theorycrafting

[frozen tide]

what did i post

[outer ermine]

[rare zodiac]

Your home address

[chilly bolt]

Do you mean the sp refund doesn't count for team gain ult, like if it refunds 50sp your team only gain half like 3.25 ult

[frozen tide]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uf9EV1dk2vSPoTuRjtJ4uKcytaHS64dU/view?usp=sharing

ok should be right one

[frozen tide]

wouldnt be surprised

[twilit quail]

surely we can use something better

like streamable

what is this

[lost void]

Do you guys think that skill details still lack pertinent info like cast range and aoe?

Max cast distance, cast duration, cast time delay etc.

[tight haven]

how it feels to watch people fall for 1slab laev bait

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G4wHMkVWAAAw5k1.gif

[frozen tide]

streamable is temporary isnt it?

i like having my shit last

[twilit quail]

are you going to be posting this over and over again through the next like year and beyond

[rare zodiac]

Funny how two slab is not a bait

[twilit quail]

if not

just use streamable

[frozen tide]

maybe

[tight haven]

yeah 2slab is actually like

kind of not trolling at least

[frozen tide]

all it takes is somebody arguing rite gets 6.5+16 energy from bs

[twilit quail]

even then just use fucking streamable no one wants to deal with fucking gdriev

[frozen tide]

and i whip it out

[daring dove]

YouTube.

[tight haven]

1slab just does not have a use case unless youre using like

an autoclicker to play

idfk

[frozen tide]

yt upload is even worse than drives

streamable is convinient

atleast

[chilly bolt]

I usually use streamable too

[daring dove]

Do you have potato net

[chilly bolt]

Or just post it straight here?

[twilit quail]

I mean considering the other stuff people still push

for other characters

1 slab is far from the worst crime

[tight haven]

aethertech lifeng

[frozen tide]

dont think its a matter of net it takes time for yt to actually upload even after your files are sent

its not instant

[rare zodiac]

Better than dps pog

[tight haven]

ok tbf i can understand dps pog, if you REALLY like pog

[twilit quail]

there was a video that was posted in other help channels the other day

[tight haven]

its like dps wulf

[twilit quail]

with 4x swordmancer for physical

[tight haven]

it has an audience

aethertech lifeng just does not make sense

what is the use case 💔

[frozen tide]

i love the phonk music youtube shorts that show smth "op" and it does less than a 10th of rhods hp

[daring dove]

About 4 minutes, for me I'm not part of the TikTok generation though so my attention span lasts about that long. If only barely.

[tight haven]

me when the number is over 200,000

[frozen tide]

why is attention span even in this convo

good for you bro

[twilit quail]

like when I learnt that

[tight haven]

need to flex something

[twilit quail]

the website that shall not be named

still has THOSE phys sets

dude

[tight haven]

bro i looked

at lifengs sets

[twilit quail]

it's unbelievable

[tight haven]

on that site

its disgusting

[frozen tide]

a certain bear likes that site

[tight haven]

genuinely just misinfo peddling out the wazoo

[tight haven]

my goat is allowed to have character flaws

[twilit quail]

too busy fucking fighting on twitter

over 1% damage in a shit lae rotation

to put up

a decent fucking set

for an entire fucking team

unbelievable

[daring dove]

More like joking. Flexing a 4.5 minute attention span isn't exactly the gangsta thing to do.

[frozen tide]

iana can full invest gilb kill swarm overworld mobs with 2 bs

like the bonekrushas and wuling bonekrusha equivalents

[tight haven]

dude slab gilb is real as fuck though

[twilit quail]

2 bs 1 combo yeah

[tight haven]

she hits so goddamn hard

[twilit quail]

2 bs idk if it can kill all

[tight haven]

yeah easily

with 2 bs and basics from laev

she just has so much atk

[twilit quail]

I wonder for how much longer

[frozen tide]

ok if bs bs cs kills i should be able to do gilb bs perlica bs and gilb cs

[twilit quail]

we're going to live in stanza's shadow

[tight haven]

i think stanza is the better overworld option unironically

[frozen tide]

and overworld is joever

[tight haven]

than sig

because of the atk% line

purely for that

[daring dove]

She also ults a lot less, her damage is decent but she's a support first an foremost.

[tight haven]

no gilb just does damage

[daring dove]

Maybe for 1 rot speed run.

[tight haven]

its not even a meme shes really really good at overworld

[frozen tide]

here i come m3 gilb and per bs

[rare zodiac]

Gilb have dmg? Oh overworld

[tight haven]

shes the best mob mopper yes

[twilit quail]

anyway I cant wait to see what happens next in electric

fucking

kicking avy

[frozen tide]

does gilbs multipliers hit multiple times

[twilit quail]

for XAIHI

[tight haven]

also works very nicely w laev because you can build 4 stacks easily since it doesnt apply nature until the blast

[tight haven]

1 time

[oak vigil]

FINALLYYYYYYY (I still can't trim Rhodagn with this team 💔 )

[tight haven]

her cskill is one hit

her bskill is multiple hits

her ult is also 1 hit

[daring dove]

I mean Laevatain 1 shots everything in overworld even with ult gain build pretty much. An her ult lasts forever in overworld. You just be doing random builds but it's fun to explore I guess.

[frozen tide]

huh then how does she have high dmg with these mults

is her atk through the roof?

[tight haven]

slab

will main stat is just very silly

[frozen tide]

[twilit quail]

correct main and sub

with +main attr

[tight haven]

yea

[frozen tide]

what does it do

[tight haven]

shares a main stat with slab

slab is 1will 2int

[twilit quail]

idk +ATK%

is just beyond fked

this game is never going to recover

from this hellscape

stanza is going to run the game

for 10 yrs

[daring dove]

What is this team DPS Antal

[frozen tide]

ah

[daring dove]

Still congratz on clear

[frozen tide]

what chest and gloves do you run with 2 slab berta

[tight haven]

yeah atk% is just super gnarly

[drifting quest]

ttds

[twilit quail]

it's just like

xiranite chest(stats)

fire hands(stats)

that's literally it

[tight haven]

not having atk% on your weapon as a hypercarry actually puts you down a fair margin unless you have fucked dps

[twilit quail]

dude

if yvonne

[frozen tide]

xira chest is good for dmg?

[tight haven]

especially since atkL is 37%

[twilit quail]

had atk% on anything

ok wait hang on

let me

math this

[daring dove]

39

[tight haven]

it is really fucking funny she had three shots at atkL anywhere

and whiffed all three times

not on sig not on fake sig not on wedge

[twilit quail]

that's a uhh

11% damage increase

amazing

ok wait if you had that

[daring dove]

Also I think Yvonne especially if you have her potentials maybe the only character that maybe gains more from CR than ATK%. But it would be really really close.

[twilit quail]

would 2 crit kits be better

lemme see

[oak vigil]

YES

my bad forgot caps

[tight haven]

go antal main go

[oak vigil]

It’s more of a Antal/Perlica/Arclight dps team because they all 3 get all of the bonus damage due to also being electric, while Gilby gets like uhhh 50%?

[twilit quail]

hahahahaha no holy shit

crit is so bad

[drifting quest]

Yvonne 1.1 adjustments trust

[rare zodiac]

How much does it drop

If crit kit?

[tight haven]

it would be funny as hell if we wake up to yvonne buffs in a day from now

i support it too

[twilit quail]

if sig has atk% instead of cr% in line 2, and we compared 1 slab 1 crit to 2 crit

2 crit is losing 7%

[daring dove]

It's not terrible on Yvonne since her potentials boost her CD, but for pretty much everyone else (except maybe Ember with CR weapon) it's really really bad.

[twilit quail]

which is uhh

[rare zodiac]

Crit is even ass on a crit oriented char

[twilit quail]

approximately as much as it would lose with the unchnaged stats

one discovery is that uhh

bonecrusher mask

is kinda good for navigator

with a good stagger timeline on p5 nav you can get an impressive 94% performance

with mask

that's quite good

[daring dove]

I think on Ember Sundred Prince, fully essenced out & fully artificed may scale better with CR set but that's only a working assumption. An there's no way I'm putting that much investment into Ember to find out.

[stiff eagle]

Would it not be easier just to math it out rather then dump a million resources into ember

[drifting quest]

yes it would be

[daring dove]

Sheets usually have bad assumptions in my experience. Something real game-play better highlights. But it's certainly better than the complete shot in the dark I'm currently working from. Although I'm usually fairly close with my head-math.

[leaden mantle]

how would you develop a rotation for a perlica dps team that has ardelia-antal-akekuri in it? before them getting their ults.

[twilit quail]

do we

need to use those units specifically

[unreal light]

Antal BS, Final Strike, comboes, Ardelia BS, Perlica BS up to 4 stacks

And you have to deal with electro infliction somehow

you have to create combustion with ake BS at some point of time (which sounds like a SP waste for said team), to be able to set up the corrosion into susc from Ardelia

replacing Ardelia with Gilberta or Akekuri with Arclight also does the job

[outer ermine]

ive critted more times rage ultin this mf than cs, 3 times now

[ebon vigil]

guys am I crazy or is the grass actually green

[tall swift]

grass being green is a theory

[daring dove]

This time of the year usually a more brownish colour.

[ebon vigil]

see because the more you think about it the more green it becomes

and at the end of the day

it’s night

[torn flame]

does anyone know if never rest's effect counts as amp

for the purposes of utilizing the xiranite set

[drifting quest]

does it say amp

[outer ermine]

figured out how to reduce shit ai rng camera is doing gods work

[frozen tide]

it says physical dmg dealt

[drifting quest]

i know

[frozen tide]

no problem brohamster

i know you appreciate it

[outer ermine]

wait i oneshot dorito w/o perlica ult stanza now

[frozen tide]

with 3 stack cs?

noice

[outer ermine]

just ult

i can actually do the cs cancel thingy here too

just for freeze dmg

[frozen tide]

if you cant 3 stack cs kill a dorito phase 100 0

your lr is not built enough smh

[outer ermine]

gotta save cs for phase 2

lemme no buff this

[torn flame]

i tested it to see if the game counts it as amp even tho it does not say it is but xira does not work on pog. I was just under the assumption amp was synonymous with element damage buff and phys is its own thing so maybe its a thing.

[outer ermine]

no buff no crit lmao

[drifting quest]

amp is a specific buff type

[torn flame]

yea ig the game is really good about specific wording i was just curious and thought i was cooking lol

[frozen tide]

amp is amp and susc is susc

i found that to help a lot identifying mult brackets

[outer ermine]

surely 52s dorito w this

[frozen tide]

have you done solo rite dorito yet

[outer ermine]

casually yea

2mins on dot

[frozen tide]

🔥

idk if i wanna blow my brains out doing p1 p1 lr solo trims

[outer ermine]

this, but messing up a run is insta eat ginseng again so im not doing that shit

is there one out there already

the one iana showed yesterday was pretty nice, meteor pull to jump over 2 waves. mob kill could use work but thats ez

spawn is left to right so hit middle and pull to right since right mobs will be stationary

oh wait im fuckin dum i already dont use perlica ult

has it been that long

rhod brainrot

[warm galleon]

I'm waiting for yvon sig before I do any trim, one reason is I don't want to lv 90 a wedge gun

I have not even done lv 60s yet

[frozen tide]

high pot wedge>low pot sig

[midnight stirrup]

Tf does perlica ult even do

Other than stagger damage

Oh wait stanza

[outer ermine]

stanza

[midnight stirrup]

I keep forgetting

[outer ermine]

i wanna use gil

[warm galleon]

1k% dmg multiplier with 30% crit rate if p5 with 30% dmg vs stagger

Well 800 at lv 9

[outer ermine]

u can have my wedges fr

800%

[frozen tide]

mf done m3d xai bs

[outer ermine]

15%

[frozen tide]

🐳

[outer ermine]

huge trust

[frozen tide]

all in the name of 2 percent

[warm galleon]

Xaihi is my only m3

Cause I can still use her on nature dps

[frozen tide]

i have her ult m3d and finished artificing

ion think imma m3 bs still

[outer ermine]

xai pfp smh u should m12

[warm galleon]

I mean Xaihi is the main operator

M3 dat basic

[outer ermine]

i did consider cs

but im not insane enuf yet

[frozen tide]

ngl i sorta regret m12ing lr

shoulda left her m6

[pine wadi]

me regretting artificing 3 different pieces of armor for LR cuz none of them are better than the other

[outer ermine]

its fineish tbh, we still have surplus crowns

[pine wadi]

gryph really ragebaiting us with so many "ok" options for her chestpiece

[outer ermine]

unless no bp

[pine wadi]

why couldn't they just have given us a STR Will armor with bonus combo/ult dmg

evil mfs

[stiff eagle]

I mean yinglun or whatever it’s called technically is strength will and boosts combo damage

[pine wadi]

yinglung is will main which is why it's a bit sad

[outer ermine]

ill do u one better, xai uses 3 of these chests

[pine wadi]

bonekrusha is also will 1 str 2

[frozen tide]

Im poor on sanity

[pine wadi]

the only armor with str 1 will 2 is aethertech but without consistent staggers LR doesn't use it very well

[frozen tide]

[outer ermine]

i forgor those cost a shit ton of mats mb

[frozen tide]

I wanna get gilberta m4 atleast

I can't even get 6 9 9 9 rn

Broke af

[outer ermine]

u m3ing cs? m1ult

[frozen tide]

Yeah

M3 only for overworld

I wanna be able to 1 gilb bs 1 perli bs 1 gilb cs and clear everything

[pine wadi]

waiting for sanity event

[outer ermine]

-1s too big

[frozen tide]

Oh no m3 bs

[pine wadi]

i'm gonna max artifice frontiers to see whether yinglung or frontiers does more overall damage in one rotation on LR

[outer ermine]

oh

[stiff eagle]

Is this for essence farming?

[pine wadi]

i'm convinced that frontiers is screenshot propaganda

[frozen tide]

Cause m3 cs and ult makes sense for bosses

[bronze plume]

hello

[frozen tide]

But like i mog all the bosses already

Might as well go for qol

[silk monolith]

I have level 90 on Endmin, Perlica, and Chen with level 90 weapons. With their skills shown as such. Working on max essences ok them at the moment.

Forgot to post proof. Also, R5 Sundering Steel on Chen as well.

[outer ermine]

overworld mastery tho

might tempt me sometime i nthe future

[bronze plume]

thats uhh cool i guess?

[silk monolith]

Worth it for the main trio.

[frozen tide]

so troll that perlica is unusable with phys

[outer ermine]

imma take a break from rhod this spaced grinding is killing me

[frozen tide]

when endmin and chen are such good phys units

[outer ermine]

over 2 weeks is crazy cuz of only 2hr grinds

[gritty briar]

that's what they made wild wanderer for

[silk monolith]

I literally beat all of the boss challenges and Umbral with those three plus Ardelia.

[bronze plume]

yeah the game aint hard

[silk monolith]

I haven't even built my Laevatain team yet.

[frozen tide]

i mean

when i say unusable

i just mean close to no synergy

nothing is unusable in this game

pick any 4 units in the game

and they make a usable team

literally any 4

does not matter

[silk monolith]

Word.

[lean pawn]

Uuuuh...

[outer ermine]

whel

[lean pawn]

synergy does matter

You wouldnt put ice with fire

This aint genshin to melt

[glacial jackal]

True

[bronze plume]

combo skill synergy is defo something you should at least go for

[lean pawn]

@silk monolithHey I know you!

[frozen tide]

better team/better synergy is better

[silk monolith]

What?

[frozen tide]

but you can beat the game without problem with anything

only reason i even brought this up

is because when i said perlica is unusable with phys

someone said they cleared everything with phys+perlica

which like

is fair enough

since you can beat the game with any team comp which is why i brought up my subsequent points

[gritty briar]

he's not aware of the insane perlica phys synergy

[frozen tide]

🔥

awesome synergy

[silk monolith]

Nice.

[frozen tide]

will increase the teams output by like a solid 2 percent against groups

wait theres a full body perli fumo?

[silk monolith]

Back to essence farming.

[frozen tide]

omg

[silk monolith]

I got one on Endmin. Need good ones on Perlica and Chen, too.

I'm tryna make them all do serious damage together.

[final plume]

how long do we have to continue our basic attack after a dodge?

[frozen tide]

if you tap dodge itll always continue

unless your name is ember

and you cancelled fs before it hit

the only exception i know is ember

no joke

[final plume]

yes but I wanna know the exact time, it feels like 1 to 2 seconds

[drifting quest]

quite a few units can cancel their chain with dodges

[frozen tide]

like full restart the chain?

[drifting quest]

yes

[frozen tide]

huh

who do you know of

[frozen tide]

like ur in seq 3 but cancel and back to seq 1?

cause thats the way with ember

if you cancel fs at a bad timing

[drifting quest]

like all greatsword users can have it happen iirc
i think it can happen to like avywenna

[frozen tide]

i have never had it happen on lr

[drifting quest]

endmin it can happen to

[frozen tide]

never

[drifting quest]

its specific sequences and specific parts of the sequences

[frozen tide]

and i do some weird shit with cancels

[drifting quest]

generally harder to do it than not do it

but possible

[frozen tide]

i see

still cursed that it can happen so easily and feasably with ember

all it takes is dodging while you are a certain amount into fs anim

and ur back to seq 1

[midnight stirrup]

Got P2 Gilberta

Oops

[final plume]

so no one timed it before to know the exact time or its different for every op?

[frozen tide]

have you ever managed to full restart a lr btk cycle with tap dodge

[bronze plume]

me when i summon on the current limited banner and say oops when i get the current limited character

[frozen tide]

shuo saying its possible but ive never done it

[midnight stirrup]

Me when I take my comment serious when theyre not serious

[midnight stirrup]

Wait wdym

[bronze plume]

at least make a comment that doesnt make you sound like yo iq is lowering

[frozen tide]

like you dodge while you are into battle attack sequence

any

[midnight stirrup]

Ill do that when you stop being bitter every chance u get

[frozen tide]

and it restarts the sequence fully from 0

[midnight stirrup]

[bronze plume]

lmfao

[faint fiber]

I'm always cosplaying Kal'Sit. Bitter and not angry, just disappointed.

[midnight stirrup]

Uh

Like dodging during BA resets to BA1?

[frozen tide]

ye

[midnight stirrup]

Ive had moments yeah where it does that

[frozen tide]

huh

with 1 tap dodge?

[midnight stirrup]

But I wouldnt be able to tell you the condition for that to happen

[frozen tide]

interesting

[outer ermine]

tf how

[drifting quest]

'bitter and not angry'
did you ask kazdel if that's true

[frozen tide]

maybe i should mess around with it a bunch

[outer ermine]

i blame tap

[frozen tide]

cant recall it ever happening

[midnight stirrup]

What do u want me to test

[faint fiber]

Angerly-disappointed 🤔

[midnight stirrup]

Ill try it out

[drifting quest]

clueless

[frozen tide]

i havent the faintest clue what exactly to test

other than just btking

[midnight stirrup]

Like dodge during every BA string?

[frozen tide]

and dashing at different points of sequences

[midnight stirrup]

Ok chotto

[frozen tide]

dodge during a different timing of every string

you dont have to lmao

tedious af and borderline useless info

[outer ermine]

it should only reset if u ba too late after dodging

even ba4 after u see the line on ground u can cancel to fs, anything b4 that u just keep resetting to 4

[final plume]

alright did a bit of testing for Lae, dont know if its accurate but it seems longer than 1 second but less than 2, could be just one second though

[midnight stirrup]

I tested every string but didnt reset

Must be a different condition for it to happen

[frozen tide]

ill test for a bit

[frigid vector]

I'm

[final plume]

did you guys also time it?

[midnight stirrup]

Maybe as simple as this ngl

[frigid vector]

half sure this is due to character movement

as in

[frozen tide]

could you elaborate

[frigid vector]

if you hold directional

tends to cause like a mini walk

and if that happens it breaks the string

[drifting quest]

i think its a combination of movement and like

[frigid vector]

I think I had an example in one of my vids let me see if I can find it

[drifting quest]

some weird interaction with lag frames

[midnight stirrup]

Lin I saw ur video recommended to me on my timeline

Had me go like "Hey, I know that guy"

[drifting quest]

since it tends to happen whenever you have these large swings that pause a bit longer before the next hit

[modest thorn]

also on this topic, is there a dodge that speeds up the basic attack sequence for laevatain?

[drifting quest]

its why it seems to happen so much more for like greatsword units

im assuming at least

[midnight stirrup]

Probably yeah

[outer ermine]

this is why u hold ba

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/qkTAgunOmWc?si=BYN_jYJm0oOsEqHE&t=420

7:00

[outer ermine]

hold propaganda

[frigid vector]

battle skill should store the sequence

dodging after retains this

[frigid vector]

but it cancels it out due to side movement I believe

it feels like some strings have a much earlier cancel point of sorts for this

I get it with perlica b3 constantly

but never with avy or ember for example

[midnight stirrup]

Btw how many vuln stacks is Gilb able to get in LR comp at P2? I assume 2 with combo

Or am I missunderstanding

[frigid vector]

I mean if you're running perlica you can build it indefinitely

their combo skill CDs align so if you get one from electrification you can just keep going

[midnight stirrup]

Electri gives vuln?

[frigid vector]

no but electrification is a reaction

which triggers gilb combo

[midnight stirrup]

Oh thats what u mean

[frigid vector]

so you can just build it eternally if you have some kind of timestop

[final plume]

could you guys also time it
would like to know how much time we have exactly to continue basic attack after a dodge or if perfect dodge gives more time stuff like that

[midnight stirrup]

Vuln and arts can exist together right

[frigid vector]

which you get with xaihi combo and/or LR combo

aye

[midnight stirrup]

Hmm

Does my rot change anyway with p2

Rn its like

[drifting quest]

phys infliction (vuln) doesnt react with arts inflictions
reactions can coexist with everything

[midnight stirrup]

Like this kinda

[frigid vector]

gilb p2 shouldn't change rotations, just that you can make do with 3 stack

[outer ermine]

happens alot w xai fs too

[frigid vector]

holy mobile enjoyer

[midnight stirrup]

My ps5 is at my moms

Have to cope rn

Mobile sucks ass ngl

[frozen tide]

oh yeah

[outer ermine]

the beam is airborne so theres few cases where that shit will just reset ur ba even if it doesnt hit the ground while u dodge

[frozen tide]

have you guys seen how much gilb can anim cancel btk

you can do seq one and then cancel the rest

and skip to fs

[midnight stirrup]

Nani

[frozen tide]

sub 3 second fs every time even with my shit execution

[midnight stirrup]

Wait onfield gilb in LR???

[frozen tide]

i recon close to 2.5 is possible

[midnight stirrup]

Chotto

Let him cook

[frozen tide]

2.5 second fs is nuts but it takes so much stam

[midnight stirrup]

How I do it

[frozen tide]

you let first attack go

and at the start of second attack

you dodge

and btk after starts at the next sequence

you dodge at the start of that

and then you do fs

[midnight stirrup]

Boi

[frozen tide]

cancel recovery of fs

with dodge

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine Is this profit

[final plume]

deym im getting this treatment huh

[midnight stirrup]

Damn

Is that stanza bad guy

[frozen tide]

bro searched his name on the search bar

[midnight stirrup]

Me when insecure

[outer ermine]

question is always gonna be, is it faster than xai i can try tho

[frozen tide]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[midnight stirrup]

I mean seems like it

Go test

If Schling right

[outer ermine]

rotation is so short the stamina wont matter, if its enuf then doable to implement

[midnight stirrup]

Schling really is our Xaihi

[frozen tide]

its faster but takes a lot of stam

ok idk how their fs cancels compare but to get to fs

[midnight stirrup]

I still wanna know if there is a frame in which u can consume stacks and get corrosion

[frozen tide]

at minimum

[midnight stirrup]

Would be cracked

[frozen tide]

gilb is faster

we can do this guys

we can achieve

sub 10 rhod

and rhodagan per minute standard

will be 6

[frigid vector]

RPM is one hell of a metric to go by lmao

[outer ermine]

poor guy

[frozen tide]

OK BUT UNIRONICALLY

its a good metric

the use case ive seen for it is just for theoretical perfect rotation dps

or rpm

[drifting quest]

just reworded dps

mimimi

funny though

[frozen tide]

also more intuitive

smaller numbers are easier to grasp and compare

esp with a direct comparison

rhodagan

who everyone has fought

2000000 dps is hard to understand what does it even mean does it even matter

[outer ermine]

imagine being barely able to trim rhod then someone pulls up 6rhod per min

[frozen tide]

but approx 1 rhod per min?

thats intuitive

easy to understand

straight to the point

and also a good metric to dissuade ppl saying x comp x unit isnt bad i killed rhod in x seconds

you can be like

[tame sand]

is rhod a measurement unit now

[frozen tide]

you barely got past 1 rhod per min

[tame sand]

rhod/minute

[frozen tide]

ppl easily get 2.5 rhod per min with this diff comp

[stiff eagle]

Anything but the metric system

[frozen tide]

smaller metrics with direct comparisons are more intuitive to understand

all im arguing

[midnight stirrup]

Can probably one shot with a little more investment

[outer ermine]

wait this might be funni if i can bacancel my way out of the jump to avoid slowtime

[frozen tide]

chopping cs dmg by converting to corro

probs results in higher overall dmg

can u test

[modest thorn]

what is the usual lr rhodagn skip comp?

[midnight stirrup]

Ill try

[frozen tide]

what was it

xai ard gilb?

yeah that sounds right now

[modest thorn]

damn perlica getting dropped :c

[frozen tide]

theres variations and its not smth everyone does

[modest thorn]

i guess she is too expensive

[frozen tide]

anyhow

[modest thorn]

30k 😔

[frozen tide]

she asks for it every damn day

[modest thorn]

[frozen tide]

10 million a year

[modest thorn]

i think its closer to 360k a year

[frozen tide]

you need to be a billionaire to sustain perlica

30x30x12x1000

or more accurately

30x365x1000

almost 11 mil

[ancient drift]

This gilb quick fs with animation cancel is crazy.. thx to bring that up

[modest thorn]

evil perlica is for the streets

holy perlica is for the endmin

[frozen tide]

i mean

perlicas ult

is literally an orbital strike

ofc shes expensive

[modest thorn]

she has an ankle monitor she can't be that expensive to bail out everytime

[frozen tide]

11 mil is cheap when she like casts 3 orbital strikes every fight

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide lower

[frozen tide]

hmm

any chance you can delay ult

[midnight stirrup]

Like LR ult?

[frozen tide]

ig its because rite cs gives susc

which gets multiplied by ult

[midnight stirrup]

Yea her combo is crazy

Big multiplier per stack too

[frozen tide]

and you lose out on a lot of dmg from chopping the combo

it takes 10 secs for corrosion to fully mature

[midnight stirrup]

Im pretty sure if I max essence gilb and perlica weapon tho

I might be able to one shot

And articife xaihi to have more int

[midnight stirrup]

Yea no thats cope im not doing allat

[tranquil burrow]

I really need Yvonne, that's the first time I'm sad I didn't lose any 50/50 yet, her banner is too long to wait..
She's just so much above other characters.

[midnight stirrup]

I can kill the boss already by then

[frozen tide]

what int is your xai int at whel

[hearty tree]

So rotation is:

Xaihi Skill > FS x 2 > Perli CS > Xaihi CS > Xaihi Ult > Perli Ult > LR CS > Gibby CS > Cryo Consume > Gibby Ult > LR Ult

[frozen tide]

well it shouldnt take 10 seconds for the buff to out weigh cs susc since the formula for res shred is absurd

idk how many seconds it would take

probs not worth anyhow

basically res is a multiplier to dmg

and standard res mult is like 0.8

[midnight stirrup]

I mean I can try

[frozen tide]

what corrosion does

[midnight stirrup]

How long u want me to wait

[frozen tide]

is adds directly to the res mult

[tranquil burrow]

Well no other Characters do above 1 Million dmg hits

[hearty tree]

Ramping up Res Shred

[frozen tide]

as long as you can without forcing phase skip

[midnight stirrup]

Chile

Okay

[leaden mantle]

When arc light absorbs the electrification is that debuff just gone? (Accidental ping)

[frozen tide]

ive heard claims that yvonne can hit past mil

havent seen it in person

[tranquil burrow]

Yvonne is doing multiple hits so that's incomaprable

[frozen tide]

wouldnt be too surprised if i do see it

[tranquil burrow]

They don't even do 20% her dmg

[frozen tide]

mmm powerful

yvonne isnt terrible just subpar

well

unless you consider the dogshit qol

[tranquil burrow]

Wulfgard can do dmg past Mil too

I really like Wulfgard battle skill

Not very consistent tho

[hearty tree]

How many hits does Yvonne get to do ideally in her ult?

[tranquil burrow]

I have no Idea since she has been nerfed

[frozen tide]

you basically have to stagger bosses before ultingj

[hearty tree]

Like ramp up ASPD

And Full buff ASPD

[frozen tide]

not optional rly

[tranquil burrow]

Ult Duration been reduced but she gets super armor in return

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide impossible before phase lowkey

[frozen tide]

tho ngl

[oak vigil]

Yvonne if she locked tf in and inserted nuclear bombs into her guns to deal that damage per bullet

[frozen tide]

what even is the point of cs

if you alr have ult

and are gonna turn to corrosion

just thought of that

if you need it for stagger

just use it as late as you can

[midnight stirrup]

Combo is like 40% of ur total damage

[tranquil burrow]

Oh that's why it's so big, it makes sense

[midnight stirrup]

Oh wait

Ik what u mean

[frozen tide]

not if you chop the cryo anyw

[midnight stirrup]

Im just testing the ult dps

[tranquil burrow]

They should have done the same for other characters like Endmin, Last Rite and others

[midnight stirrup]

Im too lazy to check again rn tho

[frozen tide]

yeah its chill

i can test myself soon anyw

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine Can u 4 stack with my team above and not use combo but use gilb ult to corrosion wait couple secs then ult on last rite

[frozen tide]

i got gilb finally

just need to build her

[midnight stirrup]

My goat proud of u

[tranquil burrow]

I really don't like Yvonne art style, but I do enjoy the dmg and the gameplay xd

[frozen tide]

guess at what number i got her at

[midnight stirrup]

67

[frozen tide]

number of pulls

115

[tranquil burrow]

I'm at 120 for Gilb

[midnight stirrup]

5 pulls saved

Worth

[frozen tide]

i would have preffered 120

[midnight stirrup]

I mean yeah

Last rite copy wouldve been nice

[tranquil burrow]

I got Lifeng Copy 🙁

[frozen tide]

i got laev at 50

[midnight stirrup]

Im 90 pulls away from the dupe guarantee

[tranquil burrow]

Well at least it's 5% Phy Susc

[midnight stirrup]

But p3 kinda whatever

So ill prob skip

[frozen tide]

its either p2 or p4

[tranquil burrow]

Also the fun fact of Lifeng P1 is you can apply/reset the Phy Susc up to 2 Vulnerability stacks

Now I have to try Endmin Pog Lifeng team

[frozen tide]

get that lif p2 champ

[tranquil burrow]

Anyone knows why they added on Gilberta Art Susc based on Vuln Stacks ? It's so stupid

[midnight stirrup]

Isnt p3 and p4 the same thing

One increases ult gain the other ult charge needed

[midnight stirrup]

Cause she applies vuln

[frozen tide]

no

[tranquil burrow]

Well if the Boss is alive for 40 mins it might be interesting xd

[midnight stirrup]

They will be

Were in 1.0

[frozen tide]

They are same in that they both make you get ult faster

[midnight stirrup]

[frozen tide]

Very different otherwise

P3 does also increase team gain

But p4 in terms of gilb herself getting ult

Is much much stronger

[midnight stirrup]

Souka

[tranquil burrow]

Are y'all playing Cryo Chars because Xaihi is Goat?

[frozen tide]

Straight up

[tranquil burrow]

It's the Endfield Bennett

[midnight stirrup]

No I play cryo because Last Rite is the only goodlooking char in the game besides Gilb

[bronze plume]

no she isnt

bennett in genshin was used in like 99% of teams

[midnight stirrup]

Dropping LR as soon as Rossi drops tho

[drifting quest]

xaihi isnt amazing honestly

[bronze plume]

xaihi is the coping mechanism cryo is using to even be useable

[drifting quest]

when you look at her kit

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/dropping-the-toy-andy-woody-toy-story-2-discarding-the-toy-gif-18416123041951678616

[tranquil burrow]

Well it's because they learned from Genshin and Nerfed her to the ground

[drifting quest]

the rest is just so much worse its unreal

[frozen tide]

How so

[tranquil burrow]

Before instead of giving Cryo Susc she was granting up to 120% atk to the whole team

[drifting quest]

wdym

[bronze plume]

they nerfed her because she was stupidly op in the betas

[drifting quest]

she has a bunch of caveats

[bronze plume]

same reason they nerfed akekuri and arclight

[indigo pine]

the real power diff is that
cryo gets xaihi (pretty cute)
elec gets antal, rock lizard lookin dude

[midnight stirrup]

Antal is cool

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840621975943774271/1426182512664641536/durin-gif.gif

[frozen tide]

🤔

[indigo pine]

😭

[drifting quest]

the xaihi nerf was pretty rough

[frozen tide]

The sheer amp is pretty absurd by itself

[tame sand]

so you have to pull for her p2/p4

[bronze plume]

yeah it didnt need to be that much

[tranquil burrow]

Xaihi gameplay is the worst

[drifting quest]

it was the uptime getting gutted

[indigo pine]

i mean i wouldnt call it a nerf, anything before live released is not balanced, they pretty much "nerfed" everything if u wanna call it that

[drifting quest]

the buff was fine to be nerfed

[tranquil burrow]

But her buffs on Beta was so stupidly strong she could have been the Bennett of this game

[drifting quest]

but 5s uptime is lmao

[indigo pine]

but if they nerf everything is anything really nerfed

[drifting quest]

especially with yvonne

[bronze plume]

yes

[midnight stirrup]

Maygi

[bronze plume]

also they didnt nerf everything

[drifting quest]

like how did they look at yvonne and then ruin xaihi uptime for her

[midnight stirrup]

Why did u leave Klee behind smh

[bronze plume]

just cuz a game is in beta doesnt mean that you cant nerf a character

[midnight stirrup]

[leaden mantle]

Is Gilberta worth getting for a Perlica hyper carry team? Currently am using Ardelia, akekuri, and antal.

[indigo pine]

😭 bc genshin boring klee still my fav though

[midnight stirrup]

True

[bronze plume]

thats the whole point of a beta is to test and nerf or buff stuff for the full release to try make a game balanced (granted gachas are never balanced)

[frozen tide]

Her ult is 12 and bs is 25 its just talent 10 percent cryo dmg thats 5 secs

[midnight stirrup]

Did you see the statue of the seven Klee

[drifting quest]

talent used to be 15s

[indigo pine]

yes, perlica has giga burst and gilberta is great at amping it

[bronze plume]

clearly they shoulda buffed ember with 5000% extra dmg multipliers on all hits

[indigo pine]

i have not !!!

[midnight stirrup]

Chotto

[frozen tide]

Idk maybe im too rite pilled but i do not see how xaihi isn't amazing

[tranquil burrow]

Laevatain on Beta was worst than a 4 star character

She went from zero to hero

[midnight stirrup]

@indigo pine

[indigo pine]

oh thats cute lol

[midnight stirrup]

Ikr

[indigo pine]

well we have rossi coming here shes like almost the same right

[midnight stirrup]

IM SAYING

[drifting quest]

stop giving xaihi ideal situations

[midnight stirrup]

Started Genshin for Klee, started AKEF for Rossi

[bronze plume]

the same as what klee?

[tranquil burrow]

On Beta 1 she could do 30k dmg fully built and min-maxed

[indigo pine]

yeah

[bronze plume]

i mean no

[frozen tide]

she just works so damn well with rite

[indigo pine]

similar color similar gremlin size

[bronze plume]

klee is just a kid who doesnt know better whos parents arent around

[midnight stirrup]

You wouldnt get it unless ur a Klee main

[bronze plume]

and likes explosions like most kids

[midnight stirrup]

[leaden mantle]

Does it stack with Ardelia art’s susceptiblilty or is it the highest value that’s applied?

[indigo pine]

yes, they stack together

[hearty tree]

until those explosives can reshape the terrain

[bronze plume]

she stills likes them cuz she doesnt know any better

[tranquil burrow]

Everyone like Rossi, I feel lonely being a fan of Wulfgard

[bronze plume]

she doesnt understand her full potential type shit

[midnight stirrup]

Wulfgard is fine

[hearty tree]

True

[midnight stirrup]

But hes a 5 star

[frozen tide]

lone wolf over here

[leaden mantle]

So you can just do 45% arts suspitibility?

[summer flicker]

tangtang enjoyer

[tame sand]

where is your arlight in perlica carry team?

[tranquil burrow]

He got he's nice lvl 90 Clannibal 🫡

[midnight stirrup]

Bro building chars is so slow

Sheesh

I wanna move to Laev but ugh

[summer flicker]

i havent maxed 1 team yet

[tame sand]

just ignore 80->90 then you can invest in more teams

[tranquil burrow]

Yes it's... well if you build a team better stick to it for a moment.. like few months

[tame sand]

I have 5 teams to play with

[indigo pine]

a lot more actually but yeah

[summer flicker]

i mean i spread the resource out to make dijang better

[hearty tree]

I've nearly maxed out LR, mostly built Fluorite, and now building Yvonne

It's pain

[midnight stirrup]

Im def minmaxing LR first so im good for a couple patches

And then do Laev

[leaden mantle]

Is it best to use her? Because of the ult, that consumes the inflection and provides electrification?

[tranquil burrow]

Went on Laev so I can min max Wulfgard too

[leaden mantle]

And I guess the sp generation?

[summer flicker]

Maygi did you calc how much better yvonne p1 for yvonne rotation

[tranquil burrow]

But I'm replacing Laev whenever I get a better Fire Main dps

I need Rossi to assist my Wulfgard tho

[indigo pine]

i was about to run potential calcs rn but p1 is hardly for dps and also won't give enough energy to go 0 -> 100 on 1x 4 combo

[tranquil burrow]

It's lore accurate

[drifting quest]

p1 yvonne is so weird

simultaneously an insanely good pot and a useless pot

[indigo pine]

but, itll make it so you don't need a 6th skill before ulting, because normally you'd be left at 219/220 energy

[tranquil burrow]

P1 Yvonne doesn't feel good to me

[bronze plume]

yvonne herself is in a weird state tbf

[indigo pine]

and if you don't get many dodges, that can save like ~5s+ on rotations

[drifting quest]

like p1 yvonne opens up a couple new rotations that are cool but

[indigo pine]

because you are actually bottlenecked on sp there

[drifting quest]

she's just so gimped as a unit they arent even really that good

[tame sand]

Perlica carry team is Perlica/arclight/Gil/any. Hlaf of the team damage output is from Arclight's skill, so you just keep applying elec then consume with Arclight's skill

[bronze plume]

last rite and yvonne are both fighting for who is the best cryo team and who has the most r34

[indigo pine]

the thing with perlica carry team is you can also just run her with avy as normal and have both of them do great dmg together

[tranquil burrow]

If I was Crazy I would go for P5 Yvonne to get the Crit Dmg because I like this kind of Stat but It's such a waste of ressource I'm prob keeping her P0

[indigo pine]

😭

[hearty tree]

But if Electrification is consumed, Arts Taken debuffed is also removed, roght?

[leaden mantle]

So you don’t rely on the electrification damage? You do it to get sp?

[drifting quest]

Yvonne sure aint in one of those fights

[ancient drift]

Gilb fs animation cancel, around 2seg faster than my Xaihi, but I’m slow as fk, probably someone can do better… But I take it…

[tame sand]

I feel like the first one isnt a fight

[bronze plume]

exactly

[tranquil burrow]

Why don't we wait for Wuling Tianshi to get a 6* Electric Mdps

[indigo pine]

i tried cooking yvonne / lastrite for several hours and its just... extremely cope

[tame sand]

You big burst is Perlica's ult+ Gil ult, which only needs 1 stack of electrification. Otherwise you dont have any other source of damage output to make use of electrificaition

[drifting quest]

Its so miserable

[tame sand]

so you cycle arclight/perlica skills

[drifting quest]

Yvonne last rite is the illusion of 'better cryo stacking' but it fucks up the ult sequencing

[bronze plume]

why is our current pull economy getting held by the mail

[drifting quest]

So you end up worse off

[leaden mantle]

Does the battle skill do anything?

[tranquil burrow]

That 700k last hit feels good

[indigo pine]

and u get like 0 stagger

[lilac bloom]

i kinda wanna pull yvonne but she seems so ass has a weird team and i really wanna save for zhuang fengyi

[ancient drift]

Last Rite P1, that crit hits hard

[tame sand]

read arclight's battle skills, its half of your damage

[tranquil burrow]

Fuck this why did I even Build Laevatain in the first place should have builded Last Rite

[bronze plume]

you just said i wanna pull yvonne but then gave the main 3 reason why people who dont want yvonne arent pulling her my brotha

[lilac bloom]

the phys dmg hit in an electric team is half of your damage?

[lilac bloom]

she has cool hair and i want this stupid fucking battlepass wep to do LITERALLY ANYTHING

[tranquil burrow]

I already knew on Beta I don't like her gameplay, wish she'd have her actual Surtr Gameplay with the same Sound and Impact when the Sword fend of the ground with lava

[lilac bloom]

ITS SO FUCKING USELESS

[tame sand]

it does eletric damage in the second hit

[bronze plume]

shoulda just saved them all icl

[lilac bloom]

?

wdym

[cerulean basin]

How does Gilberta work with Last rite?
what does the team look like
cant find anything on pry

[drifting quest]

give it however long it takes me to write this doc and it might be on prydwen

so like a week

but its basically just one of the two flex slots is gilb

[leaden mantle]

So you keep repeating the combo skill and the battle skill? I’m not really sure about the rotation.

[drifting quest]

last slot can still be a decent variety of units

[dense hatch]

what you writing? 👀

[lilac bloom]

you write for prydwen?

[bronze plume]

me when pry does not have the awnser someone seeks within 1 week

[lilac bloom]

also what do you mean by this

[tame sand]

do you read? Like, open wiki/game to read what the thing you are discussing does? Sorry if this comes off rude but I dont want to copy paste game text

[bronze plume]

the crates for the bp weapons

[drifting quest]

im writing corrections/replacements for a lot of the outdated/wrong/missing prydwen content to send to prydwen editor/owner/moderator (idk who) via guoba

[bronze plume]

shoulda just saved them

[tranquil burrow]

[lilac bloom]

does the box change its contents?

[tight haven]

it does not

it will always be the same 3 weapons in that version of the box

[lilac bloom]

???

[tight haven]

the next bp will presumably have another box with its own weapon selection

[tranquil burrow]

Yes

It's written preivous box won't update the weapon inside

[tame sand]

Apply nature afflic with Gil, converts to elec with Perlica skill, trigger Arclight combo. Use arclight to consume elec, trigger combo. Then you repeat until you have ult

[bronze plume]

oh the ones that actually give you the weapon dont just add onto the new one

[tranquil burrow]

But you can have new box with diff weapon + the preivous ones

[bronze plume]

that is very sad

[tame sand]

also watch for Perlica's combo cool down for free elec

[leaden mantle]

For Perlica, battle or combo?

[ancient drift]

Just posted a video above, Xaihi - Ardelia - Gilb. But u can go with Xaihi - Perlica - Gilb.

[tame sand]

whichever is faster to get elec status going

[tranquil burrow]

Laev does good dmg but her damage per screenshot is weak 🙁

[bronze plume]

i wonder if theyll make the bp weapons go from like a ~25% worse then sig or worse then a 5 star to actually competitivly viable the awnser is probably no but

damage per screenshot is a waste of time in the first place

its called dps (damage per second) in the first place

[lilac bloom]

@tame sand my bad for asking a question? wtf is your problem?

[tranquil burrow]

I remember a theorycrafter calculated Potential 5 BP Weapon for Yvonne is 9% weaker than P0 Sign Weapon

[tame sand]

Idk whoever said thisbmay have a problem

[bronze plume]

you dont just calculate someones dmg via the highest single hit you have to account for the down time of said hits

[summer flicker]

:popcorn

[drifting quest]

within a couple % of the average yes

[tight haven]

this is about true yeah

[summer flicker]

dps(damage per screenshot)

[tight haven]

if its not exact the truth isnt far off

[drifting quest]

95-85% is the 'wide' range for p5 navigator

[ancient drift]

Yvonne has the best dmg per screenshot, that’s why I’m pulling her

[tight haven]

true

[drifting quest]

when did yvonne start having the best damage per screenshot

did i miss something

[tight haven]

she can hit like 3m+

in a screenshot

like a single number

[drifting quest]

single number

[tame sand]

there is a 6 star weapon for yvonne that outperforms p0 sig weapon at p3

[tight haven]

if youre into that i guess

[drifting quest]

different scenario then

[bronze plume]

why are people so delusional about the screenshot dmg meaning good

[tame sand]

forgot its name

[drifting quest]

we've had higher than 3mil for ages if it's just per screenshot

not per single number

[bronze plume]

mfw avy

[drifting quest]

oh yeah

[tranquil burrow]

It's Wedge

[drifting quest]

bug abuse avy is higher anyway

[bronze plume]

me when 50 morbillion thunderlances

[drifting quest]

lmfao

[tame sand]

yeah wedge is better than battlepass weapon

[tranquil burrow]

I alrdy have P3 Wedge

[lilac bloom]

COMBO TRIGGER: When an enemy suffers Electrification icon.pngElectrification or after an enemy's Electrification icon.pngElectrification is consumed.
SKILL DESCRIPTION: Blinks to the enemy's side to unleash a flurry of slashes that deals Physical DMG and recovers some SP

[tranquil burrow]

But the Battle Pass weapon I have no Idea what to do with it

[tame sand]

we are talking about battle skill

[leaden mantle]

So like use Gilberta skill in the beginning, final strike-combo skill Perlica-battle skill arc-combo skill arc -and then repeat until you get ult for everyone then it’s arc ult-Gil ult-Perlica ult in that burst?somehow trigger the arts suspitiblity from Ardelia. After setting up everything.

[bronze plume]

dust collection

put it up on yo wall in the dijiang that nobody will go look at

[drifting quest]

both my bp weapon boxes are collecting dust

[bronze plume]

i accidentally got i think opus to p1

[tranquil burrow]

It's quite frustrating Imo

[summer flicker]

let it rot, waiting for future pass weapon to be good to use the upgrade boxes for p5

[summer flicker]

[quaint matrix]

man,i'm so gratefull to this game for not implementing rng for gear. i swear this shit made me hate wuwa gearing

[lilac bloom]

i still dont see it

[frozen tide]

Im telling you rpm is the best metric

[tranquil burrow]

Even being able to choose 2 500 Weapon Currency to pull would been more flexible and interesting for people who get the sign weapons

[bronze plume]

how is anyone without a handcannon using rounds per minute gang

[drifting quest]

its not rounds

[outer ermine]

its rhod

[tranquil burrow]

Rotation

[drifting quest]

its rhodagns/minute

[bronze plume]

also how much bullets does yvonne shoot per ult assuming no interruption

not the punching bag bro

[frozen tide]

Rhod per minute

[drifting quest]

how many rhodagns can you kill per minute

as a dps measure

[bronze plume]

that seems

[tranquil burrow]

You can't be interrupted anyway during Yvonne ult

[frozen tide]

Its such a good metric

[drifting quest]

its a meme metric entirely

[tranquil burrow]

You can die tho

[bronze plume]

like a very sad measurment of dmg

[drifting quest]

but its a good meme metric

[frozen tide]

Its a meme metric that serves a purpose

🔥

[bronze plume]

the more i use the electric team the less im understanding what im meant to be doing besides use perlica skill with combo cooldowns are gone and spam ults

[tranquil burrow]

Or you get your DPScreenshot on Marble Core

[bronze plume]

and wait for some thunderlances then profit

[drifting quest]

i saw a yvonne clear that hypercarry buffed her ult

and it didnt kill the marble core

lmao

[tranquil burrow]

Sadge

[stiff eagle]

How much health does the core actually have

[bronze plume]

she just cant catch a break

[tranquil burrow]

I'd say 1 Mil

[drifting quest]

1.4mil

iirc

[frozen tide]

Electric team has a lot of nothingburger time tbh

[stiff eagle]

That’s a fair bit, but I guess it takes more damage

[frozen tide]

It has a bunch of stuff to do at the start then it chills then you fuck shit up

🔥

[tranquil burrow]

The problem with this team is there is no Gold Set with SP recovery, the Purple set with Ult Energy and 50 Sp Recovery is actually so good I wish we could have it as Gold for the Stats

[frozen tide]

Some speedkills use purples

[tranquil burrow]

Also Gold Set having no Atk% stats it weird

Idk what devs done

Purple is goated in term of real dps

[frozen tide]