theorycrafting

[ocean hawk]

it is free tho

[frozen tide]

they still give enough to m3 all relevant talents for a team f2p

[drifting berry]

Can't wait for the should I pull questions in 3 days from now

Hopefully they actually announce 1.1 banners soon

[ocean hawk]

drip marketing ?

[drifting berry]

3 days we are getting Yvonne banner, and yeah, hopefully we get like anything

Tho at this pace probably they will just announcer 1.1 banners on the livesteam if we get one

[frozen tide]

they are gonna give everyone 240 yvonne banner pulls

trust

[drifting berry]

Usually Gryphlink works like that, everything is kinda reserve for the livesteam

[ocean hawk]

trust

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[unreal light]

Oh wait is it true that in China different languages are classified as dialects of each other?

[peak void]

with that prediction, i would trust you with my life

[unreal light]

It’s like here we pretend that dialects of one language are different languages

[frozen tide]

like

some dialects

are functionally different languages

[unreal light]

We pretend them to be different languages, yeah

[frozen tide]

to the point where people speaking a different dialect cant speak to each other

[unreal light]

No like we understand each other clearly, but classify them as distinct

[frozen tide]

ah

[unreal light]

Although they have noticeable differences, specialized unique words and words borrowed from other language groups

[frozen tide]

yeah it depends on the said dialect

and some languages users can speak to each other and somewhat understand to a limited degree even iirc

[teal pawn]

Give me more arsenal tickets instead

[frozen tide]

if you go to the irl arsenal event

and fight in the gladiator arena

you get arsenal ticket rewards

[cinder oxide]

Wait is the Guobafield guy that shows up in this chat the actual youtuber

Just noticed the channel name on the vids

[drifting quest]

yes

[cinder oxide]

Nvr mind mb I hallucinated it

[drifting quest]

the guoba you see here is the same guoba who runs guoba certified and guobafield

[cinder oxide]

Huh cool

[unreal light]

Are you from China aswell?

[frozen tide]

i was not speaking from experience of chinese dialect specifically but about the nature of dialects itself

[unreal light]

Ah I see

[narrow swan]

Some dialects are actually impossible (very hard) to understand for mandarin speakers

[frozen tide]

bro has a null pfp

[unreal light]

Haha it’s a fun one if you also happen to have a role with a discord background colour

[torn wolf]

https://youtu.be/tSoR4haHgk4?si=Kljjnszc9S5eSRxt

Yo what this is actually very decent clear time wtf

For a chill gameplay team

[drifting quest]

the wheelchair comp

the issue with the game being so easy is that

anything can look good when you stop being relative

non ember setups can do it a lot faster

[torn wolf]

Hmm i see

[drifting quest]

people generally have issue separating objectivity and relativity when it comes to endfield comps

I myself have probably had moments where I am not great at explaining nuance and whatnot if I call a specific setup 'bad'

basically everything can clear all content right now

but some teams are several times slower

here in tc we're mostly minmaxxers anyway, maybe some people want to minmax specific units or comps

but from the advice perspective we dont know if the game will get harder so in turn advice is geared around what is most optimal to minimise people who dontk now better wasting resources

[ancient drift]

But its nice to see a bunch of op that actually works in this game… Not a big gap if u compare P0 op

[leaden mantle]

is it dumb to change your mind on building a different character (which is a dps, on a character you wanna build now)

[peak void]

why would it be

its a game, do what gives you enjoyment

[midnight stirrup]

Read the event

[leaden mantle]

is there a big difference between p5 perlica and p2? for main dps?

[daring dove]

Congratz 🙂 just be careful about sharing gacha pulls outside of the main channel as sometimes people report them. I'm glad you got the weapon though.

[midnight stirrup]

One is p2, the other p5

[leaden mantle]

idk how important the crit rate is for the ult though

[midnight stirrup]

Its nice to have

Thats about it

Doesnt change builds to favor crit

[drifting quest]

crit perlica is the current best thing for umbral 3

speedrunning

[frozen tide]

unironic?

is it like perli gilb

[frozen tide]

p5 will result in more damaging ults and higher debuffs

[drifting quest]

drops avywenna entirely

perlica gaming

[frozen tide]

p2 is same debuff uptime as p5

perlica pots are rly good thinking about it

p1 is big increase to ele uptime

p2 is big reduction to ult cost

p3 is not amazing ig but 20 percent atk for 5 secs after cs

p4 bumps ele up to t2

[frozen tide]

my hot take is that avy is only decent rn cause of boss breakpoints if bosses get just a bit tankier she wont be as good

[sterile patrol]

damn

is avy slander legal?

[drifting quest]

bossing vs aoe mobbing stuff

and then critfishing moment

[frozen tide]

if you hit every crit of a run your dmg output will increase by 50 percent

hidden tech

[sterile patrol]

truth nuking

[peak void]

please nuke me

[sterile patrol]

[leaden mantle]

is gilberta recommanded with perlica or could you just use ardelia? or just use both xd

i dont have gil though

[frozen tide]

perlica dps?

[leaden mantle]

yeah

[frozen tide]

hmm

their ults wouldnt align perfectly

and perlicas ult is big dmg ratio

ig it would depend on how fast perli gets ult with optimal set+rotation not considering gilb

for st boss dps

if she gets ult too fast gilb will be less value

if they align close enough could be fine

but for umbral pure dps is nowhere near as important as the mob clear itself

and gilb dmg and grouping should help a lot with that

but even if it isnt bis it should be a decent option

[midnight stirrup]

I knew I wasnt crazy

But are we really building specifically for umbral

[frozen tide]

i have not heard a single soul talk about arclight dps other than you yet peppa

[frozen tide]

just as valid as optimizing re crisis speedkills imo

neither nets you anything

[midnight stirrup]

Yall asked what replaced Avy

I said arclight idk

Not that it was arclight

Namaste

[frozen tide]

i love this sticker

[midnight stirrup]

Xaihi moment

[frozen tide]

xaihi would kill us irl for being heretics

[drifting quest]

why do speedrunners do anything

[frozen tide]

amp herself for 50 percent with ult

[drifting quest]

fast time go brrr

[midnight stirrup]

I wouldnt mind

[frozen tide]

[midnight stirrup]

The endgame copium is real

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-meme-arknights-wtf-endfield-wtf-gif-1386848441340081198

[frozen tide]

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-endfield-arknights-arknights-endfield-paypal-gif-4749074892048013995

[midnight stirrup]

@peak void Freeloader

[daring dove]

Nice I had no idea I had this really goated purple essence for Stanza.

[leaden mantle]

who would you guys recommand for a perlica dps team?

[oak vigil]

Antal, Arclight and Gilberta

You can put Detonation unit on Antal so he can apply “damage taken” buff on the enemy after his combo skill (since he triggers arts burst from it)

As for Perlica herself, Oblivion would work the best if she will be main DPS

[frozen tide]

with gilb timeline why no akekuri

[oak vigil]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, I did not use Akekuri admittedly, so I don’t have experience with her. I am just citing what I know

Albeit she can work better if you’ll go more for Perlica’s art bursts

[leaden mantle]

I don't have gilberta though. Ardelia a better choice? I don't mind using akekuri. Comp maybe could be Perlica-Arclight-Ardelia-Akekuri? saves me resources on building another team xd

[frozen tide]

ardelia should be fine for st

[leaden mantle]

just may need to build two units though

[frozen tide]

arclight akekuri huh

hmm

sounds fun it anything

get to press a lot of buttons

[leaden mantle]

oh yeah I forgot arclight generates sp

[oak vigil]

Ardelia can work too (with Akekuri too as Schling typed above), but with Ardelia you need to pay attention more for arts reactions usage.
Funnily enough with Perlica and Ardelia you can constantly print out corrosion, so you’ll be good

[frozen tide]

arts reaction usage?

why

[leaden mantle]

this feels like a dp printer team xd

[frozen tide]

what about ardelia make you have to worry more about arts reaction usage

[oak vigil]

Isn’t Ardelia’s signature weapon applies buff only after consuming corrosion?

[frozen tide]

yes but her cs applies corrosion

[oak vigil]

iirc

[oak vigil]

That’s fair, but a bit finnicky if team is focused on the element like if going for Perlica dps, since with Arclight’s battery there is going to be a lot more sp to use for her skills, thus applying electric status

So you kinda just lose her combo if not paying attention to jt

[rare zodiac]

but Arde have no infilction?

[drifting quest]

ok so it appears as though the daily rotation is not on any sort of specific scheduling and is just purely random(?)

[frozen tide]

i am still a bit confused ardelia kit is a closed loop

[drifting quest]

stanza twice in one week

[frozen tide]

she applies forced corrosion which doesnt consume anything

and she eats her own corrosion

corrosion cant be overrided with other reactions

and nothing else applies corrosion

[oak vigil]

I more of meant after that closed loop, while preparing for the second loop

[drifting quest]

are you worried about Ardelia applying nature infliction and causing corrosion or what

[oak vigil]

Oh my lord english being not my first language is screwing me over, one second

Okay so, you do the first cycle with Perlica/Ardelia, both can use combo, Ardelia consumes corrosion
After the said first loop, to properly deal damage/gain ult with Perlica dps is to use her skills, which applies electric effect. Before second loop’s combo of these both characters start, if there is any arts or physical status on the enemy (as in even 1 out of 4 pips near the hp bar of the enemy), Ardelia’s combo won’t trigger, so you miss out on her corrosion buff

[drifting quest]

oh combo proc

[frozen tide]

ohhhhh

[drifting quest]

you'd want an outlet to consume it yes

arclight ult, akekuri skill, gilb skill

yada yada

[frozen tide]

gilb does sound very nice

other than ult misaligning with perli ult

grouping sub dmg susc and corrosion to clear infliction

and her ult can do it half the times

[rare zodiac]

but then she add vul and Arde is fuk again

[frozen tide]

only have to bs the other half

bruh

yeah it includes vuln

😭

oh

i mean you can just run gilb

and no ard

so like

perlica arclight ake gilb

idk if arclight ake would be any good but cant come up with much alternative

other than antal

[oak vigil]

Oh wait you can actually run Perlica Akekuri Antal Ardelia

[leaden mantle]

yeah but I don't have gil though. I mean I could pull her rn but I'd be broke on pulls

[oak vigil]

Akekuri to force trigger arts reaction before second cycle

[frozen tide]

dont force it if you dont want

big fun of gacha is pulling for chars you want

[midnight stirrup]

Shes pretty fucking good, but if you dont like her skip

[drifting quest]

ake is fine for link stuff but probably isnt better than a good number of alternatives

[frozen tide]

f2ps or bp buyers can only get a guarantee 6 star once every while and have to skip a lot of banners

[midnight stirrup]

Dont we get like an increase in resources starting next patch

[frozen tide]

i was thinking ake gilb to super buff perli ult

[oak vigil]

Gilberta isn’t a magnum opus and there is no need to pull if you don’t have her/don’t like the character

This channel is called theory crafting after all and options are kinda closed in at the current version, it will get better later on

[midnight stirrup]

To make up for the lack of it this patch

[oak vigil]

@leaden mantle but yeah, going for this will be nice

[frozen tide]

even with that f2ps most certainly wont be able to get a 6 star every banner

every other banner i even doubt

every third banner mayb

[midnight stirrup]

I think every other banner is reasonable

But hard to tell until 1.1

[frozen tide]

banners last 2 weeks

[midnight stirrup]

Oh wait

I mean every other patch

[warped gate]

so i was thinking if there was a method of triggering arclight's combo on cooldown

[midnight stirrup]

😄

[warped gate]

but sadly i dont think you can apply electric on a 3s cd...

[frozen tide]

I like counting by banners cause patch schedule seems less like a consistent time scale than 2weeks

[oak vigil]

Akekuri and Perlica combo, although two skills usage for it

Arclight is kinda stuck to Perlica due to free electrification from combo

[warped gate]

yes but not on a constant 3s cd

[midnight stirrup]

@sterile patrol How the heck do you make ur avatar change into detailed appearances of all these characters

[frozen tide]

its called dedication

🔥

[leaden mantle]

would it be better to have a another debuffer/buffer than using arclight for generating sp?

[oak vigil]

That’s the fun part, depends on your team

If I wanted to make a Arclight dps, I would have done that. Otherwise such commitment for a single sp regen is not good

[drifting quest]

they have a model rigger for it

[ancient drift]

U can always gamble and do 60 pulls in every banner, that way u can get lots of arsenal ticket and 50/50 chance

[drifting quest]

should be in video description

[midnight stirrup]

Oh true

Impressive

[frozen tide]

guobafied chars are kinda cursed ngl

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/guoba-genshin-impact-scared-amazed-oh-gif-23247260

[oak vigil]

Currently all of the characters can be built in one way or another for their original role/alternative role (**except Alesh **)

[frozen tide]

alesh can be used

for yvonne

and endmin shatter

such a selection

🔥

[midnight stirrup]

Bro used the Yvonne sprite for the Last Rite video

Dissapointing

[oak vigil]

No I meant as in yeah, you can use Alesh as sp battery, but otherwise Alesh cannot go as the other role, like DPS

[drifting quest]

dps akekuri fire

dps xaihi

[oak vigil]

like, dps Akekuri is possible, dps Xaihi is possible (I think at least), dps Antal is possible

[drifting quest]

if dps ake and xaihi are possible dps alesh is very possible

[oak vigil]

dps Pogranichnik is possible (also originally a so battery operator)

[frozen tide]

dps xaihi sounds fucking ass

[oak vigil]

Oblivion and finisher strike:

[frozen tide]

her bs and ult are not dmg skills

so she has cs and btk

[leaden mantle]

say if I did get gilberta, would this be an ok team? Perlica-ardelia-arclight-gilberta? Would the akekuri comp basically just focus on dumping a lot of sp on it?

[frozen tide]

no point using both ard and gilb

use antal

[oak vigil]

It’s like the same case for dps Antal, but hey, it’s possible
Is there a reason to do so? No, but it’s possible

[frozen tide]

perlica arclight antal gilb should be fine?

[drifting quest]

Alesh has a lot better DPS potential than several of these units

Idk why he got singled out

[leaden mantle]

does aweyana do anything in that team? or no?

[lost void]

Finally somebody understood the assignment. Faster clear time doesn't always equate to high damage output but knowledge about positioning as well

https://youtu.be/tSoR4haHgk4?si=csdJLHDJGu-uuAbB

[sterile patrol]

i draw their outfits using aseprite and commission a vtube rig artist to rig the outfits

[oak vigil]

I have been trying to figure out about him for like solid 30 minutes with the wiki once, I just can’t exactly find a comp for him if going for Alesh DPS

Might be that I simply could not find it, a me issue

[frozen tide]

he was asking specifically for perli dps

avy would be the typical choice for electro dps

[midnight stirrup]

Very impressive Where's the Last Rite sprite tho

[sterile patrol]

cant do too many models cause the rig artist takes a while to cook em

[leaden mantle]

nvm then. would antal be a better replacement besides using akekuri? cause I'm probably just going to use ardelia + arclight with birb

[lost void]

four routes though:

• all 3 5 stars in the team with support
• perl & avy (setup of thunder lances)
• perl & arclight (forced electrification focus)
• heat+electro hybrid comp (antal as support and possibly Ake or Wulfy)

[frozen tide]

so you want to use avy perlica arclight ardelia?

[midnight stirrup]

Oh fair enough

[leaden mantle]

no Perlica is the main dps for the comp.

[frozen tide]

what

ur trynna do avy sub dps?

[oak vigil]

I feel like if going for Perlica main dps and Avy sub dps, you are going to lose on both ends and neither get each other bonuses

[oak vigil]

iirc Avy straight up cannot buff others with any weapons, I might be wrong

[leaden mantle]

just scrap that entirely

the avy

[cinder oxide]

Saw a yt vid that recommended EminentRespute on Chen bs or not?

[oak vigil]

lemme check the weapon, one moment

[leaden mantle]

Perlica-ardelia-akukuri-arclight was the comp I was planning. I was just wondering if antal would be better suited than akekuri, since I guess she's more an sp generator

[rare zodiac]

it will just serve as a stat stick

[oak vigil]

Chen can’t consume vulnerability stacks for the effect of it to trigger

[leaden mantle]

and antal has the amps + the whole focus thing.

[cinder oxide]

Yeah but the vid for some reason calced it as highest dps regardless of max buffs or not

[oak vigil]

Hmmmm yeah that also can work

Also can work if you switch Arclight to Antal. Either options work

[oak vigil]

💔

like

[cinder oxide]

https://youtu.be/4etoqlgMqcg?si=UhacR0QVZT0OmDbp
5:32 is Chen’s section

I’m just wondering

If math is BS

[lost void]

Works instead of Chen if you use Pog & have other vanguard using Thermite

Pog = breach = consume vuln stacks = proc set effect.

[leaden mantle]

would this be a team that would be constantly generating sp, and it may seem a bit overkill for the sp thing. You think antal would help perlica do more damage? or would more sp help better?

[sterile patrol]

its a pure stat stick and worse than a few options

[cinder oxide]

Noted the vid put it as top choice and I’m not sure why. Also Chen guide when?

[lost void]

This work on a cryophys comp with Alesh+Estelle & Endmin. Or if you like throw in Pog

[oak vigil]

I honestly won’t call it ‘constantly generating’ as Arclight is more like a refund sp + buff for 2 (or 3 if p5) EBS unit for the cost of consuming electrification, while Akekuri is more of purely regeneration of sp. Also Thermite Cutter buff

Either has their own bonuses to give to make Perlica damage more. While Antal is more consistent way to debuff with his skill lasting a LOOOONG while and an amp ultimate. Also Detonation Unit making enemy take more damage

As much as I know about this, I unfortunately can’t say with confidence what is better if comparing both Arclight and Antal, so it more of goes to a preference

[oak vigil]

*DUE TO THIS SPECIFIC TEAM COMP AS PERLICA BEING MAIN DPS

forgot to mention this

[lost void]

not a bad thing if your comp demands BS spamming,the only thing stopping the rotation is SP drought. So having two vanguards to be more specific Ake+Arc would be more practical.

[leaden mantle]

hmmm. may then just run with antal then. is it worth getting the denation unit from the shop using my golden crystals?

may just use her with akekuri and ardelia

[oak vigil]

If honestly speaking, I’ll go check really quick the arts units weapons really quick to see if there is any which can benefit the team in this case

(it’s just I go for Detonation Unit as a default)

one second

[frozen tide]

hes probably right on the math about p0 sundering vs p0 repute but like

is that rly a fair comparison lol

[leaden mantle]

i do have the obj

[frozen tide]

you got sundering for free for launching the game

[lost void]

You mean selector?

[oak vigil]

I just checked, yeah OBJ works too

[frozen tide]

and idk if there was any on the permanent shop but it can show up as weekly costing 400 arsenal

[frozen tide]

no pre reg award

[leaden mantle]

but idk how to trigger the arts burst with that team

[lost void]

How come I didn't get it..

[frozen tide]

you had to do things every day as a part of the pre reg event

[lost void]

hmm web event..

[leaden mantle]

does ardelia's corrison trigger it?

[oak vigil]

Antal automatically triggers arts burst on his combo, since he follows up the arts application with his own as the combo

[frozen tide]

but yeah i think its weird to compare them p0

especially considering that sundering scales more with pots in this instance

[leaden mantle]

is it random or does he add the same inflection like floruite?

[frozen tide]

as a big part of repute third line is just useless for chen

matter of fact p5 vs p5 sundering probably out performs or atleast is extremely close

[oak vigil]

Same infliction even if he is using a combo after different element unit. Like if Akekuri uses her skill and applies fire, Antal’s combo triggers and he applies one more stack of fire, making it trigger arts burst

Same goes for Perlica, but electric infliction and etc etc

(he can also do the same for physical, but there is 0 reason to put him on physical and also doesn’t trigger arts burst this way)

[lost void]

it would depend on team comp since there are comps that does CS upon stagger and those who do bonus damage on staggered unit within their kit. So you have to build your gear set on staggered amplification bonus.

Ember does FS on stagger, Gilberta as well

[frozen tide]

i dont see how this is relevant for the discussion of repute vs sundering for chen

[leaden mantle]

so antal would be better than Gilberta in single target scarnios right? also, how would you even do a rotation for this team

[lost void]

Usually you go all for the kill during stagger phase right. It's personal damage vs team cumulative damage.

In phys comp it's usually 2-3 are doing much of the damage output and each applying buffs/debuffs for the team.

[frozen tide]

reputes team buff cannot be triggered on chen

chen does not have a way to consume vuln

[drifting quest]

are you perhaps confusing

repute with ascent

[lost void]

That's why I replied earlier you use Repute on Endmin when I brought it up first here in TC discussion but vs Grand Vision

also Pog can use Eminent as alt weapon instead of his sig weapon if unlucky if there is another vanguard on team that can proc sp recov/link

at best a cryophys team can ideally have one with Eminent (Endmin or Pog), Thermite on another vanguard (Alesh)

[frozen tide]

Bro you ping replied to my comment about repute vs sundering on chen

I think you got the wrong guy

[oak vigil]

Hm… I’ll answer the question about the rotation first, because I am genuinely struggling a little to answer about Gilberta comparison

If running Perlica(main dps)/Akekuri/Antal/Ardelia
Use your Antal skill immediately for bonus damage
Do a full string of m1 combo -> Antal’s ultimate and Akekuri ultimate (you can do it before M1 combo too, but this way it’s more safe) -> trigger Perlica’s combo -> trigger Ardelia’s combo -> use Ardelia’s skill for bonus damage from her weapon -> Perlica’s ultimate
Also pay attention to your SP because of Akekuri, you can just spend it all away with Perlica’s skill for extra damage after the cycle/after Ardelia’s combo is triggered
When going into the second cycle, if a boss still has electric status, use Akekuri’s skill to trigger arts reaction and then start the cycle (because if an enemy has an arts infliciton on them, Ardelia’s comob won’t trigger after M1 finisher string).

As for Gilberta… Both are good in their own way, albeit Gilberta might be better for burst damage.

Gilberta can apply arts susceptibility too with 30%, BUT only for 5 seconds and only from her ultimate, while Antal can apply 10% with his skill with the duration being really long

Antal can do a damage amp for electric/fire with an ultimate, but Gilberta can also apply a damage buff only from her combo skill with her signature weapon

[leaden mantle]

I did see this video of someone's perlica doing 1 million dmg, but i think it was more burst dmg one though

[lost void]

I was majorly interacting and making replies with your comments so nah, I'm not addressing the wrong guy.

[signal sundial]

had to play out of my mind for this

and my supports having fuckall hp so they kept dying in like 2 hits

the panda wont kick me out of the group right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/644075476297449513/1474796022395048118/IWy3pV0.png?ex=699b2654&is=6999d4d4&hm=214eaf40a3c54bb4bc7dc094a41a80f195cd5babcfd558817de983111cc93e8d&animated=true aftermath

[pure spoke]

It was from cbt1 where the scaling was different. It was a clickbait video

The same guy posted a 3 million damage chen ult today too

Clickbait

[lusty relic]

I uploaded some of my umbral monument clears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8SEPc2AQLw

[leaden mantle]

The one on Bilibili?

[signal sundial]

slowly but surely

[pure spoke]

Not sure. But the one i mean was perlica ult 1.1 mil posted like 1 week ago

Or is there an actual legit perlica 1 mil dmg?

[leaden mantle]

it was this one: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ubc4z3EuS/

but I think its also with potions as well

do food buffs dramatically increase your dps by a lot?

[chilly basin]

do yall think endfield character buidling will end up like genshin where its all just about critting

[pure spoke]

Ayo wtf

[chilly basin]

honestly no idea what were meant to do to trim this stuff, i run 200% eff laevi and still couldnt get it under 180s

[pure spoke]

Ye i didnt mean this xd my bad

[chilly basin]

yes it did

[pure spoke]

[chilly basin]

we cant see ur messages rn sorry

[leaden mantle]

oh wait his weapon is pot 6 never mind. never ever gonna reach that dmg xd

[pure spoke]

Damn scammed

[signal sundial]

gotta stack the food buffs

[pure spoke]

Isnt 1 surtr ult enough for rhodogan trimmed?

[signal sundial]

no idea, i dont run a surt2r lineup

[chilly basin]

gotta be some cracked laevi if u can get that done

surtr ult lasts like 20 seconds

[pure spoke]

I have a friend who kills rhodogan in 1 minute 20 and he says ult eff is overrated

[leaden mantle]

whatever i won't have that much dmg but that's fine. I'll just run her with the team I'm using, since this was literally a speedrun, so like it probably took many attempts to get it right

[pure spoke]

I see

[signal sundial]

im running an avywenna lineup

i think i can shave off 26s if i can dodge better

food buffs increase base atk right

[pure spoke]

U can face tank rhodogans flames btw

Saves you some time too

[elfin smelt]

or dodge it

[pure spoke]

If you dodge you pause your attacks tho

[chilly basin]

i dont use it for meta i use it because its fun

[wanton notch]

Flames kinda dont do that much damage

[chilly basin]

also goated for aoe stuff

[signal sundial]

i cant craft the ginsent +180 yet so i was using this to get my 146

[chilly basin]

which umbral monument is

[wanton notch]

Problem is when you want to dodge cancel your attacks during flame

[pure spoke]

Understandable. I also use max ult eff pog

[signal sundial]

the rest of my squad is using a kunst tube unless there's sth better

[lusty relic]

I have a 51 second clear on rhodagnwith Last Rite. You have to use ginseng meat stew

[signal sundial]

for the crit right

[lusty relic]

yeah but also base attack is really good in this game

since its multiplied by all the buffs

[signal sundial]

ohhh

that's what i was missing

[rare zodiac]

i mean he is right? ult eff Lae only strong with high pot

[signal sundial]

so 27% attack is not actually that great then

[lusty relic]

its the 2nd best food

[pure spoke]

Its still great

[signal sundial]

ok fair

i can shave off 26s with more masteries i think

[pure spoke]

And you can just buy it from the shop

[lusty relic]

It's also slightly easier to farm since ginseng takes a long time to grow

[signal sundial]

• go in with full ults charged?

[pure spoke]

Always

If your time is tight

[chilly basin]

i love pog but he wouldve been cooler as a dps ngl

imagine using the shield guys for a bunch of damage

[pure spoke]

Make him dps anyways

https://tenor.com/view/chen-arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-yes-gif-9261220417428024166

[chilly basin]

i wonder whats his max dps now

[signal sundial]

this is what im working with so there's definitely lots to optimize

[pure spoke]

Whats his dps anyways as main dps?

Can he get trimmed rhodogan solo?

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-endfield-pogranichnik-hellagur-animation-gif-1945694346733716089

[signal sundial]

and i gotta make sure arclight doesnt eat my electrification debuff when i pull the spears

[chilly bolt]

[drifting quest]

relatively consistent

within ~1-5% of most other calcs

at least the more reliable ones

[real mist]

where is this from?

[chilly bolt]

Random Korean yt vid i frogor

Title

Beginner yvonne guide or something

[drifting quest]

let the clickbait begin

[dapper mason]

insert 1m hit thumbnail

[plain field]

So for Lev, +157 ATK +190 HP + healing received + physical res with lynx slab
Or 16% ultimate gain with tidal fall armor. What people prefer at p0?

[oak vigil]

I feel like literally any character who isn’t designed as “damage dealer” tag can’t do trim solo 💔

Although he can do trim in the team as a DPS

[drifting quest]

you'll have to elaborate where these numbers, hr and res are coming from

[plain field]

Attributes. Idk if they count but lynx increases all.

[chilly bolt]

Lynx surtr

[twilit quail]

if you add two slab you can activate set effect

genius

[quaint matrix]

Wow such a good character I bet

Probably very sustainable dps

All around good at st and multi target scenarios

And good with 1 target dummy fights and 10 waves of shit scenarios

[plain field]

Full healer build.

[quaint matrix]

And also very self-sufficient and doesnt requires any other characters to function well. Especially a 6*

[drifting quest]

ok im with you
so the healing recieved, hp and physical res are useless
you care about the main attribute% > atk% > atk

if you regularly fight aoe only then slab can be okay, with 3p hot work

if you want the build for single target bossing then tide fall chest + 3p hot work is a lot better

the third option is a full ult gain build that can perform better in some cases, worse in others

[quaint matrix]

Ppl gonna fall into Yvonne trap just to watch vids from same cc in few months which states something like: “Yvonne was a trap banner”

[edgy crater]

u forgot on people who lose 5050 n ange/surtr banner

[chilly bolt]

Skill issue

Just hit 120

[oak vigil]

Can anyone in short elaborate on why Yvonne seems to be worse than other characters introduced? Genuine question, I don’t get it

Seems to get like kinda same results in speedruns for bosses too

[chilly bolt]

Wdym same results

[oak vigil]

*kinda same results

my bad

[chilly bolt]

Yvonne clears rhodagn in 26s iirc

And LR does the same thing 10 seconds faster

[oak vigil]

Is this still a bad result though…? That’s what I am not getting

[dapper mason]

we will always compare yvonne and LR

[unreal light]

Yours?

[chilly bolt]

YZ videos

[unreal light]

Then it doesn’t count

[manic blade]

I love artificing this is a fun system I love 3 40 pitys

[unreal light]

Chinese whales do everything ten times faster than us mortals

[plain field]

At least there is a pity. Could be worse.

[daring dove]

I felt the same rubbish, it hurts because that's an enitre weeks worth pretty much for 4 intellect.

[manic blade]

yup

[daring dove]

They need to fix the system a bit, like every time it fails there should be a 0.5% increase or a 1% increase for it to succeed the next time.

Otherwise you just end up with people who get an entire character artificed in the time it takes you to do 1 upgrade because luck wasn't on your side.

I'm nearly done with my Laevetain now as well, just 1 strength pip left to go.

No doubt I'll fail that 20x (max possible) as well.

[chilly bolt]

to be fair if LR didnt exist then yeah that's not bad at all

and like, for 7s in ult, if you get hit, or enemy dashes away, you lose a shit ton of dmg lol

well you could argue that it could be fixed with better timing

oh i forgot without ange yvonne is like way way worse

[quaint matrix]

ooof

[leaden mantle]

ardelia's battle skill m3 a big dps increase or not much of a difference?

[dapper mason]

i dont know damage number. only know it increase 3% from R9

[modest thorn]

i saw someone mention dash cancelling laevatain's attack animation anyone know about it?

just the basic attacks not the combo

[midnight stirrup]

Needs to be stationary in ult and can be knocked out of it.
Getting hit resets the damage ramp up.
Ult is single target.
Everything else in her kit doesnt deal much damage.
Lacks a proper team.
Needs sig, and Gilb preferably with sig iirc.
Performs worse than LR while crit.

I think thats the jist of it. Might be wrong on some parts. But basically Last Rite does what Yvonne does a lot better.

[drifting quest]

there's a decent chunk more

[midnight stirrup]

Also please stop using Rhodagan time as a metric of how a character performs. Rhodagan is a punching bag. Yvonne will struggle a lot more in the other two and future bosses.

Namaste

[midnight stirrup]

I figured yeah L O L

I was actually gonna look for your post but idr what it mentioned

[summer flower]

There are games which this isn't even with pity system

[drifting berry]

No way after so long Guoba finally did the Yvonne guide

[summer flower]

I remember MMOs where failure was taking you back a level

Or destroying item

[midnight stirrup]

God I miss mmo's

[oak vigil]

Rhodagn being treated like a Raditz power-scale metric at this point

[midnight stirrup]

It's so silly

[drifting quest]

super sp greedy
super high ult cost
whiffing a skill or combo dooms you and its not that hard to do thanks to low range on them
a bunch of her team options have large gameplay caveats
long ramp up time for her damage which means its hard to buff with the various low uptime buffing tools (gilb ult, xaihi talent, etc)
sp refunds giga cook her rotation by misaligning ult
mediocre sig weapon relative to some others
reliance on a singular set which is pretty mid
has to choose between consistency and damage thanks to crit reliance
easy to mess with her solidifications and gut her damage

[summer flower]

Yea, rhodagn is DPS scale

[midnight stirrup]

Like duh youre gonna get a fast time on Rhod

He stands still 24/7

[drifting quest]

after that and the previous list you're maybe

[summer flower]

It's rhodogan/time

[drifting quest]

halfway into the list of issues yvonne has right now

[oak vigil]

Pardon, you can whiff a skill/combo with her?

[drifting quest]

yeah its really easy to just

miss it

lmao

[summer flower]

Getting hit, missing

[drifting quest]

if the enemy moves at all

[oak vigil]

Oh my lord

[summer flower]

A lot of different whiffs

[drifting quest]

its very punishing

[summer flower]

Man, after playing ember

[midnight stirrup]

The funny part is that ill probably end up getting Yvonne

[summer flower]

Like ember just doesn't care most of time

[drifting quest]

yvonne against an enemy that isnt a training dummy has a ton of potential gameplay issues

[summer flower]

But flurorite gets pushed around if passive doesn't kick in

[midnight stirrup]

Im 25 pulls away from a 6-star and we get like 10 pulls + 10 free pulls from pulling Gilb.

[drifting quest]

simply do not pull

its that simple

waste the pulls

[summer flower]

But funny to see biggest boss dmg do nothing

[daring dove]

The high ult cost makes no sense to me, it's not like while she's in her ult she's doing way more damage than Last Rite who doesn't have a high ult cost. It's like they want her to just be bad.

[midnight stirrup]

I might atp

Cant get her sig anyway

[drifting quest]

last rite has a fat ult cost too

[midnight stirrup]

^

Last Rite is just self sufficient

[daring dove]

It's not 225 is it?

[midnight stirrup]

bc she gets energy per stack

[drifting quest]

Laev 300
LR 240
Yvonne 220

its just laev and lr have way better energy gen in kit

[summer flower]

I'm waiting for new hand cannons that gonna fit flurorite to be released

[midnight stirrup]

Funniest part is that LR can only get ER for herself by herself

[drifting quest]

yvonne does not

[midnight stirrup]

I think Yvonne can get regular

[summer flower]

Cause mine doesn't want what regular wants

[daring dove]

Ah fair.

[midnight stirrup]

Laev 300? Zamn

[drifting quest]

yvonne would be broken

if her energy applied to allies too

lmfao

[summer flower]

People getting laev one skill ultimate

So dunno if it's issue

[drifting quest]

from the bottom of the barrel to SSS tier put her in nearly every team

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne is so cooked

All her damage in ult

But ult cost equal to Xiangling

😭

[chilly bolt]

try to find a single yvonne solo vid

[drifting quest]

ping me if you ever find one

id love to see it

[tranquil burrow]

They gonna make a support that exploits this by uniquely buffing Yvonne trust

[drifting quest]

as much as there is a trend of calling her bad (relative)

i do want to see her be decent

she has a novel kit

[chilly bolt]

maybe someone knows chinese can try searching on bilibili

[midnight stirrup]

She probably will be

A shield would help her a lot already

that has IR

[drifting quest]

ive searched bilibili before

there's nothing special

[oak vigil]

Whiffing my combo/skill in a game where 90% of the cast hits it with an autoaim, I feel so novel! /j

But yeah, true

[midnight stirrup]

Just wait for more units

Shell see play

Most things are semi cooked rn, with Yvonne being on the worse part rn

[daring dove]

Only way to fix Yvonne is to fix CR/CD as a stat, I don't see that happening anymore soon to be honest. Unless they release a support that just gives everyone 150% more CD. But that seems suspect to me.

[drifting quest]

I mean game is trivially easy she can clear everything

[chilly bolt]

oh lol another yvonne+lr vid from yz...

[summer flower]

Cast skill when non controlled operator is pushing boss into next stage

[midnight stirrup]

Keep in mind were on lvl 60 gear

Not lvl 90 gear

[drifting quest]

Issue is if content gets harder she is the first to fall below the bar

[midnight stirrup]

I wouldnt be surprised if lvl 80/90 gear gives some form of crit

[daring dove]

75 no?

[frozen tide]

yvonne is hustlin and bustlin to not be worse than 5 stars rn

[midnight stirrup]

Im pretty sure its 60 no

[frozen tide]

if content gets harder and better 6 stars get released

[rare zodiac]

70

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

Regardless

I wouldnt be surprised if higher lvl gear gives crit

[outer ermine]

[chilly bolt]

too soon for higher lvl gears

[daring dove]

Yeah better gear sets are coming but they won't release in the first year, until Wulling is over 70 will be the max.

[chilly bolt]

imagine your fully artificed gears got powercrept in 1 patch

[rare zodiac]

Yvonne need OG AK Module

To save her

[tight haven]

i kinda hope 6* gear is the system they just keep locked behind pure progression

clearing endgame objectives

[chilly bolt]

module in ak now is like a lottery lol

[tight haven]

not just logging in and doing dailies like 5* gear is locked behind

[tranquil burrow]

We're 100% getting new gear sets next patch, let alone next year

Still level 70 ofc

[midnight stirrup]

If it happens when Wuling is over

Yvonne will still be good

[daring dove]

Ok but that's not what we're talking about.

[midnight stirrup]

I doubt theyll add another ice dps in Wuling

[summer flower]

Guys

Why you worry?

[tight haven]

yvonne needs more than a gear set can give her

[tranquil burrow]

I misread

[chilly bolt]

yvonne team really lacks cryo infliction source

[rare zodiac]

She need Jesus, that is the only one can help her now

[midnight stirrup]

It doesnt even have to be cryo afaik

Doesnt she work with both cryo and nature

[chilly bolt]

oh right it can be natur

[midnight stirrup]

And if a better cryo applicator comes out

Last Rite will be better

LMAO

[chilly bolt]

she needs a cryo applier that doesnt work with LR

[rare zodiac]

LR is just Yvonne pro max so of course

[frozen tide]

you get master gearing tickets from arsenal pulls

[tranquil burrow]

LR plays too differently mechanically

[midnight stirrup]

What does playing different mechanically bave to do with anything

[tight haven]

kill arsenal issue

[tranquil burrow]

Has a lot

But whatever

[midnight stirrup]

If a support applies cryo better than we have now

LR is gonna use it

[frozen tide]

tbh theres a hard cap to how much cryo lr can use

tho we arent even near it rn

[daring dove]

Still lots of improvements both Ice & Fire teams need rn, both could do with a good sub-DPS to support with applying infliction's. That said the Electro & Nature elements are even more undercooked rn so maybe we'll see pieces to those teams first.

[frozen tide]

lr can only cs once every 8 secs and her cs takes like 3 secs

[midnight stirrup]

Uh...

[tight haven]

soon my son

[frozen tide]

so 4stacks of cryo every 5 secs

would hit max

[midnight stirrup]

Nature, Electric and Physical need a proper dps, nature needs good support

[frozen tide]

or about that

[tight haven]

(i need mb pots)

[midnight stirrup]

I doubt HG cares about minmaxing fire/ice rn

[pure spoke]

Tang tang cryo stackker 4 every 4 seconds

[chilly bolt]

isnt it 8 seconds?

[frozen tide]

cs takes time

a lot of time

[leaden mantle]

what dps gear do you run on perlica?

[chilly bolt]

oh it only start cd after the animation?

[daring dove]

I'd say Phy is a good bit better than Nature & Electric rn, but yeah they're all in need of TLC.

[summer flower]

?

[leaden mantle]

I guess pulser?

[summer flower]

What do you mean kill aresnal issue?

[frozen tide]

i thought it goes on cd as soon as you start it what i was saying is that its 8 secs but cs anim takes up 3 secs effectively giving you 5 secs to build up the cryo

[chilly bolt]

oh wait it doesnt, i have reading issue

yeah

[tight haven]

death to arsenal issue

[chilly bolt]

i would just do gacha

[frozen tide]

they made it so its never worth to straight up buy arsenal you either buy bundle or do char pulls

[summer flower]

I like that system

[frozen tide]

and get it as byproduct

[summer flower]

You know how it was hard to be like do I pull on char on do I pull on character?

[frozen tide]

i do agree that they can make arsenal a bit cheaper 1 to 1 tho

maybe like a 20-30 percent decrease

[tight haven]

you know what game i didnt need to choose in?

reverse 1999

[summer flower]

Although I would prefer to have mats in pulls for operators instead of stream of 4*

[daring dove]

You'd have to be brain dead to do that. Likely far cheaper to just max out the standard banner characters an keep wishing on that banner.

[tight haven]

you could earn the weapons!

[tranquil burrow]

It's much more cost efficient to purcahse arsenal tickets directly than doing it the roundabout way of doing character pulls, though this is relevant only for spenders since they're the only ones with origeometry.

[tight haven]

of course i think it should be way cheaper to buy arsenal issues directly

costing more than a 10x for ops is silly and its obvious why it is this way

[frozen tide]

also cant you cancel lr cs with dash

or am i tripping balls

anim cancel like you do with fs

[drifting berry]

Oh yeah, I got around 170 Originium but like 99% of that comes from 1st time rewards, I can see we getting like 10-20 per patch

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jihoon-kim-jihoon-loves-green-marker-green-marker-pure-love-owner-of-project-moon-gif-2415136906219836565

[midnight stirrup]

Yes

But u kill the cs

[chilly bolt]

i figured this on day 2

[frozen tide]

just do it after the hit

same with fs

[dawn shard]

having at least some weapons earnable (ideally via factory to have an endgame there) would be neat
similiar to genshin/wuwa craftables

[frozen tide]

idek if thats a time save or how much time it saves

i can go count after doing it on rhod

[daring dove]

Honestly though whales will start getting the weapons they want (exclusiving limited weapons) far easier come 1.2-1.3. Just from my only personal experience I nearly have most of the standard banner characters P5 now. So soon once I start losing 50/50's I'm just going to be getting a weapon I want every 2 50/50 loses.

[frozen tide]

lemme go do that

[daring dove]

I imagine standard players won't benefit from this system to about 2.2 or something though.

[chilly bolt]

they need to add alternative way to get 6* pot token

like in ak you can buy it from various shop

[midnight stirrup]

Which one

The purple?

[tight haven]

the actual operator tokens

you could earn them every contingency contract event

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[frozen tide]

letting you buy 5 star pots from freemium shop would be so nice

[tight haven]

or trade for them directly with "bond quotas"

[midnight stirrup]

Doubt itll happen

[warm galleon]

Give it a decade

[rare zodiac]

I am more interested in cc in endfield

[tight haven]

(in ak, called gold certs)

[rare zodiac]

Need more content

[midnight stirrup]

We dont get limited chars on the standard either

[frozen tide]

wait i just cancelled cs after last cs hit

with dash

and it was a blue dash

wtf

lemme post

[chilly bolt]

blue dash?

[rare zodiac]

Perfect one

[frozen tide]

perfect dodge or whatever its called

[tight haven]

yeah the trading for perm op sigs is kinda whatever to me

if i want them that badly ill just get them now

[twilit quail]

we literally just need a character who fires damaging projectiles at themselves

to perfect dodge

adn that would be

such a good support

[tight haven]

not wait until i pull enough op dupes to p5 them when theyre probably not even relevant

[twilit quail]

and we can finally

[rare zodiac]

Get hit to deal more dps

[twilit quail]

activate ember combo at will

flawless

no but this is such gas no? they should hire me

[outer ermine]

aak in ef

[chilly bolt]

aak mentioned

[rare zodiac]

Deal 6000 dmg to your control op, if survive, +100% atk

[frozen tide]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pyJX4MT5UMZUxwLLkfPvaT0Cu0L3_r1u/view?usp=sharing

[drifting quest]

lmao akekuri solo ballista and axe

[frozen tide]

i think rhod mightve gotten frozen mid attack

[drifting quest]

we're doing it with everyone now

[frozen tide]

huh

anyhow lemme count the frame

s

[oak vigil]

Odd comparison, but Ember feels like Heishou Sinclair from Limbus Company.

Has good kit with health conditionals/getting hit

Has no way to hit himself

https://tenor.com/view/man-chainsaw-chainsawman-csm-what-gif-523642207999463732

[twilit quail]

solo gas is something but solo either of the other stages is like

[daring dove]

Thing is though there's a cost benefit here. Like I'd argue it's better to just P5 those characters early an start getting to tokens to pick up the sigs you want. Than it is to get them the standard way via the weapon banners. But that's only if you''re running out of the discounted arsenal token packs. Trading the rocks for arsenal tokens if just economic death to your account.

[twilit quail]

we need timer

on this shit

that isnt 10 mins

[drifting quest]

it did it in 8m20s which is faster than i thought

[twilit quail]

amazing

[rare zodiac]

Nah fuk the timer, i rather deal with x10 dmg gas than timer

Every time timer is involved it becomes a dps check mode

[drifting quest]

dps check solved by taking off the blindfold and pressing buttons

[twilit quail]

dps checks are good

actually

[daring dove]

You also get a lot more account progression materials while wishing for characters. Where as wishing for weapons is somewhat of a dead end. So practically speaking if you want your account to be strong early. The less you spend on weapons (outside of maxing the important ones). The faster your account progresses. But these are all kinda whale strats that the developers haven't really balanced around yet.

[twilit quail]

if there is ever actually any survival pressure that isnt solved by just dodging like a normal person

the game would be legitimate dogshit

[frozen tide]

dude im getting a blue dodge every time i cancel out of cs

i cant use any of these for counting

😭

[twilit quail]

the only metric that it is feasible to gauge improvement in is dps lol

[daring dove]

Wonder how long it'll be before we get content that requires multiple teams.

[drifting quest]

people will say they dont want harder content then complain when there is nothing to do because they steamrolled it all

[gritty briar]

I enjoy longer fights and i like optimizing damage on weaker teams that do shit damage so hard requirements on dps checks would kill my enjoyment

[dawn shard]

me not potting my thermite cutters in case i need them on two teams

[rare zodiac]

Just make enemies do more dmg, you can dodge but not your ai friend

[gritty briar]

I mean if you want to test damage, you already can anyways. Just use the timer yourself

[twilit quail]

that would be even worse than high damage gas

you can see how AI teammates

dying at complete random

would be not a great experience right

[drifting quest]

critfishing? ❌
ally death rng fishing? ✅

[outer ermine]

pls dont make runs just even a bit ai dependent

mfs already fuck u hard by getting cced

[rare zodiac]

Nah that would make me think about having defenders in my team

Rather than 4 dps

[twilit quail]

how about we dont make the teammates die at random in the first place

and dont create this problem at all

the high damage gas would be way better

[frozen tide]

ok cancelling lr cs after last hit with dash makes startup of next btk a lot faster @midnight stirrup @chilly bolt

[tight haven]

oh dgmw i dont spend origeo on arsenal pulls i only use the like, 15 issues we get from packs with every op that releases

the value of spending origeo on those is sooooo bad

the reason im not buying arsenal issues directly is because the value proposition is just awful

[chilly bolt]

oh i can see that, post atk animation of her combo is also long as i noticed

[daring dove]

You know what would be quite a cool game-mode. (Not for right now, accounts aren't built enough). If we had a game mode that had like 6 stages. But each time you cleared a stage you had to discard two characters from your pool who couldn't participate for the remainder of the event.

[outer ermine]

is it faster than xai

[daring dove]

Fair enough.

[outer ermine]

2 ba sequence

[gritty briar]

add special attacks that have a stricter dodge timing window with high damage so there's an occasional challenging combo to dodge

[frozen tide]

itd still be faster to btk on a diff char while lr is in cs anim

if thats the question

since you can just btk while lr is stuck in anim

[twilit quail]

only reason to ever cancel it is to gain the ult energy without spending stacks for some specific timeline

[frozen tide]

if you are just controlling lr i dont see a reason not to cancel once last hit hits

[twilit quail]

it's theoretically useful but hasn't really come up much

to cancel after the freeze

to skip the hit entirely I mean

[frozen tide]

ah

[daring dove]

The Arsenal pack purchases rn are pretty clutch to be honest. Since they include about 300 resin worth of account progression materials as well. Plus the 2k tokens.

[frozen tide]

huh i never rly even thought abt that

3 4 timeline with that might be neat

[twilit quail]

the problem with it is that LR combo cd is too long

lol

so it's rarely worth

the bracket in which it is worth doing is beyond narrow

[frozen tide]

how long does getting 4 stack cryo take with rite xai as only cryo

[chilly bolt]

it's only 8s, no?

[twilit quail]

8s is too long

[outer ermine]

would be nice in solo w dorito, if the freeze kills then u can skip doing finisher

[frozen tide]

oh if you cancel you wont use cryo

to start with

huh

🤔

thats weird

[chilly bolt]

would the cryo stack disappear by that time?

[outer ermine]

nop that shit is long af

[frozen tide]

yeah thats weird af to think about

[twilit quail]

if you could get the combo again after your next gcd

[daring dove]

Btw how often can LR use her ult, assuming you aren't running some silly ult gain build. Which for a nuker likely isn't worth anyway?

[twilit quail]

not gcd what the fuck

your next basic ender

it would be good

but you cant

so it's just kinda useless mostly

[daring dove]

For me I tend to notice if LR can't 1 rotation something she clears a lot slower than Laevatain but if she can 1 rot something she clears maybe the faster?

But I don't have both teams properly invested yet to test myself.

Maybe in a few more weeks.

[frozen tide]

wait why can gilb cancel both seq 3 and 4

rly early

no 2 too

you can cancel seq 2 3 and 4

[chilly bolt]

with no ult gain she gets 117 energy from basic 3 stacks rotation (2 bs + 1 combo)

[frozen tide]

ig i dont actually know which attack is which sequence

[chilly bolt]

her ult costs 240

[frozen tide]

but you can just skip the entire btk

except first attack

[daring dove]

Obviously you're running ult gain on something if she isn't P4, I just meant not full ult gain build.

[chilly bolt]

is there even ult gain on something

[daring dove]

Chest piece usually for none P4 I believe?

[chilly bolt]

Her 3 chests dont have ult gain

Unless you use tide chest

[daring dove]

That's generally recommended for LR without P4.

[chilly bolt]

i just prefer frontier or aethertech chest

[rare zodiac]

Don’t active her BS get her 6.5 and then 16 when the FS hit?

[chilly bolt]

Oh i forgot the energy from clicking the skill

[frozen tide]

rite needs 2.6 percent ult charge rounded up

for 3 3

imagine a world where gilb also gave strikers ult charge boost

[chilly bolt]

Ok i know it does give some ult gain but i dont see how much exactly lol

[daring dove]

Single rot LR bursts?

[frozen tide]

what does single rot mean here

single fs?

single cs?

single cs is technically possible even now

just not recommended at all

[rare zodiac]

Where 6.5 from activate BS?

[daring dove]

Whatever her usual rotation time is, for me a lot of the operators are working on 20 second rotations rn due to combo skill CD's.

[frozen tide]

she has overrides

[daring dove]

For some it's a bit lower

[rare zodiac]

Elaborate?

[frozen tide]

actually it might not even be that talent ult gain overrides bs usage ult gain might technically count as team gain

so rite just doesnt get it

rite only gets the 16

no extra 6.5

[chilly bolt]

There's team gain ult energy?

i didn't know that

[frozen tide]

for every 100 non returned sp used everyone on team gets 6.5 energy

unless an operator has a unique property

like lr where she cant get ult charge from anything other than her own bs and cs

[rare zodiac]

I mean Activate LR BS do give herself 6.5

[frozen tide]

are you certain?

[chilly bolt]

Pretty sure it's 16 on activation

[frozen tide]

rite bs startup should just give her 16

with no 6.5

i have tested it but was a while back

i can test again if youd like me to

[daring dove]

I don't think it makes sense for a character like LR to run too much ult gain honestly. Since she's more of a nuker playstyle. For Laevatain though it makes a ton of sense. Especially with weapon dupes.

[frozen tide]

rite bs energy is upon activation btw not on use

fun fact

[rare zodiac]

Activate the BS give some, and when FS the dual hit give some

[midnight stirrup]

Wtf is this

Theres no out

[chilly bolt]

Btw what's your take on frontier chest vs aethertech

[drifting quest]

skill issue

[frozen tide]

aight lemme go record against rhod again

[midnight stirrup]

Tell me the out

[chilly bolt]

The i piece vertically at bottom

[twilit quail]

[chilly bolt]

Then go from that

[twilit quail]

impossible puzzle

[midnight stirrup]

Im gonna end myself within 5s

I dont see it

[daring dove]

Did your parents never get you one of these as a kid.

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[midnight stirrup]

I hope you trip

Help

[chilly bolt]

...

[frozen tide]

yeah no she only gets energy from startup

lemme post

[rare zodiac]

Yeah i just test it

My bad

[frozen tide]

happens

[daring dove]

Dude it's really obvious.... Move the one staped like a backward F down to 4/4 row.

[frozen tide]

did u also test how much energy it gives

last i tested it was just 16

[daring dove]

Rotate the other one.

[frozen tide]

or so i remember

if not i can go record that rq too

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15IpOOialtMQwAQEXlcop-WG-ckStm1Vf/view?usp=sharing

this is fs test

[rare zodiac]

It said to be 16 in the tool tip

I don’t think they would fuk that up

[midnight stirrup]

I figured it out

[frozen tide]

well its a valid question to have

[midnight stirrup]

Can someone not have a blindness on a puzzle

[rare zodiac]

Or we can pixel counting

[frozen tide]

whether the default 6.5 applies or not since its still from lrs bs

[midnight stirrup]

Ive been doing 15 in a row

[frozen tide]

nah easy way to find out

if you do 3 3 from 0 ult charge

you shouldnt get ult if theres no extra 6.5

with no ult gain

[rare zodiac]

Yeah that should work

[twilit quail]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1cVfEBYEKu/

purple weapon

1589 atk

[earnest patio]

is some new event coming up is there a site or something to track timeline

[twilit quail]

0 energy start

rhodan trim

[midnight stirrup]

Look at ur ingame news

[twilit quail]

it's so unserious

this game

[outer ermine]

its rhod so

[midnight stirrup]

Tbf

Name one serious gacha

[rare zodiac]

Like combat wise or??

[midnight stirrup]

You failed

There is no serious gacha

Only thing you can count are mmos

[trim cipher]

Story wise PGR is as serious as it can get

[rare zodiac]

PGR combat used to be good, the tension and challenges it have is amazing , now it just hack and slash slob

[midnight stirrup]

for a gacha

[trim cipher]

and WuWa 3.1 introduces heavy stakes into the story for the first time

[pure spoke]

And became coomerbait too

[trim cipher]

what's your point?

[drifting quest]

define serious

[trim cipher]

we are talking gacha here genius

[drifting quest]

i think several gacha have moments that are serious

and moments that are goofy

[trim cipher]

do you expect Omori type of story from a mainstream gacha game?

[drifting quest]

all the hoyo ones do both, ww, limbus company, arknights

[midnight stirrup]

Does bro not realise I asked the question

and answered the question

[drifting quest]

even endfield has both serious and goofy moments so far

[trim cipher]

It's too early for Endfield but there is a potential for the story to get real dark

like all the stuff with the originium and perlica being kinda sus

''don't worry about it, Endmin''

[midnight stirrup]

Most serious thing about gacha is gacha players taking their gacha way too serious

[outer ermine]

i got some serious gameplay for u on mobile

[trim cipher]

live service games tend to be like that

[daring dove]

I mean look at Shadowbringers in Final Fantasy XIV, that story was a stroke of genius out of nowhere. Then the developers forgot how to write again. Sometimes you're lucky an get an amazing story out of nowhere.

[pure spoke]

Didnt they change the writer after shb?

[outer ermine]

mobile apm be like

[midnight stirrup]

Thats not very endfield of u

Very serious yessu

[daring dove]

They must of changed him back to the old one for Dawntrail, I didn't even bother with that one.

[outer ermine]

just realized 3 of my runs was w 2 xiranite

fuck

-2 ginseng

[frozen tide]

@rare zodiac yeah no extra 6.5

you are like 1 tick off ult with 3 3

which is in accordance with calc

sloppy ass run but ill post nontheless

[twilit quail]

after shb they put the head writer in charge of like

random role quests

lmao

which actually had mixed receptions

[frozen tide]

i was actually struggling to 3 3 with xaihi with no pre fight bs and brought out the estelle

😭

[twilit quail]

reportedly they brought her back on recently but idk

I only playing ff14 to mod and raid nowadays

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711208910459109466/1444956834715795466/ezgif-299169b000439238.gif

[daring dove]

Wtf mobile games you be playing.

[frozen tide]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-endmin-chen-qianyu-endfield-beta-test-endfield-test-gif-17644579196351255591

[safe sand]

rhodagn really does die too fast to test rotations on huh

[neat snow]

Yes I melt him

[frozen tide]

you need to put bob weaps on and scale up calcs accordingly

😭

[midnight stirrup]

Just equip lvl 1 weapons

[outer ermine]

good ones

[chilly bolt]

Is this just normal animation cancel

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/75ZaxapnyMp2w

[frozen tide]

no its testing

how much energy bs gives

[chilly bolt]

But the vid

[frozen tide]

i was pretty certain from previous ttestings

but havent recorded

[twilit quail]

sp refund is so fucking evil man

why did they make it this way

[frozen tide]

its sloppy af but gets the job done

[rare zodiac]

Shh let bro find out

[frozen tide]

oh its wrong vid

😭

[chilly bolt]

[frozen tide]

bruh

wrong vid

how did that even happen