What should my Yvonne’s crit rate be looking like? Like 60 with upgraded gear?
#theorycrafting
sturdy rapids
daring dove
What should my Yvonne’s crit rate be looking like? Like 60 with upgraded gear?
Which P5, an max Artificed Gloves / Off-pieces & Essences I calced it to 99.5%.
I think you can get nearly 100% at P0 still but I'm not sure if that's optimal
daring dove
For P0 it would be, for P5 I'm pretty sure it's the optimal play.
daring dove
Why do you think that? You benefit more from crit-rate with your additional potentials.
twilit quail
beacuse it's the maths
the only piece that is contention
is basic% hands
vs cr hands
daring dove
She gets ATK on P5 with potentials.
potent hornet
well anything more than 70% is overkill
daring dove
Ok well maybe show your results?
twilit quail
because it is mathematically correct
potent hornet
you reach max crit with yvonne ult after 10 stacks wich is 30%
midnight stirrup
potent hornet
you don't want to just waste her crit rate because you only get the crit dmg when you reach max stacks not crit rate
so with 11% from food you want 61%
daring dove
I'm not running around using food to be honest
potent hornet
it won't matter that much in overworld stuff
daring dove
Never have in these games
potent hornet
61% will delete anything while roaming
but for boss content that should be what you shoot for then as much dmg as you can
midnight stirrup
How much ATK does she get from P5
daring dove
Naw, I think harder end-game content won't even allow food anyway.
potent hornet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
daring dove
Only 10%.
midnight stirrup
Then why are we doubting what iana is saying
sturdy rapids
I think I’ll just stick to my 60% plus her built in. I didn’t mean to spark up such controversy
midnight stirrup
if you got no to barely any innate attack, your just critting with no base values
crit gets value from higher attack
potent hornet
i'm saying for 100% crits
midnight stirrup
100% crit is bs esp on yvonne
potent hornet
you don't need to stack every bit of crit to get it
midnight stirrup
she does a shitload of hits
u dont need 100
100 would only matter if she did one big hit
potent hornet
at the end of her ult is the only place you need it
daring dove
Then why are we doubting what iana is saying
Because I want to see assumptions that people are making behind their claims. Not just trusting "authority", I figured out 2 months before the rest of the Genshin community that Nefer was going to surpass Mavuika as the top DPS in the game using my own set of assumptions.
chilly bolt
they said slab+crit is better than double crit, but i dont know if that accounts for p5 or p0 yvonne
midnight stirrup
Because I want to see assumptions that people are making behind their claims. No...
While its a good thing that youre testing shit yourself
rich widget
midnight stirrup
and I can see where they coming from if you have no attack at all from her kit
midnight stirrup
100% crit is great, but if you only got 1 attack, that crit is still only 2 attack
daring dove
Iana is not authority, just a credible tc
Cool at most of the credible theory crafted in the Genshin community didn't have a clue about whale stuff. So before I trust someones claim when evidence points to crit scaling better with potentials. I'd like to see the math.
Trust me bro isn't math.
midnight stirrup
Cool at most of the credible theory crafted in the Genshin community didn't have...
Its not like akef cons play with gameplay to an extreme extent like hoyo does
rich widget
midnight stirrup
and im pretty sure they did the calcs for yvonne earlier last week
daring dove
Well where are they then? All I'm asking is to see them?
chilly bolt
yes they did, but again idk if that was p0 or p5 yvonne if that matters
something slab being 7% better
daring dove
Exactly.
lost void
Just wondering if asomebody already tested P5 Clannibal on Yvonne and did comparison with Wedge?
midnight stirrup
Youd have to ask iana that, im not responsible for that tc.
daring dove
With P5 CR gets better
copper walrus
bro is immune??
daring dove
So I very much doubt slab stays on-top with P5.
copper walrus
those thick fats really coming in clutch
daring dove
At at least it's going to be extremely marginal.
midnight stirrup
bro is immune??
chilly bolt
we still need a put in your setup dps calc yeah
rich widget
but guyssss
rich widget
they need to know how youre feeling today
chilly bolt
7% down to 5% with p5?
lost void
vuln = shatter isn't an interaction? even having her can do shatter damage because of lift.
I still consider shatter rxn albeit hybrid/mixed as oppose to strictly "arts" rxn.
rich widget
because we all know that asking the same question a hundred times eventually produces accurate worthwhile information to abse decisions on
tranquil burrow
How many weve had atp, 9?
this will be the 4th
daring dove
just ran over everything to check
Is this assuming food or just standard character?
twilit quail
and Im being extremely charitable here
twilit quail
assuming that +20% cdmg from p3
is applying 100% of the time
which is not the case in practice at all
no food
but the results would be same with food
daring dove
No that's fine, if we aren't assuming food then that's what I wanted to see. Any external buffs in play or just the characters base damage?
twilit quail
standard rotation with thermite active with 1 stack after 1st combo
2 stacks before ult starts
stanza before ult starts
xaihi boosts and suscept but that doesnt matter cause theyre all individual brackets
with ginseng the gap becomes bigger
almost 6%
oh also xiranite
that is active after first set of autos
daring dove
that is active after first set of autos
Guessing this line is the effective CR, as I understand it goes higher when ult is active?
twilit quail
but the xiranite boost is basically nothing
lost void
xaihi boosts and suscept but that doesnt matter cause theyre all individual brac...
Xaihi for which team comp?
twilit quail
cause she has like 300 dmg% by herself with p5 weapon
midnight stirrup
Xaihi for which team comp?
Its been about Yvonne the whole time
twilit quail
Guessing this line is the effective CR, as I understand it goes higher when ult ...
correct
because the ult is like
what
77 instances of dmg
it averages out easily
the one thing is that you might not crit the finisher
with slab
and so you will lose a bit of stability there
and if you really wanted absolute consistency it is not insane to take the extra crit kit
lost void
Guessing this line is the effective CR, as I understand it goes higher when ult ...
I still don't get the point of having sims on a "target" dummy/sitting duck. It's like conning everybody to believe that the whole entire fight the enemy is just stationary.
twilit quail
but it is worse mathematically
summer flower
vuln = shatter isn't an interaction? even having her can do shatter damage becau...
Lift argument falls so short
twilit quail
everything that takes place has to work off the basis of the best possible scenario
you approximate the best possible as well as you can in-instance
midnight stirrup
I still don't get the point of having sims on a "target" dummy/sitting duck. It'...
Its pointless to calc for mobile bosses
twilit quail
of course different things are going to be better in different situations
of course if you have different damage windows your timeline is going to change
lost void
everything that takes place has to work off the basis of the best possible scena...
But has to be indicated/stated otherwise, in most case during staggered phase.
daring dove
but it is worse mathematically
So effectively 5% DPS loss for a bit of extra consistency in your damage. I might still go doable crit then, but 5% is still a larger gap than I was expecting at P5.
twilit quail
this timeline is used because it puts every enemy in the game into stagger before ult
with minor adjustments in gearing and such
rich widget
optimizing damage calculations as if content will ever be hard enough to justify it is a good use of time
summer flower
77 instances of dmg
77? Damn that's a lot
Man, and people here were talking about issues with crit chance
I was going off thinking it was like 20
midnight stirrup
optimizing damage calculations as if content will ever be hard enough to justify...
youre in the theorycrafting channel blud
summer flower
optimizing damage calculations as if content will ever be hard enough to justify...
Usually moving bosses have same movement each build
lost void
this timeline is used because it puts every enemy in the game into stagger befor...
But the simulation is assuming from 0:00 till end of recording session, the cumulative damage output is assumed to be in a staggered phase. The thing is staggered only lasts for how many seconds?
After the staggered phase the damage output falls off as depending on boss phase/target's activity would change once again due to mobility, enemies dodging/iframing.
summer flower
Rarely build is change how much boss moves
mystic halo
If you just want everything to be vibes-based this channel is not for you
you can go to #endfield instead
midnight stirrup
This channel is becoming more obnoxious everyday
daring dove
of course if you have different damage windows your timeline is going to change
Once last question when you ran the calcs, did you leave Yvonne's chest piece the same when removing Slab for CR off-piece. Because there maybe a better chest piece option when assuming you're not using slab.
midnight stirrup
Theyre not wrong tho
daring dove
I haven't looked deeply enough into it yet though.
green acorn
it's a TC channel on an official discord, they always tend to fizzle out rather quickly 😅
midnight stirrup
Why u saying shit like that in the channel thats meant for it
summer flower
Man, who does math on stagger as whole fight?
twilit quail
it's going to be minor differences
noble tapir
When the doc said to prioritize Yvonne essence before 90/90, does that mean also fully upgrading the essence?
noble tapir
midnight stirrup
it's a TC channel on an official discord, they always tend to fizzle out rather ...
Its the lack of moderation which I dont fault opal for bc hes responsible for all the channels it seems, never seen another mod in action, that made this channel the chaos it is now
It started somewhat serious until teambuild thought this was their second home bc lack of floody chat.
rich widget
obviously some drama im not aware of, lol
drifting quest
Help and teambuild got slowmode
drifting quest
So people came here
summer flower
Doesn't help when opal doesn't indicate who they are talking to
drifting quest
And feelscraft and act hardheaded and just overall cause drama
daring dove
I'll just run it with the cr chest instead
Wouldn't running the CR chest just cause her to overcrit?
summer flower
Who was feelscrafting
daring dove
At P5.
twilit quail
very close but not quite
it's like
you can take it if you want I guess
it doesnt make much of a difference
midnight stirrup
Doesn't help when opal doesn't indicate who they are talking to
Idk bro the one it was intended for seemed to know it was for them
twilit quail
the 3rd line on the chest is very small difference
midnight stirrup
And feelscraft and act hardheaded and just overall cause drama
preach
rich widget
good mods generally dont get directly involved in situations though, they moderate from a distance, particularly since people motivated to moderate are generally kinda easily triggered
drifting quest
Opal does moderate decently
drifting quest
But 1 mod with a life as well just isnt sufficient
rich widget
getting personally involved inflates issues
midnight stirrup
what issues bro
rich widget
jus saying
mystic halo
did you know that the admins sometimes just do things for fun
midnight stirrup
there is no issue
mystic halo
like they just say shit
drifting quest
Shits and giggles
rich widget
im not exactly in the loop as to what drama goes down here lol
midnight stirrup
then why u speaking on it lmao
summer flower
In some discord servers you disagree on some topic with mod you get muted
rich widget
jus saying generally, mods who make themselves known tend to create bigger issues
summer flower
Imagine getting muted for having silly team
daring dove
it doesnt make much of a difference
You're getting 69% + 30 from ult then chest would take you to like 107? CR correct me if I'm wrong there should be a better option than CR chest piece for P5 build. Although honestly I need to do a bit more research myself I haven't built her yet so still running a bit blind.
mystic halo
you guys havent seen the shit that goes on in french category
rich widget
seen entire communities fall apart or spiral into controversy
midnight stirrup
thats just discord in general
twilit quail
You're getting 69% + 30 from ult then chest would take you to like 107? CR corre...
you take basic% yeah
drifting quest
ne jouez pas à Yvonne
rich widget
internet in general*
midnight stirrup
you guys havent seen the shit that goes on in french category
summer flower
seen entire communities fall apart or spiral into controversy
Seen people follow after me In different communities going to attack me and slander for noping out of toxic situation
daring dove
yeah this shit is ass
Yeah, we need a different chest piece which maxmised her damage for a fair assumption. Maybe the difference is a bit less than 5% then. I don't think it'll make CR build better.
But closer.
If I could read Chinese I'd be a bit more help sadly I cannot.
summer flower
End axis and i dunno which piece is which
daring dove
Anyway I think I have answered my own question with @twilit quail help. For P5 I'mma try optimise a CR path for damage consistency an try figure out best chest piece to work with that.
rich widget
how are other peopel generally building around ember btw?
twilit quail
I mean you should just take basic% on chest
and if you want a 2nd crit kit you can use it
rich widget
i think ive finally settled on ember + endministrator + arleia + perlica
drifting quest
Cr stack has always existed for consistency at the cost of damage
rich widget
ember stagger, endmin physical, arelia treatment and perlica crit
twilit quail
yvonne definitely has like
less contentious gearing than almost everyone else
it is nice in a way
drifting quest
Its what 4 or 5 optional changes and like 3 are pretty cope
signal sundial
nailed it 
midnight stirrup
Ok
chilly bolt
Big
rich widget
gj dude
signal sundial
i keep forgetting to keep my debuffs up before doing the stagger hit
and i keep forgetting to switch to perli for the stagger hit
and was foodless so lots of time save
daring dove
@twilit quail Maybe that's the play, would prefer it has a Int main stat but if it shortens your rotations you could easily gain back the lost 5%. Will need to test it once I finish building her.
neat snow
daring dove
If not it'll be this,
summer flower
Anyone knows if sundered prince stagger is additive or multiplicative with swordmancer?
rich widget
i mean, id imagine multiplicative but eh.... sometimes devs get lazy and dont label things properly i guess
summer flower
Like lack of will on swordmancer hurts sustain on ember
tranquil burrow
shit hits hard
if you use lavacake just use ult to nuke first 2 or 3 and it's ez game from there
rich widget
you dont really need sustain on ember
summer flower
I do rather survive on just ember than have second hp treatment
rich widget
i mean, you can build her as sustain/hp... but eh, i prefer to focus on her stagger
in which case ardelia becomes kinda essential
summer flower
I could check how I have built ember and go back to You
rich widget
as much as i hate the whole pink fluffy sheep theme messing with my mecha queen aesthetic
chilly bolt
if you use lavacake just use ult to nuke first 2 or 3 and it's ez game from ther...
Not just laevatin, you should always pop ults for tentacles
The core phase is free anyway
You should have ult up for 3rd phase
rich widget
i really do hope they start introducing skins, was a big thing on arknights so i cant imagine them not going that direction
tranquil burrow
2d vs very high quality 3d models
they should still do skins tho, at least with the visual quality they'd look awesome
signal sundial
if you use lavacake just use ult to nuke first 2 or 3 and it's ez game from ther...
I'm using bnnuy but I suffer from too good to use syndrome so I keep trying to save her bs when really I can still save enough spears for the marble
summer flower
Ironically I prefer not to have 4th operator as treatment source
But I do have that slot with like very little symergy
rich widget
yeah, i resisted the idea of having a dedicated treatment source to enable ember
but i wanted ember and her battleskill to be the focus of my team comp
which, being both arts damage and proccing a physical damage rpoc on top, ardelia just cant be passed on
summer flower
Ember can heal more than getting hit for with enough willpower
BS is physical dmg?
summer flower
Ohh, that hurts swordmancer
rich widget
to some extent, aye
its okay to hybridize to some extent, hence ardelia
shes the ultimate hybrid support
leaden mantle
but i wanted ember and her battleskill to be the focus of my team comp
You make a stagger build with ember?
daring dove
From my prospective Embers value will come from quickly staggering bosses, which means more time with an additional 30% damage & less time chasing a boss running around like an idiot. But it's hard to calc the value of that rn considering maybe 5-6 people of built her.
That said getting high stagger values from Ember can be quite tricky to play as I understand.
rich widget
You make a stagger build with ember?
yup, its only worthwhile with ardelia though imo
worn loom
ember looks like one of the best drivers to just hit big
i might use my selector on her over pog
stiff eagle
Ardelia with ember sounds kinda cursed, your losing a lot of value from at least one slot going to her
neat snow
P5 my ember last night 😎 will never use her
rich widget
with perlica benefitng from stagger and also providing arts damage enhancement
leaden mantle
How much intelligence does arc light need to reach the maximum threshold, for her ongoing dmg support the team? Or is there no limit?
daring dove
P5 my ember last night 😎 will never use her
I reckon she'll do pretty well with Sundred Prince as a controlled character in a PHY team. May even sneak into BiS with some favourable assumptions. But that's purely a guess from me rn. I hope I can eventually make her viable anyway. I guess you whaled on standard a bit in the end?
leaden mantle
Also do most people recommend frontiers on arc light, or can I run her with a rainbow set?
summer flower
Who knows if swordmancer is multiplicative or additive with sundered prince
summer flower
I reckon she'll do pretty well with Sundred Prince as a controlled character in ...
You reckon right
QoL and works well with chen
rich widget
I reckon she'll do pretty well with Sundred Prince as a controlled character in ...
been tempted with that myself but then i just start wondering, why would i use her battle skill over chens?
neat snow
I reckon she'll do pretty well with Sundred Prince as a controlled character in ...
Yeah unfortunately I tried for Ardelia and didn't get a single one. Got 4 ember 1 pog 1 last rite. Wasn't very lucky as it was going to pity almost each time
daring dove
Yeah unfortunately I tried for Ardelia and didn't get a single one. Got 4 ember ...
Ouch sorry to hear that. 
rich widget
and ember is all about absorbing hits with her protection boost
summer flower
been tempted with that myself but then i just start wondering, why would i use h...
QoL mostly
Ember BS -> Chen combo -> endmin combo
neat snow
Ouch sorry to hear that. <:sadcat:592137883318747146>
Got a lot of tokens and tickets though
summer flower
You can have 2 skills crush
vast granite
what is the best team to use on your phone without too many timing specific inputs or dodges to beat the current hardest content?
rich widget
but embers battle skill is arts damage
if youre workign with breach/physical susceptibiltiy its kidna wasted
unreal light
His battle skill
summer flower
That's SP cost tho
summer flower
Yea, I thought they had vunl on combo
valid zealot
Thank you hornymonster.
unreal light
Yea, I thought they had vunl on combo
Lifeng is a boy
unreal light
No you just used he for lifeng, and then changed it for some reason
summer flower
Mistake
unreal light
Mistake would be to use they on him
summer flower
Ember was growing room operator? Noo
wanton notch
@unreal light Looks like it working. Getting faster run despite not getting crits and doing few mistakes such as not using Catcher counter on jump
unreal light
<@272366988649693185> Looks like it working. Getting faster run despite not gett...
Woah glad it is working for you ❤️
wanton notch
Woah glad it is working for you ❤️
FOOD RUN OUT
and I didnt ult with Catcher for some erason. Brain lagged I guess
daring dove
Man I do nothing but sing Thermite cutters praises, an it's maybe the only weapon I'd want to have 2 copies of since it's BiS for both Pog & Akekuri... But honestly leave me alone for a bit maybe?
next helm
wtf
main nova
what if I put it in Angelina instead, Eyla seems not often enough consume corrosion right 🤔
daring dove
what if I put it in Angelina instead, Eyla seems not often enough consume corros...
Stanza on her if you have it which you should have.
Leave that on Ardelia
odd wren
Man I do nothing but sing Thermite cutters praises, an it's maybe the only weapo...
Meanwhile me 2 never rests at p5
daring dove
Meanwhile me 2 never rests at p5
main nova
Gilb doesn't even consume corrosion.
hnmm I thought a consume is the reaction 🤔
seems i mistaken
main nova
interesting
teal pawn
what if I put it in Angelina instead, Eyla seems not often enough consume corros...
She doesn't proc that skill
valid zealot
(well shatter is an reaction that consume solidification which is another reaction but that's not the case)
main nova
i thought a reaction is same as consume
daring dove
i thought a reaction is same as consume
Just give Ardelia her weapon back an stop bullying her.
main nova
i kinda have spare ofcourse
daring dove
i kinda have spare ofcourse
💀
main nova
valid zealot
Well.
daring dove
That doesn't work on Arelia either.... 
valid zealot
Surely you have stanza.
main nova
yeah but sometimes i dont lift an enemies that often
valid zealot
It's stanza.
daring dove
Anyway finally got my P5 Yvonne gear sorted.
lost void
what is the best team to use on your phone without too many timing specific inpu...
solo parry play by defenders.
flint granite
soo uh, wedge p5 is slightly better than p0 artzy right ?
like
really slightly ?
valid zealot
.yvonne
valid zealot
fym thanks I haven't even sent it
flint granite
lmao
lost void
i thought a reaction is same as consume
Depends unless stated otherwise.
- if forced = automatically inflicts the said rxn even w/o the prerequisite.
- normally every even nth action becomes rxn
daring dove
really slightly ?
Even if it is if you have both just use sig it matches her give Wedge Fluorite in my opinion. That said if you're looking to save pulling for sig an already have P5 Wedge I'd stick with that.
flint granite
Even if it is if you have both just use sig it matches her give Wedge Fluorite i...
aight thats good to hear
main nova
Depends unless stated otherwise.
- if forced = automatically inflicts the said ...
yeah Im quite confuse on how consume and reaction is work
valid zealot
x infliction + y infliction = reaction of y.
lost void
yeah Im quite confuse on how consume and reaction is work
both for arts & physical
odd phys = vuln, odd arts = x infliction
even phys = lift or kd,
even arts = two different element = arts rxn
even arts = same element = elemental burst
if same type infliction, can stack up to 4x
special case interaction:
shatter = must have solidification first then apply vuln producing status
valid zealot
In Arde case she consumes corrosion (which is nature reaction) because she can.
Hence starry works.
signal sundial
arclight consumes an electrification (which is electric reaction) because she can as well
valid zealot
And she force applies corrosion with comb skill.
peak void
for anyone wants it, here
exp per promotion (days farming exp from alluvium)
1-20: 23k (~2 days)
20-40: 243.6k (25 days)
40-60: 475.8k (48 days)
total: 75 days
@unreal light i remember u asking for specific numbers a few days ago, so here
unreal light
<@272366988649693185> i remember u asking for specific numbers a few days ago, s...
Ahhh yes, thank you Qyurii
lost void
forced is another unique case as it bypass the ordinary prerequisite for have art infliction + arts infliction of another type.
Depending on skill, it will state if it is consumed or not.
I have a feeling shatter is the preliminary version of consume arts rxn as there can be:
electrifaction to vuln = let's call it OVERLOAD
combustion to vuln = let's call it IGNITE
corrosion to vuln = let's call it DISINTIGRATE
pulsar sail
how much more optimized do you think Alluvium this Allivium site can be made?
There are two more sentry turrets in the corners, used all the turret capacity in science part.
i was thinking of laser turrets but the lower range makes it that i have to keep the enemies boxed in more.
peak void
how much more optimized do you think Alluvium this Allivium site can be made?
Th...
teslas are really good for this particular alluvium
can compress to use less pylons and let turrets reach more
can also make this afk compatible with thermal banks
main nova
both for arts & physical
odd phys = vuln, odd arts = x infliction
even phys = li...
im thinking like using laev to apply heat then use gil to consume the art infliction to make corossion, isnt that means my gil actually did consume?
valid zealot
No.
turbid elm
In phys team is it worth to breach with 4 stacks instead of 3? Cause that one extra makes difficult for 4 stacks before breach goes off for crush
main nova
or am i mistaken the concept?
peak void
breach 4 is very worth, higher debuff multiplier and time
pulsar sail
teslas are really good for this particular alluvium
can compress to use less pyl...
can you elaborate on the thermal banks part, like using them as walls?
peak void
can you elaborate on the thermal banks part, like using them as walls?
yes just box yourself in and go there after starting
main nova
so i have to use her skill twice?
peak void
can put medical tower too if u dont wanna burn meds too much
pulsar sail
damn thats evil.
lost void
im thinking like using laev to apply heat then use gil to consume the art inflic...
yes since it "consumes" pre existing infliction. Ideally you trigger arts rxn every 2nd consecutive action thar produces infliction.
main nova
yes since it "consumes" pre existing infliction. Ideally you trigger arts rxn ev...
Vit said no, now im confused again
valid zealot
lost void
<:PerliStareYou:1171270704310792332> Vit said no, now im confused again
read tool in-game tooltip and tutorial.
There is special case which is FORCED RXN
You will not produce arts rxn if your team is mono element unless one is hyrbid such as the case of Yvonne, Antal, Fluorite and shatter units such as Endmin, Alesh & Estella.
main nova
pulsar sail
yes just box yourself in and go there after starting
just tried to use thermal banks as walls, enemies walked through them, do you need to go a distance away?
peak void
its meant to box you in, not protect you from enemy
enemy will still phase through
whats important is you dont
peak void
standing a distance away is pointless since that means youre away from your turret setup
peak void
be the bait your turrets desperately need
signal sundial
yo you cant just post nsfw in here like that man
latent glacier
signal sundial
also
im stuck on marble mummy's bgm because i quit out of it so many times i think the bgm is bugged
paper sand
how much of endmin's damage comes from skill (non-crush) damage? seeing if i should be m3ing any of his skills at all
pulsar sail
I just stand on top of the billboard and wait for the turrets to finish them, i can jump on top of it be placing a zipline in the grass area.
lost void
so i have to use her skill twice?
if you want to trigger his/her element's arts burst and she is the only one on the team with that element otherwise use a second member of the group to increase the stack using BS/CS/ult that can provide the said arts infliction
OTHERWISE
simply use a different element to prodoce the arts rxn (aka solidify, combustion,corrosion,electrification) or forced rxn
main nova
im thinking like heat+nature = corosition mean Gil consume both the heat and nature so she will trigger the Ardel sign weapon
lost void
how much of endmin's damage comes from skill (non-crush) damage? seeing if i sho...
FA = 900% to newly staggered enemy from BA
for CS & ult check skill description along with CS-ult interaction/consmuption
lost void
im thinking like heat+nature = corosition mean Gil consume both the heat and nat...
as long as the even action applicator of infliction comes from nature damage it will produce corrosion.
Again your only choice or sources are Ardelia, Gilberta, Fluorite
paper sand
FA = 900% to newly staggered enemy from BA
for CS & ult check skill description...
oh i mean like what % of endmin's total damage comes from skill (cs/bs/ult) multipliers and not crush procs
lost void
oh i mean like what % of endmin's total damage comes from skill (cs/bs/ult) mult...
Is he your main or secondary dps and are there other phy damager he is competing with like Ch'en or Da Pan?
paper sand
contolling ember, other teammates are chen lifeng endmin, and all of them are pretty built
lost void
contolling ember, other teammates are chen lifeng endmin, and all of them are pr...
Bulk of his damage should come from CS+Ult particularly with well laid out burst window from lined up buffs/debuffs.
paper sand
aah alright, thank you
summer flower
We have only one claimed % DMG source readily available
lost void
Base from the skill description and details
summer flower
Sheet doesn't have even ember in physical builds I think
Crystal break should be counted as combo skill DMG imo
lost void
Crystal break should be counted as combo skill DMG imo
It is as stated on CS
gaunt mason
aah alright, thank you
with a perfect 4/3/4 crush should be around 40% of endmin's damage iirc
but that's with pog lifeng chen
gaunt mason
that's assuming sm + aether gloves
idk about your team but it should be lower than 40%
summer flower
Question was asking about portion that is NOT crush
gaunt mason
then just subtract it from 100% lmfao
depends where you use the link, idk what rotation you're doing with ember
summer flower
Ember is combo skill + alternative combo starter
Sadly only spreadsheet pinned doesn't have ember fit to any of proposed physical teams
unreal light
It feels as if ember not clunky only against flamethrowers or something
unreal light
?
Well she requires taking a hit, and when you take a hit from a boss, you’re getting thrown away, which is damage loss
The only moment when you are not thrown away, is when you’re getting hit by flamethrowers
daring dove
Surprised it only took a day to take her all the way to 80 with her weapon. Guess I still had a few resources saved. Going to take another week or so to get her anything like finished though.
valid zealot
You can use your bs on attacks.
summer flower
Isn't play to use this
unreal light
Ahh that would require me to autoattack on ember
valid zealot
On enemies' attacks.
bold rose
Yvonne actually want Gilb to use bskill unlike Laev or LR right?
summer flower
The only moment when you are not thrown away, is when you’re getting hit by flam...
Pretty sure it's not only moment
Huge AoE has first dmg before nuke that if I remember correctly doesn't push you away
Rhogodan has few basic attacks and ranged as well which don't do it
gritty briar
the firebombs that he launches into the sky that create fire puddles don't do knockback
summer flower
And sundered prince which is good on ember wants you to be controlling them
Some attacks have minimal operator stagger
gritty briar
kinda weird to see a big ball of fire land on me and do nothing
summer flower
Fuel so probably less density than water
signal sundial
daring dove
Devs know what they're doing though making you pull all 3 limited characters if you want the best operators for each outpost.
summer flower
I'm close to hard pity on yvonne
And I wanna her for jumping
Not for damage or build
signal sundial
Devs know what they're doing though making you pull all 3 limited characters if ...
oh shit ive been using lizard man ever since the game started
signal sundial
fwiw the first line isnt so relevant when your outposts are maxed
gritty briar
yvonne is saving me from having to swap chen in and out on the outpost
cause chen only buffs the outpost stock regen but not the trades so i kept swapping for trades
gaunt mason
it's a lot less than i thought it would be
ok i just did some quick calcs
with your team crush should be around 30% with (assuming p0 gv / fully artificed swordmancer + aether gloves / m3 skills / link ult -> crush / ember is the one doing finishers)
someone correct me if i'm wrong my sheets are messed up on mobile. all i can say is wow the damage is so ass without pog
daring dove
And I wanna her for jumping
I wanted her mostly so I could banish all the male operators to the hallways on Dijiang.
paper sand
with a perfect 4/3/4 crush should be around 40% of endmin's damage iirc
what does 4/3/4 mean?
gaunt mason
what does 4/3/4 mean?
breach/crush/crush, the rotation you'd do with pog
paper sand
oooh, thank you
gaunt mason
oooh, thank you
it'd be helpful if you could tell me the rotation you're doing with that team
i've only played ember a few times and all of them were with pog 
paper sand
it's kinda mindless lol, spam lifeng -> chen cs -> crush when 4 stacks, ember is just there for the staggers, survivability, and the occasional extra vuln stack whenever i get hit
chilly bolt
question how does enemy weight stat work, like you can lift weight 1 but not 2, what about 1.2 or 1.5 weight
signal sundial
say
if sur2r can have a stack counter for her flames and what not
why cant avyw get a stack counter for spears out
chilly bolt
6* privilege
signal sundial
paper sand
it's kinda mindless lol, spam lifeng -> chen cs -> crush when 4 stacks, ember is...
@gaunt mason
valid zealot
question how does enemy weight stat work, like you can lift weight 1 but not 2, ...
Less effective.
paper sand
also chen ult when the enemy is staggered, lifeng ult whenever i have link, yadda yadda
valid zealot
As for actual lift time.
paper sand
it's far from the kind of gameplay youd see trimming medals
gaunt mason
also chen ult when the enemy is staggered, lifeng ult whenever i have link, yadd...
bit hard to calculate for isn't it 😭
chilly bolt
As for actual lift time.
you mean airborne time? is there numbers for each weight
valid zealot
Idk.
paper sand
bit hard to calculate for isn't it 😭
ohh it was for calcs, nah i was just curious about endmin's crush dmg ratio cause ive seen videos of them doing like 200k crushes meanwhile mine can deal like, 70k usually, 100k on a good day and wonder how they can trim the re crisis medals so easily
gaunt mason
ohh it was for calcs, nah i was just curious about endmin's crush dmg ratio caus...
it all depends on your rotation for the ratio
the damage itself is easy to calculate
rare zodiac
bit hard to calculate for isn't it 😭
it's literally random bullshit go with some consideration
paper sand
it's literally random bullshit go with some consideration <:PerliWheeze:11712726...
yeah LOL
gaunt mason
i mean i can make assumptions
but there's no way of verifying the accuracy if you change it every single time
rare zodiac
the enemies will not beable to predict my move if i myself doesn't know ahh move
gaunt mason
ok now that i think about it 30% isn't very plausible i'm too pog brained
paper sand
am i mostly supposed to use lifeng bs only when chen's cs is ready
4/3/4 is a hell of a lot of vuln to generate within 2 mins
paper sand
yea just tried it with pog instead of ember
gaunt mason
you had pog this whole time?????
paper sand
paper sand
listen i get pog's breach is good but the free vuln from ember is so good and i dont have to generate that many vuln stacks in everyday gameplay LOL
also i dont have chen pot5 so im kind of dooming the rotation
paper sand
smiles
faint fiber
In the guide what does P3 mean?
faint fiber
Ah so getting the character 3 times?
valid zealot
4
valid zealot
Like?
chilly bolt
like, bosses are 2
that's easy
but elites
some are 2, some are 1.5, some 1.2 and even some are 1
valid zealot
Low are phys shill.
chilly bolt
valid zealot
Check their res.
faint fiber
What does "sig" mean?
chilly bolt
what res
chilly bolt
What does "sig" mean?
signature weapon
valid zealot
resistance.
chilly bolt
what does res have to do with weight
valid zealot
Low are phys shill.
.
paper sand
honestly im in a cruel loop of build phys -> too braindead for phys -> build lae team -> don't like her playstyle -> build phys
chilly bolt
ok seems like it's not the case
valid zealot
chilly bolt
balista guy is 1.5 weight
0 res (x1 res)
the ramming aggeloi is 1.5 weight
0.8 phys res
vestal owl
gritty briar
isn't it just
if they look heavier, they're heavier?
like arknights (except bosses)
chilly bolt
isn't it just
if they look heavier, they're heavier?
that's not true either
this dude is 1 weight
gaunt mason
honestly im in a cruel loop of build phys -> too braindead for phys -> build lae...
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1PdFJz2E8o?vd_source=b5468b0e59ceca41b73c35b02156deeb
this is the video the rotation in the sheet is based on i'm pretty sure, seeing it might help
chilly bolt
this skinny goofy dude
gritty briar
the frogs are essentially air
chilly bolt
is 1.5 weight
modest thorn
Staff is probably 300 kg
modest thorn
Walking cornflake
gritty briar
they're very lightweight rocks
proper walrus
if they release a nature dps will gilberta have more value for them?
valid zealot
Who else are elite low weight.
rare zodiac
if they release a nature dps will gilberta have more value for them?
depend
chilly bolt
Who else are elite low weight.
so far it's the siegeknuckle and the quillbeast
modest thorn
Not really I think cause she doesn’t really care about nature asides from her battle skill (never used) and you can’t use stanza
faint fiber
Where does that ATK Bonus come from? The flat bonus
gritty briar
quillbeast kinda makes sense cause it jumps around. it's actually just lightweight
modest thorn
Unless the new nature team has a lot of lifts
valid zealot
Rhodagn mom
Thanks hornymonster I know you're down for something like these.
rare zodiac
Where does that ATK Bonus come from? The flat bonus
atk% from weapon and passive
faint fiber
atk% from weapon and passive
But the weapons says is does 459atk how does that work, they only get a % of their weapon?
pure spoke
this fat fuck
thats dodogama
unreal light
Thanks hornymonster I know you're down for something like these.
I ain’t beating the alligators huh
rare zodiac
But the weapons says is does 459atk how does that work, they only get a % of the...
base atk = char base atk + wep base atk, the atk bonus come from atk% from passive or wep passive boost
rich linden
if they release a nature dps will gilberta have more value for them?
Very likely yes
summer flower
you'd think this is for sure 2 weight
So do they get lifted?
gaunt mason
So do they get lifted?
no
summer flower
Thanks
Once there was question what happens when it's 1.5 weight
Cause it was known that 2 doesn't get lifted
gaunt mason
Disrupted but not visually lifted.
bit hard to tell on mobile but i don’t think it’s getting disrupted
valid zealot
Disrupted not visually lifted.
daring dove
What's the max ATK for LR 5600? Just want to see how much more progress I need to make. 
near lily
for P5 Yvonne which is the best gear loadout? 😮
daring dove
for P5 Yvonne which is the best gear loadout? 😮
Personally after much discussion I come to the conclusion this for rn.
Gives you 99% CR, so very consistent.
summer flower
What's the max ATK for LR 5600? Just want to see how much more progress I need t...
Max attack is unoptimal probably, and might involve purple gear
near lily
Personally after much discussion I come to the conclusion this for rn.
the ultimate gain feels very comfortable yeah
daring dove
An should shorten your rotations times a bit because of the extra ult gain.
near lily
is that a crit glove?
daring dove
Yeah
daring dove
you get 30 from ultimate with 10 stacks, you get 19.5 from weapon you get 7 from P2 the rest is gear artificing.
near lily
30 from ultimate that is
daring dove
Well an I suppose the 3 piece from set effect as well.
near lily
Crit DMG?
near lily
im also thinking.. which one is the most efficient haha before i start artificing
daring dove
im also thinking.. which one is the most efficient haha before i start artificin...
So after speaking an debating about this earlier, we came to the conclusion (completely ignoring ult gain) slab was 5% more damage. But less consistent damage (IE you can miss the end of your nuke crit).
However with the ult gain chest you should be able to shorten your rotation ideally with optimal play.
An gain back most of the 5% DPS loss while also maintaining the consistency.
hasty grail
Thats ult gain poncho?
daring dove
Yeah
twilit quail
the ult gain chest doesnt do anything for you
with p1 it is like
completely useless
opens nothing meaningful
hasty grail
Doesn't tidefall match her stats better
daring dove
opens nothing meaningful
I doubt the testing as been fully done on that to be honest.
near lily
but wouldn't the basic atk % glove peform well too?
twilit quail
it has
drifting quest
p1 has a (bad) rotation with er but its a redeemer seal one
twilit quail
drifting quest
and its also
near lily
i mean 99% crit rate is nice
drifting quest
a dps loss
twilit quail
it's just
drifting quest
lmao
twilit quail
all massive losses
near lily
but abit overkill?
twilit quail
everywhere
daring dove
<:ICANT:1462962578602070026>
Who has done the P5 testing to show that you aren't at least needing 1 less inflicting stack in some scanarios? But I guess P4 isn't energy gain like most operators.
twilit quail
you cant get 30 more energy out of nowhere
so it doesnt make any difference
you open up nothing
frigid vector
the ult gain chest doesnt do anything for you
at p0 it enables 4/2/2 rotations, but it's worse than 4/3/2 with ult gain alesh
daring dove
but abit overkill?
He's talking about 5% like it's a massive loss don't page too much attention.
daring dove
Dude's got sheet brain.
frigid vector
at p1 it's worthless
frigid vector
but that's the same for redeemer's
daring dove
but ult gain chest is like
So which chest is best then?
twilit quail
basic%
like I told you to run like 5 times
we have known this like
for more than 3 weeks
daring dove
like I told you to run like 5 times
Dude you where talking about CR chest earlier.
twilit quail
drifting quest
it has cope angle for people who are giga unlucky
next helm
How much do arts bursts hit?
drifting quest
depends
twilit quail
I also assumed that cr chest had same stats as basic% but it doesnt
it has wil
so the losses are going to be bigger
drifting quest
new crit set in 1.1
frigid vector
aye cr chest not really worth the swap it's the same issue as gloves
drifting quest
surely not
twilit quail
abuse(deal lower expected damage)
frigid vector
wait is this for p5 yvonne?
near lily
yeah we talking about p5 yvonne
frigid vector
I mean she gets
crit rate on p2 which makes up for it anyways
and is more consistent no?
daring dove
+30% cdmg
Like I said earlier it's 5% DPS loss for more consistency if you go CR off-piece.
frigid vector
any ult gain on p1+ yvonne is pointless
like I'm not sure there are even niche cases for it
daring dove
Pick your poison.
leaden mantle
Does arc light provide better buffs to the electric dps, with the obj + frontiers? Like she’s mainly used as a sub dps right? Or is she not worth building if I already am using akekuri?
drifting quest
7 more cr
frigid vector
potentially the 4/1/1 rotation since p5 legit kills in 1 ult
but you'd be killing faster in current umbral by not even using ult
and just speeding through to stagger and killing with a finisher
near lily
Like I said earlier it's 5% DPS loss for more consistency if you go CR off-piece...
i meant the chest haha
Basic % or Ult gain
frigid vector
and re crisis can start with max ult
you'd always run basic %
unless you have a niche team or use case
drifting quest
like I'm not sure there are even niche cases for it
the argument would be like long fight with waves of trash but then elites every couple waves and you only have yvonne and cant run a real unit so you need to line up ult with the elites every time
frigid vector
that'd demand the ult gain
drifting quest
frigid vector
would the ult grain from chest be enough?
wouldn't it need redeemers
I guess at p1+
drifting quest
its a disneyland scenario
frigid vector
still insanely niche scenario that we don't really have
drifting quest
good for you
hasty grail
P1 with ult gloves enables 2 inflictions 2 skills 2 cs with gilberta on team or am I messing up something
rich linden
good for you
Why do i sense salt behind this
frigid vector
wait, 2 inflictions?
frigid vector
30+30+10+10 = 80 (Battle Skill gains from Solidification & Infliction)
6.5 x 2 = 13 (SP)
35 x 2 = 70 (Combo Skill with P1 Bonus)
= 163
hasty grail
Yeah I have a video with I think 222 if you want to review it but idk the math if there was external factors or I just missed something
frigid vector
so that'd need uh
daring dove
Why do i sense salt behind this
Pretty much everyone here is recommending Ult gain Laevatain outside of P0/P0 builds, then it's kind of debatable between ult gain or Hot works.
humble matrix
Last Rite damage split on Prydwen shows Battle skill as a higher percentage than Basic attack - is that accurate? Especially post upgrades
frigid vector
35% ult gain rate
to hit 220
but I suppose teammate skills would factor in
so would need to see how many are used in the rotation
rich linden
i have the same build
How much atk :B
frigid vector
Last Rite damage split on Prydwen shows Battle skill as a higher percentage than...
is it not the other way around
shell sonnet
So this is where the cool people hang. I saw someone posted a screen shot of a database earlier. Is their a file for any official number calculations pulled from the game?
frigid vector
rich linden
Pretty much everyone here is recommending Ult gain Laevatain outside of P0/P0 bu...
I have a p1/p0 laeva
frigid vector
humble matrix
is it not the other way around
Reason I'm asking. It potentially could be
frigid vector
no as in
rich linden
Initially i made a hot works, and now im working on an ult gain set
frigid vector
the site says battle skill is doing less than basic
humble matrix
Oh wait, it is. I flipped it. Is that accurate?
rich linden
Well set is a strong word
frigid vector
last rite's battle skill isn't particularly strong, even snowshine's has a higher MV%
if anything I'm surprised it's this high
humble matrix
Yeah that's what I was thinking
frigid vector
what I'm saying is that your observation seems to be flipped
hasty grail
so would need to see how many are used in the rotation
2 Yvonne skills, 2cs, and 3 teammate skills before ult was back up
frigid vector
from the screenshots I posted, prydwen is saying that basic attacks deal more damage than battle skills
humble matrix
The only consideration is BS will always proc, and BA might not always hit all hits
hasty grail
With some refunded sp
frigid vector
Last Rite damage split on Prydwen shows Battle skill as a higher percentage than...
so your statement that it says battle skills is doing more than basic attacks doesn't seem to line up
or can you share screenshots of where it says/shows the split that you spotted
frigid vector
2 Yvonne skills, 2cs, and 3 teammate skills before ult was back up
this would work yeah
humble matrix
so your statement that it says battle skills is doing more than basic attacks do...
Yeah, I accidentally flipped it. I saw wrong. But the question still remains to confirm
frigid vector
I mean realistically it depends on the rotation, if you're speedrunning recrisis and sitting on xaihi as the controlled operator basics will do very little
if you're doing an extended rotation where you sit on last rite constantly ani cancelling b2s and looping final strikes I'd wager it'd do more
humble matrix
Yeah, nah it's with LR as controlled
I think BA will probably edge out
Only consideration probabky like I said all BA's not always hitting
daring dove
Does the basic attack bonus impact Yvonne's ultimate barrage? That or are people mostly just recommending it for the main / sub stat match?
daring dove
Ah that makes a bit more sense then.
chilly bolt
yes yvonne is ult > basic > battle > combo
frigid vector
I think BA will probably edge out
BA should always do more damage if you're looping basics
even with an ani cancelled B2
a rank 12/M3 basic attack has a total MV of 486%
each of her battle skills has an MV of 320%
even just a B3+B4 does more damage than her entire battle skill
humble matrix
I'm debating maxing LR BA or Xaihi BS. It's something, but possibly negligible at +2% (Xaihi Ult is maxed already). Thinking probably more gain from LR BA
frigid vector
so unless there are all skill DMG % modifiers that aren't applying to basic attack
tranquil burrow
Why does Laev's basic attack enhancement from ult behave differently. That one seems to have exclusive multipliers tied to her ult.
I mean compared to leveling up her basic attack
frigid vector
it still scales with basic attack damage
tranquil burrow
skill
tranquil burrow
So m3 on her basic attack skill is actually good?
frigid vector
you won't do more damage in her ult if you level her basics
tranquil burrow
So m3 on her basic attack skill is actually good?
i mean on laev
gritty briar
my understanding is it scales with basic attack buffs but doesn't scale with basic masteries
frigid vector
no, it's the same for laev, her basic attack level is just her basic attack
as Json says
tranquil burrow
you won't do more damage in her ult if you level her basics
i see
drifting quest
isnt yvonne mults split between basic and ult
ult has a multiplier to buff them
and the extra big hits
tranquil burrow
my understanding is it scales with basic attack buffs but doesn't scale with bas...
that makes sense but what confused me was people's emphasis on m3ing her basic attack skill too so was wondering
frigid vector
ult has a multiplier to buff them
it shouldn't be, as it has a unique BATK DMG multiplier and powered/additional ATK multipliers on it
daring dove
you won't do more damage in her ult if you level her basics
If she could do the ultimate damage normal attacks outside of her ultimate she'd be the best character in the game by a mile. But yeah definitely its own unique multiplier for normals during ult.
frigid vector
BATK DMG should be the regular shots (which are the 3/8/64 split), Powered ATK should be the Final Strike and Additional ATK is the solidification consumption
frigid vector
yes
frigid vector
she does 75 hits of 20%
then 1 hit of 300%
and if solidification is consumed, a 600% bonus tick
humble matrix
I'm debating maxing LR BA or Xaihi BS. It's something, but possibly negligible a...
@frigid vector ^ What do you reckon? LR BA is probably greater, right?
frigid vector
so 2400% total
chilly bolt
<@94749302080942080> ^ What do you reckon? LR BA is probably greater, right?
i have xaihi bs M3 and ult M3 here
summer flower
Each shot 20% attack?
frigid vector
<@94749302080942080> ^ What do you reckon? LR BA is probably greater, right?
I mean it'd depend on the fight
summer flower
Just 20% ?
frigid vector
like if you're doing re-crisis speedruns
daring dove
so 2400% total
I hate the way her damage counts up during her ultimate to be honest. Makes it look like she's doing a massive amount of damage. When really it's no different than a few hits from LR's ult.
frigid vector
the % amp is going to be better
summer flower
Doesn't sound right
frigid vector
Doesn't sound right
I mean there are 75 of them
chilly bolt
it is indeed 20%
summer flower
Ohh
humble matrix
i have xaihi bs M3 and ult M3 here
Yeah, I'm debating LR BA m3 Vs Xaihi BS
frigid vector
that's 1500% in dmg multi
humble matrix
the % amp is going to be better
You think so? +2% amp would edge out m3 LR BA dmg% increase? 3 levels is pretty sizeable, no?
chilly bolt
Yeah, I'm debating LR BA m3 Vs Xaihi BS
this is my best run, LR M12, xahi M6, ardelia M3, max artificed on LR, no food
frigid vector
You think so? +2% amp would edge out m3 LR BA dmg% increase? 3 levels is pretty...
honestly would need to sheet and spot the difference on a given rotation
like if you're trying to 1 shot rhodagn
all of your damage is on combo/ult
you get 3/4 basics and kill
if you're biding your time on ballista and axe
and having to work through multiple phases
I can see BATK being more consistent
humble matrix
We don't have to consider specific niche conditions. Just overall general gain is easier to assess and value
frigid vector
think about it like this
summer flower
Simple to test on building phase
frigid vector
BATK from rank 9 to M3 is around a 17% increase
summer flower
Just upgrade basics
frigid vector
if BATK is 20% of your total dmg output
summer flower
And see if ult DMG chnages
frigid vector
that'd be what, 3.4%? in a buff
summer flower
Ohh different topic nvm
daring dove
Anyone got a recommended video for learning LR's combo with this team? I think I have finally progressed it enough to be worth trying.
frigid vector
so napkin math:
- you do 100 damage
- 20% of that damage is BATK
- you get a x1.17 increase to it, so now you do 103.4 damage
vs - a 2% amp increase (that may be diluted) applied to pretty much everything you do
- x1.02 means you do 102 damage
realistically it's a lot more complicated
arts amp is already diluted by the 13% that comes before it
so it isn't quite a 2% increase
at the same time BATK is a multiplier change so it would be direct
but realistically most of the damage you do is going to come from combo/ults as that's when you have buffs stacked
and stagger
etc.
humble matrix
Gear also dilutes it a ton
frigid vector
so any increase to your combo/ult damage will almost always end up being much higher than if you look at it in isolation
gear has no amp increase
that's a different multiplier
humble matrix
Cryo% separate entirely?
humble matrix
Xaihi might edge out then
chilly bolt
Anyone got a recommended video for learning LR's combo with this team? I think I...
i think there's one on yt
chilly bolt
@daring dovehttps://youtu.be/C8TmtMb-bJM?si=_vO1Ldokn3MQ7Vvd
humble matrix
Yeah, but it's not going over 100
frigid vector
it would be diluted for her ult, which does matter for burst scenarios while its up
humble matrix
So it's fully "effective" before diminishing value
frigid vector
not necessarily, every point before it dilutes it
daring dove
<@162631857278681088>https://youtu.be/C8TmtMb-bJM?si=_vO1Ldokn3MQ7Vvd
Cheers I'll give it ago, I kinda feel the team is getting strong enough that it won't feel half built now.
chilly bolt
wait that's ardelia + gil
frigid vector
it's not that it's diminished, it's that it's less of a proportionate increase than it was from the point before
gritty briar
Yeah, but it's not going over 100
the gacha community loves making arbitrary breakpoints like this when in reality it's just a gradual decrease in effectiveness all the way
frigid vector
it doesn't matter if it's 1, 100 or 1000
it's all one on top of a previous increase
as json says
humble matrix
That's true
chilly bolt
this one is perlica gil but i havent watched this idk if it's optimal@daring dove lol
https://youtu.be/x7nZNB94OEc?si=1zCZXz7VBG4KGbRi
chilly bolt
the gacha community loves making arbitrary breakpoints like this when in reality...
me when someone mentions diminishing returns
humble matrix
I think the gains for both options are likely so close, we have to consider specific situations
I'm going Xaihi
Good talk, sir 🫡
frigid vector
Wtf are arts burst numbers
assuming level 90 I think it was 233%
next helm
Where is this written?
humble matrix
the gacha community loves making arbitrary breakpoints like this when in reality...
It is, but my mind forgot that the max increases are inherently so low. It's like my mind had an innate lens of 200+ values, from being so used to it
chilly bolt
Well iirc only xaihi and antal have amp
outer ermine
frigid vector
Where is this written?
think BJ's doc has it trying to find the page, but also prydwen and the dmg doc
next helm
So it is the same across the board
frigid vector
if you're asking whether or not how many inflictions changes the burst dmg
it does not
next helm
Kinda weird coming from genshin 
frigid vector
level coefficient however does
chilly bolt
https://www.prydwen.gg/arknights-endfield/guides/elements-and-reactions
The modifier is for the applier right?
Uh like
frigid vector
level modifier? yes, same for arts intensity
if you apply electric infliction with a 0 arts intensity antal
then arts burst on that stack with a 100000000 arts intensity perlica
you're gonna get the perlica big dmg
next helm
yeah the reactions have individual numbers
frigid vector
if you apply electrification with arclight and land an attack with perlica
next helm
but bursts don't
frigid vector
the electrification will scale off arclight's arts intensity
daring dove
this one is perlica gil but i havent watched this idk if it's optimal<@162631857...
Getting used to doing her skill right before her final attack is something I didn't think I'd struggle with.
frigid vector
but if if you apply electrification with perlica and attack with arclight then it will use perlica's etc
chilly bolt
Lets say i use lr bs and then swap to xaihi for the fs, then does the dmg i get is 233% of xaihi or lr
daring dove
But I'll get it eventually I guess
frigid vector
but bursts don't
aye
frigid vector
Lets say i use lr bs and then swap to xaihi for the fs, then does the dmg i get ...
that's a good question actually, it's LR specific
LR's battle skill scales with her, as she's the one that casts it
humble matrix
If you haven't submitted the new survey yet, consider suggesting a training dummy mode with numbers and graphs 🙏
frigid vector
all the controlled operator is doing is triggering it
so I'd assume it to be LR scaling
but you'd need to test to be sure
gritty briar
If you haven't submitted the new survey yet, consider suggesting a training dumm...
they would never take away rhodagn's job!
frigid vector
I am oh so tired of restarting rho to lab stuff
it is quite convenient how much of a punching bag he is though lol
chilly bolt
but you'd need to test to be sure
From experience i can tell it's probably LR too, the arts burst was way too big for xaihi, cuz sometimes i swap to xaihi and i was confused where did she get those dmg from
cinder oxide
I want them to autofill ult for the domains bro
I hate having to refarm them at the Hub affluvium
humble matrix
they would never take away rhodagn's job!
He's the closest we have, but it's impossibly tedious, requiring recording and review or god damn hawkeyes noticing every damage difference
gritty briar
devs will look at the stats for how many rhodagn fights get started without being finished and wonder if he's the hardest enemy in the game
proper walrus
former finery or finishing call on ember?
chilly bolt
Getting used to doing her skill right before her final attack is something I did...
The thing is using gil you cant buff lr combo which is a big dmg loss, however she does give more amp than Ardelia so it evens out, but i still think Ardelia is slightly better in general tho
humble matrix
devs will look at the stats for how many rhodagn fights get started without bein...
Another good suggestion - Ult refills
But then Rhodagn really will be homeless 😫
next helm
Waiting for the eventual necrosis(aether?) characters where we keep up debuffs 
humble matrix
So maybe not
daring dove
The thing is using gil you cant buff lr combo which is a big dmg loss, however s...
I'll give them both a try in a bit, I did managed a 400k hit wikth LR so I think I'm starting to get my head around it.
chilly bolt
Patriot when he sees rhodagn: first time?
chilly bolt
I'll give them both a try in a bit, I did managed a 400k hit wikth LR so I think...
I got like 420k on the final hit with the classic lr team, p0 p0
daring dove
Patriot when he sees rhodagn: first time?
One thing I am a bit unsure on is how I trigger this buff on Xaihi.
summer flower
Do we have confirmation of aether?
daring dove
they need to already have cold on them
So it's just a case of using her combo skill while he has an ice stack?
summer flower
Could be legacy from old game
Ohh wait nvm it's in tooltip
That wouldn't be legacy
I seen it in tooltip once
humble matrix
Is there a suggestion channel? Feedback isn't exactly that
gritty briar
Do we have confirmation of aether?
of aether characters? idk
of aether damage? yeah we take aether from poison mist
that poison umbral stage will deal purple numbers to you
humble matrix
DoT soupsoup incoming (Not leak, just rambling)
chilly bolt
The gas mk2 turret
neon knot
does anyone know the math on POG for ult efficiency gain and breakpoints to keep it up 100% of the time?
potent hornet
So it's just a case of using her combo skill while he has an ice stack?
have a cryo stack from LR skill
xaihi bs will trigger after the 2nd final strike
which will cause an arts burst if the mob has cryo active
her combo skill would cause another arts burst if the target has a stack of cryo already
daring dove
her combo skill would cause another arts burst if the target has a stack of cryo...
Testing it all now
Thanks
wind nebula
does anyone know the math on POG for ult efficiency gain and breakpoints to keep...
I keep trying to answer this question with the reasoning behind why you don't see this information around already.
basically it's highly variable based on rotation and enemy stagger timing (More accurately about the SP cost of your outgoing vuln stacks, how many of those are inducing statuses and where pog's combo is landing in the rotation). Also content right now doesn't really challenge teams at calc sheet levels of power, so things die before they have much of a chance to "keep his ult up all the time"
neon knot
I keep trying to answer this question with the reasoning behind why you don't se...
I kind of just run him at max ult efficiency gain cause i just like seeing his huge shield guards show up and smack things to death so 🤷
vibe-crafting it is
wind nebula
yeah. just remove pieces and see what feels right if you're tuning a specific fight. if you aren't doing that sort of thing then those breakpoints don't really matter
neon knot
I mean this ult is so overloaded with buffs and stagger damage... you'd imagine that every TC would see this and say "yeah spam the fk out of this ult to increase team dps output", but instead i see a lot of people building Pog for personal damage so 🤷
wind nebula
I mean this ult is so overloaded with buffs and stagger damage... you'd imagine ...
it serves as a vehicle for lining your teams burst up with stagger. so once the enemy is staggered they kinda dgaf about it.
that's my interpretation of it anyway