theorycrafting

[rose fjord]

how much ult energy gain do i need on xaihi?

[potent hornet]

i'm about to drop 800 sanity with my tickets

[edgy crater]

assuming u can have 1.2k int xaihi

[warm galleon]

Max starry is 156 int and 44.8% secondary and probably still not enough

[dapper mason]

i dont know but i run frontier and her ult is already up before LR ult

[rose fjord]

i tried a few runs in stage 3, my xaihi has 27% ish ult energy gain but she is 1 skill off after doing 2 x 3-stack rotation

[supple epoch]

So we’ve gone from hot works recommend to ult recommend back to hot works because of trimming ?

[warm galleon]

Hi ziek 👋

[outer ermine]

i should 1min that stage ngl

[rose fjord]

in fact, i also don't get why my ult on LR isn't up after the slam either, i have 12% energy gain so that should be enough

[drifting quest]

not one thing has changed for laev since day 1

[dapper mason]

well i only use xaihi ult before burst window

[drifting quest]

ult set vs hot work still remains to be preference

slab builds are still bad

team options are still the same

[supple epoch]

Hiya !

[warm galleon]

I was bored a couple week back and did this

So how are you today?

[supple epoch]

Yeah the uh iana team building sheet was updated so some uh post artificer players aren’t happy xD

[drifting quest]

wasnt the order just flipped

hot work is the baseline

i think it was because like

[twilit quail]

people are too unwell

[drifting quest]

people were bitching they couldnt trim

lmao

[twilit quail]

to just use the set that gets ult back

to get ult back fast

I cant get ult :(((((

never encountered this piece of feedback before anywhere else

[supple epoch]

These players all trimmed with ult set ironically

I am like 20s from trimming in ult set but Im behind a bit in development

[outer ermine]

oh ult just kills there, looks doable

[west moon]

Who cares about medals, they don't even yield pull currency like in genshin#

[drifting quest]

people will complain no matter what set is recommended

[west moon]

Actually, I know who, I wonder WHY

[supple epoch]

Same ppl who care about like d6 I guess lol

[west moon]

It doesn't matters, really

[distant python]

I have not tried trimming the recrisis bosses yet

[supple epoch]

I think it’s more just about having a finalised recommendation to build off of

It could be wrong and I don’t think it would matter 🤣

[drifting quest]

all content has been clearable with all recs since day 1

we've just minmax optimized further

[distant python]

Trying to trim with pogless physical seems quite unfun

[supple epoch]

Ppl love to fight to the death over incorrect tc anyway so 🤣

[drifting quest]

physical has had 3op pogless clears for ages

[distant python]

But are they fun ?

[drifting quest]

depends who you ask

[supple epoch]

My house has the plague and I’m the last man standing so having to avoid everyone and take care of everyoen seems contradictory 🤣

[drifting quest]

some would enjoy the challenge

[distant python]

What's the team?

[drifting quest]

lifeng chen dapan

[twilit quail]

【我们球刺兽也有超⚡️级⚡️爆⚡️爆⚡️回⚡️】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1MHFTzHEhh/

trimming is funny because it's like obviously not hard

but people will go

[warm galleon]

Plan Z plan Z!
Hope it gets better

[twilit quail]

"oh if you think this is so good do trim with it"

[distant python]

Can I endmin instead

[drifting quest]

FIRE GAMEPLAY

[twilit quail]

and then you do it and it becomes "it doesnt matter anyway"

it's a funny clip

but we must remember

this is the average player

[drifting quest]

probably

if you bring a 4th

[west moon]

Dumb question, but why pog consumes vulnurability? Shoudn't endmin do it?

[drifting quest]

and food buffs

both do

4/3/4 endmin

[distant python]

The 4th is ember raaaah

[drifting quest]

4 stack pog consumes
3 stack endmin
4 stack endmin
repeat

[distant python]

No pog

[west moon]

that's what 434 means

[drifting quest]

i just

explained it

[twilit quail]

that is the ideal situation

but often you cant get it

[drifting quest]

vibes based driving yada yada

[twilit quail]

because boss fucks off/ability misses

or whatever

[drifting quest]

ive whiffed it a lot

not making second one in time because of trips to australia

[twilit quail]

you just have to route correctly in the moment for whatever you are doing

[drifting quest]

4/3/3's i do a lot instead

[twilit quail]

and simply

make the correct decision

[supple epoch]

Thanks haha me too. We convinced 2 sets of families to book a day out on Thursday that’s 90 mins away and expensive and we may have to cancel 💀. The embarrassment

[drifting quest]

by unlocking 12% of your brainpower you too can choose to not blindly follow a rotation

[supple epoch]

Def me cuz I can surely line my shit up without trying

And then it doesn’t happen 🤣

[distant python]

The fuck is a rotation, I just left click better

[supple epoch]

Reminds me of genshin parry char beidou. Where you’re messing up your rotation to land that parry

But in genshin the enemies attack so slow 😩

This game , these bosses actually trigger this shit regularly

[west moon]

why exactly 12%

[drifting quest]

random number

[distant python]

Ember gameplay

[frozen tide]

So goddamn many of those

How many people are losing their accs

They should make an announcement atp

To not receive random dms and if you do to make sure its not a scam don't open links or download anything

[supple epoch]

My mom told me she won $10000 about a week after I got her an email set up

😩

[frozen tide]

[supple epoch]

She also thinks everything she sees and reads is real

On the internet

So life’s been exciting since I got her an iPhone

😩

[distant python]

Lack of critical thinking

Unfortunate

[twilit quail]

【【终末地逐风联赛】物理队46s弩斧相应 太卡了跳表48s】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1y4ZPBYEUq/

holy

[tight haven]

the duo

[twilit quail]

sub 40 is possible

they say

[tight haven]

yeah theres pretty clear timeloss in axe and on starting the last phase

goddamn

[twilit quail]

being hit twice for fun

[tight haven]

but i would have to raise phys

💔

how it feels having 60k tc

[potent hornet]

damn

[tight haven]

im still figuring out the laev sub 1 min for b&a

i think the answer is actually some cursed shit

with chen

[twilit quail]

current record for fire is 45s

[tight haven]

instead of ake

WHAT

what was their strat

[potent hornet]

seems the stacking on last phase is gonna be key

[tight haven]

most of the time loss for me was phase 1 and phase 3

ballista can just get nuked instantly

[twilit quail]

【【终末地逐风联赛】火队45秒弩斧相应速通 游戏结算时间46秒】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1PQcWzfEbV/

[tight haven]

oh my god laevless

[potent hornet]

not laevless

they just don't start on her

[tight haven]

OH

bro i thought that was akekuri

LMAO

[potent hornet]

they use ard in order to start attacking before he jumps out

[tight haven]

yeah that was my start too but gilb > arde

arde might be better here just because she can actually attack ballista and axe with her cskill

[potent hornet]

yea you can have the corrosion consumed earlier

might give you the dmg needed to clear phase 1 faster

[tight haven]

okay yeah i see it

im gated by not having a raised antal

[twilit quail]

LR is currently on 42s

[bitter cove]

OMG HE USED ULT BUILD???? IS ULT BUILD ACTUALLYYY BROKKEEN???
Laev ult animation with ult gain gear then pointing finger to the gear

peak clickbait

[tight haven]

ult gear is like

almost always better at p5p5

[bitter cove]

iam not saying its bad or a bait

[tight haven]

yeah i getchu

some people are being a bit crazy abt the ult build

[frozen tide]

Damn fr?

How they do that

[potent hornet]

probably with gilberta

[twilit quail]

【【终末地逐风联赛】别礼影拓丰碑42s斩杀弩斧相应（43s结算）】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV15ccEzbEEN/

HIT THEM

[potent hornet]

lol

that was beautiful

[tight haven]

okay that was sick

gilberta is so fucking annoying on specifically this fight

because ballista might just choose to home in on an npc standing a little too far away from you

and then phase 3 is just ggs

[twilit quail]

xaihi ult being time loss is so funny

[tight haven]

she just doesnt need the buff right

doesnt seem like it at least

[digital scroll]

What's the likely gear on this?

[twilit quail]

3+3 gets ult

uhh

he has p5

so no charge

[digital scroll]

Makes sense

[twilit quail]

det unit

gil sig

monaihe perlica

and almost certainly combo dmg% chest

[digital scroll]

Thank you

[frozen tide]

Thats an insane run

Timeline actually works out really well considering its rite

[next helm]

Monaihe better than stanza?

[frozen tide]

Perlica didnt ult

In which case

Stanza would do nothing

Lemme double check

Did he per ult

🤔

Yeah he didn't

And even if he did perlica ult

He wouldn't have stanza up for first cs

All in all mona does seem like a better choice for that run

[digital scroll]

Question about Gil sig. I heard some people say Stanza is better than her sig is this true?

[outer ermine]

i should try that run

[frozen tide]

P0 sig is in a lot of cases worse than stanza

Because atk percent is just very valuable

And dmg percent is diluted in basically everything

But since sig does still have 6 star output high pot its rly good

[supple epoch]

Does the ult efficiency not put it ahead ? Or does it not matter

[digital scroll]

I see.I suppose I'll just keep running Sig at P0 for Ult gain

[frozen tide]

And if you have a thermite user and/or other atk percent sources stanza does relatively become worse

[frozen tide]

Depends on comp and investment

[digital scroll]

Interesting. I wonder if future DPSs will be more attack gain, as it seems DMG gain is kinda too much right now

[frozen tide]

Certain comps require gilb to have higher ult charge for bp

But also at lower investment with gilb you can just stick 4 ult charge pieces and not gaf

But if you are trying to minmax dmg with heavy investment

Gilb does solid dmg and arts int scales corrosion

Which means the freed up gear selection from the sig ult percent

[supple epoch]

Always f2p investments for me or bp/ monthly pass

[frozen tide]

Could mean more dmg output

[digital scroll]

What gear selection would be for damage?

[dapper mason]

meaning virtues xaihi is worse than deto xaihi considering stanza on perlica ?

[digital scroll]

The arts intensity chest piece?

[frozen tide]

Virtue xaihi is worse in general

[frozen tide]

Oh yeah i completely forgot about arts intensity

Arts intensity does raise corrosion effectiveness

I always forget about it cause theres not a lot of situations in the game rn

Where enemies last long enough for corrosion to be very meaningful

[outer ermine]

tf this arrow just jumped in and jumped back to the stage and never came down

[rich linden]

Ardelia my beloved

[frozen tide]

Ardelia corrosion is such nothingburger

[rich linden]

Smh

[frozen tide]

7 sec duration when corrosion takes 10 seconds to get full potency

[digital scroll]

I'm pretty sure you just rather build heat stacks than ever consume Ardelia corrosion. Ardelia cs is just good for Laev stack

[potent hornet]

yay

[frozen tide]

Gilb usually does run 3 piece eternal, depending on breakpoint either ult kits and glove or arts intensity chest with ult kit and ult/dmg/intensity gloves i would guess

[next helm]

This game needs a set with dmg% for the carrier based on ult efficiency

[craggy pond]

isn't that too op

[next helm]

can be balanced

[rich linden]

Should be fine

[craggy pond]

they literally had to nerf ult efficiency by not giving a single gold set related to it, the only related pieces are non sets

[next helm]

Rn all supports are basically bots

[rich linden]

Surely we will get more sets

In the coming expansions

[potent hornet]

i want more slots

[frozen tide]

Sub dps is a very minor role rn

[potent hornet]

4 seem criminally low

[frozen tide]

Characters are either supports or carries

[rich linden]

Idw artifice more than 4 ngl

[frigid vector]

ngl the knockback into water was not something I was expecting lmao

[craggy pond]

except if you're in a phys comp

[potent hornet]

artificing will be easy after wuling gets more stuff

[rich linden]

Truege

[frozen tide]

Phys is more like 3 dps and a support

[rich linden]

Rn my income is ~700k per day

[frozen tide]

But yeah phys is unique

[potent hornet]

we are gated by xiranite atm, another forge will open up a lot

[craggy pond]

this further reinforces my theory that they'll release lvl 80 or 90 gears as a form of upgrade to max artificed lvl 70s

because no way this is the end

[potent hornet]

yea i can see that

will be red sets

[digital scroll]

Red sets...

[rich linden]

I hate why this is making more and more sense

[frozen tide]

And 2 yrs later lvl 100 gear made from combining 128 lvl90 gear and boss essences

[vestal turtle]

I feel like artificing is already easy right now, I bought like 100+ artificing currency that are being unused the past 2 weeks

[potent hornet]

my guess red sets wil have two set bonuses

[digital scroll]

Just introduce modules already

[craggy pond]

or maybe a bonus stat that's rng, and we would be in grinding hell

[vestal turtle]

im guessing the next gear tier will be orange lv 90 gear

level 100 will prolly come 5 years from now

[craggy pond]

just pattern recognition from other gachas i've played

[vestal turtle]

lol every asian game follow the same patterns its funny

[manic blade]

asian games

[urban plaza]

i think the progression just feels weird, because you can level units up to 90 on release patch
while the actual player level is in the 50s for most

[digital scroll]

Most gachas are like this. Player level doesn't matter. And getting to Level 60 will probably take a couple months. I'm currently 56 with mostly everything done

[urban plaza]

yeah but whats the end lvl for units supposed to be then

[digital scroll]

90 like the original Arknights

[tight haven]

its just gonna be 90 forever

[urban plaza]

then thats weird having that at launch, no?

[tight haven]

suuuuuure?

arknights was also like this

[digital scroll]

It used to be 99 in beta, but got changed to better reflect AK

[tight haven]

yeah

[urban plaza]

mhhm that makes xp way less important then

[potent hornet]

level 180 in Endfield 2: Electric Boogaloo

[frozen tide]

Lvl 100 would scratch my ocd tho

Make that a thing

[digital scroll]

XP for player or characters. Because even in AK it was almost impossible to Level 90 all the characters, as character XP from 80-90 is pretty much double I think from 60-80

[urban plaza]

but then i really wonder what their plan for strength increase is

sure lvl 90 gear at some point

[tight haven]

i think it'll be a lot more manageable for ef

[urban plaza]

but that can't hold forever either

[tight haven]

slower release rate for operators/weapons

[digital scroll]

Why do we need more strength right now?

[next helm]

strenght on characters that aren't the main carry

[digital scroll]

And they can always introduce modules if they need to buff characters

[tight haven]

all gachas sort of run into this issue and have to design... often inelegant solutions around it

[urban plaza]

not now, but there should be some climb

[ocean hawk]

any reason why lifeng on iana sheet for pog, pan, chen, lifeng team uses eternal xiranite? is it because he apply suscept? since I saw some calculation that xiranite has worse overall than swordmancer

[tight haven]

because level stops being a relative measure of strength

[urban plaza]

well usually its done by dupes and having the same boss in different difficulties

[tight haven]

xiranite can result in higher damage overall for your team than 3pc swordmancer

[urban plaza]

but dupes here are not that powerful

[tight haven]

operative term, "can"

[digital scroll]

Yeah, like in AK. Not everything needs to be a 300% gain

[ocean hawk]

can u explain because of what? sets effect? or something ?

[frozen tide]

P5 lifeng dmg brick

[tight haven]

how strong your lifeng is

i think after p2 swordmancer lifeng is just correct(?)

[supple epoch]

New teams xD

[tight haven]

though i heard this from someone else

[drifting quest]

after p2 you get into slab gaming territory anyway

[tight haven]

i havent run the numbers on it

[drifting quest]

whale stuff

[tight haven]

yea

[digital scroll]

This. New characters with better synergy and mechanics

[ocean hawk]

its p2 rn

[frozen tide]

3k atk

[ocean hawk]

got no mountain tho

[tight haven]

p3+ lifeng just becomes your actual subdps

[frozen tide]

Put the xira on

[tight haven]

yeah put xiranite on to keep things simple

lifeng wants mountain bearer to be a subdps

[ocean hawk]

aight

[drifting quest]

xiranite is just comfy via er% and damage without investment

[ocean hawk]

well......

[supple epoch]

Zzz is the best example of this (worse case for f2p gacha players )

[ocean hawk]

i want to pull mountain

but uh

[supple epoch]

Each zzz carry has a completely diff team from release lol

Maybe a 2nd or 3rd or even 4th new team

Jane went from Seth Caesar to Caesar burnice to Astra Vivian to yuzuha Vivian to yuzuha Alice before I quit 🤣 just in a years time Ofc

[ocean hawk]

for the gloves, its prefer the str one right ?

since its the 2nd attrribute of lifeng

[digital scroll]

As long as Endfield doesn't go too crazy with DPR differences, then it should be fine.

[supple epoch]

Yeah my expectation is that first year characters should be similar dpr but different elements / interactions with 1 op unit / team. But that’s not always the case with gacha

Laev clear times feel very reminiscent

[digital scroll]

Like Ardelia and Gilberta are what they should try to keep to

[supple epoch]

Of Ellen in zzz

[tight haven]

yep

[supple epoch]

Ellen baseline was too close to standard characters

And she was quickly made obsolete

[digital scroll]

Would be funny if the fire sword girl becomes the Miyabi to Laev

[supple epoch]

Surely won’t happen to laev

[digital scroll]

Lycia I think was her name

[supple epoch]

Or she’s our dainslef and we will never get her 🤣

[ocean hawk]

aight thanks

and the artifice refer to the breakpoint stated in the sheet right

[outer ermine]

this mf, died 5 secs ago and still pulled off 2 moves b4 he jumps back

[digital scroll]

Talulah moment

[frozen tide]

P2+ lif does have insane synergy with mb

[supple epoch]

Are you vye from old genshin tc 🤔

[ocean hawk]

im gonna try to pull mountain bearer when we got the "increase pull source" update that the dev already announced on the notice

[digital scroll]

Nope. Never played Genshin. Just ZZZ and Wuwa

And Arknights of course

[supple epoch]

Suss 🤣 but if you say so 👀👀👀👀

[frozen tide]

Ooh increased pull source

[digital scroll]

I swear

[frozen tide]

Hopefully i can get 2 more rite pots from that

:clueless:

[supple epoch]

What are we actually getting 👀👀

[frozen tide]

Idk im taking this guys words for it

[supple epoch]

They had a good reputation so you’re good either way 🤣

[frozen tide]

Life would be awesome if i can get p3 rite

P4 would be nice but beggars can't be choosers

[digital scroll]

Increasing Arsenal tickets is all I honestly want. 80 pulls is bit much for guarantee when pulling to 120 doesn't even get you there

[tight haven]

fangyi is going to beat the everloving fuck out of this games damage ceiling

so im just chilling till she comes

[digital scroll]

Gilberta about to cook

[tight haven]

kinda wild that theyre not doing drip marketing for 1.1

[frozen tide]

As long as they don't scale content around her ceiling

I think ill be fine

[drifting quest]

incoming xaihi but for nature dps

(aka xaihi)

[frozen tide]

Xaihi but for a less bricked element

[digital scroll]

Mi Fu is surely a better Perlica

[drifting quest]

do not look at xaihi's buffs

[ocean hawk]

here u go https://endfield.gryphline.com/en-us/news/3846

[digital scroll]

I wonder if that's why they gave out the mail pulls. It seems rushed considering it's a web event

[frozen tide]

What does that mean

If you are talking about her buff amount im very well aware

[digital scroll]

Tangtang will be our Nature DPS. All hail the Supreme Chief Tangtang

[supple epoch]

Exactly his but also

[vestal turtle]

she's gonna be phys trust

[supple epoch]

You’re punished

[modest thorn]

anyone have thoughts on this rotation?

Wulfguard battle skill
Laevatain last strike
Ardelia combo
Wulfguard combo
Gilberta combo
Laevatain combo
Laevatain last strike
Ardelia enhanced battle skill
Wulfguard ultimate
Gilberta ultimate
Wulfguard combo
Laevatain ultimate
Laevatain last strike
Laevatain enhanced battle skill

[supple epoch]

If you pull char early

[vestal turtle]

don't use ardelia and gilberta together

their susceptibility don't stack lol

[modest thorn]

why not?

[digital scroll]

Unless you also pull weapon early

[modest thorn]

oh wtf

[vestal turtle]

better to have akekuri for sp and link buff

[supple epoch]

Def not me lmaoo. I got laev in 60 pulls and Was already 5 deep into mountain 😩.

[modest thorn]

does the higher one take prio?

[tacit cradle]

yvonne rotation ?

[digital scroll]

Standard sig pulls are a scam. I felt scammed going to 80 for Pog sig

[ocean hawk]

the mail pulls is about CNY iirc

[modest thorn]

Also is increase arts damage taken also not stackable?

[vestal turtle]

not necessarily, gilberta makes the rotation overall harder and her susceptiblity last a lot shorter than ardelia's, it depends if you can time gilberta's stuff correctly and if you can fit laev's burst fast enough. Ardelia is better for a consistent rotation

[digital scroll]

I got lucky with limited sigs though, so it evens out

[digital scroll]

I know, but it feels rushed how it's being presented

[modest thorn]

Uhhh so which one takes prio

From what I’ve seen Ardelia + gilberta has the highest burst

[vestal turtle]

gilberta has the higher ratio, though she can steal laev's heat inflicts and her suscept only lasts for 5 seconds iirc. So the prio depends on if you want to speedrun or if you want consistent damage. Former would be gilberta latter would be ardelia

[supple epoch]

I got valiant on my last laev weapon banner pull 😩

[vestal turtle]

the highest possible burst would be gilberta + antal

[ocean hawk]

I got scammed too XD

[digital scroll]

You are cursed 💀

[ocean hawk]

[modest thorn]

The build I’m working on has gilberta’s ult almost always up

[ocean hawk]

well anyway, I kept pulling to get the chest for ascent

[modest thorn]

I’m not worried about the rotation being difficult I want the highest consistent dps which is what I’ve been seeing from my testing

I just constantly cycle ultimates

[vestal turtle]

ake + gilberta is what I'm running

[modest thorn]

But can you explain the stacking thing I’m still kind of confused

[vestal turtle]

because gilberta has nature inflicts on her skill and ult, she would cause an art reaction on a mob that has inflict. If your laev doesn't have 4 melting stacks already, gilberta could steal those heat inflicts thru her nature inflicts before laev absorb them for her melting stacks

so it's really about timing gilberta's ult correctly

[modest thorn]

I mean the arts susceptibility

[vestal turtle]

you also want to use gilberta's combo before her ult to increase her susceptibility

[modest thorn]

Yeah ik im talking about in an ideal situation which is why i have a rotation

I mean the increase is pretty negligible to save the sp for something else

It’s like what, a 2% damage increase?

[vestal turtle]

combos don't cost any sp

3%

[modest thorn]

Oh yeah nvm thought u meant battle skill

[vestal turtle]

so it's essentially a free increase

[modest thorn]

I don’t understand this still tho

Which one applies?

[vestal turtle]

you can only have one art susceptibility stack at a time

[modest thorn]

Is it the higher one that applies?

Or just the most recent

[tight haven]

https://fixupx.com/lifeng_tensai/status/2023282617689522218

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FixupX · Feb 16, 2026, 6:25 AM

it was going so well until the last screenshot

first screenshot too technically

[vestal turtle]

Not sure, haven't tested it

[tight haven]

EMBER?

never mind this is a rich rembrandtian collage of layered environmental storytelling

[next helm]

P5

[vestal turtle]

I mean if she's fully invested it still works 🤷‍♂️ it's just suboptimal

[next helm]

4k atk

[tight haven]

for some weird fucking reason the extra atk from illumination just doesnt show up on his superficial atk display

unless youre in combat

[modest thorn]

Can I check which one is applied or do I just have to do math 😭

[vestal turtle]

just do N1 and compare the dmg

you can also tell by the duration

gilb is shorter

[tight haven]

they do stack

[vestal turtle]

they don't

the tooltip is misleading

[modest thorn]

Also do u know if increase arts damage taken stacks

[vestal turtle]

yes

if you mean with the susceptibility

[modest thorn]

Also idk if it’s true they don’t stack since all the wr runs use gilb + Ardelia

Which seems redundant

[vestal turtle]

@twilit quail do you know why they are running gilb and ardelia

[modest thorn]

Like two separate applications

Two different units/gear applying it

[vestal turtle]

iirc the amps do stack but they have diminishing returns

so you can use an amp from a weapon and an amp from a skill

but they wont be like 16%+8% = 24%, it'll be lower

[modest thorn]

Damn how about increase attack? Is that one also diminishing returns

Also do u know where I can read about this lol

[vestal turtle]

all buffs that increase damage

if they are the exact same type

you won't have diminishing returns if one is +atk% and the other is dmg%

[drifting quest]

lr talent multiplies them all

[vestal turtle]

that's for LR?

[modest thorn]

How about for Laevatain?

[drifting quest]

oh

multiple server issue

its still just

a fuck ton of buffs

[tight haven]

here they are stacking

[tight haven]

this also isnt true, amp/susc/dmg dealt/dmg taken multiplier buckets directly calculate sum, there are no diminishing returns

[vestal turtle]

that's when they are different amps

if you got +atk% and +atk% there's diminshing returns

[tight haven]

wdym different amps

10% arts amp + 20% heat/elec amp = 30% amp for heat/elec damage

[vestal turtle]

there's atk%, dmg% arts%

[tight haven]

okay you should really avoid referring to those as "amps"

"amp" is its own calculation bucket

[vestal turtle]

buffs then if you will

[tight haven]

"increase dmg taken" (colloquially called "fragility") is multiplicative with susceptibility debuffs

(DmgTaken) * (Susceptibility)

[frozen tide]

I do hope iana ends up making the doc he was wondering if he should make

Cause the dmg stuff is super duper confusing

[tight haven]

idt it would matter

people would still come here and just say shit thats wrong

which is fine! as long as they learn something too

[drifting quest]

Yessir

[ocean hawk]

ughhh is this a sign to pull another thermite?, I kept forgetting to swap thermite when changin teams from phys to lae or vice versa

sometimes my akekuri use never rest because of it

[tight haven]

this is a sign to build fortmaker pog

[frozen tide]

Im by no means turbo knowledgable or smart but i know more about tc stuff than the average player atleast and sometimes which buff/debuff goes in which bracket is very confusing

[ocean hawk]

should I just put fort on akekuri

[tight haven]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation#Amp_Multiplier

this page does exist

[ocean hawk]

since thermite is preferred right ?

for pog

[tight haven]

and it answers most questions about the damage calc

[tight haven]

no fort is for pog

to increase the efficacy of his breach

[frozen tide]

I did not know this existed

Works perfectly for the purpose i need

[tight haven]

it rly should be pinned here imo

[frozen tide]

Figuring out which multiplier is which bucket

[tight haven]

ill ask opal to pin it later if i see them

i suppose

[ocean hawk]

aaaaa

[tight haven]

lmao

[safe sand]

me when the 5% dmg share

[tight haven]

if you want the real answer, yes thermite is the bis for pog

for the atk buff

but you can also build around fortmaker

[modest thorn]

So they can stack?

[tight haven]

but its kind of dogshit for aoe scenarios

[drifting quest]

some do some dont

last i heard

because haha of course

[frozen tide]

Thermite isn't even close to never rest or fort

[tight haven]

yes i posted a video of this happening with specifically gil + arde above

[modest thorn]

Like if I have ardelia’s enhanced battle skill and gilberta’s ultimate what happens there 😭

[frozen tide]

Its just that good

[modest thorn]

Oh ok gotcha

[tight haven]

they both stack

[drifting quest]

gilb and ard should stack

[modest thorn]

Which ones wouldn’t?

[tight haven]

i genuinely have no clue

[distant python]

What about ardelia and lifeng?

[tight haven]

lifeng also stacks with arde, not shown in that vid but i did test

[frozen tide]

Ones that explicitly state they don't stack with x or under x condition

[tight haven]

yeah

id imagine thats the case

[modest thorn]

Oh I didn’t even know those existed lol

[ocean hawk]

its a sign to pull another thermite, sigh....

[drifting quest]

i think someone said like

estella's dont stack right

[frozen tide]

Also same arts reactions don't stack on top of itself

[drifting quest]

but i havent tested myself

[modest thorn]

Also do u know how it stacks? Is it multiplicative or additive or diminishing

[drifting quest]

additive with each other

anything in the same bracket of damage calc is additive

[modest thorn]

Ooh gotcha gotcha

[drifting quest]

anything in a different bracket is multiplicative

[frozen tide]

Same name effects are always additive to each other

The confusing part is when non same name stuff is additive

[modest thorn]

Also one interaction I’m not sure about is if I apply combustion to someone with combustion what happens

[frozen tide]

Combustion does not stack i believe

[tight haven]

combustion duration resets

[modest thorn]

Namely if I wulf ult, gilberta ult and wulf combo does clannibal trigger

[frozen tide]

I don't actually know if it'd reset with same strength

If you reset 4 stack combustion with 2 stack

Is it 2 stack strength

[safe sand]

wtf ive never heard of weaken

[distant python]

Probably less, like breach does

[frozen tide]

Would be consistent

Since its like that with corrosion as well

[distant python]

Because it's on catcher

[safe sand]

[frozen tide]

Which would incline me to believe that would be the same for electrification as well

[safe sand]

unreal

[tight haven]

non-catcher player detected

launching icbms...

[frozen tide]

I honestly don't know a single thing about catcher

Outside of him being a greatsword defender

[modest thorn]

I know he can move

[safe sand]

[potent hornet]

fuggin done

[distant python]

I know he can solo umbral agony 3

[modest thorn]

Also if I have vulnerability one someone and I apply a heat inflictions they both just sit there right

Cause they do sit in the same position

[tight haven]

yes

[distant python]

Physical doesn't interact with anything except itself and solidified enemies

[frozen tide]

9 9 9 khravengger is crazy work smh

[tight haven]

inflictions and vulnerability dont interact with each other

[frozen tide]

I am wallet locked at 9 9 5

[modest thorn]

Gotcha bet

[tight haven]

the only reaction that interacts with physical statuses is solidifcation as schling said

[frozen tide]

What

[tight haven]

which triggers shatter when you apply vuln or a phys status

[frozen tide]

I didn't say nuffin

[tight haven]

oh

hmm

dementia

[safe sand]

watching enion metaphorically crash a car rn

[distant python]

Good one

[safe sand]

anyway

[frozen tide]

What does that mean

[tight haven]

im sorry goat.

[safe sand]

do yall have invested chens

[frozen tide]

Nah

[drifting quest]

mid tier investment i guess

[safe sand]

trying to decide how far i should go given she's a nontrivial part of phys comp dmg

[frozen tide]

Chen is goated but useless for me

[safe sand]

have her at 80/80 for both her and weapon atm

[drifting quest]

80/80, 80 wep, 9/9/9/9, like 4/4/2 essence? no artificing

[distant python]

She's mostly there for vulnerable stacks

[frozen tide]

Chens kit is rly rly good

[drifting quest]

good enough for me right now

[frozen tide]

Shes a large portion of phys comp dmg

As well as being a major vuln applier

[safe sand]

do you use her as the batker

[tight haven]

yea

[safe sand]

i suppose she's just better endmin in that regard

[drifting quest]

i use all 4 phys units to batk

[tight haven]

she has good ass animations

traditionally you swap to lifeng for finishers

[frozen tide]

When do you pog

[safe sand]

me when i want to batk with lifeng but his dumbass 4 second long skill exists

[drifting quest]

whenever there's other animations going on

[tight haven]

thats why you dont control lifeng yeah

[distant python]

Why lifeng for finisher?

[tight haven]

big damage

[drifting quest]

chen first batk (if rhodagn) > to pog

[frozen tide]

Lif has highest atk in the game

[tight haven]

his atk stat is just naturally the most pumped

[frozen tide]

And mb

[tight haven]

nobody beats him if he has sig

[safe sand]

lifeng with stacks gives him like, almost 5k? atk

[frozen tide]

What about p5 rapid chen

[tight haven]

you can get it up to like 13k

[frozen tide]

Wouldn't that do nuts for finisher

[distant python]

Finishers are affected by physical damage boost no?

[tight haven]

maaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyybe?

whenever i timeline shit its assuming p5 sundered bc its what i have

[safe sand]

rapid only gives dmg boost to bskill and ulti no

[distant python]

I finished with my ember, since she's my normal basic attacker anyway with M3 basics

[frozen tide]

Ur right

I thought it had base stagger dmg increase

But its stagger dmg increase for bs and ult

[safe sand]

pov lifeng finisher on a breached staggerred vulnerable susceptible enemy

[distant python]

She's at like 4.3k attack and nearly 100% physical damage bonus

[frozen tide]

Lifeng atk is just absurd

[tight haven]

i actually complained about illumination seeming like a "useless" passive in cbt

[frozen tide]

What happens if you double slab him

[distant python]

I only have chimeric for him so

[frozen tide]

How high can you get his atk

[tight haven]

before calcs were figured out

and uh nooooooo

[distant python]

My lifeng is built for arts intensity

[tight haven]

having every stat be a secondary stat is very very very good actually

[distant python]

With aethertech

Am I trolling

[tight haven]

thats kinda trolling but the haters can go fuck themselves

[distant python]

What is the lifeng build

Also

I don't have sig

Or valiant

[tight haven]

ah

[distant python]

So he's on chimeric

[tight haven]

then 3pc xiranite

hes an ult bot

[distant python]

Gg

[safe sand]

lifeng's passive is specifically dmg% vs staggered right

same type/bucket as other dmg%

[frozen tide]

Lif only viable weaps are the 2 physical 6 star weaps

[tight haven]

mountain bearer you mean?

yes

[frozen tide]

He basically doesn't have a 5 star alternative

[safe sand]

oop yea

[tight haven]

the efficacy passive is dmg vs stagger

[warm galleon]

Ohh same as perlica

[distant python]

Okay so I don't use him then and replace him with ardelia

[frozen tide]

🤔

[safe sand]

feel like you still use lifeg

you just live with the 10% team damage loss or whatever

[distant python]

Ardelia has more susceptibility

[safe sand]

i mean if you run ardelia how are you going to build vuln stacks

[distant python]

Chen

[frozen tide]

You can still use him but if you wanna roll with phys you should try to cop a valiant from somewhere

At some point

Valiant will be back as weekly at some point

[safe sand]

without lifeng ult you have to spend 300sp every rotation

[distant python]

I mean I'm pogless also

So

[safe sand]

[distant python]

Don't need to stack for breach

Trollge

[safe sand]

just go play shatter at this point 😭

[frozen tide]

What level are you

[distant python]

I have selector

[frozen tide]

Authority level

[distant python]

I'm just not using it yet

55

[frozen tide]

[safe sand]

[frozen tide]

Is phys your main comp

[distant python]

Yes

I was using ember, Chen, endmin and lifeng

[frozen tide]

Pog is like

Essential

[distant python]

For bosses kinda

[frozen tide]

Pure phys does not function without him

[distant python]

For mobs not really

Lifeng better for mobs

[frozen tide]

You can kill every mob with like a lvl 50 catcher

[distant python]

Umbral

[safe sand]

you can clear umbral with a level 50 catcher

[distant python]

Umbral mobbing, lifeng better

[distant python]

Takes effort then

Only thing that's really DPS locked is trimmed recrisis

[safe sand]

i mean tbh does it really matter if you can get the 3 boss trims

atm

yea

if you can do that it really doesn't matter yet

[distant python]

I haven't tried going for trims

[safe sand]

it just feels really off from a teambuilding perspective

[distant python]

I'll eventually get pog then try it

[safe sand]

you should try

[distant python]

Double sustain clear go brrr

Ember + ardelia

[frozen tide]

The point is that pog increases phys output by a shitload to the point where theres no reason or advantages to running pure phys without him

[distant python]

For bosses yeah

[safe sand]

shatter my beloved

[frozen tide]

Sure

[distant python]

But breach seems pointless against mobs

[frozen tide]

I mean for overworld gilb is just bis in that sense

[distant python]

Rather have lifeng for more aoe damage Vs mobs

[frozen tide]

Just vacuume all of them

[distant python]

I do have P1 gil

[safe sand]

real talk @distant python have you seen the 'overworld team' in the teambuild doc

lmfao

[distant python]

I am currently building electric as 2nd team

[distant python]

Lol

My overworld is ardelia, ember Chen endmin

Lazy time

[tight haven]

nvm its vs vulnerable

not stagger

mixed em up

[distant python]

I'm ngl I've never really struggled for skill points

Since I don't need to spam skills for breach into crush

[safe sand]

i said it first my bad

[distant python]

And ember regens a fuck ton with just basics and endmins sp refund

[safe sand]

but yeah the main thing i wanted to know is if it was dmg% bucket

[tight haven]

oh yeah it is

[distant python]

Combined with high stagger from ember

Infinity sp from finishers

[daring dove]

Laevatain > Ardelia > Gilberta > Akekuri for me

[distant python]

I have no lava

[warm galleon]

Surprisingly perlica+gilberta pretty much has perma lift active just from ba spam

[distant python]

Her team just didn't interest me

[modest thorn]

also is increase arts damage taken not stackable as well

[frozen tide]

If you double slab jakub stanza thermite ember p5 ult to buff lifengs atk can you get his atk past 20k

[daring dove]

Shes a great all rounder to be fair with minimal downsides outside of needing heat.

[distant python]

You mean 20k?

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[distant python]

That is

Quite silly

[daring dove]

What do you mean?

[muted charm]

Does anyone with a good understanding of the damage formula know if the 180 atk from meat stew goes into fixed attack part to which only attribute atk% apply and normal atk% buffs don't apply to or is it to total atk

[drifting quest]

the former

[daring dove]

Food buffs increase base attack last I checked you don't need to understand the damage formula. Just click on the characters attack total it will tell you.

[next helm]

You get like 800 atk

[safe nymph]

if it applies to base atk that means you could have an insane atk increase with double lynx

[frozen tide]

The term base atk

Hmm

Base attack is just character attack from base+weapon attack

Attribute bonus and other atk thingies do not contribute to base atk

Which is what atk percent amplifies

This is then added to the portion attribute bonus is calculated

[tight haven]

yeah you can see it here

sorry heres him deployed to show it properly

poverty statline because artificing is not nice to me

and etching 💔

but even with that

[frozen tide]

How does a level 90 lifeng have 3k atk

[tight haven]

illumination p3 straight-up buffs his atk by over 700

[frozen tide]

My perlica has higher atk with stanza equipped and without the effect active

🥀

[tight haven]

this is why

[frozen tide]

[tight haven]

stanza also has passive atk on it

[next helm]

Don't you need to proc the weapon

[tight haven]

no stanza just has atk% on its second line

[next helm]

No I mean mountain

[tight haven]

oh yeah you do

[frozen tide]

It only has 4 3 2 essence rn tho

[tight haven]

one second i can proc it

[frozen tide]

I've been having horrible luck with stanza essencing

[potent hornet]

i hate its only wuling 🙁

[vestal turtle]

pog fastest runner in the game

[potent hornet]

was trying for forgeborn and stanza this moring with the wuling tickets i could snag

didn't get either

[next helm]

You could grab the laev weapons one

[tight haven]

just mb proced

[next helm]

hmm

[frozen tide]

P3 lifeng and gilb

Publicly execute this man and spread his wealth

I dare not see how high is mb pot is

🥶

[potent hornet]

hides roster

[tight haven]

i should probably figure out if slab is better or worse assuming p5 mb

[manic blade]

How soon do we think 2 team is coming

[frozen tide]

3 piece swordmancer is rly good no

[manic blade]

Noob has green flower

[tight haven]

given it has a fat 22.4% stat bonus alr

[potent hornet]

why would they have content that requires two teams?

[tight haven]

it is quite good

[potent hornet]

is that a thing in og arknights?

[frozen tide]

Every gacha eventually succumbs to such fate

[potent hornet]

ahh

[stiff eagle]

It’s a way to get people to want more characters, thus pay more money

[manic blade]

People build one team and then lose sight of who to upgrade get bored and stop playing so implement multi team endgame (+ helps incentivize pulling new chars)

[tight haven]

dapan phys team feels kinda bad

idk

just so much wasteage atm

[pure spoke]

did they change the umbral medal or am i tripping?

[potent hornet]

i'm done pulling, don't hate me

[frozen tide]

Endmin has crazy buffs and multipliers I have always wondered how da pan competes in dmg

[tight haven]

its not actually bad but having to just throw away sp because of ult energy its blegh

[tight haven]

p5 is a big factor

[frozen tide]

Fucking 1800 percent mult on ult

[tight haven]

reduced combo time passive

[potent hornet]

no lifeng, but i guess i will get him eventually through basics

[vestal turtle]

no yvonne and no lifeng, keep pulling broski

[potent hornet]

ehh

i'm out atm

[vestal turtle]

💳

[potent hornet]

nope

spent enough

got what i wanted

if they want more money from me, TangTang better be good

[frozen tide]

They let us save for a banner with yvonne thankfully

[stiff eagle]

A pot 4 last rite?

[frozen tide]

To recouperate from laev and gilb

[potent hornet]

with p5 kragg

[modest thorn]

anyone know of a tool where i can see how much it takes to charge an ult?

[frozen tide]

In talent tab

Every ult has energy requirement listed

[tight haven]

its just arithmetic from there

combo skill = 10 sp

[drifting quest]

doesnt take much effort to make a quick one in excel

[tight haven]

any battle skill = 6.5 sp

[potent hornet]

just need to finish artificing for LR and the last couple masteries

[drifting quest]

trying to do it for the whole team and have it be plug and play and account for nuances

i quit

[tight haven]

also account for bonus ult energy

[frozen tide]

Returned sp usage does not give energy

[modest thorn]

[dry kindle]

Unless you're arclight

🔥

[outer ermine]

least bugged interaction

ig i get an extra stack

[frozen tide]

Is this umbral

I had a cryo stack bug in umbral earlier today

[outer ermine]

rhod, i gave up on those 2

[frozen tide]

I lr combo skilled an enemy with 3 cryo stacks

The combo skill like dissapeared into thin air

Then next combo skill I killed them

But they retained the 4 cryo stack

And when they came back to life still had the stacks

[outer ermine]

tf

[frozen tide]

The crossbow stage thingy

With 2 guys

[outer ermine]

wait did it cancel the cs

[peak void]

does wulf p5 cs > ult > cs cancel the first cs

i feel like it doesnt but just wanna make sure

[bitter cove]

if u do it too quickly yes, u can actually cancel it

[next helm]

Can you combo skill immediately

[bitter cove]

just ult after the cs land

[peak void]

im tryna get the heat inflic on first cs, but also have it proc the activation criteria for the 2nd one

being real greedy with the sp type shi

[bitter cove]

if u use antal, u can

wulf cs > wulf ult > antal cs > wulf cs

w/o him, i dont think u can save sp

or just use 3rd hit of laev's BA ulted

[peak void]

yea thats what ive been doing

but what if im not running antal yk

laev ult is good too but its not always on

[craggy pond]

don't

literally the entire tech is so his combo skill generate energy for the next ult

you do cs -> ult -> cs in quick successions and your next ult gets a free 20 energy

it's what makes the 2 cs + 2bs rotation possible on him

[frozen tide]

Huh

[bitter cove]

we talking about wulf right?
wasting 1 heat so he can ult more kinda pointless no?
coz u want his ult to reset his cs so he can inflict more heat

[craggy pond]

you're not wasting any heat, doing that doesn't cancel out his combo skill

you hit both combo skills and generate energy for the next ult

[peak void]

wait wait wait

wulf cs is a projectile right

[craggy pond]

his combo skill is a projectile

[bitter cove]

oh so u meant like, as long as his projectile alrd thrown, u can just ult

is that it

[craggy pond]

it regens when it hits

[peak void]

yeah its a frag grenade

so he can throw it then ult

then when it lands, ult over, u get the heat inflic

and the energy

[craggy pond]

yep

the first combo skill procs for the second combo, in fact

it's pretty much the entire point of building obj on him

[peak void]

banger tech

[craggy pond]

so he can hit the 232% or 241% break point for a 2 cs + 2 bs rotation

[peak void]

finally no more antal crutch

dgmw antal is good but i dont slot him every fight

[bitter cove]

i been doing that but phone camera sometimes so sht i just do the convenient way

[summer flower]

new umbral?

or just previous one?

[stray thunder]

Still trying to understand how to plan for fights/play this team better overall
And understand the theory behind how best to use the skills
These are each under a minute clips of killing farming stages would anyone mind quickly reviewing if theres any obvious things i should do better/diff?

I gotta review some stuff i seen ppl send abt skill order for similar teams still too im still going off vibes/intuition

[next helm]

I think akekuri for more sp so you can bskill earlier

But I am no expert

[rugged kiln]

Is gilberta worth the mastery?

[stray thunder]

Ive seen Akekuri in this team in place of ardelia but i wanna try w ardelia too

[next helm]

1 mastery into ult is very worthwile

[frozen tide]

M1 ult is worth

[summer flower]

doesnt electrification eat your corrosion?

[stray thunder]

M1 is a breakpoint for susceptibility up

[distant python]

no, reactions cant eat other reactions, its the inflictions you have to worry about

[summer flower]

Just asking corrosion dissapeared moment perlica hit

Or was it nature thingy?

Green thingy dissapeared when perlica hit

[distant python]

if next to healbar

thats infliction

if under healthbar

thats corrosion

you can have both electrification and corrosion on an enemy

[summer flower]

so yea, nature infliciton dissapeared then

[distant python]

ye

[summer flower]

is it beneficial or detrimental?

[distant python]

good

you cause electrification then

which is +arts damage

[summer flower]

not with that

perlica is forced electrification

[distant python]

perlica skill

[summer flower]

perlica combo

[distant python]

is electric infliction

[summer flower]

it got hit by combo

and dissapeared

while forced was done

[distant python]

which clip and time stamp

[summer flower]

25th sec left one

[torn pilot]

is there a guide somewhere for minmaxing my rooms in dijiang?

[bitter cove]

a vid about farming stages doesnt really tell tbh
doing boss like rhodagn would be better

[stray thunder]

ok noted ty

[bitter cove]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1L5c4zQE1U/

this one is a good reference but diff team

[stray thunder]

ill try rhodagn sometime prolly after i look over some stuff

[distant python]

no thats her skill consuming it, if you go frame by frame you see the green has gone before perlica finishes her combo skill animation

[bitter cove]

bnnuy ake perlica gil

[stray thunder]

(i havent given much thought to my equipment yet so ignore what i have equipped rn) but is grand vision good for endmin? thinking the originium crystals effect seems like its meant to mesh w her

[potent hornet]

it is her sig

[stray thunder]

o is it lol ty

had a feeling by the crystals being there but wasnt sure

is there an ez way to tell these things

[potent hornet]

google

[stray thunder]

stuff i got early was a blur for me

ah ok ty

[bitter cove]

either this or docs on pin

[distant python]

electrification just applied through reaction before perlica combo has actually gone off

[drifting quest]

recommended button is not great

for quite a few units

[bitter cove]

recommended doesnt always better since it can be different case/team

[summer flower]

and nature is visible just frame before

[bitter cove]

so its always better to put thought into what u use
or just read the docs

[summer flower]

last visible frame for nature is before perlica was selected

[eternal ruin]

.roadmap

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468631838695100592/my-toughts-after-100h-as-a-brand-new-gacha-player-v0-bqokg61ag3hg1.png?ex=6984b97c&is=698367fc&hm=1d9878061e5afb7ee7e2e8962a56f98397918e0aac3faa4bb9fe78c44e44697e&

[distant python]

yes becuase there is some delay in the visuals for nature to fade but this electric proc can only come from reaction since perlica hasnt done her combo yet

[summer flower]

by what?

[stray thunder]

it was sloppy by me for this situation, but it was proc-ing perlica bskill which proc-ed electrification off the nature infliction

[distant python]

skill

if you look just before at perlica animation its her skill animation

[summer flower]

okay then it wasnt sloppy

[stray thunder]

im literally blind and did not see this on screen somehow tyty

damn i gotta use my eyes better but im grateful ppl here been helpful

[distant python]

0 sp and perlica in skill animation

[summer flower]

yea yea i see it now

kinda hectic and it being video from different device didnt help seeing it

[distant python]

ye

i had to rewatch a few times

[summer flower]

its a bit more indicated on mobile

[stray thunder]

ye crowded video cuz i just wanted to grab smth quick while i did farm runs so it was mainly a check if i was doing anything glaringly dumb

[distant python]

wasted perlica sp imo

you proc electrification

just to immediately combo

and reproc electrification

at a potentially lower level

not sure on how forced procs work

[next helm]

Isn't it highest stays

[distant python]

no

[next helm]

I thought I saw people talk about reapplying 4 stack corrosion

I've been wrong tho

[distant python]

at least going by how breach works

most recent is what stays

i dont use arts teams

so

(i dont have pog either)