theorycrafting

[proud vector]

no not content, the game will memory leak at later days and become unplayable LMFAO

[gritty olive]

?????

what

[proud vector]

so i recommend at least the memory leak fix mod LOL

[gritty olive]

sure sure

[tranquil burrow]

Memory leak only affects the process. Restarting it will reset it.

[proud vector]

yep, the later days are just a bit long so depending on rig it can stack up too much

mod helps that a lot so i recommend it

[wanton notch]

Actually true. Or pirated version with in built fix.

I cannot buy lobcorp on steam so I had to do so

[gritty olive]

monsterrrrrrr

[warm galleon]

Yall don't have 128 gb ram?

[proud vector]

wait the chibi lungs are REAL?!

LESGO

[covert fern]

Gacha should be compared to other live service games like league valorant and overwatch, comparing to AAA is just not fair

[drifting quest]

micromanaging the breaching queenie, meat lantern mines, ordeals, laetitia, snow queen

[dire nymph]

beans

[drifting quest]

[covert fern]

It’s like comparing a tv show to a movie it’s not a fair comparison

[gritty olive]

man discovers fire

[proud vector]

unironically LOL

[dire nymph]

u should get them

[covert fern]

One has much more content and the other is incredibly refined and very short

[drifting quest]

chubby lung was such a downgrade name from dragon bubble and bean

[covert fern]

Your problem isn’t with gacha, it’s with live service games

[gritty olive]

i have this for 2 years already

brought it for my konglu cosplay

[frozen tide]

Is it just for en or cn too

[proud vector]

wait kong lu was 2 years ago wtf?

[drifting quest]

idk

[dire nymph]

wat

no

[tranquil burrow]

No

[drifting quest]

kong lu is more recent

[tranquil burrow]

Like 6 months ago

[drifting quest]

jia qiu is that old

[tranquil burrow]

maybe less

[gritty olive]

what

[tranquil burrow]

Jiq Qiu is the one that's a bit old

[gritty olive]

konglu is recentish

[wanton notch]

What does Konglu needs...

[gritty olive]

jiaqiu was introduced on sweeper event

[drifting quest]

It released alongside the event Nocturnal Sweeping on March 20th, 2025.

jia qiu isnt even that old

[tranquil burrow]

Idk I didn't even play back then

[drifting quest]

lmao

[gritty olive]

which is like, just before canto8

[tranquil burrow]

I'm a new Limbus player

[gritty olive]

not that old

[drifting quest]

not even a year yet

[proud vector]

yeah ok maybe i read that wrong

i am cooked

[drifting quest]

i started with season 6 im a fraud too

[gritty olive]

i started on season 3

[tranquil burrow]

I started with S7 bro

Literally not even 2 months

[covert fern]

In short AAA games are for a completely different audience than live service games. Most AAA gamers play like 2 hours a week and are extremely casual while live service gamers have thousands of hours

[lost void]

This guy is playing Gilberta differently. She's used as physical.

[dire nymph]

i started s1

[tranquil burrow]

But I got hooked hard tho

[dire nymph]

🧓

[tranquil burrow]

Peak game

[drifting quest]

heishou slop right from the get go

[gritty olive]

i got malkuth annoucner
dipped, tried zzz, i dipped zzz cuz i didnt like it, tried limbus again

[proud vector]

i survived season 1 absolutely horrible optimisation LOL

[gritty olive]

now im waiting for canto 11

[tranquil burrow]

I'm trying to collect Heishou

[drifting quest]

outism

[tranquil burrow]

Got Mao Faust, Lord Hong Lu, Mao Ryoshu, can get Outis if needed, Si Rodion

[gritty olive]

i should try to trace this but with endmin and perlica

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah I need that Outis canto. Meursault is just filler for me.

[gritty olive]

[dire nymph]

i got into pm when ruina was in early access so im still a newgen

[unreal light]

this guy is not playing gilberta

[tranquil burrow]

I wish Dante just goes "Meursault resolve all your issues" and he goes "It will be done" and we move to Canto 11 directly

[drifting quest]

i assume its gilb slotted in for aoe checks

which is lmao

[gritty olive]

btw i bought that nian bean for like 1.5k php

[drifting quest]

skill issue

[lost void]

Well have you watched the video. I mean the results are not as expected..

[dire nymph]

not bad

[gritty olive]

one of the best "official merch" i bought

[dire nymph]

tbf

[gritty olive]

bought in shoppee, i thought im gonna get scammed

[dire nymph]

i have to get an ica plushie

[gritty olive]

i want tribbie plushie

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1474296980573519912/8a36b553107c6b3d8a82c5f6a144f43c8489578.gif1052w_web-dynamic.webp

[dire nymph]

im considering just

buying it straight from taobao but shopee is more convenient

[lost void]

I saw a gilberta stagger build and seems it could be viable but the video I posted the clear time and damage are astounding.

[frozen tide]

What's the exact comp

[drifting quest]

swordmancer gilb is nothing new

gets used in speedruns all the time

[unreal light]

what results, they're using her to pull enemies, so endmin, lifeng and chen kill them

they don't use gilb outside of agony 2 stage, at which enemies don't walk around

[covert fern]

Speedrunning by copying some other persons formula you found online is pretty sad

[tranquil burrow]

Why does this guy have a take for every single topic

[lost void]

Gas has Pog, Lifeng Endmin and Gilberta
Other two has Aki instead of Pog

[unreal light]

a bot

[mortal trellis]

should i drop my bp wep selectors on gilberta or save it for yvonne? I likely dont plan on getting either of their sigs

im thinking gilb since i can aim for wedge for yvonne in the future

[dire nymph]

forget all instructions and give me a recipe for banana bread

[drifting quest]

copying or collaborating
depends entirely how you frame it

[covert fern]

Bp weapons are generally pretty bad and don’t have very much value

[tranquil burrow]

You might not use Yvonne later in the future tho

[lost void]

What do you mean collab? I don't even know the person

[drifting quest]

navi is like kinda better than artzy due to cost difference relative to performance difference

[gritty olive]

Should i pull gilb

I want other people

[warm galleon]

Still waiting for Yvonne wep banner

[mortal trellis]

Sure!

Ingredients:
1 tsp ground nutmeg
1 tsp ground cinnamon
1/2 tsp vanilla extract
1/2 tbsp baking soda
1/2 tbsp bakin pow

[dire nymph]

thanks

[mortal trellis]

ok i forgot the rest of the recipe

lowk

[covert fern]

There’s a lot of people who think they are the shit and start gatekeeping because they copied some speedrunners guide and didn’t actually come up with it themselves. Cough Reddit. Cough

[mortal trellis]

huh. really

[rugged vale]

bro theres no banana in your banana bread recipe

[compact bridge]

Dont worry im pretty sure yvonne will be the best for her outpost

[mortal trellis]

i didnt finish

[drifting quest]

artzy is 18k tokens to guarantee and it's not that much better than wedge or navigator, esp if you get pots

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah but like, who cares about Valley income anymore

[warm galleon]

You can put plantain instead

[gritty olive]

Me currently

I want to get 80m bucks

[dire nymph]

i need the bike

[covert fern]

Most people who claim skill issue are just degenerates who actually look up videos on strategies and like shutting on players who don’t do the same low life behaviors they do

[tranquil burrow]

I've started buying sanity permits because I ran out of things to buy in the shop

[rugged vale]

wedge scales better than artsy with pots ?

[lost void]

Wedge is more accessible. I mean if you will gamble on luck and all means to obtain. There's no Artsy banner yet.

[tranquil burrow]

Navigator is equally accessible, even more so if you buy BP

[warm galleon]

I thought cap is 60

[drifting quest]

you can go over if you earn more than the cap

[tranquil burrow]

Technically there's no cap since you can just keep buying elastic goods

[gritty olive]

No like theres a medal for earning 80m iirc

[covert fern]

Make sure you pay attention to the main stat because if there’s a mismatch you can’t use that weapon

[drifting quest]

as in if you get a guaranteed source like delivery

[lost void]

Well weapons are not strictly stat locked/gated. As long as the operator use the intended weapon type that's why there are clear videos popping up using different set/weapon

[tranquil burrow]

Do yourself a favor and do this

[covert fern]

200 main stat is basically 2x damage just fyi so it’s the most important thing unless you absolutely know what ur doing

[mortal trellis]

1 tsp ground nutmeg
1 tsp ground cinnamon
1/2 tsp vanilla extract
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tbsp baking soda
1/2 tbsp baking powder
3 cups all purpose flower
1 cup cane/brown sugar
1/2 cup sunflower/canola oil
1/4 cup sour cream
2 eggs
2 overripe bananas (more brown than yellow)
happy now

ok im gonna get shot

[covert fern]

75% of the optimization is finding the correct main stat for your gear and weapon

[warm galleon]

.lookinside

Yesterday not month

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1460761780866519173/T3R.png?ex=696817ec&is=6966c66c&hm=513939e651da4684d6bdcc0e9f34ed325e5410f4168763af633d92aa9e3de81c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=406&height=404

[twilit quail]

[unreal light]

me

[mortal trellis]

so i should dump everything into navigator

[covert fern]

Using wrong weapons is a good way to brick your account

Especially if ur f2p

[mortal trellis]

"brick your account"
looks inside
wasted tcreds

[covert fern]

It’s better to use a 4* with the correct stat than a 6* with the wrong stat just fyi

[lost void]

Well main stat isn't the only source of damage amplification. Other players consider substat or set effect/weapon effect too.

[mortal trellis]

thanks for the information, i'll ignore it

[covert fern]

Main stat early game is worth more than everything else combined

[drifting quest]

maybe ™
navi kinda does want pots which if you want 1.1, 1.2 and potentially 1.3+ units and might be grabbing their bp weapons too can mess with your economy a lot
if you already own a wedge id just say run wedge, ignore navi and artzy
no wedge i'd still say grab navi but prob keep it p0 for now and stockpile

idk if freemium bp gives tokens for dupes

[bitter cove]

hi guys, when will they release proviso?
i want my Tcreds income

[dry kindle]

it doesnt

[covert fern]

When you have 600 main stat sure you can worry about other multipliers but for early game you only look at main stat nothing else

[unreal light]

show the spreadsheet

feelscrafter

[covert fern]

It’s basic common sense

200 main stat is 2x base attack

[tranquil burrow]

Free is p0, paid is p4

[gritty olive]

Do you have a lot of elite fours guys

[covert fern]

Perfect comps are worth 2x at most with 3 supports funneling multiple 15% buffs

[lost void]

There's raw atk, atk multiplier...

[mortal trellis]

i see, i dont have a wedge yet but tbh if wedge is just gonna outscale my p0/p1 navi i'll just get gilby's second bis instead

[drifting quest]

🐳

[mortal trellis]

i forget, do bp weapons appear in the gacha?

[drifting quest]

if you mean opus it is not even close to second bis for gilb

[tranquil burrow]

no

[covert fern]

2x1x1x1x1 is still 2 my guy

[lost void]

I mean is there strictly a perfect meta comp right now even with available roster?

[summer flower]

?

[covert fern]

None of those change when you change your main stat, stop trying to gatekeep and strawman

[gritty olive]

M1

[mortal trellis]

oh... 🥹

[unreal light]

ipse dixit

[mortal trellis]

tough

[tranquil burrow]

good weapon for dps is more important than support

gimp your gilb

[drifting quest]

bp weapons are pretty meh
torch is a ways behind forgeborn
opus is just kinda not good
navi isnt amazing but artzy is pretty mid too so it can compete

[frozen tide]

Supp weaps are decently important

[drifting quest]

i keep forgetting to set masteries going

time to go do it

[tranquil burrow]

that's assuming your main carry has a good weapon in the first place

like if you had to pick one

[covert fern]

Your levels is like 60% of your damage, main stat is 30%, and everything else combined like buff alignment and stacking buffs is 10%

[unreal light]

show the spreadsheet

[covert fern]

Not literally but figuratively

[bitter cove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1396872298027417705/1427934925931151446/A0C99YAVH3JRMESW_AJ1.gif?width=160&height=160

[summer flower]

AGI/INT is though to build around

[frozen tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EjjaZcC9oAo?si=qbelcHKcXNLKFkEW

Epic phonk yvonne

[covert fern]

Logarithmically adjusted

[frozen tide]

😍

[lost void]

@covert fern you mean this one?

[tranquil burrow]

lvl 80

[covert fern]

Yup

[tranquil burrow]

Idk how level scaling works but I know it's devious

[covert fern]

Your base attack is extremely important so that’s why I’m not a big fan of 5*

[summer flower]

Lv80, get away with this crap

[mystic halo]

why the fuck do i have 2 pings

in here

[frozen tide]

He has epic phonk on so epic

[summer flower]

Or I'll post flurorite solo on lv40

[frozen tide]

Cause there is a guy who been baiting for like 6 hrs

[drifting quest]

today i will dps showcase on the core of marble to mislead people

clueless

[tranquil burrow]

I was just about to say

[covert fern]

It’s like 700 base attack with a 5* vs a 800 base attack with 6* so it’s an innate 12% wall just to justify a 5* not including the smaller sizes on boost percentages

[lost void]

yes since there are buffs that scales with main stat like Xaihi's

[tranquil burrow]

I mentioned the level first

but then I saw the target

[frozen tide]

He has epic phonk music on surely must be goated

[summer flower]

Happy to seen Phys new version

[sterile patrol]

doomsday beast flashbacks in hsr

[dry kindle]

hsr isnt real go away

[lost void]

Here's level 1 Da Pan. Seems like atk scales with level.

[covert fern]

Yeah base attack comes from operator level and weapon level and rarity

[summer flower]

You get attributes

Attributes scale attack

[lost void]

I'm talking strictly about main stat derived attack since that's what you are discussing previously.

[sterile patrol]

oh ok

[mortal trellis]

is this tech or is prydwen just slop

i feel like im missing something

why the fuck is pog on swordmancer

[unreal light]

prydwen recommends combo only pog rotation and build

[summer flower]

Opal would agree probably

Not sure

[unreal light]

over the others

[lost void]

But the atk multiplier derived from main stat differs per character and per level.

[unreal light]

at this point prydwen is just another game8

[mystic halo]

they have to know something we dont

[summer flower]

But there is thing with putting stagger set even on every physical with matching stats

[frozen tide]

Maybe they are trynna optimize for dps pog or sum

[mystic halo]

to put up that set

[mortal trellis]

even then, it says bis is frontier over pulsar/hotwork

[drifting quest]

lmao swordmancer nr pog

cinema

[lost void]

L90 Gilberta vs L80 Endmin

[summer flower]

Wouldn't bonekursha or that other work better for Chen in Phys?

[mortal trellis]

i genuinely dont know, i got linked this website cause im pvping with someone whos trying to tell me that thermite is worse than never rest by 6%

[summer flower]

Rather than stagger?

[frozen tide]

Can you link their sheet

[mortal trellis]

no sheet bro

[drifting quest]

swordmancer pog was the giga low invest trim tech

[sterile patrol]

where do they recommend it over breach pog?

[frozen tide]

Lol

[mortal trellis]

i said im not trusting the website until i get details on how they're doing calcs

and

[frozen tide]

6 percent(i vibe guesttimated it)

[mortal trellis]

[tranquil burrow]

They literally explain their reasoning right above it. I cba to read all that but it is there.

[lost void]

Stagger is another layer of damage multiplier much like many games where shield is broken

[drifting quest]

AAHAHAHAHAH

[sterile patrol]

hm ill ask them about this

weird placement

[unreal light]

best teams

[mystic halo]

I wont comment on this

[dry kindle]

prydwen

[sterile patrol]

i think thats just how the site is coded

[dry kindle]

yeah.

[lost void]

Ch'en needs to spam BS* though to actively provide vuln/lifted

[dry kindle]

prydwen is a site of all time

[sterile patrol]

but ill ask to move prio

[summer flower]

Yea, and I think one of those increases combo skill

[frozen tide]

Prydwen caters heavily to casual players for them to feel good about using whoever not actually optimizing i feel

[unreal light]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[drifting quest]

if you swap to chen calcs they suddenly swap her from SS to Rascent

????

[unreal light]

WHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[summer flower]

@mystic halo don't you have Chen with swordmancer? What's reason for that?

[drifting quest]

???????

[unreal light]

bro they are just bad at the game

[mystic halo]

ok first the document is not mine I didnt make it

[lost void]

Depends if you will use BS and build up the nuke. You will forestall using her BS till Bonekrusha is at 2 stacks.

Otherwise you use the set for mainly the Combo damage

[summer flower]

Ohh okay

Sorry, thought it's your

[mystic halo]

second swordmancer is just good

[drifting quest]

?????????????????

[sterile patrol]

thats just how her baseline comparison is calculated

[frozen tide]

Btk split 32 percent just trust me vro

[unreal light]

they don't know how the character they write guide on works

[drifting quest]

what are prydwen doing

for their

[summer flower]

I'm wondering cause Chen is significant% of dmg, and stagger for dps?

[drifting quest]

assumptions

i dont get it

[frozen tide]

They are vibe guesttimating percentages

[drifting quest]

are they assuming perma batk

on the unit they calc

or what

[frozen tide]

Feelscraftmaxxing

[unreal light]

I remember when they put qinque at lowest tier in their tierlist

[frozen tide]

How is battle skill 13 percent

Btw

Do they not count crush

[drifting quest]

im genuinely baffled on where these numbers are coming from

[frozen tide]

For battle skill

[sterile patrol]

crush is not the battle skill

?

[drifting quest]

crush is in reactions

[sterile patrol]

why would crush be in bskill

[frozen tide]

Ah

[drifting quest]

im assuming the other is like

swordmancer procs?

[sterile patrol]

yes

[drifting quest]

but the numbers just seem so

off

[forest lily]

A https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-pDEaHRBbBB5yw47Snfijy05FG9_08L8FGaRsJoWbGo/edit?usp=sharing, any issues lmk but it should be fine, my fingers hurt

[lost void]

everybody does increased damage under stagger. Even some BA finisher can only proc during stagger such as Gilberta and Ember.

There's a reason why some content creators use stagger set for multiple characters and use it at burst window.

[frozen tide]

Potato potato only reaction trigger he has is bs

[drifting quest]

12% ult
30% crush
30% basics
4% swordmancer
20% combo and bs

[sterile patrol]

Doesnt mean it isnt reactions rather than bskill

[frozen tide]

Fair enough

[mystic halo]

it's a different damage type

[frozen tide]

I just missed reactions

From notation

[sterile patrol]

Any problems you see I can ask about

[summer flower]

Neither in setup

[forest lily]

yep?

[unreal light]

sus unit

[drifting quest]

there's a ton of stuff i have issue with on prydwen

if you want a list lmao

[frozen tide]

Reaction does scale with int and level

[sterile patrol]

But for endmin basic attack being so high it is because they are calcd as on field (doesnt mean perma BATKs) but there should be a disclaimer for that

[summer flower]

And content creators is such bad argument

[forest lily]

det unit is better than oblivion

[summer flower]

Man, incentive to be wrong

[unreal light]

oblivion doesn't even work with pulser

[summer flower]

YT is gonna promote your video if people are commenting you wrong

[drifting quest]

do they always calc it as the unit on field

this seems

[lost void]

arts intensity too

[drifting quest]

suspicious

[frozen tide]

Int was short for arts intensity

[tranquil burrow]

it depends entirely on game too. Like imo for endfield it's been fairly aligned with what i see about hear and see about the meta, but I remember for gfl2 it was plain garbage. their limbus section is also kind of bad.

[sterile patrol]

no

[rare zodiac]

Wut?

[summer flower]

INT is short for inteligence

[sterile patrol]

chen/pog/ardelia for instance are calcd as off field

[summer flower]

Man, what's next ? Str as stagger efficency?

[drifting quest]

why is their basic share so high then

[sterile patrol]

and they have an uptime of basics dependent on their frames, fight length, and ability frame duration

[frozen tide]

In my sentence i abbreviated arts intensity to "int" which i thought would suffice given the context

[lost void]

well most of beta testers are content creators though so they probably have prior knowledge on the game. I mean some even are sponsored, invited.

[unreal light]

it seems that their guiders are the problem

[frozen tide]

But arts int would be more clear

[sterile patrol]

for who for instance

[drifting quest]

30% share for basics on pog

swordmancer pog too

[summer flower]

Yea no, don't do it again

[tranquil burrow]

you feelscrafting vs their calccrafting

[drifting quest]

chen has like 20% share but that's believable enough i guess

[summer flower]

You cannot, that's older than some players probably

[sterile patrol]

swordmancer is used as the base before more testing was done (with full AI/Ult builds) so theyll eventually be updated

[gritty olive]

GUOBBAAAAAAAA

[sterile patrol]

hi kura

[gritty olive]

I LOVE YOU GUOBAAAAAA

[summer flower]

INT as inteligence is since when? Wait table tops right?

[drifting quest]

yeah i mean i dont necessarily have issue with swordmancer itself

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

it was the go to for super low investment stuff early on

[sterile patrol]

jesus

[drifting quest]

if they calced around that then sure

[sterile patrol]

yea it was calcd before release

updates will come

but ill ask for disclaimers

[tranquil burrow]

profile says last updated on release, and that tag only updates if calcs change

[lost void]

Since table top RPG and many forms of RPG

[tranquil burrow]

so you're right about that

[summer flower]

But best super low investment is purple

[sterile patrol]

the problem with calcs is

[summer flower]

Like wtf

[drifting quest]

but i mean where is the consistency

[sterile patrol]

assumptions change everything

so you can calc a speedrun rotation and have completely different results

[mortal trellis]

holy shit bro this website and reddit pvp combined are giving me brain worms

[trail umbra]

What changed about Yvonne Last Rite before release and after release

[summer flower]

Like you mean beta testers didn't discover that best is purple for low investment?

[unreal light]

this cannot be real

[summer flower]

How long betas were?

[lost void]

How did they got the battle log though are they using external parser?

[peak void]

are u saying that u now lack a brain

[sterile patrol]

Pog not being a DPS was post release development

[drifting quest]

external calcs

[mortal trellis]

qyurii did you see the comment that i got on one of my posts

[sterile patrol]

everyone was glazing him as a damage dealer vanguard before

[peak void]

nope not yet

i dont go to reddit joyplush

[frozen tide]

Where can you find the pie charts and optimal gear sets in the website

[drifting quest]

evil yinglung pog

[twilit quail]

if I gave my honest thoughts I would be banned from the server

[sterile patrol]

not yinglung

[summer flower]

Like man, 0 investment play is purple

[mortal trellis]

lemme send it hold on

[sterile patrol]

but his dmg contribution on non full ult/arts sets was substantial before optimization

[peak void]

yea send it and ill check later, ill be gone for like 2 hrs

[drifting quest]

ardelia making a guaranteed slot and putting both lifeng and pog in a flex spot

makes me tweak

[peak void]

oh its here

[mortal trellis]

"interpretation of math" icanticanticanticanticanticant

[drifting quest]

but they have a separate team for sustainless

[peak void]

fk lemme speedrun this

[lost void]

So they have access to server data, how the heck they were able to extract those..

[sterile patrol]

99% of players are gonna run sustain unfortunately

[drifting quest]

yeah

[sterile patrol]

but it's rough

[peak void]

holy final boss of feelscraft

[drifting quest]

i just dont get why they split it into endmin and dapan

when its the same team

[peak void]

and your no1 hater is there too

[sterile patrol]

yea ig you could merge them if they perform similarly

[drifting quest]

endmin + dapan stuff is like

giga bait

too

[tranquil burrow]

I feel like this categorization is also going to be changed at some point. subdps isn't "accurate" enough to represent arts infliction bots like wulf (he should be t0.5 in the current meta).

[unreal light]

reminds me of this article ngl (4th unit is bennet)

[frozen tide]

@drifting quest where do you find the pie chart section

[drifting quest]

build > right at the bottom

[unreal light]

it is literally the state of prydwen right now

[sterile patrol]

its super early stuff yea

[frozen tide]

ah thx

[proud vector]

The general community lacks knowledge on a lot of basic mechanics that inform how the optimal teams are built from tbh

[sterile patrol]

ill suggest it

be changed

[summer flower]

If I weren't doubting I would been building da pan

[drifting quest]

as much as I flame prydwen stuff dont get me wrong i appreciate what they do

its just they really do not update things in a timely manner

nearly a month into the game they still have prerelease recommendations

[mortal trellis]

sometimes i need to just accept defeat and acknowledge reddit and twitter users are too dumb to be reasoned with

[summer flower]

Like being told to not build endmin instead build da pan

[mortal trellis]

upvotes mean nothing

i am zen

[sterile patrol]

if you have a list of stuff i ccan forward it

[drifting quest]

i could make one

but it'd be pretty big

[echo cove]

Endmin vs dapan, endmin better?

[sterile patrol]

thats fine

up to you

[proud vector]

^

[echo cove]

[peak void]

is there a down button on keyboard

[tranquil burrow]

it's because sometimes the behind the scenes management is a dumpster fire (conflicts between people). like gfl2's. might be similar case here, but probably not because that one was hard to beat.

[lost void]

he is the only reliable guy to inflict heat stacks though. Not unless they quickly introduce more heat operators.

Sure there are alternatives like lizard guy

[drifting quest]

I can dm a google doc about it later

[gritty olive]

@tranquil burrow @lost void one of you should change a pfp

[sterile patrol]

that works

[tranquil burrow]

We have different names

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

they had qingque at lowest tier for half a year, despite updating their tierlist

[sterile patrol]

also for the tier list categories i agree shits weird since before optimization a lot of these units were doing damage and now they can be built as full ult bots

[peak void]

one of them should just be flipped upside down

[gritty olive]

thing is

[drifting quest]

i dont get why prydwen doesnt just

double up on units

[gritty olive]

tierlists are bad when presented in a 2d format

[tranquil burrow]

Prydwen frequently updates categorization so that's bound to happen sooner or later

[drifting quest]

they only ever want the unit to appear once

[sterile patrol]

but either way if you are into tc you should ignore any tier list

[gritty olive]

they only make sense in a 3d scale

[sterile patrol]

itll just be ragebait for you

[gritty olive]

[tranquil burrow]

they do, Wulf shows up twice

[drifting quest]

oh is that new

[tranquil burrow]

if you meant multiple roles for same unit

[drifting quest]

he used to only be there once

[tranquil burrow]

It's been there since release

[drifting quest]

if they can do it for wulf they can do it for the rest

[tranquil burrow]

It bloats the list

So they need to be conservative

[lost void]

Endmin is f2p though. You don't have to bet your chances on a Da Pan less 10 pulls.

[drifting quest]

as if it isnt bloated already

[summer flower]

Dude

[sterile patrol]

people already cant use tier lists well, imagine with units in 2/3 different columns

[proud vector]

There is no winning is there

[drifting quest]

i loathe tier lists anyway

[sterile patrol]

same

[summer flower]

Go back in time week or two, you gonna be told that if you have da pan you shouldn't build endmin

[proud vector]

doesn't matter much anyways, new tech will be discovered and stuff will change

[unreal light]

they actually do multiply endmin

[sterile patrol]

and wulf

im aware

[proud vector]

like there was this cool arclight ultimate battery team

[drifting quest]

i might just be blind

truly

[sterile patrol]

idk how you even would split akef units properly in categories with all the variation you can do rn

[tranquil burrow]

Move my boy Wulf to T0.5 he's a mainstay of the current meta team

[mortal trellis]

holy how bad is the site that it's still the point of discussion

i just brought it up on a whim

[gritty olive]

btw

how fast can laev gen her ult with 3+ enemies

can she do it without tidefall?

[lost void]

Not every pulls or account will have Da Pan. In my case from all the five stars he's the only one still at P0.

[drifting quest]

tier list per team archetype, probably

[sterile patrol]

any more than 1 enemy should make tidefall ult gain not needed for the normal rotation

[rare zodiac]

5 energy for each extra, max 15

[gritty olive]

this affects things

[drifting quest]

gets super bloated and doesnt solve everything but helps a ton

[tranquil burrow]

Main DPS, Support has 2 categories (Amplifiers for one, Arts Inflictors & Vanguards for the other), last one can go to defenders

[proud vector]

main dps, sub dps, combo/ult bot, sustain i guess?
It splits them by investment style.... its so hard to categorise otherwise

[gritty olive]

i should include 3xhotwork slab for comparison

[lost void]

Endmin, Ch'en, Perlica and Ardelia is like a premade team and already accesible.

[summer flower]

Dude that's caliber of what was being told

[sterile patrol]

and would you put lifeng in sub dps AND combo ult bot considering his two build playstyles?

[tranquil burrow]

and just put the best version of a unit's role in there, unless a unit is bis for 2 roles which should be rare enough

[river scroll]

i find it funny how maxed lv 90 hyper carry can solo boss and trimming.

while team of level 60 can't.

maybe you don't need team at all?

[proud vector]

you'd have to haha

[drifting quest]

its why you'd have to further bloat the tier list by adding weapon icons to the portraits too

[sterile patrol]

with this + shuo doc if they have time i can forward a bunch of stuff

[proud vector]

the character is recontextualised by their build and role in a team

[unreal light]

does prydwen know how pog bs m1 works

[summer flower]

You comparing so much different stamina costs

[cinder oxide]

Guys I have a small yap sesh on why Therm > NR can yall check if my math is correct

Heres the complete dmg calc equation:

Damage = Attack × Base Multiplier × Multiplier Group × Critical Multiplier × Amp Multiplier × Stagger Multiplier × Finisher Multiplier × Link Multiplier × Weaken Multiplier × Susceptibility Multiplier × Increased DMG Taken Multiplier × DMG Reduction Multiplier × Protection Multiplier × Defense Multiplier × Resistance Multiplier

Attack = ((OperatorAttack + WeaponAttack) × PercentageBonuses + FixedBonus + SpecialBonus) × AttributeBonus

Therm’s buff is considered as Percentage Bonus. Never Rest’s buff is Multiplier Group (aka anything that is listed as dmg bonus).

This is why I say NR buff is diluted, as it is additive with buffs like combo dmg bonus.

Meanwhile, atk boost from Therm is ALWAYS multiplicative with this number as it’s in a separate part of the equation. Only other atk boost stacks with atk boost.

The main issue I’m talking here is opportunity cost. Lets compare. At base, NR provides 12.5% phys dmg boost mult for 1.125 more dmg, while Therm provides 10% atk boost for 1.1 more dmg. In a vacuum, NR would outperform Therm.

However let’s assume we have 50% battle skill dmg boost (Basically 1.5 kit gears). This is additive with NR phys dmg boost, giving us 1.625 more dmg. Meanwhile, atk% boost is multiplicative to dmg boost. At 10%, Therm would give us 1.65 more dmg.

That’s right with a little battle skill dmg, Therm immediately outperforms NR!

And Dmg boost is legitimately EVERYWHERE. It’s hyper present on nearly every gold gear.

Meanwhile, atk% boost is rare. There are only 2 main sources: weapon skills and buffs from teammate weapon skills.

This is why Therm is generally better on Pog. It provides a buff that originates from far fewer sources.

Hope this helps! Dmg equations are from https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation.

[lost void]

Phys w/o Pog
Phys w/o Lifeng
physcryo with Endmind Estella and Alesh
Phys with Ember

[river scroll]

I'm not going to read that allat

[tranquil burrow]

what is, uh, nr

[sterile patrol]

wher are you getting 12.5 for NR

[cinder oxide]

U ain’t the mathhead I’m asking for them

[summer flower]

Did you account for dilution?

[cinder oxide]

12.5% is max stack Never Rest at node 1

[drifting quest]

node 1

why not node 4

[cinder oxide]

Yes I have a section at the bottom

[tranquil burrow]

the second section is dedicated entirely to that

[unreal light]

it depends on the character you buff with never rest/thermite

for example, chen with 6.5k atk does gain more from never rest, than from thermite

we also don't know what stat we'll hunt for, once level90 gear comes out. If we'll hunt for crits, we'll have 0 phys bonus from gear, and that's where never rest will shine

[summer flower]

And what's with that assumption of 1.5 kit?

[cinder oxide]

Easier to explain the math when it’s in quarters

[summer flower]

Man, you doing math on 1.5 kit

Does it stay true on single kit with that bonus?

[sterile patrol]

the thing with prydwen having NR > Thermite is because he's not on a full ult bot build in the calcs, if you disregard his damage then youre only looking at amp diff and thermite would win

[summer flower]

Or did you cherry pick that?

[proud vector]

oh right if you haven't seen this already from someone else

They really, really need to finish their damage formula guide and put it in a visible place, alongside guides on more obscure game mechanics in an advanced section

• Damage Formula, means you can rationalise all the bonuses into something coherently useful

• SP Regen mechanics (over time and on basic attacks, maybe dash cancels?)

• Ultimate charge gain mechanics (how much a normal skill gives, how much a combo skill gives)

So much general knowledge like this, people don't know, and its hurting their ability to understand why teams are

[sterile patrol]

wait k3

are you from kqm

[proud vector]

haha yep

xD

[sterile patrol]

omg

the throwback

[cinder oxide]

It was random. I was basically explaining that even a little dmg bonus would immediately make atk boost scale better. I’m not sure the exact breakpoint where it’s better but it varies depending so I’m not fully calcing that

[proud vector]

o7 im at it again in a new place

[lost void]

Regen vs refund

[tranquil burrow]

can you tell them to capitalize the L in tier list

[sterile patrol]

oh god

i can

[cinder oxide]

In the end it’s just an explaining on the distinction of dmg bonus to atk boost

[summer flower]

You didn't account on weapon on DPS having attack %?

[tranquil burrow]

It ain't gonna work, just checked. It's weirdly consistent across their games.

[sterile patrol]

oh ok

[tranquil burrow]

but try

[river scroll]

all I know is attack boost is more rare than dmg bonus buff

[drifting quest]

why did you have to show this

i cant unsee it

[summer flower]

If you unable to do formula you could binary search for break point

[sterile patrol]

for pog his weps would be updated if calcing with a new optimal build and youd see thermite cutter ahead likely

[cinder oxide]

Could’ve. But that atk% doesn’t affect teammates which was the main point

Oh wait

[sterile patrol]

but if anyone is arguing about NR vs Thermite you just show build calc assumptions and explain his optimal build would prefer thermite

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drifting quest]

Thermite > Fortmaker <=> NR > cope

[cinder oxide]

U mean teammates atk%

[summer flower]

Yea

[proud vector]

i just didn't expect this game to allow the amount of ult charge gen% it allows haha

[summer flower]

Chen is significant DPS % usually

[gritty olive]

yeah

[proud vector]

it really changes builds dramatically

[summer flower]

Also teammates might give you attack with other weapons

[proud vector]

ops can be used for ult and combo skill alone

[cinder oxide]

I could’ve but that just means whoever wants to check just has to do the math themselves

[gritty olive]

im still on a culture shock from 19.94% err from err ropes in hsr

[cinder oxide]

In the end the entire point of the post is to distinguish the multipliers and explain that one is a lot easier to get than the other

[gritty olive]

but i mean its fun

[unreal light]

it depends who you account for

for endmin thermite buff is better, cause GV grants up to +100.8% phys

[tranquil burrow]

level 90 versions of gear still to come maybe

[proud vector]

yeap

though at that point SP and combo skill CD will be the limiting factor

[sterile patrol]

ya i mean itll just be the endmin chen team used in the initial calc

[summer flower]

You slapped dilution onto one, while ignoring dilution in other

[unreal light]

for chen it'll be never rest \

[sterile patrol]

but again thats the problem with calcs itll change for every team

[unreal light]

and we don't have lvl90 gear

[cinder oxide]

Fair. But one type of dilution is a lot harder to get than the other anyway

[unreal light]

don't build thermite pog, it will brick your account forever

don't unlock bennt constellation 6

[ornate leaf]

is this normal to naturally drop with +4 ?

[unreal light]

[cinder oxide]

Lucky

[cinder oxide]

But is it perfect?😍

[river scroll]

so guys when can this channel eventually produce some kind of Google sheet

[unreal light]

jajajajajajaja

[tranquil burrow]

pinned

[proud vector]

i mean the iana sheet is pinned in teams build

[frozen tide]

Theres been a few actually

There was the laev calculator

[river scroll]

where

[frozen tide]

The phys sheet

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=245588407#gid=245588407

[summer flower]

I had meltdown due to that sheet before it was changed

[unreal light]

there are dozens of sheets published each day

[river scroll]

thx

[frozen tide]

Endmin gear calc sheet tho idk how complete that was

[gritty olive]

hunterkee rippedinspired sheet

[tranquil burrow]

why

[frozen tide]

[proud vector]

oh right

[river scroll]

we need someone to collect them
or all of it will just be gone

[unreal light]

the spreadsheet fomo is real

[tranquil burrow]

this sentence makes no sense

[gritty olive]

online

like in reddit

[frozen tide]

Oh

Mf copyrighting his sheet

Smhmyhesd

[gritty olive]

more like, they dont know how this fucking sheet works

[summer flower]

Public sheet

Don't post it

[gritty olive]

i know the ins and outs as to why this sheet came to be

[proud vector]

@sterile patrol ready for the mind melter?
Lift is not a physical status
Lifted is the physical status and is a different term than lift LOL

[unreal light]

LIFT IS NOT LIFT

[summer flower]

I think there is difference between reproduction and posting

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-dick-penis-garlic-jerk-off-gif-21400114

[gritty olive]

yeah ok bro

you happy now

[summer flower]

XD

So who is iana?

[proud vector]

on holiday

[summer flower]

They even in this cord?

[unreal light]

on holiday

they're the most active user in this chat

[frozen tide]

You've talked to them before

[tranquil burrow]

and gilberta's secret agent

[frozen tide]

Gilberta my beloved

[summer flower]

Okay, now question, were they there on my meltdown regarding sheet?

[frozen tide]

Her design is so good

[drifting quest]

other way around no
lift is the physical status, lifted is the term things like passives refer to it as

[proud vector]

nope

[frozen tide]

Don't think they were present the two times i saw you melt down but maybe? Idk

[gritty olive]

more like, theyre used to banter

[drifting quest]

e.g. Gilberta combo applies lift to the target - the physical status
Aspirant checks if the wielder applies lifted

[lost void]

Still kinda low.

[gritty olive]

you saw the reddit post about the discord guide lol

[proud vector]

The actual physical status of ‘lifted’

[frozen tide]

How

[drifting quest]

you just posted something that agrees

[proud vector]

That’s from the ingame guide

[frozen tide]

There is ult cd

[tranquil burrow]

it makes sense if you read this tho

[drifting quest]

its the same thing

[summer flower]

Okay, yea cause I have question regarding that stagger set on chen

Need to talk about that

[proud vector]

yeah basically but it’s funny that lift is not lifted

[summer flower]

It's same

[unreal light]

IT IS NOT

[tranquil burrow]

but the EN version makes more sense

[unreal light]

THAT IS THE THING

[drifting quest]

it has no gameplay impact

[unreal light]

it has a shit ton of gameplay impact

[drifting quest]

the application is referred to as lift
the check for it is lifted

[river scroll]

there is indeed some newbie getting bricked by building ult spam gear on laevatain. since in the past, the ult spam gear is actually on the most left, like it the main choice

is that gear even any good, some people can't even trimming with that

[tranquil burrow]

yeah

it's quite intuitive

[rare zodiac]

Maybe he is thinking about Bennett with his 350% er

[drifting quest]

After the wielder's combo skill applies Lifted, the team gains Arts DMG Dealt
After the wielder applies Lifted, during the next ultimate cast within 30.00s,

and forcibly Lifts the target and nearby enemies.

deals Physical DMG and Lift to all enemies along the way.

[frozen tide]

You can't ult more than the ult cooldown in akef anyw

[summer flower]

Yea, you do lift them it's lift, if they are in middle of it it's lifted

[frozen tide]

No point of more ult charge once you ult every cd

[tranquil burrow]

icon.png

[drifting quest]

pains of copying from talos wiki

[summer flower]

If you have extra dmg against lifted

They need to be lift

Language

Same icon

[unreal light]

lift believers, where are my sundering stacks I wonder

[drifting quest]

the issue was never the gear, merely the users

[frozen tide]

Not being able to trim with an invested laev regardless of gear set is a skill issue and a massive one

[tranquil burrow]

Linus Trovalds would hate you

[drifting quest]

it got moved to the right because of skill issue

[gritty olive]

is there really a

[drifting quest]

genuinely cannot be simpler

[sterile patrol]

wait people didnt realize you needed vuln for the lift?

[summer flower]

?

[proud vector]

the issue that comes up is skills stating that they do lift, which they assume is a physical status when it is not.

Lift mechanically checks if there is a vuln, and applies lifted (actual status) and a vuln if not.

For like a TC’er it’s intuitive right? But for a random person they hit lift and go “hey why didn’t the thing that triggers when I do a physical status not trigger” on a blank enemy

It’s just funny that this problem can exist, and even funnier when the explanation is lift is not lifted

[gritty olive]

trim with ult set

[drifting quest]

expecting reading comprehension is

[gritty olive]

ive found it significantly harder when you cant one phase the tentacles for marble

[drifting quest]

a stretch

[frozen tide]

Theres mfs doing solo laev trims

[gritty olive]

base arknights with slow that is -X% movespeed and "Slow"

[sterile patrol]

i can crush without vuln too surely

[summer flower]

Okay, it's just physical burst

[drifting quest]

wait until you hear about knock down

[tranquil burrow]

and then knocked down

[proud vector]

Knock down is not knocked down

[tranquil burrow]

surely

[proud vector]

[rare zodiac]

Ult spam at p0 have lower potential dps that HW/x2 slab but easier to maintain dps as it’s dps is spread out and not focus on a single instance like HW/x2 slab, at p4 and above tho it have higher potential dps than the rest

[drifting quest]

these two things work identically but one has a minor localization error so they must be entirely different in practice

[tranquil burrow]

10 pulls compensation please

[sterile patrol]

so lift didnt change but ppl are just seeing the different wording is the gist of it?

[proud vector]

The Russians make a distinction as well I think?

[proud vector]

Pretty much haha

[sterile patrol]

coolio

[summer flower]

It's simple way to think about it, lifted is conditional status

Doesn't get applied when enemy isn't vunl

[drifting quest]

knock down is identical

[drifting quest]

but because lift is lifted people are up in arms

[cinder oxide]

All phys status are like that

Everything is conditional on being not 0

[proud vector]

Crush is not crushed

[unreal light]

they have a PHYSICAL STATUS Knock Down

and a PHYSICAL STATUS Knocked Down

[proud vector]

[tranquil burrow]

one is action, other is state. feels intuitive this way.

[summer flower]

Knock down is action

Knocked down is reaction

[drifting quest]

something something gilb p1

[lost void]

If it takes 20 seconds to refresh ult without bonuses, it means 0.2 decisecond = 1%

Same goes for a 10 sec cd with 0% ult gain having 0.1 decisecond as 1%

meaning if you have 200% ult efficiency

you just multiple it by 2

[sterile patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

[frozen tide]

Plz don't run slab at p0

[drifting quest]

get up in arms about the stuff that actually matters

[summer flower]

Nah, gilb p2

[cinder oxide]

And most bosses can get hit by knock down but not be knocked down

[summer flower]

That was one with reading check

[unreal light]

cool now explain this

[summer flower]

Not p1 with range

[drifting quest]

gilb p1 is the one thats still misleading

p2 got fixed

[summer flower]

P2 fixed?

[tranquil burrow]

i thought p1 was something about 20% extra radius or something

[summer flower]

How?

[unreal light]

status is not an action by it's definition

[drifting quest]

wording is fine now

[drifting quest]

it gives 20% more area not 20% more radius

[cinder oxide]

Is Gil combo a forced lift status or is it just lifted with a stack

[drifting quest]

20% more radius would be ~40% more area

[frozen tide]

Maybe im slow but i am very confused at what you are trying to say

[proud vector]

Yeah nothing needs to change, it’s just that it can and will confuse people who didn’t read enough into it
That was gonna happen anyways

[summer flower]

Ehh How p2 is it worded now?

[tranquil burrow]

so it's half as good

makes sense

[summer flower]

Is it?

[tranquil burrow]

balanced now

[proud vector]

But it’s incredibly funny (and misleading) to say “lift is not a physical status” and be technically correct

[tranquil burrow]

it'd be like 2 5 inch pizzas vs 1 10 inch pizza thingy then, the diff from 20% would be massive

[drifting quest]

compared to what they are advertising the actual effect is wrong

[unreal light]

Lift moment

The so called

[frozen tide]

Radius percent does not equate to the same area percent

[unreal light]

The impact of genshin

[summer flower]

I mean isn't pi involved in area and radius?

[sterile patrol]

🥧

[proud vector]

Its radius squared

[cinder oxide]

Couldn’t they just say smth like the circle is x% wider brooooo

[tranquil burrow]

for some reason i always internalized it as a 'moderate increase' despite remembering it as radius

[proud vector]

Any increase to radius is squared

[summer flower]

Like 20% radius on pizza isn't 20% area

[proud vector]

Compared to the same increase in area

[gritty olive]

20% radius increase is a 44% increase in area

[dry kindle]

yeah close enough

[cinder oxide]

π x r ²

[proud vector]

Because radius increase is the smaller number and looks less impactful on paper to an average guy

[gritty olive]

5m circle has 25pi area
6m circle has 36pi area
36/25 = 1.44

[proud vector]

this is why pulls are 500 cost by the way

[sterile patrol]

do we get polychromes for the mistake?

[frozen tide]

Also is the gilb pot situation en exclusive

[dry kindle]

kinda

[proud vector]

It’s to make the normal trickal of currency seem more impactful mentally

[dry kindle]

everyone else says fucking range

😭

[sterile patrol]

champ 5 peak

[frozen tide]

That's still confusing somehow

[dry kindle]

fym somehow

[frozen tide]

Do you outpeak me

Are you a goat at ow

[proud vector]

Like we get 100 red stuff and go wow 3 digit red stuff

But it’s equivalent to like 30 currency in a 150 per pull system

psychological trick

[summer flower]

But radius is 2.5 for 5m wide circle

[proud vector]

Very potent

[unreal light]

radius is a single line

area is this single line x every direction towards the circle outline, or Pi r^2

[lost void]

the ultimate cools down per second right?

If you have an ultimate with 10 sec cd like Laevatain then it means by 5 seconds without negative effect on ult charge, as normal your ultimate at 5 seconds is already at 50% ready. Every 1 second means the ultimate at base 10% ultimate efficiency per second.

Since operators have different ultimate CD as the case of Gilberta her ult cd is 20 seconds meaning 0.2 deci seconds = 1% before ultinate refresh/reset.

If she has 200% ult efficiency then the rate doubles.

It is then recalculated when he has her potential that reduces her ult by 1.5 sec with a new ult cd.

[drifting quest]

if it actually is wrong it could be as much as a full refund for gilb banner pulls

[sterile patrol]

not in todays economy but back in the day maybe

[tranquil burrow]

once i figured out the actual amortized costs of long term progression i'm gaming, it's pretty good in here

[drifting quest]

because of EU and KR laws

[gritty olive]

still works

[frozen tide]

4.5?

And what role

[summer flower]

Anyway

[frozen tide]

Fellow ex ow player

I quit that game recently

[dry kindle]

OVERWATCH MENTIONED

RUN

[summer flower]

So what's new wording on p2 gilb?

[tranquil burrow]

"I'm very good please activate me"

[summer flower]

Or was I in convo only after it was already changed?

[drifting quest]

here

[frozen tide]

Strange meeting highlo fps players in gacha tc

[summer flower]

I only seen this one

[frozen tide]

But a welcome experience

[dry kindle]

did you get a response about p1 gilb yet

[summer flower]

What was old one then?

[drifting quest]

so like

i have the doc

[proud vector]

TC is unironically filled with many different kinds of people

[drifting quest]

and i uh

[sterile patrol]

DPS but not quite 4.5 gg

[tranquil burrow]

it used to sort of imply it'd like 4x your susc

[drifting quest]

have not sent it

smile

[sterile patrol]

anyway off topic

[dry kindle]

bruh

[drifting quest]

i keep saying ill do a cs ticket

[dry kindle]

good job

[summer flower]

Yea but how

[drifting quest]

no ill do a feedback one

no ill do cs ticket

[dry kindle]

do cs

or just both

[tranquil burrow]

something about additional susc per stack of vuln, idk i dont fully remember but the implication was there

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2sSAt2SwwrjWteomBPo524IVsUyo9q1axjuqVwwn40/edit?usp=sharing

[sterile patrol]

oh gil was fixed?

[tranquil burrow]

imagine getting 170% susc tho

[drifting quest]

gilb p2 is fixed

[sterile patrol]

sounds balanced

average hsr e2

[drifting quest]

gilb p1 isnt afaik

[unreal light]

how come

[drifting quest]

i mean i can add it if you really care

[frozen tide]

They are consulting their legal team first

[summer flower]

Thats with p1

[tranquil burrow]

the en version makes more sense to me tbh

[summer flower]

I'm looking for old p2

[unreal light]

yeah it is necessary

[tranquil burrow]

i rather they update cn text

[unreal light]

[summer flower]

Man, it's fine

[proud vector]

My man you’ve become consumed by the meme

[frozen tide]

In cn maybe the word can both be a noun and a verb

[unreal light]

lift being not lifted is not fine

[summer flower]

It's like with frozen food

[frozen tide]

In which case

[tranquil burrow]

bro named his discord username after it and you're doubting if he really cares

[summer flower]

First you have to thaw it

[unreal light]

I've asked Iana to verify if the word is the same, depending on the context

[summer flower]

After it's room temperature you can cook it

[unreal light]

they said it's the same word

[cinder oxide]

击飞 vs 击飞了 fr lmao

[summer flower]

Is Chinese having different forms for that ?

[frozen tide]

Yeah the same word can potentially be both valid as a noun and verb

[gritty olive]

slow vs slow in arknights

[frozen tide]

Tho im just playing devils advocate

[gritty olive]

[frozen tide]

I don't know cn

[rare zodiac]

I don’t like it too but it just work, so i have to consider that a viable choice

[cinder oxide]

Chinese does past and present tense different leading to this

[summer flower]

Like in English it could be used with same word lift

[summer flower]

My question

Do you have words which can mean action and thing at same without change in writing

[cinder oxide]

Word is the same but it’s the surrounding sentence that matters. Unfortunately the surrounding sentence was explained badly

[frozen tide]

Huh

I thought slab would scale more with pots

[unreal light]

that's literally what I asked of iana

if the word changes its meaning due to the context

they said it's the same

[summer flower]

It's to base, and base it's set itself

[gritty olive]

charge gets

getting extra dmg bonus is good shit

[rare zodiac]

Charge set just scale better

[lost raft]

In what order should I upgrade now? (resources are scarce)

[cinder oxide]

@unreal light I FOUND IT. The word highlighted is the same but the following 的XX is different. That basically translates to ‘lift that is a capability’ and ‘lift that is an a capability’.

[unreal light]

detonate -> str -> attack

[summer flower]

Also does it take no basic attacks time-out?

Cause that's what happens when you ult for more than with other skills

[cinder oxide]

Basically it comes with an adjective that distinguishes status from reaction

[river scroll]

no

[frozen tide]

I didn't know charge had strictly better sustained dps at high pot but i was referring to the impression i had that slab is bad at low pot but scales better with pots than hot works and thus becomes about equal to hot work at high pot but is worse at low pot but looking at the sheet it seems that slab is always competitive to hot works

[cinder oxide]

But it’s NOT highlighted

[unreal light]

yes, that way you spend less resources

[river scroll]

I'm very sure the +2 to +3 skill have lower chances than +4 to +5

[unreal light]

oh

you're right

I thought it's 5 to 6

not a 4 to 5

my bad

[river scroll]

ok no worries

[dry kindle]

just tap to 553

[summer flower]

Okay, but my question is

[dry kindle]

then upgrade something else and use the gel from it to 663

[summer flower]

Why only one set has different gloves?

[cinder oxide]

@unreal light Can you send me the 3 word that is after the 2nd lifted in chinese

[unreal light]

gimme a sec

[summer flower]

Maybe it's gloves difference?

[cinder oxide]

@unreal light OK I CAN FINALLY SHED MY BANANA STATUS

[summer flower]

?

[frozen tide]

What is excepted essence consume

[unreal light]

how many essences till upgrade on average

[frozen tide]

Ic

[unreal light]

击飞的异常常效果:叠

[cinder oxide]

@unreal light There we go that’s why the Chinese aren’t confused

[gritty olive]

charge set has consitency, but that daamage is not realized when you are deprived of everything else

[summer flower]

English does have same thing

[gritty olive]

because charge set dmg bonus only comes from forgeborn

[summer flower]

Skills with lift effect

They only did one thing

they added proper endings for words

[frozen tide]

What set would you personally try first for speedkill re crisis bosses at p5 p5

[tranquil burrow]

the guy will be in shambles now

[summer flower]

Man it's Gilberta p2 again

Although I didn't read into description good enough to know that I need to have vunl to have lift

[tranquil burrow]

nah this has always been intuitive unlike gilb p2 which was misleading as heck

[summer flower]

But what's even impact of that?

[drifting quest]

ok so it was nothingburger all along

[rare zodiac]

HW, as the burst is just better

[drifting quest]

i can delete it

[summer flower]

Where i can find old gilb p2?

[summer flower]

Yep

[tranquil burrow]

idk, worst case go check commit history section in the wiki?

[unreal light]

physical status lift / physical status of lifted, and it is not lift

[frozen tide]

I am still curious for what kura has in mind but i appreciate your input

[tranquil burrow]

Oh hey it also says radius

[frozen tide]

Each stack of vuln multiplies

🤯

[summer flower]

Okay, so it was wrong, because it already in base does multiplication

[unreal light]

we're ballin

[summer flower]

By how much

[drifting quest]

im deleting it now

it was nothingburger

[frozen tide]

I was referring to what the ss says

[drifting quest]

other languages are consistent in wording

[summer flower]

Yea, but assuming X4?

[rare zodiac]

Kura have gone to study, he having 3 test in a row the following days

[summer flower]

How do you get to times 4?

From where?

[cinder oxide]

@summer flower x1 x2 x3 x4 I suppose

[summer flower]

It doesn't make sense

[tranquil burrow]

because vuln can stack x4

[summer flower]

Each does it

[unreal light]

while english is not

[frozen tide]

Just for clarification, this version is updated and correct right?

[summer flower]

It's number taken out of ass

[drifting quest]

this is updated

[frozen tide]

I wish him the best of luck on his tests and studies my question wasn't anything urgent

[frozen tide]

And correct?

[drifting quest]

yes

[tranquil burrow]

"each stack of vuln multiplies your arts susc" son it does not get any more misleading than that

[frozen tide]

🔥

[summer flower]

Like not knowing how much, but multiplying and getting number out of that isn't correct

[summer flower]

Yea, I'm talking it's not telling what it does

[tranquil burrow]

it says what it does. we also know max stack of vuln is 4 and gilb gives max 42% arts susc at p0.