theorycrafting

[wild meteor]

[frozen tide]

Wulf doesn't even rly use clan third line

[tranquil burrow]

It is additive with the 4 billion sources of %dmg unless this is misinfo

[wild meteor]

I'm using a level 1 obj on him rn

[tranquil burrow]

Weapon is generic enough

[twilit quail]

arts dmg dealt is dmg%

dude

if it was

[drifting quest]

Damage taken is sep

[twilit quail]

in fragile bracket

everyone would be fucking RAVING

[wild meteor]

I was asking around for who else is able to use it earlier.

But it doesn't seem like anyone can

[tranquil burrow]

Just use Path of Exile logic for stats, it translates

[twilit quail]

cause it would be a fucking

[frozen tide]

atk * dmg bonus mult * vuln/amp * susceptibility

[twilit quail]

ardelia sig with 70% uptime

[frozen tide]

Its in the dmg bonus mult?

[tranquil burrow]

inb4 Tangtang can, she's looking phys though

[twilit quail]

that cost 0 sp

[green cipher]

If sus is frag bracket game will explode

[frozen tide]

I swear to god that i was told dmg dealt was in the vuln bracket

[wild meteor]

What wep in is the fragile bracket

[frozen tide]

In tc

[twilit quail]

oh for fuck's sake I just remembered it's not called fragile in english

it's just called damage taken

[tranquil burrow]

Basically, %dmg buffs of all kinds are additive as long as they're on the operator, taken is separate because it's a debuff on the target instead

[green cipher]

Insane dmg enabling

[frozen tide]

But then theres amp

[tranquil burrow]

I worded it poorly, let me edit

[twilit quail]

i fucking hate the terminology they used

[wild meteor]

So buffs, amp and DMG taken are different buckets for DMG?

[twilit quail]

in english

it's actually so bad

[tranquil burrow]

Idk they seem well chosen

[frozen tide]

"atk * dmg bonus mult * vuln/amp * susceptibility" this is smth i have saved in my notes copied from tc

[tranquil burrow]

Amp very much implies a separate mult

[frozen tide]

Im guessing its right but that im misinterpreting

The categories

[green cipher]

Is link separate * too

[valid zealot]

Yeah.

[frozen tide]

So cryo dmg bonus skill dmg bonus etc would all go on dmg bonus mult

Does dmg amp go in there or vuln

Like xai ult

I would guess its vuln/amp but i wanna make sure

[tranquil burrow]

Dmg amp should be a separate multi than %dmg done

[frozen tide]

And what im being told rn is dmg dealt wording is in the dmg bonus category?

[drifting quest]

damage dealt is the same as dmg%

[tranquil burrow]

Like 8% dmg amplification just implies it multiplies final %dmg value by 8%

[drifting quest]

damage taken is 'vulnerability'

not to be confused with the physical status

[green cipher]

So much stuff going on

[frozen tide]

Dmg taken is different bucket from susc from electrification corrosion

[green cipher]

Just stack everything else = Win smh

[wild meteor]

Qn after artificing laevatain, who did you focus on after? Ake/wulf/Ardelia?

[frozen tide]

So like (atk x dmg bonus mult/dmg dealt bonus mult x amp/dmg taken x susceptibility)

[tranquil burrow]

%dmg done, %dmg, %arts dmg, %cryo dmg or whatever, %increase dmg if there's one, whatever else - they should all be additive.

If there's a more dmg keyword though I have a gut feeling it'll be a separate multi

[green cipher]

Nothing

[rare zodiac]

dmg taken is same with Elec, corro is res down, same with Lae talent

[tranquil burrow]

Amp and dmg taken should be separate multipliers

[wild meteor]

Did you end up doing that lynx slab artificing?

[frozen tide]

Ok so vuln and amp are separate buckets

[green cipher]

Id focus on wulf ult gain eff but I'm lazy

[frozen tide]

Vuln is same as fragile

[tranquil burrow]

I still don't know where keywords like vuln or fragile are coming from

[green cipher]

Fragile when the boss is staggered

Vul is = more damage taken

[tranquil burrow]

I'd expect fragile to be a unique 1.3x multi then unless this is misinfo

if fragile = stagger

[frozen tide]

So (atk x dmg bonus mult/dmg dealt bonus mult x amp x dmg taken/susceptibility/fragile)?

[proud vector]

It is

[frozen tide]

Bruh

[proud vector]

A ton of stuff are in unique brackets

[tranquil burrow]

Just use Path of Exile logic, it works until it doesn't

[frozen tide]

(atk x dmg bonus mult/dmg dealt bonus mult x amp x dmg taken/susceptibility x fragile)

Is this it then

[tranquil burrow]

I'd blame Endfield though if it didn't

[green cipher]

Vul/sus is taking more dmg
Frag is so soft/brittle it will take more dmg

[twilit quail]

it's not good to refer to the stagger multiplier as fragile cause it like

it just gets confused

wit hother things

[green cipher]

Just stack everything atp

[proud vector]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation

[green cipher]

And call it a day

[frozen tide]

I am plenty confused currently

[twilit quail]

exactly

[tranquil burrow]

That's the idea, it's always a balancing act

Opportunity cost yadda yadda

Hence why people don't build crit

[frozen tide]

Theres no way this is it

How many fucking multipliers are there

[proud vector]

Stagger damage form gear is different from fragile though

[frozen tide]

[proud vector]

To be fair like 3 of them are like mechanics based

[green cipher]

Rule of thumb, too much bad, balance good then tweak stuff as you go idk

[proud vector]

Like the damage can be reduced to AI companions for one of the brackets LOL

Probably for big ass AoE’s

[twilit quail]

basically, everything other than dmg% is almost completely undiluted

[frozen tide]

Weaken multiplier is like susc and dmg taken right

[twilit quail]

it isnt in the dmg% bracket? it's good

[quasi quarry]

is JET better than Cohesive Traction at all pots? does its lower buff uptime cause in any issues in rotation in comparison or no?

[tranquil burrow]

There's also resist reduction from stuff like corrosion which is probably another separate mult

[twilit quail]

jet always better in all cases

by a significant margin

[proud vector]

Check the link for a more in depth description

[frozen tide]

Corrosion is separate from electrification??

[proud vector]

Of each individual bracket

[frozen tide]

My brain

[proud vector]

Yes they are diff brackets

It’s funny

[green cipher]

Corrosion is -res

[quasi quarry]

hmm i think I'll grab it then, I dont have any other weapons i want from the selector

[twilit quail]

corrosion is not in its own bracket, it affects the resistance bracket

[tranquil burrow]

I don't really remember what each arts reaction does, but whichever reduces resistances will also be a separate multi. Idk what electric does.

[proud vector]

it’s also why Xaihi is a goddess
Her Amp is in its own little bracket reserved just for amp

Link is similar

[green cipher]

Ofc if the enemy has -res they will take more dmg from said element

[frozen tide]

1. Corrosion 2. Electrification 3. Arts susc
   Which of these are same bracket

[green cipher]

But its not dmg taken

[twilit quail]

none of them

[frozen tide]

Cool man

[proud vector]

Wait isn’t elec arts damage taken

[green cipher]

It is

[proud vector]

Isn’t that — oh susc

That’s a diff bracket yes

[tranquil burrow]

What was susc again

I thought it was %dmg taken

[twilit quail]

this is like the whole point of optimising in this game

[proud vector]

Ardelia skill

[twilit quail]

dipping into as many brackets as possible

[proud vector]

Lifeng skill

It’s different from additional damage taken from X

[green cipher]

Yeah as we all know too much bad

[proud vector]

it’s like damage% is just full of a lot of stuff so it’s compact compared to the rest BUT

[tranquil burrow]

Can't wait for a support that gives +200% atk and maybe we finally build crit

[proud vector]

You can stack a LOT of damage percent

so it’s still good

[twilit quail]

with a phys support that gives +200% atk

finally, never rest will be good

[green cipher]

Givez 200% atk buff but -200%cdmg

[peak void]

nah let never rest rest

[tranquil burrow]

Yvonne sig too

[valid zealot]

It never got the chance to do anything.

[tranquil burrow]

It's all a Yvonne upscale

[twilit quail]

I mean all of yvonne's weapons are just varying degrees of the same things

[valid zealot]

So technically not rest.

[twilit quail]

they all have dmg%

and some cr

she needs atk

and like

if they gave ice atk

[frozen tide]

Stanza thermite support

[twilit quail]

you know who else would be fuckin

[green cipher]

As basic attack unit she def need attack

[twilit quail]

creeping up behind her

with a steel chair

[frozen tide]

Put in the atk avengers

[drifting quest]

last rite gaming

[tranquil burrow]

Jakub's Legacy carries until the fabled support arrives

or whatever that +27% atk food was

[frozen tide]

It is jakub

[drifting quest]

there's like not a single buff you can give to ice that doesnt also benefit lr as much as yvonne except like exactly cryo susceptibility

[frozen tide]

The vibes tells me that ginseng is better tho

[green cipher]

Yeah imagine enemies have crit res or crit defense

[drifting quest]

because lr has that already but yvonne does not

ginseng vs jakub depends on unit

i have a simple calculator for it

[valid zealot]

Handcannon user +200% atk

runfast

[tranquil burrow]

How does this sound: if char has %atk from weapon, you go Ginseng, if not, you go Jakub

[green cipher]

Give my laevatain 100 atk speed buff

[pure spoke]

guys do you knw how to get past them?

[drifting quest]

not generic, what about atk% from gear? external atk% like stanza or thermite? what about units who also stack a ton of main/sec stat?

[frozen tide]

Kill them

[pure spoke]

i tried with bombs

[frozen tide]

I dont think you can currently

[pure spoke]

oh i see

maybe they are gatekeeping Nearl the radiant knight behind them

future kazimierz event

[green cipher]

Me studying overnight for endfield dmg calculation over my accounting bs

[frozen tide]

Use your accounting sheet degree into use

Make a plug and play calculator

[valid zealot]

Average mf with a loving family, proper education, no trauma:

[boreal coral]

What is the difference between stanza and ardelia sig on lae team? I’ve got pot3 stanza

[green cipher]

Nuuu

[twilit quail]

it's just very bizarre how they've sculpted this numerical environment in this game

hmm

yes

dmg%

[pure spoke]

you are 100% describing me

[valid zealot]

It goes in the square hole?

[twilit quail]

god i fucking hate never rest

[frozen tide]

Starry gives arts dmg taken

[tranquil burrow]

Ardelia debuff is much better but it costs 100 SP. It lasts a long time tho. I like using it.

[bitter cove]

never rest is such a lame name

[frozen tide]

Why is starry not goated with the sauce

[green cipher]

I feel like how the dmg calc works makes the power creep much slower unless im stoopid

[twilit quail]

it's such a lame localisation

[tranquil burrow]

It's goated but it costs SP

[twilit quail]

it conveys exactly none of the sauce it has

in chinese

[drifting quest]

'how do we nerf this strong thing?'
'idk change its buff to a dmg% one'

[tranquil burrow]

One good thing about Gilb sig is that it's basically free even if the buff itself is whatever

as an example

[frozen tide]

Im just trynna figure out why gilbs output increase for team is greater than ard during ult

Cause ard has both susc and dmg taken

With starry

[green cipher]

Yeah imagine her sig gives amp instead of dmg taken

[twilit quail]

the evil corrosion:

[frozen tide]

Ic

Corrosion really could be goated somewhere along the lines

[tranquil burrow]

Gilb's susc is much stronger than Ardelia's

[twilit quail]

and also 2nd cycle

with 54% suscept

with p2

[tranquil burrow]

They will find ways to gut it if they introduce Hoyo style resistance based shilling in endgame

[green cipher]

If its like ardelia, and we have units rn dont want their inflictions getting used over some other shi

[drifting quest]

wait where is 54% coming from

isnt it 42

[frozen tide]

Gilb with the stanza brick coming in for the 1.4 sub 8 minute ardashir trim

[twilit quail]

with p2

[drifting quest]

yeah im talking about p2

[tranquil burrow]

42% is P0 so something about P2 must be it

[drifting quest]

isnt it 6x2

[twilit quail]

30+6*4

what

[drifting quest]

isnt p0 3x1

[twilit quail]

on 2nd cycle even if you fuck up tremendously you have 3 vuln stacks at least

[drifting quest]

oh

extra vuln

that makes more sense

[twilit quail]

is it the selective reading striking again

[drifting quest]

yes

i missed 2nd cycle part

read only 54% at p2

[valid zealot]

When there's a debate break out in #tc and a whole zoo appears in the damage doc.

[frozen tide]

What does that mean

How does a zoo appear

[craggy pond]

wait i kept seeing fragile in these documents but wtf is fragile

i don't think i even recall seeing that in the game

[frozen tide]

Something something tower of babel

[green cipher]

[tranquil burrow]

Apparently stagger

[frozen tide]

Its a name people put for a sub group of dmg multiplier additive to each other

[rose tree]

Reading skill haver reduced day by day

[frozen tide]

That's not official translation

[rose tree]

[tranquil burrow]

Oh that CNY event is finally here

[valid zealot]

The document is translated from CN

[craggy pond]

so it's just the x1.3 stagger multiplier

[green cipher]

People can read, then theres comprehension

[craggy pond]

made me tweaking for a good few days

[twilit quail]

it is a colloquial name

for damage taken bracket

[craggy pond]

wait isn't damage taken the same multiplier as other "increased damage taken" effects like electrification and breach

[tranquil burrow]

Should be

[green cipher]

I'm gonna hold your hands when I tell you this

[tranquil burrow]

He didn't wash his hands

[frozen tide]

I can confirm

I was there

[craggy pond]

wait so does this mean you refer to fragile as the "vulnerability" bracket in the dmg documentation while the source itself refers to it as stagger

ts confusing asf

[frozen tide]

Highkey there should be a pin clarifying what wording of buff/debuff goes into which multiplier bracket

[twilit quail]

did I call it vulnerability somewhere in my document?

maybe

[frozen tide]

For en specific

Sounds like an amazing idea to me

[twilit quail]

ok no I didnt

[craggy pond]

no i mean like in the dmg documentation by sten, he calls the dmg taken bracket "vulnerability"

this one

[twilit quail]

directly translated chinese term then

脆弱 and 易伤

[tight haven]

time to never use you

[twilit quail]

usually refer to the same thing

[craggy pond]

because he explicitly said "without being labaled as fragile" while you said it IS fragile so it's somewhat confusing

[twilit quail]

yeah the stagger multiplier isnt in the same bracket

which is why it's best to just call it that

the stagger multiplier

[craggy pond]

yeah i normally just call it stagger

idek where fragile comes from tbh unless it's a translation thing

[twilit quail]

people use terms for fun

[valid zealot]

In the doc they call stagger mult vuln too.

[twilit quail]

gg

xd

well ok now that I imagine it in chinese

it makes sense in chinese

[valid zealot]

Like

[twilit quail]

but not in english

do you know what I mean?

[fading fog]

the real reward from the event was the almost 20k tcreds for just clicking share honestly

[valid zealot]

Yeah.

My language is lot closer to Chinese than English.

[twilit quail]

wrestling with the english usage of the vernacular

was the biggest issue I faced

while making my document

[valid zealot]

icant

[twilit quail]

"Why the fuck is this called vulnerability"x100000

[frozen tide]

[valid zealot]

Out of synonyms?

[frozen tide]

English translations for the game is not quite perfect as in its fucking dogshit

[craggy pond]

wait actually i wanna clarify something, the phys vulnerable is just stack counts for phys status and doesn't actually serve as a multiplier right?

[frozen tide]

Certain talent descriptions are misleading at best

Wrong at face value

[craggy pond]

because it feels weird asf to have it labeled as vulnerable while not actually applying vulnerability

[twilit quail]

correct!

hence

WHY THE FUCK IS IT CALLED VULNERABILITY

it's unplayable game

Im telling you

[valid zealot]

Like the doc actually has other multipliers different from "vulnerability" but in its own description they are all "vulnerability" again..

[drifting quest]

ITS LITERALLY JUST BECAUSE OF OTHER GACHA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[valid zealot]

And "vulnerability" isn't even actual "vulnerability" in the game.

[drifting quest]

STANDARDS DO NOT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED BETWEEN DIFFERENT GAMES

[craggy pond]

there're 3 refrences of vulnerability in the doc and none of it in the game

while the actual vulnerable doesn't actually apply vulnerability

absolute cinema

[twilit quail]

do I need to make a document for this?

[frozen tide]

Yes

Please

[valid zealot]

IremWaitaMeowment

Too much work.

[frozen tide]

[valid zealot]

Aint you on holiday.

[drifting quest]

just make a copy of the current one and reword the annoying parts i guess

[twilit quail]

im at my family's for CNY and have nothing to do sometimes

while I procrastinate

once I leave for shanghai

I will be busy again

with actual things to do

[frozen tide]

Bro has a life lmao

[valid zealot]

clueless

[civic wolf]

so now that the endgame has established that Ember is actually useful

will the spreadsheet have an ember phys comp page or nah

[mystic halo]

what usefulness

the poison stage is soloed by chen

[frozen tide]

Which endgame are we speaking of

[civic wolf]

the umbral, like, it isn't necessarily better on paper DPS but at least you can just facetank everything as her, no?

[drifting quest]

nothing has changed

with the introduction of monument

[civic wolf]

since 10mins is very lenient

[late swallow]

you can, that's how I play phys
not optmized tho

[drifting quest]

the same disclaimers in practice before still are

aka usable if you have skill issue but learn to dodge bro

[tranquil burrow]

I believe it already mentions Ember in phys comps, it was updated a few days ago

[civic wolf]

all this is just to ask if there's an Ember build somewhere i can reference

[late swallow]

lynx

[pure spoke]

How comes?

[mystic halo]

just use xiranite man

wrong server man

[bitter cove]

wrong game

[fringe thicket]

mb

[civic wolf]

god i wish Lynae's here so i can rollerskate all over the region

[fringe thicket]

they have the same channel sorry jaja

[civic wolf]

oh, THAT Wuwa server.

[fringe thicket]

FS

yeah

[civic wolf]

thank god it isn't Wuwa maincord

💀

[pure spoke]

I see thank you have a nice day

[frozen tide]

Ember build huh

[blazing lake]

Wuwacord got off topic nuked

Bad game

[frozen tide]

Probably just swordmancer for dmg?

Thinking about ember optimization is weird

Because using ember is trading off teams dmg for survivability

But how much would you do that for gear as well

Like do you run her sig for more shield

And gear to increase heals

[late swallow]

I dont

[frozen tide]

Or do you run sundering with swordmancer and build her like every other phys

[late swallow]

prob should swap my Ember from heal bot to do some damage

not gonna bother nvm

[modest thorn]

At p5 is clannibal or obj better?

[late swallow]

obj for ult charge

[frozen tide]

Obj unless you figure out an effective way to weave in clan buff

[fading fog]

I got a 40k increase on the screenshot number alone going from p1 stanza to p0 delivery on gilb

[frozen tide]

Obj is rly nice cause it lets you hit wulf ult bp where you can basically ult off cd

[fading fog]

and now stanza is free for perlica to use so I can even go gilb main dps

[late swallow]

80% of the fire team are ult bots so you want charge everywhere

edit: 100% Laev is another ult bot

[frozen tide]

Delivery is bis for yvonne comp gilb

[twilit quail]

oh shit

the guy finished the maths

p0 gil is actually just better if the enemy isnt dead in 1 combo and you enter with ult

[plain wigeon]

In a team in general who's the character who's supposed to stay on field?

[twilit quail]

he says he's going to make a video tmw

[bitter cove]

compared to what? iwasnt following since the begining

[valid zealot]

P0 compare to?

[twilit quail]

vs ard

[craggy pond]

compared to ardelia?

[twilit quail]

with xai perlica

[bitter cove]

wao

[tight haven]

• main damage dealer
• operator with the easiest-to-animation-cancel basic attack sequence or least intrusive battle skill

this is why you see people mostly controlling chen in phys teams

[plain wigeon]

Because she deals the most damage?

[frozen tide]

Chen does so much dmg

[frozen tide]

Lifeng would if it wasnt for his 5 decade animations

[tight haven]

lifeng's battle skill takes almost two seconds to cast, pog's damage stinks and dapan/endmin usually arent controlled for a variety of reasons (even though endmin does have some timesave on animation cancels)

[frozen tide]

Lifengs attack just is absurd

[plain wigeon]

Because the former's skillls are easily missable? (ED/DP)

[tight haven]

lifeng deals the most direct damage yeah

dapan/endmin just capitalize on crush so they have most of the damage share

[tight haven]

partly yes

you prefer having them on ai since they just home in on enemies

[twilit quail]

also their basic chains

are not as good as chen's

chen basics are unbelievable

[plain wigeon]

So for an electric team
Avy, Perl, Arc and Gilb.
Who should be on field? Perlica or Gilberta?

[tight haven]

yeah chen basics are dummy easy to save time on with smart dodges

[twilit quail]

people like avy

for a bunch of reasons

but you have to swap for finishers

and stuff

avy basics have terrible dmg

[proud vector]

Avy on field is good for aiming spears

[tight haven]

yeah even for phys teams you swap to lifeng for finishers

[fading fog]

gilberta ult past m1 is just extra dmg right?

[tight haven]

because he prints damage with his finishers

[tight haven]

yes

[proud vector]

I believe the spears will go to the AI avy’s position if you use her skill

[twilit quail]

it goes to active's

[proud vector]

Which is highly unpredictable

[fading fog]

aight I'll just stop at m1 then

[proud vector]

Ah good

The direction they get thrown at then from combo?

Still from active or AI

[frozen tide]

The gilb sub dps build tho

[plain wigeon]

so how about Perl on field and switch to Avy when battle skill with spears?

[twilit quail]

for combo it's like rng

if you are not on her

so people dont like it

similar with ult spear

sometimes just goes into narnia

it's a finicky char and the spears are almost all your damage

so you need to obe precise

[frozen tide]

Avy has such high burst dmg

But it takes so long to set up

Takes longer than rite doing 3 4

[noble tapir]

God do I really have to build Alesh for Yvonne…

[tight haven]

man the sub 1 with laev on ballista and axe...

[frozen tide]

If you want an all female team you can run fluo tho itll be worse

[tight haven]

i feel like its doable but super fucking precise

[frozen tide]

[tight haven]

i wonder if hot works is better than ult spam

[tranquil burrow]

I have accepted that I'll use Yvonne as a 3 man

[frozen tide]

Like a lot worse probably

Yvonne needs that sp more than rite

[tranquil burrow]

The 4th slot will stay for the mythical support we'll be surely getting

[noble tapir]

I dont mind that he’s a guy, I just don’t want really like his gameplay design lol

[twilit quail]

it's so cooked when I see yvonne player going like

"yeah you have to take estella to perfect manage the stagger"

[tranquil burrow]

I hate his design

[twilit quail]

"or you just cant do any damage with this ult"

[tranquil burrow]

He gives me sleazeball vibes

[twilit quail]

this dogshit char

[tight haven]

they should have given her sig crit damage

idfk

[noble tapir]

Ok but counter point. Have you seen her gear screen pose

[tight haven]

she got that shit out

[valid zealot]

No thanks.

[twilit quail]

can she just wear nicer clothes instead

maybe

[tranquil burrow]

If I have to go 120 + 80 for her I might lose it a lil

I still want Tangtang & Rossi & Mi Fu and maybe skip Fangyi

[frozen tide]

Dead homies fr

[twilit quail]

I only want the 4 next limted characters

nothing could go wrong

[frozen tide]

I hate yvonnes bop fit

[noble tapir]

I only want everyone. I’m not greedy

[proud vector]

I want to like Estelle
Shatter solidify for 2 lifts on top sounds so solid…

[frozen tide]

Gilberta my beloved

[tranquil burrow]

What if they give free Tangtang at AR58

[uneven rose]

Is it better to take Laev essence from 5/5/3 to 6/6/3 or take the rest of the team to 4/4/2 first?

[noble tapir]

Why is Estelle not better than alesh for Yvonne actually? I haven’t really deep dived her yet cause I don’t have her

[heady pine]

Laev

[frozen tide]

No complaints from me sir

[twilit quail]

so estella cant apply stacks at a rate that is better than 100 sp/stack

[tranquil burrow]

I want everyone and their sig to complete the drip

[twilit quail]

which is troubling

the only thing she has is like stagger management

and maybe vuln application for gli

but she is also so bad at this

she risks having the vulns fall off between rotations

[frozen tide]

Alesh can also use thermite

And has a better ult

[fading fog]

I've been having the most fun with Yvonne so far and I think her damage is pretty good actually

[tranquil burrow]

but looks like a sleazebag

[uneven rose]

For Yvonne with MI security set 3/3. Pulser lab gloves or MI security hands ppe?

[twilit quail]

yvonne has to use crit chest & hands(both with basic%)

cr kit

and 1 slab

[tight haven]

iana you should probably call them mi sec chest/hands

not crit

because there are crit variants LOL

[noble tapir]

Nah that is the crit set

[frozen tide]

So alesh gives sp uses and procs thermite and has better multipliers than estelle

[foggy birch]

Guys for endmin, what's the best dps set for him?

[frozen tide]

🔥

[noble tapir]

Me, a no-thermite haver :(

[twilit quail]

yvonne cant even get ult cost reduction in dupes

to make things easier

it's just so wack

[fading fog]

I tried thinking up some faster rots with ult gain on yvonne but then the supports would have to sacrifice set bonuses for an extra slab so you just end up with less damage honestly

[twilit quail]

taking ult gain is such a terrible loss of damage

it sucks so much

because one seal makes it feel a lot better

[drifting quest]

yvonne novaflare 1.1

[twilit quail]

but your damage is considerably worse

she desperately needs atk

[noble tapir]

Can she even hit a breakpoint that’s relevant like laev?

[twilit quail]

one seal can give her a relevant breakpoint

but it tanks the damage too much to be worth

[fading fog]

yea

[noble tapir]

Sad

[frozen tide]

Its that much difference

From missing one slab?

[twilit quail]

almost 15%

[frozen tide]

💀

[uneven rose]

Sorry I'm ignoranr. What's one slab?

[frozen tide]

Lynx slab

[twilit quail]

sorry I mistyped

[tight haven]

lynx slab, its a kit

[twilit quail]

it's not 25%

[frozen tide]

Gives main attribute percent

[twilit quail]

but it's still a lot

[frozen tide]

Yeah

25 did sound insane

15 still is tbh

[tight haven]

what the fuck

theres no way right

[twilit quail]

it still hurts like hell

[drifting quest]

p1 has more energy or whatnot

but no ult cost down

lmao

[twilit quail]

yeah she has p1 which you know about(doesnt open up new gearing)

[rugged vale]

Just wait for Yvonne module

[noble tapir]

It’s ok I have laev and physical team built already. Yvonne is just for fun

[tight haven]

WHAT

WHERE IS IT

[twilit quail]

p2 is just stats

[drifting quest]

3 units in the game

have no ult cost reduction

endmin

snowshine

and yvonne

[tight haven]

oh they hate her

they haaaaaaaaate her

[twilit quail]

yeah yvonne gets sp refund which is just literally actively detrimental LMAO

[tight haven]

holy SHIT

[drifting quest]

what a shock that the worst 5*, one of the worst 6's both lack ult cost down potentials

[twilit quail]

if that dupe was her p1

[tranquil burrow]

Endmin P5 will be "Invert target's resistances on ult" and it'll be so peak

[twilit quail]

that would be a p1 that is strictly detrimental

[fading fog]

p1 can be a breakpoint but xaihi has to go full energy to ult

[valid zealot]

Did they print Endmin p2+ back in cbt

[tight haven]

unbe-fucking-lievable

[drifting quest]

the -40% res boss nuke phase now becoming a +40% impossible to kill

[fading fog]

so you have less int for ult amp

[tight haven]

why do they hate yvonne so much

[drifting quest]

she aint a reconvener

[tight haven]

true...

[tranquil burrow]

trust the new tech that comes out once majority has her, surely

[frozen tide]

How is yvonnes pots so ass when shes a striker

Aren't strikers supposed to have big dmg increase pots or sum

[drifting quest]

no

[valid zealot]

Not Yvon apperantly.

[tight haven]

not... really?

[twilit quail]

well we have established already that they just dont like her so

[valid zealot]

No but like

Yvon pot is nothing but damage

[frozen tide]

Laev and lr have both straight base multiplier increase pots

[tight haven]

even laev is, liberally, a 30% team performance/40% solo performance increase from p0 to p5

[valid zealot]

Which is why it's bad.

[tranquil burrow]

Strikers (dps) sell most in gacha but AKE just has mediocre dupes. I'd really rather have this than Hoyo style dupes.

[tight haven]

okay yeah no yvonne's pots are uniquely bad

[fading fog]

I prefer huge increases and kit fixes not being locked behind dupes like in other games

[twilit quail]

ult cost down is so good man

[tight haven]

all her pots suck besides p1

[frozen tide]

😭

[tight haven]

and p1 is only good because she struggles so hard with generating ult

her p5 is such a negligible increase

[frozen tide]

Maybe i don't see the vision but i don't see potential in yvonne

People are always saying she just doesn't have the right support

[tight haven]

any future potential for her would have to be incredibly targeted not to retain her spot as just "worse LR"

[valid zealot]

Wdym Yvon support, clearly Last Rite support.

[heady pine]

Endmin p5 will be the first aether dps tbh

That’s when the mask comes off

[tranquil burrow]

Either they abandon 1.0 units and shift their design philosophy and it's over for Yvonne, or she gets a support tailored for her and/or a "buff" down the line ala some mechanical addition to her kit

[valid zealot]

But did Endmin has p345 in cbt.

[drifting quest]

1* supporter tata dedicated yvonne support

[uneven rose]

What's your physical team?

[tight haven]

i feel bad for yvonne fans, hopefully hg does buff her

[frozen tide]

Tata has a talent that makes them not take up an operator slot when yvonne is in the team

[tranquil burrow]

Tata had 7* aoe

[valid zealot]

[tight haven]

im still raising her down the line for shits and gigs

[tranquil burrow]

She will be my 2nd team, she still does the job

[frozen tide]

Supports tailored for yvonne looks inside bigger lr buff

[tranquil burrow]

And Yvonne can still use her, she doesn't get disabled all of a sudden

[noble tapir]

P1 pog Chen endmin p1 lifeng

[drifting quest]

i did my umbral with yvonne last rite

funny woman better start hitting her attacks

[foggy birch]

Whats art intensity for?

[drifting quest]

crashout worthy when infiltrators dodge her

[craggy pond]

increase dmg & effect of arts reaction & arts burst, also physical status

[foggy birch]

So, it's good for a physical team yes?

[valid zealot]

You can check that ingame.

[runic harness]

How does lava 1 cycle ult set compare to the regular heat dmg one?

[valid zealot]

Yes, on Pog, and somewhat Endmin/Da Pan

[craggy pond]

well not entirely but it's good on pog for example because he wants arts intensity for his breach

you generally don't wanna build it unless it's a support character

with heavy emphasis on their status applications

[valid zealot]

Crushmin intensitymaxxing

(don't)

[foggy birch]

Ahhh.... You've read my mind

[drifting quest]

the youtube clickbait special

[noble tapir]

Ok but hitting the fat 4 vuln crush just as the breach is about to expire is pretty fucking rad

[valid zealot]

It's funni.

[craggy pond]

lower dmg, better consistency, ig the numbers vary but i'd expect around 20-30% overall

[twilit quail]

the epic damage loss strictly nonoptimal set

brings a tear to the eye

[craggy pond]

for the lower dmg part

[valid zealot]

But mine alr 26/36 artificed.

Got jebaited.

[twilit quail]

whether it's better in any given fight depends entirely on the fight

[foggy birch]

I've upgraded my endmin too much that I must commit to crushmaxxing

[twilit quail]

the ult gain set

and it plays differently

[frozen tide]

Is aethertech set bonus ever worth

[valid zealot]

No.

[heady pine]

Endmin can’t active it right

[noble tapir]

Doesn’t the ult gain set basically require you to be attacking a totem to be better?

[twilit quail]

da pan can use it well

[valid zealot]

On Da Pan, not Endmin

[craggy pond]

we just need a dedicated ult gain set really

idk why that isn't a staple from day 1 tbh

[frozen tide]

Yesnt

[valid zealot]

We have seal.

[frozen tide]

He technically can

[valid zealot]

Close enough.

[bitter cove]

if i spam lae's bs every sp i have, what set should i use?

[twilit quail]

if they made gold ver of apocalypse set we would probably see it a lot

[frozen tide]

Just shouldn't

[twilit quail]

ult gain 🗣️

[craggy pond]

no heat infliction at all?

[noble tapir]

Would a ult efficiency set make ult efficiency gilb worth it?

She can hit silly numbers with her sig

[frozen tide]

Its already worth it

[twilit quail]

If it was good enough to hit a breakpoint for stanza uptime it could be something

[frozen tide]

What do you build on gilb outside ult gain and arts int

[noble tapir]

Like just ult every laev skill or something stupid idk lmao

[frozen tide]

Is 3 piece hot works cooking on gilb

[frozen tide]

Ults have cooldown

[twilit quail]

swordmancer gil is the current like

[tranquil burrow]

Does the ult cooldown begin after it's over or from the moment of casting it?

[twilit quail]

weirdo set

that still does something

[noble tapir]

I just through xiranite on her and called it a day

I’m not really using her yet tho

[tight haven]

goddamn

cant figure out a good sub 1 strategy with laev for ballista and axe

at least not one i can do with the gear i have rn

getting screwed on so many of my ult eff artifices is starting to hurt

[frozen tide]

Laev solo?

[tight haven]

no just sub 1 minute

i can do sub 1:30

[frozen tide]

Hmm

[noble tapir]

Instructions unclear, beating up rohdagn (or however it’s fucking spelled) for the 10 billionth time

[tight haven]

rotations just dont seem to match at all

[frozen tide]

Sub dps perlica

[tight haven]

truee

[frozen tide]

With oblivion

[tight haven]

i did manage sub 1 on the other stages

at least

so im happy

maybe ill just do sub 1 on b&a with phys

seems like its the best option for it

probably endmin and not da pan

idt da pan rots will be better

[fading fog]

I slipped out of the triaggelos trim time limit by like 5 seconds

I can't finish yvonne's ult before boss goes invuln again during second phase

[drifting quest]

yvonne moment

[fading fog]

or maybe alesh just didn't catch and my dmg was lower

yea...

[twilit quail]

fucking alesh

wulfgard main dps trim marble
looks inside
8 alesh rare fish

[frozen tide]

[tight haven]

fuck dude i cant wait for them to release more bosses

also i hope they cooked for the aggeloi umbral stages

[tranquil burrow]

Will they make more mobile bosses or more Rhodagn like

[tight haven]

this game is so good

yeah i'd love more bosses like triagg phase 3

just zipping around

[frozen tide]

I want more marble bosses

[tranquil burrow]

🤮

[tight haven]

hard to pin down

[frozen tide]

?

[tight haven]

marble is also pretty neat

[tranquil burrow]

I hate triangle phase 3, it's just mald the boss

[tight haven]

great attention check

[frozen tide]

[tight haven]

i like it! besides the invis which is just a gimmick to me

[outer ermine]

more dorito

[fading fog]

I love missing my abilities because the boss uncontrollably zips around in random directions

[frozen tide]

Triangle phase 2 is aids if you don't insta fuck him

[tight haven]

it's super mobile and constantly places pressure on you

[outer ermine]

run getting decided whether or not u mistime the invul is great shit

[tight haven]

phase 2 is the most annoying yeah

[fading fog]

I like phase 2

you just need gilb

[tight haven]

lmao true

[tranquil burrow]

1 Lavacake EBS does the job as well

[tight haven]

gilb vs any aoe scenario

[outer ermine]

or lr

wut mobs?

[fading fog]

I managed to clear phase 2 with one ult now but phase 3 it just dodged every gilberta and yvonne skill

[tight haven]

oh dude triagg takes yvonne out back

just the worst possible boss for her

its so sad

[frozen tide]

[fading fog]

also for some reason it sometimes summons some invisible object in phase 3 that straight up deletes projectiles or at the very least it blocks yvonne's ult bullets (and it happened during stagger to top it all off)

[heavy fossil]

dorito phase 2 is the bane of my existence

[quaint matrix]

wait are we getting an event which gives 9x800 oroberries?

[tight haven]

4x880 i believe

[heavy fossil]

what event

[tight haven]

surprise cny event

just dropping pulls on us

[lean pawn]

So apparently if you skip your daily reward you will get a bonus exp tommorow, is that true?

[quaint matrix]

it says we get 9 total letters

[tight haven]

there's about enough for a 10 pull in there

yeah

[heavy fossil]

available rn?

[tight haven]

the others idk

yep

log in

[quaint matrix]

wow 10 pull

[tight haven]

you get 4 of these

[heavy fossil]

4x900 is 7 pulls

[tight haven]

idk what you get for the other 5 days

plus theres some beryls from the card-making event

[quaint matrix]

am i dumb or smth

[tight haven]

yeah the other 5 i believe will give random amounts of beryls?

it isnt very well explained

im guessing it will give up to 880

[quaint matrix]

man this company is so bad with wording

[tight haven]

like the free orundum ticket things from og ak

[craggy pond]

blame tl-kun

[edgy crater]

gonna throw literal satellite debris for 2 mobs lol

[tight haven]

yeah no like 7 years and they havent improved one bit lol

technical wording in ak is also infamously very bad in en

[tranquil burrow]

I found definitive proof that we're getting free Tangtang in 1.1

[quaint matrix]

what does this mean?

[frozen tide]

[quaint matrix]

connect and win auspice will upgrade to connect and win luck

[tight haven]

4/9 of your login mails will give 880 beryl

[edgy crater]

can confirm 2 red envelope contain 880

[tight haven]

the other 5 are likely going to give random amounts

[quaint matrix]

meh,why random?

[edgy crater]

its should 880 * 9

[craggy pond]

wait didn't it say guaranteed of 880 for the latter 5 tho

[drifting quest]

1 million orundum

[tight haven]

cant be too generous now

[craggy pond]

shouldn't it be AT LEAST 880

plus it said upgrade not downgrade

[tight haven]

no, its only the mail on the 15th/16th/17th/21st that gives 880 guaranteed

[craggy pond]

kinda makes no sense that upgrade would give less

[quaint matrix]

so basically you'r saying that endgame umbral gives you 2 pulls and random message thingy is 7+-?

[edgy crater]

oh

[tight haven]

18th/19th/20th/22nd/23rd we dunno

[edgy crater]

yeah lol

[craggy pond]

oh so what we're getting is already the upgraded one

these mf

[tight haven]

yep

dude

the wording

is so bad

LOL

hg just hire me i will do this shit for fucking free

i swear to god

[quaint matrix]

so we all got 800 today and after 4th day everyone will get random amount?

[drifting quest]

a community manager would be nice

[tight haven]

it pains my eyes to see this

[quaint matrix]

for 5k arsenal tickets/week

[tranquil burrow]

Probably will add up to 10 pulls total if I had to guess

[craggy pond]

could take a random dude on the street with google translate and he would do better

ngl

[tight haven]

everyone will get 880 today, tomorrow and the day after that, and on the 21st

[tight haven]

yeah probs

idk i dont mind too much

its free 10 pulls i wont bitch too much

[craggy pond]

yeah 10 pulls is fine for basically a free event

[quaint matrix]

i wonder are these companies thinking like: oh, everyone is gonna test their luck and i bet players gonna be so so happy when they get the maximum reward... And others won't mald for getting the least amount 5 times in a row. so cute.

[drifting quest]

fuck the 880
FIVE WHOLE SANITY USAGE PERMITS????

how can one company be so generous

[craggy pond]

per day

[quaint matrix]

bro it's 7+-pulls for random message event. and you get 2 pulls for endgame. wow. all hail HG

[tranquil burrow]

What

I thought at least that'd be 9

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[craggy pond]

it's 5*9 no

[tranquil burrow]

I had been thinking 100 free stamina a day for 9 days

[tight haven]

this shit is so pointless lmfao

[quaint matrix]

it's shit wording

[tight haven]

oh wow i can save like

20 seconds

[craggy pond]

wait how much does a sanity usage permit give

[tranquil burrow]

I didn't really read the reward schedule so won't blame them

[tight haven]

none

[drifting quest]

its funny because i dont even want to be spending them on alluviums which is all im farming

because i want the drops

[urban plaza]

Nothing, that's the joke

[tight haven]

it just lets you spend 2x the sanity for 2x the rewards

[craggy pond]

don't fucking tell me it's the double thing

[drifting quest]

cough hub farming for fodder

[craggy pond]

[arctic valve]

Wtf is up with Xaihi's kit?

• 40%~ Cryo Damage
• 20% Arts Amp
• 10% Cryo Damage Taken
• Cryo Infliction stack
  Even funnier, 90% of her kit also buffs Nature too

not even 6 stars do this

[tight haven]

its literally a pointless product

[tranquil burrow]

Oh usage permits

Who cares about that

[quaint matrix]

900 extra sanity

[tranquil burrow]

I care about the sanity concentrate

[drifting quest]

thats the JOKKKE

[quaint matrix]

god bless hg

[fading fog]

we only getting 1 of the 100 sanity item?

[tight haven]

xaihi is just very strong yes

[tranquil burrow]

Please tell me we get 900 stamina

[fading fog]

or1 per day?

[urban plaza]

Im saving it up for idk in half a year in case there is gonna be super hard/long content. But I doubt it

[tight haven]

9 total

[tranquil burrow]

I cba to find the reward schedule

[tight haven]

1 per day

[craggy pond]

what are the chances they just put something with "sanity" in there thinking people would mistake it for actual sanity

[tight haven]

so 900 sanity 4free

[tranquil burrow]

yay

[arctic valve]

she's the only reason cryo isn't garbage tbh

[tight haven]

yeah kinda

[drifting quest]

boy do i have bad news for you

the event ones are 7d

[tight haven]

it expires in 7 days yes

[quaint matrix]

man

[upbeat igloo]

Girls what is the Assault stat line on essence, no one knows

[quaint matrix]

i don't even know where to waste my sanity

[drifting quest]

i can use it to farm phys team e4's i guess

[quaint matrix]

it anyways give you fucking crumbs of materials

[drifting quest]

skill type

[tranquil burrow]

Protohedrons are always a safe bet

[urban plaza]

Lol even the permit are 7d? lol

At least I can save the regular ones
They give so many out it's crazy

[upbeat igloo]

Is it for future weapons? No weapons has this rn

[craggy pond]

i just default to t creds or essence

ngl

[drifting quest]

probably

might have been a beta weapon that got changed

[upbeat igloo]

Why isn’t anyone talking bout this

[rare zodiac]

Xaihi is just bennett level of op

[tranquil burrow]

Wait, so if we can currently farm all possible essence combinations even for future weapons that's so peak

[craggy pond]

my guess is we'll get an assault weapon next patch

[tranquil burrow]

I hope they don't add additional skill types

[drifting quest]

having checked a bunch of the 3*'s have assault skill line

[craggy pond]

that's the only reasonable explanation

[drifting quest]

so currently accessible weapons do have the assault skill type

[upbeat igloo]

Thank you.

[arctic valve]

she also has 3 disgusting weapon choices to chose from for fun

[craggy pond]

well ig the main thing is we don't know what future weapons will have

unless we literally keep 1 of every combination

[tight haven]

3* weapons do

oh

yeah

[rare zodiac]

imo for 5 star wulf/Xaihi is pretty crack

[tranquil burrow]

I just dismantle if it's not for a weapon that doesn't already exist

[drifting quest]

most 5*'s are good

except snowshine

maybe not arclight now too

[rich linden]

Whys that :(

[drifting quest]

akekuri does akekuri things

[rich linden]

Despairge

[tight haven]

snowshine and arclight are just mega homeless

snowshine is also just a worse solo op than catcher

[arctic valve]

Arclight's fine

[tight haven]

catcher my goat

[rare zodiac]

Ake exist so she is not fine

[drifting quest]

arclight is like yvonne but in a better spot

obseleted by another unit who does the same thing but better

but at least arclight is still decent

[arctic valve]

Akekuri just feels troll to run. She's cheap

[rich linden]

Xdd

[arctic valve]

no way she's actually in your main comp. She either ults once per year, or loses Thermite Cutter

either option makes her lose to Arclight

[drifting quest]

her ult aligns with avy skills

thats enough

[frozen tide]

What news dropped?

[arctic valve]

which has 50%~ Electro Amp and 16% Atk permanet from Cutter

[drifting quest]

akekuri doing akekuri things

[rich linden]

How much ult gain does she have?

[drifting quest]

turns out link is bonkers

[rich linden]

It really is

[drifting quest]

doesnt even run that much lmao

its like 1 piece

she can go back to frontiers

[rich linden]

Waw

[frozen tide]

Bruh

[drifting quest]

(which is a fact i hate)

[rich linden]

Isnt she 108 cost

[arctic valve]

she's a link slave 💀

that's her entire kit

[rich linden]

And sp

[drifting quest]

the attack is okay

[frozen tide]

Link sp thermite

What more do you need

[drifting quest]

sp is decent

[rich linden]

True its for like 4 seconds yea

[arctic valve]

running Thermite is troll on Akekuri

run ERR sword

[drifting quest]

?

[craggy pond]

yeah she needs ult gain set for 2 rotations

[drifting quest]

??

[neat snow]

Not even good bait

[drifting quest]

we aint even reading the same messages anymore

[arctic valve]

casual take that's speedrun pilled

[drifting quest]

not even

[tight haven]

speedrunners be like: running thermite

[arctic valve]

cuz one hit is all that matters

wyd when you need 3 rotations to clear?

[rare zodiac]

truly a dumb dumb members

[arctic valve]

ur gonna realise how garbage the weak Link is

[drifting quest]

??????

ok

[rich linden]

😭

[drifting quest]

i have to ask

because

i am bad at understanding people

is this bait

[craggy pond]

"weak" ah yes one of the highest natural multiplier

[drifting quest]

or for real

[rich linden]

Yes

[drifting quest]

ok

[rare zodiac]

hope so

[drifting quest]

i couldnt tell

[craggy pond]

if link is weak then ig every other multiplier is trash

[rich linden]

Xd

[drifting quest]

i would have continued to take it seriously otherwise

[rare zodiac]

me neither

[rich linden]

Link is weak

[drifting quest]

im still building arclight

kurantaknights endfield edition

[rich linden]

when ur proccing it with snowshine

[deft current]

wth does link even do

all i know is that it works

[drifting quest]

next ult x1.2
or next skill x1.3

[craggy pond]

increase dmg of next battle skill or ult

[rich linden]

Its an mv mult

[deft current]

ooo

[drifting quest]

the multiplier increases with stacks but like every practical use case for it is 1 stack

[craggy pond]

it's literally a free stagger multiplier for any battle skill

[rich linden]

Yea

[craggy pond]

[deft current]

wait so the 1.3 multiplier is on top of the other buffs?

[rare zodiac]

link is crack for all type of burst that use BS or ult

[craggy pond]

it's a separate multiplier

[deft current]

oh cool

[fading fog]

wohooo

[deft current]

kinda like avy

[tight haven]

taps the sign

[deft current]

nice trim

[drifting quest]

how many gold fish

[arctic valve]

dmg taken, suscept, amp and dmg% all being different multipliers is kinda gross lol

[fading fog]

lemme check

[tight haven]

yeah its very very silly

[rare zodiac]

that why arc is not fine, Ake is right there, and most have her full pot ez

[edgy crater]

btw, if ulti got multi hit count damage, does link buff all of them or just 1?

[drifting quest]

it should buff all

[rich linden]

Wat

[craggy pond]

should be for the entire thing

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

i wouldnt be shocked if some are different though

[arctic valve]

do you have electro team built? Batting Ake over Arclight is just crazy 😭

[craggy pond]

i mean this game is weird when it comes to consistency

so yeah