theorycrafting

[warm galleon]

How much DPS loss my Laev will lose if I gave her Yvonne gears? I have her sig with no dupe.

[drifting quest]

quite a bit

[warm galleon]

50%+?

[neat snow]

Actually I think I can do a lot more. With hot works

[drifting quest]

hard to say exactly

just like

[edgy crater]

crit build surtr?

[drifting quest]

craft a normal laev set

doesnt need artificing

it will be better than your artificed crit gear

[celest carbon]

how much worse is pog's signature compared to thermite cutter and fortmaker?

[wind nebula]

who would use Link if you ran phys without endmin/da pan? Chen? probably have to just restructure your builds completely

[warm galleon]

Well laev is also lv 40 so

[drifting quest]

~10-15%

on par with fortmaker

for the most part

[drifting quest]

you link chen ult a decent amount of the time anyway

[celest carbon]

damn feels bad pulling for his sig only for it to be worse than a weapon i already had

[drifting quest]

can link endmin combo or ult in other cases

[lilac bloom]

ember gets actually nothing from link

[drifting quest]

correct

[celest carbon]

at least he looks cool

[drifting quest]

pog sig could come back in future, with new gear sets or a new physical dps to replace endmin/dapan

remains to be seen

at the very least you can run it if you want

the losses are not stopping you from clearing

[celest carbon]

that's true

i just like minmaxing, knowing that i could be doing 10-15% more dmg by just switching his weapon is haunting me lol

hopefully they add layered weapons in the future

[lilac bloom]

the first link goes to lifeng doesnt it

[drifting quest]

what

[lilac bloom]

doesnt lifeng get something out of his link?

[drifting quest]

only if you use his skill or ult after combo

and its just the generic link buff

[lilac bloom]

he gets a 3rd hit off ult with link

[drifting quest]

oh

that

yeah you ignore it

[neat snow]

ok i think i lined it all up this time, susceptibility into link into bs? with stagger. just need it to crit. am i missing anything

[drifting quest]

maybe once you're like p3/p3 or something

[lilac bloom]

isnt it still decent while youre starting off though

ig not since it wouldnt get breach dmg bonus

[drifting quest]

its still just less than breaching something good

maybe if you mean like

level 10 fighting overworld trash

but atp it does not matter

[lilac bloom]

i mean its a 600% mult

thats m3 though i think

[drifting quest]

lifeng max mult is like 1400 at m3
chen's is like 1500 at m3

ignoring how chen is typically build in such a way that makes her damage scale higher

[neat snow]

ok last one i got the crit for almost 700k with laev XD

[cerulean wigeon]

how are people trimming triag with mono phys? the phase where it spawns little aggeloi always messes with my time

is grouping by holding lifeng ult the only thing i can do

[drifting quest]

not required but can help

[tender crane]

I kind of just killed them fast

[cerulean wigeon]

they be spreadin out

[tender crane]

Use skills but not all of them

[edgy crater]

cant u just stagger turbo Doritos with physical

[cerulean wigeon]

boss itself is fine

the little ones running away are the issue

guess i just hold lifeng ult for grouping

[tender crane]

Pog ult could work too

[cerulean wigeon]

Have him too so ig ill try with both

[tender crane]

What I like to do is use Pog to group all them up and then use lifeng to apply 2 vul

[lilac bloom]

yea i forget chen is a freak of nature

[wind nebula]

I did it with Endmin, chen, pog, Ember. just kinda went ham, But i used stew as well so who knows

[tender crane]

Oh yea

Foods are very important

Those items that give 25% DMG boost

Pretty sure scorch bugs give the crafting recipe

[neat snow]

I forgot food. Wonder how high I'd hit with that

[edgy crater]

jacub legacy exist, u can buy it too

[lilac bloom]

i need to start producing the stuff for ginseng soup

[tender crane]

Isn't the scorch bug food the best one?

[celest carbon]

arts intensity affects crush right?

[lilac bloom]

yes

[wind nebula]

you mostly run into people saying ginseng meat stew is the best, but I don't know the math personally

[lilac bloom]

its the only source of flat bonus

[drifting quest]

both ginseng and jakubs can be optimal

differs per unit

[lilac bloom]

probably based on attack% bonuses in the team

ginseng might be better if there are already plenty of sources?

[drifting quest]

depends on stat attack% versus base attack

[normal tangle]

what playables have we already seen so far that aren't ingame, just the big 4?

is there some niche mf in a sidequest i'm forgetting about

[bronze plume]

i mean the question is moreso if they will be playable

[normal tangle]

like who?

[bronze plume]

.fjall

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086661220040774/1433858574190248148/image.png?ex=6906385b&is=6904e6db&hm=bdae0ff3d263f065cad7a2794b9588c91abed98f886a50b0caa00f551d5c6fd9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=593&height=593

[normal tangle]

[potent hornet]

all done for the artificing

last one on frontier is int, don't need it

[ancient drift]

How much atk?

[potent hornet]

withy ginsing

[ancient drift]

Nice

[potent hornet]

laev is next

luckily i had to level laevs essence for stanza anyway

so thats already done

working on wulf essence

[open hare]

ball

[open hare]

I was about to say how tf you have that much str

[edgy crater]

670 str normal for p2+ lr

[open hare]

P2 last rite gives str?

I didn't read that

I have 9/8/4 essence ngl

[open hare]

Seems like Im blind

But he used ginseng

So

[potent hornet]

yea first one was without

2nd was with

[edgy crater]

u only asked why his lr get so much str n not how his lr got so much atk

[open hare]

Wait

I just woke up

[potent hornet]

yea her loyalty gives a bunch of str as well

ginsing doesn't do anything for str

so gear loyalty and p2

[bronze plume]

670 is kinda a normal amount of the main stat of a fully built unit in the first place

[open hare]

My last ritr only has 650 str

[potent hornet]

yea unless you are doing pog shinanigans

[edgy crater]

not for non p2 lr

[bronze plume]

yeah thats because 650 is the max without pots

[potent hornet]

you are using bonecrusher no?

[bronze plume]

me when pots give stats

[edgy crater]

p0-1 lr max at 650 str for sure

[open hare]

My fully built LR has 650 str without p2

[open hare]

No

[bronze plume]

do i really have to specify around 670

[potent hornet]

what chest?>

[open hare]

Idk

[edgy crater]

yes

[bronze plume]

sigh

[open hare]

Lycoris

https://tenor.com/view/lycoris-lycoris-recoil-recoil-chisato-chisato-nishikigi-gif-1043116124580096178

HG let me in

[potent hornet]

oh and str from a maxed khrav

with stanza maxed going

and ginsing

[open hare]

Bruh

That last rite is gonna slap

[potent hornet]

yerp she does some good damage, i have xaihi and ards weapons good enough at this point so i'm moving to the next team

[edgy crater]

meanwhile still pushing xaihi int

also sometimes i forgot xaihi give +10% damage taken from her combo

[potent hornet]

i haven't done my supports artificing yet

the other important part is you can take dmg when you use her

can't

[edgy crater]

im sure u still cant

[potent hornet]

her battle skill relies on you being at full health to get the buff

[edgy crater]

well yeah

[potent hornet]

gotta at least make sure the first final strike is at full health

[edgy crater]

kek yeah, reset turbo if not

[civic wolf]

so a second Detonation Unit huh

any chance this thing would get relevant? or nah not really

[torn pilot]

why is endmins basic attack worth upgrading?

on phys team ofc

[potent hornet]

detonation unit is good

[peak void]

is anyone's game running smoother for some reason

[ocean hawk]

uhhh, is there a small patch or something ?

coz I felt nothing

[peak void]

ive no idea

[lilac bloom]

whats better for chen between sundering and aspirant if i have thermite cutter

[peak void]

sundering

[lilac bloom]

howcome? atk% is still more value?

im not opposing i just wanna know more indepth if you can provide that 😭

[dry kindle]

Dupe dependant

And crit gambling

[ashen scroll]

The game get more laggy with mylaptop , but i get like 10 extra fps on PC, i think they changed some optimization

[lilac bloom]

bc it only buffs the ult right?

[ashen scroll]

[peak void]

i play solely on laptop and there was nothing but improvement for me

[peak void]

atk good yep

[ashen scroll]

My wildguess is something to do with the processor, since endfield weirdly light on GPU

[peak void]

the buff from aspirant is some dmg% which gets diluted from a lot of srcs

[ashen scroll]

Im not very good at tech so its feelcrafting XD

[dry kindle]

[ashen scroll]

Anw , for gilberta weapon po sig/p0 stanza or p5 opus etch figure

Which one better

[dry kindle]

You're not getting a p5 opus so

[ashen scroll]

What about p3

[summer flicker]

do you play electric/ teams that have stacks that r excess

if yes, gilb sig enable art stacking gear -> big corrosion

[dry kindle]

Stop being a werido

[summer flicker]

if no, stanza p5 is ~ or better for certain comp

[ashen scroll]

?

[dry kindle]

Opus just pain in the ass by default anyway

[peak void]

oh should i ping kame now

[peak void]

stanza woke me up

[ashen scroll]

Touch grass sworce youre not helping alot rn

[dry kindle]

Anything but opus

Yw

[lost void]

Guys, thoughts on max promotion Ch'en?

Somebody tried Triaggelos solo trimmed.
https://youtu.be/rBQCIDudl_8?si=q-OuJgaGR2iER6zq

[ashen scroll]

What about p0 tho , is opus buff still worse?

[summer flicker]

p5 opus < p0 delivery

that speaks for it self

[ashen scroll]

Dang , is all bp weapon garbage lmao

[dry kindle]

Stanza better anyway

Opus trigger is shit

Numbers eh

No ult gen

[summer flicker]

stanza p5 is like 2500 at anyway, and you want to get it anyway cuz it so universal

[dry kindle]

Explode

Also

Umbral update tomorrow

[signal sundial]

how much of the trimmed medal is character investment vs personal skill?

[summer flicker]

the only thing kinda ok, is the copium yvonne sig, but well, most ppl will just get her sig because she's dps and the 10% diff is alot for a mdps

[signal sundial]

like i imagine there's a minimum like at least dps at 90/90/m12 or something?

[peak void]

usually 50/50

[dry kindle]

Mostly skill

[ashen scroll]

The problem is im missing 1 pot for maxpot forgeborn so my stanza still stuck at p0 XD

[dry kindle]

Levels just make it easier

[summer flicker]

food, lvl 9 skill, etc + some half decent essence should clear trim

[peak void]

the humble p5 nav being 10% worse than sig

[summer flicker]

or 15%

[dry kindle]

Ok but p5 nav

[summer flicker]

i dont remember

[dry kindle]

[summer flicker]

[peak void]

well what are u gonna do with bp wep anw

gilb bp sucks

[summer flicker]

let them rot

kekw

[signal sundial]

Looks like it's skill issue for me then

[peak void]

lae bp isnt bad but youre losing a lot without sig

[signal sundial]

But I haven't looked into food yet

[summer flicker]

dont worry, i havent trimmed yet

im lazy

[peak void]

i trimmed

[summer flicker]

me waiting for sig

[signal sundial]

I mean I got my electro team to an endgame-y ish state I thought I'd give it a try

[ashen scroll]

, they give 2 box and 2 pot for bp weapon and im looking for a way to use them

The sword is meh , orbs compete with 5☆ and the gun is hopium

[signal sundial]

I don't really want to lvl 90 anything yet cos it'll take so much tcreds I rather build horizontally like in arknights

[dry kindle]

Oh electric

[ashen scroll]

[dry kindle]

Yeah have fun

Do you have gilberta

[signal sundial]

Not me missing 99% of my DPS because I misplaced myself

[signal sundial]

Pulling for her but I gotta spark her atp

[dry kindle]

Max your dps

[summer flicker]

im m12 my yvonne

maybe in a week or sth

[signal sundial]

I saw deto unit is in the arsenal shop so I'm just gonna buy it for perli

I got oblivion from the box but apparently that's a mistake

[ashen scroll]

She belong to growth chamber 😠

[summer flicker]

nah, she the best dps to me

[ashen scroll]

What weapon u use for her

U got her sig?

[summer flicker]

sig

waiting

[ashen scroll]

[summer flicker]

to pull

[ashen scroll]

So she like

Weaponless rn

[summer flicker]

navigator p0 rn

[ashen scroll]

[summer flicker]

bad essence tho

[ashen scroll]

Well tbf she atleast looks better than LR

Less mentaly ill too

[summer flicker]

i can break her

[bold rose]

Tangtang likely replaces the Endmin/Pan slot in phys team right?

[ocean hawk]

we didnt know about tangtang element yet no ?

[signal sundial]

Element of chaos /s

[signal sundial]

Oh right was gonna ask, gilberta better as the nature op or is she flex with ardelia?

[dry kindle]

Takes ardelia slot

[quick jungle]

hi guys

[signal sundial]

Noooo not the sheep girl

[quick jungle]

I have heard whispers on the wind that sundering steel may not be bis on chen in every situation

[signal sundial]

But ya she can be awkward to reapply debuffs sometimes

[quick jungle]

any confirmers

[lost void]

It's your account it's up to you which you want to capture the moment with trimmed medal. There's a new set upcoming with update tomorrow?

[signal sundial]

That's easy to say but I'm p sure there's a break point in which you literally dont have enough dps

I was just wondering at which point that is

[lost void]

It depends on the team comp and mode. With umbral there's even a catcher solo clear so it's just a matter of adding more in the squad that would make clear time faster.

I even saw a Pog clear with Snowshine, Catcher and Ember in it for trimmed medal.

[lost void]

"new" thunder team Zhuang sword
Tangtang gun

[signal sundial]

Trimmed umbral is no issue for me

I was wondering trimmed bosses

Since that one had a real time limit

[proper walrus]

how future proof is gilberta?

compared to arde which both kinda does similar stuff

[edgy crater]

as long as u really aggressive, should be easy to get trimmed

well except Doritos maybe

[tight haven]

i actually hope they make tangtang like

nature

atp

so many people thinking shes a phys striker for fun

[unreal light]

Hail Pog Harem

[tight haven]

(nothing wrong with this its just funny how so many people immediately bought this with 0 evidence)

i think it would be cool though i want to kick either chen or endmin out

[unreal light]

Chen mainstay

[tight haven]

ngl i just hope her basics are better

if she is a gun user then uh

bruh

[lost void]

they're both support but their contribution to the team is completely different.

Ardelia is primarily heal oriented then secondarily debuffa, Gilberta is ace at crowd control with debuff and secondarily heals and not as noticeable as Ardelia's.

[signal sundial]

i feel its quite hard to keep ardelia's debuffs up if you're constantly applying statuses

not sure if this is the consensus or im just bad

[warped gate]

feels wonky to play because you don't have enough ultimate gain

[signal sundial]

then again

antal is supposedly the better slot in for the electric team anyway

but cute sheep girl so

[unreal light]

Yeah, it depends on the team, some teams don’t really have spare sp for Ardelia to use her BS

[lilac bloom]

this crossbow enemy fucking suuuuuuuuuuuucks

[green acorn]

grouping can also be invaluable, the second stage of Umbral with LR was utterly awful just running around ST'ing them down, the second I got Gil the clear time shrunk enormously 😅

[signal sundial]

[warped gate]

gil is insane QOL for LR and Yv

[signal sundial]

ya lowkey im missing the cc part of gilb's kit

IF ONLY I DIDNT LOSE THE 5050 TO EMBER

[unreal light]

For like anyone, tbh

[signal sundial]

[lost void]

If you want her phys debuff then you need to use corrosion for it so it may work against teams building 4 stacks.

[warped gate]

not so much for laev

although laev is more like the exception

[unreal light]

Well, it’s still very much for electro and phys

[warped gate]

yeah agreed on that

i've heard some phys users argue that you can replace gilb with lifeng's ult

[unreal light]

Haha, with pog ult

It somewhat groups up enemies at use

[warped gate]

man, 1.7k attack difference

but charging laev's ult in 1 cycle instead of 2...

[lost void]

Gilb is perfect for phys-elemental units since she can amplify both damage source. So she might do well on an Alesh-Estella duo or somebody else who has hybrid damage output.

Or Arclight-Perlica

[open hare]

Guys, I think I bought too much

My factory needs to grow, not my collection

[hollow wyvern]

does anyone have p1 yvonne or know of a clear vid of her combo

I wanna know if p1 increases the duration of the combo or simply shortens the time inbetween ticks

[open hare]

Ask team-building, tc bois aint here

[warm galleon]

I thought p1 is just extra 2 pulse, I never considered the possibility of ticks being shorter but tbh I'm going for p1 for ult gain.

Unless I accidentally p5 her

[hollow wyvern]

from vid I got, it seems they sped it up

that definitely seems like 2 pulse per sec

was worried that it would extend duration making final hit harder to land, but it shouldn't extend it at all

[warm galleon]

So the pulse duration is the same as base, they sped up to push the extra 2

[hollow wyvern]

same cc but more likely to land the final hit, I'd say it's prob worth

[heady merlin]

Guys what's the best gear for pogran?

[proud vector]

*In #team-build

since we don't have it pinned here

because i guess we don't have the power to pin D:

[umbral galleon]

Accidentally

[proper walrus]

debuffs wise who does it better? arde seems tied to corrosion but gilbert can be used with any arts right?

[dawn patrol]

[wind nebula]

Ardelia is self sufficient so I wouldn't think of it that way. She consumes corrosion to fuel her susceptibility

[rare zodiac]

Arde give longer debuff and have both phys and art, Gilb have shorter but more powerful art debuff

[lost void]

Gilberta will contribute more with lesser clear time due to her vortex and lift. It also adds vuln to phys team so she can fit right in but her healing output is minimal compared to Ardelia's.

But if you are are going blind and attempt to clear unkown content or having trouble with survivability then Ardelia's heals will have more value in keeping the entire team alive. A dead DPS is zero dps anyways.

Ardelia is good for beginners or if you're just starting out without prior experience/knowledge of the encounter but if you are confident with how you pilot the team and their promotion then switching to other support such as Gilberta or in the case of phys team have the appropriate characters such as PoG.

[proper walrus]

no one is using gilb for phsy tho? cause no one uses arts

also her buffs doesnt give phys susceptability

might as well use ember cause her combo gives vuln too

[lost void]

Usually Ch'en does most of the vuln stacking. But I saw vid with someone using her because of how efficient huddling up every enemies at one spot then go for the big hitter.

[wind nebula]

Ember unironically probably outperforms gilberta as the 4th slot in physical teams. Doubt Stanza can cover the gap, but it might

[proper walrus]

if she gives physical susceptability per vuln stack i could see some use? but then physical stacks get consumed fast so idk

[valid palm]

This might sound like a weird question, but does anybody here speak Chinese? I wanted to reach out to Endaxis to inquire about some of their data - but because of the rather technical nature of the discussion, I don't want anything to get lost in (machine/AI) translation 😅

[wind nebula]

So AOE content is the driving motivator there, not physical synergy.

Interesting choice because Pog and Li Feng can both gather as well, but content now isn't that strict so it still works

[rare zodiac]

Iana is Chinese

[valid palm]

I heard something about them being on vacation

[real mist]

what is yvonne's best team rn

[lost void]

Like I said she will have better support to phys-elemental units and comp.

Some character that does physical damage and arts infliction,rxn and have a particular one phys unit that use up vuln stacks like crush/breach so the choices are quite limited now since Endmin and Pog are the only ones I beliebe who are vuln consumers.

[valid palm]

Da Pan also consumes

[wind nebula]

I think Gilberta can do work in Shatter teams, but that's as far as the physical synergy goes for now

[lost void]

I keep forgetting about him. He is unique though since he can quickly replace vuln from consuming crush with his skills & ulti.

[cinder oxide]

This car points at nerds 🤓

[valid palm]

I'm running Chen/Endmin/Estella/Gilb for my casual/story comp just cause I like the characters. It actually works very well, but it's obviously not going to be as strong as Pog doing Pog things.

[rare zodiac]

If mix dmg then don’t arde dual sus a better choice?

[lost void]

Yeah the game is quite linient about team comp since you cab mix-match the team dependjng on what you have or who you put in the team.

[lost void]

She does it with P2 I think since she can provide art sus based on vuln stacks, Gilberta.

[valid palm]

She does that at base, her dupe just gives her one 'free' stack on the calc

(so you get max bonus at 3 vuln instead of 4)

[lost void]

Gilberta is like a jill-of-all-trades kind of spot. She does so many things at once.

[valid palm]

Jill of All Trades, master of none (except being fucking adorable)

Her design is cute and all (like her boots, fox stuff), but not really that impressive or stand-out. The real secret is that whoever at Hypergryph designed her animations was cooking harder than Gordon Ramsey.

[wind nebula]

Nah, she's a master alright. She singlehandedly pushes Yvonne into meta levels, for example.

At least if the community narrative is to be believed

[lost void]

In a time trial/restriction situation every second counts, you don't want strays or highly mobile enemies wander too far from your primary target and let you chase it for the kill.

You make every skill and hit counts and hit all enemies standing ideally and not waste any damage being done.

[wind nebula]

They've yet to release multi target content with meaningful time pressure except phase 2 triaggelos and that's pretty short and not too bad to clear even single target

[green acorn]

She also has Venti ult as a battle skill, in situations where it works it's S tier utility

[valid palm]

I think it's partly due to lack of options in 1.0. She is very Jill of All Trades in her kit, and won't be the master once we get a truly dedicated Arts-buffing unit. Right now she's 'the' Arts-buffer because we don't have anybody on the same tier as Pog for Arts.

[valid palm]

It is insanely satisfying to use Gilb/Estella in the overworld to just blow the heads off a whole group of adds

[wind nebula]

People keep sleeping on her invisible traits.

Stanza + corruption + gather + arts susc (strong) + cc

[lost void]

Yeah we don't have a stage/boss mechanics where you have to kill every adds in x seconds otherwise wipe so her utilty is crucial.

I mean the game already has some interesting boss mechanics at play so it's not farfetched some complex boss fight mechanics will be included as we progress in future patches/story.

[wind nebula]

When mono nature teams show up, she can switch to Deto unit

[valid palm]

I don't think she's bad at all. She's just generalized. Her niche is that she does it all and can fit in a lot of teams. But once we get a wider cast of characters, she won't be the master of any one feature, like she is right now with Arts buffing.

[green acorn]

She definitely feels like the "Kazuha" of Endfield, where even if more niche buff units appear, she can just slot in alongside them and they can prop each other even further up

[valid palm]

I think characters like Gilberta are very important early on since they are so versatile. People can pull on them without bricking their account

They're always going to get good use out of them.

[valid palm]

Good take

[wind nebula]

Her niche of mastery will slowly shrink sure but not faster than the average dps character does, imo.

She has a lot of role consolidation and that alone can make her valuable as people keep looking for ways to squeeze their favorite characters together

[dry kindle]

me when 4 stack corrosion

[valid palm]

I don't play Genshin anymore, but back when I did it was a constant cycle of

new support comes up
"omg guys they'll finally replace kazuha"
you run both kazuha and new unit

[lost void]

Gilberta is mainstay. There's a reason why in the intro/prelude it was Endmin, Laevatein, Perlica and her against the collosal.

[green acorn]

Ayup, it's somewhat unique to have a team like phys where your damage is spread out, but if we look at the "hypers" in Laev/LR/Yvonne, they tend to have 2 slots that are fairly flexible, so if a specific buffer comes out they'll slot in alongside Xaihi/Wulfgard, but you'll still have another slot which Gilberta can fill while bringing a wealth of general "goodstuff" with her kit + weapon type

[wind nebula]

And then they threw her main story relevance in the bin and replaced with such a disappointment, imo.

Whyyy

[valid palm]

I think it's actually really funny they included Laevatain in the intro, because they chose one of the only two units in the game (at launch) that forced them to code a second, alternate version of her ult in order to let her be included in the intro.

Like I get that they just wanted to shill 1.0 banner unit and the other 1.0 banner unit besides Gilb was Yvonne, which would have the same issue

But it's still funny to me

[lost void]

Well the story of Arknight OG-Endfield is like a time cycle/loop. Some lore drop.

[valid palm]

I know. But Lae's ult forces you to take control of her in order to use her enhanced mode, but they don't want you to control Lae or your other party mates during the intro, only Endmin.

So they had to special-code her ult during the intro so that she could use it as an NPC, rather than just putting a different lore-relevant unit there with a regular ult

[lost void]

Well Surtr, Gilberta, Hellagur are part of the expedition team that cross the stargate to Talos II along with Warfarin. I believe they actually died in the First Aggeloi war and just cloned/ressurected with a new identity because of their data stored inside the originium.

Originium isn't just a power source but also data storage.

[edgy crater]

nah, ange should've die before aethere gate fixed

[wind nebula]

A character named after a prescription anti coagulant will never not weird me out

[lost void]

Even their Arknights skins are easter egg.

[unreal light]

Hi there

[edgy crater]

ah yeah, belts skin

[unreal light]

Arclight applies electrification level 1?

With her ultimate

[dry kindle]

wait

theres another stanza in store tf

[unreal light]

Glory to stanza republic

[peak void]

wtf im gonna go broke

they cant keep DOING THIS

[warm galleon]

They saw the sales two days ago and they're like
Okay one more stanza!

[dry kindle]

i only have 3k arsenal tickets

fuck off game

😭

[peak void]

i have 400

[warm galleon]

Skill issue

[peak void]

please

[edgy crater]

buy it

[peak void]

nope i will just get 10 stanza in my next arsenal pull

[dry kindle]

i didnt even buy sundering steel yesterday

[edgy crater]

bruh why

[wind nebula]

It scales with amount of infliction stacks she consumes

[dry kindle]

i dont play phys

[unreal light]

Oh wait

She may apply 4 stack electrification

Insane

[wind nebula]

Still not enough to keep her from getting kicked off her own team by gilberta

[unreal light]

Depends on what we consider her own team

Gilberta does not provide any SP

She replaces antal or Perl

[wind nebula]

So when you run gilberta, you run Akekuri

[unreal light]

So you kick Arclight off some team by akekuri

And given she provides 4 stack electrification, the said kick is debatable

[wind nebula]

Not how I see it, because if you don't have gilberta, you can run Arclight and Akekuri together without losing mich

It's a little memey but it's not hopelessly behind or anything.

But once you have gilberta, Arclight is the first to go

[unreal light]

Have you sheeted that?

Cause I did not yet, and I haven’t seen any

[dry kindle]

she does

[unreal light]

For me it’s just the rumors

[wind nebula]

I trust the other sheeter types. The napkin math checks out as far as buckets and numerical comparisons go

[unreal light]

Did he do a sheet on that case

[wind nebula]

Who knows? These are takes I've gathered over days I don't keep track of when and where I saw things.

[lost void]

Arclight works far better than Avywenna though and there is no need for long setup.

Have you seen the Umbral brutes killed in 52 seconds without Avywenna in it?

[unreal light]

It just seems off that some say Akekuri is stronger, despite the fact that well you gotta run arts intensity perl instead of dps perl to debuff

[peak void]

is it worth maxing strength on this or should i just save my catalysts

[unreal light]

And Arclight buffs not only avy, but also perl and herself

While Akekuri provides 0 damage to the team outside of a single link and 10% atk from ulti

[rich linden]

its free so yea its worth but its not a significant increase

[unreal light]

It is not free

[rich linden]

anything u dont use irl moneys is free

[peak void]

its not free bro, i could be building smth else with the stock/comp

[rich linden]

yea u can do that

ur not losing out on much

[peak void]

how flippant

[wind nebula]

It should come as no surprise that when you do 30% Link on the nuke in a team based around that nuke, it contributes a ton.

Also perl gets moderate enhancements to her electrification with Potentials and Iana sheets at P5 for 5 stars

[rich linden]

no im being fr

[unreal light]

You’ll gain 17 str which is +3,4% to your attribute multiplier

If you already have +350% attribute multiplier, it’s a 0,75% dps increase

[rich linden]

😭

[peak void]

being fr what, first u say yes worth, and then say no after

[rich linden]

its worth bc its free

[unreal light]

And it is not free

It costs you your lifetime

[peak void]

thanks for the math, guess im not doing it then

[unreal light]

[rich linden]

but you dont need to do it cus its not that big

its just how i view the game

i am personally doing it cus i like even 1% improvements and it does add up

but if theres another comp u wanna build, youll see bigger improvements by using ur resources to upgrade st else

[peak void]

simplify the question and its "is using a timegated resource worth 1% improvement"

[rich linden]

for me yes

[peak void]

and for me, and perhaps a lot of ppl, no

[wind nebula]

I was reading that perlicas translation is wrong about a potential that increases electrification duration. They were saying it actually increases the potency of the debuff

[rich linden]

probably

[dry kindle]

bleh did masteries finally

[green acorn]

Ayup, P1 increases duration, P4 increases the intensity

[wind nebula]

So doesn't that effectively mean that Arclight is competing with basically a level 2 electrification, instead of a level one?

[rich linden]

crazy how fast some people make assumptions of others ngl

[rare zodiac]

Ya

[peak void]

do ops gain exp when theyre in the squad but dead

like fighting enemies like this

i cant test anymore cus i hit the daily exp limit testing turret layout lol

[rare zodiac]

The thing about arc is, she recovers less sp than ake, she need to consume elec with BS 2 time to buff, while ake just ult and profit

[steady gate]

last i checked, no

[peak void]

unforch, guess ill stuff their mouth with yazhen

[wind nebula]

Yeah, I feel like when you don't have gilberta, the actual flex slot is Antal/Arclight based on your taste/content. Primarily because Antal is a spreadsheet monster that feels like cheeks in anything that isn't bossing. The other two should be Akekuri and Perlica.

Once you have gilberta, she gaps both so hard you just leave them behind

[peak void]

the fact your teammates wont use yazhen on controlled op is big

so u can put yazhen on 3 and have your main op have nothing

[steady gate]

Just make sure they have some gear so they won't get one shot, and it usually solves most of the problem.

[peak void]

thats what i do but they still die sometimes lol

[steady gate]

I had the same issue, but it went away after lvl 20 with gear. But I haven't figured out whether I want to continue doing it, or if there's one alluvium I like better than others.

[peak void]

wtf why did someone use yazhen on my controlled op

is the description a scam

[wind nebula]

I never interpreted the text in that manner in the first place

[unreal light]

How long it takes to get a chara to lvl 60?

[chilly bison]

@craggy pond they still bugging even with all the information i give them LMAO

[peak void]

its lacking this so i assumed such

[peak void]

an ungodly amt of time lol

[edgy crater]

which bug u submit?

[wind nebula]

Poor translation. I believe this means "only supports controlled operator"

[bronze plume]

it does not take long at all to get someone to lvl 60

[chilly bison]

LR combo skill proplem

[peak void]

a better way to look at it is you get 10k exp per unit per day

[edgy crater]

[bronze plume]

probably like if 0 resources max 4 days of sanity

[edgy crater]

oh yeah dat bug

[chilly bison]

yea

[peak void]

thats 12 hrs worth of exp from dijiang if u have 3 ops

[unreal light]

Which is equal to what amount of exp materials

[peak void]

3 yellow

10k = 1 yellow

[peak void]

we're talking raw combat exp farming, no sanity usage

[bronze plume]

ok but why would you do that

[peak void]

thats not within scope

[wind nebula]

30k pre 60 xp is roughly equivalent to 15-16 sanity

[fading moat]

would anyone benefit from a damage calculator?

[bronze plume]

im sure there would be some people out there that would be happy to see a actually accurate dmg calculator for the game

[wind nebula]

Maygi is supposed to be working on what sounds like version of (or companion tool) to end-axis that does live damage calculation

[peak void]

it really isnt a lot yea

[lost void]

I think for ARPG games how battle logs are nessary. Specially if it the report is ultra detailed like how much damage are negated, resisted, evaded, crit damage being reduced, how much damage multipliers are actually amplifying skills/attacks from buffs and all the details that you don't end up looking for third party site/app to do those things for you.

After all, all the necessary data are already in game and just being parced by third party calculators with your game file data being extracted.

[peak void]

while it can add up, its still cope

[fading moat]

so uh the calc is just a basis for a rotation total dmg calc

[steady gate]

You don't really need logs, since there's no randomness in the game, but a calculator's always helpful.

[bronze plume]

it would never not be cope in the first place

[peak void]

i never said its not

[bronze plume]

not what i meant smh

[peak void]

well then i just dont get it then

im just testing here, whatever ppl decide to do with the info isnt my concern anymore

[uncut kestrel]

Is this fine?

[lost void]

Battle log is a complete report of the entire fight from 0:00 up to your clear time.

It includes everything, overhealing, damage mitigation and not just percentage of total damage done from personal contribution and the entire team even overkill damage. I guess you guys don't play WoW that much?

[uncut kestrel]

Or did she need another piece?

[noble tapir]

Very

[uncut kestrel]

Ok great thanks! Now i can focus on my physical team

[wind nebula]

You know the meme where the top row is the person walking across the unobstructed track to victory while the bottom line is someone flipping over hurdles and using a jetpack to get to the same place?

Sheet TC in the current state of the game is already in the bottom row so I can't imagine how dedicated you would need to be for a battle log to greatly impact your activities

[lost void]

Why do things manually and over a spreadsheet when the actual calculations are being done realtime in game? It only needs a dedicated window to collate the necessary details you want to see.

It's 2026 already if spreadsheet can easily extract data files in-game how hard is it to make a command,function,prompt to show deets in-game. Why does it have do be done outside of the game?

[wind nebula]

Sheet TC is often about iteration and build comparison. Requiring real-time execution to see the results of your rotation is a value decrease during the comparison phase, and a novelty in the execution phase (due to the lack of impactful randomness, as you stated)

Btw I'm responding as if you're proposing someone build one as a mod or something, not requesting one from the devs themselves. Hadn't considered the latter

[blazing lake]

@rare rover do i spend my sanity on maxxing avy

or do i spend it on essence gamba

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[blazing lake]

i need an answer

[rare rover]

steak is best medium rare

[blazing lake]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/sml-brooklyn-guy-bet-bam-id-like-to-bet-it-all-supermariologan-gif-14517938900007052979

[rare rover]

hey he said he needed a answer , he didnt specify for what question

[lost void]

Well not if the game has that function which makes a history for your recorded battle similar to the results of your gacha pulls for a simpler comparison. I mean if they even want it to be fancy have recording function in-game since there is already camera feature so players can save the video and share it with probably a prepared table along the battle report/log so they can post&flex it in their social media or linked gaming platform accounts.

Additional features such as last battle, best time or something like that. I mean damage output isn't the only thing to consider from your entire gameplay. At times position,where you dodge and where you lure the enemies also count for better results.

[wind nebula]

I'm not against their existence, I just don't see the utility when you're not consistently asking "how did I die" or "where did I mess up my rotation".

Honestly my main metric is that if it was that valuable of a thing to add, the Chinese community would've already made one

[lost void]

I think ToF has some form of damage meter/battle log albeit on a simpler form.

It doesn't have to be eye catchy actually they should probably design the panel that won't be too obstructive to the player. Allow it to be movable across the screen, some transparency, able to be collpased on command input or it maximizes once the battle is complete. Even allow players to disable or enable the feature automatically on settings.

Actually this is a must and much needed since:

• Outworld difficulty is scaling based on exploration level,allowing you to downscale the difficulty if you find it too hard to deal with. On the other hand end game content are on a level bracket L60,80,90 version and probably soon 100,110,120)
• The content isn't calculated on CP/BP
• There is no standard flow of promoting a unit or a team as majority of the calculations are based heavily on character stats

[blazing lake]

sundering steel essence

im missing two 3/3 for the phy team

im p much got everything

rip etch

[wind nebula]

I can't even follow your reasoning, let alone envision what insurmountable problems players are supposed to be running into that can only be solved by a battle log.

Most games in this genre never have a battle log or even a proper practice facility and they do just fine.

Would it be an appreciated benefit for the sweatiest players? Yeah sure absolutely, not arguing that it shouldn't be added.

Mainly I'm arguing that there's so little value to be gained that neither the devs nor the community will ever commit the resources necessary to make one

In fact, I bet the lack of a log is an intentional choice by the devs, for reasons to do with engagement, retention, complexity, obfuscation of mechanics to the casual audience or some other business based decision point

[lost void]

Resources? even a college student programmer can easily add a simple battle log function for it to be considered insurmountable.

[wind nebula]

The insurmountable was referencing whatever problem the log was supposed to be solving, not the making of the log itself

[lost void]

How do you think your actual damage are being displayed on your screen real time?

[edgy crater]

u talking bout parsing log?

[lost void]

the actual data during an encounter so yeah a battle log.

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, endfield intended to casual player, showing log basically kill its purpose

[wind nebula]

I don't think you're understanding me at all. I'm saying "what insurmountable problem are you implying will be solved only by the existence of a battle log?"

[lost void]

Even ToF have their super simple damage meter/battle log on the corner and categorically logging everything per category (damage done, healing done, damage taken) in real time.

[wind nebula]

Because it's in a different genre. It's an actual mmo-ish... Thing

[outer ermine]

gateoo jumpscare

[lost void]

It's an ARPG game they are not strictly MMO

[midnight stirrup]

What is this discussion about? The game needing a DPS meter?

[wind nebula]

It has a large portion of its design centered around raid bosses fought by realtime groups of players

[lost void]

ToF game gesign isn't that far off from Endfield anyways aside from particulars.

[lost void]

Then how is it different if the log is recording/displaying things per character?

[wind nebula]

That's why it has a log and Genshin-likes don't

[signal thistle]

whats the best armor for my last rite

[edgy crater]

frontier

[lost void]

Aether gazer display battle log after a clear that's one way of implementing a battle log. I think PGR also have one?

I kinda forgot WuWa but there's a screen that records battle data right/

[midnight stirrup]

Depends on your investment level

< P2 Frontier

P3 > Bonekrusha

Aether generalist

[signal thistle]

im only P0

[wind nebula]

Google says no, it doesnt (Wuwa)

[signal thistle]

how about for bossing

frontier i guess?

[midnight stirrup]

< P2 Frontier

P3 > Bonekrusha

[outer ermine]

ag has result screen after fight w dmg, heal, dmg taken

[wind nebula]

I doesn't look like PGR does either?

Whatever the case, I wouldn't expect the devs or the community to be scrambling to create a battle log. If one popped up I bet it'd get plenty of use and a lot of the community would learn to love it, but the vast majority won't even realize they don't have one

[outer ermine]

man cant even grind this week fuck

[midnight stirrup]

Genshin only recently got one bc of Milliastra Wonderland

HSR doesnt have one

ZZZ doesnt have one?

Wuwa doesnt have one afaik either

AKEF doesnt have one

[daring dove]

I'm officially a mint picker now.

[calm field]

officially joining than playing the game now

[wind nebula]

Yeah, and that's not even a battle log for general content, it's a practice area which is a level of value added that DOES make sense. A practice room is something many people would get excited about

[lost void]

One of the oldest game played even by Chinese World of Warcraft has battle log per fight in open world, dungeons, boss. Initially as an add-on then after decades finally included the feature in-game due to player demand.

[midnight stirrup]

A general log for battle content is pointless for a singleplayer game.

Only reason it'd be used is to flex over each other in a discord server.

[wind nebula]

That's what I've been saying!

[midnight stirrup]

Which, grow up.

It's different in mmo's, cause theres actual merit behind knowing everyones participation.

A battle dummy however, is useful.

AKEF doesnt rly need one as of right now though.

Combat isnt complex at all.

[wind nebula]

Holy you hit the nail on the head.

The existence of a battle log means you can share numbers without displaying images of the characters and their attacks, reducing the marketing value of flex-posting and other novel snapshots.

They will never-EVER add a battle log of their own will

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah, I dont see it happening either.

I guess people want leaderboards? Thats the only reason I can see for it existing.

[lost void]

Anyways it's really easy to implement and would just take several line for devs to implement a feature like this.

Atleast battle logs will make you aware of things happening that's not visually presented on screen.

[midnight stirrup]

But again, thats flexing who has the better dihh.

[midnight stirrup]

The game really aint that serious

If you need a battle log for a game like this, all I can say is damn.

It's that difficult for you to follow?

[lost void]

What are you talking about, it's happening even wiithout the existence of it so what difference would it make if they add it.

[midnight stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUgmlJkXgBg This needs a DPS meter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200zqhADi0Q Not this.

[gritty briar]

personally i'd like some easy way of seeing if my support operators are doing negligible damage or not

like gilberta

[indigo pine]

minmaxing to find what are objectively the stronger rotations to get the most out of units / find out what weapons or gear to invest into is always worth it

[glass wind]

Is the Stanza of Memorials Buff good?

[midnight stirrup]

Yes, very

[midnight stirrup]

You dont need a meter to figure that out

Its pretty apparant for most supports.

[lost void]

Can you calculate and keep track of the actual numbers being applied by buffs /debuff real time/ The damage you see on screen are the final calculation of the damage formula.

But do you know how much damage actually being reduced or amplified?
By the end of the fight do you know much much x & y skill did character a & b did over the entire fight?

You only see flying numbers but not a recorded list of the entire thing happening. Maybe if your brain is like an AI or computer which can multitask can keep track of every details then good for you.

[gritty briar]

i mean is she 10% of my damage or 1%?

[indigo pine]

if fully invested in (m3 all / full artifice) gilb is doing like <5% of team dmg

[gritty briar]

i have no idea tbh

[glass wind]

Whos the good character to hold it?

[wind nebula]

Sure but live logging fulfills a totally different purpose from sheet iteration and comparisons.

There needs to be enough variables during combat that would make review meaningful

[glass wind]

Sheep girl?

[midnight stirrup]

Gilberta and Perlica mostly, depends on team.

Sheep girl has her signature for free, you dont use Stanza.

[indigo pine]

i wasnt commenting on the logging i was just talking about tc in general ~

[glass wind]

Whats buff on her sig one? let me check

[midnight stirrup]

Wait so who were you replying to if not the logging discussion

[gritty briar]

If i knew her exact damage, i could more easily figure out if say, 20% more damage on gil is worth more than 5% on perlica

[midnight stirrup]

Im confused

[warm galleon]

Depends like if you're a Flourite main you want to give it to Xaihi,
As long the element of wearer does not much the main dps.

[gritty briar]

or like avy teams cause perlica would realistically be doing some decent damage alongside avy

[midnight stirrup]

I dont need to know all these details, because again, the game aint that serious.

All I need to know is how buffs/debuffs interact, how to optimally cancel animations, and in what order.

There isnt even content that requires you to know all the information from a logger.

[gritty briar]

look man i'm trying to build a 4 star team next.
i wanna play dogshit so i can struggle with making it that serious

[midnight stirrup]

Everything is a pushover rn, its a gacha game in general.

[indigo pine]

thats true

[wind nebula]

There happens to be someone in this chat hard at work on a tool that will be a major help in calculating damage and visualizing rotations and let me tell you...

It's not a live log, it's probably something more like an editable timeline.

For comparison and iteration. Where the numbers can be manipulated and have purpose

[indigo pine]

but hey if people wanna nerd out why not

[midnight stirrup]

Only gacha I could see a logger for is Wuwa with how complex rotations can be.

But even there, bosses fall over.

[glass wind]

I need a Physical Caster.

[gritty briar]

if you're playing a lr team that kills the boss in 12 seconds, sure it's not that serious

but i am mildly interested in challenge runs

[lost void]

Where do you get the actual results isn't it from actual battle log?

It's easier for theorycrafters to do the math if everybody participating actually can see the real numbers involved and not select few or from some third party developer who extracts your game data.

Real time battle is an actual simulation.

[midnight stirrup]

It doesnt matter what comp. Fights last max 2-3 minutes.

In mmo's they last 10-20 mins

[gritty briar]

yeah and i wanna cut down some seconds

[wind nebula]

No, it's from underlying formulas. This type of game is heavily deterministic. You don't need live review most of the time

[midnight stirrup]

For what

[gritty briar]

for fun

[midnight stirrup]

There's no point to it besides passion

[gritty briar]

Should the game not encourage passion?

[midnight stirrup]

So you agree its pointless and just to flex on Discord

rather than having merit

[gritty briar]

no it's for personal fulfillment and enjoyment of gameplay

[midnight stirrup]

So pointless.

Gotcha.

[wind nebula]

I think not having an accessible log increases the feeling of having that passion by operating with knowledge that those less engaged would never even have because it's not included in the game

[gritty briar]

that could be true

doing the math myself is sometimes fun

[wind nebula]

It's like saying you need to see frame data in the middle of a fighting game match.

Leave that for the training room (and yes, the game could use a training room)

[lost void]

Theorycrafting feels like feelcrafting if you do not have the actual data to base things on.

[wind nebula]

You do! It's all in the formulas they get from data mining

[midnight stirrup]

That's only because theres people joining the discussion here that dont know what theyre talking about in general for this channel.

There's people who actually do theorycrafting.

[glass wind]

Can Akikuri use Fortmaker? The passive says Ultimate Gain Efficiency Boost. Does that mean I can have Ultimate faster?

[lost void]

meaning it's in the game being calculated, recorded, displayed real time in game. the actual log exist not being shown to the player but it is there already.

Do we have a file to check daw damage, actual stat sheet? I know there are spreadsheet to actually mimic/simulate what's already being done inside the game otherwise there is no probable way of doing if not through that means.

[midnight stirrup]

Well yeah duh, any game has that stuff recorded in the background.

Doesnt mean they have to make it public.

[wind nebula]

Yes, exactly. It's an active choice not to include it

[midnight stirrup]

Does every game that includes some form of combat show u a dps meter.

No

It's always a modded effort.

[wind nebula]

Or a dev choice because they know it would get made anyway

[midnight stirrup]

Refer to pins, covers answers for basic questions.

[midnight stirrup]

Which ive yet to see a game do that's not complete ass.

[wind nebula]

Damage calculation - Endfield Talos Wiki https://share.google/2GV3e3IeNZud3ShfO

[lost void]

That's why I'm saying why it could be a good feature being implemented in game say as first year anniversary feature.

It's already a feature somewhat "hidden" or obscured from players/viewers.

[gritty briar]

well, i don't think they'll ever actually do it

[wind nebula]

I'm not arguing it wouldn't do its job, I'm trying to innoculate you to the reality that it will most likely never occur

[gritty briar]

I'll say that i would personally benefit from it.
But it would kind of create this impression that this game is some dps optimization game that would scare away casuals

i think they want to avoid that, considering the 10 minute timers

[wind nebula]

Features create vibes, expectations. They nudge the culture by what they focus on

[gritty briar]

i think the idea is the challenge should just be to kill you, not speedrun something

[lost void]

Well isn't factory/base building being a feature already actually hardcore? Some don't like it and drop the game, others appreciate it for what it is and begin to enjoy the entirety of the game.

The AIC has detailed report why couldn't the action part of the game can't have it.

[gritty briar]

right but games becoming dps checks isn't optional usually and is a common problem.
Making people worried about the damage their dealing is just gonna make people quit early

[midnight stirrup]

Factory is not hardcore

[wind nebula]

No, not at all. It filters for people that like to make their own fun first and foremost. Only some of the factory enjoyers are also optimization enjoyers, as is true in any game

[midnight stirrup]

Its one of the easiest satisfactories to get into

People are just intimidated by something thats not combat or exploration

[gritty briar]

do you know how many posts there were of people fearmongering when there were mentions of there being a timer at all in umbral, when in reality it was going to not matter?
People are scared at the first mention of dps checks

because there's too many shitty free to play games where you just optimize damage all day and keep up with stupid powercreep

[lost void]

AiC isn't just AFK kind of thing. You spend time on it some even longer hours than their their playtime if you don't consider that dedication hardcore.

[midnight stirrup]

A game actually feeling like a game rather than a gacha where u do dailies for 3m?

Were really complaining about that?

[gritty briar]

Well AiC is going to scare at least some people but that's the core of the game that they can't really change.
And there's blueprints anyways

You can't equate the core of the game to a small bit of ui that would change the perception of the game

[midnight stirrup]

I guess any game that I spend more than 5m a day in is now hardcore

[gritty briar]

A dps meter's inclusion is not equivalent to the inclusion of the entire aic system

[midnight stirrup]

My Little Pony Dreamland, I did you dirty

You were one of the hardest games ever after all

[wind nebula]

Time investment and investigative calculation investment aren't the same thing.

Hardcore is a vague label in the first place, it doesn't mean anything on its own. Talk about the actual behaviors and mindsets you're referring to instead

[lost void]

As a 90's gamer, no I'm not afraid of things happening like that and know the Arknights franchise like the palm of my hand I already expect this game won't be the same ARPG where you go.for meta and go hardcore on min-maxing.

[warm galleon]

I don't like it when people look at dps meter for upcoming banners. I like a community where people pull who they want and not because of dps meter.

New banner better dps a must now

[midnight stirrup]

Regardless

This convo is kinda pointless cause it doesnt exist in AKEF, and not really the purpose of the channel either.

[wind nebula]

There is a market incentive to obfuscate the performance gap between operators.

If it was more obvious to casual players that their new shiny character was doing worse damage than the old ones they could get very disappointed and stop spending

[midnight stirrup]

Let's move on.

[gritty briar]

Sure, you might know that arknights wouldn't. Maybe I believe that too.
Can't speak for everyone though, and other people's concerns matter for hg's wallet

[lost void]

Isn't that a general consensus for new characters being added to the game. Everybody wants to own something that make things easy or is actually stronger.

[midnight stirrup]

Not really.

[warm galleon]

Not really, I'll pull for Rossi even if she's a healer

[wind nebula]

I thought that at first, but the original conversation starter was that a live battle log would be necessary for proper theory crafting.

It's gone off the rails but that was my initial counter point that it is certainly not necessary

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah, it was fine initially.

But it's just going offtopic now.

Do I go and figure out if theres a perfect window to make 4 cryo corrosion without hurting consumption on LR, or do I proceed to try solo stage 1 LR

[gritty briar]

solo

[lost void]

The game caters to a wide audience, that's one of the core identity of Arknights and it shows how they brought that design philosophy when they made Endfield.

A four star clearing end game content, go ahead. You make a 4 slot parry team, be the guest.

[wind nebula]

Solo Arclight or no balls

[midnight stirrup]

Arclight players found dead in a ditch

https://giphy.com/gifs/last-endfield-rite-FAeN90YJAj6XxtaJmD

[warm galleon]

When I mentioned not really it was for your claim of everybody, it's not a general consensus.

[outer ermine]

.tangtang

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468993592369352764/TangtangLeak.jpg?ex=69860a65&is=6984b8e5&hm=7c816cf47d0101a3ed8ecb738238d99a8305443de743054c599138f96032c517

[warm galleon]

Hifu hifu

1k int Xaihi yet?

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/panto-pt-ajitani-hifumi-hifumi-blue-archive-gif-16817230695535296570

[warm galleon]

My LR is 9/9/9/9 with sig but I don't like her on open world at all

[gritty briar]

what's the highest int xaihi?

[outer ermine]

too broke to artif

just slap gil and profit

[midnight stirrup]

LR in open world without Gilb

[outer ermine]

and xai lead hold ba gaming

[wind nebula]

Whoa, there's a madlad with 15 views that managed the agony 3 solo Arclight. They only had 6 seconds to spare 🤣

And they didn't show build!

[midnight stirrup]

Hifumi imma put you in the timeout corner if you mention hold BA propaganda again

[midnight stirrup]

Nobody cares, thats why they only got 15 views

Last Rite on top

[daring dove]

I have been building her team up in the background but mostly as a nuker for when I need a second team. I can't see myself using her in open-world over ult-gain Laevatain team. That clear clears mobs in seconds.

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/takdes-takundes-endfield-yy4CJiCyewjxPQ0RQA

[warm galleon]

Wait are you the one that tap attack button 4 times to do 1 attack?

[outer ermine]

i dont wanna get carpal tunnel bruh

[midnight stirrup]

Yes, fuck you gonna do about it

HUH

HUH

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[wind nebula]

You guys tap?

[midnight stirrup]

Fair

[warm galleon]

Peppercat spam taps on LR

[gritty briar]

wtf tappers

[midnight stirrup]

Tbf

Its a mobile thing

[wind nebula]

Imagine tapping

[midnight stirrup]

I dont do it on PS5

[wind nebula]

Ok you can do whatever you want on mobile, that above my skill level

[warm galleon]

Good no reason to tap attack button 30 times for one attack cycle

[outer ermine]

tapping on mobile is like a moba thing to keep ur apm up

[warm galleon]

Sorry just trying to be mean

[outer ermine]

i hold on pc but my fingers do vibrate af when playing moba

[midnight stirrup]

Holding BA is psychotic behaviour

Yall got too much confidence in ur attack going through

[warm galleon]

I don't do hold on mobile either cause when I hold I accidentally put 30+lb of pressure on screen

[midnight stirrup]

I have trust issues

[gritty briar]

wow i just found it
barely any time left and almost dead by the end

[wind nebula]

"Sorry, I hope my words make you feel awful"

[gritty briar]

they must've been so panicked by the end

[warm galleon]

^this

[outer ermine]

[daring dove]

Tapping to attack will just be a habit built up from the 970000 other games that require you to tap to attack.

[midnight stirrup]

Hifumi btw

Why u running Xaihi lead

[outer ermine]

its faster i dont lr ba dmg

need*

[midnight stirrup]

But non lead LR doesnt cancel

[wind nebula]

So panicked they didn't show build. How do you clear like that and then not show build?

What's a guy gotta do to get a build pic around here?

[midnight stirrup]

[outer ermine]

yea and combined w hold its chill af convert to my side

[warm galleon]

LR skill activates faster on operators with fast attack speed

[midnight stirrup]

Nah thats blasphemy

[warm galleon]

LR ba takes 3 days to finish

[midnight stirrup]

Wait

Does LR skill apply to active operator

I thought just LR

[outer ermine]

yes

[gritty briar]

lmao

[warm galleon]

BRO

[wind nebula]

Gotta cancel B2

[midnight stirrup]

The more u know

[warm galleon]

Cool! down to 2 days!

[midnight stirrup]

Still tho

LR gives SP back

[wind nebula]

That's the spirit!

[midnight stirrup]

I aint doing Xaihi lead

[daring dove]

Should I continue to level up this weapon for Xaihi, I imagine it's better than P2 Detention unit?

[midnight stirrup]

Youre running Stanza on Perlica

So prob not better than Det

[wind nebula]

I dunno what you mean here, it refunds no matter who is in the lead.

The unique thing is if she's controlled it doesn't do the knightly pose

[daring dove]

You don't really see deminishing returns from ATK% much until you start going beyond 100% is my thought.

Which I'm not reaching anyway.

[midnight stirrup]

She cancels her BAs = faster SP gain

[daring dove]

But yeah Perlica will be Stanza.

[midnight stirrup]

than if shes off field

[wind nebula]

Ahh, yeah that's quite true

[midnight stirrup]

Thats the argument I saw mentioned by shuo

If u dont have stanza, chival, if u have stanza, det better

[midnight stirrup]

Esp at P5

[daring dove]

At equal investment I'd tend to agree but when one is P4 the other is P2 I think it gets a bit more muddy. I'll try both though.

[midnight stirrup]

Should be easy to figure out the difference yah

[warm galleon]

Ohh btw

[midnight stirrup]

Haram

https://giphy.com/gifs/islam-muslim-astaghfirullah-nq9accZpUoF8EfIhGJ

[unreal light]

Is that really better compared to LR or whoever autoattack damage

[outer ermine]

what r u cooking

[midnight stirrup]

What are u really asking

This wording is confusing af

[unreal light]

So is the SP gain from faster autoattack strings

[warm galleon]

They use the same main and substat and probably dps gear

[midnight stirrup]

You get the SP on FS

LR cancels her animations

= faster FS

= faster SP

[unreal light]

Ah, I thought Xaihi cancels her FS

[midnight stirrup]

Idk

[outer ermine]

snowshine solo trim

[gritty briar]

catcher so strong

[wind nebula]

No you misunderstand.

SP gain is higher the longer your string takes.

Last Rite and Ember have some of the most impactful (and affordable for your stamina) animation cancels in the game.

Therefore as far as SP effectively earned from animation cancels, Last Rite and Ember top the charts, for what it's worth

[unreal light]

Oh wait

Interesting, ty

[midnight stirrup]

Wait I might be wrong actually

The SP is incorporated into her battle skill, which is on field operator

Maybe Xaihi is better

[unreal light]

Is FS cancel available to any char?

[midnight stirrup]

Only benefit LR has being onfield is 5 stagger on P1, but thats negligible.

[wind nebula]

Oh for the P5?

[midnight stirrup]

She gets 5 by default, then 5 from P5

[unreal light]

She also does BA damage, that is the thing

[midnight stirrup]

so 10 total each battle skill

[gritty briar]

well i'm pretty sure LR does have good sp gains on final strike

[wind nebula]

Oooooh interating

[midnight stirrup]

But idk if u get the sp

bc I think its a refund thing

so it goes to LR

idk

[wind nebula]

There's an animation speed w/cancels chart laying around somewhere

[midnight stirrup]

im dumb

[midnight stirrup]

Yea among the highest

[unreal light]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gzrq0Uj86TP0oXb5Qb5wt6WNwNMXekmuA_mjYMeFUC0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[unreal light]

This

Or not?

[warm galleon]

Yall think we're getting attack speed buffer operator

[wind nebula]

Yeah that's the one, though I notice it doesn't say anything inside about including cancels. It was mentioned where I saw the link originally though

[gritty briar]

This doesn't count animation cancels and doesn't include hitstop so it's not realistic for exact results

[daring dove]

That's a funny looking Last Rite

[wind nebula]

Oh so they lied

[rugged vale]

does hitstop work like perfect dodge/ult animation time stop ?

[gritty briar]

The author thought it did but I had a convo with them and clarified that it does not.

See comment thread here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/qDxrlr6Kr1

[gritty briar]

Uh, i actually never paid attention if it does actually

i always assumed it doesn't

[wind nebula]

Wait, no hit stop + continuous attacks during LR combo means maybe Xaihi should be the controlled Op afterall

After the first heal from Xaihi that is, for the Amp

[gritty briar]

well LR does recover more SP per final strike though

i don't know who wins out after all that

[wind nebula]

Hmm... We got damage formulas but no frame data

[daring dove]

https://giphy.com/gifs/playsports-happy-lonely-moeskroen-SYXXT4vkT7I4nGWPhI

Is everyone hyped for Yvonne in the next few days.

[gritty briar]

You're gonna have to test LR with hitstop+anim cancels and measure yourself. Endaxis doesn't include either of those things and i'm too lazy to do more of them

[wind nebula]

I don't even know what tool I would use to do that.

60 fps recording?

[warm galleon]

I just tested her final strike, no SP gained

Unless I'm doing something wrong?

[unreal light]

So can every character cancel FS?

[gritty briar]

I've been just recording using steam recording.
Added a timer on davinci resolve figured out through there. And yes, at 60 fps

[dry kindle]

Not even 120fps

Smh

[gritty briar]

i'm too weak...

[wind nebula]

Yesn't. Some characters have final strikes with barely any end lag because they have so much startup

[unreal light]

Does it affect the FS Damage?

[gritty briar]

wtf

does last rite have a passive or something that disables it?

[dry kindle]

No

[gritty briar]

i don't actually play her

[dry kindle]

MF just whiffed it

[unreal light]

Everyone gains sp during FS, it’s your main way to get sp

If you stop auto attacking, your sp takes forever to regenerate

[gritty briar]

oh wait, are you hitting an enemy with it?

[unreal light]

[warm galleon]

It's not her final strike it's her skill that activates via final strike that gives SP

[unreal light]

Bro

Final strike gives sp

[dry kindle]

😭

[wind nebula]

Um... The refund is built into the casting animation

[gritty briar]

every final strike in the game provides sp i'm pretty sure

it should even be in the basic attack description

[warm galleon]

Finisher does give SP

Testes full BA on boss no SP

Well may be it moved by 1%??

[dry kindle]

What are we even doing 😭

[gritty briar]

both should give sp

[dry kindle]

Seriously what

[warm galleon]

I'm fighting Rhodagn with auto attack only

[dry kindle]

K then

[warm galleon]

Ahh my bad

SP skill point lmao

I was thinking SP = ult energy

[wind nebula]

I KNEW IT

[warm galleon]

I had a skill issue

[daring dove]

The Nvidia fake frame marketing for this game is kinda funny to be honest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLsEsTay_8

[warm galleon]

So does LR recover more SP per final strike vs others?

[dry kindle]

Yes

[dry kindle]

Where's my uncapped fps

[gritty briar]

made me open up the game on my phone to try it for this bs...

[warm galleon]

Just as planned

[daring dove]

To be honest I'm happy enough with the 120 FPS option, I can actually use fake frames to hit 240 on my screen. But the extra power draw isn't worth it. An input latency just gets worse. Would be nice to have a 180/240 option as well. But honestly you'd need an extremely heavy duty PC to make it happen.

[dry kindle]

You actually don't

[daring dove]

I occasionally see my frame-rate dip below 120 with a 9800X3D, an I'm only using about 60% of my systems resources. I think if frame-rate was unlocked I'd likely be sub 180 locked but I haven't tested.

[warm galleon]

Ohh I just discovered 3rd ginseng spot.

How many spawn spot this thing has?

[gritty briar]

ginseng spot?

[sterile moat]

7?

[gritty briar]

do you guys actually go around gathering ginseng every day?

[warm galleon]

No, I was just exploring with LR to remind me how I hate it

[dire sable]

No. I've stopped attending farm after hitting 1k

[daring dove]

We all become mint pickers eventually. But I haven't devolved to that point yet.

[gritty briar]

i only even remember to check the eco farm like 2 times a week

I just don't eat food and tell myself it's for the challenge when in reality i'm just poor

[dry kindle]

7800x3d 4090 hits 500

[deep topaz]

how big of a difference is Lae sig to her battlepass weapon?

[dry kindle]

25%

[daring dove]

Using frame-gen or genuine frame-rate, I'm guessing you unlocked frame-rate at driver level?

[deep topaz]

yeah that matches here
but the other chart says otherwise
I dont know which one to believe in

[dry kindle]

tos breaking

[dry kindle]

torch sucks

[daring dove]

Maybe then I haven't tried dialing down the settings yet such as ray-tracing. Plus I'm playing at doable 4k, so I could be GPU limited.

[dry kindle]

probably

i just need an excuse to buy 500hz 🗣️

[daring dove]

Some nice OLED 500hz panels coming out this year

[dry kindle]

some nice +500% ram discounts as well

[deep topaz]

so thats 29% better?
whats with the 25% to 40% differences in some charts

[dry kindle]

torch 25% worse than forge baseline

forge 40% better than torch baseline

[wind nebula]

[deep topaz]

yeah I dont get that, shouldn't they say the same thing?

[dire sable]

no

[ashen scroll]

Idk why people still not want forgeborn and trying to use umbral we got enough free pulls to max pot it

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[wind nebula]

50 is 50% less than 100

100 is 100% more than 50

[gritty briar]

100% more

200% of

[dry kindle]

pipebomb

[warm galleon]

3rd stanza and detonation on market drains my sig pulls

But I do have her sword but she's lv 40

[wind nebula]

I need to sleep

[ashen scroll]

Stanza i get it , them balls good
Why detonation who use them

[lost void]

Or just control have full HP?

Sorry I have to drop from the convo awhile ago since I have to settle monthly bills payment..

[deep topaz]

where are those free pulls?
I have trouble deciding to get Lae sig or save for Zhuang Fangyi sig cause we dont have enough arsenal tickets its like a ratio of two limited to 1 sig and only if you dont win the 50/50 and go to 120 guarantee for both

[deep topaz]

okay then what does both of the chart says like how much better is her sig?

[daring dove]

For me who knows when Zhuang Fangyi is dropping it could be 2 weeks it could be 6 months from now. If you feel like your account is strong enough rn keep saving. If you feel content could do with being a bit smoother pick up Laevatain sig. Any sig with ATK% as a sub stat is pretty much universally broken.

[ashen scroll]

Idk the math but i got p4 sorcge by i got pot 2 lava and pot 2 delivery when i got po0 gilb

[deep topaz]

yeah thats not math
thats either luck or 💳

[daring dove]

That's all RNG, some people could go 400 pulls on the weapon banner before getting close to P5 sig.

[ashen scroll]

Its just arknights

Some got max pot thorn lobster by 90 pull, some max pot 300 pull

[dire sable]

Both of the images tell the same story, just through a different baseline perspective. Torch is worse than Forgeborn and deals ~25% less damage depending on the rolls

[deep topaz]

yeah thats the second question will Zhuang Fangyi sig be better than Lae sig or if she could work with her battlepass or if there is any atk% or if atk% meta will change, we just dont know

[dry kindle]

dont expect dps bp weapons to be ever useful

[dapper mason]

today 3rd not 4th ?

[daring dove]

For me BP weapons are mostly for picking up potentially universal support weapons.

[dry kindle]

me when opus