#theorycrafting

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restive crescent
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feathery

open hare
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Tickle me timbers

restive crescent
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feathy

wind nebula
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She had me at "loo-pi-no"

lilac bloom
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avian i think

bronze plume
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learn the difference between when a human is called a kemonomimi and when a kemonomimi is called a furry

restive crescent
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aviany

open hare
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Tang tang the pirate bandit

humble matrix
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1.2k? Is this not the cap?

rich linden
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One of the defining factors are the paws

lilac bloom
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like if ur a furry but youre more interested in anthro birds

rich linden
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If u have paws ur a furry

rare zodiac
lilac bloom
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reptile ppl is scalies

summer flicker
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for the increase from int

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its not 24 ~ 36

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its 0 ~ 36 + 24

bronze plume
rare zodiac
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u get base 24 + the int scale amp

rich linden
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Im not getting tangtang

open hare
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But

rich linden
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Where my tangtang haters at

open hare
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Wait

edgy crater
weak meteor
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4 and below is acceptable

heady pine
lilac bloom
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tangtang is baller

bronze plume
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4 is acceptable? we are in a simulation

summer flicker
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you only get half for now, maybe int scale weapon later / red tier set

indigo pine
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well

heady pine
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nvm im blind

restive crescent
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isnt 5 just fennekin

open hare
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Hi blind

rich linden
summer flicker
open hare
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Im Hatsune Miku

open hare
rich linden
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Hahahaha

bronze plume
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ive got meat hands can i call myself a furry

indigo pine
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xaihi frontier gets u a whole 4.2% more amp at max artifice (for a grand total of 53.6% -> 57.8%)

open hare
rich linden
indigo pine
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which is cool but having buff for more of the rota is nice too

lilac bloom
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what should my rotation be on the electric team

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avy perli gilberta and akekuri

indigo pine
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i have a detailed guide covering the antal version </3

open hare
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Zeus

restive crescent
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guidemaker debuff

indigo pine
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though it shouldnt be too different of a rota

open hare
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My guide for last rite players is to just bonk everything

lilac bloom
open hare
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Last Rite players assemble

indigo pine
lilac bloom
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or like what is the antal version

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for ppl who dont have gilberta?

edgy crater
summer flicker
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pot 5 get 1.1 increase for the ult

open hare
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Damn

indigo pine
edgy crater
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hmm yeah dats close number

summer flicker
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i dont know how much int is she at lvl 90

indigo pine
summer flicker
indigo pine
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i forgor tbh

edgy crater
summer flicker
indigo pine
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my xaihi is p0 </3

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😭

summer flicker
indigo pine
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BRO I GOT LIKE P5 ALESH AND P0 XAIHI THE WORLD IS CRUEL

summer flicker
outer ermine
summer flicker
restive crescent
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nice. p5 alesh. nice. this is an osu moment.

summer flicker
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i need that ult energy reduction

restive crescent
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nice.

edgy crater
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cause when i cal my xaihi, its 68

lilac bloom
summer flicker
lilac bloom
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he reminds me of 12f

bronze plume
edgy crater
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hifumi, u got max deto yet?

outer ermine
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i have like 7 deto

edgy crater
bronze plume
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can i have 1

edgy crater
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holy

outer ermine
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4 more tc for 2 p5

edgy crater
indigo pine
outer ermine
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i got 1 box for it

indigo pine
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idk if i can link here lol

lilac bloom
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u can dm i dont mind

outer ermine
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i forgor, didnt we check few days ago or sumshit

bronze plume
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can i have 1 det unit hifumi

edgy crater
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cause if it's 700 int, she should give 69.5 amp lol

bronze plume
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wtf is the landmine hater role bro

indigo pine
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lv90 with detonation unit should be 625 int with frontiers

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again unless im skill issuing something

open hare
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Is xaihi smart enough for that though

indigo pine
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which is possible these are wip calcs

edgy crater
open hare
indigo pine
lilac bloom
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wait i have 2 oblivions

open hare
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Is that Madoka

lilac bloom
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oblivion perlica and oblivion antal

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hmm

open hare
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Is that Puella Puella Magi Madoka

summer flicker
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641 int max for left setup(may varied abit) or 623 for right setup

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PerliDerp 20 int diff, as i expect

indigo pine
bronze plume
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thats how math works

indigo pine
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i should make calc use p5 value

restive crescent
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its like 667

chilly bolt
indigo pine
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yeah but its just for the drops of extra amp

open hare
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Yes

edgy crater
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its just for int value lol

summer flicker
indigo pine
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ok zzzz lemme recalc it and get back with the numbers

summer flicker
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does yvonne does 2 final strike faster than xaihi hmm

open hare
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Please HG give us more int sets that give 20m int

bronze plume
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i need more crowns man

open hare
bronze plume
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because i wanted to

restive crescent
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wait i added 15 before the % for some reason its 641

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:|

bronze plume
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why would i not spend a resouce within the game

open hare
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Save

chilly bolt
bronze plume
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why would i care about saving them

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we finna get more anyway

outer ermine
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PerliFumo i dont have my xaihi full artificed

bronze plume
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so imma spend what i got on whom i want

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which is laevatain and ardelia

restive crescent
summer flicker
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its not about te fastest, its about if 2 yvonne final attack r faster than xaihi combo cd

indigo pine
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should be 669 int with p4+ & tidefall armor

open hare
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Okay guys, bye bye

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Don't ping me

bronze plume
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maybe its time i do dps ardelia PerliFumo

summer flicker
chilly bolt
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Without any reduction

bronze plume
restive crescent
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(127+113+84+27*2+15)*(1+0.269*2+0.16) what did i miss this is 667

summer flicker
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if you do final strike withot any dodge / interruption, its faster based on end axist PerliDerp

chilly bolt
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Hitstop too

outer ermine
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PerliWheeze at most u can pilot my acc and do rhod sub 10

bronze plume
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do you have max pot ardelia

edgy crater
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this is like max int u can get from artificing isnt?

outer ermine
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p3

bronze plume
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whats even the point gang

chilly bolt
outer ermine
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could have been lifeng pots PerliWaaaaa

edgy crater
warm galleon
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If int is all you want give her Ardelia's wep PerliWheeze

chilly bolt
summer flicker
edgy crater
chilly bolt
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She looks smart, but she is not smart

restive crescent
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me when no det or chiv so im on ardelia weap

warm galleon
edgy crater
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wtf xaihi using starry

restive crescent
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the great brickening of 2026

summer flicker
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i doubt you hit 1k2 with that tho

edgy crater
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yeah no

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but i assume u can reach 700 int?

summer flicker
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900

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ish

restive crescent
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932

summer flicker
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i feel like

edgy crater
chilly bolt
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Wtf...

summer flicker
edgy crater
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damn, where da faq she get another 300?

restive crescent
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very smart xaihi

bronze plume
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surely this will work

summer flicker
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156 * (the 2nd bonus) ~ 300

twilit quail
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det unit was nerfed going into obt which is why we have this awful situation now with xaihi

proud vector
bronze plume
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thats just hot works gang

twilit quail
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in essence 3x frontier is a cbt leftover

unreal light
summer flicker
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almost max yvonne, waiting to max the last int in the lynx

edgy crater
summer flicker
edgy crater
restive crescent
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give me either of them

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ill take any of the two

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give me p1 perlica too

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i beg

bronze plume
summer flicker
bronze plume
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is it just oblivion

edgy crater
summer flicker
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max artifice

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too

twilit quail
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are you trying for single hit dmg

edgy crater
twilit quail
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or over time dps

bronze plume
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overtime

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the consistent dps

twilit quail
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uhhh

restive crescent
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2am gm chat

indigo pine
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ok i recalced

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xiranite still > frontiers

twilit quail
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I believe last I did this in cbt

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it was 3x crit and a slab

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LMAO

edgy crater
bronze plume
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oh hell nah

summer flicker
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ok noice, its time to artifice xiranite chest

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in this economy

twilit quail
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"oh hell nah" is reasonable yeah

modern wagon
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for lae is the hot work dps gear set or the full ult gain hear set better

bronze plume
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im using hot works like a chad clearly

summer flicker
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just oneshot

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its that easy

restive crescent
twilit quail
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anyway

bronze plume
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maybe ill just wait for M12 and oblivion for funny ardelia moments

twilit quail
restive crescent
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in 1 skill rotations

lilac bloom
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this rotation is insane good lord

outer ermine
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bro i got like 3 artificed chest for xaihi EmberCopium

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xiranite, tide, front

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help this girl

summer flicker
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prep for the 4th chest

twilit quail
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there will be new gear set

restive crescent
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itsok u have the chests preartificed for future units

twilit quail
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replace all 4 pieces

restive crescent
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surely

twilit quail
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🙂

outer ermine
bronze plume
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replace all 4 pieces for a 5% increase in dmg

twilit quail
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replace all 4 for lr as well

summer flicker
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where the deartificed so i can refund my artificed piece

edgy crater
bronze plume
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crunch those numbers batman

restive crescent
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no......... not the slab powercreep

edgy crater
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bruh my 100+ artificing

bronze plume
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slab had to be in power to be powercrept

edgy crater
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pray wulling upgrade lol

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need more wuling stock PerliDerp

bronze plume
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i just hope we get sets that make it

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so that you actually use set bonus on some ops

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clearly make a ult gain set that gives 100% extra ult gain when you have the 3pc

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thatll go well

summer flicker
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im in pain

restive crescent
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350 ult gain gilberta

edgy crater
restive crescent
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im so hyped

outer ermine
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yea

twilit quail
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they will make another slab with str/agi

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and everyone will use slab

lilac bloom
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@indigo pine sorry for the ping but would you reccomend jet or detonation unit?

twilit quail
edgy crater
lilac bloom
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from the free weapon box

bronze plume
edgy crater
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slab for str

twilit quail
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they will name it

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in contrast to the slab

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the spike

restive crescent
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i cant wait for int% but its 2% higher base in region 3

summer flicker
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det goat

indigo pine
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if u have any interest in electric team jet is mandatory

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p5 cohesive traction (next best option) is over 30% worse

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than p0 JET

twilit quail
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WW is like a do nothing weapon because avy already fills up dmg% zone with like 200

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so you have to use like monaihe

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but it's still way better than no jet

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cohesive is such ass

lilac bloom
summer flicker
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ye then jet

bronze plume
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if avy want jet

heady pine
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Less than 2 hrs

summer flicker
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wtf

restive crescent
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just lose to jet and det and eternally have the box hoarded

heady pine
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Just grab it for arsenal tickets

bronze plume
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they arent wrong

lilac bloom
outer ermine
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PerliStareYou biggg

outer ermine
lilac bloom
summer flicker
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cant afford to spend those at because i dont plan to pull for very long

proud vector
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Wait does NA have clairvoyance rank B due to Asia

summer flicker
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should i get det p1

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hmm

restive crescent
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noooooo physical is not real until i calc and realize its the best comp noooooooooo

proud vector
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:PerliWheeze LOOOOL

heady pine
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Not much of a clairvoyance

summer flicker
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@indigo pine how would you value det p1

proud vector
lilac bloom
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i know its maybe not like the best idea but i really think i should get detonation unit outright

bronze plume
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see i would get det unit

lilac bloom
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like its so good and i dont have my own copy

warm galleon
bronze plume
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however my hope is i can soon remove perlica from the electric team by like 1.3

outer ermine
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969 w my current artif

edgy crater
lilac bloom
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yeah i think i will

heady pine
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Unless thermite cutters in the shop it should be fine

lilac bloom
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i have the spare arsenal tickers

heady pine
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If u gotta go Det unit thermite back to back it’s fucked

lilac bloom
heady pine
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Oh nvm then

restive crescent
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ill take both

heady pine
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Go get det unit

lilac bloom
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🫡

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im glad i waited

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just to be safe

proud vector
summer flicker
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is thermite cutter near tho

heady pine
indigo pine
twilit quail
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in 3 weeks we can get 300 tokens from weeklies RAHHHH

summer flicker
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what about p1 thermite cutter

proud vector
summer flicker
proud vector
summer flicker
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i dont know what i even want to buy for the 6*

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1% attack

proud vector
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Yeah no don’t bother

summer flicker
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i guess i just skip all those weapon, lmao

proud vector
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You can get thermite as a spook in a sig banner anyways

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Only the first copy is a consideration

summer flicker
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oh ye, right

lilac bloom
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yeah first copy is just crazy value

summer flicker
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i guess i should get obj too

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in case i want to build heat/ele team

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but

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stanza exist

lilac bloom
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pots are always mid and the 6* rate is like 4% so its rly common to get off rateup stuff

summer flicker
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i guess mono ele/heat team

proud vector
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You wanna hold like 13.8k Arsenal tickets alongside 120 pulls to get character + sig garenteed

bronze plume
twilit quail
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dont get obj

bronze plume
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i actually wonder what the % chance of arsenal and oro showing up is

twilit quail
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obj is pretty worthless

lilac bloom
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obj is kinda whatever isnt it

bronze plume
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wheres that theorycrafter

summer flicker
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but there not even mono team right now

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bruh

lilac bloom
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with stanza and wanderer

proud vector
summer flicker
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everyteam has off ele i feel like

proud vector
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It’s high enough that you get one or the other in like 2 rerolls 90+% of the time

twilit quail
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I would rather buy a monaihe than obj

bronze plume
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does perlica use wild if no det in electric

proud vector
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Worth it tbh, though I snag like a discounted thingy to get to 300 credits sometimes

summer flicker
twilit quail
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ww is like

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it's a third rate cope option

summer flicker
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im seeing more oro than at

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😭

twilit quail
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even raising monaihe is a better investment

summer flicker
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i want at, oro meh

twilit quail
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use oblivion if you have it

proud vector
summer flicker
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oro worth half

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😭

proud vector
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PerliStareYou it helps build up character pulls

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Ain’t that bad

bronze plume
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i had obliv in cbt does that count

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imma not super invest in perlica anyway

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praying on her downfall in terms of a new character

summer flicker
proud vector
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Yes but the character pull can become weapon pull

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PerliDerp ….

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This is a predatory system

bronze plume
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just get a 6 star character every single pull

restive crescent
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gacha

proud vector
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It obscures the value of a pull

bronze plume
proud vector
summer flicker
bronze plume
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im still a D1 hater give me back the cbt1 gamemode

proud vector
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PerliDerp no no it’s just my self inspection circuit buzzing awake and going “are you defending pull currency because ‘you get weapon pulls from it’”

bronze plume
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this would totally be a good idea

summer flicker
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120 gib you around 40~50

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😭

bronze plume
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thats like a buy 1 get 1 free

summer flicker
bronze plume
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thats 100% worth it

restive crescent
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-1 guarantee

summer flicker
restive crescent
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+1 gilberta pot

bronze plume
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gang what does at mean

proud vector
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That’s the psychological trap

summer flicker
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the 80 thingy meh in this system anyway

bronze plume
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its so ass

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clearly i do it cuz building pity towards rossi is a good idea

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clearly i wont get a 6 star

proud vector
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Oh right with the forbidden knowledge Rossi would be of interest to you

summer flicker
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you lose it, what ever, if you have it, and you lose 5050, you still go to like 80 rolls + or sth or lose again at reach 120

bronze plume
proud vector
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PerliDerp it’s forbidden, friend

restive crescent
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golly

proud vector
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And likely bs lmao

summer flicker
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doing that just for the AT

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the 80 pity meh anyway, i assume the worst, have 120 pulls and pull

proud vector
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Some leek stuff, not sure if allowed on here

summer flicker
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no

proud vector
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Then yes forbidden PerliDerp

restive crescent
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based on my data set of 1, its taken 120 pulls to get the on banner character

summer flicker
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official never allow leek

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bru

restive crescent
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100% certainty that it takes 120

proud vector
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Unironically

summer flicker
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base on my data set of 2, it take 4 and 25 rolls

proud vector
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I’ve seen officials that have like close to no moderation

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Most hilarious shit

summer flicker
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endfield system is the best in the world

restive crescent
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i havent seen ur dataset therefore i will erase it from my mind. it seems we have reached a consensus

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🤝

proud vector
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Is this why endmin lost their memory

proud vector
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PerliDerp bad gatcha pull erase from memory

summer flicker
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engrave my data set to you

proud vector
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PerliWheeze what are you gonna build with that a Yv*nne team?

summer flicker
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yes

compact bridge
summer flicker
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its pretty clear i want to do yvonne team

proud vector
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Now what, pull more for Arsenal tickets?

summer flicker
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wait for the next 2 banner

proud vector
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Feels pain no?

summer flicker
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if you want to pull them

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if not then pain

compact bridge
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Pulls more obviously

proud vector
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PerliStareYou well my number is for when you stop pulling when hit limited so

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It is what it is

compact bridge
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I got laeva on 7 pity

summer flicker
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the system design kinda to prevent that, but still, if you dont fond of any char in the next 2 banner

compact bridge
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I keep pulling to 60 as soon as i learn how the pity work

summer flicker
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its pain cuz no at source

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bruh

compact bridge
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6* pity actually carried to next banner

proud vector
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Yeah I kinda just want to stockpile Arsenal tickets so I don’t get forced into pulling more than I have to

warm galleon
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Yah the 5050 carry over but not the guarantee on first 120

proud vector
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This allows me to shock absorb as much variance as possible

compact bridge
proud vector
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The standard HH tickets have built me a strong buffer

warm galleon
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I'm at 30 til 5050 and hoping I get 2 yvonne dupe before the 120, so p3 by 120

restive crescent
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the standard tickets have built me an ardelia

proud vector
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PerliStareYou hopefully I can carry that for my limited garentees with sig for 1.1 and 1.2

summer flicker
proud vector
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Ikr

summer flicker
proud vector
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It’s edging me I’m 18 away from a 6*

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yOOO I FEEL YOU

compact bridge
summer flicker
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i need 15 for another standard (potentially lifeng pot 1)

edgy crater
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btw anyone already artifi max arts intens on perlica?

restive crescent
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this is not tc but chat should i spend 124k yen on monarch 4s

edgy crater
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w8, how u calculate arts intensity for electrification again?

jagged tiger
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Wait

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Progress to 5050 carry iver

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But not the guaranteed?

summer flicker
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not the 120

compact bridge
jagged tiger
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Wow

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That change alot

compact bridge
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Yea exactly

lilac bloom
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perlica wants the pulsar labs set right

jagged tiger
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If you want to use her as super debuffer

gritty olive
jagged tiger
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I would hold back from getting the full set artificed thoigh

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1.1 might bring in new gearsrt

lilac bloom
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hm

jagged tiger
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What i do know is my Xaihi and Ardelia set is kinna fixed

lilac bloom
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i was thinking of using her in electric with the avy, antal, and gilberta team

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and running oblivion on her with the detonation unit on antal

compact bridge
jagged tiger
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Antal and not arclight or akekuri?

eternal ruin
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tfw i still see people running single slab on p0 laev

gritty olive
rich linden
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im almost done artificing laeva

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the last ones are so hard 😭

gritty olive
eternal ruin
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kit line 1 is BS

gritty olive
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just one more pyrometer

rich linden
twilit quail
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evil 40 pity

gritty olive
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i have two impending sets for completion already

eternal ruin
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working on ult charge set's strength now

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feels marginally better with good matches

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2 more taps to go

jagged tiger
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People just read the number but not the fine prints

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When thing is too comlicated

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Always spam ult

midnight stirrup
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@outer ermine why u running ardelia sig on xaihi

outer ermine
midnight stirrup
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u got p5?

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jfc

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u running ardelia with det?

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or stopped running ardelia all together

outer ermine
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same thing i just left xaihi w starry cuz im working PerliWheeze
xai det

midnight stirrup
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oh okay

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ty

ashen scroll
# jagged tiger People just read the number but not the fine prints

Imo its because people are weird , claim to be casual then crash out when gear they copy from their fav content creator is not the most optimal , complain about stuff being too hard while they have 0 understanding why is that the case then smugly claim stuff being too easy, easily switch from being "good player" then claim to be "casual" when they have skill issue , all this larping make me want to twist their balls cant take anything seriously EmberCopium

rare zodiac
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Lots of word for “they are dumbass”

ashen scroll
fervent totem
flat agate
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do i do bonekrusha on pog on an endmin team

gritty olive
drifting quest
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they got warned before

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so could be the case

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no clue why

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the warning before was super dumb

neat snow
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🤔

brave scaffold
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should i get gilberta sig weapon or should i only pull weapon if my character is dps?

Cus I'm a lightspender so idk what I am missing out if I skip on her weap

drifting quest
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Gilb sig has value if you mean use of the ult gain %, which can happen in some teams, but is a brick if you do not use it

See Pins for which teams are wanting it versus which don't care

brave scaffold
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thankyouuu.
yea heard some ppl said that the enegery gain were useless and idkwhy

twilit quail
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of course they put fraudspirant here

brave scaffold
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still no sheets on how her bis affect the dmg outcome of the team? and similar comparisons

twilit quail
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fucking never rest

drifting quest
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damage wise her sig is like almost always worse

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but sometimes you just need the ult gain for a breakpoint

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damage over time wins out if you're hitting a breakpoint versus missing it

brave scaffold
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ah. I see. So I'm just missing a chonk of dps by timing if I'm using something like Stanza then .
Exactly what I need. tyyy

drifting quest
#

just know it differs per team

#

so stanza can be better in teams that do not require a breakpoint

sterile patrol
#

@twilit quail do you have the yvonne energy math for the timeline in the sheet? susge

valid palm
#

I'm so tired of Discord's new opt-in channels thing. I always forget to check for channels like this lol

sterile patrol
#

nvm im guessing it was with charge seal

#

i cant read im gacha player

valid palm
#

Data on character basic timings and, more importantly, SP generation from Final Strikes/Finishers/Dodging

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Since the game itself only says "some"

sterile patrol
#

i thought we already had data on SP from all that stuff

#

it didnt change right

ashen scroll
#

Reading is not on my essence attribute

twilit quail
outer ermine
sterile patrol
#

arent ya missing a lil energy

valid palm
twilit quail
#

4 consumed is exactly enough with 0

valid palm
#

If you can point me to it though I can confirm

twilit quail
#

hang on

#

im not home

sterile patrol
#

unless theres been a change with her energy

valid palm
#

tl;dr though, if the SP numbers from before were flat and readable at all, it was wrong lol

sterile patrol
drifting quest
#

is this 3 or 4 stacks consumed

#

or some 2 stacks thrown in there

#

since yvonne has a couple of options to stacking based on teammates

valid palm
#

SP generation isn't designed in respect to Points, it's designed in respect to time

#

I would have put this in a guide channel but currently they're locked down xBoo xHoo

outer ermine
#

just search gilb 16 here and you'll find it

valid palm
#

oh yeah lol

#

all of these are wrong

#

oops, didn't mean to ping them

sterile patrol
#

based on his sheet it just looks like the values people found are rounded up versions no?

valid palm
#

Some are closer than others

sterile patrol
#

very minor impact

valid palm
#

Some are just rounded, but others are like 2-3 points off

sterile patrol
#

i dont understandw hy hes doing finisher by SP/sec either

sterile patrol
valid palm
#

It's how many seconds of your bar are refunded

sterile patrol
#

its based on how many seconds of your skill bar

#

yea

#

but

#

finisher changes based on enemy

valid palm
#

It might change based on boss vs. regular enemy, but all regular enemies tested the same

long kite
sterile patrol
#

idt a regular enemy is relevant is all for that

#

but

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

valid palm
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

valid palm
#

apparently this is why

sterile patrol
#

only looks like catcher /snowshine were wrong

drifting quest
#

tc in general always lags behind on units no one cares about

twilit quail
#

Im not gonna be home for a while, but basically
with 500 sp consumed and two combos we have the following
3 bs freezes, 2 combo freezes, 4 stacks consumed
50 from freezes, 120 from consumption

#

you get total 222.5

valid palm
twilit quail
#

which is enough

valid palm
ocean hawk
#

finally I completed my lae team

severe magnet
#

Would it be worth running pulser lab + slab for dps perlica?

ocean hawk
#

nvm, after I unlock wulfgard gold gear equip, I just realize he need 240% ult gain

sterile patrol
#

my break is making me mess up energy calcs

dry kindle
#

🗣️

#

anyway

#

finishers are enemy specific

sterile patrol
#

3 BS rot saves the day

valid palm
twilit quail
dry kindle
drifting quest
#

combos: 10x2 > 20
combo extra: 10x2 > 20
yvonne skills: 6.5x3 > 19.5
skill extra: 10x3 > 30
4 infliction stack consumed: 30x4 > 120
2 external skills: 6.5x2 > 13

total 222.5

sterile patrol
#

ye the energy works

drifting quest
#

ok yeah

#

i was forgetting the external skills

sterile patrol
#

my energy calc had the 2 bskills instead of 3 from older rotations i was trying

#

my bad

lost raft
#

Which one provides a more substantial benefit, Chivalric Virtues or Detonation Unit?

#

or are they similar?

valid palm
dry kindle
#

only xaihi can trigger chiv rn so

drifting quest
#

but chiv gilb lmao

dry kindle
#

keep forgetting gilb even has heal

drifting quest
#

its aoe gated so go figure

sterile patrol
#

there might be someone running chivalric ardelia to this day

ocean hawk
#

should I keep etching 5 to 6 lae, or just etch other essence and use gel forr 5 to 6 lae

twilit quail
#

I saw someone using opus on ard

ocean hawk
#

since we get gel on both success and fail right ? (when etching)

ocean hawk
#

aight

severe magnet
ocean hawk
#

then I've just wasted like 16 essence on that 5 to 6 lae

twilit quail
#

keep gambling

severe magnet
valid palm
# dry kindle other

do we have any data on success rates for etching? Even the 'high' success rate seems pretty low DeadFischl

ocean hawk
dry kindle
#

also isnt dodge 7.5sp

valid palm
twilit quail
#

why did bilibili put ember electric on my front page

dry kindle
#

at least its not horni mods

drifting quest
#

the lesser of two evils

twilit quail
#

i would rather see the porn

dry kindle
#

fuck off

twilit quail
dry kindle
valid palm
dry kindle
#

bleh uh

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120fps cope it is

#

aaaaa how the fuck do i spam input without getting nuked by ac

#

cant mouse wheel input gg

wanton notch
drifting quest
#

produce the catcher tc you want to see then

dry kindle
#

i dont even hit consistent 120 gg

wanton notch
ocean hawk
#

This week and today weapon refresh

dry kindle
#

racism

drifting quest
#

Datamine was right

#

safe

distant python
gritty olive
drifting quest
#

no deto for me but p5 sundering

#

ugly weapon

distant python
#

I don't buy the 5 star weapons

#

I will get them eventually

#

But yeah I need to buy det unit

#

Idk if I have enough tickets

#

I just spent them on Gil sig

sterile patrol
#

twelve questions for arclight dps businesspepe

dry kindle
#

i dont wanna count frames waaah

distant python
#

Better than using her as sp battery now though

#

Since akekuri is just better in electric team with Gil release iirc

drifting quest
#

i do wonder if 12q is better or worse than wnn

dry kindle
#

nvm i have ffmpeg

opal river
#

would Chimeric Justice work for Lifeng as a stat stick?
all i have are Jet, OBJ and Cohesive Traction
no Valiant nor Mountain Bearer

distant python
#

Ult bot

#

But it's cope

sterile patrol
#

might as well run jet as stat stick

#

if not using ult on chimeric

drifting quest
#

oh right that was the thing to calc

#

jet vs chimeric

sterile patrol
#

jet beats it if not using ult by a decent amount

distant python
#

Ult spam with full arts intensity on lifeng?

drifting quest
#

chimeric goes like 3 xir + off piece ult gain no

#

i forget the breakpoint

sterile patrol
#

i found jet to be 27% increase with same gear same rotation, obv will be smaller gap when you use the ult%

distant python
#

Idk, i stopped using lifeng cause ardelia is easier to build

drifting quest
#

i wanted to check the edited timeline

#

since you can chase like 1 ult per 4 stack

distant python
#

But like just use pog + ember as your extra phy units

#

Outside of crusher + Chen

drifting quest
#

ember PerliFumo

opal river
#

if the google doc is to be refrenced won;t i need to ult with him for every 2 rotations?
or would purely using the Xirinite set with some minor artificing be enough?

distant python
#

If you are going for maximum damage yeah you use lifeng, but if you care about maximisation you would also already have got a good weapon for lifeng

drifting quest
#

iana's doc assumes valiant or mb (or jet too) timeline

#

idt it as the chimeric one

opal river
#

nope, it only says Valiant or MB
nothing about Jet

#

so Chimeric has its own line?

distant python
#

I'm ngl, theorycrafting maximum damage seems kinda meh when there's very few time checks in this game

#

Hardest part of umbral isn't the DPS check, it's just not dying

drifting quest
#

jet is the same timeline

distant python
#

Theorycrafting should therefore be based around the easiest way to not die

drifting quest
#

since its the same ult gain

distant python
#

Therefore double sustain meta

dry kindle
#

@valid palm tf frame you start counting for dodge cardi

valid palm
dry kindle
#

dodge pauses sp regen so yeah

#

fml

valid palm
#

Makes sense though, it does timestop briefly

#

It would have to be like 0.5+ seconds of timestop though for it to be 7.5SP on a dodge

opal river
# drifting quest since its the same ult gain

i might be having trouble understanding things here so sorry
so Jet is in the same boat as Valiant and MB and it would work better as a stat stick because 6* base stats?
while Chimeric does have Ult gain, it would be no different than Jet because the Ult gains are way too high during the Full theoritical Rotation for it to matter?

valid palm
#

If you're experienced in pixel measurements, you could try going frame-by-frame to gauge which frame the bar stops moving, and when it starts again. I think pixel measurements for measuring SP gain is flawed (but produced results closer to mine than what the discord post has), however using it to simply determine 'has changed' and 'hasn't changed' is perfectly accurate.

dry kindle
#

why is sp tick so slow fml

frozen tide
#

im sure im late to the news

#

but

#

psa

dry kindle
#

either that or its a 1.5s pause

drifting quest
dry mason
frozen tide
#

5 star output weapon with ult charge second line

#

for a dps

dry kindle
#

nvm 0.6s

opal river
dry kindle
#

start frame on after image

#

sp starts 2 frames earlier

frozen tide
#

frame counting for visuals isnt fully accurate

#

because a lot of times visuals arent made to match the actual fully

#

its made to look good while being close enough to actual

dry kindle
#

anyway next sp tick is here so YA

#

im calling it 0.6s and you cant stop me

cinder oxide
#

What are the masteries for Wulf and Ake in Laev team

dry kindle
#

none

cinder oxide
#

Doesn’t Ake ult get more sp per lvl

dry kindle
#

fuckin 6

cinder oxide
#

Lmao ok

valid palm
#

Actually, that fits very nicely with the 25/60 refund I found (or 50/120)

dry kindle
#

13sp dodge

#

wao

#

explodes

valid palm
#

yeah

#

Looks pretty convincingly like you actually get exactly 1 second, or 13sp off of a dodge

#

(but with a 7/12th second time stop)

dry kindle
#

fuck you obs why were you recording

#

anyway lr fs

west moon
#

There are huge spenders, whales
There are middle spenders, dolphins
And how do we call low spenders? Homeless? Fish?

dry kindle
#

wait wrong start

frigid vector
#

sardines

valid palm
dry kindle
#

rite

valid palm
#

OH

dry kindle
#

just check wiki

frigid vector
#

are you trying to measure the sp regen from a perfect dodge?

dry kindle
valid palm
#

actually could I get a link to look into it myself

dry kindle
#

what did you test on

valid palm
#

slugs, crabs, female bonekrushers, and hacksaw dudes at the start of Power Plateau

#

pretty sure all of those would be normals

#

25 for the female bonkrushers

dry kindle
#

mfw crabs

#

anyway

valid palm
#

So I'm pretty sure they're excluding the SP loss from the time stop

#

Which makes sense

dry kindle
#

25/35/50/100
normal advanced elite boss

dry kindle
wanton notch
dry kindle
#

wut

#

oh yeah

#

youre missing laev ult sp

#

smhsmhsmh

wanton notch
dry kindle
#

not you mf

valid palm
dry kindle
valid palm
dry kindle
#

oh ult is faster YA

#

explode

valid palm
# dry kindle mfw

I can't replicate my exact timing/process since it's screenshots instead of video, but this seems almost perfectly accurate too. Only one frame off from 1275, which is 10.625 seconds (10 and 5/8th), putting Ult Lae into the same SP bracket that Akekuri/Alesh/Avywenna/Estella are in

daring dove
teal pawn
#

I gave in to my inner big numbers....

#

Gonna have to gamble Yvonne's weapon it seems PerliDerp

drifting quest
#

wedgeless?

teal pawn
#

Yeah PerliWheeze

drifting quest
#

sad

#

prob still a navigator angle

dry kindle
#

just 1 pull sig because wedge and navi look fuckin ass

valid palm
#

in-game and Prydwen don't say what Lae's Ult Stagger is xBoo xHoo

teal pawn
#

at least my physical team gonna go hard

valid palm
#

I'm going to put in her regular stagger as a placeholder but I can't confirm it yet

#

Also, putting in Lae's Ultimate damage immediately fucked the color grading on the chart 💀

#

how the hell do I set this shit to median instead of mean lmfao

#

Fuck it, I'm just going to exclude it from the Conditional Formatting range entirely and then manually color it green thatsright

#

Bitch so broken she fucked my sheet

opaque geyser
#

hello

potent hornet
#

hello

ocean hawk
#

yep, I'm done building my phys team

#

I just got bearer on 1 multi pull

#

with clan and another jet dupe

summer flower
#

ehhh how do i get corrosion while not trying when using flurorite?

#

i was trying to get solidification

#

BS ?

mossy mulch
#

How do I artific my last rite armor

winged delta
#

Not all pieces can have higher odds

summer flower
#

ohh okay yea now i get it

#

its delayed compared to slow

winged delta
#

So either wait for new gear to release and hope they fit, or take the standard odds

summer flower
#

slow starts from start, it explodes later and then inflicts nature

valid palm
# dry kindle

(just got around to these)

Jesus christ. If these numbers are correct, then LR has a 3.75 second SP refund on her Final Strike. Even Snowshine and Catcher, the highest on the sheet, only reach 2.975 - not even breaking 3 seconds. It's so high that I kind of want a second source just to make sure, but looking at the numbers it (somehow) seems legit. The numbers are clean and line up well, and are consistent with the common fractions and increments everybody else uses. And converted into SP, that's 28.8(4615etc.), which isn't too far off from the previously accepted '30' for her.

#

(Funnily enough, that still only barely puts her higher than Lifeng in SP per second, even with her animation cancels lol)

summer flower
#

arent SP taken by eyeballing?

#

also i was unable to do that anim cancel on ember

#

ohh you doing it with gear changes?

#

mfw when enemy gets bursted down and i dunno why

valid palm
#

So unfortunately I can't tell you exactly what the setup is for the animation cancels

valid palm
long kite
#

Last Rite's normal attack string is pretty long before dash cancels

valid palm
#

aye, probably contributes to why her SP gen is even higher than the other Greatsword users

valid palm
#

I'm more curious to find out what Ember's true SP gen is, since unlike Snowshine/Catcher and Last Rite, she doesn't have built-in SP refund and I would expect that her SP is partially weighted based on that

potent hornet
#

the essence hunt is almost over

#

just need sundered prince and jet for my current 6* weapons

gritty olive
potent hornet
#

don't know if this is common knowledge

#

but pretty interesting

summer flower
#

if you get max its at least one sp bar worth of it

#

right?

potent hornet
#

time slows/stops due to dodges and ults only effect enemies and that debuffs/stacks they have

summer flower
#

kay, so i'm messing around with fluroite dps after getting trim with ember in team

potent hornet
#

AKA you can extent the time debuffs/stacks are on enemies with enough dodges/ult spam

valid palm
summer flower
#

so far cycle is estella x2 then fluroite combo, into flurorite skill

summer flower
#

isnt it same as regular? if not in tooltip?

dry kindle
#

12 on endaxis

heady shale
#

40% DMG Bonus vs. Staggered

Is there a catch to this? DMG% by any chance is kinda occupied already?

rare zodiac
#

It’s still on dmg% bracket, just different conditions

drifting quest
#

requires stagger which isnt consistent
dmg% is super diluted in general for most units

heady shale
#

prolly same idea than ATK% vs. DMG% on Food then right

#

I kinda draw my conclusion over that way that this seems off

#

would have surprised me cuz I saw no one talk about this kit

drifting quest
#

the more you stack of one stat type the more you need of that stat to match another stat

heady shale
#

hmm

drifting quest
#

if you have 100% damage% already, and get 50% more
you would get the same final buff amount by increasing attack% from 0 > 25% instead.

if you have 200% damage% already, and get 50% more
you would only need 0 > ~17% attack% to match the final buff amount

heady shale
#

ye I think I got it, basically its additive

#

so when there is a ton of DMG% already 40% aint that good anymore huh

rare zodiac
#

That about right

potent hornet
#

until you use ginsing meat stew

heady shale
#

coming from a game where Potency Multipliers were well, multiplicative. Hence why 40% made me jump but it seemed I got the right idea on why its a trap here

#

Came there wondering if wanna play 4/3 Swordmancer on my Chen or have one Bonekrusha Piece equipped. I see people often bring up Chest Plate for Ult but I am also running on Sundering Steel P2 rather than Spirant or Rapid Ascent...

#

I guess it boils down on how huge 26 Arts Intensity is

#

Unlike DMG% where I got the right idea that something's off, I got like no sense for that stat lol

rare zodiac
#

Chen have no use for AI

drifting quest
#

currently chen off piece depends on the team

#

and gear to an extent

valid palm
drifting quest
#

most teams are x4 swordmancer right now

valid palm
#

It's listed as 'Imbalance' for me in the "Judgement System" section om

wanton notch
heady shale
#

If Chen wouldn't benefit from AI, any reason why she had be played on 4 piece in the first place? Perhaps some effect I am missing?

dry kindle
#

Ai buffs lift stagger and damage

rare zodiac
#

It does??

dry kindle
#

🗿

heady shale
summer flower
#

made gear for flurorite, she couldnt wear them yet :c

heady shale
dry kindle
#

Chen ult wants to line up with lifeng combo so the charge is whatever

heady shale
#

Actually I was gonna build /w Lifeng in mind so good call

#

I been running Endmin / Ardelia / Chen / Akekuri and uhh... fixing it now after I fail Boss Trimms by a few seconds.

First step done today by fixing Armor Sets on Endmin and Chen; the next will be to replace Ardelia and Akekuri with Lifeng and Pog probably

#

I got Pog from New Horizons Pity and Selector unused so... I heard about Endmin / Chen / Akekuri / Pog and will experiment with it. But if that not does anything then uhh

dry kindle
#

Check pins

heady shale
#

Yeah I saw the 4 piece Swordmancer on Iana's Guide which is why I digged into the details. Thanks for all the insights thunda_heart

frozen tide
#

swordmancer my beloved

dry kindle
#

Swordmancer Gilberta

frozen tide
#

its decent i heard

#

weirdly makes sense

#

since it has some arts int

#

and will add periodic dmg

scenic radish
#

Considering starting artificing Axywenna, got Bonecrusha on all parts but gloves (Yinglung). Should I prioritize battle skill damage % even though I can only get standard match on them?

#

Or will I be better served pumping main stat?

frozen tide
#

main attribute and dmg percent are both high priority

#

should prioritize before support artificing

scenic radish
#

Alright, just might hit pity a few times lol

frozen tide
#

yeah

#

artificing is tough

#

so close yet so far

potent hornet
#

losing the 50/50 sucks

frozen tide
#

lost the 50 50 to laev

#

kekw

#

never gonna play her

scenic radish
#

Such is artificing life. Good thing I have tons of gears left

frozen tide
#

rip

summer flower
#

found use case for arts burts

west moon
west moon
# frozen tide

First time in my life I got what I wanted without having to rely on guarantee

frozen tide
#

good for you brohamster

west moon
#

There goes my generational luck ig 😭

summer flower
#

so... yea.... i think flurorite wants to just spam her skill

scenic radish
#

it'll keep happening but even if I run out of artifices I can slowly work on them

summer flower
#

like pernament slow, pernament nature infliction

rare zodiac
#

Well at least we can see the goal at the end of the tunnel

#

genshin/Hsr artifacts on the other hand…..

summer flower
#

dorrito doesnt have ads right?

frigid vector
#

triaggelos is the add fight if that's what you mean despairge

#

either bruteforce skip adds with loaded potentials or get forced to deal with at least 1 wave

frozen tide
#

What is add fight

drifting quest
#

add(itional enemies)

frozen tide
#

These acronyms are getting ridiculous

drifting quest
#

adds is like

#

decades old atp

frigid vector
#

i'm just old man

#

ye

#

MMO days

drifting quest
#

it started in like

#

8bit rpgs

#

😭

frozen tide
#

Grandad we gotta get you some rest

drifting quest
#

you gotta get into retro gaming

#

go play final fantasy's or something

#

they're like late 80's for the first few

summer flower
#

ohh okay, i'll check on rhogadan then

frigid vector
#

my childhood was playing FF4 on SNES emulators with a pentium 2 PC

#

good old days

summer flower
#

i was playing pokemon on phone in school

lost raft
signal sundial
#

am i doing this right PerliWheeze

burnt hull
#

does fps affect re-crisis boss speed

#

err im not sure how to word it 🤔

proud vector
#

t-theoretically if its very low...?

burnt hull
#

cuz lowk my lavacake is maxxed and my rotations are nearly perfect 😂

burnt hull
#

🥺

scenic radish
#

even if I'm failing 20 tries with good match I will take this any day over the gracha that is mihoyo

proud vector
#

no i mean like if its hyper chugging it could be wacky, but even then idk how the game handles low fps

scenic radish
#

give me that sweet sweet pity

proud vector
#

30 shouldn't be an issue in theory.....

burnt hull
burnt hull
#

err

restive crescent
#

is input throttled by fps

scenic radish
#

I'll take it for a guarantee

burnt hull
#

dooed

#

doomed

restive crescent
#

if so then gg