theorycrafting

[warm galleon]

Me having skill issue when I tried controller

I can play on phone just fine but not as decent as pc

[neat snow]

I don't think I could do combat on controller for this game. I have an Odin 3 that I do dailies on sometimes but no combat

[midnight stirrup]

Controller is rly easy

Genuinely

[ripe parrot]

I considered using controller to squeeze out faster cutscene skips

[midnight stirrup]

Hows this

[ripe parrot]

doesn't seem like it'd be any different than m+kb to be honest

[midnight stirrup]

I still forgot to xaihi ult before combo

but the rest should be ok

[dusk isle]

that looks... kinda low

[oak vigil]

Before and after for more context

Like a 20% difference?

[midnight stirrup]

🤷‍♂️

I followed the instructions outside the xaihi ult before combo

thats p5r5

[dusk isle]

i was hitting 430k with p3p0 1 week ago

with arde

[midnight stirrup]

ill show u my gear chotto

[midnight stirrup]

did u use food tho

[dusk isle]

no

no crit no food

[midnight stirrup]

tf

hows that possible then

[dusk isle]

i'll do todays number in 3-4 mins

[edgy crater]

aint dat normal?

[midnight stirrup]

@dusk isle

[dusk isle]

wait lemme just eat ult recharge food to wash out the ginseng

[faint fiber]

( How she go from the most annoying timewaste to my 4th Arknightmoment writing

[midnight stirrup]

maybe urs was on stagger

i dont think i staggered

[dusk isle]

no

[midnight stirrup]

unless ur better geared than me

i dont see how i could do so little difference then

[dusk isle]

i mean your khra is p5 mine is p0

[midnight stirrup]

thats what im saying

[dusk isle]

ye my ult3 hits for 433k

and cs for 500k

with arde

[ancient drift]

Start behind the boss for easier rotation

[midnight stirrup]

tf

i thought ardelia/gilb was only 2% difference

[dusk isle]

lemme try with gilb

[midnight stirrup]

oki

[ancient drift]

My rotation with Ardelia - Gilb - Xaihi - 4 stacks

I could also change to xaihi for faster stacks but its easier this way and u lose about 3 sec only

[quasi quarry]

if we're chasing numbers here shouldn't you level gilb ult?

[teal pawn]

Is it alright to switch my Lifeng's gears to Xiranite, he's P3 so he benefits from Int and Will anyway also been having ult charge issues

[quasi quarry]

you have it at 6

[midnight stirrup]

nah idc for the numbers necessarily

[quasi quarry]

oh ok

[midnight stirrup]

but bro said he did the same damage as me at p3r1

im p5r5

thats odd

[ancient drift]

Gilb ult first crown is nice

[midnight stirrup]

i should prob lvl gilb tho yeah

i got sanity to spend

ill wait for refund

[ripe parrot]

From the damage doc:

Damage Bonus = 100% + Elemental Damage Bonus + Skill Damage Bonus + Stagger Damage Bonus + Other Damage Bonuses
Physical DMG is an elemental DMG bonus, right?

[frozen tide]

All dmg bonus

Is additive in the same bracket

[midnight stirrup]

But does phys count as elemental damage

[frozen tide]

Unless the wording says x takes dmg bonus or some weird

[dusk isle]

with gilb cs is 377k
ult is 455k

[quasi quarry]

also maybe let corrosion tick down a little more?

[frozen tide]

Don't think its a present wording in the game

So its just colloquial for the doc

So take that as you will ig rly doesn't matter

[ripe parrot]

yeah so I guess if it just fits within the "damage bonus" criteria, it just gets added to the same bucket then

[midnight stirrup]

Fair

[midnight stirrup]

Boi wtf

[stoic cradle]

Who thinks Rossi will be Nature? lol

[midnight stirrup]

Wtf is ur gear

[dusk isle]

aethertech with 3piece tide surge

fully artificed tho

[midnight stirrup]

Hmm

Maybe thats why

[frozen tide]

Gilb actually has rly good dmg

[midnight stirrup]

I got combo atk amped

[frozen tide]

Weirdly

[midnight stirrup]

And not max artifice

But still

Im p5 how tf am I not 100k up on you atleast

[frozen tide]

Shes kinda like perlica in that sense

Debuffer that doesn't take sp and does good dmg

But scales higher

With grouping higher debuff output and dmg potential

[midnight stirrup]

Did u crown xaihi

And artifice supports

[dusk isle]

y

lightly

[midnight stirrup]

Tf

Can u record

Easier to compare

[dusk isle]

i cant send no nitro

[midnight stirrup]

Lmao fuck ahh nitro

[frozen tide]

Save to drive

And share the drive link

[fierce vault]

Upload it to streamable. Easy

[valid palm]

The sheet has been updated. It now has more accurate SP information than what the Discord+Endaxis use, regarding Final Strikes. For Finishers themselves you can just use the wiki because it's enemy-dependent not operator-dependent, but keep in mind there is a small time stop with SP slowdown during the Stagger animation before the Finisher that the wiki doesn't account for (similar to Dodges). The exact impact of the Stagger time stop is still being researched.

[proud vector]

Lesgoooo

Got a link?

[valid palm]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gzrq0Uj86TP0oXb5Qb5wt6WNwNMXekmuA_mjYMeFUC0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[ancient drift]

My LR is P1, I can do the rotation with perlica if u want.. my Xaihi has 3 crowns on her Ult.. U are probably using the best gear already, since ur LR is P5, combo skill dmg is the best one…

[frozen tide]

Are some chars not tested yet

[proud vector]

Oh it’s 13 seconds to naturally regen? I’ve heard 12.5s being thrown around as well

[frozen tide]

Theres chars with 0 across the board

[valid palm]

Yeah, Ember, Pog, and Yvonne aren't tested yet unfortunately

[proud vector]

Also this doesn’t include dash cancels yet correct?

[valid palm]

I don't own them or Last Rite, but I got someone to give me footage for Last Rite

[proud vector]

Or does it already assume them?

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine U around?

[valid palm]

According to Lisara, Endaxis' attack sequences are with dash cancels, yes

[frozen tide]

Just sp per fs would be nice but that may be hard to measure

[valid palm]

That is on the sheet

[proud vector]

That makes sense given how high LR is on SP/s

[frozen tide]

You are right

[proud vector]

Thanks man for the clarifications!

[valid palm]

The "SP (raw)" column is SP per FS

[dry kindle]

Surely its 0.6s

[frozen tide]

Rite almost has 30 sp per fs

[dry kindle]

(I'm not checking)

[frozen tide]

Just goat ig

[dry kindle]

[valid palm]

[dry kindle]

[valid palm]

that's what I said lmfao

[frozen tide]

She rly needs it tbf

Shes always in sp defecit even with that+massive sp return

[valid palm]

I was like "no fucking way it's that high" but the numbers were too clean to indicate error + it lines up with the "guesstimation" that people were already using (30 SP)

[valid palm]

Plus Last Rite's SP return is designed for her sequence without cancels

[frail snow]

worst case pot 5 is 720 pullsright

[valid palm]

In which case it would be much less impressive per second

[frozen tide]

Im confused

Wat this mean

[valid palm]

Her sequence without cancels is longer

[ancient drift]

For CS dmg gear on LR team is better to use Ardelia than Gilb since u can only use her ult after the CS…

[frozen tide]

She gets sp return for every bs used

[valid palm]

So the same chunk of SP is given less frequently

AKA, you get less SP per second on average

[proud vector]

Aka dash cancels are hype and aura

[valid palm]

🙏

[tight haven]

absolute worst is 960

[frozen tide]

30 return <p5 35 return at p5

Gotta get rite p5 for that 5 sp return

[tight haven]

like absolute absolute worst

[valid palm]

...

my bad, I used the wrong word

not the sp return

The sp given on her fs

[proud vector]

…. Why is Ardelia is low? Like dash cancels aside she is below baseline

why did the devs do this

[frozen tide]

Oh ur saying her sp gain rate is unintended

[proud vector]

Most characters have very close SP gain on basic string no matter how long their basic string actually is because they give more sp on final hit

[zinc maple]

long animation ig

[valid palm]

I was saying that the SP on her FS makes more sense under the context that her intended basic sequence is like a full secondish longer than what the sheet has, because devs balanced around the average gacha user holding left click, not doing dash cancels

[proud vector]

But dash cancels lets us speed up the string

Hence more SP

[frozen tide]

Ic

Her dash cancels are very strong

[valid palm]

That they are

(anyway I'm going to eat now lol, see you)

[proud vector]

Still, even with double dash cancel the SP gain is like at most 1 more per second

[frozen tide]

Rite is always at a slight defecit even with the fs sp sp return and downtime(no sp usage) from cs and ult

[proud vector]

slight my ass

[frozen tide]

With xai ard atleast

[proud vector]

LR is a sp guzzling machine

[frozen tide]

If 3 3 cs and ult makes it take long enough

So you get a few cycles off

Usually

[oak vigil]

I have no SP regen units in my team and I must recover SP

[frozen tide]

With gilb its probs a bit better too

Less sp usage

Maybe with gilb the cycle is effectively maintainable infinitely

Considering boss dodge forced windows

And dodge sp gain

Oh yeah has anyone figured out dodge sp gain

[oak vigil]

Dodge sp gain overall isn’t that worth it, since it wastes time rather than just tanking while holding the attack button

[frozen tide]

A lot of attacks esp from bosses stagger

[pure spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1368212272345907260/1466630656879493365/chen_scratchy.gif

[frozen tide]

Theres a lot of attacks you just have to dodge

[valid palm]

Technically Snowshine can apply Cryo cheaper than Last Rite at P5 but that requires the enemy to be attacking frequently enough.

[frozen tide]

Fs hyper armor lets you tank some

[frozen tide]

And snowshine like gives fucking nothing else

Can't use a buffing weapon

Can't apply susc

[valid palm]

aye

[frozen tide]

Doesn't give atk amp

Or even dmg bonus

Afaik

[valid palm]

Snowshine will be better when more weapons inevitably come out, but until then it's kind of rough

[pure spoke]

She does a satisfying counter

10/10

[oak vigil]

Mmmm doesn’t OBJ Heavy sword give her a chance to buff others?

iirc it works on Catcher, so it would work on her

[frozen tide]

Obj only gives user a buff

And a defense buff

[oak vigil]

oh right. Well damn

[frozen tide]

Snowshine is useless outside feelgood parries

Her parry is pretty dope tbf

[valid palm]

I guess it's like. Extra insurance to make sure Xaihi's always giving the arts amp. Lets you invest more in her Intellect too for bigger buff instead of her heal?

[frozen tide]

🤔

Xaihis cs procs every other fs

And first fs with rite bs always applies cryo

You can also always delay xai cs slightly until rite bs lands

If for some reason that's how the timeline lines up

With like 3 4

<@&956153874383781928>

Jesus christ

That's the worst ive seen from the server

[oak vigil]

Also it was ai apparently too 💔
Anyway

Imma go check heavy swords if there are any which can apply buffs while going for Catcher/Snowshine

[frozen tide]

As it stands now there's just not much use for defenders as a whole

P5 ember atleast has some buffs and ok dmg

[warm galleon]

At least snowshine main can drive LR off-field

[oak vigil]

It’s all selfbuff/healing which works for them, never mind

[frozen tide]

If you happened to get rly unlucky or lucky

And ended up with p5 ember while not so high pot every other 6 star

I think she could be a decent unit to use

Hot take

[midnight stirrup]

AI protestors not making everything about AI challenge

Failed

[summer flower]

Ember fits in phys

[cerulean basin]

Is Gilberta her p1 tuff?

[midnight stirrup]

Bad wording

Its way less than it tells u

[frozen tide]

Not bis ever still

[cerulean basin]

so no?

[midnight stirrup]

Correct

[cerulean basin]

:(

[frozen tide]

Gilb p2 is biggest one

P4 is solid

Rest are sorta nothingburger

[cerulean basin]

ok then ill go to P2

[midnight stirrup]

Dont

[frozen tide]

P1 might potentially get buffed in future

[summer flower]

It got confirmed for gil P1?

[frozen tide]

P2 is a decent investment

[cerulean basin]

why not P2?

[frozen tide]

It makes her scale rly high with cycles

Just no boss lasts that long

Rn

With future bosses it could shine

[midnight stirrup]

Cause its a future potential pot but we dont know if that potential ever happens

Get it on rerun if it turns out good

[cerulean basin]

what

whats potential pot

[midnight stirrup]

[cerulean basin]

that emoji aint helping 😭

[frozen tide]

That said potential happens if any boss doesnt eat shit before second ult cycle happens

[midnight stirrup]

It wasnt meant to be

Future potential pot refers to

The potential can scale good in the future if condition happens

[frozen tide]

Just second ult cycle and p2 makes her susc kinda skyrocket

[midnight stirrup]

But we dont know if condition will happen

Therefore ur gambling on whether it being good

So get it on rerun if it turns out good

Its just a waste rn of resources

[frozen tide]

If that potential never happens the game is fucked

It means no boss ever will have a phase last up to 2 ult cycles

[midnight stirrup]

Regardless its still rng

[cerulean basin]

what does P2 even do

[midnight stirrup]

Better to get on rerun

[frozen tide]

Probs good to read through the potential description

[midnight stirrup]

Is this guy serious

[frozen tide]

Before spending

[midnight stirrup]

And yall give me slack for whaling

Theres people like this

[cerulean basin]

no wait

i did read

but like

i dont get why its only potentially good

isnt it just generally good?

[frozen tide]

Calling it rng is technically is true but a bit misleading imo the condition is takes is very easy

[cerulean basin]

more arts susc is always cool no?

[frozen tide]

Cause bosses rn don't have phases last more than ult cycle

[midnight stirrup]

I mean yeah

[proud vector]

It’s a matter of perspectives

Potentials are incredibly expensive

[midnight stirrup]

But unless u can guarantee that situation is gonna happen

[proud vector]

[midnight stirrup]

Its a gamble on whether its good

[cerulean basin]

i dont one shot my bosses

[midnight stirrup]

So pull advice direction just get it on rerun

It doesnt hurt to wait

Theres nothing rn to utilise it

[frozen tide]

What char u running

As dps

[cerulean basin]

Lae

[frozen tide]

What pot

[cerulean basin]

but i am currently building last rite

[frozen tide]

And do u have her weap

[cerulean basin]

P1

[cerulean basin]

yes

[frozen tide]

What weapon pot

[cerulean basin]

P0

or whatever its called

[proud vector]

w-weapon pot… scary…

[summer flower]

Lae doesnt one shot anyway right?

[frozen tide]

Makes sense that you aren't 1 cycling every boss phase then

You should still be comfortably in 2 cycling everything

[cerulean basin]

i want last rite anyways

she is so cute

[midnight stirrup]

She is mine

[cerulean basin]

and gilberta with last rite

[midnight stirrup]

Sit ur ass down

[cerulean basin]

= cuteness overload

[proud vector]

now that is based

[summer flower]

I wanna finnaly get one of last last standard operator i'm missing

[frozen tide]

The metric in discussion is how many ult cycles it takes to fuck up a boss phase

[summer flower]

So i can open box for other

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/last-rite-takdes-takdes-last-rite-takundes-arknights-endfield-gif-14994758392165105587

[summer flower]

Ohh yea, one ult vs one shot okay yea

[frozen tide]

More specifically gilb ult cycle ig

[proud vector]

peppercat can’t you see

This is someone who enjoys LR platonically

A rare individual

[midnight stirrup]

So a simp

Seen enough of those

[frozen tide]

Theres a really funny strat with them rn that kinda exploits an oversight

[proud vector]

….eh?

[frozen tide]

Which makes their synergy crazy

[proud vector]

Wait no hold on that’s not what simp means is it

I can’t simp over random small birbs

tf is this

[frozen tide]

Their synergy normally shouldn't be good but the oversight makes it so they work perfectly together

[midnight stirrup]

Bro doesnt know what simp means

[proud vector]

Eh yeah what’s the thing that makes Gilberta work with LR

[midnight stirrup]

Countering nature stack with perlica bs apparently

[proud vector]

I am more so just open to being wrong

[proud vector]

What to electrify it?

[midnight stirrup]

Ig idk

[proud vector]

Wild

[midnight stirrup]

I could be wrong

[frozen tide]

When you cs with rite its supposed to consume cryo

But the cryo consimption happens long after every cs dmg is actually dealt

[proud vector]

What? Even the last hit?

[frozen tide]

So you can actually get rite cs dmg scaling with cryo

Then gilb ult

To turn it into corrosion

[proud vector]

Jesus you get full CS value but also lv 3-4 corrosion?

[frozen tide]

And get best of both worlds

[proud vector]

[frozen tide]

Yes

[proud vector]

wtf

[cerulean basin]

means

[midnight stirrup]

Schling

[frozen tide]

Whattup peppa

[midnight stirrup]

Dont u gotta bs perlica before gilb ult tho

Thats what I was told earlier

[frozen tide]

Not with the strat im mentioning

Scroll up

[midnight stirrup]

I dont rly get what were talking about regardless

Me slow

[frozen tide]

Rite cs supposed to eat cryo

[midnight stirrup]

When does it eat

[frozen tide]

Rite cs doesn't eat cryo till very much later after cs hits are done

Rite cs does dmg

Cryo not gone

Use gilb ult

Cryo becomes corrosion

[cerulean basin]

Barrier on kayle is so op

wrong discord

shit

[midnight stirrup]

Wait so whats the point of perlica bs then

[frozen tide]

Nothing?

Sub optimal

[midnight stirrup]

Then why bro told me that

Smh

I got jebaited

[frozen tide]

They probs didn't know the strat

Its kind of an exploit

[ripe parrot]

I know this may be a stretch to ask, but anyone have a Chen with a decently raised Sundered Steel? I want some on-field numbers for BS lift damage numbers

[frozen tide]

/tech

[proud vector]

Yeah that sounds like an exploit to me

[cerulean basin]

i dont have last rite weapon though

[proud vector]

But it is incredibly powerful

[cerulean basin]

do i need it?

[frozen tide]

Well tbh its not like a 1 frame window or anything

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide Can u tell me what to improve here

[frozen tide]

The cryo lasts so long after cs final hit

[proud vector]

It still doesn’t sound intended though lol

This is very much a have cake and eat it

[frozen tide]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Theres a lot of things

Huh

[midnight stirrup]

This is pretty much the billibilli rot iana showed me

[frozen tide]

Whats your goal

[midnight stirrup]

To make gilb good

[proud vector]

Oh i see you have like a half second

Ohh yeah that’s strong af

[ripe parrot]

where are all the chen mains

[ancient drift]

Ult with Xaihi and Pelica before CS, and gilb before ult. Thats already will improve the combo a lott

[frozen tide]

All you need to make gilb good is to time her ult right after rite cs finishes doing dmg

But before cryo dissapears

As for how to improve that run

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt Rite want cryo stacks up for ult tho

Or is it just consumed

[frozen tide]

Rhod should die before you get second ult anyways

I don't actually know if it matters that rite "consumes" cryo for ult charge

[midnight stirrup]

Oh wait thats ult charge

[frozen tide]

Or if it only matters that she triggers cs with x amount of cryo

[midnight stirrup]

Not ult damage

Nvm

[proud vector]

Easy way to check is to check ult bar

45 vs 100 should be big diff

[midnight stirrup]

But yea lmk how to improve rot

Ill try it out when I see it

🫶

[frozen tide]

I think itd be best if i just told you optimal rot and you tried to fit it in

Whats your rite pot?

[midnight stirrup]

Ye

Schling

U should know this by now

[frozen tide]

P5?

[midnight stirrup]

P5R5

[frozen tide]

Okk

Theres 2 cycles i have in mind for first phase depending on breakpoint

[midnight stirrup]

Xaihi on det gilb on sig

[ancient drift]

@midnight stirrup Is there a reason why u want to run gilb instead of Ardelia here?

[midnight stirrup]

Perl on stanza

[ancient drift]

Ardelia will give u more CS dmg

[proud vector]

waif

[midnight stirrup]

Only 2% difference apparently and I prefer gilb

Ardelia is mid

[frozen tide]

Rite bs xai bs rite fs rite bs rite fs xai cs rite cs per cs gilb ult perlica ult rite ult

[ripe parrot]

[Knockback] and [Lift] damage multiplier = 120%
Wait wtf is this in its own pool?

[proud vector]

Eh if this is starting with full ults shouldn’t you try to fit Xaihi ult too

[frozen tide]

You don't need xai ult to kill first phase right

With that rot?

Or do you

[proud vector]

Oh just straight up overkill

that works

[ripe parrot]

I vaguely remembered Lift damage being kinda nice but now I realize it's better than I actually thought

[proud vector]

Eh? Wdym

[frozen tide]

And for phase 2 it would probs just be 3 3 ult

[proud vector]

Lift has baseline multipliers like skills and ultimates and normal attack does

[midnight stirrup]

This is pre cutscene rot right diff rot in 2nd?

[proud vector]

When ultimates reach into the 1k+%

A 120% mult isn’t out of the ordinary for lift

[frozen tide]

Yeah tbh i dont know how built everything is if this seems like overkill lmk

[proud vector]

Who knows maybe can skip phase 2 if hyper overkill

[frozen tide]

Its for phase 1

The rot i sent

[edgy crater]

btw, peppercat, how much ur lr do again?

[glacial jackal]

Which set is for lr

[ripe parrot]

oh my god i am so stupid I accidentally applied the arts intensity multiplier to the battle skill no wonder nothing added up

[ancient drift]

@midnight stirrup ur combo should be something like this

[ripe parrot]

i was like there is no chance in hell that chen's BS does like 80k lmao

[proud vector]

imagine though

Hahaha

[frozen tide]

@midnight stirrup i forgot to include gilb cs in notation but you can just press it when it pops up timing is not important for gilb cs in this context

[glacial jackal]

[ripe parrot]

that would be insane if arts intensity double dipped with the skill that applies lift/knockdown

[proud vector]

Would be op

[ancient drift]

I do so much more dmg with Ardelia - Gilb - Xaihi though

[ripe parrot]

actual super bis stat for chen

[ancient drift]

But my gear is ult dmg% so…

[midnight stirrup]

I made gilb ult 9 after this but everything else the same

[edgy crater]

hmm, on 00:23, it thougt u want to hold perlica ulti for another 1s? as it can make rhodagon skip lr 3rd slash?

[proud vector]

Apparently you can get the LR CS to hit but before the cyro is consumed, react it with Gilb for a lv4 corrosion

[midnight stirrup]

@edgy crater

But apparently rot cooked

[proud vector]

absolute wacky shit

[ripe parrot]

maybe this is why i identify as a chen player. i don't think or do math i just play the game

[frozen tide]

If ur perlica is not invested high just run arts intensity gloves

Don't even have to artifice it

Use it as a temporary stat stick

[midnight stirrup]

Yea she isnt. Only my LR has artificing 6/9 rn

Nothing else

[edgy crater]

hmm yeah, probably faster rota? also aint 440k really low for p5p5

[midnight stirrup]

Seems to be yeah

Idk why tho

Trying to figure that out

[frozen tide]

Perlica dmg is basically nothing until shes full invested

[frozen tide]

Can you test if consuming cryo with gilb ult after rite cs nets rite same ult charge as usual

Would greatly appreciate it

[edgy crater]

i thought ur ulti be like 500k consider i do 388k

[ancient drift]

Could be, normally I do this rotation with ardelia, since its better… But I prefer to use Ardelia - Gilb instead of perlica, since my LR is P1

[frozen tide]

Im dumb

Was xaihi page not rite

[midnight stirrup]

Uhm sure

[frozen tide]

[edgy crater]

yeah, sometimes my lr 3rd slash got skipped following ur sequence

[ancient drift]

I’ll try that, always when I ulti with gilb before my CS hit, it does so much less dmg

[midnight stirrup]

Clean dodges

Ill try

[ancient drift]

Thats why I always prefer to start behind the boss, then I only have to do one dodge

[edgy crater]

only know ur lr can face south when her cs target is in the north lol

[proud vector]

If trying this could you do me a favour and do it without LR ultimate up? Need to check if this affects energy gain

[night jackal]

So I've seen 3 different chest pieces being used for LR, which one is best? Aether, type 50 or bonekrusha

[edgy crater]

yeah same lol, spanking his ass

[midnight stirrup]

Didnt he do that

[proud vector]

No he ended up with a single nature infliction

[frozen tide]

Frontiers/bonekrusha usually depending on bp

[proud vector]

Means didn’t react

[midnight stirrup]

Read the teambuild guide in pins it specifically mentions the conditionals smh

[frozen tide]

Also corrosion res reduction is a new multiplier

[outer ermine]

just woke up

[frozen tide]

Should make her ult nuke harder

Might be an issue tho it could make second hit of ult phase change

Before third hit gets off

[proud vector]

For rod it may not be important but this is tech

[night jackal]

Why does everyone in the chat act like bullies when someone asks a question? You could just not answer brother

[proud vector]

Glorious glorious tech

we must know MOOOORE

[dusk isle]

afaik he cant phase transition while he is in the "half-bar stagger" animation

[frozen tide]

Good to know

I am not that knowledgeable on this kind of speedkilling details

Appreciate it

[outer ermine]

smh

[midnight stirrup]

All that bc I said smh

Get a grip

[proud vector]

sorry bout that m8, some people in here do be a bit spiky. I think it’s because that kind of question is usually better answered in #team-build

[midnight stirrup]

Youre asking questions you can answer urself if u do the bare minimum

[edgy crater]

cause, the sheet already tells u

[midnight stirrup]

Please dont apologise

[proud vector]

There is no need to be rude for something like a question though

[midnight stirrup]

I wasnt even rude

I said smh

Yall soft af if thats rude

[proud vector]

well yeah I suppose

I am Le soft

[edgy crater]

this more like alligning perlica utli

cause 1 sec off n 3rd slash skipped

[night jackal]

Then why even have this chat if everything could be answered if we looked it up ourselves? But hey y'all do y'all. Way to kill a community.

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

going back to sleep

[midnight stirrup]

This chat isnt for simple questions

Its for number crunching

Go to team building

[proud vector]

Deep questions be asked and answered here

Like order of operations and exact rotational optimisation

[midnight stirrup]

And with all due respect

Read the pins

[proud vector]

I guess it’s the tryhard chat so it comes with the usual gatekeeping

[night jackal]

Isn't changing a armor piece number crunching? I mean we are talking about changing percentages of all skill or just combo skill damage.

[frozen tide]

Peppercat was a bit confrontational but generally checking pins and the resources on it relevant to questions you have is a good thing to do

[proud vector]

Though cool shit gets found all the time

[dusk isle]

i wasnt expecting the avywenna tbh

[proud vector]

Oh you sweet summer child

[midnight stirrup]

I wasnt even confrontational

[frozen tide]

Bonekrusha is for a lot of high investment high potential speed kills perfect for breakpoints

[midnight stirrup]

I said smh

Pleek

[frozen tide]

Since you don't want to back load dmg if you can front load and kill

Before getting to the back of the cycle

[proud vector]

Alright full answer time

Which thing are you fighting, what is your entire team including weapons and potentials and gear, what is your exact rotation, what food if any is being used, is this for speed kill or just trim, do you have a video of attempts

[frozen tide]

Gilb lr is a bit weird because the nature of gilb forces lr to backload dmg onto ult which is technically just sub optimal rn

When the meta is killing with combo skills before you even have a chance to ult

But the ceiling of the dmg output itself is quite phenomenal with gilb

Even without going to that far of extended cycles

[night jackal]

I'll just find it myself but thanks

[proud vector]

if your LR is not p4 it’s probably just the tidefall one for like 10% ultimate energy for general use

But the moment you get into specifics you don’t need rotational stability anymore

[frozen tide]

If 3 4 ult was the good boss hp breakpoints gilb would be bis

[proud vector]

And other chests can see use over tidefall depending on the exact rotation timeline you are attempting

Expecially need to check what fight you are doing

[frozen tide]

Even without p4 for speedkills you def prefer other chests for rhod since you don't have time for second ult

[proud vector]

As that changes the SP availability a LOT

[oak vigil]

Tbh despite the differences in completion time, I appreciate the variety in terms of playstyles. Mode characters are awesome, I wish they would expend on it more in the future

Isn’t the difference like 10 seconds?

[frozen tide]

That 10 secs is huge when lr speedkill record is like 13 secs

Tho it prob isn't even 10 secs difference

And yeah its not that gilb lr ceiling is low either

[proud vector]

I wish I was more motivated and less employed (with the same income generation), we DO need a primer document LOL

[frozen tide]

Its just the circumstances rn don't call for it for speedkills

[proud vector]

So much basic knowledge is missing from general population

[midnight stirrup]

I think I did it wrong but idk

[frozen tide]

Gilb lr ceiling is kinda strictly higher than ard lr afaik

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide

[outer ermine]

oh ur doing the cryo consume thingy

[frozen tide]

Mmmmmmmm

[outer ermine]

i can do that rq

[frozen tide]

Can you kill the leftover health with 1 cs

And if so does that cs have to be 4 stack cryo

[proud vector]

Missed it

[midnight stirrup]

Hifumi take over pleek

I gotta sleep

[proud vector]

Nature infliction was still there and no corrosion kek

[frozen tide]

The rotation idea itself was good

[midnight stirrup]

Yea even tho I ulter with 4s

Which is weird

[frozen tide]

Could def be optimized more with like cancels and dodges

[midnight stirrup]

Guess it gotta be sooner

Lemme try again actually

[frozen tide]

Ult has queue time

[outer ermine]

wasting stew on gil smh

[frozen tide]

Since you need to hold it

[proud vector]

I think just barely before it hits yeah

Yeah oof the timing isn’t easy is it haha

[frozen tide]

You need to queue ult a lil early

The dmg was rly good even without the corrosion

With corrosion should easily be within 3 stack cs kill breakpoint after phase change

[outer ermine]

ight got it

[frozen tide]

And with character specific optimization you can prob just get the ult itself to just kill

[outer ermine]

recording at the end broke tho

[proud vector]

Ehh I mean the corrosion is still pretty fresh

It needs time to ramp up no?

Still, more damage is more damage

Can’t argue with that lol

[frozen tide]

4 stack corrosion with arts intensity even with just 3 secs of ramp time should be a huge increase

[proud vector]

Plus getting rid of the nature infliction is a good thing for LR

[frozen tide]

Res reduction is nuts

[proud vector]

[wanton notch]

How much DPS increase Artifice giving approximately?
Trying to find a way to shove 17 seconds from the boss and looking for options

[frozen tide]

For this timeline gilb never ults a second time

[proud vector]

Honestly given that it’s a high level corrosion and 33% ramped yeah you right

[frozen tide]

Might be better to use pulsar 3 piece than eternal

[proud vector]

[wanton notch]

There's only 5 stats left to artifice

[proud vector]

Res do be ressing

[frozen tide]

Pulsar 3 piece +aether gloves

[outer ermine]

https://streamable.com/c0ra3c
recording broke idk why, going back to sleep

[frozen tide]

And instead of sig probably stanza/mona

If you don't ult a second time sig is useless

With all the optimizations the ult should kill

And skip phase

🤔

[edgy crater]

is dat perfect frame?

[frozen tide]

Unless cs forces phase change

[outer ermine]

i already have the timing for it yes

[edgy crater]

w8, does it mean lr cs effected by ange ulti?

[outer ermine]

everytime i got bored on rhod runs i looked for that

[ancient drift]

@outer ermine This works only with perlica or I can do with Ardelia - Gilb team?

[outer ermine]

w/o ange ult was liek 400k? i forgor i dont usually no buff

[frozen tide]

It shouldn't if you do it right

Gilb sacrifices cs dmg to make ult hit way harder

[proud vector]

This is some wild stuff

[outer ermine]

i got work in 3hrs gl for now

[proud vector]

4 cyro stack 1 nature stack 1 vuln stack

Lmfao

[potent hornet]

anyone else see that 7k+atk Pog with like 1k will

saw it on reddit

[frozen tide]

Crazy to think about pulsar 3 piece gilb and 4 stack corrosion for this timeline

[edgy crater]

btw, how da heck u reach 500k+ cs? dats really high

[frozen tide]

There was a 1.8 mil cs right

With rite

Crit ofc

[proud vector]

This is the realm of whalllles

[frozen tide]

Yeah no u aren't hitting close to 2 mil f2p no buts

Rn atleast

[edgy crater]

1.8m crit, dat mean non crit do 1.2m

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide corrosion made no difference

[edgy crater]

or rather, how

[midnight stirrup]

I think it didnt count the stacks for cs

And I ulted gilb too early

[edgy crater]

pretty sure ur stack go eaten there

[midnight stirrup]

But any later and no corrosion

[edgy crater]

82k from the bonk

[midnight stirrup]

Wonder if theres even a sweet spot to ult

[edgy crater]

w8, yeah, its got eaten lol

[midnight stirrup]

Yea im aware

Thats why im saying

Its either gilb ult there and no stacks

Or ult later and no corrosion

Idk if theres a sweet spot cant find it

[edgy crater]

just perfect frame it

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway I sleep

[frozen tide]

I would love to test it myself

And it's not me being lazy either

[ancient drift]

I can also do the 530k CS, but it certainly is that LR CS Crit Glitched

[midnight stirrup]

Ardelia LR in big february

[frozen tide]

The way to hit max rite cs is very interesting

And it does not align with speedkill strats

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah see

[frozen tide]

It utilizes maxxed 4 stack corrosion

[midnight stirrup]

Gabriel cant get corrosion off either

[frozen tide]

Which means 10 second loss just from corrosion potency buildup

[midnight stirrup]

without sacrificing stacks

[ancient drift]

I tried the corrosion thing, same result as u @midnight stirrup , Either it consumes and LR hit no dmg on CS, or it just doesn’t work

[midnight stirrup]

just throw the 20 on the game bro

[edgy crater]

urs p3+?

[midnight stirrup]

u aint making it

[ancient drift]

P1

[frozen tide]

Hmm

Maybe i was mistaken then it might just be cryo visuals that stay not actual stacks

And it was hard to tell from the billi videos

Since they were doing so shit dmg

On everything

[edgy crater]

w8, how wtf

[ancient drift]

Her CS combo isn’t usually this high, we found a glitch on her CS dmg, it doesn’t show it, but it was a crit

[midnight stirrup]

how

[outer ermine]

ard gil should be better w gil stanza

[ancient drift]

Normally is around 372k

[edgy crater]

not 420k?

[outer ermine]

its ight

[ancient drift]

Maybe with ginseng

Idk

[frozen tide]

I heard rite cs can crit without displaying crit

Because the hit is an accumulation of dmg

Not one instance

[midnight stirrup]

tfw theorycrafting went from laev to lr crafting

[ancient drift]

Yep, we have discussed this here… @craggy pond actually did the breakdown of everything..

[frozen tide]

So if the none crit displaying instance crits

But the crit displaying instance(lower dmg one) doesnt

Itll do big dmg without showing crit

And those instances show as one dmg number

[outer ermine]

yea the yz run showed that a while back, copers thought that 1.1m wasnt crit

[frozen tide]

This is what i heard atleast

Lr is a very confusing character

[outer ermine]

least bugged interaction

[midnight stirrup]

hifumi

[edgy crater]

btw, does gingseng make dat bug appear constantly?

[outer ermine]

sup

u got 7 mins b4 i go away

[frozen tide]

The timing of cs corrosion if it exists would be starting to queue gilb ult before rite cs dmg goes through

Since theres a delay

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine can u do this and tell me what ur third ult hit damage and cs damage is

[outer ermine]

scroll up, idk my ult dmg my recording broke at end

[midnight stirrup]

do it again

[frozen tide]

Hmmmmmm

[midnight stirrup]

u dont need to record

[outer ermine]

takes like a min to farm gil ult

[frozen tide]

Theres another issue if the timing is fake and rite doesn't consume cryo herself

Rite applies susc for how many cryo she eats

I would assume corrosion even with minimal time for buildup would out scale the susc

But its still not ideal

[outer ermine]

if i dont get it in one try wait till i get back

[frozen tide]

Not to mention the ult charge issue as well

If rite gets ult from actually consuming cryo

Susc is far more saturated than res shred(not that res shred even has diminishing returns)

But rite ult also multiplies susc

Which benefits susc stacking more

Ig what im saying is that i don't actually know shit until i get the character to test myself or someone confirms that the timing is not real and i get sheeting

Was wrong of me to assume visuals in this game was anywhere near consistent with the actual mechanics

[potent hornet]

so on stack overflow when it shows the amp for cryo and nature say 19%, the line intellect raises amp limit 30%, does that mean the 19% is instead 30% or an addition 30% to the 19% from int?

for Xaihi

[frozen tide]

19+x*y

[potent hornet]

gotcha

[frozen tide]

X*y is capped at 30

(which you can't hit)

[potent hornet]

so it won't go over 30

gotcha

[frozen tide]

You can't even hit the 30

[potent hornet]

what is keeping us from hitting that?

[proud vector]

So the maximum it can ever be is 49%

Int

[outer ermine]

i fucked up thats all u gonna get for now

[edgy crater]

the gear lol

[proud vector]

You need so much int to hit 30%

[frozen tide]

We actually have the ideal weapon for hitting int threshold which is ard sig

[proud vector]

Like 1k+ int

[frozen tide]

And we still can't hit it

[digital scroll]

hi guys, i ended up with p4 lifeng cause he's all i can get apparently so does his gearing change with p4 in any way for pog lif chen endmin team?

[potent hornet]

oh so we have to go look at our int and do math to figure out what we are actually getting

[frozen tide]

With p5 ard sig you can hit about 1k int iirc

Not that its practical at all

[proud vector]

I think it might, did you check the pinned document in teambuilding already?

[frozen tide]

Just put the deto in the bag

[edgy crater]

u cant even use starry effect

[proud vector]

I don’t remember if the change is in there

[digital scroll]

yes it does not say anything about p4 unfortunately

[frozen tide]

P4 and mb both changes his build

[digital scroll]

i have both

[frozen tide]

Don't run xiranite

[proud vector]

Oh the ult threshold potential

Yes that would change stuff

[frozen tide]

I think its swordmancer with those

And like by a lot

[digital scroll]

hes currently on 3sm + bonekrusher ult charge chest

so with p4 he can go 4sm?

[potent hornet]

are the numbers for the cryo and nature amp showing on the ult already taking into account the int increase?

or is that the base without int included

oh i guess i could just find that out by taking off gear

[digital scroll]

iirc iana also said that p4 lifeng might outdps endmin

so that begs the question whether i still need endmin in the team

but probably yes since nothing else really so not much change

[potent hornet]

ok so its not accounting for int

so yea i'm already hitting 30%

[dire nymph]

prolly yeah since you still want someone consuming vuln

[digital scroll]

did you mean 4sm?

[potent hornet]

12.5% from int and then 19% on the skill

[frozen tide]

It scales with total int

[potent hornet]

or is it a 12.5% increas of 19

[digital scroll]

pog can eat it i guess and then no more worrying about breach expiring

but i wouldnt know who to put for last slot anyway so endmin stays for now

[dire nymph]

idk endmin rots but it doesnt expire on 4/4/4 pan rots for me

[scenic radish]

Which of these weapons should I not bother with as far as essence farming goes? Trying to make a list of weapons I want to get the correct essence for while I etch my main weapons

[elder skiff]

da pan would be bringing more to the table than endmin then, since you don’t need endmin’s dmg output anymore

[digital scroll]

444 is not doable on endmin

[frozen tide]

Probs 3 sm bone

[dire nymph]

ya endmin is 4/4

[frozen tide]

Endmin highest dmg should be 434

[digital scroll]

bone what? mask?

[frozen tide]

424 443 is possible too i think but probs not good

[dire nymph]

i should get endmin up

[frozen tide]

Tbh phys isn't my specialty im guessing bone ult chest

Iana or enion should know phys like the back of their hand

[edgy crater]

amp formula should be == [24(m3 base) + (int multi <= 36)] x 1.1 (p5)

[frozen tide]

I just know xira is not ideal for high pot mb lifeng

[digital scroll]

honestly im just really really bored of onfielding endmin so i'd love to onfield someone other than him or chen but we dont have anybody else cause lifeng/pog cant onfield well and theres no better 4th slot. i could run ember if i had her for stagger meme but i dont have her

[digital scroll]

thats what he has been on so far anyway

[ancient drift]

@midnight stirrup If u trying to kill the boss using CS+Ult just go with Xaihi - Ardelia - Gilb team, so easier to hit higher numbers. At least for me…

[frozen tide]

Lifeng dmg share becomes too big to sac personal dmg for xira

[craggy pond]

it's always been the case, people just never really paid attention to it and thought that's her non crit combo dmg.

In reality lr's combo skill has 4 possible outcomes, either nothing crit and it shows the base dmg, only the base portion crits and it shows low crit, only the bonus portion crits and it shows high non-crit, or both portion crit and it shows her true combo crit.

People are sort of robbed of their combo crits as they basically have to crit twice in a row just for her to do a supposed normal full crit

[frozen tide]

Huh just stacking the fuck out of susc for ult nuke with susc mult?

Lmao

[digital scroll]

aye aye. thats good. i should ask iana i suppose then. I am not familiar with enion unfortunately

[dire nymph]

yeah its 3sm and ult regen chest iirc but i could be pulling it out of my ass i just recall iana mentioning that

[wanton crown]

What's the website used for rotations that I see in some guides?

[scenic radish]

Is there a reliable weapon tier list to go off of, I don't want to invest in the wrong gear with my limited resources

[frozen tide]

Yeah iana is john physical endfield

[dire nymph]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

[elder skiff]

pog can onfield well though, most of the time he does the onfielding in phys teams

[dire nymph]

you can do something funny and go double slab lifeng just for the atk screenshot

[frozen tide]

Not rly any tier list but there is pretty well defined bis and second best options for operators(depending on comp)

[proud vector]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

Be warned

It’s Chinese runes

[wanton crown]

Thanks!

[frozen tide]

There are strictly dogshit weapons but a lot of weaps have different use cases

[edgy crater]

bruh, dats like 25% on top rng crit

[dire nymph]

im still stuck on what to do with my bp weaps

[scenic radish]

I just want to avoid investing in the strictly dogshit

[wanton crown]

So no English version yet? That's gonna be rough

[dire nymph]

i have laev's sig and idt ill get yvonne

[proud vector]

It is a Chinese website made by Chinese TC’ers tbf

Our English TC isn’t blazing fast off the ground yet

[dire nymph]

you can just use google lens with ur phone

iirc it should give enough context

[proud vector]

Iana is Chinese as well lol (but bilingual)

I think?

[dire nymph]

yeah

[potent hornet]

anyone else see the reddit post blasting Iana's sheets?

[midnight stirrup]

It isnt

[wanton crown]

Yeah I was more wondering for the English side of theorycrafting

[midnight stirrup]

Arknights endfield for discord is dead

[edgy crater]

prywden woshipper?

[midnight stirrup]

Theres like no servers

[potent hornet]

yea lol

[proud vector]

Half the decent TC is piggybacking from the Chinese side lol

[dire nymph]

they aren't really coming to make their better version/suggestions so like

[proud vector]

And honestly a lot of the TC that goes on in here is speed kill focused

Since trims are the endgame apparently right now

[potent hornet]

they were bitching because the sheet was only optimal builds and not variants that are less powerful

[proud vector]

Which is bullshit btw

[unreal light]

I mean as you’re already there, you may sheet stuff you need for yourself

[proud vector]

Shatter physical is on there

[potent hornet]

and because it was on the offical discord they should have had more options

[unreal light]

[wanton crown]

I saw that. It wasn't pretty

[unreal light]

Why wait for others to tc, if one can tc anything

[craggy pond]

yep, even with ginseng it's like a 2% chance of both portions critting

[proud vector]

Having resources already made makes it a lot easier to sheet lmao

[potent hornet]

yea, it was a bitchy post tbh, there was no need for that.

[midnight stirrup]

I mean I do agree there should be coverage for f2p in the guide instead of just saying yea dont

[potent hornet]

also the person probably blew a ton of pulls on other stuff

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt leave a lot of options to play that way

[potent hornet]

got Last Right at the end of their pull stock

[dire nymph]

how do yalls sheets look like

[elder skiff]

a part of the playerbase always gonna say ‘i’m not a meta slave’ then bitch about not clearing content while using the shittiest team ever

[potent hornet]

decided to main her and cried they couldn't get her to p3 or her weapon

[edgy crater]

bruh, dats really

btw, does this mess only exist on lr?

[potent hornet]

i dumped everything into getting last right and her weapon

[midnight stirrup]

Last right

[unreal light]

Pretty sheety lol

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JGFwzr0Dev4zMCK_XKBbK8y7Bh-af0YxLhSLwUFkB3w/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frozen tide]

Dont quote me on this, oversimplified
Stanza for everything and sundering for phys out of 5 stars are rly good often out performing 6 stars obj gun has bis use case razorhorn technically has bis use monaihe has bis? uses any ult charge ones usually have some sort of use case

Most sig 6 stars are good with the exception of ones that have healing/shield effects and never rest(subpar to thermite) and gilb sig is not that great at p0 but still has uses at p0
Aforementioned thermite is kind of used in everything shield/healing effect 6 stars are all dogshit bp 6 stars are usually subpar to sig with opus having negative use cases eminent repute and white night nova are dogshit

[dire nymph]

damn

[ancient drift]

Last “Right” right for u, right for me, right for everyone

[digital scroll]

since when? his sp gain and stagger is the same as endmin's but unlike endmin he doesnt really have good cancel points cause that woohoo dash animation has such a fkin small cancel window it's not worth the trouble. and chen beats both of them in speed im just refusing to use chen onfield cause sundering is so fugly i dont wanna look at it

[wanton crown]

I think the main complaint is about the visibly of the sheet, pin of the official discord. That forces the general public to think, no character is good if it's optimal

[potent hornet]

no regerts!

[dire nymph]

im piggybacking off of kura's sheets while trying to make it look readable and its lowkey taking so much of my time

[digital scroll]

is iana back tho? last time i checked they were on holiday or something? so idk if i should ping

[dire nymph]

u can ping

[potent hornet]

they were in here the last couple days

[midnight stirrup]

P4 fraud detected

[digital scroll]

oooh well say no more

[unreal light]

They’re the most active user here

[frozen tide]

My understanding is that he just doesn't wanna take this stuff as a job not that he doesn't wanna interact

But im not him

[ancient drift]

Hopefully they fix her CS crit hit in the next patches…

[potent hornet]

yeaaaa, i'm really sad about it. gonna save up and see if they drop any other basic pulls on us

[unreal light]

Why

[potent hornet]

i want TangTang

[unreal light]

I want bang bang tangtang

[dire nymph]

ive barely done shit LOL

[edgy crater]

rng on top rng

[unreal light]

[digital scroll]

@twilit quail i remember you mentioning that p4 lifeng changes things in regards to his gearing and potentially the team setup cause he may or may not outdps endmin? i have p4 lifeng+mb now but the sheet doesnt say anythign on this so i am humbly asking for your masterful insight oh lord of phys

[scenic radish]

I'll keep a note of this, thanks. I'll also check the recommended 6 and 5* weapons for each character and just hang on to those. I thought never rest was better for pog than thermite, but I have thermite so that info works for me, lol

[wanton notch]

Crit malding

[unreal light]

I’m insure, my sheets are like the prehistoric calculators, nothing much

[frozen tide]

The recommendation for weapons in game arent great

[ancient drift]

Fucking everyone’s speed run

[frozen tide]

I would suggest you atleast double check before taking the in game recommendations

[edgy crater]

crit malding ok, but if u need another rng for crit malding, dats

[digital scroll]

oh and i also got gil now, is her sig needed for ult charge? cause all that dmg% makes it kinda lose to stanza in my eyes. i was thinking of sticking her into laev team

[dire nymph]

im still setting up to do vlookups

[scenic radish]

What website would be the most reliable? There are several sites, I was just going to check them all and see the consensus plus my own experience with the character

[frozen tide]

Oh also don't throw away 5 stars and 6 stars

[dire nymph]

pretend image has image

[wanton notch]

It fcks my solo catcher trimm on rhodagn

Dude just don't wanna crit on finishers

But I can only imagine LR players malding when they are going for speed runs

[edgy crater]

dont forgot, rhodagon the testing subject lol

[digital scroll]

also is deto unit worth direct buying? seems like a great generalist wep

[frozen tide]

The pinned sheet is quite useful and nuanced because simple lists dont really work for example stanza is insanely good but doesn't work if operator using it is same element as the team etc

[scenic radish]

I dont plan to throw anything away, I and I dont really mind getting an essence for all of them, since the real grind is getting etching materials

[edgy crater]

quite worth if u have slave with orb weap

[frozen tide]

Theres weapons with specific conditionals that can or can't be reached depending on comps

Even with the same operator

And some effects are worth more in some comps than others

[oak vigil]

Not gonna lie, sheets are a little bit confusing for me, so I just calculate stuff manually and put it in the note app

It also helps me to realistically calculate, like with Arclight’s passive (with each 3 EBS - buff (I only have her at P3 unfortunately)) case where I won’t uphold it constantly due to that specific

[wanton notch]

They've heard people like gambling. So they put rng inside rng

[proud vector]

It’s worth considering at least, deto unit is strong on any caster wanting to inflict inflictions

[frozen tide]

Deto is amazing if your operator can trigger arts bursts in said comp

[proud vector]

Main attribute as main makes it flexible too

[frozen tide]

Which isn't always possible or advisable

[proud vector]

But right now that caster is like

What Xaihi?

[edgy crater]

nah, this misleading since wulf is a caster n he used gun lol

[frozen tide]

Secondary percent isn't always useful but the third line even without secondary percent is good

[proud vector]

We don’t have perlica spam bs for electro yet do we

[digital scroll]

do we know how the direct buy weps rotate in shop? cause i dont currently use perlica/antal/xaihi, i have no mats to raise electro team and got no LR for xaihi either so i wouldnt really put it to immediate use as gilberta would rather have stanza so deto would just be a future investment

[proud vector]

Oh shit right

[frozen tide]

Perlica can make use of deto in electro

[potent hornet]

Xaihi best girl

[proud vector]

Caster isn’t weapon here

[frozen tide]

You do use her bs

[proud vector]

Fuckkkk true

[ancient drift]

Whats the best time for P0 Laev clear on rhodagn?

[frozen tide]

Stanza and deto are like ying and yang

[potent hornet]

yea her battle skill works well with detonation on LR team

[gritty olive]

theres like a 14s afaik

[frozen tide]

You use stanza for off element operators and deto for on element

[edgy crater]

usually, u just check the timer

[potent hornet]

imo you should snag detonation even if you don't use em

[ancient drift]

My best time is like 1:14 :v

[frozen tide]

If you don't have a single copy i agree its very worth

[digital scroll]

that much was clear. i was mostly wondering how many of these 6* weps we have that can rotate to try to gauge when det unit will be back but prolly best to pick it up now. i wont need wep pulls for the foreseeable future anyway cause gil sig is not worth and im skipping flopvonne

[potent hornet]

its gonna be a crazy good patch up on teams when other supports pop out that you can get arts burst triggers on\

[frozen tide]

Whether grabbing a deto pot is worth depends on a lot of things probs

I didn't grab it cause im always pulling on a banner that has deto anyw

[edgy crater]

oh upcoming shop thing? its technically already on datamine teritorry

[potent hornet]

thats how i got my p5

[frozen tide]

You are allowed to discuss datamined stuff

[potent hornet]

pulling for Krav

[frozen tide]

Just not allowed to discuss datamining process etc

[digital scroll]

i know nothing about datamining or where to find sheet/resource for it

[edgy crater]

cant tell dat

[digital scroll]

anyway gonna wait for iana to get back to me on p4 lifeng. im real curious

[frozen tide]

.datamine

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086674729865226/1329386702946566206/unknown-1.png

[potent hornet]

i get to see into the future because i'm in the US

[frozen tide]

This is their metric

[potent hornet]

patiently waiting for wedge to pop up as a single pull

[frozen tide]

For what is datamining and what is leaking

[digital scroll]

wedge is good for someone? ooo

[potent hornet]

yvonne

[proud vector]

Basically we have l e e k s of questionable quality

[frozen tide]

Wedge high pot is better than artzy

Isnt p3 wedge better than p0 artzy or sum

[digital scroll]

oh eww flopvonne. nvm then. i lost to wedge

[potent hornet]

i don't have her yet buuut i'm assuming wedge is gonna be good on TangTang

[proud vector]

Watch as Yvonne becomes a demon with a custom support or something LOL

crit cyro infliction solidification support

[potent hornet]

well nevermind i might be wrong on that

[proud vector]

Combines with Xaihi to form mega hyper carry cyro core

[potent hornet]

TT is supposedly phys

so probably not wedge

[frozen tide]

Support that multiplies crit dmg and yvonne may be good

🔥

[potent hornet]

oooo

that might be what the cryo vanguard is

crit dmg would also support LR

[frozen tide]

A lot less than yvonne

Esp if its multiplying crit dmg instead of adding to

[potent hornet]

still big for LR

21% just from eating isn't horrible

[frozen tide]

Any decent cryo vanguard would be a dub for lr