theorycrafting

[summer flicker]

so if not near, then its rng

[rare rover]

30 pulls gets u a free 10 and once u hit like 60 or 80 [cant remember] u get a 10 pull voucher for the next banner

[summer flicker]

😭

[gritty olive]

its not as simple as that

ill eat first

if we ignore secondary substats and both stats start at zero, mainstat is 50% worse always

to get the effects of a 100% dmg buff, you need 200% mainstat bonus to match it

[dry kindle]

Oh we're starting from 0/0 ew

[elfin smelt]

idk what witchcraft they did with the urgent recruitment but people have been getting spooked 6*s from it xd

[gritty olive]

me when something that has a chance of happening that isnt particulary very rare happens

.leak2

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1396872298027417705/1427934925931151446/A0C99YAVH3JRMESW_AJ1.gif?ex=68f69a48&is=68f548c8&hm=4584754200593f373970d6bbeb73c0527c8a9fae622caeb07be4b5ea92e6bce8&=&width=160&height=160

[valid zealot]

[valid zealot]

Is there any stage with 2 enemies instantly.

[signal sundial]

People surprised when the 6* rates are almost single digit whole number percentages

[steady gate]

7.8% chance for a 6 star is a pretty high spook chance.

[gritty olive]

exp farming

[gritty olive]

whats the chance for 6*?

[steady gate]

Base, its 0.8%. And this is true for urgent, and you get 10 chances.

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127hA3XS01zjIoi7nHmcva3ZHl69vPivdkJOBiVUydfw/edit?usp=sharing @modest thorn

[gritty olive]

so 1 - 0.992 ** 10

7.7% is decent

.gacha

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1463314157368643706/EndfieldBannerFlowchartv2.png?ex=69716102&is=69700f82&hm=1016600671b1f4866d60410df6ce664bb6221b472f5c617d085a405fd7f4ec22&

[gritty olive]

.gacharot

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086672418832394/1405403493644111963/endfieldgachabrainrot10fps640p.gif?ex=689eb380&is=689d6200&hm=0af17380e13391c173037390b760be562f51573bc3dde12e1a6fe608fcf11595&=&width=835&height=480

[gritty olive]

so the chance before soft pity is 1 - 0.992 ** 64 = 40% chance before rates start trickling

thats pretty solid

[elfin smelt]

is this outdated

[proud vector]

Yeah

6* are 2k

[elfin smelt]

the old conversion was that good huh

[valid zealot]

None of them has exactly 2 but well.

[modest thorn]

wtf markiplier reference

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-airport-kid-child-chest-gif-18830724

[gritty olive]

@modest thorn you need to have like 200% dmg before theres something going on

this is with 100 main attribute, something like this is going to be funnier

[proud vector]

@drifting quest Sry for the ping, but not sure how to access TCers to ask this question

What is the behaviour of LR combo skill in relation to snapshotting of buffs and Xaihi Ultimate? If I ult with Xaihi like say a frame before LR hits, does the buff apply?

( I’m doing stupid shit again - so not super urgent lol)

[modest thorn]

errr so is this accurate? or too complicated

[gritty olive]

hm

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-24903806

[summer flicker]

912143

maybe i can get this higher

could be 1mil if i have a bit of corrosion

[proud vector]

Is dis Yvonne

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

yes

with gingsen

[proud vector]

Beeg beefy dmgs

[outer ermine]

r u gonna bully rhod now

[edgy crater]

trust in gingseng

[summer flicker]

i alr bully rhod

i mean not 1 rot it but good enough

[proud vector]

but Is this higher than p0p0 or is it power of dupe

[summer flicker]

i mean by 1 phase 😭

[edgy crater]

hifumi, u also bully rhodagon

[outer ermine]

join the speedkill

[summer flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlF7cudoMSk

i trolled at the end

[outer ermine]

alesh thumbnail buruh

[summer flicker]

ask youtube

dont ask me

[edgy crater]

laffey, how many fish u got?

[summer flicker]

idk

[proud vector]

Holy auto attacks

9k crits

[wanton notch]

Man Alesh getting some love isnt

I wonder why no one cared about him before Yvonne banner actually

[valid zealot]

Ake exists.

Does everything he does but better.

[unreal light]

alesh good

ban ake

[unreal light]

ahhh but does she apply cryo

in aoe

[valid zealot]

Which no one needed until Yvon.

LR is not as hungry.

[clever tiger]

How does Arts Intensity work with Solidifcation+Shatter?

If Alesh has Arts Intensity, solidifies, and then Estella shatters, does Estella benefit from Alesh's Arts Intensity?

[valid zealot]

Solidify and shatter are two distinct reactions.

It benefits from intensity of whoever proc it.

eg Estella intensity increase shatter dmg, Alesh intensity increase solidfy dmg.

[clever tiger]

I wasn't aware Solidification itself does its own damage. Thanks for that

[wanton notch]

Can I get sub 1 min with this wheelchair comp? I actually have to slightly slowdown first phase to land finisher

[unreal light]

what's your estelle build I wonder

[peak void]

wtf

[unreal light]

yinglung?

bonekrusha?

offset?

[wanton notch]

It's bad. I use her for sole purpose of apply Susc and Vulnerability, so I need to her ult basically every Shatter rot.

So it's Xiranite

With bonekrusha poncho

[gritty briar]

damn those catcher basic attacks are crazy

[valid zealot]

Catcher's lover.

[unreal light]

it feels as if you need someone else to deal damage too

as your catcher is already through the roof

[shut cobalt]

i think this fits in here so i'll ask here
is there any point in making the heal items/dmg increases at all? cuz i mean, u can't use them in umbral atm and overworld is as easy as it gets atm so i dont get why u should do this?

[valid zealot]

One man can only achieve that many.

[wanton notch]

You know what else problem I have that if I do too much damage I get this

[peak void]

js trimming rn

[unreal light]

you're not doing too much damage, your first video had this phase end earlier

[shut cobalt]

idrc about that so i can just skip making those?

[unreal light]

idk

[thorn shore]

damn does yvonne deadass get outclassed by last rite

[wanton notch]

I don't get to do finisher second video

With close to same rot

[peak void]

making your healing items separate lets u sell more for stock credit fwiw

[unreal light]

yeah, and you did finisher first video, earlier than second video ends

it means, you don't have more damage in second video

[peak void]

if u dont care tho, js skip

[unreal light]

perchance you might put swordmancer on estella, if you believe your problem to be slow stagger bar and too much damage

[peak void]

maybe in the future they let us farm oroberyl

[shut cobalt]

i'm making the factory ones and even with using them i still wipe the outposts' shops tho

[gritty briar]

is it time to switch to sundered prince so you do less damage and stagger faster? probably screws your damage too hard though

[peak void]

thats normal

[shut cobalt]

there isnt any point in making the better ones then i assume
nvm, read what u said above (missed it)
got it, thanks

[wanton notch]

Then no Xiranite tho and probably a bit too slow in ult gen.

Although I already use Xirabite on Pog for some reason.

Maybe if I do AI Pog with Xiranite Estella

[warm galleon]

You'll eventually p5 LR you just need to lose to her everytime, Yvon on the other hand

[thorn shore]

yeah ill still be playing this game 5 years in the future when i p5 LR to lost 50/50s

[tame sand]

just you wait

[peak void]

me with p2 ardelia

[tame sand]

they will release a shatter carry that will make yvonne must have

[warm galleon]

I have both of them maxed out I prefer yvon over LR, might change once I mastered controllers. Using kbm atm.

[thorn shore]

the docs says lr is better in single target

im sure eventually yvonne exclusive support drops

but till then rip yvonne

[summer flicker]

ye surely

crit damage buff support

[valid zealot]

How to make a exclusively Yvon support without buffing LR the same.

[summer flicker]

this

[thorn shore]

as the person just said

[warm galleon]

Nature operator

[valid zealot]

Then LR will start building crit.

[summer flicker]

how much crit can lr build lamo

you can crit fish yes, but would it be good tho

[thorn shore]

new yvonne crit support operator drops and all of the sudden every team in the game swaps to crit

[valid zealot]

Well her dmg is in 4 big hits.

[warm galleon]

A nature wulfguard that does two stacking in one skill then +1 on gilb

[summer flicker]

good luck malding crit

[valid zealot]

Don't try me.

I'm ex HI3 player.

[calm field]

phd in gacha

[warm galleon]

A nature DPS is going to have Xaihi with stanza

A high nature stacker will be a yvon support

[thorn shore]

tbh the worst part is yvonne already has a 6 star support but is losing to lr

worthy of shedding a tear

[warm galleon]

I think the worst part is her ult force swap into her instead of your main

So she takes aggro instead of the main

[thorn shore]

ur using yvonne not as main op who does this guy think he is\

[warm galleon]

You guys do?

Only Xaihi part needs field time

[thorn shore]

her ass is the entire point of pulling her

[wanton notch]

Anyone can do quick character damage calcs?
I wonder if I fcked myself with wrong body part or not

[elfin smelt]

dps meta and culture meta

[valid zealot]

Ask Morb, Morb has sheet available.

Not for Catcher, tho.

[outer ermine]

lr does that now

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, u still do it

[wanton notch]

Wait, never mind. I didn't cooked myself.
I remember now why I chose Aether over Type50 body

It's because Aether gloves is ass

[summer flicker]

[outer ermine]

16%s not gonna stop us

[warm galleon]

You think they'll introduce new armor for new upcoming operators or will they delay it for the next map?

[edgy crater]

they do

[warm galleon]

New map new armor

[open hare]

M61, where's M60

We'll definitely get new armor

[edgy crater]

technically we don't have yvonne set

[open hare]

Guaranteed

No shot they stick us to the same armor

For the entire wuling

[warm galleon]

Recycled cause M0 to M60 had bad rolls, took me 61 rerolls

[open hare]

[wanton notch]

MiKit no?

[edgy crater]

still ass tho

[valid zealot]

It fits.

[normal tangle]

was MiSec not designed like specifically for her

[valid zealot]

Asthetically

[edgy crater]

no idea, but even with misec, still not good

[gritty briar]

now that i look at it more, i don't see how this would get sub min without giving someone else some damage, which i assume would defeat the point of catcher carry

[edgy crater]

or more crit

[gritty briar]

making phase 1 shorter wouldn't really solve it. You'd have to cut it down to 20 seconds at that rate and at that point you basically had just started casting skills

[lost void]

Feels wierd that elemental pairing only applies to

Heat-Electro vs Nature-Cryo now

I hope when Rossi drops
Nature-Heat team up will be introduced.
Also phys-cryo is the only elemental pairing for shatter, they probably need to introduce something else.

[warm galleon]

Freeze and phys

If Rossi is a nature two stacker like wulf yvon will eat good, if she's nature dps xaihi will be eating stanza.

[normal tangle]

electro can go with anything honestly

[lost void]

That's the only element which phys has interaction with.

Heat-phys could be something like melt armor or something.

[normal tangle]

electrification is strong universal arts buff

corrosion too i guess but very situational and less strong

[lost void]

That's a reason why I hope Rossi will be a nature dps vanguard.

[warm galleon]

[normal tangle]

i will put money on the line to say rossi is heat vanguard

[lost void]

She definitely spells out frontliner and attacking head on also a leader like Akekuri.

Nature has no vanguard yet though while every other does.

[summer flicker]

is that p1

[warm galleon]

Yah I was 29 pulls away from 5050 and won

[lost void]

Makes sense she is int we have int sword user yet?

[gritty briar]

laev

[warm galleon]

if she's fire I hope she's crit type cause we already have Lae on the other side

if she's nature that's great cause Xaihi is my only m3 atm

and I'm one copy away from max stanza

if she's support hopefully nature stacker for yvon

[lost void]

Nature is definitely the most neglected element now with so many roles vacant.
2 primary support/auxiliary dps, 1 4 star support-subdps

while other elements are versatile and well covered.
Would be wild card if Zhuang as first limited to be nature damage instead of just electric since she uses nature force/storm

[normal tangle]

not sure i'd call cryo well covered

they have two dps and xaihi

missing a real glue unit

[valid zealot]

No caster.

[normal tangle]

yea

[lost void]

Alesh is vanguard, snowshine defender, Xaihi support, Estella guard
2 6 stars are dps

then there are intermediates such as
Fluorite - nature cryo & Yvonne
Antal - heatelectro

[valid zealot]

Then look at Greedy Industries CEO™ who hoard 2 base 6* for themselves.

[normal tangle]

honestly idk what they're doing with the category system

how is endmin a guard

but dapan is striker

[valid zealot]

Yeah that too.

[lost void]

based on weapon. Strikers are supposedly glass cannons, major dps

Da pa has 1 sec BAT even though he uses g sword he swings it effortless unlike the two ladies.

guards have somewhat supportive via vulb stacks, SP refund and certain talents that can help team.

[safe sand]

i dont think strikers have supportive abilities at all

[normal tangle]

dapan inflicts lift+knockdown on ult

how does endmin support

[dry kindle]

They're not meant to

[dry kindle]

We don't talk about phys

[warm galleon]

LR is Yvon support and she's a striker

[safe sand]

yes that's why they're strikers

[normal tangle]

endmin is not a striker

da pan is

what separates them?

[safe sand]

team atk buff on crystal consumption, crystal itself applies dmg taken bonus

[valid zealot]

No? Their descriptions say it p clear.

[dry kindle]

Dapan uses vuln

Don't ask why endmin is a guard with 0 vuln inflict

[valid zealot]

It got nothing to do with support capability.

[normal tangle]

wait there’s an attack buff?

[valid zealot]

On pot.

[safe sand]

yes, 15% for team at p2 upon crystal consumption

[warm galleon]

p3,p4,p5 trust

[dry kindle]

Only reason endmin could be guard is because of crystal

Literally

[valid zealot]

But it's not vuln

[safe sand]

crystal is broken tbh

[valid zealot]

Imagine it was vuln.

[lost void]

Endmin makes shatter comp deal so much damage.

[normal tangle]

shatter is definitely the most interesting archetype mechanics-wise so far

[safe sand]

as in like

pure shatter or budget phys shatter

[normal tangle]

actual shatter

[safe sand]

so like snowshine alesh

[normal tangle]

ye and estella

[vestal sinew]

why is there no resource distribution priority for physical category in the pinned document

[normal tangle]

missing a 4th

[valid zealot]

Skill prio?

[lost void]

skill?

[valid zealot]

Well shatter is just Endmin toy.

Geez just how greedy they can get.

[unreal light]

m1 pog battle skill and ulti grants you more sp regen
lifeng battle skill rank increases phys susc. applied all the way until m3

outside of that just upgrade whoever you like most

[normal tangle]

i can imagine a comp like spamming shatters as it stacks lift then ending with a 4stack shatter+crush

that'd be so sick

[lost void]

I mean Endmin is F2P of all 6 stars. just spend 0.99 USD and get GV

[valid zealot]

Hoarding half of the game roster for themselves.

[lost void]

it already does.

[normal tangle]

yeah but not very well

[vestal sinew]

this thing

[normal tangle]

feels kinda awkward

[unreal light]

because there's no single dps unit, that carries the whole team thing in phys

[lost void]

the rotation hasn't been optimized since players favor pure phys comp atm

but if you put in Lifeng/pog on the shatter team then their shatter output will definitely be more damaging than just pure phys buff/debuff

Shatter is another damage source that pure phys has no access to.

[unreal light]

have you accounted for that

[lost void]

simple cummulative and total buffs present.

Obviously a phys team cannot access shatter because nobody from them can solidify. Only breach or crush.

On the other hand if you introduce breach to the team since Estella is already a budget Lifeng on the comp the only buff they do not utilize is breach, Endmin is to shatter team as to Da Pan is to pure phys team

[unreal light]

for the single shatter damage instance?

[wanton notch]

@unreal light how actually important Xiranite for damage

[lost void]

You have actual idea how many times solidify to shatter actually happens in a 30 sec/1 min time frame?

[wanton notch]

I want to try your idea with SM Estella + Full AI Pog

[unreal light]

you don't seem to answer the question

[unreal light]

it depends, if you could share your builds, I may account for that

[gritty olive]

[lost void]

Remember the discussion I was having yesterday about the efficiency of shatter team and others are questioning why did I use Gilberta. If I did have Pog then he will be taking Gilberta's spot for

breach-phys sus- solidify-crush

I have Gilberta on my comp since she's the readily available promoted unit I have that can.somewhat contribute to the physcryo interaction, nature fuels solidify rxn

[unreal light]

I'm not reading every single message in chats, so I don't know what happened during yesterday's discussion

I asked whether you have accounted for the whole team damage, to say what's definitely more damage and what's definitely less damage

[warm galleon]

We only have 40(or 60) weekly artifice
which one has better efficiency
Xaihi's int/2nd stat or
Perlica's arts intensity

Xaihi is limited to cryo or nature and the gears has a low probability of being usable to future operator except two kits/substat
while arts intensity gears works for everyone but has like minor diminishing returns.

[clever tiger]

wasn't there an equipment that has combo skill cooldown?

[warm galleon]

yes

Frontier's

[signal sundial]

How much investment do I need for a meme Chen solo?

I imagine it's like 90/90 all gears artificed?

And p5 sundering steel

[green acorn]

Doubt you need that much, so long as you're patient as the timers in the game are nowhere near tight enough to need hyper investment, even for a solo clear

[signal sundial]

I know sundering steel is like bis but godamn is it ugly

[elfin smelt]

they could be talking about trimming medals

[flat agate]

its not rapid ascent?

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=245588407#gid=245588407

whatchyall think

[normal tangle]

pretty major diminishing returns, actually

in terms of artificing

an infinite amount of arts intensity will still only give you like 3x effect multi

[signal sundial]

I'm not sure tbh, idk the math but p5 sundering steel is easier to get than rapid ascent

[flat agate]

is p5 really that big of a deal?

[elfin smelt]

a big stat stick yea

[signal sundial]

Iirc yes because this game scales really hard on attack stat

Since everything else scales on that

[normal tangle]

actually what's the difference in arts intensity with no artifice vs max artifice

i can math it out rn

[signal sundial]

Now I'm kinda sad because I didn't take a sundering steel from the event

So I'm short of 1

[normal tangle]

what event

[signal sundial]

The pre launch event

[modest scaffold]

is it better to p5 5 star is p0 6 star weapon and operator

[elfin smelt]

perfectionist

[signal sundial]

More like I thought I didn't need it and I took levelling mats instead

[normal tangle]

heavily depends on both weapon and operator

[elfin smelt]

well RNG has been kind enough to give us multiple sundering steels and stanzas in daily rotation

[fallow glacier]

thoughts on making a shatter team? was thinking something like estella, alesh, snowshine, pog

[signal sundial]

I got a maxed out avy and maxed out chen just from natural pulling so I'm kinda ok w that outcome

[normal tangle]

who is your dps here

[elfin smelt]

should've taken that big fat 20k T credits

[fallow glacier]

prob estella to proc the shatter and maybe pog to proc when her combo is on cd

i havent tested or anything its just a sudden idea that came to mind dont even know if shatter dmg is worth it

[signal sundial]

I'm p sure I did

Why did that thing have limited redemptions anyway just lete redeem everything

[elfin smelt]

yea it was weird

[signal sundial]

Speaking of stanza

I don't have one

But I do have gilb sig so

[edgy crater]

stanza always good

[normal tangle]

how do you not have stanza

don't you get a free one

[elfin smelt]

there will be time when you need one

[signal sundial]

do you

I don't have very many 5* arts units I think

Just wild wanderer and obj

[normal tangle]

i'm pretty sure yea

i'm looking at my weapon pull history and my first stanza pull doesn't have the NEW!! tag on it

so i got one from somewhere else

[signal sundial]

I'll have to check then

[edgy crater]

ye u do, lvl 5 quest thing

[signal sundial]

[normal tangle]

ye node 7

[signal sundial]

You mean I didn't actually need gilbs weapon

[edgy crater]

unless u burn ur stanza

[elfin smelt]

imagine feeding 5* weapons as exp

[signal sundial]

Nvm it's her sig so it's naturally better

[normal tangle]

how many pulls did you use on gilb weapon

[elfin smelt]

80

[edgy crater]

some do dat, they feed stanza sundering steel

[elfin smelt]

I have bad luck

[normal tangle]

cooked account gg reroll

[flat agate]

signature weapons > non signature p5

[elfin smelt]

I hit hard pity on ember's banner

[normal tangle]

ember's banner?

[elfin smelt]

weapon

[signal sundial]

Oh ya the other day I was asking how to get thermite cutter

[normal tangle]

genuinely what are we doing 😭

[signal sundial]

And that same day I let the intrusive thoughts take over

[elfin smelt]

I like it

[signal sundial]

And pulled for it

[signal sundial]

Got it in 20 pulls

So I think I'm 60?70? Deep into gilberta weapon

[elfin smelt]

if anything I can swipe for more arsenal but I think Im fine atm

[elfin smelt]

how desperate were them for some teeny tiny bit of exp

[edgy crater]

dont ask me

[normal tangle]

would you say 6 or 7 issues

[elfin smelt]

after getting all the juicy rewards from the new events Im thinking of pushing my estella past lv80 for that +10% clue speed

[rare rover]

the door is open

[normal tangle]

which door? the pearly gates?

thank you

[rare rover]

that but instead of perly think more firey

[normal tangle]

laeva's house 😻

[rare rover]

no not exactly

more specifically a toasty fiery one with red horned gremlins

[normal tangle]

that sounds like laeva to me

[rare rover]

what part of red horned gremlins is laev?

[outer ermine]

hnaf

guess wut yvonne did

[edgy crater]

whot

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1PjfsBRE9Y

[edgy crater]

holy shit

w8

do u need dat alesh rng

[outer ermine]

need to download vid later and actually see when timer ticks

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

yea i see the gold fish lmao

[proud vector]

fckin Alesh rng

[outer ermine]

gib me a few more days i just full pitied gear artif again so im getting fucked

already tested full pot chiv/det, starry, stanza/monaihe variations

[edgy crater]

dat yvonne deal 1.4m on last hit? seems too high without alesh fish

[proud vector]

What other sources of atk% do you reckon is in there

Could be quite a large chunk considering there isn’t that many ATK sources in that team yeah?

[warm galleon]

If we considered all support with p5 wep and 25% atk from armor set then yah

[outer ermine]

its p5 chiv, tc is only 6/6 tho

[warm galleon]

7,359 attack that's actually pretty low

[edgy crater]

she getting 5stack from artzy (?) n uknown from 2 atk
dats at least jacub food too

[edgy crater]

u forgot the most damage spike

[proud vector]

Isn’t it the crit food

[edgy crater]

p5 yvonne

dats alone basically diluted gingseng

[outer ermine]

must be nice, grinding w jakubs

[warm galleon]

The player only have 1 stack of wep buff.

But well it's a p5 wep

[edgy crater]

i saw 5 tho

[proud vector]

p5p5 Yvonne baiting people into P0Wedge Yvonne

[proud vector]

Tale as old as time

[warm galleon]

The weapon buff cap is only 3

The far left is the weapon buff

Combo skill criting 3 times in a row will cap it.

[edgy crater]

then which shit giving yvonne 5 stack atk icon

[warm galleon]

That should be the armor

5% crit rate, 25% atk

[edgy crater]

[warm galleon]

Anyway the player is missing two stacks of 39% cryo dmg

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-wazzup-scary-movie-scream-gif-16474707

what are we talking about

[edgy crater]

10s fatso

[rare rover]

ok bye

[compact bridge]

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

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[rare rover]

go back to hsr u

[glacial jackal]

.gyatt2

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/635439835364196353/1354538951670497491/caption.gif?ex=6971d2f4&is=69708174&hm=d754eecdcead1975cf086d97ba7f33f6aad733bee931937681df051ed8c5d37c&=&width=487&height=593

[warm galleon]

There's two way to activate the weapon buff

1. Crit hit on battle skill
2. Crit hit on combo skill
   Since p1 have extra two hits it's the best way to rng the crit for 3 stacks.

It's 39% ice dmg per stack and the guy on the video only use skill once and it happen to crit

[compact bridge]

Nah, they made my char unusable so im waiting for my revenge rn

[rare rover]

your getting a new sp form soon, git back u

[lilac bloom]

how much worse is navigator vs p4+ wedge or artzy tyrannical

[drifting quest]

Averages 10-20+% depending on pots

Since p4 wedge is about equal to artzy

[gritty olive]

@drifting quest what are fluorites teams?

*yvonnes

[drifting quest]

Xaihi
Gilb
Alesh/Perlica

Cope options Estella/Fluorite

Giga cope options Snowshine/LR

If no Gilb you basically always go Estella Alesh

Akekuri can fit if already build but is mid

[gritty olive]

what do you think the best "standard team" is

for me to calc

[unreal light]

could you share a spreadsheet on the matter?

[lost void]

simple deduction reasoning.
If the reason why phys comp is highly efficient with their team damage output and why it is popular is because of
4x vuln → breach 30 sec buff → phys sus → 4x vuln → crush

phys has no access to additional damage layer of shatter since it is unique to physcryo.

[warm galleon]

Z7 team

[unreal light]

what's your point?

[drifting quest]

Alesh 4th

[drifting quest]

Remind me in like 10h and sure but know every sheet has different assumptions and hence different values

Solo calcs, full team, per hit, per rot

Different gear

Different enemies

[chilly bolt]

Damn yvonne 10s rhodagn

[summer flicker]

huh

[chilly bolt]

^

[summer flicker]

crazy stuff

[drifting quest]

The new bait video for the next 2 weeks

[warm galleon]

And that's only one stack of weapon buff, missing two

[chilly bolt]

LR players in shambles

[drifting quest]

Its slower than lr still lmao

[chilly bolt]

There's a faster lr clear?

[drifting quest]

Lr is sub 10

[chilly bolt]

Best i saw is 11s

[elfin smelt]

from crit fishing to real fishing

[summer flicker]

what the fastest p0 yvonne p0 weapon rn

[drifting quest]

30? 40s range?

Maybe barely under

[warm galleon]

I saw a 16 but bp wep

Or was it 26

[chilly bolt]

26s something

[warm galleon]

26 it is

[drifting quest]

If you only mean p0/p0 yvonne infinite support budget the 26 sure

[warm galleon]

What's the fastest p0 LR clear without her sig?

[edgy crater]

iirc, dat 26ss clear need 3 gold fish

[chilly bolt]

Without sig... What

[lost void]

That was my reply from the we have a while I ago. I wasn't able to reply to it promptly.

Each team/comp specifically and collectively/cumulatively are put into consideration along with optimized use of buff and skill rotation, which goes first then which goes next. Where will be the burst window when everything, all buffs & debuffs align, burst wndow.

If electro stores those burst damage into thunder lances+EX only to use them on proper timing, staggered phase then shatter comp relies on the shatter window and availability of solidify-shatter a less RNG reliance compared to Yvonne's reliance on crit-cdmg after solidification.

[warm galleon]

Without

[summer flicker]

ss mdps

[unreal light]

yeah, I understood that you are talking that

this assumption just does not prove or disprove being one stronger than the other

[lost void]

Somebody mentioned probably a day old already that Endmin can threefolds benefit from the shatter damage.
Probably 4x vuln, crush+shatter.

[final swan]

would a p1 last rite want aethertech or frontiers armor

[edgy crater]

frontier

[chilly bolt]

Aethertech is a good stat stick

But if you want serious gameplay it's frontier

[drifting quest]

Aethertech is viable if you always stagger (e.g. only doing rhod speedruns or something with the right setup)
Frontiers is generally assumed to be better pre p3
Bonekrusha is generally assumed to be better post p3
Yinglung is a viable option for general content

[edgy crater]

for yinglung general content, u basically trade lower ulti lr for higher cs?

[chilly bolt]

Hmm i never seen yinglung tbh

[outer ermine]

[final swan]

this is good to know altho i meant the armor specifically

[chilly bolt]

If you want combo dmg might as well just use bone

[drifting quest]

This is just the armour slot

[final swan]

ohh

[drifting quest]

3p tide in other slots is almost always the go to

[lost void]

@unreal light cryophys aka team shatter is in a state of limbo

If full phys team has exclusive access to vuln stacks, breach, phys sus, crush

while cryo has exclusivd access only to cryo inflictx4 solidify and depending on team occasional shatter unless Alesh and/or Estella is in the team

then shatter team has access to both element's damage amplification brackets/opportunities. Key players are Endmin-Alesh-Estella with flex 4th slot most recommendable is Pog > Lifeng > Gilberta

with key mechanics of SP refund, SP recov, vuln stack, breach(with Pog), phys sus (with Estella and/or Lifeng), solidify to shatter and crush

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-arknights-good-morning-endfield-gif-11117373519425360338

[unreal light]

that's understanable, yet this does not prove or disprove which one deals more damage over the other

[wanton notch]

This what I use rn.

This way I can have Estelle ult every second combo, but I'm not sure, maybe I can able to reach it without so much Ult gain. And yes, it's MB, I don't have mats to upgrade Jet yet.

But maybe I can get away with this for some staggering and Breach damage to compensate

Estelle need ult for each breach rotation

[pure spoke]

Its breaching exile

[summer flower]

Ehhh?

[daring dove]

Out of all these which would you pick? Do I just go for the weapon I don't even have yet?

[summer flower]

Is it rng factor when it's multiple hits with high CR?

[pure spoke]

Get p5 rapid ascent

[summer flower]

Like if you have 10 or 20 hits

And CR is at 50% or more

[drifting quest]

It is still rng yes

[pure spoke]

Its always rng unless its 100% cr

[drifting quest]

You can whiff 100 crits in a row at 99% cr

[summer flower]

Just just average for expected DMG, it's not reliance on rng, just a bit of window of possible outcomes

[drifting quest]

You can hit 100 in a row at 1%

[summer flicker]

still rng, lower hit rate enable crit fishing more

[summer flower]

Do you can?

[daring dove]

Is the weapon even good for Chen, seem a lot of people not using it. Maybe they just don't have it.

[summer flower]

I wanna remind you it's computer system

[summer flicker]

higher hitrate -> the damage is more balanced out

[drifting quest]

Where is this going

[summer flower]

I don't think they using solutions for true randomness

[drifting quest]

True randomness is not relevant here

[pure spoke]

P0 rapid ascent is worse than p5 sundering.

[summer flower]

It's relevant in discussion

[drifting quest]

It does not need true randomness

Its a different computational problem

[pure spoke]

Apparently 10% less dps if you do solo chen

[summer flower]

For 100 whiffs at 99 you probably need true randomness

Or issue with how randomness is decided

[pure spoke]

There are no games with true randomness

But lets not dive into this topic

Waste of time which we cant influence anyways

[summer flower]

Do we even know if procedurally it's regular randomness or self regulating like in Dota?

[daring dove]

So you're likely going to need P2-P3 just to pass a F2P weapon

[pure spoke]

Ye

But sundering looks ass

[daring dove]

Yeah naw, I think I'll go for another copy of Sundred Prince.

[normal tangle]

box cutter

[warm galleon]

rapid meme build

[daring dove]

Will be better Chen weapons down the road

[drifting quest]

Endfield should be pseuodrandom like most

[pure spoke]

Did you just change your pfp to ember? Or am i tripping

[pure spoke]

Lmao i tried the same

[daring dove]

Yeah, decided with me not activiely playing Genshin RN

[normal tangle]

a distinction without a difference, honestly

[pure spoke]

Bs do be hitting hard

[daring dove]

Profile change time

[normal tangle]

for all intents and purposes, it is effectively random

how it arrives to the “random” state is none of our business

[pure spoke]

Was your previous pfp ayaka?

[normal tangle]

me?

[pure spoke]

No striker

[normal tangle]

oh

[pure spoke]

Wasnt your pfp always the hand?

[summer flower]

It affects if 100 whiffs at 99% is even possible

[wanton notch]

Nevermind, Estella goated for ult stacking.

I think I can get away with full damage Estelle actually

[normal tangle]

focusing on the hand instead of the fish is crazy

[wanton notch]

Sucks that there's no good build for that

[normal tangle]

but yeah that’s why i was confused lol

[pure spoke]

I cant see whats on your hand because DISCORD SUCKS with their tiny pfp

[warm galleon]

skill issue on discord?

[pure spoke]

Maybe i need a bigger phone

[normal tangle]

bro’s on an iphone 3 😭

[wanton notch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JGFwzr0Dev4zMCK_XKBbK8y7Bh-af0YxLhSLwUFkB3w

But we talked more of P0 Ascent (calcs of hornymonster)

[daring dove]

Ineffa

[pure spoke]

I actually have iphone 4

[normal tangle]

still rocking the ipod touch

[warm galleon]

I just bought a y700, may be next week or two

[summer flower]

Floating window, ohh wait forgot, iPhones don't have that

[normal tangle]

android users on their way to insert themselves into every conceivable conversation for absolutely no reason

[pure spoke]

My highest solo chen bs dmg was 62k . Meme build

[normal tangle]

nobody was talking about windows bruh

[summer flower]

It was joke relating comment of pfp size and readability

[pure spoke]

Ina from hololive?

[normal tangle]

most of chen’s dmg is ult, no?

[summer flower]

As in floating window discord is gonna be partially using screen size

[summer flower]

Don't think so?

[pure spoke]

A mix of ult bs and normal attack

[daring dove]

Genshin Impact

[normal tangle]

so everything, lol

[pure spoke]

Ye

U need like 5-6 bs to charge ult

So you technically can do more bs dmg if ult doesn't crit

[summer flower]

And Chen AI feels more inclined to just sit there bashing than avyenna's

[warm galleon]

I mean it's Chen...

[pure spoke]

Ah the haircolour deceived me for ayaka

I gave up on ai operators. They just dont attack smh

[summer flower]

No combat in new event, so no solo Chen vids :(

[pure spoke]

Also seems like they never attack 3 at the same time

[summer flower]

You got 3 melee?

[pure spoke]

I didnt use chen in the new event because pog dashes faster xd

[pure spoke]

Ye

Well 4

[warm galleon]

I have all rangers, unless I swap Perlica out for whoever fits the job

[summer flower]

Do they basic attack all time?

[warm galleon]

I think so I see some particles fly

[summer flower]

Hmmm..
Maybe avyenna wasn't issue

[pure spoke]

100% of the time its only 2 attacking and 3rd one is afk. And they swap out

[summer flower]

But was 3rd melee therefore less inclined?

[pure spoke]

So its always 1 melee afk

[summer flower]

Hmm....

[pure spoke]

Ye its weird

Xd

I hope they fix it someday

[normal tangle]

how does solo chen work for stage 5 umbral

[pure spoke]

3rd melee just walks backwards and does nothing

[normal tangle]

do you just play matador

[pure spoke]

I did it chen solo. Its good with her lift

[summer flower]

Solo Chen is better for stage 5 than most teams

[normal tangle]

i lowkey completely forgot she had lift

[summer flower]

I had to copy @pure spoke

And stop crushing to get trim

[pure spoke]

I actually did crush comp for fun xd

[summer flower]

Because after crush I couldn't lift

[summer flower]

And how it was?

[pure spoke]

It was more annoying but i did it tho

Everyone died except endmin and it was close

Because the ai is dumnlb and cant dodge

[summer flower]

About same outcome as me

But my endmin purple gear

[pure spoke]

Purple gaming

[summer flower]

So... You don't live for long with that

[pure spoke]

Shatter team would be easier tho

Because freeze

[summer flower]

Nah

Same issue

Eating stacks

So if easier it's still worse than not eating those

[normal tangle]

shatter doesn’t eat any stacks

[pure spoke]

I tried with snowshine and estelle and it was pretty good tho

[summer flower]

Eats solidification

[normal tangle]

that’s not stacks

[summer flower]

Ice teams suffer on that stage according to people

[summer flower]

Infliction stacks eaten into solidification

Which is eaten by shatter

[pure spoke]

According to ppl the stage is hardest stage in gaming history

[summer flower]

Laev teams

[normal tangle]

laev team doesn’t struggle at all

[summer flower]

Heard opposite from numerous people

[normal tangle]

literally just press m2 sometimes and it’s free

[normal tangle]

people also said level 70 enemies in open world was too hard and got that reduced so

[pure spoke]

I tried no hit no move no dodge with chen. I tried to dodge all attacks with a dive attack. Its rlly tight window

[normal tangle]

the average population is just really bad at the game

and also on mobile

[summer flower]

I'm saying

That mechanically this stage

Is worse for laev teams

[normal tangle]

it’s not though

it’s not any harder than literally any melee team

[summer flower]

Compared to lift capable teams

[summer flower]

Ehh?

[pure spoke]

Umbral 1 was also really hard in the beta when everyone was around lvl 60. A lot of ppl said it was impossible back then xd

[copper walrus]

are sonic towers or ln towers better

(defense)

[normal tangle]

you just hear a lot from laeva teams because laeva teams are the most popular rn

[summer flower]

I know that

I'm aware

[normal tangle]

those who aware

[summer flower]

It just happened this stage was harder for such teams

[pure spoke]

When they need to dodge for once

[summer flower]

When as ember you need to dodge 💀

[normal tangle]

i guess it was harder sure

[pure spoke]

[normal tangle]

but i definitely wouldn’t say struggle

[summer flower]

That part is investment/player skill

If you perfect dodging all but ones undodgable then yea it's gonna be different

If you got all skills on everyone on m3

It's gonna be easier

[pure spoke]

I would say umbral 1 agony 2 is way harder dodging wise

[normal tangle]

m0 laeva, every support level 60

it’s not an investment thing

[summer flower]

Is that a strawman?

[normal tangle]

?

[pure spoke]

But most ppl didn't struggle because they had aoe surtr. Gilberta etc

[summer flower]

Ignored half issue

[normal tangle]

which one was that

[summer flower]

Investment/player skill

[pure spoke]

The 4 snipers + 3 worms

[normal tangle]

oh yeah fuck that one

[summer flower]

I didn't dodge that until got left with one operator

Solo Chen ending

[normal tangle]

red background on red floor with enemies wearing red clothes and all the attack indicators were red

how the hell are you supposed to see those

that was just genuine bad design honestly

[pure spoke]

I saw a solo no hit run of that stage. Insane

[summer flower]

@normal tangle yea no, that's not hard to dodge part

Enemy basic attacks

Which aren't indicated other than their animations

[normal tangle]

yes those are what i’m talking about

they are indicated by a small red flash

[pure spoke]

Rell try its not that simple

[normal tangle]

that you can’t see

[summer flower]

Small flash?

[normal tangle]

yes

[summer flower]

Never noticed that

[pure spoke]

If they shoot and glow and you dodge you still get hit because 3 others are also shooting after that

[summer flower]

Or can't recall

[odd wren]

Anyone can tell me if this is better than thermite?

Wearer for each should be pog

[normal tangle]

if you already have thermite on your team then yeag

oh

W edit

yes pog sig should be better there

[odd wren]

[pure spoke]

Damn max pot

[normal tangle]

p5 grand vision is a little

[odd wren]

[chilly bolt]

Is this whel chat

[pure spoke]

Crushing balls

Man is funding for next arknights anniversary

[odd wren]

Anyways i need to test first since my endmin is wearing something like this instead of the norm

The aether tech set so my current arts is at

Hence my question about thermite vs never rest p5

[pure spoke]

Max pot never rest should be better at burst windows if your pog is on ult

Because it stacks 4 or 5 times iirc

[odd wren]

But thats like 35% right?

[pure spoke]

Ye

[odd wren]

Hmmm

[summer flower]

What's your physical DMG stat on operator?

[pure spoke]

Your thermite isnt max.pot

[odd wren]

Which operator?

[summer flower]

Endmin

[odd wren]

Lemme check

[summer flower]

Also i like your off meta gearing

[odd wren]

Hmmm

I learned it from hiragi but i made some tweaks on the comp instead of ardelia pog lifeng i went the normal

My current highest

[pure spoke]

Is hiragis 1.4 mil with pot0?

[summer flower]

That's almost single crush kill

[daring dove]

Btw for PHY team lovers, how effective to do you think a high investment PHY team would be controlling P5 Ember with P5 Sundred Prince, P5 Lifing, P2 Pog, Chen?

I'm thinking once I finish my Ice team

[twilit quail]

it's still thermite by a fair margin

[daring dove]

I'll start building that.

[odd wren]

P1 i think but he went ham on the arts buff

[twilit quail]

look at what p6 gv is doing to your dmg% bracket

[summer flower]

Can lifeng crush?

[pure spoke]

No

[daring dove]

Thermite Cutter would get further ahead of Never Rest the more potentials you grab.

[odd wren]

Hmmm my endmin has 0% pdmg on base

[daring dove]

They're going to be closest in performance at P0

[summer flower]

You need something for consumption of vunl stacks @daring dove

[summer flower]

Then p5 one is good

Stick to it, you don't need to consider swapping until you get some potentials on thermite

[odd wren]

Hmmm but if we take into consideration this will it be diluted?

[summer flower]

How much Phys DMG is in that even?

[daring dove]

Ok, so who do you recommend Lifing & Ember are mainstays I guess Pog as well, so it's only really the last slot I can mess with but removing Chen seem a bit crazy?

[odd wren]

100.8%

[pure spoke]

Removing chen is also ass because she does 2 vul

[chilly raft]

ah yes
low rank sig that match character color

[summer flower]

Ember + Chen works well together

Is breach eating vunl stacks?

[pure spoke]

Ember is kinda chen replacement if you cope hard enough. Embers combo does do vul right? So i guess replace chen with da pan or endmin

[daring dove]

I kinda wanted Lifing in there as well though, since I'm pretty sure that team will be able to stagger in a few seconds with Ember controlled by the player.

[pure spoke]

Yea

[summer flower]

Does it deal DMG?

[daring dove]

Maybe I'll wait for more PHY characters to drop

[summer flower]

Like team you wrote should work

[odd wren]

Ok so in conclusion atm never rest is better? And get more thermite dupes?

[summer flower]

Dunno how fast pog can breach

[odd wren]

One battle skill

[summer flower]

Ember fits too good with chen

It's ember BS into Chen combo

[pure spoke]

Ye but striker doesnt want to replace lifeng xd

[odd wren]

4 stacks of vul is 20% unless you run arts on him iirc

Gives more breach%?

[summer flower]

Ember Chen, lifeng pog

Controlled either lifeng or ember

Personally I would control ember but that's up for preference.. difference in stagger should not be that significant

Arts is gonna be breach DMG right?

[normal tangle]

100.8% dmg and 39% atk (+30% from talent)
atk: (1+0.39+0.3+0.08)/(1+0.39+0.3)=1.047x increase
atk no talent: (1+0.39+0.08)/(1+0.39)=1.057x increase
dmg%: (1+1.08+0.35)/(1+1.08)=1.168x increase

am i missing something

sig seems quite a bit better here

[odd wren]

Hmm so never rest better?

[normal tangle]

unless i’m missing something, it seems so

[daring dove]

Controlled Ember with high potential Sundered Prince should stagger very quickly an Lifing's P5 adds a bit more stagger as well. Kind of want to build a team that staggers enemies super quickly.

[normal tangle]

though i’m not sure what external % buffs the rest of the gear/team applies

[daring dove]

But not fully refined the idea yet.

[odd wren]

You mean the arthertech?

At what bracket is physical susceptability?

Is it also dmg%?

[normal tangle]

its own thing

separate multi

“susc” and “dmg taken” are important distinctions as well, because they are different

they’re each in their own brackets

[normal tangle]

like ardelia applies arts susc with ability, then arts dmg taken from sig

both of which multiply with each other instead of adding

[pure spoke]

That word sus is a word i ve never heard before playing endfield and i have a hard time to write the actual word

[summer flower]

I don't think GV makes sense if you don't have solidification/crystals

[pure spoke]

[odd wren]

So these are the other stuff basically lifeng is the only one giving buffs

[summer flower]

But someone would need to math it

[odd wren]

Pog is breach

[summer flower]

Not aether tech for pog?

[odd wren]

Nope i went full arts

Pulsar at base gives more arts

[summer flower]

Not something like that?

Ohh wait nvm

[odd wren]

What

[summer flower]

It's not striker with

[sleek nova]

Whats offset for yvonne? Want to start artificing

[summer flower]

Pog carry

[odd wren]

Its not

Its endmin carry

[summer flower]

Yea sorry mistook guys

[odd wren]

I think this is better?

[summer flower]

I have throwed almost everything I have into Yvonne

[sleek nova]

Idk thats why im asking

[summer flower]

And all that is cause I wanted to jump

[sleek nova]

Idw to artifice wrong gear at least

[edgy crater]

slab

[normal tangle]

no offset for consistency, lynx slab for higher potential but also higher variability

tbh i don’t like slab on yvonne

[summer flower]

Pull for DMG? Pull for support? Nah
Pull for jump exploit? Yea

[normal tangle]

it’s more on avg but the hit to consistency is annoying when you miss

[sleek nova]

Ok so i can artifice my current gear yea?

[odd wren]

He has max pot yvonne tho

[normal tangle]

you can at least start with chest gloves and 1 kit

decide whether you want lynx later

[twilit quail]

youre not even actually comparing the boosts at all and are sequencing the game events incorrectly. when you use BS on a target with crystals the talent 1 bonus will only apply at stage 4 to cover the damage of the BS itself

[sleek nova]

Alright ty

[normal tangle]

idk what her pots do lowk

[odd wren]

Hmmm

[odd wren]

Here

[normal tangle]

wow that’s not very impactful at all

aside from p1 and p5

[normal tangle]

yeah i was unsure about talent which is why i included both talent and talentless scenarios

[daring dove]

P2 is pretty good considering everything Yvonne wants to be doing relies on CR.

[normal tangle]

it’s not too big of a difference either way

[odd wren]

P2 is + crit rate

Iirc

[normal tangle]

p2 wasn’t in the screenshot

[odd wren]

And int of course

[normal tangle]

💔

[odd wren]

Haha i forgot haha

Lemme check

[twilit quail]

I mean youre not even actually calculating what % damage increase in the situation either would provide at all

whatever

[normal tangle]

?

what

[odd wren]

Here

[normal tangle]

oh

yeah that’s fine i guess

but damn not worth the pulls at all

[daring dove]

I think I worked it out, if you gave Yvonne CR Gloves & off-pieces max artifice, during her ult you're at 99.5% CR.

With P5.

[odd wren]

[daring dove]

Which in turn increases the value of her P5 a lot.

I'm thinking Yvonne's going to be one of those late bloomer characters, not better than LR now. But she has synergies with both Nature & ice teams.

So I think at high investment in the long run she'll get there.

[normal tangle]

kind of a double edged sword here

sure she’ll get better teammates, but so will everyone else

along with new DPSes

[edgy crater]

so p5p5

[odd wren]

Just need to wait yep

[normal tangle]

i can only see her value going lower, regardless of how much she improves individually tbh

[odd wren]

Man im tempted to get more thermite potentials

[edgy crater]

cause p5 yvonne really good with highest possible cr

[odd wren]

If thermite p1-5 is gonna be better than never rest p5

[daring dove]

I'm not going to, going to leave her weapon at P0 for now an see how future characters shape up. But I do think she'll end up being in a Nature / Ice Hybrid team as her BiS. That or a purely Nature team providing she's not breaking synergies we'll see.

[odd wren]

Maybe the tianshi will be a better fit?

[normal tangle]

why pure nature

[edgy crater]

hmm, yeah but u dont doubt the high investment of p5 yvonne

[daring dove]

I'm still it two minds, for me I got her to P6 in 240 pulls though, so I can't really complain. Some people are only getting her P0 in 120. SO whatever happens I'm happy I picked her up.

[odd wren]

I got her p1 at 30pulls p5 at around 200pulls

Including the free dupe

[daring dove]

Isn't the free dupe at 240? I'm not sure one the first one?

[odd wren]

I forgot as well tbh

[daring dove]

I just got her first free dupe which was P6 for me

[odd wren]

But thats just 200+ pulls

[daring dove]

I basically got her to P5 10 pulls before you get the free token. Then just pulled for the free token because it was worth 10 pulls tol exchange for weapon currency.

[odd wren]

But anyway i went for 2 more dupes luckily got one from off pity and then The last one was the last free dupe to get my gv to p5

[lost void]

Only what she needs is somebody to provide more solidification per period of time (say every 10 seconds). If somebody from her team can easily cause solidify 4 to 5 times per 10 seconds the she will have higher damage output otherwise the cryo infliction to solidify will be consumed for shatter.

[normal tangle]

having more cryo doesn’t magically make the rest of the problems with her kit disappear

she’s still hardstuck single target in an overwhelmingly aoe meta and even worse than the other single target cryo dps, and her ult still requires stars to align to get full dmg out of it

[lost void]

LR & Yvonne relies on cryo stacks how fast you build it up to 4 and how fast you can reapply it back.

Yvonne has interaction with solidification while LR consumes the cryo stacks.

[normal tangle]

if you use ult outside of stagger window you just lose half of it

[sleek nova]

anyone here playing on mobile?
want to ask whenever yvonne ult, then I use other ult (like gilberta), yvonne stops attacking and it kills my damage. on youtube video yvonne keeps attacking, is it doable on mobile?

[normal tangle]

oh i misread solidification as cryo, sorry.

this actually doesn’t help yvonne at all though?

she’s not a shatter character

in fact, shatter actively hinders her

she wants enemies to stay solidified

shatter makes that not happen

[lost void]

Variation for Yvonne's gear set is still available for one option whi is MI/crit rate if by next patch a gear set has some interaction with enemies getting more damage by being cc'ed then it would probably be alternative build for her or could have better damage output.

[normal tangle]

it can be better with specific timing but it’s not something she actually wants

[lost void]

Solidify doesn't affect shatter if you master to consume shatter right before it wears off and not consume it for the whole buff duration, more so instantaneously go solidify-shatter right after it pops up not unless it would kill the enemies since in Alesh's case if he can kill with his ult while there is solidify his action would be beneficial.

[normal tangle]

none of this helps yvonne

you’re describing a shatter comp with yvonne as a spectator

man i’m going to sleep

this channel sucks late at night 🎋

[odd wren]

[lost void]

It's just basically the same as a thundercomp consuming electrification if it go for the kill or during the burst window or in case of Avywenna call back all the lances.

I may not have Yvonne on my roster but I fully understand why Yvonne was with Perlica-Alesh-Estella and not somebody else like Xaihi.

[untold forge]

hi ppl, I'm reading the LR guide and at some point the author mentions that Gilberta can do the job based on the "rotation graphic", but where I can find this graphic? Doing a quick search I only found people talking about it, not the graphic itself

thanks

[green acorn]

?

[lethal galleon]

HELL YEAH

me deciding whether to get her sheeplings to heal ORRR waste sp on her battle skill (still havent maxed akekuri)

[green acorn]

But to be a bit less glib, Gilberta is fairly easy to use in LR rotation's, use her combo whenever, and when going into an LR ult window, you want to wait for LR's combo to land to consume the Cryo infliction stacks, then use a Perlica/Akekuri battle skill to put an infliction up, then Gilb ult for the buff + corrosion, then drop LR+Perlica ult

[summer flower]

Gilb being pushed as must have for every comp... Is there team in which Gilberta is true must have instead of just best operator for support?

[untold forge]

I wanted to see the graphic because when I argue about using Gilb people are like "YOU DOOMED" I'm using Gilb myself and I'm preferring her

[summer flower]

Is there a team in which gilb excels compared to gilb in rest of teams?

[sturdy hawk]

for the files in game is it only the collectibles that are counted towards the 300 or the non collectibles too?

[tranquil burrow]

Fairly sure it's collectibles only but could be wrong

[odd wren]

I saw this hmmm

[next helm]

Wouldn't post that

Also is there a world in which you want to build pity to avoid getting only 1 6 star till 120?

[odd wren]

Ok ok haha my bad

[green acorn]

The straight forward answer is Avywenna and Gilberta, the broader answer is near every other team(barring Phys) in situations where it isn't pure ST

[summer flower]

Why?

[green acorn]

To be quite honest, the sort of people who knee-jerk react like that wouldn't change their minds with a graphic anyway, they'll just invent some way to discredit it

[odd wren]

Yvonne gilb?

[summer flower]

Why avyenna and gilberta?

[green acorn]

Two teams that have the majority of their damage condensed into a short window, Gilberta ult is an enormous buff for a short window

[summer flower]

Perlica DPS Would be same as avyenna

[green acorn]

Ok sure, but I was talking generally about the "meta" teams, Perlica DPS is more of a speedrunning thing that requires some hefty investment

I have very little understanding of how teams work at the "throw money at it" level, but imagine that Gilberta gains even more value as time to kill in those sorts of environments is enormously shrunk, assuming you can get her ultimate

[summer flower]

My point is, that Gilberta is probably strongest support

[green acorn]

Sure

[summer flower]

But otherwise I'm doubtful she is unlikely to be replaced in future

As kit doesn't have any special interactions

[green acorn]

Any unit has the potential to be replaced in the future, utility supports tend to have a bit more longevity than most(Kazuha for example)

[summer flower]

Chen for endmin is more must have than Gilberta

[green acorn]

Sure, but that was already covered(and somewhat of a given as she's an arts based support)

[summer flower]

Gilberta doesnt come close to same fitting level as chen-endmin as far as I'm aware

[green acorn]

Play Yvonne without her and you might change your mind rather quickly

[summer flower]

Ohh, I heard Yvonne bad

[unreal light]

rumors as usual

[green acorn]

She's a dps that requires a lot of conditions to be good, and presently struggles to meet many of them, she won't have any issues breezing through all current content, but she's firmly in the camp of "Last RIte at home"

[chilly bolt]

she got 10s rhodagn would you call that bad

[unreal light]

"uhh but some guy said she's bad soo..."

[green acorn]

I would imagine that to be the afformentioned "throw money at it" style of setup, but aside, beating up on the Patchwerk of the game doesn't really tell us a lot about her performance in more realistic scenarios, she's not bad, she just has a lot of caveats

[odd wren]

Anyone knows whats the cap of pdmg where in it should be diluted already?

[chilly bolt]

pdmg?

[potent hornet]

i assume physical dmg

[odd wren]

Physical damage sorry

[unreal light]

there's no exact raw number of dilution, as it is a matter of opportunity cost

you have to always compare, of how much each buff or gear gives you, and what other stats it may provide.

[potent hornet]

keep in mind that ginsing is like our only source of flat attack dmg outside of our weapon

[wanton notch]

The only bad thing about Yvonne is LR existence.
And the fact that people put them two together

[potent hornet]

so % will usually go a long way when you eat that

[summer flower]

Was it usual all supports maxed same supports as always?

We had "damage per screenshot" laev already

[midnight stirrup]

Being able to do 10s on Rhodagon doesnt make all her issues go away

Rhodagon is a punching bag, anything can do their rotation properly on that guy.

@daring dove Holy pfp change

[daring dove]

Not actively playing Genshin RN so decided time for a change

[rich widget]

ember <3

[odd wren]

So hard to calculate that ah

[midnight stirrup]

whel c6 klee for me b4 u quit

its only 2 cons smile

[daring dove]

Klee cons.

Although to be fair after her buff she's kinda Arle level

[midnight stirrup]

Klee is actually goated

I got to pair her with c6 durin so

[rich widget]

whats a klee

[unreal light]

a bakudan

[daring dove]

Missing 1 chest then I have collected absolutely everything in Valley & Wulling but no more resources to find chests this week.

[potent hornet]

yvonne supported by a p5/p5 LR is funny

[midnight stirrup]

watch it be some obvious spot

[daring dove]

Knowing me most likely will be in the middle of road in plain sight.

[rich widget]

honestly clueless as to what a klee is

[potent hornet]

i would double check stragglers and gloomvale

[midnight stirrup]

If you werent invited, dont ask to go

[daring dove]

Evil Monster that blows up Mountains that needs around the clock protection so she doesn't nuke an entire country.

[rich widget]

im honestly not sure if joke or real lol

[midnight stirrup]

Striker

Hush

[daring dove]

Height of all evil, uncontrollable so needs an entire nations military force to keep her inline.

[midnight stirrup]

Gatekeep

[rich widget]

ah

only just figured youre talking about an entirely different game

[midnight stirrup]

No shes in this game

Didnt u watch the trailers

[rich widget]

was wondering if it was some weird made up term for somethign in game

or somethign i missed in the lore

[summer flower]

All frogs done?

[daring dove]

Think so yeah.

[midnight stirrup]

Striker

U failed me

[rich widget]

dont worry, once i figured it out that was it

[summer flicker]

just buy the tracker

[daring dove]