theorycrafting

[late swallow]

Isnt vuln she interacts with? Or having lift buffs her?

[wanton notch]

Man, what's the point of having two of them lmao.

O thought that if you lift and then knockdown it at least give bonus damage or smth

[shrewd root]

not sure if you saw but i said in the message that i no longer do the bird engine mats

[proud vector]

Oh my god the Chinese have it worse

[late swallow]

Hmmm maybe to lay ground for future units

[safe nymph]

no i am illiterate

[shrewd root]

real

[late swallow]

Dr Mundo type beat

[unreal light]

THE TRANSLATORS HAD ACTUALLY TRIED

[shrewd root]

third times the charm

[unreal light]

TO SAVE US

[proud vector]

There is a line there about extending the CC of lift until the ultimate finishes

[covert fern]

They’ll probably tighten up the dailies and make them faster, probably just testing the waters rn

[proud vector]

It’s a small thing

[late swallow]

Perma lift comp when?

[shrewd root]

lemme zipline quicker

[wanton notch]

Also is Catcher the only character that applies just Vulnerability? Aka doesnt trigger Pog guards?

[unreal light]

im fucking done

this cannot be real

[shrewd root]

damn, poor done

[late swallow]

Just vuln? Really? Never used my fellow br

[proud vector]

Doesn’t catcher KD on ult

Or am I tripping

[late swallow]

If you dont look for it you will never get angry, so stop reading :3

[shrewd root]

ignorance is bliss moment

[late swallow]

No

[proud vector]

Oh wow cool

[wanton notch]

Yep, his Battle Skill straight up just does vulnerability and that's it

No lifted or KD

[late swallow]

I mean it's fine for shatter

[wanton notch]

His ult does have KD and it triggers Pog

[late swallow]

:0

[shrewd root]

why are u tryna avoid pog

js let the swat team body some people

[late swallow]

They are talking about Alesh triggering Pog's ult

[shrewd root]

what is the issue

[late swallow]

Only Alesh's ult triggers it

[wanton notch]

It fcks me in my Catcher team, I had to use Chen to trigger guards

[late swallow]

Apparently his skill is just a flat vuln stack

[proud vector]

Alesh builds vuln stacks??

What?!?

[late swallow]

Alesh + Catcher to trigger shatter?

[proud vector]

the hell is going oooooon

[shrewd root]

bro has not read many kit things

[late swallow]

His BS ig, this is confusing me

[wanton notch]

Why not just play classic Alesh Estella

[late swallow]

I meant your team

Why is Alesh there?

Not like I can talk about anyone's team tho

[rare zodiac]

Alesh have no vul

[wanton notch]

I never talked about Alesh in my team Catcher

[late swallow]

Damn

Better go to sleep then

[proud vector]

Oh lmao

catcher isn’t the fisher

What a funny joke

Oh god my eyes

Help help help

[late swallow]

No one will believe you

[dire warren]

is the ult eff akekuri on the #team-build pins really better than just running a frontier set?

[late swallow]

Free SP

[late swallow]

Delete that

[shrewd root]

:/

nah

[late swallow]

Pwease

[shrewd root]

naur

[wanton notch]

So HG basically hate Catcher

There's literally no reason for him to apply normal vulnerability

[proud vector]

You didn’t realise that when they slapped like what 30?40? Seconds on his combo skill?

[shrewd root]

nah they hate alesh

[late swallow]

Omg you never mentioned Alesh

[shrewd root]

alesh is the most niche worst unit in the game

[rare zodiac]

If you need more sp, ult eff is always better, but in rare, very rare case that you have enough sp to do shit already, then Frontier is not bad

[wanton notch]

I meanI didn't even knew it had long CD. I don't get to use it often anyway

[dire warren]

im running a laev ake wulf gilb team so yea i don't think i need that much sp?

[wanton notch]

I forget that Catcher CS exist

[proud vector]

I think the long CD has something to do with that LOOOL

[late swallow]

Why does Fluorite takes so long btw
When Antal does kinda the same thing? I think... Food for thought

[wanton notch]

Nah, trigger conditions are

[unreal light]

hey could you help me out

[wanton notch]

Sure

[unreal light]

how many full basic attack strings were there?

[rare zodiac]

That team need a lot of sp, maybe the most out of every team

[unreal light]

I don't know catcher animations

[wind nebula]

Flourite has the multipliers to theoretically be built for DPS or sub/dps. Antal could never, so his utility is better.

[proud vector]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gzrq0Uj86TP0oXb5Qb5wt6WNwNMXekmuA_mjYMeFUC0/edit?usp=drivesdk

I think this is with optimal dash cancels? Guy who made it confirmed it was taking into account dash cancelling

[dire warren]

i see, thanks!

[unreal light]

we're trying to count damage per his exact rotation with turbid to account for BA bonus

[proud vector]

oh lord

[lost void]

There are only 3 nature based operators anyways.

Gilberta, Ardelia and Fluorite and it seems Fluorite is the one that focuses more on being main DPS which is quite interesting.

[proud vector]

Welp I’ve done what I can to contribute kek

good luck

[wind nebula]

Characters are designed around future design space, not current roster.

[late swallow]

I mean its easy to know how many strings were there, just look at the slow animation and that's the last hit lol

[proud vector]

Fluorite’s 40 second cooldown is pain though. It really is >.>

[rare zodiac]

Sub dps at best, ult only 1000% mul, even chen have 1590% mul

[lost void]

That's actually a wrong presumption since what will the initial release base the team comp on if they will only consider things to be released in the future though?

[late swallow]

Btw I think Ard can be a better nature dps

[unreal light]

up to 1126%

cause BS damage bonus

[wind nebula]

But if some character / team comes out that spams inflictions, suddenly her potential cuts that CD in half.

[proud vector]

What is this, channeling the spirit of Beef?

[lost void]

Probably most of the damage is triggering nature rxn? How often you can for detonate the sticky bombs.

[proud vector]

That would require an infliction per second every second for 20 seconds straight to cut it in half
Holy balls the powercreep LOL

[late swallow]

Like, spam BS
Her ult can trigger multiple times on bosses
If you have faith in her... It works

[wind nebula]

I was answering the question "why is this characters cooldown longer than the other if they do the same thing"

[wanton notch]

This video 20
Usually 17-18

[late swallow]

Yo that's my Arc team

[unreal light]

okay ty, I'll account for 18 BA and 20 BS

[wind nebula]

I assume a character or team designed around that probably would leverage arts burst and statuses more than direct damage. Just a possibility

[proud vector]

It could also feed like 2 strikers at the same time

[late swallow]

Seed picking unit but for arts

[compact bridge]

Nature is designed as a support tbh

[lost void]

I think there's like several predefined attack pattern/algorithm

1. Stack infliction to 4 and use with bursts
2. dual element team focus on arts rxn as often a possible

[rare zodiac]

Dual striker meta team

[covert fern]

Generalizing will always be inferior to case by case optimization but it’s a good way to get 90% of the damage very quickly

[wanton notch]

Edmin kinda ruins first part

[potent hornet]

rossi will probably be the nature main dps

[lost void]

Heat and nature are supposedly both dot based. Nature = poison

[late swallow]

Nah

[proud vector]

You speak of the forbidden

[late swallow]

Nature can be air, water, plant, wood

Gilb and Ard are nature and one uses air and the other sheep

[compact bridge]

Corrosion did some dotM

?

[covert fern]

Stacking infliction to 4 requires the target to stay alive for 30 seconds. Otherwise doing 1+1 is more value

[proud vector]

No

[rare zodiac]

Lmao sheep element

[late swallow]

Sheepmancy

[covert fern]

But it’s like 12% anyway so who cares lol

[lost void]

AK Eyja and Dolly is steam/cloud

[proud vector]

a nature DPS that is a corrosion upkeep dps would be interesting

Like make a 4 stack corrosion and then upkeep it with 1 stack corrosions to extend

[lost void]

Imagine if corrosion/dots stacks.

[late swallow]

Wouldnt be able to use Ard tho right, doesnt she consume it

[proud vector]

Yeah it would be bad with ard

[late swallow]

This is actual theorycrafting btw

[lost void]

Probably that's why Fluorite skill is just nature rxn, just up to 2 stack and consume it as often.

[covert fern]

Is corrosion 15s after reaching max potency or is it only 5s of max potency

[wanton notch]

So physical susceptibility stacks right? Or description misleading?

[rare zodiac]

All sus stack

[wanton notch]

Hmmm.. Double Sheep physical susceptibility is a thing then? Or you need different sources

[rare zodiac]

Diff sources

[wanton notch]

Shame

[late swallow]

Ard + Lifeng

Is it worth it tho

[wanton notch]

I know a set up for triple Physical Susceptibility, but there's no one to pop vuln stacks

[late swallow]

Lmao put Gilb there to at least make use of 4 vuln... For nothing tho

Phys sus Gilb lift dps

[wanton notch]

I mean Ard+Lifeng+Edmin/Dapan+Chen might work for short kill

[wind nebula]

Lol, Estella Ardelia Li Feng Alesh. So cursed

[late swallow]

I mean Lifeng can dps

[wanton notch]

You can use Gil instead of Alesh

[late swallow]

Not consume tho

[lost void]

Gilb needs phys status/vuln for more efficient arts sus though. It seems like Gilberta is designed more for phys team than arts

[late swallow]

Yea

So Dango's team is perfect for dps Gilb... Uh

[covert fern]

Gilb synergy with vuln is to make her viable for any comp. It’s pretty low scaling

[late swallow]

1.8% I think

[rare zodiac]

And then she provided 0 phys sus at all

[covert fern]

So like if I do ardelia gilberta perlica main dps, and Chen. Chen can add value to gilberta when otherwise she’s just there cuz I like the unit and I don’t have any other characters built

[wanton notch]

At least better than Ardelia dps

[unreal light]

Is youre essence maxed? Do I account for maxed?

[lost void]

If survivability isn't issue then Gilb will be better support than Ardelia for phys team doing frequent lift/kd

[wanton notch]

Yea

[late swallow]

Thats my Ember's job

[wanton notch]

It's old one

[unreal light]

ok ty

[wanton notch]

Last one also maxed one

[lost void]

Perlica phys support only possible with Wandering weapon?

[late swallow]

Her kit buffs phys

[rare zodiac]

1 lift can’t offset phys sus

[lost void]

if you got Ch'en.

[unreal light]

roger

[potent hornet]

only 8 more of the cheap catalysts left to buy 🙁

[rare zodiac]

Then why not just bench Gilb and add Arde for phys sus?

[wanton notch]

Here

[late swallow]

She is there no

[lost void]

Not sure at which pot automatically give gilbera ult +1 vuln

[wanton notch]

Shame no dupes yet

[rare zodiac]

2

[late swallow]

Which set would a phys Gilb use hmmm... Gotta try it later

That æthertech one

[rare zodiac]

Use gilb in phys is so cursed

[covert fern]

How does perlica do phys support

[late swallow]

I will use her... Only when I wake up tho, too late here

[late swallow]

She boosts phys somewhere in her kit, to work with Endmin

[lost void]

So Ch'en's CS+BS w/ P2 Gilberta BS already max vuln

[late swallow]

Hold up my dps Pog just got better

Oh yeah

Faster breaches

[rare zodiac]

No it doesn’t add vul, it only count as if ult get 1 more vul for ELEMENTAL sus

[wanton notch]

Less Cursed than a time when I was using Antal as substitute 4th slot

[late swallow]

Lifeng BS > Chen CS > Gilb ult > Lifeng BS

4 vuln 2 sp

... I have to use it

[rare zodiac]

Gilb ult maintains lift status, not adding Lift

[potent hornet]

i'm interested in the gilberta time slow tech

[late swallow]

Must be her CS then

[late swallow]

Da Pan, Gilb and uuuh... Uuuuh

[peak void]

her cs that requires arts reac, that you will never get in a phys team lol

[rare zodiac]

Yeah but combo skill need art reaction

[potent hornet]

theoretically you can do it with any team that runs gilberta

[late swallow]

Yeah

[rare zodiac]

Where are you gonna get art reaction in a phys team

[potent hornet]

with time slow in the proper spot you can actually use gilberta to 4 stack vuln

[late swallow]

Power of friendship idk

[potent hornet]

all on her own

[peak void]

ideally we get an arts unit with vuln somewhere in their kit

which we dont have yet rn

everyone that has smth to do with vuln is strictly phys

[late swallow]

Ember

[late swallow]

Friendless behaviour

[peak void]

wow ember

[late swallow]

I mean she has 1 vuln

[peak void]

2 vuln actually

[late swallow]

Better than I thought

[peak void]

shes like a clunkier chen with healing as a tradeoff

[late swallow]

Yeah, I use her to balance my skill issue

[wanton notch]

And with the fact that she is useless when enemy is staggered or cannot attack

[peak void]

high floor low ceiling type character

[rare zodiac]

Get hit for more dps

[peak void]

i might unironically run ember for phys overworld

[late swallow]

Approved by Ember

[lost void]

not sure if it is same with Fluorite's slow. They stack, replace one another, debuff refresh?

[wanton notch]

If only dodges weren't good

[late swallow]

I run Ember phys everywhere lmao

[peak void]

ill build snowshine first tho

before that happens

[late swallow]

Dodge didnt save me on umbral stage 1

[wanton notch]

I just run for overworld. Just one taps stuff

[peak void]

and before i build snowshine, ill build entire electric first...

yeah ember is one of the last on a long line of raises

[rare zodiac]

Because pog doesn’t do enough dps

Lmao

[wanton notch]

Dps issue

[late swallow]

Not getting into your Endmin agenda

[wanton notch]

Should have solo Chen it or smth

[late swallow]

Didnt invest on her

Only Pog

Like, on my entire account, only Pog

[lost void]

Cryophys team Estella+Alesh
I'm using Ember with Gilb

[rare zodiac]

209,6 efficiency pog is the correct path

[late swallow]

The correct path is me cutting your ethernet cable

Dont say no thing about my man

[rare zodiac]

Truth hurt 😞

[late swallow]

It doesnt cuz I cant read

[potent hornet]

TangTangcore

[lost void]

There's a YT CC doing Pog main dps doing Rog trimmed with Ember, Snow & Catcher.

Parry team with Pog

https://youtu.be/SZLTJaB5khw?si=6EBnWtedONgN2i-X

edit: wrong link but I think he is same guy

[late swallow]

If she is a phys dps, I'll consider a support Pog

Only consider, for but a moment, nothing more

[potent hornet]

that's the rumor

[humble matrix]

Jakub or Kunst for supports? (consumable)

[late swallow]

No no no cant talk about that

[covert fern]

What if final strikes applied inflictions

Right now it’s pretty limited to get stacks of anything

[potent hornet]

i hope that if the leak was correct they will change it to an element just to juke us

[rare zodiac]

That is like 1 solo chen performance

For a four man team

[wanton notch]

It's umbral

People do it with solo catcher

Except floor 1, there's Ardelia needed

[lost void]

I was looking for my YT watch history and it came up first. Let me see his channel.

[late swallow]

You dont do this if you want to be optimal with a unit, just say you dont love a man

And I love my man

Men

Women

[rare zodiac]

The cursed double slab on cursed dps pog

[late swallow]

The based double slab

[wanton notch]

I wonder if Double slab works better for Catcher dps

But ain't gonna bother the guy even more

[late swallow]

He scales off will?

[wanton notch]

Str primarily and Will secondary

[late swallow]

Not that great then

[lost void]

It's probably Mi Feng than Tangtang. She has to be the electro gunner.

[wanton notch]

Thank god then. No alternatives here right?

[late swallow]

Nah dont care about Mi Feng... Idk why

[late swallow]

I only think double slab is worth it if the unit's main stat is will

And is a dps

[rare zodiac]

Then it’s not for pog then

[late swallow]

Didnt say it was

[rare zodiac]

Also double slab is very questionable

Like on Lae

[wanton notch]

I just grasping any straw really

[late swallow]

You think I dont know that? My team has a dps Pog and an Ember

[wanton notch]

I literally have only awther rn

[late swallow]

Do whatever you think is better for the units you like

[dawn patrol]

finally

[rare zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

On field pog 209.6 eff

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086699983769600/1434277626914017310/Get_his_ass.gif

"oh no Pog cant be a dps"
If no dps why sick ass ult? Laev? Bad ult, Pog? Hot men

😎

[wanton notch]

I would, but time and mats ain't infinite

[late swallow]

They are if you just invest on them

;3

[covert fern]

Use 2 or 5 refills a day

[late swallow]

No...

[wanton notch]

Unfortunately, I am employed

[covert fern]

Monthly materials is around 2 origeometry/refill efficiency

[late swallow]

... I feel bad for myself now

[covert fern]

If ur employed you should buy originium supply

And refill sanity

[proud vector]

If employed why not purchase: factorio

• optional purchase of friends

[rare zodiac]

If sick ult why not 200% eff to see it more? Win win no?

[late swallow]

I barely ult cuz I dont have charge%
Thats how a man should do it

With vibes and dreams

[lilac bloom]

can yall help me gear my team 💀

[covert fern]

The advanced mats are 2.5x normal mats, and it’s about 100k tcreds for one day sanity

[rare zodiac]

What team

[late swallow]

Which one?

[rare zodiac]

Can’t help if we don’t even know who to work with

[late swallow]

Horny is back

[lilac bloom]

phys and electric

[rare zodiac]

U horny?

[lilac bloom]

i'll get screenshots

i was thinking xiranite probably goes on either antal or gilberta for the electric team, and pulsar seems like a good slot in for perlica since shes gonna be subdps-ing

as for phys team idk genuinely

[unreal light]

Yeah here it is

I've also accounted both finishers, 2 BA strings and 1 Ulti with staggered bonus

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tB68zv7bLpgL5TJNrrnFZB7BECpgpRnC7EB5xL_EJYI/edit?usp=sharing

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-barbara-cat-jam-barb-jam-celica-garden-gif-20017485

[wanton notch]

Thanks. For a second I got scared seeing two first rows and thought no way they are close

Well, I guess stuck to aether

[unreal light]

ah sorry sorry

it's just that different type 50 armor gives different buffs

pretty sad that tide gauntlets don't give anything to catcher

[covert fern]

You already figured it out you should be fine

[wanton notch]

Ye.
Well, shame. Catcher basically have no sets

[rich linden]

chat is it worth leveling gilberta's skills

[wanton notch]

Yeah armor probably even worse than gauntlet to use

Although

[lilac bloom]

??theres every other set for the other characters though??

[wanton notch]

Yeah, it probably worse

[modest thorn]

only really her ult

[rich linden]

sadge

[modest thorn]

but she 2nd best girl (after laevatain ofc) so very worth 🤑

[covert fern]

Sort by main stat then Figure out which part of the other characters you want to buff, such as ultimate energy for gilberta

[foggy birch]

Guys weird question, is there an ardelia dps guide?

[wanton notch]

Yeah it definitely worse. Both stars basically useless

[modest thorn]

[unreal light]

wait a second

is this applied to damage bonus or to staggered bonus

I wonder

Nah, it's dmg bonus

activates when enemy is staggered

[rich linden]

dmg bonus

[unreal light]

yeah

[modest thorn]

also smth i keep forgetting to ask, do 2 different xiranites sets stack 🙏

[covert fern]

No but it refreshes the cooldown

[modest thorn]

aww alr

do u know if gilb/ardelia should use diff gear then if i have both of them using xiranite

[rare zodiac]

That about right for elec, for phys swordmancer on Endmin, Lifeng and Chen is good, Pog goes full AI for higher breach shred, do Xiranite hand for some efficiency

[unreal light]

you just separate them into different teams

[covert fern]

I have the exact same question lol

[unreal light]

there's no need in having them both'

[modest thorn]

i mean it feels like its a way better team than akekuri

more damage 🔥

[unreal light]

ah as long as it suits you

they just spend more sp while generating none

[modest thorn]

i mean theres not a ton of sp usage

laevatain teams aren't even sp greedy

[potent hornet]

another essence complete

[modest thorn]

esp with a free corrosion applier and nonstop combos

[rare zodiac]

How would Arde combo if Gilb add vul?

[modest thorn]

you just hit the enemy and then ardelia combos

last strike procs it

and then that procs gilb's combo

so its ardelia -> gilb anyways

[rare zodiac]

Not if there is infliction or vul

[wanton notch]

Man, there's literally no sets and pieces that I can run for dps Catcher so I am basically forced to Artifice what I have

[rare zodiac]

Yeah for 1 rot, after that?

[wanton notch]

Except Aether I meant

[potent hornet]

i kinda hate that i still have to up my other essence for stanza as well

why must they share the same stats

[modest thorn]

i mean her combo cooldown is 18 seconds

how long is vuln for, 20 or 15?

[covert fern]

@modest thorn There isn’t really much of an alternative for a support ardelia + Gilberta other than double xiranite unless you want lynx dmg reduction

[rare zodiac]

20s if no dodge no combo, around 30s most of the time in a normal rot

[modest thorn]

gotcha yeah ill just run double xiranite

wdym 30s

idk how vuln works tbh

[covert fern]

There’s probably downtime for single xiranite so a double isn’t completely wasted

[peak void]

lynx is great if you wanna control a defender

[modest thorn]

honestly tho from what i've been doing it lines up really well since laevatain's ult goes down then you just combo again

[peak void]

which almost never happens

[modest thorn]

almost insta charge ult everytime

[covert fern]

Gilberta only activates xiranite on her ult while ardelia can instantly activate early on with combo skill + battle skill so double xiranite is actually pretty good

[peak void]

do u mean susc

[modest thorn]

she applies vuln on her combo

[covert fern]

Ardelia applies when corrosion is consumed via battle skill and gets it for free from combo skill

Oh yeah the susc not vuln lol

[summer flicker]

susc for 100 sp

[peak void]

the humble ange with susc for 0 sp

[lilac bloom]

wait you can double up on xiranite?

[summer flicker]

look inside: duration 5s

[peak void]

just time your burst window :clueless:

[summer flicker]

what if your comp isnt bursting

[peak void]

then your comp sucks!!!!

or, well, gilb just doesnt fit there as well as say, ardelia 🤷

[covert fern]

There will be downtime with just one xiranite so yeah double xiranite is pretty okay

[humble matrix]

What's the greater dps increase for LR besides combo/ult - Basic or skill? I saw differing calcs

[lost void]

Guys do we have a table of all weapon skills with all values listing everything for easier comparison?

Or somebody can give me a link where I can do easy comparison/contrast of 2-3 weapon side by side?

[peak void]

tbf 100sp every 30s is not bad

[modest thorn]

laevatain doesn't really have a burst window

its more like a burst uhh

big window

[peak void]

burst of 15 seconds

[covert fern]

Iirc xiranite is 15s and ardelias debuff applies for 30s

[peak void]

its a burst door

not window lol

[modest thorn]

aren't doors usually smaller than windows

[covert fern]

And gilberta isn’t gonna ult every 15s so double xiranite is a good choice tbh

[modest thorn]

how about like a burst (penthouse) window

[peak void]

i mean it depends on what typa window we talkin abt

[lilac bloom]

burst gate

[peak void]

burst mansion 🔥

[modest thorn]

[peak void]

we are losing the sauce with this one

[modest thorn]

i am curious tho what does akekuri/ardelia/laevatain/wulf do better than gilb/ardelia/laevatain/wulf, is it just easier to pilot?

i might just be biased but from what i can see its better in like every way?

[peak void]

sp i guess

[modest thorn]

its not an sp hungry team at all (correct me if im wrong)

so akekuri loses a ton of value

[peak void]

i personally dont like ardelia on lae

[modest thorn]

:c

[peak void]

it can get hungry if u use clannibal wulf

sp is also comfort ofc

[modest thorn]

it is a 15 second clannibal buff tho

[lost void]

Ake's main purpose is SP battery for BS hungry team. She can solo provide SP otherwise Ake with another vanguard would further generate faster SP and skill usage via link with the double A team like Ake-Arc or Ake-Alesh

[modest thorn]

with a 10 second cd

so is she that useful in a laevatain team?

[peak void]

its something 🤷

SP is just universally useful yes

[lilac bloom]

is yinglung good for endmin

[peak void]

ake can be on every team except phys, simple because pog exists

[rich linden]

yes

[modest thorn]

ig yeah ofc its useful but in a perfect rotation

theres no use for that extra sp

its an ardelia bs every 20 seconds, wulf bs every like 35 seconds (more uses if you leave ult with no stacks), and then laevatain's enhanced bs

[rich linden]

why not?

[lost void]

or if your account doesn't have pog.

I think Ake's best for the parry heavy team like Snow+Catcher.

[peak void]

pogless cope is rough

[modest thorn]

like assuming we have a perfect player, ardelia/gilb/wulf/laev should outperform akekuri in every way no?

obv assuming that since we are in tc not team building

[rich linden]

also she also gives u an atk buff for ~4s (kekw), a link and thermite cutter

[modest thorn]

ok but then compare that to gilb's buff

[rich linden]

nah shes not replacing gilb

[modest thorn]

🩳 vs👖

so like in an ideal situation, gilb replaces akekuri

[dry kindle]

Ok

But 4 ebs ult

[modest thorn]

but i do wanna know is there a situation where akekuri outperforms her

[rich linden]

i was asking why the sp is uselss

[modest thorn]

its not useless but its not that useful

[rich linden]

why

[modest thorn]

since you're not an sp hungry team at all

[dry kindle]

[lost void]

Probably on a single boss fight Ake is better but for guantlet type stage Gilb is definitely way better.

[summer flicker]

gate by ult energy gain, combo skill cooldown, etc

[lilac bloom]

avywenna wants bonekrusher right

[modest thorn]

would ake even be better in a single target situation?

[dry kindle]

FML I can't timeline on mobile

[rich linden]

ur using ake over ardelia

not gilb

no?

cus theres no way shes better than gilb xd

[modest thorn]

i gotta compare their damage amps

[lost void]

for a laeva team?

[modest thorn]

ok so ardelia gives like 20% on her bs and 28% on her weapon (maxed)

[rich linden]

wrong msg

[lost void]

Gilberta makes mob clearing cake walk specially for fan type aoe skills since some of them knocks enemies back and spread them over the place. Not unless you have CC like solidfy or endmin originium

[summer flicker]

shatter yvonne go hard on farming mob stages

[covert fern]

The 6* units are generally superior otherwise there’s no reason to buy pulls zzz

[unreal light]

bro I feel so gaslighted, Im past 20 tickets farming two essences

[summer flicker]

keep farming

you will use those anyway for upgrading essence

[unreal light]

I looked 10 times to see if I'm even at the right place

[modest thorn]

also i forgot to say, wulf also returns a lil bit of sp so even more of a reason to ditch akekuri

[summer flicker]

[rich linden]

ur not gonna pot 5 starry beach 😭

[modest thorn]

ik but its just the baseline im using

[dry kindle]

Returned sp is a debuff

[unreal light]

but ts does not drop

[rich linden]

thats a silly baseline to use no 😭

[summer flicker]

the extra essence is useful as food, keep farming, just need to hit 1/24

[modest thorn]

i dont want to compare a level 1 ardelia with a level 1 weapon

[summer flicker]

(which i hit very soon)

[lost void]

So which is better Distance or Starry in giving potential like from the BPass?

[modest thorn]

ill just use maxed thermite as well so its a fine baseline

[dry kindle]

Wut

[summer flicker]

💳

[rich linden]

you do you ig

kek

[modest thorn]

no like obv im not gonna get it rn but i'd rather compare maxed to maxed instead of level 1 to level 1

[dry kindle]

Are you the ok

[unreal light]

I'm farming for two simultaneously, so even 1/12 would be appreciated

but the game denies me this pleasure

[covert fern]

Don’t you get 3 essences per drop

[rich linden]

im confused why are those ur only two options

[unreal light]

you do

[lost void]

I'm asking theoretically not that I'm gonna do it.

[modest thorn]

cause then thats so specific for no reason why would i compare like level 5 to level 5

[dry kindle]

Theoretically what

[covert fern]

Is it twilight intellect for forgeborn and oblivion xd

[modest thorn]

maxed just makes the most sense

[unreal light]

so I'm sitting at 60 essences right now, with no use

it is enough to 1,33 times upgrade from level 5 to 6

[modest thorn]

this isn't even an important part

[rich linden]

i think level 4 for passives is best

[lost void]

gives out more, efficiency or output

[unreal light]

it is mainstat crit for ascent and wedge

not for the crit builds, just sigs for my main dpses

[dry kindle]

[covert fern]

So you spent 20*80 sanity and still didn’t get one lol?

[unreal light]

yeah

xd

[covert fern]

The odds are 0.5% for that

Pre engrave ofc

[unreal light]

how lucky am I

[potent hornet]

me who didn't unlock stock redistribution in origin lodespring until just now

[summer flicker]

1/24 farm 1, 1/12 if target farm 2

[unreal light]

gotta buy some lottery ticket I guess

[covert fern]

It’s 11/12 ^ 60

Thank god you don’t need a 4 liner

Just enough sanity to dump

Once you get your first you should be fine

I got mine today and it’s +4/5/3 and my perlica does way too much dmg now

[lost void]

Hmm so L9 Delivery give 50+% Arts dmg!

[covert fern]

Yeah but pursuit only goes to lvl 3 unless you get duplicate delivery

[unreal light]

wait it's not even 20

[modest thorn]

l9 delivery means you have to run gilb dps

[unreal light]

it's already 26 permits used

I'm sitting at 78 unlocked golden essences

[covert fern]

Are you sure you didn’t misconfigure something

[unreal light]

I'm questioning the same question myself each day I farm

I'm farming both at lodespring

with mainstat critpre engraved

[covert fern]

The odds are 1/1000

[lost void]

So far Gilb has most stats provided for arts unit for team buff.

Oblivion L9 if you will do core arts unit dps

[covert fern]

It’s the same odds as getting 3 six star in one 10-pull without any pity

[lost void]

BPass provides the +1 pot to chosen weapon right like 2 of them?

[covert fern]

Those are only for Bp 6* weapons it won’t work on oblivion and definitely not on any sig weapons limited or permanent

[lost void]

Ohh...

[covert fern]

Yeah that would be too op

[potent hornet]

don't remember what i used mine on lol

i think it was a spear

[covert fern]

I used it on the Cryo guns (navigator I think) only to realize it wasn’t the correct main stat

[proud vector]

ya’ll purchasing premium battle pass??

[summer flicker]

yes

but not for the weapon

[proud vector]

Hahaha whaaaale

Joking aside

Can’t you hoard those for the next battle pass

[summer flicker]

i dont intend for p5 navigator cuz i want yvonne sig, p5 stanza better than gilb sig even so p5 bp for gilb useless, and laev, i skip her

i guess so

[proud vector]

Can you even p5 a battle pass weapon atm?

[summer flicker]

im hoarding those

[proud vector]

[summer flicker]

p4

[proud vector]

Wild

[gritty olive]

whwre do you get the two extra copies?

[summer flicker]

give 2 box

and you have 2 selector

oh p3 maygidrool

me tripping

[lost void]

But it says including weapons from future pass weapons..

[summer flicker]

the 2 box is for future

but 2 selector only current

so i have 1 rotted box

[gritty olive]

ok

ill hoard EVERYTHING then

[lost void]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm asking about if you wanna +1 pot the weapon you like.

[summer flicker]

should be 2 but i used 1 for navigator

[covert fern]

The premium bp is not that good lol

[summer flicker]

bp useless to me

[covert fern]

It’s about 1.6m cred or 16 days of f2p

[summer flicker]

when i get yvonne sig

[gritty olive]

youd only +1 pot a bp weapon

[covert fern]

But that’s not including the refills origeometry arsenal tickets or weapons

[lost void]

I thought there's 2 per BP?

[covert fern]

The weapons suck tho I don’t think I use a single bp weapon tbh

[gritty olive]

whatever glory to HG

[proud vector]

Yvonne’s isn’t as gapped apparently?

So it may be character by character basis

Who knows maybe next patch we will have goated bp wep

[gritty olive]

idk

idr having an extra weap

[covert fern]

Bp weapons will basically always be the worst 6* otherwise it would ruin pulling

[lost void]

So if you buy BP now and the upcoming BP next month, you can use all 4 say Oblivion is included there since they will probably cycle through 3 different weapons each BP.

[covert fern]

It’s basically limited sig>permanent sig> other 6* > bp 6* > any 5*

Basically a strong 4* same as hoyoverse games

[proud vector]

Hm

It might be 2 next patch

we don’t know if 3 is the standard for subpatches

[rare zodiac]

Stanza and sundering steel would like a word

[lost void]

Navigator good for Fluorite and temporary for Yvonne if you don't have Artsy?

[summer flicker]

stanza would like to complain

[proud vector]

No clue I forgor what navigator does tbh LOL

[summer flicker]

worst yvonne sig

[lost void]

Cryo and Nature

[proud vector]

And I always thought fluorite as a support

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

So OBJ is bis on her in my eyes

For ult charge alone

so sorry idk…. DPS Flourite TC is scary….

[lost void]

One is reward from L30, L40

[unreal light]

how good is max pot laev bp against a p0 sig

[lost void]

Umbral Torch?White Nova?

[unreal light]

tf lol

tghats a lot of damage tho

does it return at some point of time?

[lost void]

which one BP?

[unreal light]

forgeborn

[lost void]

It is still active Up to next banner, Yvonne's They last for 3 months/quarterly before being replaced same with the operator pull.

[covert fern]

Stanza is good but missing 10% base attack on top of the reduced main stat and elemental/phys % makes sundering steel mid regardless of dupes

[chilly bolt]

Can someone explain this, this makes no sense to me at all

[rare zodiac]

L takes

[unreal light]

I don't feel like I can pull it during the next banner

[lost void]

Not yet pity?

[unreal light]

not even close

[covert fern]

At best a max potential 5* is competitive with a 0 potential 6* and that’s how it’s always been

[proud vector]

rotatopotato

[rare zodiac]

Statistics said otherwise

[proud vector]

Alignment is a bitch

[unreal light]

haha

[unreal light]

we doin feelscrafting, not statisticscrafting

[lost void]

I actually ditched pulling it since I only got a spook Laeva from Gilberta several days ago..I mean where am I suppose to use the weapon if in case I got it if I don't have Laeva at all.. I went for LR weapon instead coz I picked her from the mailbox selector.

[proud vector]

Basically whoever wrote that is saying the average player has skill issue and doesn’t know how to hold onto Avy combo skill for a second longer

… unless there is a tight af rotation thingy where you are forcing Avy to be further down the line of combo attacks

I’m not an expert on electric teams

[summer flicker]

or just hold on to your final strike by dodging

[lost void]

It's actually a good thing since there's breathing room for tight damage window.Like you have to stall using lance Ex because constant dodging.

[summer flicker]

the order in the team will determine the activation order

[proud vector]

this is why I like shatter phys

[summer flicker]

1s desync

just mean you wait 1s of her final strike

nothing more

[rare zodiac]

Make it sound as if CS delay is some complex tech or something

[summer flicker]

ye lamo

[lost void]

2 seconds leeway/window

[proud vector]

Shatter phys is the platonic ideal of rotations

[rare zodiac]

You just don’t push the button

[proud vector]

It’s so simple and yet elegant

So flexible

[chilly bolt]

Seriously it's just nonsense, should just remove that line ngl

[summer flicker]

someone pls cook shatter yvonne

[lost void]

isn't it part of the team rotation?

[covert fern]

Stanza is 22% at 9/9 and delivery is 40% at 4/9 not sure how 5* are ever supposed to be viable unless ur f2p

[heady pine]

Shatter Yvonne is so good

[proud vector]

No I dunno there may be a rotation where it matters

They could be forcing it to trigger after perlica to make sure we get electrification down first

[heady pine]

U just gotta replace Yvonne and it’ll be even better

[summer flicker]

i want a meme team

[chilly bolt]

I also asked an avy player and their response is ??????

[proud vector]

Idk covering my bases

I don’t have great knowledge of electro team

[summer flicker]

i dont even need to plkay electro team

[lost void]

What's the max number of lances on field can 15-18 stay at a given time?

[summer flicker]

to know that tech

[summer flicker]

im talking about yvonne bro

[covert fern]

Tbf if ur oversaturated on arts dmg stanza is equal in this specific scenario because a p5 five star is about equally as hard to obtain as a 6* zzz

[summer flicker]

i dont knwo elec team

😭

[lost void]

sorry wrong reply/tag

[rare zodiac]

Delivery is 36% at perfect scenario, what are u smoking

Also atk>>>> dmg%

[chilly bolt]

It's not even the same tho, one is +%Atk one is +%dmg

[lost void]

50% is max 28+22 if conditions* are met with L9 skill

[chilly bolt]

In most case %atk is always better

[summer flicker]

? those two are difference type of buff, depend on what team one is better than the othr

[covert fern]

I have delivery but I don’t have a p5 stanza

[summer flicker]

and not because the 36% beat stanza 22%

[lost void]

but 200% atk= +100% dmg
+100% atk = +50%

[summer flicker]

because delivery has ult eff -> allow you to run art intensity gear -> buff your corrosion

[summer flicker]

where do you get this from

i would like a source

[chilly bolt]

Trust me bro is the source

[covert fern]

%atk is only better if you don’t have arts dmg buff like a 9/9/4 oblivion with pulsar labs, and it’s a very specific condition zzz

[lost void]

If you have a skill multiplier that is 100%

a skill multiplier with 200%= x2 atk

if you have +50% damage that's 1.5 the skill multiplier

[peak void]

isnt it just as much as u can fit into a 30s window

[summer flicker]

in yvonne team: gilb stanza p5 is better than gilb deliver p0

in electric the opposite happen because you can trigger a big corrosion with specific rotation

[peak void]

i think stanza sucks

[summer flicker]

if stanza suck, then every art unit sig suck

[peak void]

nice shot

[heady pine]

Blasphemy

[summer flicker]

maybe you are play mono element team

[heady pine]

Goatza is unparalleled

[rare zodiac]

Stanza suck if same ele tho

[covert fern]

None of you have a p5 stanza so it’s a stupid argument

[rare zodiac]

There is condition

[covert fern]

The only way you’d have one is if you had every other signature weapon

[summer flicker]

you will get that soon anyway

[wanton notch]

HG, release new weapon and free us from Stanza grip

[peak void]

well theres no nature dps team yet so stanza will take a while to be dethrone for gilb

[summer flicker]

?

just because no one have a p5 stanza, we cant comment on it being good

[covert fern]

Well yeah it’s good but trying to argue 5* is better than 6* is insane

[lost void]

There is. Gilberta+Ardelia+Fluorite since they're the only nature units so far.

[peak void]

i am not running fluorite

[rare zodiac]

It’s better in certain situations and you can’t deny that

[covert fern]

Like yes the very best 5* with max dupes is equal to 0 dupe 6* and that’s how it’s always been

[chilly bolt]

6* stanza that gives morbillion buffs

[summer flicker]

?

let me summon maygi

@indigo pine

[rare zodiac]

As if there is a better choice for Chen other than Sundering Steel

[summer flicker]

stanza p5 > delivery p0 for gilb in yvonne team right

[peak void]

the humble sundering steel

[summer flicker]

sundering goat

[peak void]

like

rarity is just a number

it doesnt really mean actual value

[summer flicker]

it does mean value

wdym not

now give me p5 yvonne sig if rarity is just number

[peak void]

they can make a 3-star weapon better than 6-star and we'll just accept it

cus its arbitrary and mean nothing

[summer flicker]

cuz its clearly easy to get p5 sunderin, p5 stanza over time

[indigo pine]

why am i pinged

just from a quick glance looks like stanza vs something discussion?

[covert fern]

Stanza gives hp% and doesn’t buff other combo skills and ultimates, even if your main dps gets an equal buff

[summer flicker]

yes p5 stanza vs p0 delivery

[lost void]

Who knows there might be new operator which scales damage or atk based on MHP.

Antal seem to be having that characteristics and maybe his 5 star alter will make use of it.

[covert fern]

P0 delivery is easier to get than a p5 stanza

[summer flicker]

with 16k AT

[peak void]

by value i mean what u get from using the weapon, not the means of acquiring

[summer flicker]

How is that easy

bruh

[indigo pine]

i mean sure if u burn all ur AT id rather save AT for my dps

[covert fern]

It should be like p1 stanza vs p0 delivery and delivery is just better because it also buffs gilbs personal dps

[unreal light]

if only ember did

[summer flicker]

bro 16k AT

is easy

[indigo pine]

gilb personal dps.......................................

[wanton notch]

We know how it usually ends up at the end (they doesn't function)

[covert fern]

Supports do damage unlike in hoyoverse so stanza is just plain mid

[indigo pine]

u know if u full invest in her and m3 all her autos and stuff the same way u would m3 your main she's doing 5% of the team's damage

[summer flicker]

thanks math fairy

[unreal light]

could you share the spreadsheet?

[wanton notch]

Can't wait to see my Ardelia damage calcs

[lost void]

But in terms of crowd fight theoretically, like fighting 1000 enemies at once. Unless aoe skills has target cap.

The reason why her board damage is low and applied as dot.

[indigo pine]

if she's pulling enemies together your last rite is also having a field day with aoe

[unreal light]

oh wait you run stanza xira

[indigo pine]

so thats a non argument

[unreal light]

I see I see

[covert fern]

Like i said you don’t have a p5 stanza unless you have every 6* sig or ur duping gilberta sig so its not a valid comparison because the costs are different. Next question

[peak void]

150k is sad

[compact bridge]

Could you replace stanza with delivery?

[covert fern]

It’s an extra 6* because you pulled 5 other 6*

[summer flicker]

ofc, you need the ult eff to be able to ult per rot

[indigo pine]

150k with full m3 full artificed gear btw

ill stop what im doing and calc delivery gilberta for u

[wanton notch]

Stanza is the only orb that buffs physical teams right or there's another one?

[chilly bolt]

How about oblivion dps maxing

[summer flicker]

i think there is one more

let me check

[peak void]

the only place for oblivion is perlica

[indigo pine]

oblivion... gilberta????

[lost void]

probably bis for peronal damage on arts unit user.

[indigo pine]

its int stat

[peak void]

lmao

[chilly bolt]

Wait gil isnt int main?

[covert fern]

So you have a 9/9 on 3rd stat on a 5* and not on any of your 6* it’s actually insane

[unreal light]

There's no need in levelling up those BS CS BA ranks, if the build is stanza xira

[summer flicker]

here the two that can buff, but more specific condition is needed

[compact bridge]

She should be will

[wanton notch]

Yack, basically unusuable Wanderer

[summer flicker]

yes, pure ult bot

[covert fern]

It’s a stupid investment to make when you have so many other sigs to farm essences in

[peak void]

brah wtf do u mean, i literally got a maxed 3rd stat stanza without etching

[summer flicker]

gilb is will

[chilly bolt]

Well i mean oblivion Ardelia exists so why not

[wanton notch]

Stanza works with purple essence I'd you lucky enough

[summer flicker]

but the main stat is wrong

[covert fern]

I can assure you if you have the resources to hyper invest stanza you will have a p3 or better gilberta sig

[summer flicker]

you get way less dmg maygidrool

[indigo pine]

also wait

[chilly bolt]

[lost void]

If you are using Gilberta as support then Delivery otherwise as core DPS since there are only 3 nature operators so far..

[peak void]

except i didnt even hyper invest stanza
this maxed 3rd stat essence landed right on my lap

[indigo pine]

i linked the wrong sheet 1 sec

that one had her already on

delivery stats

LMAO

[chilly bolt]

If only Gilberta does what Angelina does in arknights

[summer flicker]

ye she sucks

[peak void]

ARKNIGHTS

[summer flicker]

[chilly bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/711277274770702407.gif?v=1

[lost void]

HP/s or the aspd?

[proud vector]

The weight reduction ? xD

[lost void]

Seems like Oblivion+ MI Gilberta is a possibility.

[covert fern]

Stanza is like genshin ttds, even if stanza is good it doesn’t change the fact that 5* or 3* in genshin case are almost always inferior

[proud vector]

Man Angelina’s attack speed steroid carried me in early Arknights

It was mini Eyja

Super handy

[midnight stirrup]

Wait what

Maygi is here?

[lost void]

The actual true limited from the first standard banner.

[midnight stirrup]

My OG Klee TCer

[peak void]

almost
and this just happens to be one of those exceptions

[covert fern]

Stanza also restricts your team comps and is a waste of sanity

It’s a substitute at best

[summer flicker]

[lost void]

Right Angelina was actually part of the first version of Standard banner just like how she is part of chartered.

[compact bridge]

Seems like stanza only good for physical team, other team should prefer delivery for gilberta

[peak void]

oh no i cant use stanza on gilb when shes in nature dps team

[covert fern]

And just like genshin ttds it’s not even that good

[peak void]

oh wait, theres no nature dps team

[lost void]

Stanza for Perlica?

[lost void]

Can for phys team

[compact bridge]

No idea

[summer flicker]

stanza better for yvonne team

[summer flicker]

florite dps

[covert fern]

Let’s make an actual practical comparison and not some min max spreadsheet gymnastics. I have a p0 stanza and a p0 delivery. Should I build my stanza instead of my delivery?

[indigo pine]

ok u get

+36k gilb damage per rotation using her sig over stanza

[peak void]

ofc stanza p0 is worse than p0 del

[indigo pine]

which is a grand total of +1% total team dps

[peak void]

why are we moving goalpost

[summer flicker]

stanza should be considered p5

[midnight stirrup]

Why is bro saying stanza is mid

Is this real rn

[peak void]

unlike what u suggest, p5 stanza is actually realistic

idk whats so bad abt this assumption

im literally p3

[compact bridge]

Oh yea i remember that 1 minute rotation team

[rare zodiac]

I don’t even khow if he is ragebait or just dumb dumb anymore

[indigo pine]

if u want to justify your decision for pulling on gilberta sig

[midnight stirrup]

aint no way we serious rn

[indigo pine]

u dont need to look to people for validation

if u like it, waifu reasons, u do u

[lost void]

compare it to Delivery. If you wanna do DPS+support gilberta on nature team then it's not a wise choice.

[peak void]

yea i got gilb sig for ult eff and cus its gilb

[covert fern]

It’s just dogshit

[peak void]

i love gilb

[midnight stirrup]

Yes and?

[peak void]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wall-K6q

[midnight stirrup]

Stanza doesnt cost u 8 10 pulls

for a minimal difference

[wanton notch]

Wait, how Perlicia buffs Physical again?

[midnight stirrup]

and stanza occassionally outdoes sig

[peak void]

she... doesnt?

[midnight stirrup]

wtf are we talking about rn

[peak void]

wild wanderer buffs phys but her electrification debuff is dead

[wanton notch]

Okay, good. Because I remember someone saying she does

[lost void]

With the arts unit with W name in it.

[compact bridge]

Does the delivery ult gain do nothing?

[heady pine]

Holy snipe

[peak void]

the auto ban channel is doing a good job

[midnight stirrup]

It does but theres no content rn that requires it so it falls off

[wanton notch]

Yeah, I know WW exist. Just thought am I tripping and missing something

[midnight stirrup]

most people one rot content rn

and u can prefarm ult

[chilly bolt]

That channel almost got me

[compact bridge]

Wdym, im not sure if i get it

[midnight stirrup]

Saying stanza is trash is some typical theorycrafting morning channel shit

[summer flicker]

do some good thing

for some team

[midnight stirrup]

all the clueless people join chat spreading missinformation confidently

[summer flicker]

in tc channel, we compared ofc the min max version

[lost void]

Phys heavy team cause of vuln but it's not the pure phys much like physcryo or somebody that can do arts rxn

[summer flicker]

gilb sig is good for when you can get lvl 4 corrosion

[midnight stirrup]

what part

[summer flicker]

bcause with the ult eff from sig, you can slot in art intensity gear

[covert fern]

Max dupe 4* is same as no dupe 5*. Big news if true

[summer flicker]

to make your corrosion stronger

[peak void]

irrelevant comparison

its specifically stanza

[compact bridge]

The no content part, do you mean the enemy is too weak so sig is useless

[peak void]

we're talking abt

the effects on all the p4s just suck

and the effect on stanza just so happens to be that good

[covert fern]

I have 20k arsenal tickets. I don’t need to justify anything

[lost void]

She can fill the role of dps with Xaihi in it so yes that's why Fluorite is naturecryo so you can make Xaihi dedicated support

[indigo pine]

idk man seems like a lot of mental gymnastics going on over here

[midnight stirrup]

Im saying most people kill content in one rotation, only needing to ult once, so u dont require the ult recharge rn bc u only ult once anyway. and u can prefarm that ult.

[peak void]

you should justify this word document

[summer flicker]

no, her dmg is espeically bad

[midnight stirrup]

yes ult recharge is good, its not as good as it can be in the future tho

[neat snow]

We got a whale over here

[summer flicker]

maygi screenshot the document in which its run with yvonne xaihi gilb

[compact bridge]

I see, so people basically ignore the ult gain stats on delivery thanks to the prefarm ult

[peak void]

doubt thatll do anything tbh

[summer flicker]

maygipain ye

[peak void]

not in umbral but ye

umbral is easy anw

[midnight stirrup]

Not ignore, it has value, but its just not as good rn

[lost void]

But the thing is you need somebody else to output vuln stacks faster like Ch'en.

Not sure if Estelle+Alesh can

[indigo pine]

prefarm ult is only for trimming medals, in umbral you start with 0 so assumign we get harder stages later 0 should be the norm

[proud vector]

Mind you this is for speed kills on re crisis bosses since we don’t have a real endgame thingy to explode

So uhhh it’s very, very warped

[summer flicker]

if you like her, then just pull her sig, no need for justification

[gritty olive]

[indigo pine]

for that reason all my rotas start from 0 to have a clean rotation

[gritty olive]

so this is maygi

[peak void]

morb hi

[gritty olive]

fuck im mogged

[peak void]

how mogged

[gritty olive]

one morbillion percent

[wanton notch]

Estella does 1 vuln. 2 if ult

[peak void]

thats cooked icl

[covert fern]

Stanza doesn’t even have the same mainstat as gilb, even if we are generous and say that it’s 10/10/10/60, that 5% is more than stanzas entire buff just from personal dps alone

[midnight stirrup]

Unless they add actual bosses, that Gilb ult isnt gonna change anything in umbral with being 5s long

[peak void]

why does stanza main stat even matter

[midnight stirrup]

waves die too fast

[peak void]

main stat is just for her personal dmg

[wanton notch]

Do Gilbert even deal damage?

[peak void]

which as we've already established, is practically nothing

[midnight stirrup]

this guy is ragebaiting or just lacks deeper understanding of game mechanics idk

[lost void]

So it's Gilbe+Alesh+Xaihi or Gilb+Fluorite+Xaihi+Estelle?

[covert fern]

Because supports do damage from chain and ultimate even if it’s 10% of the teams damage, so completely gutting that 10% is basically equal to stanzas entire buff you do realize that right?

[indigo pine]

if they don't add bosses that'll be hilarious

[neat snow]

[summer flicker]

[indigo pine]

i'll just say that

[summer flicker]

im losing my last braincell

[peak void]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jarvis-39

[wanton notch]

I dunno, I missed conversation, just wanted to add info

[languid gale]

HG did not make an option to recycle blue essence, right?

[indigo pine]

yeah like 150k per rotation (dps dealing like 3m+)

[midnight stirrup]

I hope so but I doubt it for the first rotation atleast

[lost void]

Well core dps won't be bringing big PP damage if not from support anyways.

It's because of the support's damage multipliers that give out huge number nukes anyways.

Kinda seldom for game for just 1 unit to buff themselves and not rely on other party members.

[wanton notch]

I don't think it can reach even 5% at 90-90 with 9/9/4 even

[midnight stirrup]

We already know the enemies, still seems aoe focused

[covert fern]

None of you have a single 9/9/4 that’s such a stupid wuestion

[midnight stirrup]

True I have 9/9/9

[compact bridge]

Yeah that 5s long is basically mona ult, i expect it to be spammable

[midnight stirrup]

[covert fern]

With 4 units

[midnight stirrup]

I mean

[neat snow]

⚠️ Alert: whale spotted ⚠️ man the harpoons

[covert fern]

If you have a 9/9/9 you have p5 delivery. Please argue to me that p5 stanza is better than p5 delivery

[midnight stirrup]

Im part of the reason yall can play this game

Chill

[covert fern]

How many max essences do you have

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gtfo-denzel-washington-shut-the-door-l0HlMSVVw9zqmClLq

[midnight stirrup]

Brother

[lost void]

This game needs battle log/ real time damage meter.

[peak void]

so we're just throwing away your "p5 stanza isnt realistic/practical" argument by considering p5 delivery

[midnight stirrup]

Nobody was argueing p5 delivery was worse than p5 stanza

[peak void]

moving goalposts again are we

[summer flicker]

also, theorycraft doesnt even need max essnece, they are "THEORY"

[peak void]

this is the 2nd time

[midnight stirrup]

you just be saying shit now to support ur argument

[summer flicker]

[peak void]

im done lol

[covert fern]

I already said it was equal to a p0

Nobody is moving anything

[peak void]

you are moving goal posts

[midnight stirrup]

can u stop ragebaiting

[peak void]

no one cares anymore

[midnight stirrup]

aint no way u this dumb

if u wanna use delivery so bad

use delivery

like

[covert fern]

Okay so what if I want to use more than one team comp

[midnight stirrup]

tf is this argument atp, ur not gonna change ur mind anyway

[lost void]

And boss fights still include phases having gauntlet / summons/back up enemies being part of the boss fight.

[covert fern]

If I want to pull every 6* and their sig, should I invest in stanza

[midnight stirrup]

no bc stanza is bad

u said so urself

namaste

[peak void]

go use delivery if u want, but dont try convincing ppl that its always better than p5 stanza cus ur not convincinv anyone

[covert fern]

Show me your p5 stanza

[neat snow]

btw i forgot to show you guys what i got the other day while i was maxing my thermite

[covert fern]

Zzz

[midnight stirrup]

no

stanza is bad

use delivery

!!!

[coral vessel]

Does Etchspace Salvage reset? i mean i haven't claim the rewards yet (50,000 metrics) and im wondering if i should get it now?

[peak void]

i tihnk u should run stanza

[neat snow]

Have it also

[midnight stirrup]

what does this have to do with the context of the discussion

[peak void]

im joking pls dont take me srsly