theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

because this game is built upon random ass interactions not explained that diverge from the norm

[tight haven]

it will buff all damage tied directly to the casting of the ultimate

iirc from my testing it will affect pog's first hit on ult cast

it will not affect the harass or the final big hit

[quaint matrix]

where is my event with 9x 880 arsenal tickets giveaway

[rich linden]

Starting next week

[drifting quest]

yvonne and laev casts consume it but it doesnt then buff the damage they deal during ult

[tight haven]

that's a bad way of wording it

[edgy crater]

so any after damage will not effected by link buff?

[craggy pond]

we literally spent 2 hours yesterday just to learn how surtr's battle skill work and learnt that the numbers that pop up aren't separate instances of dmg

[quaint matrix]

i wish it was true

[drifting quest]

but someone like chen or last rite with a bunch of hits gets buffed for all

[tight haven]

it won't affect additional hits that come from passives like swordmancer set or lifeng's passive

[tight haven]

yes

[quaint matrix]

man i didn't notice i'm 45 pulls away from 6* the gurantee stacks up from free shit

feelsgoodman

[edgy crater]

[arctic valve]

it's prob some snapshot mechanic in the code

[fading fog]

0

[drifting quest]

huh

[tranquil burrow]

Yvonne hater in shambles or something something

[edgy crater]

how much int ur alesh got?

[tranquil burrow]

Are you a bigger Clannibal hater or a Yvonne hater

[bitter cove]

insane alesh value

[fading fog]

406

[drifting quest]

i dont hate either

ive said on record several times i believe in their potential

[edgy crater]

just wait for crit oriented support

[fading fog]

well he did technically get 2 gold fishes when the boss was transitioning to next phase and literally as I killed it with the last hit

but that doesn't do much now does it

[drifting quest]

if the crit support is too generic it can be a lr buff too

[tranquil burrow]

doesn't take away from a Yvonne buff

[quasi quarry]

tbh I find link kind of a dumb mechanic there's so many different buffs already in the game

[tranquil burrow]

they play differently enough mechanically speaking

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, basically lr superiority again

[quasi quarry]

it feels overkill

[fading fog]

+300% basic attack cdmg if you are a cryo handgun character

[tranquil burrow]

also never underestimate game designers in managing to design limited supports that shill very specific units they have in mind while ignoring others

[craggy pond]

well, 1 more multiplier doesn't hurt

[rare zodiac]

ib4 they breed another multipliers

[tranquil burrow]

If they're like link it won't make much difference since each of these is rare enough you're unlikely to stack them all. Basically a case of you take what you can get.

[edgy crater]

necrosis damage etc on aether related damage

[tranquil burrow]

Sounds like a reaction

[tight haven]

clannibal at least has an actual use case

for very specific single-target scenarios

i think wulf is a poor user for it because his only reaction consumption is single-target

but also nobody else uses it well either

[tranquil burrow]

You have P5 Clann don'tcha

I would be using it on cooldown for it's giga debuff

it lasts fairly long

[tight haven]

yeah

i do

its pretty nice with gilberta to spike laev bursts even harder

[drifting quest]

clannibal is one of those weapons that should require the user to press a tickbox that confirms they read and understand the weapon as well as a short test to be able to use it

[frozen tide]

There should be a clannibal tutorial for 200 oros

[tight haven]

yeah its hard to recommend bc people will go "wtf why can i never use this" and you watch their gameplay and theyre barely even triggering hot works properly

[frozen tide]

Omg

[drifting quest]

or its the exact opposite

and they always use it when they can

even if its already active

[tight haven]

💔

[frozen tide]

How many people have come to tc saying laev/pinned laev build is dogshit

[drifting quest]

and laev never gets an enhanced skill

[tight haven]

even when its on cooldown

LOL

[frozen tide]

Saying they can't trim rhod

I can count 4

There was prob more

[tight haven]

not being able to trim rhod is an honest-to-goodness investment diff

[drifting quest]

there's been 10+

easily

[tight haven]

a monkey using a ship's wheel to control endfield could trim rhod with decent investment using laev

[frozen tide]

May god help them if they can't trim rhod with 90 m6 laev with sig

[rare zodiac]

if they can't trim Rhod i have to gently remind them that the only dog shit here is them

[edgy crater]

u forgot the people who think umbral hard

[drifting quest]

how long do you think it would take infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters to trim rhodagn

[tranquil burrow]

I found it hard to stay alive

[frozen tide]

I went into umbral leaning back not using heal skills or reading any of the passives

Had to sit up for the second agony

Shit too hard

[drifting quest]

i went into umbral hoping i would have to reset and change my team

[edgy crater]

i forgot it has gimmick beside haze map

[drifting quest]

i came out of umbral hoping next time i would have to reset and change my team

[tranquil burrow]

I died a few times to the duo boss

[rare zodiac]

i just one tap Umbra and dip

[tranquil burrow]

Well, my Laev did so I just reset

[frozen tide]

The second agony gimmick can ramp up rly high if you don't read the passive or for whatever diff reason don't kill them in order

And their pew pews start nuking

[tranquil burrow]

I just stat diffed the 2nd agony

[rare zodiac]

really? i just kill everything with hp bar

[frozen tide]

Laev has a field day on it probably

[craggy pond]

i don't even recall what i did on the first 2 map because i was just autopilotting ngl

[frozen tide]

It depends on your aoe capability

If you have any aoe you can just mow them down

If st you need to be somewhat smart

[craggy pond]

only the 2 bosses stressed me out a lil bit because they were tanky and i actually had to dodge shit

[rare zodiac]

super charge Lae so i constantly in ult

[tranquil burrow]

the crossbow mf killed my Laev a few times before I had to lock in

[craggy pond]

looked away for a second and almost died but the rest was fine

[edgy crater]

tho stage 1 n 2 basically eyja spam

[tranquil burrow]

One thing I want is to let us skip lvl 60 versions

Do agony directly and get rewards for both

[drifting quest]

trim on last umbral = auto unlock agony on next

would be nice

[twilit quail]

be yvonne
4 crossbow guys with ramped atk
if I ult i die

it's so peak

[frozen tide]

[edgy crater]

[frozen tide]

Just gilb alesh them atp

Bench yvonne

[tranquil burrow]

One day new Yvonne tech will come out and iana will be forced to uncensor Yvonne's name from the sheet

[drifting quest]

you can kill 2-3 and then ult before respawns come in and its okay

scuffed aah

[craggy pond]

surely they're not gonna make someone who only works with yvonne and no one else

[tranquil burrow]

Gacha shenanigans so maybe

[edgy crater]

most likely yes

[fading fog]

I mean who would you even replace

[frozen tide]

Be yvonne
Limited 6 star dps
Need another limited 6 star to function
Needs high investment
Has 0 aoe
Ult is interruptable and long af animation
Requires scuffed build and team
Competes with a 5 star dps for single target bosses after all boxes are ticked

[edgy crater]

alesh, no need to gacha the fish lol

[quaint matrix]

the perfect 6* support comes out specifically made for you
Lr performs better with it

[fading fog]

I dunno how could they make an ice vanguard yvonne specific

[edgy crater]

yeah, if hg made cryo support, its also work on lr

[frozen tide]

Yvonne would have been dope if her multipliers were a bit better

She'd be another jank cryo nuker

[drifting quest]

the simple answer is they wont make a yvonne specific support

[frozen tide]

A different flavored one

[drifting quest]

and yvonne will continue to be relegated to worse lr

[frozen tide]

Cause it wouldn't sell

[drifting quest]

from meta perspective

[frozen tide]

Who tf buying a yvonne only use support

[quaint matrix]

i dunno yvonne is mid,her story is mid,her gameplay is mid..... and design is like 6/10

only big boobas she has

[frozen tide]

Did yvonne work well with rite in cbt

I heard she didn't consume cryo back then

[quaint matrix]

if i pull her from free tickets my account is forever bricked

[fading fog]

I honestly much prefer playing yvonne compared to LR

[frozen tide]

Im glad you are enjoying her

[fading fog]

LR's basic attacks suck ass and I can't be bothered

[edgy crater]

greatsword, what do u expect

[frozen tide]

Is there a chart of how long every btk sequence is

Lrs btk start to fs recovery is below 4 secs with cancels

[fading fog]

I even got her signature so it's not even an investment issue that I think she's worse

[fathom shore]

Easy, make nature vanguard instead

[fading fog]

then that'd work for nature dps too

[edgy crater]

fluorite user in the corner: my time has come

[frozen tide]

What pot artzy do you have

[fading fog]

I mean LR signature

[frozen tide]

Ic

Lr strictly has higher single instance, burst and sustained dmg ngl

[daring dove]

Yvonne is straight up worse than LR I don't think there's any debate over that. The only question is does Yvonne meaningfully improve LR's team.

If no then there's no reason for her to exist.

[arctic valve]

chill lol

[drifting quest]

the answer is giga no

[frozen tide]

I have been talking shit about yvonne for no particular reason

[drifting quest]

thats not to say she shouldnt exist

[frozen tide]

I apologize if it was irritating

[drifting quest]

just that within the scope of TC, minmaxxing, etc. she is not a unit

[daring dove]

Like I said if she can find a niche & meaningfully add to LR's team then she's useful if not what's the point?

[arctic valve]

Ice teams are kinda lacking a support. So whoever ends up better remains to be seen with them

[frozen tide]

Uhhh

[edgy crater]

dunno, from some video, yvonne like trash killer on lr team

[frozen tide]

Unless a support that multipliers cdmg comes out or smth

Its very unlikely

[quasi quarry]

not every character has a point a lot of the time in gachas 👍

[arctic valve]

well I'd argue LR's kit is more restrictive and awkard than Yvonne's

[frozen tide]

As yvonnes output is just very limited

[outer ermine]

[arctic valve]

anything not Surtr or Physical kinda doesn't exist

[drifting quest]

electric and lr are very competitive

[fading fog]

what's the point releasing cryo dps units in the future then?
stronger than LR? what's the point of LR eww powercreep
weaker than LR? what's the point LR stronger L new character trash why play

[frozen tide]

Lr has better speedkills than phys oftentimes

[daring dove]

I don't think this game ends up where you can only have 1 DPS on a team & a bunch of supports. I can definitely see situations where you could run teams with multiple DPS & that actually be BiS. Question is if Yvonne's good enough to warrant a slot.

[drifting quest]

phys has the slowest speedruns of the top 4

[daring dove]

Read below

[arctic valve]

might just be like og Arknights. You outscale content and use whoever you want

[daring dove]

Last Rite is already arguably BiS in Yvonne teams, if you had a well built LR & a new Ice DPS drops. Chances are LR still ends up in that team.

[fading fog]

does last rite solidify?

[edgy crater]

no

lr on yvonne basically wulf on surtr

[drifting quest]

last rite is not arguably best in yvonne teams

the pairing is objectively bad and repeatedly shown to be so

[fading fog]

probably only at whale tiers

[drifting quest]

it gets WORSE the higher you invest

gear and money wise

[fading fog]

oh really?

[edgy crater]

800k vs 1m

[drifting quest]

its a cope giga low invest thing

[outer ermine]

yz just baiting yall w that team

[arctic valve]

Xaihi is the only Ice support with human rights, blame it on that

[daring dove]

Well invested LR will be better than any other 4th slot option I reckon. I think people have only been looking at these comparsions from absolutely cope levels of investment.

Not that I blame them, getting a properly invested team rn is like gold dust.

[drifting quest]

it stops being a yvonne team atp
it starts being a last rite team with yvonne 4th
and then you optimize it by removing yvonne for a real unit

[frozen tide]

There's nothing wrong with playing or enjoying yvonne

Esp when content is fairly easy

[edgy crater]

its just coping to slap them together

[fading fog]

yvonne is more niche with solidification tbh

[frozen tide]

But her output is strictly worse than lr in basically every meaningful metric

In the future that may change but i for one doubt it

[fading fog]

if we got a 5 or 6 star estella for example I can see the team getting stronger

[frozen tide]

Its not like i can read into the future so i can't tell for sure

[daring dove]

Yeah, but that isn't the scenario I was talking about, I was saying LR could easily slot in as a 4th slot in a better ICE DPS team if she's well invested.

[fading fog]

building more on the solidification shatter aspect

[frozen tide]

Soldification dmg payout scales off the one who shatters no

[daring dove]

But we're all just future crafting now so who cares.

[edgy crater]

aint dat u currently do? alesh shenanigans

[drifting quest]

it would have be such a niche kit that they would likely suffer the same fate of yvonne

[fading fog]

alesh doesn't do anything other than fin catching and applying 1 cryo with ult for yvonne

[frozen tide]

Sp gen and thermite

Thermite is MASSIVE for yvonne

[fading fog]

well that's part of the course

since he's a vanguard

[daring dove]

I don't think so, my rolling theory is the best teams in this game will actually be dual carry / dual support teams. We have to remember this game is fundamentally different from games like Genshin. Your DPS remain on field at all times.

[fossil narwhal]

Is it worth to get clannibal for wulfgard in laevatain team

[daring dove]

I just don't think we have the characters to make such teams work rn.

[fading fog]

estella is directly interacting with shatter

[arctic valve]

due to SP economy, I don't think so

running 4 characters and pressing their skill actively is hard as is

[half rapids]

just wait for the flagbearer who gives 300sp off of combo

[fading fog]

any team without vanguard is pure ass

and in endgame you need sustain

[arctic valve]

well sustains don't skill often so it feels fine

[fading fog]

ye but they still take up a team slot

[daring dove]

We'll just get characters that get better at generating SP as time goes on. RIght now we have cope 4* options. They'll 100% get powercrept by better options down the road. An I say that as Akekuri's biggest fan.

[arctic valve]

unless they make a Vanguar that generates more SP than they spend, I don't see how. But sure

[sullen depot]

Part of why Physical feels so good, since Pog is the only 6* Vanguard

[drifting quest]

i mean the examples we have (3 dps/1 support) and (1 dps/3 support) neither encourage nor discourage this, it's possible a 2/2 team would come to exist but generally for a 2nd or 3rd dps to slot they have to provide more than just dps

see electric which can arguably be a 2/2 team (but atp kinda becomes a 3/1 team) with investment where perlica (and gilberta) provide more than just dps

last rite provides only dps so the case where she is on the same team as another support would likely never be because she helps them but because they help her. This is even more the case with how greedy last rite is for sp, investment and just generally during gameplay. Other teams with multiple dps benefit each other with energy and the like, but last rite only gets energy from herself

[daring dove]

There's no reason for them to exist if they don't.

[arctic valve]

no Vanguard currently does that :P

[sullen depot]

Vanguards are rarely using their skill at all? What do you mean?

[daring dove]

An that's why they're incredibly cope rn, thing that saves Akekuri is Thermite cutter for me.

An yeah you're not forced to use their bs.

Especially when you aren't running Wulfguard.

[daring dove]

I think a term we'll start seeing pop up as the game gets more fleshed out is "support DPS". Basically a character that's doing damage not to far behind your main carry while not being greedy for team resources & generally helping combat flow. The best Genshin example I'd give is my Avatar Ineffa. In Flins best low invest team her DPS is nearly as high as his.

But in this game obviously the support DPS won't be off-screen.

[arctic valve]

already exists

Electro team does that

Physical too kinda

[frozen tide]

Physical is a very strange case

I only consider pog a support in phys

[daring dove]

Now really I'd say the majority of the electro team's damage is coming from 1 character quite heavily still although others are amping it.

[arctic valve]

Perlica is dropping 100k ults

[drifting quest]

very high invest perlica and even gilb damage share can shoot up quite a bit

[arctic valve]

and Arclight's damage per rotation is pretty close to 150k too

[daring dove]

OK but that averaged over 20 seconds is 5k DPS. But yeah she is contributing but nothing like Ineffa.

[drifting quest]

if you average avywenna damage over her full rot the dps sucks too

whats the point here

[daring dove]

It's going to be 3-4x more than Perlica lets not pretend it's a near 50/50 split.

[drifting quest]

highest levels of investment it can get pretty close on damage shares

like 40/40/20

maybe a bit less
50/30/20

akekuri is akekuri after all

[daring dove]

Also what's the point of this. Randomly acquire one item 880

[drifting quest]

fixed reward today

and on 4 other days

random rewards on the rest

[daring dove]

Ah so it will start to get more options.

Getting us ready for gamba life.

Hope they don't start selling tickets like that.

Gamba within gamba can get a bit much.

[drifting quest]

its just the ticket wall from original ak

[quaint matrix]

what abt other 5? they are like 50-880?

[arctic valve]

Electro team's strat seems to be high damage during break window, not exactly dps

and tbh most teams kinda wanna do this

[drifting quest]

unknown

[tight haven]

keep one

as a keepsake

or else your account is bricked

[frozen tide]

🧱

[quaint matrix]

so it will expire in N days?

[ocean hawk]

the card itself wouldnt expire

[heavy fossil]

which characters have sp return?

[ocean hawk]

the mail it is

[quaint matrix]

oh ok

[summer flower]

guys

[ocean hawk]

the mail expire in 14 days iirc

pls check again to be sure

[summer flower]

100k stagger break

O.O

but seriously its like 47k if not crit

also i double spent on skill mats instead on credits

[outer ermine]

me when i used early cc boxes

[tight haven]

im only saving the unique sanity pots and stuff like this

maybe if i get stupidly desperate down the line ill tear it open for beryls

[frozen tide]

I will not forgive myself for choosing valiants from the progression box over thermite

[tight haven]

i fucking

accidentally picked former finery

so youre fine

[frozen tide]

😭

[tight haven]

i mistook it for thermite

💔

[frozen tide]

Former finery literally there to be mistook as thermite

[tight haven]

there to brick accounts

id have p3 thermite now but nooooooo

[quasi quarry]

i picked thermite and jet from my boxes

[summer flower]

ehh

[quasi quarry]

ngl i dont know what to do with bp box though

[summer flower]

CREDITS NOT ENOUGH CREDITS

[quasi quarry]

I have lae's weapon, gilb's bp weapon is bad, and i'm not getting yvonne

[half rapids]

bp box is a collectible keepsake

[daring dove]

Why is the new web event giving us one 1/15th of a pull of each stage we complete

[half rapids]

[potent hornet]

its 1/15th you didn't have before!!

[summer flower]

dopamine hit

[daring dove]

It feels like I'm picking mints in Genshin.

[tight haven]

the cny event as a whole seems to give you 5k beryls minimum

so it balances out

either way it was a nice little surprise

[arctic valve]

save it

maybe in the future someone will use them, or you'll lose 50/50 to Yvonne on rerun or sum

[frozen tide]

Former finery literally there to be mistook as thermite

????

[neon wolf]

cause hg a little stingy on the oroberyls

[drifting quest]

10 more pulls to cope tangtang + mi fu + fangyi + rossi

[frozen tide]

I did not type that

[drifting quest]

simply never lose

[frozen tide]

I just came back to check this chat out

[quasi quarry]

i dont think i'd build her tbh regardless, dont dig her design that much

[arctic valve]

looks out of ZZZ

[quasi quarry]

but yeah i guess ill wait and see if one of these weapons is better for a future unit

[neon wolf]

lol

[drifting quest]

bp weapons being made as cope options for limited units means it'll likely be a while before we see them work for others

so just sit on the boxes for years

[frozen tide]

Im gonna always have enough bp pots saved up for a p5

And use excess mayb

[quaint matrix]

i saw this pic on reddit today

i think it says all abt progression

[frozen tide]

If they are not sure about their own math on smth as simple as this

Im not sure i trust the graph at all

[restive crescent]

do yall assume r4 and max artifice in calcs or no artifice

[drifting quest]

we love misleading infographics here

how could you tell

[daring dove]

It's likely overexerating consider we get stamina refreshers daily. Most people are ending up with an extra 80-120 sanity a day. Still I do think it's objectively true it takes a long time to build characters in this game.

[ocean hawk]

people tend to forget we get 1 free 40 sanity booster from daily

[drifting quest]

what about dijiang

[frozen tide]

I don't disagree that it takes long

[drifting quest]

events

one time sources

[ocean hawk]

and another 1 more from monthly

[drifting quest]

???

[frozen tide]

Its just that the math he uses for that graph

Is addition and subtraction

[lime bear]

do you get Arsenal from here

[frozen tide]

Division multiplication

[drifting quest]

no

[ocean hawk]

anyway again, this is just a new game issue, after few updates (major patch) u will be swimming in those resources

[frozen tide]

Like 3rd grade math howd he not be sure

[arctic valve]

I think it takes the shortest time actually

[lime bear]

scam

also I only have 19 ops ...

[arctic valve]

maxing a character in any Hoyo title takes months due to artifact grind

[frozen tide]

Free 6 star is a scam yes

[lime bear]

might need to get Ember for the achievement...

[frozen tide]

Never use it

[restive crescent]

maxing a character doesnt exist in hoyo

[drifting quest]

does anyone have a list of all the mini shops

[restive crescent]

40 subs or bust

[drifting quest]

i keep meaning to go buy them all out

[ocean hawk]

which mini

[lime bear]

I got 3x Arsenal from refresh today

[arctic valve]

sure but whatev arbitrary 40 substat baseline you go for takes longer than Endfiled

unless you're prydwen and their 20 substat ahh guides 🤡

[daring dove]

Naw, not with all the new tools they gave you to craft artifacts & re-roll them. I'd have a character build up to 85% of their peak performance within a week in Genshin usually.

[drifting quest]

random sellers, like there's the one in quarry that sells a keycard

there's like 5 of them or something

trying to google it is not helpful

[restive crescent]

ye im in agreement

[ocean hawk]

ah, about that, it feels like the in game map is bugged or something? Since they have filter for that kind of npc seller but not working atm

[lime bear]

there's also 2 or 3 in Workers Dorm in Hub

[daring dove]

The last 10-15% might take a couple of months granted.

[drifting quest]

yeah map does not show them for me

[arctic valve]

if we count 85% performance, Endfield wins even faster what

[lime bear]

also one guy in the right side camp Lodespring

1 guy sells at Wuling around the restaurant

[drifting quest]

i think ive gotten all these

there should be more

[restive crescent]

40 subs is proly more than a year of farming even with the new hoyo qol thingys

[ocean hawk]

u have complete list of that npc seller ?

[restive crescent]

30 is more reasonable but still way longer yhan maxing stuff here

[lime bear]

I don't remember all

[frozen tide]

is there any important shops one may forget

yall remember of

[ocean hawk]

iirc all of it was 1 time buy

except the seed guy

[lime bear]

but iirc 2 in Workers Dorm Hub, 1 in Mining Camp Lodespring, 1 in Wuling Restaurant alongside Main Road, 1 in Wuling Eco Farm that sells Seed

[arctic valve]

yet in Endfield, not even a month in, and I already have 1 perfect character and closing in on two

I feel like half the complaints about this game are ppl praying on it's downfall

[quaint matrix]

i recently logged into wuwa and found out new substat reroll thingies are paywalled. what a shame.

[arctic valve]

or ignoring the upsides the systems Endfield has while comparing to what's lacking in other titles

[ocean hawk]

just ignore them imo

[daring dove]

That's my Ineffa after a couple of weeks. Granted I did get a bit lucky with her.

[outer ermine]

[restive crescent]

oml

[lime bear]

I already have 9/9/4 Laevatain and maxed 207% Ult Gain pog

Artificing is just limited cuz Wuling stock bills

[arctic valve]

yeah

[lime bear]

when we have 1.1 and full Wuling expansion

it'll be a breeze

[arctic valve]

Essences also feel great. By the time you get a fitting essence, you also got the fodder

so it doesn't feel that bad either

[restive crescent]

thats the same investment as my mualani (outside of cons cus im broke) and her domains been out for more than a year gg

[arctic valve]

And you can farm / upgrade other essences at the same time as building another

you can upgrade Endmin and Gel Surtr's essence

[lime bear]

barely scraping to get the 60K Artificing thing and 120K Essence ticket

[ocean hawk]

this is kinda wrong

not right either

[lime bear]

got it on last day

[restive crescent]

do we get enough passive income to buy out the 60k + 120k?

[drifting quest]

60k easily, 120k not every week

[arctic valve]

in Wulling? yes

[lime bear]

yes if you also do monitoring

[ocean hawk]

so about gelling, iirc someone sent about the gel amount from upgrading for 1 specific essence is enough just for the 5 to 6 for 1st and 2nd row only

[drifting quest]

or you might make the 120k reliably too

[lime bear]

and deliveries

[drifting quest]

depends if you buy other stuff / get 3 deliv a day

[lime bear]

I always buy out 120K ones for 3 weeks now

[restive crescent]

i dont do deliveries i just transfer em lol

[lime bear]

not even doing Wuling deliveries from others

[ocean hawk]

so if upgrade essence only using fodder (no gel) the gel itself cant be used to fully upgrade another char essence

[neat snow]

I'm only buying the 60k ones cause I want to have some money ready for when wuling expands

[quaint matrix]

i hope this game is gonna thrive but rn there are some serious flaws

[lime bear]

still have spare to buy the gifts lmfao

[arctic valve]

Gel is shared. Gel is granted regardless of success or failure

attempts on less upgrades essences have better ods

[ocean hawk]

yeah i know

[arctic valve]

Sending them into the Abyss of an 8/9 Essence is trolling

[ocean hawk]

someone already calculate it

[ocean hawk]

this

i mean u can "count" upgrading other essence using gel from another char as shared upgrade

but well

its not worth it

[arctic valve]

honestly when I first saw the essence system, I assumed if you failed too many times you have to throw the essence and try again

[dry kindle]

We have a way to farm standard pulls now

Just trigger returnee event

[ocean hawk]

gel is best for 5 to 6 only

[arctic valve]

yeah

[ocean hawk]

use it for another upgrade level, u lost it worths

[arctic valve]

should you gel the weapon's passive or not btw?

[restive crescent]

its ok its not nexon so no aids starforcing

[ocean hawk]

so it cant be called as "u can use gel for upgrading another char essence" since u definitely emptied ur gel for ur 1 char 5 to 6

[ocean hawk]

wdym passive? isnt the only source of gel is from etching?

[daring dove]

There we go she's finally finished. All the important skills raised to max.

[dry kindle]

M3 combo

💀

[daring dove]

That's all the supports on my Laevetain team max level / max level weapon / max talents.

[daring dove]

9 second CD, I know it only triggers on defensive pip breaks.

But there are some situations where she's spamming that thing.

[lime bear]

nah

[daring dove]

We shall see I have had it trigger 2x in 1 rotation before.

Only in AoE content though with some sub bosses.

Her combo trigger basically gets better the harder the content is.

[granite marten]

i sure hope you don't recommend doing that to others

[daring dove]

Naw, most people shouldn't be making their Akekuri 90 at all.

Only support I recommend making 90 an maxing talents for is this girl.

Since she's BiS in so many teams.

An the damage increase can be quite noticable.

Although you can leave her 80-90 if needed

[granite marten]

ofc, i do hope we get enough resources to eventually max everyone tho

[dry kindle]

M3 combo 🔥

[daring dove]

My Ardelia has a 15 second combo trigger now, instead of the 18 she started with an that's really noticable in gameplay & does make a big difference. Although realistically 99.9% of people won't have her P5 so their limit is 17 seconds.

But even that will feel a bit better.

[tight haven]

the -1s cd on arde m3 doesnt affect many rots as far as i know

mostly because of timestop mechanics being relevant in all the teams you can choose to use her in

[daring dove]

In an ideal world, fixed rots in this game are basically a myth due to how dynamic the combat is anyway though.

[tight haven]

no i mean even in real rotations

it just doesnt make much of a difference

if it does having it a second earlier doesnt help you start back up from an interrupted rotation nor does it cause it to align cleanly with other relevant skills/ult cycles

[daring dove]

I can say from personal experience it made a huge difference for consistency getting the shred for me. But some of that could of been the extra corrosion time.

[tight haven]

idk i think m3 combo just doesnt matter for arde

[craggy pond]

i mean even with p5 arde you're just going from 16 to 15

[dry kindle]

Late but whatever

40 fails on +3 flow thermite

[tight haven]

me with every essence

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[tight haven]

[craggy pond]

that fucking emoji

made me think i had it highlighted

[dry kindle]

[daring dove]

More time with corrosion debuff on the enemy, definitely worth. Depends how much you care about min-maxing though for me if a character is even 1% weaker because I haven't done said investment I'll do it. A lot of people get to 80-90% of a teams performance an say good enough.

[craggy pond]

i mean because it's opportunity cost, everything we do costs something, crowns aren't free

[dry kindle]

I guess I should do laev masteries since we actually get enough crowns to not die from cringe

[craggy pond]

it's more about how much you're getting out of that 1% improvement vs if you had invested those crowns somewhere else

cuz obviously everyone wants to max their entire team if they can, but 99% of the time they just don't have that luxury

[daring dove]

For me I had enough crowns to max invest all skills for all supports in my Laevatain team. But I am very low now, but that's fine I'm only starting to invest in my second team starting tomorrow.

[tight haven]

tbf that is because you spent a lot

spenders have access to at least 16 more crowns than everyone else

im mostly saying this for people looking but arde combo m3 isnt worth it

[dry kindle]

Forgot I'm still on the shitpost gear 🔥

[tight haven]

LOL

[daring dove]

It's only an extra 10 crowns by spending unless we're counting the $9.99 Battle pass but that can't be considered big spending. But yeah the extra 10 did help.

[craggy pond]

rn all spenders already have 20 more crowns over the average player, literally a guy i saw the other day said crowns are worthless because he spent 50 bucks in the game

[dry kindle]

10 crowns is a lot 🗿

[tight haven]

yea thats almost m6

[daring dove]

You can mastery 2 more talents, so basically just Akekuri who's the least important of the bunch anyway.

[tight haven]

sure but at that point its just like, none of this matters so you should save crowns unless seeing stuff unmaxed bothers you

its stuff that has 0 real impact both superficially with very unoptimed daily play nor with very specific, timelined gameplay

like AT LEAST gilb combo m3 has merits if youre willing to timeline for it since gilbs ult is very very valuable

[craggy pond]

that's why i brought up the topic of opportunity cost, no one prevents you from getting every single support in your team to the absolute max, you could argue that sure, that yields you say a 5% dmg improvement overall, but that costs probably as many crowns as building 4-5 different teams optimally

[tight haven]

ardelias combo is basically just there to apply a long-duration corro that can be kept at a very high uptime (especially with p5) due to time stop

[outer ermine]

whel talk

[tight haven]

im honestly just like, "dude this make no difference whatsoever"

[daring dove]

I have always looked at things a bit differently, at this point my accounts is the weakest it'll ever be so I'm gaining every bit of strength where I can. From my prospective this is exactly the wrong time to hoarde resources. But I get that my approach doesn't work for everyone, as most people don't have my resources to begin with so need to play it more carefully.

[tight haven]

ardes damage is negligible in all circumstances, her corro is already very manageable, her combo isnt integral to trigger since her ult does nothing

yea yea thats fair

explaining my take ig

[outer ermine]

ard ult m3 instead

[daring dove]

Only thing that goes up is damage (there isn't any) and stagger value.

[frank wind]

we did it 🥹 one more to go

[outer ermine]

but it has actual use in speedrun

[frank wind]

if u m3 mr dolly goes too far 😔

[dry kindle]

Oh it's 58 gold to m3

I don't have enough boxes for this shit

[daring dove]

I wonder if there's any merit to picking up P0 Yvonne just for ship & admin duties.

[tight haven]

shes good for growth cabin

but like

[frozen tide]

ard ult is decent dmg if every sheep hits

[tight haven]

its growth cabin.

[frozen tide]

just gamba on the sheep

[tight haven]

you're eventually gonna have enough stuff just fucking around to max everything out

rare materials are almost never gonna be your progress gate after the early game

[outer ermine]

wut comp uses gil rn i wanna play that, unless its yvonne or phy or electric

[drifting quest]

I dont think ive been rare mat gated once

[tight haven]

some lr comps use gil

[frozen tide]

they should make level 80+ and masteries deteriorate so you have to keep feeding it

[drifting quest]

Lr laev elec

[tight haven]

theyre spooky though

[drifting quest]

Are the main ones

[tight haven]

gil is super fucking generic

[drifting quest]

• yvonne

[dry kindle]

Not even

[tight haven]

anything that focuses on arts damage uses her

[outer ermine]

damn

[drifting quest]

But lr or laev requires an iq above 40

And reading comprehension

[frozen tide]

you just pop gilb ult after ur alr in lr cs anim

and it wont mess anything up

[tight haven]

shoutout to gilb

[daring dove]

I think Gilberta is a lot better than people gave her credit for especially at high investment I can see her being default BiS in a lot of teams. If nothing else for her ult & DMG gain buff from sig.

[outer ermine]

the second i try that shit ill be chasing for buffed cs and ult

[dry kindle]

Unless you're like maxing new op day 1 and you don't pre-farm you're never running out of growth chamber stuff

[tight haven]

i think gilberta does just take ardelia out back anywhere you would use ardelia rn

she feels so good when you realize how to timeline and gear for her

[outer ermine]

do u have all 3 stages @ 1min

[tight haven]

just gas and snakes

im working on a sub 1 b&a clear with laev

i have no clue what it will look like though

i feel like im approaching it entirely incorrectly

[dry kindle]

Smh fraud whel

[tight haven]

also idt i have the gear artifices to do it rn 💔

[tight haven]

[daring dove]

We have to remember how people glazed Furina in Genshin back in the day. For me Gilberta is kind of a bit of Venti & a bit of Furina all rolled into 1. Upto 61% DMG buff with a 75% uptime isn't something to overlook. Obviously that's with P5 weapon & best case scenario though.

[tight haven]

i think shes also just

REALLY

REALLY

[outer ermine]

skills on left side feels good btw go back to claw days as mobile gamer

[tight haven]

good at printing 4-stack corro

[tight haven]

omg i heard

i should try it

ngl i would like separate buttons for ult on left side

idk

[outer ermine]

i have it like

wait a min

[frozen tide]

ardelia having 0 sources of nature infliction is funny

it helped her be the f2p brick unit but its gonna come bite her in the ass

[frozen tide]

isnt furina really good even now

[outer ermine]

i moved the jump to bottom too cuz i keep pressing on it while moving camera

only thing that sucks w left is on alluvium and shit the quit/leave is almost blocking skills

[daring dove]

I mean Ardelia can provide 100% uptime upto 56% shred to an enemy. Which is ease to maintain. I don't think per position in most teams in under threat.

[frozen tide]

🤔

its under threat for lr rn

cause gilb not taking sp is massive

and gilb ceiling isnt reached yet

the tankier bosses get the better gilb is

well i mean

ard is free

which makes her rly nice

[daring dove]

It's still unlikely to supass a maxed out Ardelia in terms of damage gain for LR to be honest. I just don't think most people are at that investement with Ardelia rn.

Even I'm not

[frozen tide]

at cycle 1 probably

cycle 2 gilb starts scaling like crazy

[daring dove]

Naw, remember Ardelia is 100% uptime 56% shred, Gilberta is realistically 50% DMG with 75% uptime & 25% uptime on 40% shred.

[frozen tide]

the uptime diff hardly matters for lr

most of your dmg is in cs>ult combo

first cs wont get buffed

but first cs usually isnt full buffed anyw

[rotund yoke]

How do you even play that

[frozen tide]

and because lrs very limited aoe the grouping from gilb is very nice

[tight haven]

also gilb is able to apply 4-stack corro

and easily maintain it since her application isnt tied to such a long cd

[daring dove]

Trust me long term Ardelia will provide bigger damage gains to a team. But she isn't nearly as comfy as Gilberta that's for sure. An in AoE Gilberta absoluitely mogs her as well as in nature teams.

[outer ermine]

just

[daring dove]

I can see Gilberta still being BiS in nature teams in 2030.

[outer ermine]

u just hold ba too like pc pretty chill

[tight haven]

oh i see

yeah ive had that issue w the cam too

[rotund yoke]

I feel like putting the attack on top left and doing claw is better but that's just me

[outer ermine]

ag was more peak w
https://youtu.be/HLtiXg0yIHo

[frozen tide]

i cant imagine playing endfield on mobile

[rotund yoke]

Also playing with controller is so ass

[frozen tide]

how do you do that

[tight haven]

gilb is already getting slotted into optimal play for basically every team people have been using arde in

[frozen tide]

whats this game

[outer ermine]

aether gazet

r

[tight haven]

shes definitely not much worse and i think most players should use her because shes really easy to use

[karmic tusk]

how does antal trigger detonation unit

[frozen tide]

it was released in 2022 ive never heard of it

[outer ermine]

that zigzag u have to control w joystick and reach the skill w ur index from across the screen

[tight haven]

but the more strats get developed out the more it just appears that arde is getting optimized out

[rotund yoke]

I use both with LR because I'm a menace

[daring dove]

My personal take rn is they're both best girls & amazing supports in their own rights. Arguing over who's better is basically redundant as they're both better for different things.

[rotund yoke]

Bro she needs to stop posing 😭

[tight haven]

shes always stanced tf up

[rotund yoke]

I stop moving for 1s and she's already posing

[outer ermine]

its arpg by yongshi, was really good movement and combat wise

i dont know if they have pc port now tho

[daring dove]

I don't get why Ardelia's weapon is 25 seconds uptime as well. That's so insanely extra. Worse case she's applying Corrosion every 20 seconds anyway if we account for the time refresh is cover & you just finished your finishing move.

[frozen tide]

the corrosion is rly bad on ard cs

[daring dove]

But this an Ardelia's shred in general is only good against ST bossees. Where as Gilberta's buffs are pretty good everywhere.

[frozen tide]

because corrosion takes 10 seconds to get full potency

and the forced corro from ard lasts 7

[tight haven]

shes also got no way to extend it

its unfortunate

[frozen tide]

and forced corrosion also doesnt do initial dmg it normally does i think

[tight haven]

corro is a very good effect to abuse but shes literally just not able to atm

[dry kindle]

Intensity corrosion build when

[daring dove]

It's why this exists no?

[frozen tide]

her p5

huh

well with her p5 i suppose you get 1 second of full potency corrosion

[dry kindle]

[frozen tide]

jokes aside

p5 probably does make her corrosion not a borderline non factor any more

if you integrate it into cycle

[craggy pond]

every issue is fixed with p5

[dry kindle]

Oh corrosion is additive as well

💀

[frozen tide]

additive to what

[craggy pond]

to resistance multiplier if that's what he meant

[dry kindle]

Yea

[craggy pond]

i mean it's practically its own multiplier since resistance is fixed

[dry kindle]

Mfw 4 stack corro is 30% vs 0.8x enemy

[craggy pond]

but it can change if enemies have more resistance

[dry kindle]

And it doesn't override like breach

[craggy pond]

wait wdym breach overrides

[summer flower]

?

[tight haven]

a weaker breach will override a stronger breach if its applied on top of it

this is not true of corrosion

[frozen tide]

you can extend strong corrosion with weaker corrosion

[tight haven]

applying a weaker corrosion to a stronger corrosion will just reset its duration to the duration of the newer stack

[dry kindle]

Corrosion op plz nerf

[daring dove]

To be fair with combo skill maxed & her P5 you can almost chain corrosion on bosses. Ardelia has some really strong potentials. Her P2/P3 are really good for Umbral as well if you don't wanna be a try hard an dodge everything.

[craggy pond]

ig kinda irrelevant rn since we only have 1 source of breach

[daring dove]

Even if you are a try hard an dodge everything Ardelia's P2 can save you since it will heal your AI team mates that don't dodge everything.

[frozen tide]

so like dot technically ig

[tight haven]

to visualize:

1. gilberta applies a 4-stack generic corrosion (15s duration)
2. 10s later, after this corrosion stack achieves its max potency of 24 resistance reduction, ardelia uses her cskill to apply a 1-stack corrosion (10s duration)
   result: the stack maintains its max efficacy of 24 resistance reduction but its duration is extended to 10s based on ardelia's corrosion duration

[dry kindle]

Corrosion doesn't have a dot

[manic blade]

sniped gs mods

[frozen tide]

imma do some more testing i was testing with ard cs no other dmg or atk source

it did multiple instances of dmg outside her first 2 dmg from hit and explosion ofc

[daring dove]

I mean there's a reason this was doing the rounds.

[late swallow]

I should answer this then

[frozen tide]

ok i dont exactly know how to test this my off field operator keeps attacking

and its annoying to keep track

it was easy with just ard

since i can just not attack

but im trynna test with fluo and my chud perlica keeps attacking

maybe ill run away to where she wont attack and observe

[craggy pond]

just remove everyone from the team no

[tight haven]

the point is like

you CAN do umbral without ardelia

she just helps you if youre a bad player

or underleveled

[frozen tide]

i alr observed ard im trynna see if being forced corro makes a difference or smth

[tight haven]

optimal teams all largely use other supports like antal or gilberta

[frozen tide]

cause its not supposed to do multiple instances of dmg

[gritty olive]

Raizer did some fun stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1469718573550145659/1472688453111124230/image0.jpg?ex=69937b80&is=69922a00&hm=0943c96f0b10c3d6763bbda5a5312b016d46dbeb46d822affb93245648aeb3bf&

@twilit quail slab is very cool

Im sorry if i badmouthed it

[frozen tide]

i ran away far and now i cant tell if healthbar is moving

[daring dove]

Optimal teams for this point in the games life cycle, P5 Ardella + P5 Sig asbsolutely mobs Antal in all content even if you ignore her healing QoL.

[frozen tide]

[daring dove]

Depends what you mean by optimal.

[dry kindle]

Now where's the miner glove version

🔥

[tight haven]

i mean the fastest clears on record

they just do not use ardelia

[craggy pond]

i mean it's clear

[gritty olive]

What?

[daring dove]

Because they don't have her at the investment required.

[craggy pond]

ardelia is there for the heal

[tight haven]

this might change in the future but in the present its just how it is

[dry kindle]

Also what about 4 ebs ult

Smhsmhsmh

[tight haven]

7 ebs ult*

[gritty olive]

No

[tight haven]

[dry kindle]

Yes

[craggy pond]

wouldn't the ult charge variation get a huge boost at p4

with replacing xiranite gloves with hot work

[manic blade]

LOL

[gritty olive]

This is p0+p5 weapom

[craggy pond]

so p0 surtr but p5 weapon

[gritty olive]

Slab became better due to fucking dmg%

Thats the only way i can explain this

[frozen tide]

lemme record this ig

[craggy pond]

well i mean yeah that's what i've been saying

[manic blade]

what is ur standard build btw

[late swallow]

hotwork last tide

[craggy pond]

the only reason double slab pulled ahead which lead to the cn double slab build in the first place was p5 weapon

[keen crest]

are these docs public by chance?

[craggy pond]

because why else would the order change

[gritty olive]

[frozen tide]

ok i found out why

[craggy pond]

but well all in all hot work is likely still the most all rounded build

[frozen tide]

looking at recording

a shared turret

was shooting

😭

[drifting quest]

Nothing has changed

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[drifting quest]

Laev build is still content dependent

[frozen tide]

🔥

[drifting quest]

It will continue to be the case

[dry kindle]

Where's the fuckin 4 ebs hotwork smhsmhsmhsmhsmh

[frozen tide]

@sterile patrol yeah corro is 1 hit i was trippin

[craggy pond]

and i still think double slab is hugely a scam build since it barely pulls ahead and expects you to play perfectly

[tight haven]

it is

dw

[drifting quest]

Always has been

[tight haven]

you need to like, make so many assumptions for it to look passable

[drifting quest]

.

[frozen tide]

double slab enthusiasts showing a rotation catered for slab doing more 2 percent dmg than hot works at p5 p5

[drifting quest]

For all the changes and advancements every other team has got

Laev hyper has been a pretty straight horizontal line this entire time

[craggy pond]

"assuming enemies don't attack"

[drifting quest]

Everything 'new' for laev was already known just not popular

[dry kindle]

Well

[gritty olive]

This is why i have notes

[dry kindle]

7ebs is kinda new

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

7ebs was a cbt thing no

[frozen tide]

iana was saying 7ebs is worse than 4 ebs

[dry kindle]

No ones degenerate enough to do it tho

[gritty olive]

Whats the charge required for laev on p4?

[dry kindle]

Was it

[drifting quest]

Just niche as it still is

[frozen tide]

as weird as that sounds

[dry kindle]

Idfk

[craggy pond]

and then there will always be chinese glazers having no idea wtf they're talking about

[frozen tide]

idek how the math works on that

[dry kindle]

Not really

[craggy pond]

"chinese, must be good"

[frozen tide]

im paraphrasing

[tight haven]

76.5%

[frozen tide]

he was saying its weird

[dry kindle]

What even survives a 7ebs tho

[frozen tide]

but that its how it is

[gritty olive]

So xiranite gloves to hotwork?

[dry kindle]

Wait total or 1 rotation

[gritty olive]

Can i do anything else?

[dry kindle]

No

[drifting quest]

7ebs 1 ult

[frozen tide]

can you kill marble in 1 laev ult

[dry kindle]

Probably

[drifting quest]

Phase 2?

Yes

[dry kindle]

Assuming it doesn't iframe everything

[drifting quest]

Both phases

No

[tight haven]

yes

not both phases tho yea

theres just too much travel time in phase 1

even with p5 youre not making it across the map in time

i have beaten phase 2 in one ult though

[frozen tide]

my conception of laevs strength has been greatly altered from seeing 3 minute laev runs

[tight haven]

just watch my sub 1 umbral runs

👍

[frozen tide]

i know shes strong but when i hear her name it doesnt feel as strong in my heart any more

[drifting quest]

Nothing has changed

[frozen tide]

whered u send

[drifting quest]

Gotta become a motto atp

[frozen tide]

only my vibe perception has yes

[frozen tide]

lets take a look

[gritty olive]

WHAT THE FUCK

[frozen tide]

whel

[tight haven]

still working on sub 1 b&a and i think its just gonna require me to max artifice my second set of seals

[gritty olive]

I ARTIFICED THESE ONE TRY EACH

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[tight haven]

because i NEED another gilb ult but im consistently off by a marginal amount

[drifting quest]

[frozen tide]

why does laevs final strike like tether on to nearby enemies

[tight haven]

do you mean her combo?

it attacks every enemy with combustion/corrosion

[frozen tide]

oh is it her combo

[tight haven]

yea

this is why wulf is fucking nutty for her

you basically use it to on-demand air strike

[frozen tide]

i thought its fs cause it proced as soon as an enemy got stance broken

whel char

[tight haven]

oh lol it looks very similar to it

[craggy pond]

it's thanks to wulf's ult

[tight haven]

she also does a jump up

[craggy pond]

it's an aoe combustion

[frozen tide]

whats music on this

[tight haven]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1oHbgg5WYa7WOJC8VoBVYi?si=f2e27414b7144b2e

i cba to learn how to not record all system audio on my phone when i record

[dry kindle]

Can you even

[tight haven]

probably

theres probably an app

[rotund yoke]

I mean most modern phones already have that built in no?

[frozen tide]

install windows on your phone

[dry kindle]

Real

[frozen tide]

attatch an external gpu

[dry kindle]

Just install OBS

[frozen tide]

get a cooling pad

[tight haven]

also probably

[dry kindle]

Not build in

Apps severe maybe

[rotund yoke]

Just buy redmagic 11

[dry kindle]

Probably have to capture card

[rotund yoke]

It has both built in fan and water cooling

[dry kindle]

ATP just play PC tho

[dry kindle]

Buy me rog phone

[rotund yoke]

Nah can't pocket it

[rotund yoke]

That shit is discontinued

[dry kindle]

Its so over

[frozen tide]

the phone of thesius

import every pc software and attach every pc hardware

[tight haven]

i should probably just start playing ef on pc

at the very least so that i can record stuff in better quality

[frozen tide]

until no piece of the phone remains

[tight haven]

its just sooooo comfy on mobile

[craggy pond]

what is the most you can modify a phone before it can no longer be called a phone

[tight haven]

if it has a cooling fan its not a phone anymore

imo

[frozen tide]

so i can just attach a fan to my ordinary ass phone

and its a pc?

[tight haven]

its an unsightly chimera escaped from its cruel master's lab and begging for death

[gritty olive]

is p4 charge set

tidefall + hotwork gloves + 2 reddemer seal?

[frozen tide]

ye

[tight haven]

yep

[dry kindle]

I expect 480fps 1440p

[tight haven]

sorry i can only do 960fps 8k

[frozen tide]

gawdamn

[tight haven]

working with martian technology

please understand

[frozen tide]

bro has like 8 rtx 8000s

also how do you get your fps higher than 120

[tight haven]

in ef?

you cant

theres no way to uncap the fps

[modest thorn]

i saw someone ask about a rotation tracking website, does anyone know what site it was?

[tight haven]

you can use frame interpolation

[gritty olive]

hm im getting loeer damage

[rotund yoke]

Lossless scaling x10 fram gen where every frames are fake

[tight haven]

true

[gritty olive]

endaxis?

[tight haven]

9/10 of the frames are a nightmare generated from elden ring, god of war and stardew valley

[modest thorn]

ooh yeah that one thanks

[frozen tide]

i finally got one

a +3 deto

😭

[dry kindle]

Well

[frozen tide]

i dont have to essence farm for 3 hours a day no more

[frozen tide]

we're all friends here arent we

spill the tea

[tight haven]

just frame generation

[dry kindle]

Nah you can uncap with file editing

[frozen tide]

ive reported you to cia

say goodbye to your family

[tight haven]

oh

hmm

[dry kindle]

No fun zone

[daring dove]

Love how balanced my Last Rite build is.

[frozen tide]

what

who are you using khrav on

snowshine?

[daring dove]

Level 1 character level 90 weapon.

[tight haven]

i need to be less lucky

with 50/50s

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[frozen tide]

you need to stop yappin

[tight haven]

[frozen tide]

100 pulls in no gilb

[dry kindle]

Just p5 yvonne

[tight haven]

NOOOOOO

[frozen tide]

and mf talkin bout sum i need to stop getting lucky

[tight haven]

please please please on my 60 pulls on yvonnes banner

either no 6* or lose the 50/50

[frozen tide]

i lost 50 50 to laev

[tight haven]

i dont want her

please...

[frozen tide]

i dont want her

[tight haven]

💔

[dry kindle]

Ew MF doing whel strats

[rotund yoke]

Is that even worth it

[tight haven]

everything is whaling to you people

spending $1,000,000 is whaling

[rotund yoke]

60 pulls on the banner you don't like for 10 pulls on the next banner

[tight haven]

starting a money laundering scheme using cryptocurrency is whaling

getting yvonne is whaling.

[modest thorn]

80 pulls for the cost of 60 aint too bad tho

[frozen tide]

if you have more bands than us ur a whale

if you have more 6 stars than us ur a whale

[craggy pond]

unless you get 3 yvonnes in the process which defeats the point

[frozen tide]

if one of us get lucky with pulls

[craggy pond]

[frozen tide]

they are a whale

[modest thorn]

if you have anything above p1 wulfguard you're a whale

[frozen tide]

wait how many p5 5 stars do i have

lemme check

[outer ermine]

[frozen tide]

im missing 2

[craggy pond]

i only have wulfgard and to this day i can't believe i actually sniped it

[frozen tide]

wulf and avy

both p3

[craggy pond]

for whatever reason i was under the impression that the game gave out free wulf copies for surtr

[gritty olive]

i have dapan at p10

[craggy pond]

but ig i was just lucky

[frozen tide]

i have like p15 snowshine

yippeee

[daring dove]

You think I should swap my Ardelia to will Armor? Boost her healing some? It's not like she needs Intellect arguably either?

[frozen tide]

you can if youd like

as long as you have 3 piece xira

[craggy pond]

that's what i use, poncho t1

[frozen tide]

i use 2x heal amp pieces for qol

unless im going for trims or smth

[gritty olive]

im now out of xiranite components

[frozen tide]

i then use ult charge ult dmg

[craggy pond]

does she need nearly that much healing

[frozen tide]

ard ult actually helps break pillars

[gritty olive]

back to processing them agai

[craggy pond]

[frozen tide]

no but like what else do i want on her

theres nothing

[daring dove]

Yeah I'll give it a try it barely impacts her damage at all since her sig gives a nice secondary stat boost.

[craggy pond]

i mean i just try to hit higher ult breakpoints in case it helps

[daring dove]

But will make her healing a lot more meaty

[frozen tide]

which is what i do for bosses as well

i also half afk farm a lot

with turrets

but the turrets dont full stunlock so my rite is sometimes on verge of death

nice to get full with an ard skill or two

[craggy pond]

can you actually die in the overworld

i can't even if i wanted to

[frozen tide]

if im afking yes lol

with energy alluvium open

[daring dove]

Yeah that made a big difference her sheep went from healing 421 to 570 per sheep.

[tight haven]

unironically

arts int

[frozen tide]

why

[rotund yoke]

Water and cliff

[frozen tide]

for corrosion dmg?

[rotund yoke]

[tight haven]

yeah its kinda dogshit because shes hard locked to 1-stack corro

[tight haven]

it boosts corrosion efficacy

[frozen tide]

i do not ever let corrosion sit

i wait close to 25 secs

proc cs

and insta bs

as soon as corro hits

[tight haven]

the formula is CorrosionValue * (1+((2*ArtsInt)/(300+ArtsInt)))

[frozen tide]

yeah but in my cycle i never have corrosion sitting

[drifting quest]

Is that the right formula

[tight haven]

yeah it doesnt matter much

but it matters

[craggy pond]

it is

[drifting quest]

There's 3 and every time it gets brought up someone says a different one

[craggy pond]

i just never found a need for it because i consume the corrosion anyway

and it barely lasted long enough for it to matter

[tight haven]

no its the correct one

[drifting quest]

I assumed it was but no one ever has like a link

[craggy pond]

just use the wiki

can't go wrong there

[frozen tide]

its cause theres the actual formula and a formula that works in certain intervals of arts int and theres a formula thats not the actual formula but gives the same result