theorycrafting

[summer flower]

we dont have that yet

[craggy pond]

that's the main reason why gilberta can mess with surtr for example

it's not that we can't just turn it into combustion, but she wants heat infliction not combustion

[summer flower]

which is irrevelant for nature

so far

[drifting quest]

nature itself is irrelevant as a dps source

fluorite dps is not good

[craggy pond]

i mean rn we don't have a nature dps that's built on consuming nature inflictions so

[drifting quest]

and before people start posting the trims this is obviously relative

id hope atp i dont have to say it every single time in the theorycrafting channel

but i of course do

[potent hornet]

don't know if its the same for everyone but stanza is on the arsenal shop for like 420 currency

that just got me my p5 stanza

[modest thorn]

lol same i bought that too

had to spend 8 origeometry tho 🥀

[summer flower]

wait

i dont see sundered?

Asia?

[modest thorn]

yes

[summer flower]

ehh...

now its harder choice

its two times purchase

[edgy crater]

yesterday stanza, now sundering

[summer flower]

for me its today tommorow

and its hard question then

[modest thorn]

who uses sundering?

[edgy crater]

buy both

[edgy crater]

chen?

[craggy pond]

chen

[summer flower]

chen

[craggy pond]

it's already better than her sig p0 at like p4 iirc

[valid zealot]

[modest thorn]

oh gotcha

[potent hornet]

oh i'm US

[modest thorn]

who theoretically has the lowest damage with the best possible build

[potent hornet]

i think i'm a day behind on the shop

[tranquil burrow]

what are the breakpoints for akekuri and wulfguard P5 ult gain eff?

[summer flower]

asia is earlier

ohh

response unneccesary nvm

[potent hornet]

yea

lol its fine

[amber vapor]

Ember?

[summer flower]

ehh?

ember whole kit deals dmg

[potent hornet]

xaihi?

[summer flower]

so i dont think so?

Xaihi self amps so not sure?

snowshine?

[daring dove]

Btw, is it possible to be Authority level 57 right now without using Origeometry to sanity fresh?

[potent hornet]

she only has one dmg skill

the combo skill is ok i guess

but it takes forever to go off if she is just running on her own

[edgy crater]

no, need to be rock eater

[daring dove]

I'm less than 56 an a half, an I have seen seen players 57 already. I'm getting their Sanity refreshing a lot?

I'm usually doing an extra 80 sanity a day since it only costs 2 Origeometry.

But these guys must be going hard.

[amber vapor]

I'm 53 rn and I haven't completed all of the sideqeusts and have missed a few days of dailies and sanity usage

[summer flower]

55, some pots still not used

also missing first clear on many of index stuff

[outer ermine]

did u use ur pots yet, im halfway to 57 and

[summer flower]

ohh, also chests

they give exp right?

[daring dove]

Looks like you've cleared out all the zones

[outer ermine]

yea

[daring dove]

Maybe that's the difference.

[outer ermine]

i still have like 40 chest in city

place is cancer w quest locked shit cba

1hr playtime aday going to rhod is also not helping

[modest thorn]

i rage spent all my sanity today trying to get clannibal's essence

(didn't get it)

[chilly bolt]

Wait those give player exp?

[daring dove]

I have nearly finished them all now. That's literally all I have left rn.

[summer flower]

think so

[summer flower]

ohh no, you didnt even finish all quests?

[bitter cove]

56 max no op used, missing 1 daily

[summer flower]

NOT FINISHING TRIPOD CENTRAL?? REEEEEEEEEE

[chilly bolt]

I just hit 56, also 100% the chests and from day 1

[summer flower]

is tower defense giving player exp as well?

[daring dove]

I'll get to them all eventually.

Pacing myself so I don't run out of content too early.

Mint picking hasn't taken me yet.

[drifting quest]

other than xaihi talent and perlica p4 does anyone remember any of the bad english localizations still in game

im going to write the support ticket soon and wanted to get as many as possible

[outer ermine]

pls drip market hg

my sanity needs to go somewhere

[summer flower]

someone was talking about one wiht vunl, but it wasnt bad for me

also what talent is bad in xaihi?

[outer ermine]

something something dmg taken

[summer flower]

and perlica? p4?

is that bad even?

[chilly bolt]

Gil p1 ?

[drifting quest]

perlica p4 incorrectly says it increases combo electrification duration, when it increases it to level 2 (12>16% or x1.33)

xaihi talent incorrectly says it causes increased damage dealt when it is increased damage taken

[valid zealot]

The P1 Gilberta incident.

[chilly bolt]

I remember seeing someone rant about p1 Gil or something

[summer flower]

okay, xaihi different behaviour

makes sense

perlica i cannot read your mesage, increases it to levl two?

[drifting quest]

whats up with gilb p1

seems pretty generic

unless the radius increase is wrong

[chilly bolt]

The aoe increase was not correct

[drifting quest]

whats the correct value

[chilly bolt]

Lemme find the thing

[summer flower]

guys you sure effect is incorrect?

is effect by center or by end of hitbox?

[summer flower]

that's difference of radius from center of enemy to hitbox

do we have korean text?

[chilly bolt]

It was the area that got buffed, not the radius

[valid zealot]

Something something not 20% more radius but 20% more area.

[summer flower]

how it was measured?

[chilly bolt]

Classic hg in game text

[valid zealot]

Which is kinda subjective? since last time I checked they didn't have a proper comparison.

[summer flower]

Cause if its not radius then why not mentioned radius

[drifting quest]

if it says 20% more radius it should be 20% more radius

it is not

hence it is misleading

which is bad

[summer flower]

how it was measured

man, i dont think game is storing area for implementing area of effect

it probably uses radius internally

[chilly bolt]

It could be just a translation error

[summer flower]

so it doesnt seems to be datamined

[quasi quarry]

I don't know I'd like to see a proper video explanation before I'd believe this personally

[summer flower]

i dont think its likely game is using area as ingame value to decide how big it should be

[weak meteor]

fixed base attack part

[drifting quest]

there was another thing

minor typo

i can try refind it

oh yeah base attack is a bit misleading

that wasnt the typo

but an extra mention

[chilly bolt]

Bro is about to milk hg 1000 hh tickets

[drifting quest]

base damage might be a bit cleaner to understand

[valid zealot]

Base attack and basic total like wth man

[summer flower]

they giving out tickets for that?

[valid zealot]

Hopege.

[weak meteor]

its clear enough if you passed highschool

[summer flower]

or do you mean he is going to throw tickets at them

base attack in where?

people had issues with gilb p2

but i'm like, it clear i dunno what's issue

[tight haven]

W

lets get it

[drifting quest]

im adding gilb p1 to the ticket

[outer ermine]

yea i like that guy, go get em korean guy

[drifting quest]

gilb p1
perlica p4
xaihi talent

[tight haven]

i have p5

thats like

[valid zealot]

"作用范围"

[tight haven]

3 p1 gilbs

i should get 3x the comp

👍

[drifting quest]

full refund on gilb banner lets go

[valid zealot]

Which is "effect range" but well

What is range

[tight haven]

imo her p1 should be buffed anyway

[summer flower]

guys

[tight haven]

its so bad of a pot lol

[summer flower]

is that even true?

[drifting quest]

id prefer it gets buffed than we get refunds

[tight haven]

it should affect bskill and ult

[summer flower]

or we taking word for complete truth?

[outer ermine]

both, they should do both

[tight haven]

they should give me

[summer flower]

do we have someone with p1 gilb to test it?

[tight haven]

1 billion beryls

[drifting quest]

plenty of people have p1 gilb

[valid zealot]

You miss every shot you don't take.

[summer flower]

where would be good place to measure?

[tight haven]

actually

good idea

i should make a #1461653979862925498 post

anyone have a p0 gilb

[drifting quest]

oh

[dry kindle]

Its a mis tl

[summer flower]

i have

[drifting quest]

i should use that instead of cs ticket i guess

[dry kindle]

战技秘杖·引力模式的作用范围

[valid zealot]

So it's a scam.

[summer flower]

where we can measure correctly range?

[tight haven]

actually shuo you do it

[drifting quest]

im doing one for all the current localization issues (perlica p4, xaihi talent, gilb p1)

if you want to avoid writing

[tight haven]

i dont have pc access rn

[drifting quest]

im just trying to find what other ones still exist

[tight haven]

you got like

p2 gilb

[drifting quest]

id rather do all at once than a ton of individual ones

p2 gilb got fixed no?

[tight haven]

yes

[weak meteor]

also Σ means everything added together so yeah its additive

[summer flower]

its about p1

[tight haven]

i mean for the p1 test

im on mobile the proportions will skew how visible it is

[weak meteor]

epic maths symbol im going sleep

[summer flower]

wait

i'm on mobile

[drifting quest]

yeah i have p2

[summer flower]

will proportions skew it?

i dont think it's affecting stuff

[drifting quest]

let me see if i can get a vertical view

[summer flower]

we need to have good marking for ground

[daring dove]

For some reason I seen a lot of people on YouTube chasing P1 an stopping there.... I was honestly in confusion why. For me she's either P0/P2 or P5.

Her P5 isn't that good, but it at least has value in terms of how quickly / easily you can stack lift & maintain sig uptime.

[summer flower]

wait, i can farm XP out of mobs?

[tight haven]

yeah her only real pots are p2 and p4

you can yes

[summer flower]

O.O

okay, i thought its just quests

[drifting quest]

cant really tell which one is the right one

based on vfx

[valid zealot]

Shouldn't you be doing it on enemies.

[chilly bolt]

Try standing next to tp point

That thing has a circle

For comparison

[drifting quest]

Wont change much I need to test which vfx is the edge

[summer flower]

how they are placed?

[drifting quest]

Right next to each other

No gaps

[frozen tide]

good to hear since i can hardly even get p0

[summer flower]

how far you were away from them?

[daring dove]

To be fair though why that Korean dude makes a good point, if you potential says 20% increased radius it should be 20% increased. It does sound a lot like buyers remorse as well. Dude spent 240 pulls for P1 only to find out it's mid.

[drifting quest]

Grabbing food, will show in a second

[daring dove]

He should of known it was mid going in.

[stiff eagle]

Wait what is it

[outer ermine]

damn thats hilarious actually

[stiff eagle]

20% increased area?

[craggy pond]

wait so if it's not the radius then what actually increased by 1.2

[frozen tide]

20 percent increased area would be troll af

[summer flower]

@drifting quest

[drifting quest]

I can probably work with that

[valid zealot]

Go find the stationary worm.

[drifting quest]

Ill have to zoom in on pc

[valid zealot]

Line up yourself with smth.

[summer flower]

i choose spot that's has markings

maybe would been better if i werent on diagnoal line, can look for better spot if you need it @drifting quest or you find one and then i'll try to reproduce

[drifting quest]

if you can try again with the skill in front of the pylons itd help

rough distance

[summer flower]

which place is it?

[modest thorn]

is it ability or ult

[tight haven]

bskill

[modest thorn]

gotcha

realistically would we get any compensation?

[summer flower]

can i get distance marking somewhat?

[dry kindle]

ProbablyTM

[modest thorn]

only p1 gilbbers right

[craggy pond]

i mean if it becomes a case of false advertisement we probably will

[dry kindle]

Eng mistranslation strikes again

[frozen tide]

already such cases with like perli pot

[daring dove]

Realistically it's be drastically cheaper for them to just increase it to be radius as originally sold an then give everyone a 10 pull. Otherwise things get messy.

[dry kindle]

Isnt perli pot just bugged

[daring dove]

If it's true.

[modest thorn]

oh true

[drifting quest]

no it works as intended

[frozen tide]

no its only english

[modest thorn]

hopefully they do some crazy compensation for p1 gilberta havers

[craggy pond]

the real question is how far this will really go or if they'll just let it die down

[drifting quest]

it just isnt translated right

[modest thorn]

the range increase isn't useful enough

[dry kindle]

😍

[frozen tide]

🔥

[drifting quest]

p4 increases the electrification to level 2 (12>16%)

[frozen tide]

whenever there is confusing or controversial wording

[drifting quest]

it just says the duration not the effect is increased by x1.33

[frozen tide]

i check kr ver

and it all becomes so clear

effect increased by 1.33 by itself is alr weird imo

the wording

[craggy pond]

they should've said increase it by 1 level

[frozen tide]

just say it increases electrification level

yeah

[summer flower]

by one level doesnt mean anything clear

also does it do it?

[drifting quest]

they shouldnt use level because its ambiguous

x1.33 is good

[dry kindle]

Yeah uh that requires people knowing force inflict without stacks is lv1

[craggy pond]

or idk just say the specific percentage

[drifting quest]

it just needs to say the effect is x1.33 not the duration

[summer flower]

1.33 is same as 33%

[craggy pond]

i mean the specific percentage of the effect post buff

[frozen tide]

its technically 1.333333333333333333333...

[craggy pond]

like 16%

because it's not actually 1.33

[frozen tide]

but yeah just say increases base electrification from 12 percent to 16 percent

w clarity

[summer flower]

Isn't base changed with level?

[craggy pond]

forced

lvl 1

that only applies to natural reactions

[valid zealot]

Then again ppl will mistaken it for being fixed 16%.

[thorn shore]

guys big news i finally got my int atk twilight essence

[summer flower]

And sadly i know some people won't understand procentage points

[drifting quest]

ok so like

[thorn shore]

i finally trimmed the medals with laev gil antal wulf

[drifting quest]

i have no idea how to differentiate between 20% area and 20% radius

lmao

in a fair way

[craggy pond]

i mean not really though since the game makes it clear that it can increase with arts intensity

[thorn shore]

like u dont know the diff or dont know how to test it

[drifting quest]

the latter

[frozen tide]

20 percent radius would mean same thing as 20 percent diameter

[craggy pond]

that's basically like saying people mistake anything involving arts intensity is fixed

[drifting quest]

i know the math yes

[frozen tide]

just calculate diameter and see what the ratio is

[craggy pond]

it's just not

[drifting quest]

i dont know how to convert the visual

to objective fact

[summer flower]

If you can judge how wide

[frozen tide]

just measure the length

[summer flower]

We gonna know

[frozen tide]

in ratio of zoom and everything

[drifting quest]

measure how

[summer flower]

Its Bskill right?

[thorn shore]

yeah kinda hard i dont think there is any visual indicator you somehow have to measure

[frozen tide]

the longest 2 points

should be diameter

[summer flower]

Yea

Most left most right

[drifting quest]

real cm? a ruler on my screen?
pixels? with what app
what orientation to i measure from

how do i know that it isnt just the vfx

[summer flower]

AIC stuff Has grid

[frozen tide]

does not matter percent is percent

[summer flower]

Assumption vfx scales

[drifting quest]

it does matter though

[craggy pond]

probably just a ruler tbh but the more difficult challenge is figure out the "edge" of the skill

[thorn shore]

yeah lets get 2 perfectly positioned enemies in my aic

[valid zealot]

Find the immobile worm and start blasting.

[frozen tide]

not for radius/diameter percent

as long as you have a unified metric you use for both

[thorn shore]

the hard part is also gil bskill is fixed center on an enemy

[summer flower]

Base building stuff is grid based

[thorn shore]

so you need enemy in mid enemy on left or right

[summer flower]

So we have way to have distance measuring using that

[drifting quest]

i need 3-5 enemies in fixed positions

[frozen tide]

if the metric is consistent it doesnt matter for diameter/radius

only matters for area

[drifting quest]

at different distances apart

[frozen tide]

area is fucked with metrics

[thorn shore]

the umbral monument could work

[drifting quest]

umbral is a good call

[thorn shore]

idk how far they are tho

[drifting quest]

umbral 2

brb

[summer flower]

Okay, gonna go there

[valid zealot]

Aren't the sucking zone circular.

[drifting quest]

yes

[valid zealot]

So testing one one single enemy is fine

[drifting quest]

or spherical, more likely

[valid zealot]

Spherical is eh...

[summer flower]

with lock

[drifting quest]

how am i going to test where the actual suck zone begins

[valid zealot]

[drifting quest]

on 1 enemy

when it will always center itself on that 1 enemy

[valid zealot]

So she dash toward it?

[drifting quest]

gilb skill locks onto an enemy

[thorn shore]

ember knock it away??

[frozen tide]

does it interact with ground items

[drifting quest]

and makes the pull zone centered on that

[thorn shore]

gilb then as it casts ember them 5 miles away

[frozen tide]

like items on the floor

[drifting quest]

idts

[frozen tide]

hmm

[summer flower]

can we get someone to check items theory?

[drifting quest]

my p1 gilb pulls all 4 umbral enemies

[summer flower]

cause that could be prepared

[drifting quest]

i can test items

[summer flower]

going to umbral

[drifting quest]

i picked the far right one but any should work

[chilly bolt]

Water surface?

[summer flower]

its skill or ultimate?

[valid zealot]

Like, there is no way the suck zone radius is longer than target locking radius right.

[drifting quest]

yeah items do nothing

skill

[frozen tide]

i cant help but to wonder

if theres a better way to test all this

[summer flower]

p0 ultimate sucks all 4

[valid zealot]

I don't have Gilb.

[drifting quest]

what about skill

[valid zealot]

[summer flower]

died lemme reset

ohh its BS pot okay

[thorn shore]

whats the gil pull radius supposed to be at base

[summer flower]

my bad

[thorn shore]

anyone even know that

[valid zealot]

Says, if enemy is distance away but in target lock radius, does she dash toward it when using skill.

[summer flower]

all 4

[thorn shore]

shes ranged

just casts it

[drifting quest]

does not proc

unless it can hit

[frozen tide]

gilb vs zhuang fangyi cinematic trailer when

[thorn shore]

zhuang fangyi so far but so close

forever in my heart

until i see the next baddie

[summer flower]

items dont move

is there somewhere where mobs spawn in line ?

[frozen tide]

zhuangs design is so gorgeous until..

you get to the bottom half

looks like a leek deadass

her electro form is also kinda ugly

[thorn shore]

anyone worthy of zhuang can look past her horrible wardrobe preferences

[frozen tide]

they need to give her a skin asap

[thorn shore]

i just hope she can turn into the pikachu mode like the cutscene

if she cant i might skip

[valid zealot]

Does her skill need to pull in in order to deal damage.

[thorn shore]

it just explodes after a while

the explosion is what deals the nature inflic

[drifting quest]

can someone send p0 vfx video of it on any enemy

[summer flower]

which enemy

[drifting quest]

any

[lean trellis]

ok the #help channel is confusing me on this. so attribute atk% is multiplicative with Weapon atk% is this correct? if it is correct, where does consumable atk% go and consumable flat atk go in the formula?

[valid zealot]

Does enemy on the outer layer of the skill take damage or only in the middle.

[summer flower]

got something good

[thorn shore]

well if theyre on the outer layer they would be sucked in no?

idk

[drifting quest]

Attack Power = [(Operator Base Attack + Weapon Base Attack) * (1 + Percentage Bonus) + [Fixed Value Bonus] * (1 + Attribute Bonus)

percentage bonus is all your external attack%: weapons, consumables, etc

fixed bonus is flat atk (e.g. ginseng)

att bonus is stats

[thorn shore]

ive never paid that much attention to the skill

[summer flower]

A bit long

[valid zealot]

There are static enemies.

Like the spitting worm in valley.

[summer flower]

And you need to wait there

[valid zealot]

I want to test on them since they don't move -> easier to line your distance.

[lean trellis]

THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE. someone in the other channel tried to tell me to ADD the weapon atk PERCENTAGE to the operators BASE ATK. HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE MATHEMATICAL SENSE?

[summer flower]

Yea... Here i have ground markings

And it happens when it moves to range

[edgy crater]

if its static, why dont used archers from stage 2 umbral

[summer flower]

It gets 4

No matter pot

[valid zealot]

Because archers can be pulled.

The worms do not.

[edgy crater]

last wave being 3 worm

[summer flower]

They close enough

[valid zealot]

There're plenty on the map.

[summer flower]

Okay, i was asked for any enemy

[edgy crater]

guess so

[summer flower]

I choose one that would be reproductible

Markings for placement, skill spam so it happens when it comes to range

[balmy jay]

[valid zealot]

Yes.

Finally.

[thorn shore]

the boss was on the edge and it still hit, it can least go a bit out of the direct middle orb

[valid zealot]

[edgy crater]

protocol space mobs?

[thorn shore]

id guess its the entire suck range tho

[drifting quest]

so like

[thorn shore]

or maybe a bit smaller

[drifting quest]

the vfx doesnt seem to be expanded

which is going to make this so much harder to test

[summer flower]

Okay...

Can you try to reproduce my last vid?

[frozen tide]

test it on rhod or smth

[drifting quest]

i just did

[frozen tide]

when he slams

dash away

just enough

[drifting quest]

vfx goes to the same spot

[frozen tide]

to where it dont reach

[drifting quest]

(~halfway point of the road)

[frozen tide]

with p0

[thorn shore]

how did the original guy even figure this out? is he just basing it off the chinese translation saying area?

[daring dove]

That just seems to be targeting range nothing to do with P1 buff.

[summer flower]

Okay, did you damage rest of group?

[summer flower]

Reproductiblity

[frozen tide]

which would be reasonable since en translations have a record of being straight wrong

[drifting quest]

they aggrod into the range

[summer flower]

Okay... Can you see first moment they get damaged? Compared to how far they went in mine without being hit?

[granite marten]

tide surge is LR best set?

[valid zealot]

Tunneling Nidwyrm

[drifting quest]

vfx at least

[summer flower]

You didnt reproduced setup

[drifting quest]

i know

this is a new test

[summer flower]

Okay, gonna see on my side vfx

[drifting quest]

would be it for where you skilled

[granite marten]

i assume frontier off piece for ult dmg?

[summer flower]

idea was to try to get consistent dog hit

so to see if i hit any of rest if not which one p1 hits

[drifting quest]

we care about the suction zone size not the operators range though

[summer flower]

yea, operator range is for getting placement correct

[valid zealot]

Are we measuring dog speed sooner or later.

[summer flower]

anyone got gil p1 able to try reproduce my setup from here?

[valid zealot]

Can u do on worm.

[summer flower]

which worm

[valid zealot]

Tunneling Nidwyrm

[summer flower]

you need 2 worms

no you need more than 2 worms

[valid zealot]

Nah just one worm.

Keep going a few steps back and skill spam till it barely gets out of range.

[summer flower]

i hear VFX is same

[valid zealot]

Man if only I had Gilb.

[summer flower]

skill range is different than dmg range

[valid zealot]

[summer flower]

we arent measuring skill range

[valid zealot]

Oh.

That's

Suck

[summer flower]

anyway, had fun, topic to go back to

[boreal parcel]

is there a reason why ppl prefer to run xiranite armor on gilberta instead of a ult gain armor?

[bronze plume]

hello

[bronze plume]

set bonus

[boreal parcel]

she already has set bonus with the 3 other pieces tho

[bronze plume]

oh

then

more ult gain

doesnt it give ult gain

[drifting quest]

depends on her team

[bronze plume]

or is it arts

[boreal parcel]

nope

its arts

[bronze plume]

if you have her weapon imo theres no need for ult gain armor

shes ult maxxing

[drifting quest]

what team are you using her on

[boreal parcel]

either surtr or yvonne

[craggy pond]

the original argument for xiranite armor was extra dmg as the corrosion ticks down but it's barely noticeable to me

it's really just personal preference

plus if you do stanza then the ult gain armor actually matters somewhat

[drifting quest]

then you run hot work power cartridge on 1 of the kit slots

see iana doc for double confirmation if you dont trust me

or well

yvonne team is the one running 4 xiranite i think

gear there depends on sig or no sig

there's an ult gain breakpoint listed anyway

hit it first then go for arts intensity after

[valid zealot]

what if i dont trust iana

[drifting quest]

go do the tc yourself

[boreal parcel]

even surtr team she running 4 xira

[bronze plume]

i mean in ainas doc both surtr and yvonne team gilberta runs 4pc

[frozen tide]

if you alr hit bp more is excessive

[drifting quest]

same ult breakpoint then

[frozen tide]

if you run her sig a lot of times you dont need 4x ult gear

[drifting quest]

i might be thinking of lr and elec

for power cart

[frozen tide]

if you run stanza you usually need more help with ult

[bronze plume]

just use 4pc ult gain if stanza

dont run 4pc if sig

[boreal parcel]

seems so

[bronze plume]

its that simple

[frozen tide]

also depends on artificing too probs

[bronze plume]

i mean

[craggy pond]

oh this is gilberta i thought ardelia for some reason

[bronze plume]

if you going to use the op youre going to artifice there important armour stats so who cares about that

[craggy pond]

tho it's kinda the same argument anyway

[frozen tide]

Its rly not

[bronze plume]

i mean less so cuz ardelia cant get ult gain from her weapon

[frozen tide]

Gilb ult is most of her value

Ard ult is like

There for emotional support

[bronze plume]

and her ult is just

more sheep

[craggy pond]

that's why i mentioned stanza

[rare zodiac]

Arde ult is luxury at best

[bronze plume]

granted shes going to use xiranite anyway

[craggy pond]

because without stanza it really doesn't matter much

[rare zodiac]

Well more rng heal and stagger is very welcoming

[frozen tide]

I would not be trynna make ard ult match stanza uptime

Whats her ult requirement again

[craggy pond]

it's just qol anyway

[craggy pond]

technically she already hit it but i think there's another one which lets it comes up like 1 bs sooner

[frozen tide]

Well with starry you can very easily get full uptime

[craggy pond]

idr the exact number

[bronze plume]

all i know is ardelia deserves the best therefore M12 her 0 bias btw

[rare zodiac]

Best i can do is m3 skill, take it or leave it

[valid zealot]

Do Arde solo.

[frigid vector]

Ardelia's n1 fan living up to expectations

[bronze plume]

i dont waste time on shit like that, that gets me nothing in return

[frozen tide]

Other than ardelia's unwavering loyalty and love

She's gonna show up in your dreams if you do ard solo trims trust

[bronze plume]

i can just get the wife to cosplay her its that shrimple

[rare zodiac]

If it is true then i am folded

[frozen tide]

😭

[valid zealot]

[frozen tide]

Is ur wife chill w cosplaying as video game chicks

[valid zealot]

Is it possible to learn this power.

[frozen tide]

Living the life

[valid zealot]

[bronze plume]

i mean yeah she was a cosplayer before i started dating her

[valid zealot]

[frozen tide]

Kill this man rn

[frozen tide]

I do fw the nature support designs

[frozen tide]

I would take a bullet for gilberta

[bronze plume]

i fuck wit the nature dps designs

get it

[frozen tide]

Wouldnt for ard but shes still cute

[bronze plume]

id take a entire F130 gun barrage for ardelia

[frozen tide]

Says the mf with a cosplayer wife

Smh

[bronze plume]

id take activly expressing correct facts on twitter for 24 hours for ardelia

[frozen tide]

Damn

Maybe he serious about this ard stuff

[rare zodiac]

I am more of a Akekuri man

[frozen tide]

Chudkekuri

Thermite brick

How you gon be a whole ass endfield operator and your 120 cost ult is firing a flare gun

[bronze plume]

basically i love how even though she has the problems of losing her eye sight and hearing shes still very cheerful despite it, i love the connections she makes with other operators despite it how she can live a "normal" life, i love how dedicated she is to her job of geology and how she wants to follow in the footsteps of her parents, how despite her parents dying she can still power on even if deep down she misses them lots despite all of it shes still very cheerful and doesnt want people to think differently of her because of all of the bad things.

i also think shes very cute

i can also resonate with struggling with health problems a lot and wish i had the power like her to be happy through it all and ive lost people close to me and love how shes apple to be so happy around others despite it so in a way her personality is what i wish i could of had during it all and that is why i like adele.

[rare rover]

might just be me

i but think beef hates ardelia

[bronze plume]

:(

[rare zodiac]

Damn that deep i just like energetic girl

[frozen tide]

Beef -1 ardelia fan

[rare zodiac]

My reason is too simple

If she is smol and energetic then i am folded

[frozen tide]

I actually did not know ardelia is losing signt and hearing

She about to go back in the origin rock grinder

And come out with more of herself lost

[bronze plume]

no thats eyjafjalla

its about Eyjafjalla

but Eyja technically = Arde so

[frozen tide]

I would argue they are rather technically not

[bronze plume]

i argue

your mother

[frozen tide]

Since reconveners are far from retaining their full former self

[bronze plume]

technically yes but technically no but also yes

thats what a reconvner is

when some asks so are they the ak counterpart

oh but also no

[frozen tide]

How i see it, if you fully retain your former self but have more stuff added on ie us with our childhood you are still thag former you but with development

If you partially retain your former self but embrace yourself to be the same individual as the former self

You are in identity still the same

Don't think this is the case with laevatain ardelia and gilberta

[bronze plume]

i mean they arent the same

[frozen tide]

They retain parts of their former selves but acknowledge themselves as a new person

A different person

And thus they are only partially who they were before

Literally and in identity

[bronze plume]

its like having a identical twin

[frozen tide]

More like reincarnations

Btw do reconveners just appear fully grown

Or were they babies at some point

[bronze plume]

i think so

[frozen tide]

And do they remember more of their fragments as they age?

[bronze plume]

they are just like the cloned data of the person they are a reconvener of from the originium forest

[bronze plume]

i dont think we are that deep in the lore of it yet

hopefully down the road they get a big focus

cuz like wtf is rhodes reaction to it

[frozen tide]

Because if you are born with the full memory of your former life

[bronze plume]

and how is rhodes in the first place

[frozen tide]

You'd just by extension be the same person

[bronze plume]

i mean in laevatains story we see her seeing memories of surtr signing up to rhodes for the first time

[frozen tide]

But that's not how reconveners are portrayed

Yeah

They really are kinda just

Reincarnations

With limited former life memories

That unlock with time

[bronze plume]

that time i got reincarnated as myself, 153 year in the future on a different planet.

[frozen tide]

Ok that's like the japanese anime reincarnation

[bronze plume]

thats

the joke

[frozen tide]

I understand

Im just saying i was thinking reincarnation in this context

More like buddhism reincarnation

Japanese anime reincarnation you literally retain full memory and consciousness

And go into a babys body

You astral project into a baby

You hijack a babys brain

You take over a babys body

[craggy pond]

well or you could say it's like anime reincarnation except they get amnesia

because they're getting bits & pieces of it back over time

[frozen tide]

Sort of i suppose

[trim halo]

laevatain seeing some of surtr's memories for the first time might be a her-only thing though, the others don't seem to have similar issues

also

[frozen tide]

I like to think of it moreso as them as just new beings

With integrated fragments

Of older beings

So their core and main identity is still anew

But that's my interpretation

By no means canon

[trim halo]

does anyone know whether physical status like lift, knock down, scale off of the hit damage, or just the operator's base attack.
because I've searched and found people saying crush doesn't scale with skill level, but I also found https://www.reddit.com/r/ArknightsEndfield/comments/1qtexm6/fluorite_guide_discussion_builds_this_is_gonna_be/ which says

[Arts burst] do not scale with the number of stacks, but they do scale relative to the attack that applied them.

Art Bursts also scale (absurdly so) with Art Intensity, Art Damage up, Elemental Damage up, and can crit. They are not affected by Skill Damage increases; a battle skill amped 40% by gear doesn't apply that 40% to the Art Burst.

[frozen tide]

Wiki is pretty good to see arts int scaling with reactions

They added formulas

Reactions generally scale with reaction level(how many stacks it consumes) operator level and arts intensity

[trim halo]

it does say like "Base Multiplier: Lift and Knock Down: 120%", I'm just not sure if that's 120% of operator attack like a new 120% hit, or 120% of the hit that applied it, which could end up a lot more.

[frozen tide]

Refer to the damage formula for that

[trim halo]

oh it's the same Base Multipler, I see

[frozen tide]

Damage documentation doc was better before the revision icl

Can't even find a simple formula to share for this context

But atk does apply to reaction

And the reaction percent is same as how every other base multiplier is

[trim halo]

oh, I think I misunderstood that reddit post then

"scale relative to the attack that applied them" as in, the operator's attack stat, not the 'attack ' as in the skill's hit damage.

whoops if true

[frozen tide]

Yeah it doesn't scale with the skill multiplier

It does scale with stacks

4 vuln cashout crush is higher mult than 1 vuln

I wouldn't fully trust dmg formula from a 17 day old reddit guide about dps fluorite

[trim halo]

someone did use it to do a 84 second rhodagn trim

so some practical application, although that had a really stacked fluorite.

[dry kindle]

Idr if hidden multi is base or seperate

[frozen tide]

Hidden multi is applied to the total reaction multiplier

[craggy pond]

hidden is a separate multiplier exclusive to those

[dry kindle]

Make your minds up

[frozen tide]

Whar

Like if a reaction is 100 percent base+100 percent per staxk

[craggy pond]

it's just a separate multiplier for burst/ reaction/ phys status

[frozen tide]

And hidden is 10 percent

If you do 4 stack of that reaction

Itll be 100+400=500

500*(1+0.10)

550

[wind nebula]

there any damage calc sheets lying around or do people usually make their own? never dove that deep into these things before

[drifting quest]

most people make their own

[frozen tide]

There is no plug and play

There was attempts to vibe code a calculator

[craggy pond]

there're probably tools but i just make my own because it's more manageable

[frozen tide]

A few matter of fact

None quite worked

[wind nebula]

roger that, thanks

[frozen tide]

@dry kindle

[drifting quest]

before i go post this feedback post are there any other English Localizaiton/Translation errors I should check other than Gilb P1, Perlica P4 and Xaihi Talent

or well I might make this a support ticket after all

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[gritty olive]

should i m3 laev basic for the love of thebgame

[frozen tide]

Weapon effect description

[drifting quest]

which one

[frozen tide]

That says some variation that it doesn't stack

But it does with each other

Like khravengger

Or jet

Its not rly wrong but quite confusing

[bronze plume]

yes and then ardelia imo

no bias remember

[frozen tide]

Also for xai talent you mean ult right

[gritty olive]

im almost finished on my HW build

[drifting quest]

no i mean her talent

but i should include ult as well

[gritty olive]

literally just one more

[frozen tide]

This one was rly confusing to me

And i think other ppl shared the confusion as well

What it means is that the multiple effects the weapon has stacks

With each other

But not with itself

[summer flower]

what's full tooltip?

[drifting quest]

I cant say I am personally confused

how would you prefer it be worded

[summer flower]

with themselfs

not with each other

right? that's what i think is major indicator of behaviour

[frozen tide]

Yeah would be nice if it emphasized that it does stack with one another

Just not with itself

[summer flower]

do they ?

or do they dont

[frozen tide]

They stack with each other but not by itself

If there is effect x and y

X and y stack

[summer flower]

right now wording is correct then

[frozen tide]

But you can't stack x multiple times

[drifting quest]

e.g. Khrav has a 12% damage bonus on skill, 24% on combo
2 combos does not equate to 48% damage
but you can get 36% total by both a skill and combo

seems intuitive enough to me

[frozen tide]

Mayb

[summer flower]

its not easy tooltip when you go with only that part

but "dont stack with each other" would be correct wording if you couldnt have both effects active at same time

[drifting quest]

like i have no problem adding it if you have a clearer alternative to suggest

[summer flower]

Do you? i cannot imagine clearer way that's correct english

wait i got idea

each of them cannot stack with itself

you need to break plural

gonna look worse

not sure if its even gramatically correct

but seriosly i dont think that tooltip needs change

its like with freaking vunl +1 if not 4

[frozen tide]

The effects refresh when triggered individually but the two effects can coexist

[summer flower]

it might be harder to parse but info is there

[frozen tide]

How does this sound

[summer flower]

ohhh, refresh? ehh

[frozen tide]

Which is what it is

[summer flower]

yea... issue with that tooltip

is that's correct one

how you fix correct one without doing bad english or whatever

yea bit unclear that they do stack with each other

[potent hornet]

i mean its as clear as i could imagine it as is

[summer flower]

but that's due to plural i think

like that is correct tooltip

if you look at it trying to look for unclarity its easier to force find one

but that's based on doubt

[potent hornet]

you can have both buffs but the buffs don't have multiple stacks

[frozen tide]

That's not what i was doing

First time i read tooltip i was unsure if the two effects could coexist or not

[summer flower]

On what is that BUFF?

On sundered?

[frozen tide]

I was not actively looking for ways to interpret it a way its not

[summer flower]

Where is that tooltip

[frozen tide]

Its on a few things

Notably jet and khrav

[summer flower]

Seems correct english to me non native speaker

And it Would be wrong if behavior i was informed about was when it Would Been written "each other"

Its about expectations right?

[frozen tide]

Would've been written or would be written

Not it would been written

Unfortunate for a native english speaker to have subpar grammar

[summer flower]

I'm not native english speaker... "Non" was included

Isn't have in that sentence just like "an" or "a"?

[frozen tide]

Yes

[summer flower]

If that's same kind of reason it Would Been logical i have skipped it

XD

[frozen tide]

...me, a non-native speaker

[summer flower]

That's touch keyboard thing

"-" is way more effort

[frozen tide]

Would have been correct and excluding either "," or "a" would have been fine as long as you have one or the other in terms of clarifying the subject

[summer flower]

But it was not intentional skip rather autopilot one

[frozen tide]

I understand i misjudged the situation

[summer flower]

Yea its fine, i'm bad in grammar in my native language

So i'm like, "ohh okay, yea no, i won't gonna hold it against my english when in my native language i'm doing same"

[sly nymph]

which skills are worth investing mastery in for phys

[tight haven]

pog cskill and ult m1

lifeng bskill m3

others are pref

endmin ult is fine but you dont do it before those two

dapan cskill too ofc

[frozen tide]

Endmin ult is pretty big chonka dmg

[pure spoke]

English grammar theory crafting

[frozen tide]

Chen ult should be decent dmg increase as well

[proud vector]

hmmm
End-Axis is hard to get data from

[frozen tide]

Is perlica an anagram for replica

[proud vector]

May or may not be intentional, time will tell

Also more belongs to #lore-room

But it looks like we are working with something like 8sp/s natural regen and something in the ballpark of 5~sp/s from final strikes

quite honestly this results in like 1 skill every 7-8 seconds baseline with relatively decent uptime huh?

[pure spoke]

Shizo theory

[frozen tide]

🤔

[proud vector]

Truly we need a cyro burst vanguard, not a solidification one

the SP cost hurties

[summer flower]

probably easier if you can read chinese

[proud vector]

Yeaaah

[summer flower]

i'm like ehhh, i dont wanna use google lens for this

technically it could work but....

[proud vector]

But getting down the rule of thumb of 3 skills per 20 seconds normally is

Supremely helpful mental reference

For understanding why things be built the way they are

[summer flower]

ehhh per time?

[proud vector]

like hot diggity dog it’s not a lot of SP

Yeah it’s a bit hard to marry the SP rotation with the CD based combo skill rotation otherwise

[summer flower]

my main issue is doing chen - > chen too fast

[proud vector]

also why it kinda makes sense now that the phys guys have like 18~s combo skills

[summer flower]

and endmin is not ready with CD

:C

[proud vector]

[safe nymph]

for endmin main dps with chen pog and liefang what would be the main gear set would you all in on the arts intensity?

[frozen tide]

Check pins

[proud vector]

Check #team-build pins

[frozen tide]

Pog is quite literally all in on intensity

Others vary

[proud vector]

There is a comprehensive sheet for physical

[safe nymph]

has like 3 diff builds which is why i ask

but yeah ill look in those pins

[frozen tide]

There should only be one for pog endmin chen lifeng

Theres one for variations

[summer flower]

isnt there two for that one?

3/4/4 and 4/3/4 or something like that?

[proud vector]

Intensity only really benefits Crush and Breach well tbh

The damage of lift and knockdown are pretty trivial due to how phys inflictions scale

[safe nymph]

seems like the guide is saying the stagger set

odd

[proud vector]

Stagger is pretty good tbh

[summer flower]

tried stagger set ehhh not sure its worth it

[proud vector]

Phys is known for nuking the stagger bar

[frozen tide]

they are diff cycles for the same comp

[summer flower]

especially when chen is what % of damage?

[safe nymph]

the battle skill amp is pretty nice though

[frozen tide]

434 and 433

[summer flower]

yea different roation right? for same comp

[safe nymph]

not sure how it compares to the arts intensity as the skill is also crushing?

[proud vector]

Endmin already gets intensity from signature weapon tbh

[summer flower]

crush isnt affected by BS amp

[safe nymph]

maybe its bc of the extra hit

its recommended

no idea what the hell the calcs are

[frozen tide]

swordmancer?

[summer flower]

damage share 30% and stagger set?

[frozen tide]

swordmancer is good overall not just cause of stagger

it also has phys dmg boost pieces

and set bonus is more dmg on top of stagger

[summer flower]

+250% ATK of Physical DMG that doesnt seem much

[frozen tide]

adds up when you have it on 3

[safe nymph]

with other modifiers on top its prob a lot more than the face value 250%

[summer flower]

i'm comparing to other dmg dealing stuff on chen, so it would be same bonuses

[proud vector]

Grand vision shenadigans ensure

The swordmancer damage is dealt before grand visions phys damage steroid goes away

[frozen tide]

when you have swordmancer on lif chen and endmin

[proud vector]

Pretty cash money

[frozen tide]

the extra dmg will start to add up

[safe nymph]

thats very interesting

[summer flower]

yea, but we talking chen swordmancer

[pure spoke]

30% apparently. But in my team is more like 50%

[summer flower]

do you have swordmancer set on her?

[proud vector]

O yeah uh in that case it’s a bit more fight dependant

[summer flower]

or did you built for damage?

[proud vector]

Stagger can be overkill or PERFECTO or not enough

[frozen tide]

what else would you run on her

[pure spoke]

Just maxed out chen with the green looking set. The one which does an additional hit iirc

[summer flower]

okay, is shuo here?

i dont think they here

double slab

that's assuming investment

if not purple gear setup

[frozen tide]

🤔

[proud vector]

Double slab is good (shuo I summon thee)

[summer flower]

double slab, pieces for stats + effects on gear

[proud vector]

Regardless uh

[summer flower]

but this needs investment to be better than purple gear

[proud vector]

for Chen specifically the stagger bonus is pretty nice

[summer flower]

0 artificing purple gear

[safe nymph]

seems like both chen and endmin want sword mancer

[proud vector]

She has stagger in kit as well if she interrupts stuff and lift is boosted

[summer flower]

at 0 artiifcing if you dont need def

[frozen tide]

slab sounds weird cause its not like chen is super saturated in dmg percent and slab line one and two are useless for her

[proud vector]

If the stagger allows you to hit staggers in better places in rotation it is supremely valuable compared to a bit more damage on the side as a more dps build

[summer flower]

hmmm

[frozen tide]

ofc i havent mathed anything out actually

[proud vector]

Stagger being a 1.3 multiplicative damage buff and also like +100 SP + final strike 800% nuke

[summer flower]

wait... i need to test it then

cause you might be right

[frozen tide]

but intuitively it sounds weird

[summer flower]

due to it being best case for ember

and its willpower secondary

lemme check

[proud vector]

but no swordmaster isn’t Chen’s best damage set pretty sure…

[pure spoke]

Bruh who even runs purple set

[summer flower]

me

at 0 investment its so no thinking required

[safe nymph]

it makes me wonder though since the dmg shares are so similar between chen and endmin which is better going all in?

[frozen tide]

swordmancer kit has 30 phys agility main stat strength second

[safe nymph]

im assuming endmin bc of the future potentials

[frozen tide]

in mono phys

[summer flower]

2 slots need filling either way

[frozen tide]

you kinda invest in everyone

[summer flower]

so would not be strange that chest or gloves from swordmancer would be there

its just passive that's iffy

[frozen tide]

swordmancer kit

kit is type of gear

same as slab

slab is a kit

[summer flower]

ohh okay

[safe nymph]

for lae i just had her maxed everywhere and the rest of the team lvl 60 is phys different in this way where youd want your entire team on equal levels

[frozen tide]

laev is a hypercarry

[summer flower]

yea i'm right now at purple setup for chen

and i was using that when getting trimmed

endmin is pruple +1 slab

[pure spoke]

Trimmed solo chen?

[safe nymph]

last rite i imagine is the same way but phys is team focused over those two

[summer flower]

not solo chen

one operator swordmancer makes sense when its controlled

but two is one i'm iffy about

endmin sits at 6.4k attack

is that good?

[frozen tide]

theres no point over investing in endmin cause crush doesnt scale with his talent lvl making battle skill not worth m3ing ult does scale with talent so you can m3 that but btk is worthless to m3 and combo skill buff is also not tied to talent lvl

[pure spoke]

I tried a lot of sets and in the end it feels like using swordmancer for everyone just gives more team dps overall

Except pog

[frozen tide]

you full invest in him in the sense that you get his weapon and gear fully artificed and essenced

grand vision copies also help with output

quite a bit

[proud vector]

endmin basics are pretty good

Could be your main fielder as well

[frozen tide]

you are not convincing me to m3 endmin btk

[summer flower]

i suggest checking endmin with purple agility + slab

[safe nymph]

so lvl 9 would be a good stopping point for the phys team skills but artificing and essenses are still high priority

[proud vector]

ok fair lol

[summer flower]

would like to hear if its my skill issue

or does it make sense

[frozen tide]

you want to m1 pog bs and ult

[proud vector]

ehh purple gear….

[pure spoke]

Do a solo rhodogan kill. I wanna see the time

[safe nymph]

not m3?

[pure spoke]

Or duo with chen

[frozen tide]

as well as m3 lifeng bs

[summer flower]

i dont have m3 all stuff

[pure spoke]

Rank9 is enough tho

[frozen tide]

some talents scale rly weird with lvls his sp recovery breakpoints are at m1