theorycrafting

[potent hornet]

its like trying to throw alesh in with either of them, he also wants to consume stacks. Not enough to go around

[oak vigil]

I feel like putting two units which have almost same role in the cycle and being main damage dealers creates an issue of that Last Rite is a gluttonous beast which wants all buffs/can only buff herself, while leaving Yvonne with 1 less buffer

One of them needs to hog mainfield, not both at the same team definitely

[drifting quest]

will yvonne lr clear? yes

if you want to use it anyway you can

[native aurora]

[drifting quest]

but the idea is futureproofing in case content gets harder

[frozen tide]

Idea is just being optimal

[drifting quest]

which it arguably is, based on this umbral vs the last

[frozen tide]

People try to cope into thinking Yvonne lr is good cause they are cute and both cryo 6 stars

[edgy crater]

i haven't seen yvonne clear on new umbral

[native aurora]

Understood, tksm to all

[frozen tide]

Also what would even be the other 2 with lr yvonne

[drifting quest]

xaihi gilb usually

[frozen tide]

Cause if xaihi lr and yvonne are all using bs

[edgy crater]

xaihi ange

[frozen tide]

Where is sp coming from

[drifting quest]

thats the neat part

it technically comes from lr refund

[edgy crater]

just hope n circling around until its ready

[frozen tide]

And if you don't xai bs xai is never gonna get a second ult

Esp with lr sp return

[drifting quest]

a team that already cannot make any mistakes is now even more screwed if you mess up

[frozen tide]

It's similar to a lot of lr carry comps in essence

You don't have enough sp for sustained cycles so you just hope you kill or force phase change with 1 rot

Which would buy time for more sp

But at that point

It might be fine for one phase actually

But because of sp refund would you even get a clean second cycle even with phase change downtime

[lusty relic]

Finished Inorganic Construct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmObeqKf-dA

[twilit quail]

short timeline lr + yvonne is ok

[frozen tide]

I don't know the numbers but more I think about it the more it sounds feasible to perform for one ult

[twilit quail]

but it's not something you would reasonably like

recommend to anyone

[frozen tide]

Would it do more dmg than rite solo or yvonne solo carry

For one ult

[edgy crater]

aint dat depend on whether lr get to eat cryo stack?

[drifting quest]

if its short timeline then better stuff also has no issue so its like

pointless

[frozen tide]

If you solidification xai ult gilb ult lr ult and yvonne ult or smth

Ok that doesn't even work tho

Solidification is too slow to use that for rhod speedkill

Removing xai is out of the equation

Ig gilb has to go but that'll reduce the dmg so much

Gilb bs yvonne bs xai ult gilb ult lr ult yvonne ult?

Theres no way thats enough dmg tho

I doubt it even works out for stagger

And rhod will just phase change

Youd need rite cs

[edgy crater]

w8 aint u wanna start yvonne ulti earlier with dat sequence?

[frozen tide]

Yvonne ult has to be after yvonne bs

And after gilb bs before that

So fastest you can do it is gilb bs Yvonne bs yvonne ult

The question is how do you stagger now

You don't have sp

[edgy crater]

n dats just 5s worth of damage

[frozen tide]

If you don't stagger rhod will phase change before yvonne ult and lr ult can finish

And if you put in a diff unit to help with cryo or stagger

You don't have enough dmg

For the two ults to kill

At which point only feasible solution i see is to farm cryo with said comp and lr cs

But like at that point everything is meaningless

Just do lr cs kill

[edgy crater]

1119 lr maybe possible lol

[frozen tide]

What is 1119

[edgy crater]

only ulti at rank 9, else rank 1

[frozen tide]

Lmao

[edgy crater]

so u just prolong the battle

[frozen tide]

Guys new economic yvonne comp just dropped

If xaihi could just cs without bsing

[edgy crater]

cause if lr max there, she will trigger fatso phase too fast

[frozen tide]

Or if xaihi generated sp

Maybe things wouldn't be so 1 cycle and then limp

[edgy crater]

doubt u can if u wanna show case yvonne

[frozen tide]

I just don't see how lr yvonne can do repeated cycles or even 1 cycle nuke fast enough to compete

[distant python]

Why try and fit them together

When their teams are almost identical

[frozen tide]

Cause that was the discussion at hand

[distant python]

Now you just have 2 teams

[edgy crater]

ask youtuber n random ass web

[frozen tide]

Im doing mental gymnastics to figure out a cope advantage they may have

Which im struggling to do

[edgy crater]

i saw game8 rec yvonne lr team with fluorite in it

[distant python]

There's cope using LR for infliction stacks

It just means your LR gets to ult sometimes per maybe

[frozen tide]

Btw that just shoots everyone on the foot

[lusty relic]

just take out yvonne and use LR main DPS

you'll do more damage

[frozen tide]

Cause Yvonne needs to bs regardless of cryo

[edgy crater]

schling, wanna see coping pic?

[frozen tide]

And if lr and yvonne both bs xai can't

If xai can't bs she will never get another ult

[distant python]

Cope frontiers for sp refund on 1st slill

[frozen tide]

Frontiers only works on sp recovery no?

[edgy crater]

u just trigger most yvonne user dat follow random youtuber

[frozen tide]

Also sp return also shoots yvonne ult economy in the foot

So both yvonne and xai aren't having a fun time with ults

Lr ult isn't being met the condition to thrive

You can hardly cs

You'll do mediocre dmg with yvonne ult

And call it a day ig

Add the gimped lr ult onto that and it'll add up to decent dmg

Ignoring the fact you don't get a second ult cycle

[frozen tide]

Sure

[edgy crater]

at the end, its just lr ulti lifting the total damage

[frozen tide]

Itll probs be yvonne ult

[distant python]

wait i swear there was a set that gave sp return on 1st battle skill usage

[edgy crater]

what i mean from game8

[distant python]

is that a purple set?

[frozen tide]

Yes

It is

[distant python]

fuck

[frozen tide]

Wait u might be cooking

For rhod speedkill

Can you cook with that 50 and make smth happen to stagger him for yvonne and lr ult

[distant python]

hyper optimised niche purple gear tech

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, dat pic didn't use ange at all on yvonne

[distant python]

surely at one point they realease a new gold gear set

with that property

[frozen tide]

I haven't played the stage so I can't say much

[distant python]

its such a cool idea

[frozen tide]

If the timeline situation is weird enough

Maybe that cursed comp works?

But yeah hard to imagine such a stage

[oak vigil]

I am… genuinely confused on how LR can work as support

???

[edgy crater]

u can almost 1 rotation stage 3, the core just really slow to spawn n got 0 hp on it

[frozen tide]

What about second stage

Third stage is one boss

Im guessing

[edgy crater]

well, its random ass web + no ange

[distant python]

Catastrophe Wearer's Ultimate Gain Efficiency +20%, The wearer casts a battle skill, the action returns +50 SP. This effect only triggers 1 time per battle

we need a gold version of this

now

this would be soo fucking good man

[edgy crater]

u remember big bull from lodespring? dat can charge u, dats stage 2

[frozen tide]

The big bull

Like the horn guy?

[edgy crater]

yeah

[frozen tide]

Is there any other mobs/bosses

Than one bull

[edgy crater]

its elite

[frozen tide]

Cause if its 1 bull wtf are you doing with yvonne lr

[distant python]

anyway time to log on and actually do new umbral

[frozen tide]

When umbral doesn't even let you start with ult

[drifting quest]

default is 1
agony is 2

[edgy crater]

its 2 bull on 2nd stage

[drifting quest]

i liked how there are actual differences to the stage on agony

[frozen tide]

How does lr yvonne work starting no ult against higher hp mobs

[edgy crater]

dont ask me

[frozen tide]

It would take so long to actually get started

Lr xai fluo/alesh maybe i can see

But recommending yvonne lr fluo xai is devious work

[distant python]

no sp???

[frozen tide]

This game 8 thingy

Recommends that exact comp

[distant python]

i forgot how sleeper normal mode is

the enemy just falls over

wait + 48 pruple skill mats and 150k tcreds kinda nice

[drifting quest]

game8

[oak vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-dog-taco-hamburger-dedede-king-dedede-gif-10142955001422659841

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, dats why i said coping pic

[frozen tide]

I feel like even for those website standards yvonne lr xai fluo is devious

[distant python]

we should get a set that recovers sp on inflict

[gritty olive]

guys

do i review for my exam or try to sim uvonne for the nextweek

[frozen tide]

https://youtu.be/09tzBTyJvow?si=BNq2qoh1DEe9Cz6q

[oak vigil]

Dude go do a review for your exam

Game can wait

[frozen tide]

"Endfield last rite+yvonne infinite ult comp"

[frozen tide]

Go study brohamster

[gritty olive]

yeah fair

[drifting quest]

yvonne has sims

you can rest

and study

[distant python]

how hard is stage 2 aongy?

like how much do i care about the hp regen buff

[drifting quest]

none of them are hard but they can all be visual checks first time around if you dont have experience fighting the mobs

[frozen tide]

Its beyond me how they 4 stack lr cs lr ult and yvonne ult and still doesn't get to rhod phase change hp point

[oak vigil]

you know I respect the effort, but this is just not it 💔

[distant python]

im using double sustain

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[distant python]

i cant die unless i take my hands off the keyboard

[frozen tide]

Not my vid

😭

[oak vigil]

Like, I am not allowed here to speak on such matter, I am doing fucking Antal dps, but even THAT works better (I know that it’s not your video, I was just saying)

[gritty olive]

translation: yvonne is bad. somebody already calced her so dont bother

[oak vigil]

Like as the whole was typing that without it directing towards you

[gritty olive]

[frozen tide]

Might be old news to yall but im just exploring how ass lr yvonne rly is for the first time

[drifting quest]

i would never say such things

openly

[edgy crater]

w8 really? i don't wanna watch dat clickbait video

[frozen tide]

The rotation ideas

Are interesting

Could be worth a watch

[edgy crater]

ill do it later

[distant python]

i think this is the best team for brain off umbral

nearly impossible to fuck up

[oak vigil]

Going to wait for the new comp of Laev/LR/Yvonne next to happen when Yvonne drops

[drifting quest]

melt comp

so true

[frozen tide]

Wait its sundered prince rite

With khrav it probably does phase change after 4 stack cs xai ult lr ult yvonne ult

[daring dove]

Out of curiosity how many perfect essences 3/3 matches do you guys have for your 5/6* weapons now? I'm up 12 11 of which are for 6* weapons.

[oak vigil]

For Oblivion

[frozen tide]

I only have 2

I have perfect essence for khrav and stanza

[twilit quail]

he has so little hp that properly raised yvonne

with 0 energy warmup timeline

will get him to transition

before the ult

all of the videos

either need unraised chars

or stripped gear

to show the timeline at all

[frozen tide]

😭

[daring dove]

Maybe I'm getting a little lucky with these then, it seems rare I have to do more than 1-3 runs for a perfect essence lately.

[frozen tide]

Ohhh you just meant 3 for 3 not full etched

I have 3 then ig but ones for a weap I don't have

[oak vigil]

Is it like 4-5% to get perfect essence each time?

With 3 rolls each time on each with that chance

[daring dove]

Ah fair, no way I had enough sanity to max out 12 essences sure I eat rocks but only about 4 a day on average.

[frozen tide]

The guys description suggests he hasn't fully raised them yet

His claim is that the comp with max investment would have 3x total dmg

🤔

Which maybe is possible with p5 p5 everything

Do you think lr yvonne can do sub 20 rhod then?

[oak vigil]

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHH, maybe not

[bronze plume]

hello

[lean pawn]

At what mission do I unlock reception?
Or what level in dijang

Do I have to get up to wuling?

[frozen tide]

Clue thingy?

Whats your dijiang at

@twilit quail do you think its feasible for lr+yvonne to do sub 20 rhod then?

[lean pawn]

I want to know the mission in precise

[drifting quest]

last rite 3 op has sub 20s

[frozen tide]

I am well aware

[drifting quest]

so naturally you can throw a brick in the last slot and sub 20

[frozen tide]

Oh rite 3

Really?

[drifting quest]

yes

[frozen tide]

I have not seen that

[twilit quail]

speedrun timing

probably

trim timing no way

[frozen tide]

Ive seen normal 4x comp rite rhod like 12-13 secs

I did not know there was a rite 3x sub 20

That's kinda insane

What's the gimmick or do you just 4 cs ult

And it kills

[frozen tide]

What's the difference?

[twilit quail]

entering instance

vs on pull

[distant python]

easy

[frozen tide]

Ah

[distant python]

i tried to get too clever on stage 2 the 1st tiem and balance them so i could kill them at similar times

easier to just kill 1

and slowly deal with the other dodging attacks

instead of dodging both a

[daring dove]

Ultimately LR + Yyonne seems to make LR team weaker rn so I don't see a lot of play in it. She's kind of in a similar position to Chasca when she first released. Where her best team was with another DPS (Mavuika) but by existing on that DPS's team she was just dragging it down.

[lean pawn]

Do you need to get to wuling to get max level dijang?

[frozen tide]

I was wondering if their combined multiplier could make up for missing one supp

[lean pawn]

Or just beat power plateu

[frozen tide]

For one cycle burst dmg

[daring dove]

It might do in the turbo whale realm but outside of that I don't see it.

[potent hornet]

whats the medal with the teal whispy circle thing

[daring dove]

I think Yvonne full P5 with P5 sig will actually perform quite a bit better than people think once fully artificed. I'm not saying she'll be good but likely on-par or very close to LR. So I can see it being a little better at really high investment.

Problem is that's so much investment just to make a character decent.

[frozen tide]

P5 p5 limited six star

Better fucking perform

[frozen tide]

The all wuling aurelene one?

[potent hornet]

ahh is that what that is

yea i guess a couple of the wuling ones have some colo

r

[edgy crater]

hmm, did my eyes lies to me or do i see lr cs only do 4k 4k

[frozen tide]

Probably did

[daring dove]

One thing that does make me pause though is just how sub-standard her sig honestly is...

[frozen tide]

WAIT

Thats lvl 60 rhod

How did i not notice

[edgy crater]

w8 really?

[daring dove]

I mean it's literally just worse than LR's weapon in every way.

[frozen tide]

And the author claimed the dmg of the chars would increase like 3-5 times with full investment

[distant python]

source, i made it up

[frozen tide]

Which is not a great thing if this is against lvl 60 rhod

Pretty much

I mean

[edgy crater]

oh yeah

[frozen tide]

I don't even rly doubt him

[edgy crater]

also his sequence only online every 40s

[distant python]

Hoardmaxxing rn

[frozen tide]

Dam

[daring dove]

Btw when LR's weapon says Skill damage dealt (for every skill). That means it applies to everything except her normals right?

[frozen tide]

If wording meaning is consistent with others

Should be

[dusk isle]

it is you can check it in the attributes tab

[distant python]

i should probably use these tbh

[frozen tide]

Could save em if you rly want

I personally wouldn't bother saving that many even if i was waiting on a char tho

[dusk isle]

this is with 3p tide surge (+20%) and p0 khra (+32%), plus i have poncho for combo dmg bonus

[distant python]

i mean

this is my ember rn

so

who to artifice 1st

[edgy crater]

che/endmin?

[distant python]

chen seems a bit cope when this is her weapon

or do i just go sundering?

[frozen tide]

Use the darn box cutter

Smh

[daring dove]

Yeah I don't really get that then why is LR's weapon giving her effectively an up to 150% DMG, while Yvonne's weapon is giving 84% DMG. It's like they want the premium character to be worse than the standard one.

[frozen tide]

Sundering vs aspirant is pretty massive difference

[daring dove]

Should of gone for the CR set if your rocking Sundred Prince Ember.

[distant python]

CRIT EMBER

im coping enough with sundered damage ember

to give up 100% physical damage for crit chance

[daring dove]

It actually works with Sundred prince giving 19.5% CR an the fact that you can get around 50% CR means you can easily build the 25% ATK bonus from the set.

[frozen tide]

Yvonne artzy p5 max stack should be similar

The second effect stacks 3 times

[frozen tide]

Khrav is still a better weapon generally

[drifting quest]

assuming equal pot khrav and artsy give similar dmg%, if not more from artsy

[distant python]

all the pieces on MI give shit stats

[drifting quest]

ignoring the mostly irrelevant skill damage%

or i suppose it says

skill not battle skill

so it probably buffs them all

another EN TL miscommunication i guess

[distant python]

this is the only piece that has strength main stat

[frozen tide]

Khrav giving atk percent and proc condition does make it generally a better weapon but for character specific they should be similar

[drifting quest]

khrav is quite a bit better than artsy yes

[frozen tide]

I feel like

Theres not gonna ever be a unit

That wants artzy

[midnight stirrup]

Whats artzy

[frozen tide]

Crit second line and aids proc condition

[midnight stirrup]

Sig of yv?

[drifting quest]

yvonne sig

[midnight stirrup]

Ah

[drifting quest]

its way too niche to ever be ran on anyone that isnt her

lmao

[frozen tide]

Khrav is a decent stat stick for any str greatsword

Atk second line and first part of third line isn't cryo exclusive

I feel like even if its not gonna be bis there will be future units that can use it as a decent option

I may be under the influence of slight copium

[daring dove]

I suppose you're right, looking at what the set pieces give they are pretty cope. If you could get the set status of Yinglung with the CR set bonuses it'd be a decent bit better.

[distant python]

so um, if i swap the gloves on ember for purple with attack %, i get slightly higher attack

[drifting quest]

not this again

[distant python]

yes yes i know i lose the physical damage amp

but

it is funny

[drifting quest]

we love making our units weaker

thats all this channel is about

[distant python]

i mean maybe if i have more strength from etching its worth

[frozen tide]

What if miner gloves actually is bis for a unit

[distant python]

potentially

[frozen tide]

And we've been ignoring it

[distant python]

very potentially

[tame sand]

yes this. For example, even though there is a triple perfect attribute 5 star weapon for Estella when you can activate all of it in your team, a JET without line 3 will still make Estella do more damage

[frozen tide]

🤯

[distant python]

have people here not done the maths?

[frozen tide]

Khrav third line is universal partially

Just straight gives 50 percent skill dmg

56 percent

Partially*

[distant python]

imagine if there was a greatsword user that wanted to use skill

[daring dove]

The rest after that isn't though.

[distant python]

except for lr

[frozen tide]

I mean as a stat stick

Atk second line

And partial third line thats hella universal

Sounds good to me

It may never be bis for a future dps

But i can imagine it being better than 5 star alternatives easily

[wind nebula]

Were the previous gloves fully artificed?

[distant python]

except for the will stat

[daring dove]

Yeah it's not bad as a stat stick but you'd just use Sundred Prince if you had them both at max pot I feel.

[frozen tide]

Crit second line is just a tad unfortunate for sundered

Fs stagger increase is also a bit niche

[distant python]

crit support releasing soon

[frozen tide]

Atk on third line is rly good tho

[distant python]

32% attack good

[frozen tide]

Atk percent is always valuable for dps

[wind nebula]

Crit is bad for sheet averages, but great when you crit a finisher.

[distant python]

nearly the same as max etch exemplar

[frozen tide]

Atp just restart run until you get it with ginseng

[distant python]

i wish i could use MI crit gloves

without nuking my stats

[frozen tide]

Ok smth I've been thinking

[distant python]

why make a greatsword have crit then have like non of the crit set have strength main stat

weird design decision

[frozen tide]

Is that exemplar in the grand scheme of things not taking specific char options into account

Is kinda mid

Ofc its by far bis for panda

[drifting quest]

endfield lacks generics

quite a bit

[distant python]

nah

[frozen tide]

But is that cause the sword is amazing or because there is 2 other 6* greatswords

[wind nebula]

If exemplar is mid, what greatsword is peak?

[distant python]

the generics are all just 5 star options

[frozen tide]

Khrav

[drifting quest]

whats particuarly generic other than what stanza

maybe fortmaker

but less so

[tame sand]

they cant give you generic weapons

otherwise they wont make money

[drifting quest]

i mean there are generics

[frozen tide]

Sundered is pretty generic

[tame sand]

if you mean worse alternatives then yeah

[distant python]

this seems generic enough apart from there only being 2 greatsword users that can inflict

[drifting quest]

deto, oblivion, wedge, sundered(less so), thermite

rascent technically but again less so

[frozen tide]

Thermite is the king of generics

[distant python]

also why is this no BIS for panda?

[frozen tide]

Stanza is also insane not even just from 5* standards

[tame sand]

this is great just for ult charging alone, though dont ever expect it to deal real damage

[distant python]

or does exemplar having attack % just make everything else irrelevant

[frozen tide]

5 star output

[drifting quest]

opportunity cost, dilution, yada yada

[tame sand]

no attack%, trash

[distant python]

crush scales with attack?

[frozen tide]

Jet is pretty generic

[daring dove]

If we're comparing like for like, it would be 56% ATK & 19.5CR (conditional on you controlling the operator) versus 39% ATK & 56% (All skill damage). If we take 1 ATK% to be worth 2.5% DMG bonus which realistically it's worth more than that since it's only skill damage bonus. The extra ATK on Sundred makes up for 42.5% of the skill damage bonus on LR weapon. An for me 19.5CR is more valuable than 17.5% SKill damage (the remainder) so yeah Sundred prince would be better. But it's actually closer than I thought.

[frozen tide]

It scales with everything

[distant python]

noted

[tame sand]

you cant get attack% from elsewhere. That is a very important multiplier in terms of damage calculation

[frozen tide]

Im not sure if x skill dmg bonus applies to crush caused by said skill tho

[tame sand]

you get like 10% attack% from team buff or what not but weapons alone can give you 40%

[frozen tide]

Does anyone happen to know for sure

[drifting quest]

crush is not part of the skill

[tame sand]

skill dmg doesnt Im pretty sure

[drifting quest]

so no

[daring dove]

Pretty sure skill damage bonus only applies to multiplier within the characters skills.

[frozen tide]

Good to know

[distant python]

need to start essence grinding

[drifting quest]

the same way combustion would not recieve combo skill damage from laev

[frozen tide]

You'd need to give me a rite example to get me to understand 1 to 1

[honest hill]

Anyone here uses LR or knows about her I wanted to know if Frontiers is better than Type 50 for one shot Rhodagn. I used Type 50 w max str max skill dmg bonus 17.9% wondering if max str + max ult dmg bonus frontier will do the job

[frozen tide]

Frontiers for who

[honest hill]

LR

[drifting quest]

arts burst isnt buffed by last rite skill damage%

from khrav

[frozen tide]

That made it fully click in my brain

[frozen tide]

Frontiers can't activate on sp return

[honest hill]

no i'm talking about the armour not the set

[drifting quest]

they mean chest piece

[frozen tide]

Ohhhhhh

Mb lmao

[daring dove]

Still most operators do the majority of their damage right now directly from the own skill multipiers. So all skill damage bonus is still a very useful stat.

[drifting quest]

frontiers should be better in theory

[frozen tide]

Fastest timeline for rhod should use bone

[daring dove]

Just not as good as elemental DMG bonus for their element of course.

[frozen tide]

Since 1 cs kills before ult

Ult taking 4 secs is detrimental for rhod

[honest hill]

isn't that P3+

Mine is P0

[frozen tide]

What about khrav

[drifting quest]

4s ult? too long
8s combo? just right

[honest hill]

P0

[frozen tide]

Ok maybe you can't one cs him then

[honest hill]

no lol

[frozen tide]

Can you 3 stack cs>ult kill with frontiers

Test that out

[lost void]

Have you guys seen this? This guy is built differently...

https://youtu.be/YjI-S5CXOz4?si=ewDqYqKEVjtw4PB8

[drifting quest]

seems right

[honest hill]

I do 4 stack in ss

[drifting quest]

a bit slow for s2 maybe but understandable if more dodge heavy due to lacking stagger

[honest hill]

w all the buffs

but as u can see im a little short

[frozen tide]

4 stack cs would increase cs dmg and give slightly more susc

But would be time loss

Is your xai full invested

[honest hill]

I'm not aiming for time

[edgy crater]

on non p3 lr, u need to crit twice for 1 rotation fatso

dats assuming u have gingseng

[frozen tide]

[honest hill]

sir I crit like 3 times on combo ult 1 then 3

[edgy crater]

w8 what?

[frozen tide]

Is your xaihi lvl 90 max artifice?

[edgy crater]

dats should be enough

[honest hill]

lv 80/90

[edgy crater]

m3 xaihi?

[honest hill]

yes

[frozen tide]

Get her 90 itll help

[honest hill]

M3

[edgy crater]

m6 lr?

[honest hill]

idt it'll make the diff there

[honest hill]

yes

[edgy crater]

how

[frozen tide]

If theres more things you can optimize it will add up

For example

Perlica investment and arts intensity

[white peak]

Once again the new endgame mode is way to easy :/, anyone else starting to get bored because the game feels like it babies you to much?

[honest hill]

type 50

[frozen tide]

Stanza pot

Ard m3

[honest hill]

[frozen tide]

All of those together could very well make the difference

[honest hill]

I will just invest in frontiers

max the str and ult dmg bonus

[frozen tide]

What was your goal again

I do have a fever sry lol

[daring dove]

Dudes got P4 Oblivion. It's impressive but a lot less once you realize that.

[honest hill]

just to kill in one rotation using Type 50 so I should invest in Frontier armour for ult dmg bonus and keep crit fishing

[frozen tide]

Frontiers is better than type 50

But im not sure that alone will be quite enough

To get the kill

[dusk isle]

i dont think this is possible since 3x cryo > cs doesnt do enough stagger for him to wait out phase transition

[honest hill]

I mean the ss shows the enemy at 20% HP

w Type 50

maybe w Frontiers it'll do idk

[frozen tide]

Dmg bonus isn't linear

You already have so much

[honest hill]

[edgy crater]

frontier jacub no crit

[potent hornet]

why does that make it less impressive?

[honest hill]

P0?

[edgy crater]

nah, its p2

[honest hill]

smh

[frozen tide]

You may be right im too used to gilb stagger

[lilac bloom]

p4 of a 6* wep

[edgy crater]

but its barely noticeable

[honest hill]

wymm

barely

😭

[frozen tide]

If it doesn't work out get xaihi lvl 90 artifice int until you hit a point where return isn't great artifice perlicas arts intensity and maybe get ard m3 bs

[dusk isle]

i just tried it out and i got the phase transition right after cs ended

[frozen tide]

Idk at which point you'll get the 1 cycle

Eventually

[honest hill]

ard m3 is like not much

@edgy crater I have P0LRP0Krav

[frozen tide]

Individually it won't make a world of difference but together the diff multiplier increases can make the difference

[distant python]

ready for yvonne

[frozen tide]

Lr ult does multiply susc

[frozen tide]

Holy

[drifting quest]

my condolences

[dusk isle]

is your xaihi p5 and perli p4 ?

[daring dove]

It's going to be giving her roughly 2x the damage of a standard Perlica. It would be kind of similar to a dude with P5/P4 LR going look at me I'm solo'ing all these bosses. Perlica has a lot of damage with P4 Obivion to be honest.

[honest hill]

yeah

[distant python]

p1 gil is ready

[frozen tide]

Im pretty damn certain if you get close to maxxing everyone at your current pots you can do it

[edgy crater]

then crit fishing 650k, twice

[dusk isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRMRL-QEbw
it is possible but needs crit fishing like here (pretty sure the bonus dmg from cryo stacks crits in this video since it wouldnt be possible to get 600k cs without crit with that build)

[honest hill]

he does have P4 Stanza

[daring dove]

P1 is kinda meh for her as I understand, she's kind of a P0/P2 or P5 character as P1 only increases her range by about 10%. (did we ever get to the bottom of them potentially mistranslating Gilberta's P1)?

[distant python]

i mean i got the p1 for free so

[dusk isle]

we got stanza twice in the arsenal shop did you buy them ?

[frozen tide]

I just saw how close you got again theres no way you won't get that amount from investing more

You can do it!

[daring dove]

Ah if it's the same ten pull then fair.

[honest hill]

no bc a lot of ppl said not to buy them 😭

[distant python]

urgent recruitment

[frozen tide]

Who are those "people"

[dusk isle]

[honest hill]

people in help

[frozen tide]

[lost void]

it's impressive for a caster like her can easily manhandle a cleartime vs a well built phys team can.

Or a complete avy-perli duo.

[frozen tide]

Stanza is bis in so many situations even with sigs available

[edgy crater]

higher pot on stanza only make the gap smaller lol, but u still need to crit 600k-650k twice

[honest hill]

ye but I currently get 587k on ult3 433k on combo skill

[edgy crater]

is dat crit with gingseng?

[frozen tide]

And ultimately 5 stanza copies from shop only costs 1 10 pull

[honest hill]

yes

[daring dove]

Perlica was already one of the best solo damage dealers in the game. With P4 Obivion she might be better than most of the 6*'s maxed out. It's cool but kind of obvious from my prospective.

[dusk isle]

what did you get in the 5* arsenal daily rotation in asia server btw

[honest hill]

I will buy when it comes back

[edgy crater]

m3 ardel bs then

[frozen tide]

You can feed supps food too for just a lil more dmg and do ard ult at a good timing

[edgy crater]

dark lung lol, worthless

[honest hill]

hell nah that's expensive aff

[lilac bloom]

interesting

[honest hill]

u think supps do dmg 😭

[dusk isle]

lr cope sword

[lilac bloom]

oh is it worth raising the normals for some arts unit attackers

[ancient drift]

LR m9 might be needed.. My ult last hit crit is 733k and CS around 522k… And I couldn’t finish Rhodagn in 1 rotation..

[lilac bloom]

like perlica

[frozen tide]

Its very small dmg ratio but you are scrapping for every bit of dmg rn

And it doesn't seem like you want to invest

Then gotta use whatever you can

[honest hill]

I still need to artifice LR gear for her will

[frozen tide]

Ard ult can do ok dmg

[honest hill]

since I am missing some

a lot actually

[frozen tide]

Put on ult dmg off piece

[lost void]

I guess her talent bonus damage vs staggered really did a lot of damage amplification more than stacking raw stats.

[dusk isle]

time for you to embrace the LR mindset @honest hill

[frozen tide]

Generally no if you aren't controlling them or using them for finishers

[honest hill]

ye ye I will max the str and ult dmg bonus plus the will stat on her gears 🥀

[frozen tide]

You can leave at 6

Finishers are weird to consider

But can make or break a timeline I suppose

[lilac bloom]

i feel like perli finisher is like rly good from what ive heard?

[honest hill]

idk how frontier is better when it has int stat on it

[lilac bloom]

ive seen the normals hit decently hard idk

[frozen tide]

Yeah but its ultimately one instance of dmg

[lilac bloom]

true

[frozen tide]

That you are investing masteries for

[lilac bloom]

what about for phys?

[lost void]

everybody got x9 at M3

[lilac bloom]

non mastery just level 9

[frozen tide]

Phys its a bit better just cause of lifengs atk

Lif just has so much raw atk finishers nuke

[lilac bloom]

ic

oh should i be controlling lifeng on phys team

[honest hill]

@edgy crater I'll lyk tomorrow when I artifice

[frozen tide]

Generally no

[lilac bloom]

i used to control pog but ngl he has soooo much fucking starting lag on his battle skill it pains me so i moved onto chen

[frozen tide]

Lifeng does good dmg but his skill anims are too long

[lilac bloom]

ok

[frozen tide]

You usually swap to him for finishers and don't mainfield him often otherwise

You mainfield chen usually

[lost void]

Not sure why most content creators suggesting to leave BA level too low and brick the damage.

[blazing lake]

LR kid buu soon...

[frozen tide]

But with super tight optimizations there is windows to swap lifeng outside of finishers i think

[edgy crater]

better artifing other parts before chest, so u can decide later which one better

[frozen tide]

Ba talent level for off field operators especially if you don't even use them for finishers is nothingburger total dmg increase

[honest hill]

oh true should I artifice the kits for the will

[frozen tide]

Especially especially if you build them as supports with low atk and dmg mult

[honest hill]

it'll go from 21 to 27

[frozen tide]

Just artifice strength

[edgy crater]

later if the damage isnt enough

[frozen tide]

Don't artifice will on kit terrible return for investment

[honest hill]

all my non armour gear have max str and max bonus

[frozen tide]

Will on gloves is a bit better return ig

[honest hill]

so I'm left w only will

[daring dove]

I'm really looking forward do this game getting limited 6* sub-dps'es like Chen to be honest.

[frozen tide]

Then artifice pulsar

Pulsar kit arts intensity

And xaihi intellect

[honest hill]

my xaihi int is now 600

well still was before

[frozen tide]

Artifice frontiers kit secondary percent and chest and gloves int

[tame sand]

thank those people, 800 tickets saved

[frozen tide]

Kit int is whatever for xai

And put some ult damage pieces on ard whilst maintaining 3 piece xira

Or even slab

[daring dove]

you should pretty much max artifice LR before you do any artificing on supports right?

[frozen tide]

I don't actually know which would be more dmg

[drifting quest]

no

[frozen tide]

Slab ard ult is lower dmg than ult dmg off piece?

[potent hornet]

cryo dmg and str should be priority

[drifting quest]

i was talking about artificing lr

[potent hornet]

yea

[drifting quest]

idk why you're putting ult damage or slab on ardelia

[potent hornet]

cry dmg and str

[honest hill]

ye the thing is I alr did that for her except frontier armour piece which I will work on

[frozen tide]

Ah

[daring dove]

Why is that?

[frozen tide]

He needs to scrap just a bit of dmg for rhod speed kill

[honest hill]

u think a lv1 ult

[frozen tide]

Will is dogshit return on investment esp if second line

[honest hill]

will do dmg

[frozen tide]

How am i supposed to know you kept ts at 1

[honest hill]

I don't use arde ult in rot

[frozen tide]

🥀

What abt perli ult then

[honest hill]

I do

but stanza lv1

[potent hornet]

ard ult is decent to squeeze out some more stagger

[frozen tide]

You align perli ult to be after electrification right

[daring dove]

Ah, yeah I get that. I meant max STR & Max Cryo damage gain an such.

Then artifice supports.

[dusk isle]

isnt getting stanza buff for mirages better than the perli ult getting electrification tho

[drifting quest]

someone like xaihi having her artificing for more int will convert into more damage than the same artificing might on last rite

within reason

[honest hill]

uh no I do ult before for stanza and electrification after to time it w cs and ult

[frozen tide]

Pulsar set bonus

[frozen tide]

Electrification lasts long enough to cover both

With p1

[honest hill]

my wep is lv 1

[frozen tide]

Its 8.5 secs off the top of my head

Which should be more than enough for cs into ult

[honest hill]

imma just artifice my LR and see what happens

[dusk isle]

i use it at the beginning to get stanza +atk% for 3 mirages

[frozen tide]

Alright

It would depend heavily on perli investment

My viewpoint might be a bit skewed

Cause i have 90 m3 perli

[drifting quest]

does anyone have

p1 yvonne

[frozen tide]

Max etching and essencing

[dusk isle]

my perli is malnourished

[honest hill]

same

[dusk isle]

lv60 skills lv6

[honest hill]

perli malnourished

[lilac bloom]

malnourished daughter

[honest hill]

[lilac bloom]

how could you

[honest hill]

one day I will invest

when I get oblivion for sure

for electric team

[lilac bloom]

i have oblivion

[tame sand]

Gil's sig pool is very good

[lilac bloom]

i got 2 rolling for delivery

[honest hill]

should I roll for her wep

cuz the pool is acc decent

[tame sand]

chivalry+thermite+

[honest hill]

chiv idc about thermite sure

[lilac bloom]

i think her sig will get a lot better when we get a different gearset for supports

its still rly good

[drifting quest]

im so glad gilb sig pool is good

and i got another wedge after the multiple i got from laev sig banner

and nothing else

[frozen tide]

Shuo i got convinced to pull gilb sig

[honest hill]

what u guys think I should go for it?

[drifting quest]

really love it

[lilac bloom]

imagine being yvonne.

[honest hill]

[tame sand]

i missed and got oblivion and wedge which are still good, becuase I pulled yvonne when pulling gil

what a great sig pool

[potent hornet]

i'm gonna throw the free shit at her and see if i get her

i don't have wedge yet sadly

[tame sand]

because of that my BP weapon box is now useless

[lilac bloom]

hold on do the different banners have different 6* weapon pools

[potent hornet]

if i did i would probably pull her because i already have the essence

[honest hill]

ye

[lilac bloom]

i really wish they could find a way to remedy this

[tame sand]

space waster

[potent hornet]

yup

[lilac bloom]

if u dont have laev and got gilberta sig like

actually worthless

[tame sand]

even if you get laev you would pull for her sig

[lilac bloom]

yea

[tame sand]

unless you got her from 50/50s

[lilac bloom]

bc of the ult rotation

yvonnes is like the most general of the ones there i think but its still pain

[shut cobalt]

is it worth leveling fortmaker/obj for these 2 even when theyre the most likely to be replaced soon?

[drifting quest]

hard to say

if you dont need to invest then dont

[potent hornet]

i don't think wolf will get replaced

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[frozen tide]

Obj is kinda ass

[shut cobalt]

needed for 232% charge tho

[frozen tide]

Fort is a pretty good stat stick

I know they are bis I just mean that

[shut cobalt]

oh, as a general weapon u mean

[frozen tide]

In the grand scheme of things

[shut cobalt]

i c i c

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[tame sand]

fortmaker is very hard to replace, the only ult charging weapon so far

some support can always use it

[frozen tide]

Fort also gives intensity

All in all a very nice 5 star option

[shut cobalt]

so i could level it and still use it later incase i build some other char?

[frozen tide]

Tho thermite existing is kind of a kicker for it

[tame sand]

yeah pretty much, thou

[shut cobalt]

thats another problem, but u only have 1 of it as f2p unless u luck it out on a banner

[tame sand]

thermite is not universal

[frozen tide]

Thermite effect is so good any char with sp gen wants it

[shut cobalt]

they could very well just do a char that gens sp that doesnt use swords tho

[frozen tide]

Yeah

They could

[shut cobalt]

btw, what are the akekuri charge breakpoints?
with laev ofc
just incase i get near a charge breakpoint when i max the weapon i'll just artifice a few

[bronze plume]

i vote for a handcannon user that shots teammates in the head and it gives mad sp but kills them because they just got shot in the head

[drifting quest]

durians

gross

[shut cobalt]

if theres one near that specific thing

with this that is

[tame sand]

wulf is so close

[bronze plume]

no hes not he doesnt gen sp at all

he just has the handcannon

in the same vein you can say yvonne is close

[tame sand]

he would gen sp if he did shoot teammates in the head

but he didnt pull the trigger

[bronze plume]

right...

[tame sand]

too indecisive

[proud vector]

Wulf is Flourite

Except he has half the combo attack CD

[bronze plume]

flourite if she was usable and arguably as hot

[proud vector]

I wouldn’t say it’s arguable even as a guy

[bronze plume]

im sure there are some people that saw wulf point the gun at endmin and go "i can fix him <3"

[tame sand]

"some"

this scene made CN community go ape shit lmao

[shut cobalt]

whats the next charge breakpoint of maxed fortbreaker (once i do that ofc) and non artificed gear?
i assume this is the bis setup based on pins

[proud vector]

Who dis, Pog?

[shut cobalt]

akekuri

[bronze plume]

why is she on fort

[proud vector]

ehh, no thermite? That’s an oofie ouchie

[shut cobalt]

pog has thermite

[proud vector]

Oh double vanguards I fck with this

[bronze plume]

are you using ake and pog together?

[shut cobalt]

pog is on the physical team

[bronze plume]

you can switch weapons

[proud vector]

Oh more than one team boooooo

play double vanguard you coward

[shut cobalt]

for convenience i'd like not to (because i'd forget all the time to switch too )

[bronze plume]

theres no point in just not switching the weapons as we dont have anything the requires more then 1 team

[shut cobalt]

and then proceed to wonder "why are the numbers bad?" without realizing i forgot

[proud vector]

Anyways

Real answer is “lmao we can’t calculate a breakpoint for you unless we know the team and rotation”

But from experience

ALL THE ULT GEN YOU CAN LAY HANDS ON, BOI

[shut cobalt]

so just use thermite until that?

[proud vector]

MMMMMAX
Akekuri ult is bloody expensive

[bronze plume]

i mean yeah

[shut cobalt]

im waiting for panda powercreep anyways to use that team since that should be near
unless they release a 2nd team mode before then that is

[bronze plume]

da pan powercreep will just be endmin powercreep

[proud vector]

I believe in our endmin

[tame sand]

tangtang will be physical carry to powercreep dapan

[shut cobalt]

theyre similar in strength arent they

[bronze plume]

thats

[proud vector]

P5 will drop a moon on the enemy I swear (lore accurate)

[bronze plume]

the point

[shut cobalt]

i c lol

[bronze plume]

thats not our endmin thats zhongli

[proud vector]

watch Tangtang be solidify physical

[shut cobalt]

so in the end, just put thermite on akekuri and run base gear until theres harder content?

[proud vector]

…. They did post that Tangtang Estella art right?

Yeah pretty much, Akekuri makes great use out of thermite
She is just very very hungy for ult gain

[bronze plume]

i mean you may as well give her ult gain

just stack as much ult gain as you want

[shut cobalt]

she might be replaced soon too from what others said so idk if i should level it

[tame sand]

I can only come so hard

[bronze plume]

maxxing it out is obviously the best thing to do

[bronze plume]

yeah everyone will eventually get replaced so who cares

its not like lvl 9 skills are expensive

[shut cobalt]

theres not much resources rn tho which is why im holding on it

[shut cobalt]

im talking about artificing, thats capped to 40 tries per week

[bronze plume]

you get more resources as the days go on

[bronze plume]

gear is universal gang

[shut cobalt]

would another sp gen char really use the same exact gear tho?

[tame sand]

artificing is extremely marginal benefit

[bronze plume]

you dont need to be a sp gen character to want the max ult regen gear set

[tame sand]

you are better off leveling essence or skills

[oak vigil]

Not gonna lie, small theory talk, after getting trimmed for all bosses unlike in any other gacha game (in this case just ZZZ, I only played that gacha game before) I actually feel accomplished after it

Like an actual achievement to look back onto

[bronze plume]

congratulations you have gotten a shiny gold and green medal

[tame sand]

trimming feels great

[oak vigil]

:D

But yeah, thought to ask on how you all feel about it after trimming

[shut cobalt]

but the hands/body could differ based on the chars main/substats, right?
the green thingy is fine tho

[tame sand]

whats not great is you cant showcase it when visiting friends ship

people only see the pot arts

[bronze plume]

upgrade the kits then

[dry kindle]

The medal wall:

[bronze plume]

the medal wall:

[tame sand]

blocked by pot arts

[dry kindle]

No ones gonna see it but anyway

[shut cobalt]

makes sense, thanks thats all

[tame sand]

no one sees them, they run away to go sell stonks

[bronze plume]

nobody is going to go in that room for anyone anyway

[tame sand]

exactly

[bronze plume]

also

icl

i doubt literally anyone would actually care what medals or whatever anyone has on display

[oak vigil]

True

[tame sand]

doesnt matter

let me know when I made someone to look at it

just like pot art

[bronze plume]

i mean pot arts are actually interesting to look at

medals arent

[frozen tide]

To can have your medals displaued on profile

That way people will see it on their peripherals

When they click you

If its shiny enough maybe it'll catch their glimpse

[bronze plume]

i need to put my xiranite component machine back up

down to 5k sad

glimpse maxxing

[oak vigil]

Shiny enough to make a hole in the dijang itself with a magnifier

Also on the side note- Why can’t I use explosives on Dijang?

Lemme explode all around, it’s my dijang after all!

[bronze plume]

shiny enuf to use a magnifier with its shine and burn a ant hill

BURN IT TO THE GROUND

[quaint matrix]

tommorow new umbral yeeeah

some content to play with

for 5min

[bronze plume]

LIKE BURNING IT DOWN

BURN IT TO THE GROUND

anyway

[proud vector]

Don’t worry we will totally fail to stop a rift and like

Orbital drop Dijang to blow it closed

story climax trust trust

[bronze plume]

the story climax is realizing amiya is actually alive

trust

[quaint matrix]

blight got out of control. exterminate this planet endmin

[tame sand]

it would be great if dijiang blows up in the story and then there will be an event where everyone has to make parts in AIC to rebuild it globally

[proud vector]

That’s cute

[tame sand]

saw someone suggested that

[bronze plume]

endmin crease this mans jays

[proud vector]

AIC is designed to cause mass catastrophe

Mark my words

[bronze plume]

thats when we discorver oil and use it in the aic

[oak vigil]

Special new event just for American servers 🇺🇸

[summer flicker]

when can we make ram in the aic

[oak vigil]

Too expensive

[frozen tide]

Can very well

You already make industry explosives with it

[bronze plume]

na and eu are shared so

how does that work

[frozen tide]

Whats stopping endfield from making mass amounts of large explosives

[bronze plume]

nothing you can literally do that

[tame sand]

no one

you already did that in V4

[frozen tide]

Actually if endfield rly wanted they can prob just help blight spread all over

[oak vigil]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, okay I didn’t think about this one, well damn

[frozen tide]

And its joever

[bronze plume]

people have to choose if they want to be on the oil offensive side or defensive side

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/wisadel-waltuh-w-walter-arknights-gif-3812010922944326354

[oak vigil]

Like in TF2 Pyro vs Heavy poll

[eternal ruin]

.roadmap

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468631838695100592/my-toughts-after-100h-as-a-brand-new-gacha-player-v0-bqokg61ag3hg1.png?ex=6984b97c&is=698367fc&hm=1d9878061e5afb7ee7e2e8962a56f98397918e0aac3faa4bb9fe78c44e44697e&

[proud vector]

would endmin sacrifice every life on the planet if it means fixing originum and being able to reconvene people who were otherwise lost and also everyone who got sacrificed?

[tame sand]

Arcknights all over again...

thats just plagurism

[frozen tide]

Perlica gonna shank him in the back

Or try

[proud vector]

no no this time we are the bad guys and Perlica has to 1v1 Amiya

[tame sand]

well rip perlica then

[frozen tide]

If i was in endmins shoes id crush perlica to death as fast as possible painlessly

But endmin in story seems too nice

[tight haven]

i voted "YES" for perlica's on-screen death

[frozen tide]

Thats a thing?

[summer flicker]

i hate how the 73k is the bottom, almost click the 66k

[frozen tide]

Yo crazy thought endmin should wrap and pressurize perlica with originium constructs rly hard and fast

[proud vector]

Wow that scam is making rounds
Whatever automod exists is working

[frozen tide]

Turn her into a gem

To keep with him forever

[tame sand]

that was fast

[frozen tide]

Would be very wholesome i think

[proud vector]

I think it’s the anti bot “you will get banned if you post” channel they have

[midnight stirrup]

Damn

This patch flew by

[proud vector]

Wdym we still have a 3rd of it left

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

[frozen tide]

Yvonne banner not even out smh

[proud vector]

the long wait for Yvonne (to go away)

[midnight stirrup]

Its 2 days away from the third portion of the patch

[eternal ruin]

phys team essence priority after endmin?

[midnight stirrup]

Launch feels like yday

[tame sand]

oh thats what that channel is for?

[proud vector]

damn time flies when you’re having fun huh?

[tight haven]

i hope in 1.1 banners last 3 weeks

[tame sand]

bot honey pot

[proud vector]

Yep lol

[summer flicker]

surely i got yvonne sig soon

[tight haven]

🙏 please dont have three 6* per patch hg

[summer flicker]

and got to save some of this

[proud vector]

Monkey paw curls
2 characters per patch but patch is 4 weeks

[frozen tide]

What's wrong with that

Sounds fire drop them patches

[lilac bloom]

with the pull gain rn thatd be so ass 😭

[midnight stirrup]

4 weeks per patch for a game like this impossibruh

[summer flicker]

give me standard pull

smh

[lilac bloom]

fr

[proud vector]

Etchspace full reset every patch when

[midnight stirrup]

I mean they already said they were fixing pull income

Have hope yah

Theyve been doing great so far

[lilac bloom]

its weird they didnt even have standard rolls in the return currency shop

[oak vigil]

Any ideas on when they’ll start introducing regular characters instead of only limiteds though?

[lilac bloom]

oh they did? i havent heard much on dev dialogue

[proud vector]

What, 5*?

[lilac bloom]

do they have blogposts?

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah they said they were increasing pull income in the early game within the next 2 patches

[proud vector]

Dunno, there is forbidden knowledge indicating we have an incoming 5* next patch

[midnight stirrup]

It was in the same post the selector was announced in

[proud vector]

Not sure how accurate it is though

[lilac bloom]

i hope they highlight another landbreaker clan and in a positive light in the story

[midnight stirrup]

Anyone whos past early will get it by mail prayge

[lilac bloom]

selector?

[midnight stirrup]

You got a free 6-star selector no