theorycrafting

[potent hornet]

how much of the story are you through, all side quests done?

[tranquil burrow]

I got Laev and Gilb at 90/90, and 3 others to 80/80, also maxed out almost 3 essences. But I don't hold on to any sanity restoration items they give.

[soft osprey]

99%

[tranquil burrow]

Well 3rd essence is a bit ways off from being maxed but like 80% done

[potent hornet]

all chests and stuff collected?

[soft osprey]

i'm holding on to the ones that don't expire
sometime down the line new materials might become important

[soft osprey]

95% lol

[tranquil burrow]

I'll have more sanity by then

[north widget]

I can get her ult with 1 ebs and 3 combo skills. She ults with 4 mf so i start with ebs, followed by another one after the first final strike.

Still debating whether that extra ebs at the start of her ult is worth losing hot works, but I'm able to get close to 6k attack with this build

She doesn't get her ult faster, she just gets an extra ebs at the start

[rare zodiac]

6k atk is kinda low for 2 slab

[oak vigil]

oh my lord

HOW IS THE FIRST BOSS HARDER TO TRIM THAN SECOND ONE

[latent glacier]

Rhodagn Lv. 90 Deep Dive 120 seconds (2 minutes)
Triagelos Lv. 90 Deep Dive 240 seconds (4 minutes)
Marble Aggelomoirai Lv. 90 Deep Dive 240 seconds (4 minutes)

[outer ermine]

[latent glacier]

[outer ermine]

whel

[latent glacier]

i hate Triagelos more

[potent hornet]

who you doing it with?

[north widget]

Oh, i must have miscalculated then. Haven't built her to that level yet. How much attack is typical with 2 slabs?

[oak vigil]

Antal/Perlica/Arclight/Gilberta

[oak vigil]

||Antal main dps.||

[rare zodiac]

questionable, i would rather EBS with 100% bonus skill dmg for x2 dmg

[oak vigil]

DUDE IF I HAD P5 ARCHLIGHT, if only, it's hell doing it with her 3 enhanced skills to be in rotation buff properly instead of 2

[oak vigil]

Idea behind this while Antal is main dps, Arclight and Perlica can also be considered as sub-dps due to amount of damage buffs stacking immensely for electric damage/damage as the whole

[unreal light]

Will tangtang scale of intellect?

[potent hornet]

lol

that would be funny

[unreal light]

[dry mason]

[potent hornet]

actual genious that is in constant battle with a recessive orange cat braincell

[north widget]

Fair point, it wouldn't be x2 though since she'll have heat damage bonus from other sources and they're in the same bucket but whether 1 extra skill with ridiculous amounts of attack beats 1 less skill with a shit ton of bonus multipliers will need some more calcs. My brain is fried for the day, I shall do that tomorrow.

[unreal light]

Per each point of intellect less than 200, gains 0.3% atk

And her bis set is like intellect substat in each gear

[potent hornet]

i really wish wuling wasn't the only place you can farm forgeborne essences

[frozen tide]

the strat i found

is farming wuling to get twilight +2

then farm other substats in valley

and cooling gel +3 twilight

[potent hornet]

i'm just trying to get a perf one for laev

no luck yet

wouldn't mind a detonation unit one as well

[frozen tide]

oh you dont have one yet

rip

can you even farm deto there

[potent hornet]

err stanza i mean

yea stanza is the one that shares that point

[oak vigil]

Actually I got curious now, I’ll go calculate as the whole how many buffs are there

Before that, quick question: are attack buffs additives if of the same type? Like the effect is stacked from different sources (weapons passives as an example)

[frozen tide]

isnt stanza same 3 lines as forge

[drifting quest]

Buffs of the same type are additive

Buffs of different types are not

[potent hornet]

yea i think so

thermite cutter shares that farm

[solar pier]

is gilberta signature required for gilberta

worth spending pulls on?

[potent hornet]

it enables big dmg

[heady pine]

stanza is fine

[drifting quest]

Only used if the energy recharge is needed

[solar pier]

have 13k arsenal i never used them and i dont have laev

worth using it on the sig of gilbert?

[drifting quest]

probably not

13k isnt enough to guarantee to begin with

and we will see sigs that are a lot better

given delivery guaranteed is pretty mediocre

[oak vigil]

Okay, so:

Antal's skill (10% electric susceptibility), Gilberta's ultimate (30% arts susceptibility) = 40% arts susceptibility ||(if I understand correctly these 2 count as additive)||

Perlica's electrification from her combo with Wild Wanderer applies 19.2% electric damage to the team, Arclight's WT passive on each 3rd enhanced skill gives 30.8% electric damage to the team, OBJ Edge of Lightness gains +6% for each sp regen maximum to 3 stacks, realistically I'll mostly getting 2 sp regens in a row, so = 12% electric dmg for the entire team, Arclight's Frontiers gear bonus applies +16% damage to entire team on sp regen, Gilberta's Delivery Guaranteed gives 21.6% arts damage from her combo landed, Gilberta's Eternal Xiranite equipment set gives +16% damage dealt to the team also after ultimate which all transfers into
**=**115.6% damage buff to Antal, Arclight (only on electric damage) and Perlica, while Gilberta herself gets 53.6% damage buff

Antal from Oblivion weapon gets 33.6% arts damage after ultimate and also 16.8% arts damage after combo skill
Antal gets 35% damage dealt after each 2 arts infliction (aka each 2 combos, realistically right before stagger)

As the whole Antal gets bonus damage buff with now 2 factors above included: 201% damage buff. WIthout equipment bonus (because this is fucking agony to trigger) = 166%

[drifting quest]

better than artzy but not as good as forgeborn (for their respective limited units)

[outer ermine]

text

[oak vigil]

Is 40% susceptibility like 0.4 damage multiplier then?

[oak vigil]

Theorycrafting
looks inside
theorycrafting

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-headgehog-tails-miles-tails-doll-adovka-gif-7340839229634594397

[oak vigil]

THIS IS WITHOUT ME ESSENSING FULLY BY THE WAY (some essences are applied on weapons, I only got engraved a proper one for Antal, while others have just damage buffs upgraded with purple ones)

iirc I can crank up Perlica's damage buff from her weapon more due to getting duplicates of it

[lost void]

Hello theorcrafters, may I ask if there are laid out details for Ember?

[oak vigil]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, uno momento, need to find it if there is any

Okay I can't exactly found in chat history about that, I guess you'll need to wait for someone who built her for that (I don't have her as the whole lol)

[drifting quest]

so like

ember is just bad
you can use her if you want
but most people here who do actual tc are minmaxxers too, or at least dont have interest in tc around supports, nor forcing dps on supports
hence there's no real TC here in this server around a unit like ember (or a unit like catcher, or snowshine, etc) as a result

[lost void]

I just wanna ask if there are others who tested out other weapon options if not Sundered Prince like Exemplar

[drifting quest]

to my knowledge sundered is the only option for dps ember

you lose too much on other choices

[hushed swallow]

@drifting quest omg hi

[drifting quest]

issues with a bad unit

[drifting quest]

[lost void]

What if the weapon potential is higher?

[wind nebula]

Examplar is an option to try to push her numbers to be slightly bigger, but her primary utility is to be piloted as a source of stagger with Sundered Prince canceling her basic 4 and if you like, her basic 3 as well.

This makes it sounds like she should use swordmancer but most Ember pilots prefer Type 50 set or Lynx set with double slab

[drifting quest]

depends on potentials

damage% is just generally diluted more than atk% and hence worse

exemplar does have atk% too so can probably compete with potentials

but like ember is also a critfisher to compete so sundered crit is appreciated

[lost void]

I'm currently running T50 set with Exemplar and not sure if I go straight for Exemplar dupes or get a new Sundered Prince.

[potent hornet]

oh whacky, crit works so weird

[proud vector]

eh? It does?

[wind nebula]

I almost always choose to expand my options unless vertical investment will unlock a new team comp, play style or clear new content goals

[potent hornet]

it actually just slaps that % right ontop

[proud vector]

isn’t that normal for crit??

[potent hornet]

hell no

[proud vector]

Additive crit damage is the wild thing no?

[potent hornet]

normally if your base crit was 5%

[lost void]

I'm not sure if others play Ember more as pyro but to me she's more of a physical damager..

[potent hornet]

50% crit from that number would only pump you up to 7.5%

50% crit here is just 55% including base

[proud vector]

Moooods

[lost void]

Is there a crit damage stat already? I only see crit rate..

[potent hornet]

no

[proud vector]

Oh you talking crit rate

Sorry I was thinking you were talking crit damage lol

[potent hornet]

only yvonne has it, not a relevant stat unless we are talking about her

[proud vector]

Additive crit rates aren’t uncommon though, because some games have like 0 base crit chance

[potent hornet]

it is not a realm of gaming i'm used to

[proud vector]

And as per your example a 5% base crit chance multiplied is still smol

[hasty grail]

I actually don't know a game that does crit rate not additively

[potent hornet]

any arpg

[proud vector]

Roguelikes do it like that sometimes I think

[modest thorn]

If I get the featured unit in urgent recruitment do I still have the 120 guarantee?

[lost void]

Crit damage is kinda pointless if you don't reach a good crit rate soft cap.. around 30+%

[proud vector]

It’s a lot more common with uh

Random ish stat line stuff

Since you have weapons or characters with high innate crit chance

[potent hornet]

we need more gear sets

[warped sinew]

overall sundered is better, but with exemplar you still can manage to use ember as controlled operator

[lost void]

I actually don't have a proper team since RNG gave me a support heavy pulls and account and I just make the most of what I have. I was maining Xai, Endmin, Gilberta and Ardelia but Umbral made me switch to Ember.

She was actually the first 6 star I got but decided to postpone her promotion till lately.

[warped sinew]

i actually didnt plan on switching to ember either, and thats the reason i dont have sundered prince, cuz i got different 6* weapon back then, now im forced to use exemplar

[lost void]

How was your Ember performance using Exemplar?

[warped sinew]

now im only waiting for opportunity to get sundered

[outer ermine]

i just got insanely fucked, freeze, cs, break all crit but they fixed the dmg bug

are u fucking kidding

[warped sinew]

its still good (but not as good as with sundered ofc), for example i got all 3 rainbow medals from bosses

with ember team ofc

[lost void]

I mean as temporarily back up for not having Sundered, you think it's performance is average? Better than expected?

[outer ermine]

insta break is still a thing but damn

[warped sinew]

not gonna like its hard to tell, as i would have to get sundered first to compare them both

[daring dove]

Nice little start for Perlica's weapon, not sure when I'll build / use it with resources being so constrained but it's there.

[edgy crater]

perlica deto? avy team?

[daring dove]

Think it's good once you get a few copies on it.

[outer ermine]

2 runs thrown oh my gawd, why does the tech work but dmg fixed

[edgy crater]

w8 why 2 different cryo stack

[outer ermine]

it was like this yesterday

why

[edgy crater]

oh lol

[outer ermine]

frame perfect shenanigans

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

the timing isnt even tho so

tight*

its gonna mess w my habit so bad gotta go a little later ig

[craggy pond]

weird question but does anyone know what perlica p4 does it seems to me like her p1 but just with a weirder wording

[drifting quest]

electrification level 2

instead of 1

english tl issue

[craggy pond]

wait so it just increases it by 1 level and has nothing to do with the 1.33

[drifting quest]

Electrification Level 1 is 12%
Electirfication Level 2 is 16% (1.33x more)

[craggy pond]

oh so the 1.33 is not the duration

mf

[drifting quest]

p1 increases duration

p4 is mistranslated

[craggy pond]

i was confused asf

[oak vigil]

Tbh forcing supports to be dps IS possible, albeit needs a lot of tinkering (like how I did for Antal).
I think it also will be possible to make Akekuri dps

Ardelia eeeeeeeeeeh, not sure, yes and no

Alesh is straight up no, Xaihi also no (due to lack of cryo based buffs besides her)

[dapper mason]

art intensity gonna be huge

[drifting quest]

Never said it wasnt
Just that the main people doing tc were not doing it

[oak vigil]

Fair enough, my bad if I implied that on accident though

[torn pilot]

are there any solid numbers on aethertech vs swordmancer on endmin main dps?

aethertech feels super good

[drifting quest]

swordmancer should be ahead

[torn pilot]

really

[drifting quest]

aethertech probably has more reinforcement via the bigger number at lower investment

[torn pilot]

also the set bonus gives attack% too

what makes swordmancer better

[outer ermine]

im yhrowing so hard

wasting my buffs

[drifting quest]

Well Endmin can only stack Aethertech via Skill which is inefficient
Even if you do stack it the damage% it provides is more diluted
Aethertech pieces just stack Arts Intensity which only buffs the Crush Damage, not the rest of the kit

Stagger is nice to staggermax and converts to team dps increase

The hit off Swordmancer isn't nothing either

[frigid vector]

I recall someone posted a video on this chat that were a bunch of lae clears using different sets (ult gain/tide/tried lynx but gave up or something), was I hallucinating that or something

can't seem to find it

[north widget]

How many Laevatein EBS do you guys typically get inside her ult? Assuming you start the ult with 0 melting flame.

[oak vigil]

Uhhhh EBS?

[north widget]

Enhanced battle skill

The one she consumes 4 melting flame stacks for

[oak vigil]

Oh EBS is for Enchanced battle skill, got it

[warm orchid]

in phys team with pog and endmin, do i have to get 4 stacks, breach then build 4 stacks again before crush? or just 1 stack for breach is enough?

i do endmin skill then chen combo skill, then use either chen skill or ember skill/combo skill if i get hit for more stacks

[drifting quest]

4 breach
3 crush
4 crush
.
4 breach
3 4 repeat

See pins for timeline

[potent hornet]

WOOO got my forgeborn perf essence

[warm orchid]

referring to the pinned, i dont see any timeline for my team which is ember, pog, endmin and chen

[outer ermine]

it might be doomed..

get 4 stack dmg, doesnt get insta break
get insta break, 3 stack dmg + late 1 stack proc

[drifting quest]

Bad teams arent covered by Iana

You can probably somewhat adapt existing ones but like

Its gonna be problematic

[chilly basin]

is this right for the laevatain ult gain efficiency build

i only artificed the ult gain efficiency btw

[ancient drift]

How much atk does ur Last Rite have? @outer ermine

[daring dove]

Yeah that's absolutely fine, I assume she's P0-P3 otherwise you have too much.

[chilly basin]

alr ty!

[frozen tide]

my guess is 5.3 if maxxed

maaybe 5.4 5.5

[outer ermine]

5.6 flat

[frozen tide]

how

[outer ermine]

everything maxed aside from 2 tubes at +2 on will

[frozen tide]

what chest piece

[outer ermine]

bone

[frozen tide]

🤔

is there a pot that does a lot of atk

my rite if i finished maxxing gear would be around 5.3 atk

max essenced weapon

90 90 all talent unlock

[ancient drift]

Also, I think that gilberta does a better job than perlica to amplify Last Rite’s dmg..

My 1:12seg run, she has 5401 atk, not max gear, ult dmg armor.

[outer ermine]

p2 has +20 str iirc

[frozen tide]

huh

maybe that makes the difference

i also run tide which has str off stat no matching main stat

those 2 combined might make that difference

[daring dove]

5.3k is fine anyway, anything over 5k I'd consider good for a well built character.

[outer ermine]

ive seen full artificed and max everythign from someone here and its 5640+ or sum

[frozen tide]

the difference between 3 3 3 gear and 303/033 should not be very big

but it prob does add up

if across all gear

[oak vigil]

Tbh it depends on the team composition for Last Rite.
Both Gilby and Perlica can be used on the same team for Last Rite (so they both apply bonus damage and Perlica applies electrification) while Xaihi supports too with damage amp and cold stacks

As for what is separately, yeaaah Gilby is better for Last Rite

[frozen tide]

i just cannot get rid of tide chest for 3 3 qol

3 4 feels miserable

[daring dove]

I'm finally getting around to building my Last Rite now, she'll be 90 tomorrow with 90 weapon. Still tons more to invest into her though. only missing 3 pips on weapon essence since I got 5/5/2 on it done today.

[outer ermine]

omg perlica combo is in the way

i cant see the timing

[outer ermine]

really just depends on wut ur playing for, perlica, gil, ake, ard are all flexes

[frozen tide]

perlica and gilb do not fight over the same spot

[ancient drift]

I normally go with Xaihi - Gil - Ardelia… here are my runs, no lucky crit, only food buff.

Rhodagn lvl 90 - Combo+Ult(1.319.000dmg - no crit):
https://youtu.be/1eB8uasD2HE?si=g54qrLGyZx4k24yS

[stable scarab]

hi what is the best dmg for phys team, what skill order to use?

[frozen tide]

check pins

[outer ermine]

timing is similar... .900s

maybe combo makes a diff hmm

[chilly bolt]

Ok question regarding LR team, if i want to use gil for speedrunning boss who do i replace, ardelia or perlica

[drifting quest]

perlica

or well

can be ardelia depending on how fast you go

[daring dove]

Do we think this is the best combo for nuking? If it is I already have Ardelia & Gilberta fully built. So will save me a good bit of investment. An LR I'd say is about 50% done.

[outer ermine]

throw ard away speedrun

[drifting quest]

try the rotation > if you get stuck waiting for ardelia > perlica
if you can do ard in time > ard

[chilly bolt]

I mean like, which 2 have bigger total amp

[drifting quest]

xaihi ard gilb is the highest

but its reliant on ard corrosion application in time

[ancient drift]

From my tests yeah, my perlica is P4 with SoM P2 full essence, and Gil still does better than her.

[drifting quest]

which might not happen in time depending on your pace

[ancient drift]

Rotation is tricky though

Perlica’s rotation much easier

[daring dove]

What's your Ardelia at? Curious how much susceptibility she's offering.

[ancient drift]

My ardelia is with her weapon P0 full essence, she is currently P3 though

[chilly bolt]

Hmm you still have to wait for 2nd final strike anyway right? So Ardelia isn't that bad

[drifting quest]

i think you can hit final strike before ard combo > skill completes

but i wouldnt know for sure

[daring dove]

So 28+16, not a bad amount for sure.

[ripe parrot]

Hi TC I'd like to proudly state that I got to phase 2 of Rhod on level 1 Snowshine

[chilly bolt]

I just wonder if stacking ardelia amp + gil amp is better than gil amp + perlica electrification

[ripe parrot]

ideally, wouldn't you want elec + amp because they're in different pools?

also you can make elec stronger with arts intensity

[chilly bolt]

It's P5 perlica too if that matters

[drifting quest]

the humble last rite talent

plus gilb and perlica double up on stanza as their ideal

you drop to like

gilb sig on her

whereas ard has her sig

and gilb can stanza

which is better weapon pairing

[ripe parrot]

oh true I didn't consider weapons at all

[daring dove]

It's one of those depends on investment TM questions. Nobody is touching P1 Ardelia with +P5 weapon in terms of damage amp. But as others have pointed out it can be tricky to get off. If you had P5 Perlica with +P5 Stanza, an your Ardelia was P0 with P0 weapon, then Perlica would clearly win.

[ancient drift]

We have any armor dmg comparison for last rite? With no stagger feel that the ult dmg% is better for her than the others…

[chilly bolt]

This is what I've been wondering, since those are in different category they would be multiplicative instead of additive

[drifting quest]

see pins

[chilly bolt]

Ok so i guess there's no clear answer, i just need to try and see

[ancient drift]

So P5 stanza is better than P0 main weapon for Gilberta as well?

[oak vigil]

The thing with that combo is that Ardelia anti-synergises with Gilberta after first rotation, so you are kinda stuck stalling there for the second rotation until vulnerability stack disappears

[drifting quest]

p0 stanza is better than p0 sig most of the time so go figure

[daring dove]

Yeah it would be, but if you had another user for Stanza you could just use both. Ardelia's weapon at P0 is going to be a little bit worse than Stanza too but then you're tied to triggering her ult to get the buff.

[ancient drift]

Is kinda not that bad Aestro, on my channel u can find my Last Rite runs, and Gil is always better than my perlica, did 1:34seg on Ballista & Axe, with a bit of messy run

[chilly bolt]

There's no 2nd rotation since there is gil for speedrunning boss but thanks for the reminder

[oak vigil]

Oh well if in that way- Fair

[chilly bolt]

[ocean hawk]

it came, the random choice one

[chilly bolt]

Dont claim tho, save sanity

[daring dove]

That seems a bit of a stretch, but I guess it depends on the assumptions against a ST enemy it might be very close.

[drifting quest]

even in aoe it can be tough to actually hit multiple enemies
but it's still about 25% dmg% vs 12% atk or so which for a lot of teams (but naturally not all) wins out thanks to dilution

[ancient drift]

What about Last Rite’s Armor, ult dmg%, Staggered dmg or Skill dmg? Of course she being P0-P3

[drifting quest]

see pins

[warm orchid]

I dont have lifeng I don't like da pan, also I don't have any p5 5star TvT

[ancient drift]

It really depends on the boss probably, since in some fight we dont need to stagger the boss, like on ballista axe fight

[dapper mason]

see pins

[outer ermine]

u never do

[ancient drift]

I’ll check thanks

Makes sense

[daring dove]

P5 is 61% DMG assuming you hit 3 enemies, I'd imagine P0 is 30 odd, I haven't checked though.

[drifting quest]

p0 is 25-35% or so

at 1-3

[next helm]

[drifting quest]

so yeah i mean

dilution is a hassle

[ancient drift]

For Laev using Gil instead of Ardelia on Rhodagn fight was also easier for me.. Manage to do 1:15seg with Laev P0, But on Ballista e Axe, ardelia is better since we need those quick burst dmg, did 1:39seg on their run.

[chilly bolt]

Aethertech = best generally, cant go wrong with it (high priority)
Frontier = good for speedrunning bosses (medium prio)
Bonekrusha = combo for overworld mobbing (low priority)

[ancient drift]

Timing is everything though, even the combo skill cooldown u have to track..

Gilberta is all around best sup, I can literally put her on any team. Crazy the idea of skipping her.

Any of u know about Yvonne vs Last Rite dmg comparison? Saw a few videos, but hard to make any assumptions…

[drifting quest]

physical teams:
laev teams if you dont preplan your rot exactly:
elec teams if you have skill issue:
lr teams if you dont have a brain:

[drifting quest]

last rite is just better in every way

[tranquil burrow]

This is why I selected overwhelming burden of thinking in the survey

[west moon]

SOFT PITY

[potent hornet]

thats gonna get a bot warning

[ancient drift]

I was thinking the same, but this run was Crazy, and his Yvonne is P1 but with weapon P5. And almost all Support weapons almost maxed as well.

Rhodagn 26seg run:
https://youtu.be/ofj7ENmPeUQ?si=3PamDWykG0r8s_yY

[drifting quest]

so 1 more pot for double the clear time?

lr p0 has like 13-15s clears in abundance

[ancient drift]

After the beta?

Almost all runs I saw of LR 13-15seg was on beta

And she is P5 everything maxed

[outer ermine]

0+0 lr is 15s max rn, p3 breaks into 13

p5 is 11.18, can break into 10s but real hard w current rotation

[ancient drift]

Crazy, do u have the link of this run?

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1gAZtBMEKd
this hard caps at 10

and sub 10 is w this but i cant find the timing today

[oak vigil]

damn

[ancient drift]

Wow

[tranquil burrow]

This vid is goated for actually showcasing various hp breakpoints they hit at different levels of investment

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1uJZsBfEcM

[drifting quest]

this is live yes

[outer ermine]

back to finding this shit

pls exist w/o combo slow down

[drifting quest]

yvonne just sucks

[outer ermine]

[potent hornet]

24second clear time isn't suck level

[drifting quest]

ignore the investment, caveats, etc and just look at the time sure

[potent hornet]

i mean isn't the point of building a character to invest in them?

[tranquil burrow]

The investment level is reasonably achieveable with time if you're hellbent on vertical investment. P1 Yvonne + P5 Wedge.

[ancient drift]

Lets see when they release her weapon, but depending on the mode she is a more comfortable choice definitely… playing Last Rite on Umbral Monument is not for everyone, but then u just need to go with Laev… Definitely the all around character..

[drifting quest]

her sig is worse than p5 wedge unless you also go to high pot on sig

and yvonne is just worse than lr in monument anyway

the gap is bigger in monument than it is in recrisis speedruns

maybe future monuments this changes but yvonne loathes this cycle

[ancient drift]

I mean for the average player, she is more comfortable…

[outer ermine]

"single target" kills both boss simultaneously

[ancient drift]

Last Rite is definitely not that easy to master

[drifting quest]

forget all the facts and sheeting

i literally used yvonne this monument

i can tell you firsthand

she is terrible

[tranquil burrow]

Maybe you were distracted by her

[drifting quest]

yes i was distracted by how bad her design is too

my bad

[tranquil burrow]

This guy a straight hater

[ancient drift]

Come on man, why are u so angry

[drifting quest]

when have i been angry

im just stating facts

[edgy crater]

dat crit fishing still haunt me

[ripe parrot]

I'll say as a third party that yvonne feels worse to play than LR by almost every metric I can think of

[daring dove]

Girl is rocking P5 Wedge an his Gilberta is also quite whale. The LR clear shown below had considerbly less investment & was faster.

[ripe parrot]

maybe there's a case in like umbral-2 where range is more comfortable and finishing your combo as LR feels awful sometimes

but otherwise it feels bad that yvonne kinda falls short compared to LR in pretty much every way

[ancient drift]

LR is the most fun, although Laev Ult with animation cancel feels smooth as fuck

[drifting quest]

the only way yvonne is better than last rite is if they introduce a stage where the only units who can deal damage are pistol users

[potent hornet]

i didn't say she was better

i was saying with investment she seems to work just fine

[drifting quest]

24s (at whale tier investment)
unable to trim (at average joe level investment)

truly the unit of all time

[frozen tide]

yvonne can also get better than rite if they introduce a mode where they give 500 percent dmg bonus and atk bonus

trust

[oak torrent]

Yah

[potent hornet]

people throw whale around pretty heavily here

[drifting quest]

?????????

yeah just hit the nuts bro

its not that hard

[ancient drift]

Is there any chance of a kinda PVP in the future? Like in Honkai Impact 3rd maybe?

[drifting quest]

be luckier

[oak torrent]

Idc who is better i need yovnne

[drifting quest]

my bad bro

[outer ermine]

nah just xaihi lead

[ripe parrot]

doubt it

[heady pine]

Yvonne will be better when they introduce a support that amps sitting still

[ripe parrot]

maybe leaderboard at most

[heady pine]

Or gives invincibility for a few seconds if u don’t move

[drifting quest]

until you realise last rite can stand still too

[heady pine]

[frozen tide]

p0 p0 yvonne with 60/80 supps cant trim?

theres no way

[heady pine]

That character will also give -30% debuff to melee characters

[frozen tide]

theres catcher trim runs

[drifting quest]

i dont recall a single trim at this investment

[frozen tide]

and yvonne cant?

[drifting quest]

not saying it might not exist but

ive not seen one i remember

they're always higher investment

see Iana not being able to trim with whaled supports but non whaled Yvonne

most trim clears are also rhodagn

because its rhodagn

[frozen tide]

what if iana is secretly handless

[drifting quest]

the % of posts for yvonne are like 99:1

[tranquil burrow]

There are Yvonne trim runs on all 3 bosses on youtube with P0 + bp weapon + regular supports. I found one with a Endmin/Estelle support duo.

[outer ermine]

[frozen tide]

endmin estelle yvonne

feels like endmin shatter in a trenchcoat

[tranquil burrow]

and gilb

[ancient drift]

Edmin is the carry

[outer ermine]

been looking for timing for 3hrs

[ancient drift]

:v

[oak torrent]

I bet yall yovnne banner will be the most payed banner in arknight history

[drifting quest]

doubt it

[frozen tide]

paid

[edgy crater]

this one?

[tranquil burrow]

Nothing beating Laevatain beacuse she was game launch banner

[outer ermine]

nah its laev cuz theres some crazy mfs that pulled for p5 yvonne IN laev banner

[ancient drift]

Her belly is cute, and that’s meta

[frozen tide]

kunst vial

[tranquil burrow]

I just did a quick youtube search, that one and found a few more

[frozen tide]

secret meta consumable

[edgy crater]

btw, this is for rhodagon alone

[ripe parrot]

there's also a triagg trim with p0 + bp weapon

[tranquil burrow]

The one I found had all bosses

and the screenshot says 3x trimmed medals

[frozen tide]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[oak torrent]

Yah cuz some people pull for limited chracters on her banner

[frozen tide]

yvonne is not real man

[edgy crater]

i hope im no joking, but yes, u need 2 gingseng for rhodagon trimmed on dat video

[frozen tide]

make her into a 5 star unit and refund everyone who pulled her

[edgy crater]

[oak torrent]

[next helm]

I'm too scared to build yvonne

[ripe parrot]

I also found a p0 clear + bp weapon for marble so that's every boss

[tranquil burrow]

You're jealous you're not her

[oak torrent]

I cant stop thinking about her all the time

[ripe parrot]

I'm pretty sure all the early yvonne players had massive skill issue when going for trim

because while I do think she's worse than LR, she's not like untrimmable tier

[drifting quest]

no unit is untrimmable

[oak torrent]

I think you dont know what he mean mabey

[frozen tide]

untrimmable tier rn means

[ancient drift]

They are messing with u @tranquil burrow u can literally get those medals even with no supports like Laev can do..

[frozen tide]

worst unit in the game

if shes anywhere near it

yikes

[drifting quest]

most yvonne trims have some sort of crutch

alesh, investment, rng, etc etc

[potent hornet]

you mean people are using things in the game provided in order to trim?>

with a character they want to do it with

weird

[ancient drift]

Laev P0 can get all 3x trim solo

[tranquil burrow]

Alesh as crutch is funny tho

[drifting quest]

me when i misconstrue the argument

[frozen tide]

alesh fish gacha

[sullen depot]

Alesh is a crutch? Whut? Is he secretly OP, what you mean?

[drifting quest]

alesh rng

[oak torrent]

[drifting quest]

winning every combo rng

[frozen tide]

me when i ignore context

[ripe parrot]

again, I think that's a skill issue. I saw a perfectly valid yvonne/xaihi/perlica/arde all boss clear

[frozen tide]

scroll up a lil more

[edgy crater]

rhodagon, doritos, marble time

[outer ermine]

theres like abillion ppl in here everytime its ember and yvonne talk

[ripe parrot]

not saying that I disagree with you though lol

[drifting quest]

at what investment, with what rng? boss interactions? foods buffs? time?

[frozen tide]

3:58

[edgy crater]

remember, dats with ange as well

[drifting quest]

if a unit requires x10 the effort to clear in double the time

[outer ermine]

bro barely cleared

[drifting quest]

are we genuinely treating them as on par

[frozen tide]

yvonne is deadass bawling with wulf dps on whose a better dps and losing

[drifting quest]

wulf has faster trims

fwiw

at same levels of investment

[potent hornet]

what is your hangup on investment, its and RPG you are SUPPOSED TO INVEST

[neat snow]

[potent hornet]

just because they decided to put more resources into that character instead of LR or Laev doesn't make them wrong if it works

it works

[frozen tide]

what does fwiw stand for again

[drifting quest]

i sure do love my unit struggling to clear WITH investment at the EASIEST content

i sure am glad they wont make harder content in future where my unit cannot be invested further to scale

!!

[frozen tide]

for what it wins

[drifting quest]

for what its worth

[edgy crater]

btw, on marble, u still use gingseng stew on endmin lmao

[potent hornet]

then that character wasn't made for you

[ancient drift]

Flourite is definitely better than Yvonne though

[outer ermine]

[potent hornet]

she is perfectly workable to those that do

[drifting quest]

this is why i hate it here man

[frozen tide]

everybody gets so generous and copy when it comes to yvonne

[potent hornet]

or you just suck maybe

[frozen tide]

shes just subpar

[drifting quest]

people will come into the tc channel and disregard everything

[heady pine]

At that point u just run shatter

[tranquil burrow]

Unfortunately she spooked him and that's basically 95% of the reason he rage hates her

[heady pine]

And probably cut a minute

[drifting quest]

feelscraft over actual data i guess

[oak torrent]

Is the collab skins are all pay to get or mabey 1 free?

[ripe parrot]

the RNG seems pretty minimal but then again it's like a 3:55 clear. for reference, it's p0 + bp weapon, no whaled supports

[frozen tide]

YVONNE IS A SUBPAR SUB OPTIMAL UNIT IN EVERY SITUATION EVEN EXCLUDING LAEV

[edgy crater]

yes, its just shatter in trenchcoat

[next helm]

So what is the actual thing holding her back?

[oak torrent]

She need Gilberta with her own wepons

[drifting quest]

bad sig
bad kit
lack of supports
content that she struggles into
last rite existing

[ripe parrot]

well, mostly the fact that LR eclipses her in every way

[next helm]

What is bad about her kit?

[drifting quest]

pick a skill

they all have issues

[frozen tide]

how about we start with the elephant in the room

her ult

[heady pine]

Why does using her battle skill fuck over her ult

That’s the big one for me

[oak torrent]

Yovnne is mostly m1 atk so need crit the most

[potent hornet]

its just a wierd hangup, there is evidence that it works just fine, i don't know why if someone produces evidence that shows "yes this character can do the fancy things too" someone else has to point out everything it took to get to that point as why it was a bad decision

she does the trims

[frozen tide]

funny way to talk around my argument at hand

[ripe parrot]

it's a valid point that she does have to work harder for it - this is TC after all

[potent hornet]

i never said she wasn't the best or is optimal

[drifting quest]

ult:
no super armour - can be cancelled easily
fixed range - bosses and mobs can easily exit the range
cast whiffs link
long cast time means lots of buffs expire so she doesnt get full value, especially on the hits she actually wants to buff
etc etc etc

this is like half the issues ult has

[potent hornet]

not a single time at any point have i said that

[frigid vector]

can you link, I've been meaning to lab yvonne and I'll take everything I can find

[potent hornet]

all i said is that it appears that she does just fine

[tranquil burrow]

Save Yvonne society

[potent hornet]

and you come spouting INVESTMENT, SUBOPTIMAL

[heady pine]

They are saving she does “just fine” if u over invest into her

[potent hornet]

doesn't change the fact she can do the things

[frozen tide]

my claim is that theres always units that can do any content better for lower investment

[heady pine]

She is suboptimal to lr is almost all content

[potent hornet]

who cares if that person enjoys the character

she works

get over it

[west moon]

24 and 26 is something interesting

Can we mention how terrible chinese new year event is translated?

[frozen tide]

😭

[drifting quest]

you are in the theorycrafting channel

[neat snow]

[edgy crater]

oh w8 shuo, from show case, LR solo clear time on marble

[heady pine]

We are literally in theorycrafting

This is like the chat for optimizing

[ripe parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3h1YeQoLKg i got you fam

[heady pine]

Ofc ppl are gonna downplay a worse character

[drifting quest]

i sure do love solo clears being faster than a full 4op

[potent hornet]

bringing up an arguement over how bad she is when all i said was she work. Not Shes the best, she has the fastest clear, or anything along those line

[edgy crater]

nah, its slower but like 30s difference, between 1 op vs 1 team

[potent hornet]

she does fine

if she wasn't worth it there wouldn't be a pin for her team in here

[ripe parrot]

I think that optimizing the suboptimal is fine too though

[west moon]

Is arclight cooked atm?

[heady pine]

Have you read the pin for her team, by any chance

I think that entire document just shits on Yvonne

[edgy crater]

btw on this clear, its somewhere around 3:57s

[frigid vector]

she's ok, just that akekuri is more dmg

[next helm]

I wish yvonne wasn't so ult locked

[potent hornet]

and yet its still there because get this...its still a viable team

[frigid vector]

arclight has use cases depending on avys potential

[drifting quest]

so like arclight is fine
but like akekuri just does it better

[potent hornet]

just not as viable as some others, thats ok

[ripe parrot]

yeah I guesstimated around 3:55 due to load and whatnot but that seems right

[frigid vector]

earlier today I was looking more closely at breakpoints and at p0 avy you legit need 8 bskills to get enough ult energy from 0 on the time it takes you to do 4 combos

[edgy crater]

yeah, but its kinda bad for showcasing tbh

[west moon]

I just feel like she's not doing impact on the team. Barely noticeable damage plus shortlived buff that's somewhat hard to gain

[frigid vector]

akekuri struggles with that since her sp regen is on ult and you need to expend the battle skill after on avy's for link

[west moon]

and negligible sp recovery

[frigid vector]

sp recovery from arclight can fill in the gap in battle skill use to sustain avy ult energy gain at p0

[west moon]

5 star btw

[edgy crater]

i dont hate her, but the showcase already tell me

[drifting quest]

ake ult lines up with like every 3rd avy ult

[frigid vector]

at p1/p2/p3 etc akekuri would just be better

[ripe parrot]

I think it's a decent run to showcase since they're using not hyperoptimized supports and also navigator

[frigid vector]

at p4 though, you have another arclight use case

[ripe parrot]

so there is a lot of room for improvement

while still being able to trim

[frigid vector]

since 12 thunderlances once again needs 8bskills if you don't start with any ult energy

[west moon]

I want avy p5, it's literally the last 5 star I can't finish

[edgy crater]

welp, gonna w8 for her sig showcase then

[west moon]

The buff is tasty

[frigid vector]

so some of the umbral speedruns I've seen for example

for p5 avy

actually run arclight

because you can set-up 8 bskills in the time it takes for you to kill axe so you 1 shot ballista

anything where you start with ult energy though (literally any re-crisis)

ake is going to pull out ahead

[west moon]

I hope devs will add some standard banner issues. Cause I'm not pulling chartered banners in the next 3 monthes or so

[frigid vector]

and arclight is really more of a p0 avy and/or p4+ avy 12 thunderlance setup merchant

[frozen tide]

yes

[drifting quest]

depends a lot on future umbral i guess

[frigid vector]

simply because she offers more battle skill uses via sp recovery, but other than that she falls behind as she can't compete with ake's raw dmg

[drifting quest]

if they remain free like the current then there's no point investing in arclight

if they get harder than its prob decent to have both built enough

[next helm]

1.1 and onward will probably have a small flow

[frigid vector]

problem with arclight as well is that on a mono elec team she's actually fine as it's a very sp friendly team

[drifting quest]

like current umbral 1 you can just not care about ake not having ult and use it to nuke the final elite
same for umbral 2
umbral 3 is double elite so ake gaming

[next helm]

1.0 is not gonna have any more cause we got a lot already i think

[ripe parrot]

I'm waiting for the endfield equivalent of contingency contract where we experience true suffering

[frigid vector]

but with gilb it's really hard to manage not just enough bskills but have everything up for max stack corrosion and reapplying elec infliction to sustain avy combo skills

[ripe parrot]

until then my current teams are not going to be built at all and i'm going to hoard resources

[frigid vector]

kinda gotta make use of arclight ult for that

[west moon]

Chinese new year is carrying 1.0 pull economy lol

[frigid vector]

but then her electrification is piss compared to perlica's

[west moon]

880 oroberyl per day

[frigid vector]

so that's another difficult thing to manage

[tranquil burrow]

for 4 days

[next helm]

Pull economy for 1.0 is fake

[frozen tide]

etchspace was goated

[modest thorn]

should i be using engraving permits to get fodder essences?

[west moon]

not for a week?

[next helm]

I got 240 summons for limited

[ripe parrot]

no

[tranquil burrow]

Also, pull economy is fine. I just don't like how thin it's spread.

[next helm]

Is that not enough

[drifting quest]

10 pulls versus the other 250 we have before this

[next helm]

Every patch is going to have a set amount of summons

[west moon]

welp, I've cleared them all already

[drifting quest]

if you're not farming for a specific weapon you should not be using permits

[ripe parrot]

unless you're also multi-targetting other essences for your other weapons too

[next helm]

we got 250 in 1.0 not counting basic hh

[west moon]

40?

[ripe parrot]

if you are purely etching, then just go to power plant alluvium and also farm dogs

[drifting quest]

the hub has slugs

better farm

[west moon]

Is it better than hub?

[frozen tide]

you should use permits to farm fodder if you have permits left to buy

[tranquil burrow]

I'm all out of the skip currency

[frozen tide]

'

[ripe parrot]

i prefer plant because slug meat is really fast to farm

[frozen tide]

the statistic is so dogwater

[ripe parrot]

i prefer quantity of fillet

but that's up to you

[drifting quest]

there's like 30-50 fillets a day

[west moon]

What's the matter, food in endfield is dogshit

[drifting quest]

if you do your dog run

[tranquil burrow]

You get more permits than you get sanity in a week. Always use permits.

[west moon]

they don't even let us use it for events

[next helm]

800 atk is dogshit

[west moon]

That you can't use in any meaningful place

[drifting quest]

im so glad this channel remains a beacon of truth and reason

[tranquil burrow]

Food was dead to me the moment they disabled it in Umbral

[west moon]

Cause no food allowed 👅

[next helm]

I don't know

trims you can use food

[west moon]

Useless

[frozen tide]

whar

[ripe parrot]

i'm glad they don't let you use food in umbral that just means I didn't have to farm more

[drifting quest]

(sarcasm is not indicated via text I know)

[tranquil burrow]

Same lel

[frozen tide]

i love stew meet

stew meet my beloved

[modest thorn]

is using permits a definite no or like a maybe no

[ripe parrot]

99% no

[drifting quest]

there's no reason to spend them if you're not farming

[tranquil burrow]

Definite yes. Just always use them. You get more permits than you get sanity.

[ripe parrot]

if you are purely leveling essences then no

[drifting quest]

but you should always be chasing something if you are farming

[modest thorn]

yeah lowk i feel like i have enough permits

[rose lantern]

Is it worth farming an essence that has better base stats (for example, agility directly at +4)?

[drifting quest]

no

[frozen tide]

but like why even are you doing the energy alluvium atp use sanity on smth else

[edgy crater]

111 alone already enough

[drifting quest]

fodder

6/6/3 isnt going to upgrade itself

[frozen tide]

theres enough valley 4 tickets to use it for fodder farm

[drifting quest]

it requires you to not be spending stock certs on other things

[tranquil burrow]

No, it's relatively cheap to +4, but you can keep farming I guess while you farm out the fodder for +6

[drifting quest]

why would you not just save a stockpile to be safe

[ripe parrot]

if you keep spending on V4 engravings, then how are you going afford your cool bike, loser?

[drifting quest]

its just wasteful for no benefit

[frozen tide]

unless you buy food i dont think thats the case

you get so much valley bills you can buy out all the gifts and tickets every week

[drifting quest]

people might be buying the materials if they're newer

[frozen tide]

hmm

[drifting quest]

they might be wanting to buy the decorations

[frozen tide]

i saved up enough for 16 mil while buying every ticket

[drifting quest]

they might not have 100% optimized factories producing 18 bca a minute, 18 batteries a minute, etc

[frozen tide]

🔥

[modest thorn]

i mean tbf we are in theorycrafting so i'd assume we're not new players who aren't trying to minmax

[west moon]

OBJ edge of lightness has higher buff potential than thermite it seems?

[drifting quest]

you would hope

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah VBucks are monopoly money

[drifting quest]

but this is help 3 after all

[frozen tide]

w

[modest thorn]

ok well uh assuming i am an endgame player is it worth it to use the engraving tickets then

[drifting quest]

its still a waste for 0 gain

just keep them

[frozen tide]

figure out a weap to farm for

[tranquil burrow]

There's enough weapons you can always target one for the forseeable future, just target one.

[ripe parrot]

if you are pulling for another upcoming character + their weapon, it's worth just holding onto engravings

[drifting quest]

at best you future proof in case they add an alternative sink for v4 bills

[modest thorn]

oh wait i thought matching ones gave higher chances of success lol

[drifting quest]

at worst you just have potnetially hundreds spare

[tranquil burrow]

There's no point, you have a surplus of permits even with 2 refreshes every day

You will simply not be able to use them all

[next helm]

As there is going to be a cap on factories

I think valley is going to be obsolete 2.0

[frozen tide]

if i have a 4 3 2 essence and want to farm fodder not using ticket means the essence i get is more likely to not have any of the 3 than to have 1

[ripe parrot]

either that or cap assuming you bought all the decorations

[drifting quest]

v4 wont be obselete but it'll have reduced income

[tranquil burrow]

Also I have a feeling newer chars will use tickets from newer regions

[ripe parrot]

might as well keep cash flow going

[next helm]

how

[frozen tide]

not to mention if you already maxxed one or two out its even lower chance

[ripe parrot]

well when we get out third region, we stop operating in V4, right?

[frozen tide]

not using ticket means you can get dupe type lines

[ripe parrot]

or was that just hearsay?

[frozen tide]

like infliction/twilight/detonation

[next helm]

Only the most recent factory~(main story wise) + last logged out one are going to be active

[drifting quest]

auto mode (aka when offline) will be the most recent region and wherever you log off
so you can log off in v4 and still produce
Or it will produce when you are online

[craggy pond]

it's the most recent one you visit

[tranquil burrow]

New metagaming, leave PC on 24/7

[next helm]

So if you have completed valley

[frozen tide]

using ticket makes sure you get guaranteed meaningful 3 line

[craggy pond]

so you can control which one works and which doesn't

[frozen tide]

instead of dupe type

[tranquil burrow]

with a click macro to not get booted

[next helm]

you are not goin to log out there I guess

[drifting quest]

people will set up anti afk stuff for factory minmax yes

and then it will get banned

[ripe parrot]

let's destroy HG's servers

[frozen tide]

the accounts?

[tranquil burrow]

It won't be worth it at all

We can already see Valley factory being essentially worthless

[frozen tide]

valley factory is far from useless

[heady pine]

There’s literally nothing to buy

[ripe parrot]

V4 is kinda already whatever so I won't really care if it stops producing

[tranquil burrow]

Wuling will similarly have low value once new region drops

[heady pine]

I’m just saving for the 16m now

[frozen tide]

weekly tickets and gifts are still quite a lot of value as well as pulls every full reset

[next helm]

At some point it will be 1500 fero ore

and thats it for valley

[tranquil burrow]

What pulls every full reset?

[drifting quest]

there will be v4 expansions with more stock redist nodes, more stuff to buy from it, more sub aics p

probably

[frozen tide]

the tickets you can buy from stock shop

ok saying ticket is wrong

[tranquil burrow]

They're one time only

Oh you mean essence permits?

[frozen tide]

i was thinking aic quota

[next helm]

You really think they will keep v4 active

After 2.0?

[frozen tide]

cause it has aic in name

i am drunk

[ripe parrot]

my guess is it'll be phased out as you buy out the shop and you'll naturally progress to whatever new region is after wuling by that time

but that's just pure speculation

[next helm]

Same

[rugged vale]

they said that in the future well only have 2 main pac active

[next helm]

Yeah that is my expectation with that in mind

[dawn shard]

its gonna be the newest + whichever you last visited

although that technically only applies when you are offline so im sure someone will turn this game into the absolut biggest potato to stay online 24/7

[outer ermine]

its actually gone 9.7 back to 10.2

[daring dove]

It's quite easy to make Valley credits pretty worthless in the future, you just make future essences require key words that can't be gotten from Valley 4 for the 3/3 essence match. Then all you're mainly getting from Valley 4 once you clear out the shop is companion gifts.

[outer ermine]

welp i have the recording atleast maybe cs changes its mind 2morrow

least bugged skill

[ancient drift]

Should I chase Thermite Cutter for Akekuri, or stick with OBJ P5 is fine?

[tranquil burrow]

Not worth it unless you obsess over clear times

[heady pine]

just wait for it in the weekly shop

dont pull for it

[daring dove]

I mean I wouldn't say chase Thermite Cutter, but if you can get it at some point without having to spend a lot, AKA it's on offer in the shop for 2500 arsenal credits obviously pick it up.

Thing is you'll overtime eventually get dupes of Thermite cutter too.

When that happens it'll absolutely destroy OBJ, just depends how long term we're playing things.

[ancient drift]

Makes sense

[craggy pond]

you did not pick it with the box?

[daring dove]

The most sensible option to get it, but it's still very expensive is 10 wishes on Ardelia's weapon banner nets you one.

But outside of that, an assuming you want dupes of Ardelia's weapon which for most people at F2P invest why would you.

[frozen tide]

Wait for weekly

Thermite will eventually show up

[daring dove]

There isn't really a good barrier of entry, well I think Gilberta's banner nets you one at 10 wishes as well.

[next helm]

Could be worth it to grab a thermite for 20 pulls

after a sig

[daring dove]

Yeah, if you've gone all the way to 80 wishes because you got unlucky it's 100% worth.

[next helm]

You guys get a character/weapon before guarantee?

[daring dove]

Quite often to be honest.

[thin berry]

is rossi nature confirmed?

[ancient drift]

I wasnt aware of how good it was at that time… Ended up going with Detonation Unit for xaihi

[craggy pond]

it's 2 different boxes

detonation unit is in the other one

[ancient drift]

Oh then it probably was another weapon

[craggy pond]

thermite is in the beginner banner selector thing

[next helm]

Nothing is confirmed, all sussy leaks

[ancient drift]

Probably I went with Oblivion, bad choice but whatever.. I was building Avy team, then I got that for perlica, since is her “best” dmg weapon

[daring dove]

I wouldn't engage the comment not that it's your fault. We shouldn't be discussing leaks like at all.

[craggy pond]

people do ts in an official server then wonder why they get banned

[dry kindle]

Just dodge the ban

Or parry

[drifting quest]

the other outcome is slowmode + image ban

[frozen tide]

John endfield surely bypasses

:glueless:

[ancient drift]

Now that I’ve maxed LR e Laev, I might save resources.. Not interested in physical team at the moment and Avy probably will be powercreep by another eletric dps in the near future

[craggy pond]

2 teams are already more than enough for probably the next few patches

i believe avywenna will be powercrept by fangyi hence decided not to build her

[terse furnace]

Avywenna is sooooo pretty though

[potent hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iht0pSnGnvs

its beautiful

[ancient drift]

Stacking her combo is also fun… Just feel a bit off having to always keep timing her combo skill

Having a piece of gear or sup that improves combo skill cooldowns would be nice, even for Laev..

[dry kindle]

"leaks"
looks inside
nier collab already
Bitch what 💀

[daring dove]

Would break things for certain operators I think. Doubt we'll ever get combo skill CD reduction. A lot of characters kits & rotations are designed around their combo skill CD.

It's why stuff like P5 for Ardelia is a reduction to her combo skill.

Seen as very high value.

For example Gilberta could get 100% uptime on her signature weapon buff as well, if you could get combo skill CD on gear.

[drifting quest]

do not look at 3p frontiers

[next helm]

100% uptime not even necessary

[frozen tide]

For who

[ancient drift]

Shuo senpai 😂

[undone phoenix]

hey guys can someone let me know what is the name of the app people use to fine-tune party rotations?

[drifting quest]

end axis

[next helm]

end my axis

[ancient drift]

But it doesn’t help using an entire gear set just for that.. Same with trying to make LR to ult every rotation with her P0-P3, not worth it…

[next helm]

the way my game be running at 20fps

[undone phoenix]

THANKS!

[daring dove]

I find 60 FPS hard to deal with nowa days never mind 20.

[next helm]

tech-support has deemed it a game issue

out of my hands now

should be able to max it on 4k

[drifting berry]

Anyone playing this at 1440p? Curious on what gpu are you using

[daring dove]

What GPU?

[next helm]

9070xt

[daring dove]

Yeah, that's fairly meaty should be capable of a lot more than 20 FPS. I can get 240 FPS with my 5090, but 120 of those frames are fake with frame-gen. So I usually just play at the 120 FPS limit.

[frigid vector]

the chen animation on space marine cracked me up ngl

gilberta's and last rite's even more

[undone phoenix]

did someone optimize rotations for LR+Xaihi?

[restive crescent]

do we assume artifice & trust mainstat or not for calcs rn

do we have a std

[dry kindle]

Duality of endfield mods either dumb shit or horni

[frigid vector]

i've yet to see a horni one actually

[oak vigil]

Antal getting CG from San Andress mod out of anything first

[frigid vector]

maybe that's a good thing

[daring dove]

Detonation unit needs to be P4 just to compete with P5 Stanza right, even then it has less uptime...

So would only be better for nuking.

[next plinth]

Anyone got any idea whether clannibal is good for ult regen laeva? given that the battle skill matters little on that build, you will have a bunch more sp leftover, which you could use for wulfgard instead. idk how this compares to laev, antal, ake, ardelia team though

[craggy pond]

you don't even run the latter team, wulf is almost a staple in surtr's team no matter what

it's either you replace ake with antal if you don't need sp or you don't

[next plinth]

someone apparently calced that replacing wulf might be worthwile for energy regen team

given that you only need 1 rotation to enter ult again instead of 2

[craggy pond]

i mean given that antal exists i'll assume that's only for boss fights

[drifting quest]

youcan forgo wulf but it requires more skill and knowledge than most people are willing to put in

and the gains arent particularly big

nothing has changed on that front

[next plinth]

ig? wulfgard just doesnt seem very useful for ult regen laeva as he doesnt really buff you and you dont have any heat infliction issues at all besides the first rotation without him

[oak vigil]

Also thought to ask you all (replying to this so you all have some context what team I am running)
Should I switch the equipment bonus set for Antal into something else? The “each 2 arts infliction” is getting really irritating with this 25s cooldown for 1 arts infliction, maybe crit set would work or should I just go for maximum intellect possible?

[dry kindle]

How

💀

[next plinth]

can see that i suppose, having to dance around timing the buffs correctly will probably make stuff quite a bit harder

[daring dove]

You only use Wulf with ult gain Laevatain against ST. For world exploration & dungeons with multiple mobs he goes in the 🚮

[dry kindle]

Trust yes artifice eh until wuling stops being poor

[craggy pond]

i mean it makes sense on paper but i just don't know enough people with recharge build to confirm that

[drifting quest]

ult gain laev isnt even hugely sp free

you can still end up with sp deficits

so wulf can definitely perform better in realistic cases

[next plinth]

i use ult recharge and have full uptime on ardelia's debuff and usually still have plenty of sp left over. without any special buffs like akekuris ult, the battle skill barely outperforms another basic attack rotation.

so at that point, why bother using it. you instead save it up to reenter ult quicker

[daring dove]

Naw Wulfs straight up bad for ult gain Laevain outside of ST, but then I am comparing him to a whaled out Gilberta. It's not the experience for most people.

[drifting quest]

yes i love fair and reasonable comparisons

man

why do i bother

[boreal coral]

Just ult regen worth artficing?

[next plinth]

hmm, maybe? depends if you battle skill with laev during ult i suppose. i barely notice any difference so if i can forego it, i usually do.

[frozen tide]

https://youtu.be/XnQLMarC-ug?si=ZZF1NVICqWBDvYSA

🤯

Genuinely like

Wtf

[boreal coral]

Ive see this video like 8 times already

[craggy pond]

now you'll see it 9 times

[daring dove]

Against groups he's redundant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzSZ8eb1NTI

[boreal coral]

Yep

[next plinth]

im aware, but in groups the only other option is antal, which is arguably worse. this is the reason why i was asking whether clannibal makes more sense for ult regen laev over ult regen/obj wulfgard

gives you another source of debuffs/buffs for some sp

[drifting quest]

clannibal is still mostly a brick unless you're p4+ laev or have a specific timeline

[next plinth]

how does p4 laev play into this?

[brisk mantle]

guys, what do u artifice first here for this set?

[drifting quest]

damage gap + less sp req

[boreal coral]

Chest piece is more universal for her in terms of gearing

[bronze plume]

hello other people

[next plinth]

isnt the sp requirement the same? for ult regen laev you then change your xira gloves for hot works. afaik you still require the same amount of battle skills etc

[daring dove]

What investment do you have on your Laevatain, P0 with P0 Sig?

[ripe parrot]

oh my god rip i just wasted an hour of my life

i want to die

[next plinth]

idk how it plays out for hot works laev though, but i wouldnt be surprised you would want ult regen wulfgard with obj for that to get more stacks cheaper

[drifting quest]

can do different rotations thanks to damage gap

[bronze plume]

you should kinda expect that trying to solo op a boss tbf

that aint ling bro

[drifting quest]

but also p4+ laev has a 240% ult charge wulf rotation so

clannibal mia anyway

[ripe parrot]

me touching his meteor puddle for too long spiraled out of control

[brisk mantle]

P1 main weapon(no cons on weap) however, correct essence

[ripe parrot]

because then i couldn't 2x parry his explosion

[next plinth]

are we talking about hot works laev or ult regen laev?

[ripe parrot]

and then i died because i fucked up perfect dodging it

[drifting quest]

charge build

[ripe parrot]

[daring dove]

Fair then, yeah just use hot works set. Gloves will give you a nice general bonus the additional heat damage.

[next plinth]

you dont really need 240% ult charge on wulf though right?

[drifting quest]

the more pots you have on sig the better charge build becomes compared to hot work

[bronze plume]

depends do you want like 8 laev skills during ult

[drifting quest]

oh you said

p1 wep but then no cons

confusing

[next plinth]

oh im aware, but im already ult regen because of how comfortable it is, so thats not changing any time soon

[brisk mantle]

im asking more about artificing which gear of the set first since they all have different attributes, doubting whtether i should just increase intellect or increase ULT gain boost in the chestplate rn

[boreal coral]

Its up to 8 now? I need the video

[drifting quest]

need? no

[bronze plume]

7-8 idk

[drifting quest]

but its one of the more optimal setups

at p1+

[bronze plume]

i just know it aint 6-7

[edgy crater]

wtf yolo snowshine

[ripe parrot]

level 1 snowshine

[edgy crater]

[ripe parrot]

but im kind of cheating with a level 90 exemplar

that's like 90% of my damage

[edgy crater]

bruh, dats even worse

[next plinth]

no p1 laev for me any time soon

[bronze plume]

why are you wasting yo time trying to lvl 1 aurora a boss

[edgy crater]

hmm, can i do it with e0 1 ember lol?

[ripe parrot]

if i use a level 1 weapon i think it'd take like 5 hours or something

[daring dove]

If you're not running an ult gain set which you aren't, got for heat damage on the hands first it should be the strongest general buff. Then Intellect on the chest afterwards I'd say.

[drifting quest]

P0 has a slightly reduced breakpoint for wulf

230 range

[boreal coral]

Tickling our community punching bag. Ig he deserves some love from time to time

[next plinth]

which is why im trying to get as much dmg as possible for charge laev 😂

[brisk mantle]

ooo i see, alr thanks

[ripe parrot]

i love rhod very fun fight

[next plinth]

the issue i have with that is that i dont feel like i need any more ults from wulf. getting another combo or heat stack for free makes little difference besides the first rotation

[ripe parrot]

triagg can go kick it somewhere else

[edgy crater]

fuck Doritos

[bronze plume]

people love rhod cuz of how easy the fight is

[ripe parrot]

evil fidget spinner

[frozen tide]

Dorito is just dogshit

I fw marble

[ripe parrot]

easy fight = optimize damage

[edgy crater]

annoying invincible phase

[drifting quest]

Idk what you're doing then

[next plinth]

since you dont focus on enhances bs during ult, you rarely exit ult without stacks, meaning you care less for wulf

[ripe parrot]

i like marble even with the tentacles and jump patterns

triagg with the aggelos spawns can go die though

[drifting quest]

Once you start to deviate from the timelines tc is built around naturally tc recommendations start to diverge too

[daring dove]

It's not really about easy, it's just the 97 different forms & targets of the other bosses make them really really bad for testing.

[drifting quest]

You're in the feelscrafting territory atp, try it out yourself

[frozen tide]

Marble first encounter is def harder than triag first encounter and yet much more fun

[bronze plume]

yeah for testing obv the only good one is rhod

im not talking about the testing aspect

[daring dove]

Even Rhod is bad for testing to be honest, he's just the least bad.

[ripe parrot]

also no hitting triagg is so lame because the optimal way to do mob spawns is to run around in a circle for like 1 minute

[bronze plume]

of course a boss that stays still 99% of the time compared to the other 2 is better

[next plinth]

as long as you exit laev ult with 1 stack, you can reenter ult again with laev enhances battle skill + combo + ardelia bs + ake/wulf skill + wulf combo. which is why im trying to see whether its an idea to get wulf to buff instead

[daring dove]

Fidget spinner should be deleted from the game to be honest, I hate his guts.

[next plinth]

as for the first rotation you miss out on ardelia's debuff, but can enter ult just as fast by using akekuris skill twice if you dont have wulfs ult

[boreal coral]

Once you figure out the optimal tentacle rotation the fight is a lot easier imo

[rich linden]

i finally got rhododogan trim

lets goo

[bronze plume]

good job you got the easiest one

now time for the dorito

[next helm]

Way to shoot someone in the foot

[edgy crater]

nah, do marble 1st

[rich linden]

hahaha

[rich linden]

that thing was kinda hard in the quest 💀

[edgy crater]

u gonna like marble than doritos

[daring dove]

Marble is easier, I first timed that one, had to give fidget spinner a couple of attempts mostly just to figure out how to deal with the 3rd phase.

[rich linden]

fr what is the 3rd phase

i keep hitting air

[edgy crater]

well yeah, also p2 doritos like, dont let dat shit spawn 2 wave mob or restart

[daring dove]

Fidget spinner is getting deleted from game anyway.

[rich linden]

ehh

[stable inlet]

For 5+5ultspam with hot work gloves, the rotation wouldn't work for the second ult
EBS + CS = (7 skill charge + 100 ebs charge + 25 combo charge) * 1.828 = 241.296, you'll need to skill two more times or use another EBS/CS

[ancient drift]

How much dmg % does crit gives?

[hexed edge]

default is 50% more dmg

[tight haven]

50% unique multiplier base

as in, crit dmg is its own bracket in the damage calc

afaik theres no "overcrit"

as in, going over 100% cc doesnt give you the chance to deal double crit damage

[gritty olive]

i have tidefall. just need one more skill for it

[boreal coral]

Marble is not an easier sightread. You gotta heavily optimize your tentacle rotation or its ggs when you start fighting the boss. Dorito I cleared first try

[gritty olive]

thanks
back then there was ake bs -> wulf cs -> ake bs, but i removed ake bs for wulf ult and i forgot to account for skill again

[bronze quiver]

Do I want to run re-crisis or crisis drills for d96 steel samples? did anyone collect any drop data for these modes?

[gritty olive]

from what i know the gain/sanity spent is similar

just use whatever you think is more convenient: bosses or normal enemies

[regal fractal]

Marble was easier for me

Dorito was a pain for some reason

I just didn't clesd fast enough

[amber vapor]

Reminds me of when I used to do raids and dungeons in Destiny and there was always an invulnerable state in between phases so that you couldn't cheese the bosses

People still found ways to cheese the bosses regardless 💀

[regal fractal]

Jumps take forever

We need a practice dummy

[amber vapor]

FINALLY

Took over 70 essences or so iirc

[summer flicker]

oh lynx better for yvonne

my 2 max

[summer flower]

ohhh

OOF

time for critministrator

[summer flicker]

surely

[tranquil burrow]

I have 8 of those sanity skips to my name

Give me some

[summer flicker]

im so broke

[umbral galleon]

Who this for

[summer flower]

got trimmed rhodogan

ember DPS