theorycrafting

[narrow rover]

ahh i want to like have QoL in like, after i click a weapon I can see if i already own essences that match the engraving

[distant python]

I don't think pog is mandatory unless single target

[narrow rover]

does the website offer something like that?\

[summer flower]

Ehh really?

[distant python]

Left side of your essences has the most matches

With he weapon

[summer flower]

I have pog, i had him used for a bit

Stopped

[distant python]

Proccing breach on a mob that's gonna die in 4 hits seems pointless

Just use lifeng instead of aoe damage

[narrow rover]

ohh but i also wanna check unownedd weps too is ther something like that?

[summer flower]

For overworld mobs its chen, chen combo, endmin combo

[distant python]

No, but you can check what weapon each alluvium can drop perfect essences for

[narrow rover]

or wait im probably not thinking neough hmm

[frigid vector]

from my testing it seems like they just have separate run down time

[summer flower]

So 3 hits

[frigid vector]

so they do not stack with themselves, but do stack with each other

using ult only has perlica hit for 211 with no atk % buff and electrification*

[frozen tide]

Amazing wording by the hg eng translating team

[narrow rover]

hmmmm ok

[distant python]

Overworld who cares, I was thinking stuff like stage 1 and 2 of umbral, pog seems worse than lifeng

[narrow rover]

i see now

so beforee i farm an alluvium

i just go to the website and check what i want

i see now

ok this really is a QoL

[frigid vector]

using combo only has her hit for 192 once atk % and electrification from combo drop

[narrow rover]

good websiteeee

[frigid vector]

using ult then combo has her hit for 231, higher than either

[next helm]

Why are all disc videos broken for me

I hear sound but vid doesn't play

[frigid vector]

same with combo then ult, order is irrelevant

you can see both buff icons on the char portrait too

tbh I'm not compressing them

each one of these is like 200mb...

[distant python]

Nitro user

[frigid vector]

maybe I should have warned in case of mobile data

😔

[frozen tide]

Oblivion is kinda nuts

I didn't know it stacked like that

[distant python]

I have P1 oblivion

[frozen tide]

Theres not rly any dps arts unit chars tho

[distant python]

I got it back to back while pulling for Gil sig

[next helm]

Perlica

[distant python]

The chance of no arts DPS unit being released is slim

[next helm]

but game is just statstick sim

[distant python]

And perlica does use it okay

Det unit would be nicers though

[frozen tide]

Do you use perlica main dps

[distant python]

I need either det unit or chivalric for xaihi at some point

[oak vigil]

Perlica and Wulfgard

[distant python]

I took jet for avy over det unit

[frozen tide]

Wulf is not arts unit

[distant python]

Wulfgard is hand canon

[oak vigil]

OOOH RIGHT, you meant that way, fair

Then yeah, just Perlica

[distant python]

Forbidden DPS antal

[frozen tide]

I don't think its ever worth it to invest in perlica sub dps unless you run electro tho

Perlica in lr comp is better off stacking buffs for lr

[distant python]

Det unit yeah

[oak vigil]

I mean it is possible, I am building DPS Antal and this is progress so far for it

[distant python]

But xaihi better user of det until in LR comps no?

[frozen tide]

Has anyone mathed out deto perlica vs oblivion perlica on full invest electro

[oak vigil]

Although needs like lots of tincering to make it work

[frozen tide]

You run stanza on perlica with lr

[distant python]

True

What's stanzas passive proc conditions?

[next helm]

Every game should just have dps, subdps' and some supports

[frozen tide]

Stanza is disgusting

Ulting

Is the condition

[distant python]

Lol yeah broken

[next helm]

Not everything resulting in supports and one main carry

[frozen tide]

And perlicas ult is low cost low cd

[distant python]

Perlica can spam ults

I would say run full xiranite set for ult gen but I think xaihi better user of it

Actually can perlica even proc xiranite?

[frozen tide]

You need arts intensity to buff her electrification

[distant python]

True

[frozen tide]

And with lr you just align ult for lrs cs>ult anyw which means you don't need ult gain on perlica

[distant python]

Pulsar set it is

[oak vigil]

Isn't there like a specific gear bonus which works for Perlica perfectly?

On elictrification application one

[frigid vector]

I think maygi had wild wanderer at 97.5% and oblivion at 100% when gilberta is in

but she calced with antal using det unit

[distant python]

Yeah it's pulsar

[frigid vector]

not sure what the det unit vs perlica only would be

[frozen tide]

Pulsar is rly good for perlica it gives arts intensity has mostly correct stat subline and the set bonus gives both more arts int and dmg

[distant python]

Is pulsar also LR gear?

Or does LR want something different

[frozen tide]

Hmm

[frozen tide]

Are you asking if last rite runs pulsar?

[distant python]

Ye

[frozen tide]

She runs 3 piece tide surge always

[twilit quail]

arts intensity lr

[distant python]

Stacking cryo infliction

Arts burst

[frozen tide]

That's like

If you try it lmk how it goes bro

[oak vigil]

Did anyone ever found a way to make combust arts reactions AS ITSELF useful or it's like dead on arrival only useful for arts consumption?

The one which just deals fire damage over time for the duration of it

[distant python]

I don't even own lr

[oak vigil]

Like, electric reaction has bonus arts damage, poison reactions has less resistance

fire reaction is... existing to get consumed?

[distant python]

DPS wolfgard cope?

Tbf, solidification does nothing by itself , it's just procs certain characters kits like Yvonne or for shatter comp

[frozen tide]

Combustion is kinda just ass

[twin plover]

Think they'd need to release a dedicated DPS for just that with buffs to intensity or maybe even some changes to combustion mechanics to make it work but the potential is there

Throw enough buffs at something and at some point it will be meta

[distant python]

Just give a character damage amp when attacking burning targets

Easy

Or make a dot archetype

Kits are simple rn cause it's 1.0

[oak vigil]

Actually, what if combustion makes vulnerability damage amp? Ember's fire will be useful for this

[distant python]

In general causing reactions by mixing elements is barely useful

[distant python]

Ember doesn't have heat inflict

Lol

[oak vigil]

oh right. I forgot it's just fire damage in her kit 💔

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-headgehog-tails-miles-tails-doll-adovka-gif-7340839229634594397

[drifting quest]

surely [scenario] will make ember usable case #32

[distant python]

All reaction that seems to be used rn are through forced procs like perlica combo skill

Or ardelia

No team actually using sp to inflict then more sp to cause T4 reaction

[frozen tide]

There will be a dps that has a talent that scales their atk with the amount of shield hp they have

Ember will then be meta

[distant python]

Closest you get it physical teams

[drifting quest]

and ember will still not be good because they will have in kit shield and/or we will have better shielders

[frozen tide]

Stack the shield

[distant python]

Perlica stagger team

Surely perlica + phys team could be good, use swordmancer characters + ember to stagger boss then perlica bonus damage + finisher

[twin plover]

But if they released a support that gives [phone] ATK to Sankta Fire Defenders whose name rhymes with "member"....

[frozen tide]

Perlica phys

[oak vigil]

*locked under the requirment of getting hit 1000 thousand times

And the name of the character will be Green Ember, with -1 defense to her name

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-dmc-green-mode-challenge-me-in-green-mode-challenge-gif-9005045723808495353

[frigid vector]

tbh as it stands

our defenders all apply protection but

only ember applies shields directly via her ult right?

some busted weapon/set that demands shielding rather than protection could be the sauce

actually

catcher combo does shields too

catcher ember duo bet

[frozen tide]

Day 14 of discussing future patches that will make ember yvonne meta

[frigid vector]

I need to make a yvonne video

send me literally everything on her please I need it

[twilit quail]

I did doc update on her recently it has everything that is like

[frigid vector]

I legit didn't understand why alesh was the pick and then it dawned on me it's literally just thermite bot

[twilit quail]

at all practical

he can use thermite and he can apply a stack for free sometimes

therefore he is better than all of the competition

[frigid vector]

yes and it's so darn tragic that's the case

[twilit quail]

yeah this unit is pathetic

brawling with teams that have no 6*

[frigid vector]

does her ult gain on bskill scale on mobs at least, can there be some

alesh ult and then consume bajillion stacks use case for instant ult

[twilit quail]

hahahahahaha

[oak vigil]

Alesh choosing either being stuck to Estella 24/7, either being a thermite merchant

[frigid vector]

there must be something

it can't be this tragic

[oak vigil]

I need to re-read his kit, hold on, I might come out with something

[twilit quail]

oh

dude

you dont know

[frigid vector]

BRUH

it's fucking over

[twilit quail]

where this shit even starts

AHAHA

[frigid vector]

nah

there has to be something out there

[twilit quail]

it's just pure undiluted misery

[frigid vector]

what's

her total combo rotation time at least

was the stagger build any good

[oak vigil]

don't you love relying on rng on your move to apply bonus damage

what is this

[twilit quail]

stagger build is like

[frigid vector]

I gotta get my hands on a yvonne to lab routes or something

[twilit quail]

you have to use estella and that's just

that's just no good

[unreal light]

Why the Estella hate

[twilit quail]

she is not good in yvonne

is all

[unreal light]

Ahh Yvonne

[twilit quail]

the most fucked up thing is that sometimes yvonne has to take her

[unreal light]

I didn’t read it correctly

[twilit quail]

because she cant stagger boss to ult them in a reasonable timeframe

you just have to eat the massive net damage loss and deal with it

[unreal light]

What do you say of thermite cutter on Alesh

Versus fortmaker

[twilit quail]

I mean there isnt anything else to use

for yvonne 1 more stack per rotation is not better than atk

because she desperately needs atk

her weapon has no ATK%

[unreal light]

What if he’s not for Estella

[oak vigil]

Okay so, he has a synergy of a wet towel, stuck to Estella currently due to lack of cryo units, I take my words back 💔

[unreal light]

But like for some other team

How does one stack 600 int to

[twilit quail]

I mean he is weird unit cause he can only play in shatter

yvonne uses him because she doesnt have better options

he can reasonably easily get like 500

with only a tiny bit of artificing

[unreal light]

Do I use gear that gives +10% substat?

[twilit quail]

it's a bit of ult gain and int

usually he doesnt get to use frontier

bceause ult gain is too important

sets like

frontier chest + tube

xiranite hand and ult gain seal

are common

[unreal light]

I believe fortmaker gives a lot of ult and int and stuff

[twilit quail]

fortmaker is good

it just isnt thermite

[hidden lantern]

Is it me or should I hate receiving gifts from the operators? The gifts are usually trash

[frozen tide]

Thermite can just give 28 percent atk to the whole team

[unreal light]

If one has p5

[frozen tide]

Even at p0 its 16 percent

Which is rly good

[unreal light]

It’s 16

[frozen tide]

You are right

[unreal light]

Yeah was comparing glorious never rest to thermite today

I feel like we’re going to be hunting for crits once they release lvl90 gear

So we remove flints

And never rest will become great forever

[frozen tide]

Iana would all the optimal stuff change if they release sets with atk percent on individual pieces

Since atk percent would be much more plentiful

Theres purples with atk percent on it i don't see why future golds couldn't

[drifting quest]

depends how much

and on what set bonus

and what units we have

weapons

[twilit quail]

I mean I think the answer to that would be quite obvious

[drifting quest]

buffs

[unreal light]

The more atk the better the never rest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461535111223967764/1468145696912838717/GIF_20260203_134514_475.gif

[frozen tide]

How much should be in proportion to everything

So we can make a good guess rn

[drifting quest]

it depends ™

[twilit quail]

i mean all we would need is like a system where

we get to equip 1 piece of lv90 gear only for each char

and that one lv90 gear

has a chunk of atk%

say 18-20%

that would be all we need to shake a lot up

[frigid vector]

eagerly awaiting for a future endgame mode to make use of a buff selection per stage that completely fucks stat saturation

[twilit quail]

oh dude

incoming

[twilit quail]

this piece + 2x slab

[frozen tide]

The gear percent sublines are consistent within the same tier unless they are on non-set piece I find it very reasonable to assume atk percent would scale up from purple to gold the same way other gear percents does and that it'd be consistent with all the gear

[drifting quest]

id love to have tag system for any endgame mode
give us tags to make it easier that reduce points or tags to make it harder that increase points
set X points or whatever to trim

so you can take the 25% attack but it might mean you also have to give enemies 50% more hp or something

[unreal light]

Endfield players invented CContracts

[drifting quest]

cc never really dips into the 'take positive tags but reduce score' often

usually buff tags are 0 risk

[tight haven]

high-trust society

woke is back. 15 minute cities. #lablolfordijiang

[tight haven]

sometimes they give ginseng stew

[west moon]

endgame: 2.4 pulls
chinese new year: 24 pulls

The priorities man

[tight haven]

i really dont think umbral is supposed to be endgame

i dont know it just feels too easy

[west moon]

Agony is anything but easy

[tight haven]

doesnt scale enough for whales/sweats

[west moon]

I'm day 1 player

[oak vigil]

'oh hi endmin!!! here have a gift I carefully made for you!'

gives firebuck powder

[drifting quest]

id expect umbral will get harder they just giga undercooked it for 1.0

[tight haven]

true

maybe ill be eating my words in 6 days

[west moon]

I hope they'll never reuse damage mist

[oak vigil]

It is not endgame though? Nowhere mentioned that it's an endgame, it's more of a side gamemode

[drifting quest]

next one will probably be similarly easy

[tight haven]

when we get the aggeloi umbral stages

[drifting quest]

1.1, 1.2 starts to get harder

[tight haven]

this is my opinion of it too

[west moon]

What would be endgame mode then?

[drifting quest]

prob 1.3+ where it starts to become 'hard' i guess

[tight haven]

they feel like the equivalent of like

arknights h stages

[oak vigil]

Weeeell, not what we have now as of current. We aren't really even close to it

[drifting quest]

umbral is like pretty directly comparable to the spiral abyss', the tower of advertisy's, etc.

[tight haven]

something like IS i guess?

[drifting quest]

rotating, pull currency source, hard(er) content

[unreal light]

As if they didn’t believe in their players

[tight haven]

highly replayable longform content

[west moon]

I hope devs rework etchspace salvage

[drifting quest]

fixed stages

[west moon]

It's just garbo rn

[frozen tide]

I fw spiral much heavier than umbral

Umbral is boring af

[drifting quest]

better this than something like hsr moc 1.0

[twilit quail]

mmm

[drifting quest]

genshin 1.0 abyss was also mid too iirc

[twilit quail]

16 corssbows

[tight haven]

yeah idk my issue is that it is just

[twilit quail]

I mean who gives a fuck

[tight haven]

too easy

[twilit quail]

at this point

endgame is never real

until like a year in anyway

[tight haven]

yeah we'll see by then

i just want my IS equivalent

[twilit quail]

I do hope it comes around faster

just to fucking filter out people saying dogshit team and build is good

[west moon]

give us resources
give us 100 pulls/patch
give us ops
Or We retire

What was AK annihilation mode like?

[drifting quest]

anni can be fun but are like

super annoying to actually lab out

[unreal light]

Lmao

[twilit quail]

anni is either

I get cancer because my units are weak and I didnt know about x or y that would come on last wave

[oak vigil]

Tbh the only issue with current gacha stuff I have is that there is no way to get basic summon tickets consistently

[twilit quail]

so now I have sit through 15 mins of it again

or you just afk

it's cringe

tbh

[tight haven]

annihilation is rly boring yeah

[drifting quest]

i enjoyed it early on

[tight haven]

they cant make it too bullshit or its annoying and people get frustrated

[drifting quest]

now its not very fun

[tight haven]

so now every anni stage is baby mode

[west moon]

Cause they power creep operators

Of course it is easy with new operators

and hard with old ones

[tight haven]

nah i think the premise is just flawed

[unreal light]

You know we build dogshit teams to beat the spiral abyss and stuff too

[tight haven]

individual stages just should not take 15 minutes like that

[twilit quail]

evil dawnseeker 8 hrs clear

[drifting quest]

pinch out

[tight haven]

true

pinch out annihilation

[west moon]

How double team mode works? Operators between teams can't repeat at all?

Or 1-2 copies allowed

[tight haven]

we wouldnt know but its way too early for a double team mode i think

[unreal light]

Bro wants to play surtr twice

[drifting quest]

there is no mode that requires 2 teams

[tight haven]

im a whale whale and i have 1.5 teams built

[frozen tide]

Every gacha has too many copers saying dogshit is not bad because it can do x like you can live off of salted oatmeal alone doesn't mean its a good meal

[tight haven]

phys is

so

expensive

dear fucking lord

[calm field]

cant wait for kyo low star full clear endgame and activate melentha skill

[twilit quail]

I could have two fully built rn

if I used all my tokens

[west moon]

Money-wise? Aren't they equal?

[drifting quest]

ive spent $16 and i have like good enough laev good enough phys mid ass yvonne lr

[twilit quail]

Im sitting on 5k blue tokens

[west moon]

Do whales convert origo into sanity?

[tight haven]

dude idt 5k blue tokens is ENOUGH

[twilit quail]

with enough money and xp for 3 chars

Im waiting for electrc

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/alec-arknights-thorns-gif-25292259

Basically game over

[drifting quest]

i spent like 2k blue tokens and im a long ways off having 2 properly built teams

esp if one of the two is phys

[tight haven]

i think i used like 5k blues from my laev+gilb pulls and i barely scraped by m9'ing lifeng with 90/90

pog 90 dapan 80 chen 80

poverty lv6 skills for everyone not named lifeng

[outer ermine]

pulling for mats whel behavior

[tight haven]

not to mention essences and artifices

[unreal light]

Lifeng supremacy

[tight haven]

💔

[frozen tide]

I should've saved some blues for banner pulls

[tight haven]

i have perfect essences for everyone but its going to take a week minumum to max each of them

[frozen tide]

Used it all up

[tight haven]

ngl having the extra 100 sanity everyday

feels so nice

[frozen tide]

[unreal light]

To take a what

[tight haven]

theyre all like 1/1/1 essences

[tight haven]

its gonna take ages to--no not artifices

[unreal light]

It takes 6 days to upgrade from level 5 to 6 with gel

[outer ermine]

just realized i forgot to refresh yesterday and b4 that

so bricked

[tight haven]

oh thats the etch table

yeah

yeah.

i do spend geo on sanity

so it takes not quite as long for me

[frozen tide]

???

[tight haven]

but its still an absurd amount

[frozen tide]

Actual whel?

[tight haven]

i dont spend gel unless its the last upgrade

vro...

[frozen tide]

We call everyone a whel so i missed an actual blue whel living amongst us

[tight haven]

me thinking 100 essences would have been enough to max laevs essence

i rly wish we could fuse purple essences or something

im sitting on thousands atp

3 of them or whatever = 1 random gold

[frozen tide]

Fusing 10 purples for a random gold would be fire

[tight haven]

at least let me sell them for tc

idk

[frozen tide]

You can sell purples for stock bills

[dapper mason]

purple essence for 5 gel or even 3

[unreal light]

Well you can sell them for bills

[tight haven]

YOU CAN?

[frozen tide]

Just a very small amount

[tight haven]

okay i didnt even know

[unreal light]

Yeah from your inventory

[tight haven]

how much

like

1k?

[frozen tide]

Its chump change

100

[unreal light]

Like 20 bills per purple essence

[tight haven]

bruh

BRUH

[dapper mason]

100 per essence

[unreal light]

[tight haven]

okay well bills are useless

[unreal light]

Capitalism

[frozen tide]

I mean i get it cause like you can inf sell purples

[tight haven]

what am i gonna use v4 bills for

sanity permits?

[frozen tide]

You can farm 24 hours straight of purples

If you rly wanted

[tight haven]

ehh not really

overworld drops are daily limited

[frozen tide]

It is?

[tight haven]

kinda

[frozen tide]

Ive farmed purple for 5 hrs straight and kept getting it

[tight haven]

i say kinda because the drop logic is odd

alluvium drops resources up to 9 times a day

[unreal light]

Happy unemployed day

[tight haven]

overworld mobs have a set respawn time

so its always timegated

im also PRETTY sure the actual drops you can get in a day that arent fixed (like meat from dogs) is predetermined

[umbral galleon]

Lord farming overworld mobs just reminded me of the echo farming in wuwa nightmare

[frozen tide]

I found that if you kill every mob in every area by the time you come back to first they've respawned

[tight haven]

like you can only get 10 essences from overworld no matter what, only 10 cartilage bits from pyromancers per day

only 12 axehorns per day

[frozen tide]

That's not true

[tight haven]

i remember bc i was stalking axehorns when i was still doing crafting manual

[frozen tide]

I have certainly gotten more than 10 essence per day farming like a lot more

[tight haven]

after my 4th axehorn of the day they just stopped dropping anything

[frozen tide]

It might be drop chance reduction

[tight haven]

yeah the essence was like an off the top of my head bit my bad

but its definitely manipulated

[frozen tide]

Hmm

[tight haven]

drop tables are super odd in this game for whatever reason lmao

some overworld mobs have guaranteed drops (like the axehorn in thr hub and rakerbeast in tianjing courtyard) but it wont tell you that

some have guaranteed NO drops (like the 3 frogs in hulu cave)

[mystic halo]

droprate of mats from the same enemies vary by region

[tight haven]

yeah thats what i intuited

[mystic halo]

spiritually japanese game design

we should be glad there isnt any strong food behind the stupid animal livers or anything

[tight haven]

holy shit yea

im glad ginseng stew only needs dog meat

[twin plover]

This sucker

I hate it

[tight haven]

1000 years of pp alluvium

[frozen tide]

I

I fucking hate korean voice acting in games including endfield i cannot stand perlicas korean voice

[tight haven]

play limbus company

best korean vas or your money back

[frozen tide]

It sounds so weird

Like they are forcing the voice out

[tight haven]

im so happy bitter flour isnt needed for anything though fr

same with hollow aggagrit

[twilit quail]

it's a shame limbus company has like

NEGATIVE gameplay

[tight haven]

dude

have you seen

[twilit quail]

it's so fucking bad

[tight haven]

the newest id

[twilit quail]

I saw that it was 3 pages yes

but Im so beyond caring at this point

mickey mouse game

[calm field]

waterlamp worse than that

[twilit quail]

if the gameplay was half as good as the art department

[tight haven]

fe heroes mogged

[twilit quail]

if only

[tight haven]

(he will still be win rate only)

[twin plover]

I already managed to forget about that

Thanks

[frozen tide]

Lobotomy was the last pm game with good gameplay

[tight haven]

i love my visual novel with clicker heroes characteristics

[frozen tide]

Ruina and limbus both seem so snoozer in gameplay

[twilit quail]

no ruina is good

[tight haven]

oh no its bad

[twilit quail]

it's an actual game

[tight haven]

oh ruina

[rotund yoke]

The only pm game with good gameplay

[tight haven]

yeah ruina actually has pretty solid gameplay and the mods are fantastic

limbus has no gameplay to speak of

almost 3 years strong

[frozen tide]

Lobotomy gameplay is kinda peak

[tight haven]

its kind of a fundamental problem the base mechanics are not good

[frozen tide]

Icl

[twilit quail]

dude

[tight haven]

kind of like fe heroes to be honest

[civic wolf]

do supports have any notable skills to level?

[twilit quail]

the moment they released that one infographic about the SP system

I was like

[tight haven]

which supports

[twilit quail]

it's fucking curtains

[civic wolf]

ake wulf ardelia

[tight haven]

yeah sp is the antichrist mechanic

[civic wolf]

training antal rn

[frozen tide]

Depends on which but off the top of my head xai ult is a big one

[tight haven]

they need to just shoot it in the back of the head

for gameplay to exist

[tight haven]

arde bskill > ake ult

nothing else matters

[twilit quail]

and then they go out of their way to make it even worse on purpose like

today I will make a unit

[tight haven]

arde bskill ideally m3 then ake ult m3

[twilit quail]

that just loses SP at random and becomes unusable

in the most common content players have to do

[tight haven]

80% of ids releasing just being unusable garbage is so funny

i dont know how they keep making so much money

[civic wolf]

antal?

[frozen tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IsxbN7t3VyQ?si=EURUB0bRex7BKdwC

Is this unit good

I keep getting them in my feed

[tight haven]

but then i realize that ill happily spend like $20 on it for the battle pass

just to get every id for free

they might have solved this genre of gachas

[frozen tide]

Pm just has a cult fanbase

[tight haven]

just have shakespeare at the helm and no gameplay

[twilit quail]

I just decided it wasnt worth my time at some point and I wouldnt play even if they give me everything for free and I never had to do a single farming stage or daily

[tight haven]

subscription to the globe theatre ass game

[frozen tide]

Has anyone tried nte here

[civic wolf]

what do you upgrade out of antal's skills

[tight haven]

honestly pm not really giving a shit about mods for limbus is great

its a very fun game to mod

[tight haven]

ult > bskill

one sec

[frozen tide]

From the clips ive seen it kinda looks like genshin and zzz mixed together

[tight haven]

antal ult m3

[frozen tide]

There's so many gachas coming out

[tight haven]

antal bskill... ideally m3 but i guess r9 is fine

[twilit quail]

if you dont m3 you leave it at 7

[tight haven]

his bskill?

[twilit quail]

that game looks horrid

[tight haven]

oh yeah

its only 2% from r7 to m3

thats funny

[silent tulip]

what does omv stand for in omv dijiang?

[tight haven]

originium-powered multi-surface vessel

[silent tulip]

Damn

[frozen tide]

Bro had that answer locked and loaded

[silent tulip]

fr

[tight haven]

💔

[frozen tide]

John dijiang

[tight haven]

they got me scrubbing the brig

i gotta talk to fucking lifeng all day bitch wont shut up

hr dont got my paycheck in on time 3rd time this month

havent seen my wife in 2 years

[frozen tide]

I think lifengs combat design is dope

But his personality

[twilit quail]

the endmin called me to the terminal

at 4am

[frozen tide]

I don't like very much

[twilit quail]

cant have shit on dijiang

[tight haven]

HE GAVE ME 9 PIECES OF CLOTH

I ASKED WHAT IS THIS FOR

[twilit quail]

he gave me 8 scarfs

[silent tulip]

he might ask for 30k

[twilit quail]

and 10 rubix cubes

[drifting quest]

its the endmin! attenshun!

[tight haven]

HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID "only 160%"

[frozen tide]

Does 24 hr cycle even exist normally in dijiang

[tight haven]

HE TOLD ME TO FUCK OFF I ASK WHEN IM GETTING PAID. HE TELLS ME TO GO BACK TO WORK

endfield is breaking me

[frozen tide]

When people live without sunlight cycles they don't live on 24 hrs naturally

[drifting quest]

'you get paid with these 6 dumbbells every day until you trust me enough'

[tight haven]

unironically i dont think we know

like

[frozen tide]

Is talos 2 even 24 hr cycle

[silent tulip]

Ohhh im endfielding it ohhhh im endfielding it

[tight haven]

in wuling they had to put that big ass curtain over the city

for the sky pole thing

[frozen tide]

Does talos 2 have 365 days

[drifting quest]

dijiang is in geostationary orbit afaik so it'll roughly match the day/night cycle of v4/wuling

[tight haven]

so it seems like we just dont have day-night cycles???

[mystic halo]

yeah that doesnt exist yet

[frozen tide]

Does the game have a calender in game

[tight haven]

not really

[frozen tide]

Does talos 2 have 365 days in a year

How long is a day in talos 2

[drifting quest]

until the plot demands a night time sequence

[tight haven]

im gonna be so fr i think its intentional

it wouldnt be that hard to add in a day-night cycle

[silent tulip]

[tight haven]

surely

surely?

[mystic halo]

I mean I think they almost certainly just arent happy with the visuals yet

and that's why

[tight haven]

we dont know if sexagesimal time cycles even apply to talos-ii

[mystic halo]

because almost all of the visuals wuling onwards are very like finely curated

[tight haven]

agreed

[mystic halo]

all of the shots and stuff you get while progressing

[frozen tide]

Wuling is beautiful

[tight haven]

i think the art direction clashed a bit too much in v4 leading to what we have now

[mystic halo]

like the timing on the music

the ambience

[frozen tide]

Valley 4 kinda looked like every other gacha icl

[tight haven]

aburrey quarry was obviously a scrapped region

[frozen tide]

But wuling

[mystic halo]

when you first get to look at the city

[frozen tide]

Was phenomenal

[mystic halo]

quarry is like

they put all their money in the map design

and nothing in visuals

[tight haven]

and for good reason, dear god what an awful place

[mystic halo]

it's a well made map but it looks like a cardboard box

[tight haven]

yeah so so so so much empty space

[frozen tide]

Only saving grace for quarry is ambiant music

[tight haven]

i think its fun to traverse once

then after that its a pain in the ass

[frozen tide]

I don't see enough people talking about how beautiful wuling scenary is

[tight haven]

really?

i see abundant praise for it

rightfully so

[frozen tide]

Like i have not seen that good quality even in big heavy graphics demanding games

I have not seen any wuling glaze

For some reason

[mystic halo]

also

[tight haven]

yeah ill be honest im shocked that it looks as good as it does on my phone

[mystic halo]

happy chinese new year everyone

[tight haven]

happy chinese new year

[mystic halo]

it is 0:01 in gmt+8

[frozen tide]

Happy Chinese New Year

[tight haven]

i wish the camera mode was a biiiiiiit more detailed in its features, aperture doesnt do as much as i'd like and not being able to take pictures of operators mid-combo or during overworld combat is kinda sad

some ops with long-ass skills like gilb you can actually shoot as they cast them, but they're an exception

[frozen tide]

I thought you hated him

Why he in all your pictures

[storm oar]

Is it worth etching the other stats for the supports, i have one more flow for akekuri and then am i completely done with essences for Laev team

[tight haven]

only passives matter for supports here

[frozen tide]

You mostly care about third line +3 on supps

[tight haven]

yeah the third line = passives in this case

they are going to deal less than 10% of laevs damage combined

[storm oar]

Neat so Im almost finished

[tight haven]

yep congrats

[storm oar]

[frozen tide]

You can even just stick a purple with +3 whatever on supps

And call it a day

What i did for ard xai

[storm oar]

Theres just nothing else to grind for in this game so I figured Id at least get all 4 bis essences

Is it worth the crowns to do more than these 2 masteries

[tight haven]

not really

combo skill m3 is pretty neat

the more you invest into laev the better off you'll be of course

she is your hypercarry

[storm oar]

You said not really and then followed it up with reasons why it would be worth it

[distant python]

I'm shocked that it runs

[tight haven]

the gains aren't as high as the other two skills of course

[tight haven]

yeah, and very well too

max settings, minimal framerate drops

[distant python]

I have a OnePlus 9

So low settings for me

[tight haven]

framerate gets wrecked on my recordings though

which makes sense

[storm oar]

Should Akekuri be crowned

for the SP

[tight haven]

just ult if anything

masteries on other skills are pointless

[distant python]

I think getting most supports to 60/80 is good

[twin plover]

Do the points you get from crowned Ake ult change much in Laeva?

I feel like it'll be extremely situational

[storm oar]

And then Ardelia battle skill crown?

[distant python]

80/90 on some supports like ardelia so you can crown the susceptibility seems decent

Crowing things that give more amp or duration is probably worth

[storm oar]

Just tryna get a feel for how uncommon crowns are

if they are only through battlepasses, thats pretty cringe

And its never worth losing pulls for it in the cert shop

[frozen tide]

Its not the crowns

[distant python]

Not that uncommon, BP gives like 8, can buy 10 from store, you get more from events

[distant python]

Nah it's worth

[frozen tide]

It just takes an unholy amount of everything else

[storm oar]

No its not

[frozen tide]

Protos and gold mats

[distant python]

It's worth in this early stage I think

I have enough pulls for the characters I want

[storm oar]

You are absolutely psychotic if you try and tell someone to buy these

[twin plover]

Wuling Event, Photo Event, Umbral, many crowns in 1.0 but this version alone doesn't tell much

[distant python]

Materials to build them is the main issue

[kindred sorrel]

depends how much disposable income you have, if crowns cant really be bought with money, then its worth sacrificing pulls for them if youre a whale

[distant python]

I bought all 10 of the crowns

[kindred sorrel]

same

[distant python]

I'm f2p

[frozen tide]

If you are full f2p it probs is best to use every currency for pulls

[distant python]

Nah

Pulling for character is pointless if you can't build them

Early on anyway

[storm oar]

But.... you can build them?

[distant python]

Probably won't buy the next set

[storm oar]

hello?

[distant python]

I'm only missing lava rn

I have enough to guarantee yvonne

And then I'm missing pog and lr

[kindred sorrel]

trying to decide if i pull for my last two copies of gilberta

[distant python]

Like I have enough pulls for now

[storm oar]

It's all fun and games on launch and then 2 patches later people realize the actual pull count is not sustainable as a f2p

[distant python]

Crows and xp are limiting factors for building characters

[distant python]

Yeah I probably won't get crowns next month

[twin plover]

Limiting factors for a few% dmg increase tbh

[distant python]

There will be more events that gives crowns I hope

[umbral galleon]

Wonder if they'll make the sanity event a recurring one

[distant python]

But in the early phases with limited crowns

[twin plover]

Unless the crown gives more SP or reduces CD and unlocks a different rotation

[distant python]

I M3 my ember basic

For finisher

Since ember is my controlled operator

[frozen tide]

M3 btk is like basically never worth

[storm oar]

Sorry for your loss

[frozen tide]

I did it for my dps too tho lol

Just to feel good with m12

[twin plover]

Finisher is the stagger one tho, no?

[storm oar]

I need the new endgame to come out so I can figure out what the actual laev meta is for artificing

[umbral galleon]

Its on the 22th right?

[storm oar]

shrug

[twilit quail]

it's going to be just as easy as the previous set

[storm oar]

This is our first ever endgame mode, what previous set

[rich linden]

Im made an okayish hot work first, but i definitely wanna try out the gain once I get enough gain

[twin plover]

Btw Gilb is just M1 Ult and done, right? Then however much Ult Gain she can get

[tight haven]

yeah m1 ult and leave her

[warm galleon]

Depends on team, you can give her full art intensity for more corrosion shred

[tight haven]

theres like specific ult breakpoints

but it depends on the team shes in

[frozen tide]

How good is gilb sub dps actually

If you full invest in her can she do good dmg

[tight haven]

in a laev team pretty fucking nutty

[distant python]

Yes, the finisher multiplier is tied to basic attack level

[frozen tide]

How bout in lr comp

[tight haven]

i honestly dunno but id wager pretty fucking good too

[twin plover]

Since you added the "since she's the controlled one" I got confused

[tight haven]

because of xaihi

[twin plover]

But yeah, fair

[distant python]

She's the controlled one which means she's doing the finisher

[frozen tide]

Mmmmmm

[tight haven]

shes hitting clean 100ks in laevs team

[frozen tide]

That was fast

[tight haven]

on ult

[frozen tide]

Xai would buff it a shitload

So would perlica actually

[twin plover]

You can always swap controlled when stagger starts

[frozen tide]

I shouldn't have leveled the pot on my stanza so i can have 2 instead

[distant python]

Yes but ember is the best operator to control because you don't battle skill with her and barely combo skillth

Therefore maximum time on basic attacking

[tight haven]

why do you want 2 bruh

[distant python]

Also sundered

[warm galleon]

While I usually do Perlica ult first before Gilb's, using Gilb first is also great when Perlica hits 500k ult as a debuffer

[frozen tide]

What am i gonna run with xai per gilb

[dapper mason]

cant stack

[tight haven]

yea it dont stack

[dapper mason]

but xaihi with stanza is crazy. i got 800 INT

[tight haven]

the crack combo is getting gilb to apply a 4 stack corrosion with her ult then hitting them with her combo in laevs team

[dapper mason]

but i dont know what perlica will use if stanza on xaihi

[distant python]

Doesn't xaihi buff cap at 400 int though

[frozen tide]

Monaihe ig

[dapper mason]

nope 1200 cap

[frozen tide]

P0 monaihe sounds so ass tho

[tight haven]

arts int gilb is in the dsm-5 but yeah

[dapper mason]

base amp and int scale amp is diff

[tight haven]

i think its worth it

[distant python]

Is it not 36% cap - 24% base = 12% max from int scaling

[frozen tide]

Dsm-5?

[twin plover]

I mean sure for basic attacks, I'm not saying it's bad. I just don't see the reason "since she's my controller op" justifying leveling it for the finisher specifically. That's what confused me

[frozen tide]

[rich linden]

Detonation orb

[dapper mason]

i was told its diff

[rich linden]

Don't think about it

[dapper mason]

cant trigger

[rich linden]

[frozen tide]

Damn do i rly gotta pull for gilb sig p0

[distant python]

You just use 2 perlica skills to proc

[rich linden]

Oblivion is good dam

[outer ermine]

[distant python]

Or Inflict with arclight then skill with perlica

[rich linden]

No?

[tight haven]

@outer ermine do you know what the conditions are to prevent rhodagn from phase transitioning

[distant python]

The proc condition is just cause arts burst

[frozen tide]

What do you suggest i use on perlica then

[tight haven]

like when youre doing a one shot

[outer ermine]

the stagger node

[dapper mason]

no meant in LR team. perlica cant trigger deto

[tight haven]

you have to hit the stagger node before nuking?

[distant python]

Yeah you just use stanza on perlica in LR team

And put det unit on xaihi

Or chivalric on xaihi

[dapper mason]

yep

[outer ermine]

yeah, aslong as u dont do too much dmg b4 ur burst then its ez

but w laev

it was "ng" on bonekrushing b4 he gets pushed to it iirc its been a while

[tight haven]

im just trying to hit funny numbers on rhodagn

with laev tho

[warm galleon]

Perlica has stagger damage bonus and hard hitting ult, building a damage booster wep could profit more than buffing the main

[dapper mason]

hifumi you know better. i was told xaihi int amp cap at 1200 ? is it true or is it 400 ? i need confirmation

[outer ermine]

1200

[frozen tide]

Ppl have tested it

[dapper mason]

okay

[frozen tide]

I can link you my testings

Also btw

[outer ermine]

3708
3381
4199

393, no set
5168
4172
5852

440, no set
5226
4765
5917

570, no set
5385
4910
6098

627, no set
5455
4974
6177

823, no set
5695
5192
6448

[frozen tide]

This is a strictly en misunderstanding

Because of dogshit translation

[outer ermine]

i lost my sc so im just pasting that shit

[frozen tide]

No other region thinks xaihi caps at 400

[distant python]

Epic

[outer ermine]

[distant python]

So you want 1.2k int

On a secondary stat

[dapper mason]

i figured its diff amp.

[frozen tide]

Physically impossible even with p5 starry

[dapper mason]

new art unit pls int stat

[outer ermine]

lemme check my highest cap rn actually

[distant python]

Whose damage are you testing?

[frozen tide]

P5 starry gets close to 1k but its sub optimal anyw

[dapper mason]

only got 800 with stanza

[outer ermine]

lr ba

[distant python]

Ok

[warm galleon]

They will release a limited 6star wep that can cap her int trust

[distant python]

Can't even use lynx to cheese

[outer ermine]

oh im close

[distant python]

Cause it's secondary stat

[outer ermine]

cant be bothered to 3/3 every int tho

[distant python]

Where frontiers tech

[potent hornet]

got my dreams perfect essence

jesus thats some int

[distant python]

Does frontiers not have an int main stat chest or gloves?

[outer ermine]

frontiers is useless here, just get more int on chest

[rich linden]

Oblivion, stanza, obj or wanderer?

[dapper mason]

did you try ? i mean the armor has sec stat boost %

[distant python]

Frontiers is + secondary stat

[frozen tide]

Wanderer is unusable with rite

Obj i forget what it does isn't it just ult stick

[rich linden]

True

[outer ermine]

its still lower than flat int from tide and pulsar

[frozen tide]

Stanza we were literally just discussing how not both gilb and per can use

[rich linden]

Heat/electric amp

[frozen tide]

Lol obj useless too

[outer ermine]

mines not full artificed so lemme check

[rich linden]

Yea

Xd

But delivery is goodge

[frozen tide]

So just oblivion

[rich linden]

But its gamba

Yea

[distant python]

Can you not use ardelia Sig on Gil?

Or is this shit

[rich linden]

Oblivion goodge if u have p5 perlica

[dapper mason]

okay i will just copy your xaihi then

[distant python]

You don't have artifice on frontiers here though

Compared to tide

[outer ermine]

ill check later on full artificed stats and see

[distant python]

Don't even need to artifice

Someone just go do maths

In spreadsheet

[outer ermine]

its 2 on int and 1 on sec, and still lower than just 2 pulse surely cannot be that worth

[drifting quest]

is this another xaihi thing

[rich linden]

Also yea that passive doesnt stack. But it helps improve oblivion stonks so yk xd

[dapper mason]

maybe frontier will be worth if we have int stat on weapon

[rich linden]

Anything to avoid gamba and hoard

[frozen tide]

If int mainstat with no secondary percent or low enough secondary percent yes

If int mainstat high secondary percent tide or int main chest is still better

If its int main low secondary frontiers should be very slightly better

[potent hornet]

my question is why make a character whos skill scales off a stat that isn't a main stat for them

[amber vapor]

Int maxing go brrr

[drifting quest]

there's like

a ton who want sec stat

[west moon]

At which point do I stop gathering valley 4 rare materials?

[drifting quest]

whenever you get bored of it

[amber vapor]

The toaster whisperer has infinite intellect

[warm galleon]

62k pcs I think

[amber vapor]

It takes 3days for nodes to fully replenish all it's honestly not too much of a hassle to collect em whenever they're full

[dapper mason]

my brain work like this. the better base int, more worth int % is

[amber vapor]

Shouldn't take more than 20mins to collect em all if you have optimized ziplines

[frozen tide]

Yes but the higher your int percent the less worth more int percent is

So it goes both ways

[dapper mason]

fk math

[west moon]

Ig I have enough of them already

[west moon]

Actually 4, but that's still takes me an hour with ziplines

Hour with a breaks, cause collecting it non-stop is omega boring

[amber vapor]

I do all my dailies and farming on mobile between my work or chores in the evening

Like I'll just do it while watching something

Relax-maxxing

[distant python]

CBA to collect V4 mats

[west moon]

My store is ass

[distant python]

There's like infinite nodes of them If I want to level a new character

You never need more than like 5 of a material to level a character

Which is less than 1 node

I collect the wuling mats though

Every 3 days

[west moon]

The issue is sanity resources

Including irl ones

[distant python]

I have 24 sanity potions

From the aurelyne

Saving them for sanity discount even just in case

I think it will have a cap but

Preparing

[west moon]

I popped 20 of them when I was doing essenses. Worth it

I think about skipping last level of essences

Chance is too small, and gain is equal to error margin

so 5/5/2

[distant python]

Just coolant gel them

Lol

[distant python]

I had to use quite a few for my ember weapon

Upside was I got perfect essence for wedge and artzy

[west moon]

450 for, again, margin error difference? That's 45 failed essenses or 15 cleared alluviums, or 1200 sanity

[distant python]

Did you not just build up a ton

While attempting to get to 5/5

[west moon]

45 essenses is a whole different talk

that's 6 days worth of waiting

[distant python]

Yeah but you probably tried and failed 45 essences

While getting to 5/5

So

[west moon]

I'll get to this point when I'll upgrade 3 or 4 weapons

if you mean this

[distant python]

I wish my rng was that good

[west moon]

I hate that weapon promotion protocol is basically made for physics team

[distant python]

Yeah and weapon xp is made for arts teams

[west moon]

It's completable on elements, but sufferable

[distant python]

I've barely had to do weapon promotion

Constantly had to do weapon xp

Just run Gil in your arts team

Vulnerable stacks removes the defense

Like I run ardelia In my phy team for forces corrosion to remove defense

Me when the game encourages mixing up teams

Instead of just using a set perfect comp

[west moon]

Too bad I don't have event legendary

Does battlepass rewards remembers all cycle rewards, or I'm just losing crates

[frozen tide]

Theres a lot of things i can mention here but for starters i believe corrosion only reduces arts resistance

[tight haven]

wtf how are you running out of weapon xp mats

dijiang makes like 5 purples a day

[distant python]

Doesn't matter, her skill converts it

[distant python]

Because I finally pulled on weapon for Gil sig and opened the boxes, I got jet, oblivion, delivery and thermite cutter to level up

[tight haven]

das crazy.

wait leveling THERMITE?

why

its just for the passive

[distant python]

I pulled oblivion + thermite in the same pull, back to back

[frozen tide]

[distant python]

So now I have 2 thermites and 2 oblivions

My choice to get sundered from box was correct

[west moon]

Any ARPG recommendation while I'm waiting for AKE updates?

[dapper mason]

20 weapon pull and my stanza still p0

[distant python]

Oh

[outer ermine]

[distant python]

My thermite is at lvl 80

Om

Jet at lvl 70

[tight haven]

i got clannibal p5 before stanza p5

game is just funny like that

[distant python]

Why do you have clannibal

[tight haven]

man

you tell me

[distant python]

Rossi prep surely

What the fuck were you pulling on

[tight haven]

laev sig p5

[distant python]

For clannibal to show up

[outer ermine]

just need 4 more tc and det

[distant python]

Oh

[tight haven]

lifeng sig p5

[outer ermine]

[distant python]

Whale gaming

[tight haven]

couldnt even be a useful p5 smdh

[distant python]

Rossi prep

(she won't even be a pistol user)

[tight haven]

if rossi somehow makes clan cracked ima be so happy

rn its just a funny option

[distant python]

I have 0 det units

I also have 0 xaihi

Surely I get xaihi while pulling on yvonne

[outer ermine]

ive never been so motivated to farm for food mats

[distant python]

Fortunately I don't have LR or Yvonne yet so no reason to have xaihi

P5 alesh and p5 perlica though

Probably p7 alesh at this point

[rose fjord]

did anyone actually test if xaihi with higher than 400 INT still increases her ult's amp%?

i was under the impression that the 36% cap is calculated with 24% base

[dapper mason]

yes 1200 cap

[potent hornet]

p5 det unit here, still no perf essence

[outer ermine]

whel

[rose fjord]

wait so it actually goes up to 60% amp?

[outer ermine]

i need 4 more

[edgy crater]

technically u got lucky but its clannibal lol

[dapper mason]

66% if p5