theorycrafting

[quaint matrix]

wait what?

[frozen tide]

It adds up

[quaint matrix]

you need to farm for 24days just to lvl from 60 to 80? assuming u use all your stam on exp tickets?

[frozen tide]

I've leveled atleast 1 char from 80-90 from dijaing alone

[tight haven]

dijiang is not useless

[frozen tide]

Dijiang is also nice when you are tight on plants

[tight haven]

its a pretty significant resource generator atm even though i think this is only true because it takes so fucking long to farm anything

[elder skiff]

can’t be bothered to farm anything other than essences

if i run out of mats im just picking chests or smth

[twin plover]

Meant full 1 -> 90 + weapon + skills

[tranquil burrow]

Let me grow protohedrons in dijiang

[west moon]

Nope, I answered about dijiang specifically

You need 47 orange carriers

To level up from 60 to 80

[quaint matrix]

ah i was like wtf

[west moon]

And it takes 24 days to produce them

[twin plover]

Oh that was just from ship

[quaint matrix]

so what about free rewards thing?

[twin plover]

It isn't bad at all then (the ship)

[west moon]

By free rewards people usually mean pull income

Which is non existent atm

[rich linden]

Its good work

Honest work

[tight haven]

yeah pull income smells rn

[rich linden]

Bad :(

[tight haven]

idk what their plan is but i doubt theyre leaving it this bad

at least i hope theyre not lol

[west moon]

Approximate impact on resource economy from dijang is about 5% or so

[dry kindle]

Fund my p5 wulf

[tight haven]

YOUR WULF ISNT P5?

[dry kindle]

P4

[rich linden]

Im hoping we get atleast 60 pulls per patch (1.1 and onward)

[tight haven]

[west moon]

That's like rock bottom

Crave for the best

[dry kindle]

Alesh and xaihi stole all the pulls

[tight haven]

60 pulls/patch is not good at all

[tranquil burrow]

I’m expecting it to be around ~70 pulls per patch which is about comparable to contemporaries in terms of limited units earned over time, with a bonus of free sig worth of income every second patch I guess

[rich linden]

Yea but w my standards thats playable xd

[dire nymph]

we are not taking worse than genshin

i feel like 100 is fine

[rich linden]

Thatd be insane

[frozen tide]

Ain't even that bad to get a guaranteed limited 6 star every other parch

[drifting quest]

60/patch is the minimum since that's 1 guarantee every other patch, roughly on par with the average for similar arpgs

[rich linden]

Very pog ofc

[tight haven]

im not putting a number on it but i do hope they're fairly generous

[west moon]

100 is normal for gacha that is not genshin

[tranquil burrow]

Avg cost of a limited unit is 77. 100 would be too much for f2p players.

[rich linden]

Right? Thats what i was thinking

[frozen tide]

Which gachas

Is hsr zzz or wuwa like that

[dry kindle]

Inb4 we keep getting 3 ops a patch

[drifting quest]

im fine with 3/patch as long as we're guaranteeing 1 per patch

[tight haven]

pgr is the one that comes to mind but it makes a good amount of its income from cosmetics

idk i dont think endfield would die if they gave out 100/patch

[twin plover]

ZZZ is about that

[west moon]

For comparison, pull income in zzz

[dire nymph]

fwiw i pulled that out of my ass i just need 1 6* a patch and im fine

[frozen tide]

Damn really?

Maybe i should download zzz

[rich linden]

I really doubt thats at all feasible

[west moon]

End field should have AT LEAST not less than this

[dry kindle]

Where's my guaranteed weapon

[drifting quest]

generally you want like
light spenders to get 1/patch (bp + monthly)
f2p to get one every other patch

[twin plover]

Peak but no co-op killed it for me.

[dire nymph]

tbf zzz is the most generous of the hoyo games

[dire nymph]

guess what

[west moon]

And hoyo are not generous

[drifting quest]

zzz coop isnt real coop

[quaint matrix]

ah,i dunno. like if we remove all the permament stuff pull income is fucking terrible. but i think it's cause 1.0 and they already gave out so much. we will see the actual numbers in 1.1. still they promised to add more sources of early hh resources so i guess we gonna get compensated. My biggest problem rn is the amount of arsenal tickers we get. like if i for example saving for 1.1 or 1.2 get the characters i want early. what should i do to get their wpn? just throw in some pulls for character banner with hope to rnjesus?

[drifting quest]

its 3 people playing singleplayer at the same time

[dry kindle]

I have no weapon pulls

[dire nymph]

you can have ysg talk in chinese randomly wdym

[dire nymph]

me neither

fund my weap 10 pull

[dry kindle]

Cant

[dire nymph]

forgot how much op that was

[west moon]

Arsenal is the biggest scam so far. In every game, if you pull for P5 char, you have enough to pull for this P5 signature. Everywhere except endfield

[tranquil burrow]

~77 pulls per patch will give you the 1 6* per patch + a sig every 1.7ish patches over the long term. Obv if you get lucky or unlucky before that things change. As a BP buyer you can get a sig aaaaalmost every patch.

I mean equivalent income obv, don’t blame me for being the 1/3 who go to hard pity.

[dry kindle]

80

[dawn patrol]

jfc 80 op for 10 weapon pulls

[dire nymph]

just put the 80 in the bag and im fine with it

just a side game

[quaint matrix]

i'm not a whale just a smoll bp+monthly player. i can buyout x2 shop and some packs if i really like the game but i see no point in going after p0. I did once in wuwa for carthethia and all i got is the casual game became even more casual. you pay to play less imo.

[potent hornet]

https://datafield.cc/teams someone on here working on this?

[dire nymph]

close to reinstalling ak just for the ave mujica collab

[drifting quest]

lmao

[quaint matrix]

but i don't like the idea here if you get lucky you have to waste your pulls just to scratch up some arsenal tickets

[drifting quest]

open link

look inside

ember

[tranquil burrow]

Btw expected cost of a limited unit + sig is only 85 pulls despite a limited costing 77 pulls by themselves, assuming you buy BP. It’s pretty great over the long term for low spenders.

[west moon]

We shouldn't have less than 120, cause that's how much hoyo gives lol

[dire nymph]

hoyo gives

[west moon]

To compete you need to give something better than competitors

[dire nymph]

takes a look at genshin's next patch

67 pulls

[quaint matrix]

we need some source of arsenal tickets income. and umbral should give better rewards if it's a permament thingy

[frozen tide]

Sundered prince ember pearl on a pig

[potent hornet]

this is why i asked if we had someone in here working on that\

[neon cave]

in other games, we'd need to pull on a weapon banner using the same pull currency we use to pull on characters - if u get the chara early, ud have to pull on the chara banner to get more weapon pulls (so u end up with both more characters and weapons instead of just more weapons) - isnt it okay this way?

[dire nymph]

[drifting quest]

prob not

looks very

[west moon]

Average 120

[drifting quest]

bad

[west moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1396872298027417705/1427934925931151446/A0C99YAVH3JRMESW_AJ1.gif?width=160&height=160

[dire nymph]

i play hsr gi zzz

[tranquil burrow]

This logic is similar to saying Endfield gacha is 3x worse because pulls cost 3x as much than Hoyo’s

[dire nymph]

zzz's the most generous

[drifting quest]

its whale stuff but also bad whale stuff

[tight haven]

its really annoying that they have packs for arsenal tickets that you can buy 15 times and it's generally not even enough to p5 a single featured weapon because of the poor rate to actually get a featured weapon

i just think it's a point of abrasion for me

[west moon]

I can choose to play gacha that's more generous to me, why would I play endfield then? For mid story? For factory that doesn't matters? For combat I've seen already?

[drifting quest]

definitely feels like they just wanted to port ak monetization model but didnt account for how different the gacha models are

[quaint matrix]

i mean. it sucks that you have to go 240 character pulls in worst luck scenario to secure a wpn. imo they either should increase the amount of arsenal tickets we get from pulling like x2 so 120 pulls= character wpn. or give some endgame mode where we can farm those weekly or atleast once per 2 weeks. like on cbt1 the weekly gave 5k if i remember correctly. but i'm not asking for 5k atleast 2k per week

[dire nymph]

just hope they add weap pull income from a random mode

[quaint matrix]

like atleast 2k/week is 8 weeks to secure a wpn

better than nothing

[elder skiff]

we get 10 wep pulls every patch, nice

[quaint matrix]

you mean 1 pull?

[west moon]

8 of them are 4 star trash btw

Arsenal pulls don't even give you a lot of 5 stars

[tight haven]

most of the 6* are also just stuff you wont use almost ever

[elder skiff]

u get 10 per pull so it's basically 10 pulls

[west moon]

White Night Nova

[tight haven]

idk i think its cringe

[dawn patrol]

whatever the stupid greatsword is

[tight haven]

yeah wnn is the poster child for "wow this is fucking useless"

[tight haven]

former finery lol

[tranquil burrow]

Sigh, I’m tired of arguing over gacha pulling out the actual amortized rates. Blegh, think whatever you want.

[west moon]

Exemplar that's only used for panda, and panda is just worse than endmin

[dawn patrol]

i fucking despise former finery so, so much

[quaint matrix]

yeah. so we get one tenpull per patch. cool

[tight haven]

this is not true

[quaint matrix]

also we get some arsenal tickets from free 10 pull for every character

[elder skiff]

panda > endmin and i can die on that hill

[quaint matrix]

so it's like worst case: 1140 extra arsenal tickets from free pulls

[west moon]

Can't wait for etchspace refresh so I can play more of that ass mode 🥀

[tight haven]

dapan's rotations just pivot a lot more than endmin's because you can't make use of everything

[quaint matrix]

pog? or not pog?

[west moon]

Numbers say otherwise

Can't argue with them

[tight haven]

though yeah if your dapan isn't p5 then he will likely perform worse in stdps

[rugged vale]

I wish it was more like IS

[tight haven]

which numbers

[west moon]

Overall DPS

[tight haven]

can you show me

[twilit quail]

show us the graph king

[west moon]

I mean, there's spreadsheet that describes phys teams precisely?

[twilit quail]

oh man

[elder skiff]

so no graph

[dire nymph]

is it iana's

[potent hornet]

FINALLY

[tight haven]

okay know im not trying to be mean here but if youre talking about ianas phys flowcharts they literally do not support the assertion that dapan is worse than endmin

[twilit quail]

I dont have calcs in it cause 1) 99.9% wouldnt even look at them and 2) those who do will just not do anything but ask me annoying questions about it

[tight haven]

assuming p2 endmin vs p5 dapan ofc

[wind nebula]

My casual observation is that Da Pan is gapped by Grand Vision and Endmin being able to stuff more burst into stagger

[neat snow]

I don't trust this iana fella I only listen to ON HOLIDAY

[twilit quail]

Im this close to just pasting expected dpsp and damage per rotation

and just not accepting any questions

[tight haven]

yeah fucking everything abt phys is so "it depends" atm

[elder skiff]

da pan has exemplar so he's not getting gapped by grand vis, also he provides way more to the table than just endmin's pure damage

[tight haven]

"is your lifeng raised? how much?"
"what's your mastery investments?"
"how many artifices do you have?"
"which weapons are you using and how many essences have you raised for them?"

[dire nymph]

can i use sig on pog

[tight haven]

its mind-numbing

[dire nymph]

why no ember

[tight haven]

EMBER STAGGER! EMBER STAGGER! JUST GET HIT!

[elder skiff]

ember

[neat snow]

Pog can have a sig he looks stressed

[dawn patrol]

goodbye chat i'm sleepy i hope you all have a great time (or not idk i'm not your mum)

[dire nymph]

gnge

[tranquil burrow]

380 arsenal tickets worst case per 10 pulls, about 8k in 120 pulls given the 2 forced 6 stars. However, actual average is 770 arsenal tickets per 10 pulls because 6 stars and 5 stars drag it up.

Anyways, that leads to about 31 weapon pulls per 77 char pulls (which is the avg cost of a limited char). Avg cost of an sig is 52 pulls. Buying BP + weeklies give you 15 pulls. That leaves you ~6 weapon pulls short to get a char + sig every patch, or at least match expected avg cost over the long term.

There ya go.

[neon cave]

going 240 character pulls "worst case" to secure the sig weapon would give you the the limited chara pot1, their sig weapon, and 2 random 6stars at the very least

thats roughly 48 pulls for each 6star drop (if u count the weap)

doesnt mean much til we see how the pull economy is tho, but considering they give you 240 pulls for patch 1.0, an f2p should be able to get 2 limited characters if they clear all the content, and all 3 if theyre lucky

they definitely should add an arsenal ticket source and a weekly source of pull currency though, unless each patch gives enough content/rewards to somehow get you a reasonable amount o fcurrency instead of tying it to a weekly quest

[outer ermine]

words

[quaint matrix]

wow wtf

[tight haven]

my only assertion here is

[tight haven]

they should give out more pulls

[bronze plume]

And the weapon banner is shit o agree

[drifting quest]

why isnt my physical team doing that much damage

looks inside
l80
sl6
no essence, no artificing
wrong gear set
chimeric lifeng
sundering endmin
aspirant chen
thermite pog (they read the first image of the doc at least)

[elder skiff]

i love how i can't join in any pull currency discussion cuz i bought packs and shit

[bronze plume]

We really said its ok they can cook after cbt2 but the fries are still in the bag

[dire nymph]

wtf is chimeric

[tight haven]

same LMAO

[rugged vale]

f2p weapons

[quaint matrix]

so with bp+sub if i pull for char i'm secured with a sign?

[neat snow]

I definitely hope they give out a lot more pulls than they currently are even though I'm whaling regardless. I want the game to be popular and enjoyed by all.

[tight haven]

i have to be like "waaaaaaaiiiiiiiit a second how much do f2p players get again"

[drifting quest]

i got lucky so i cant talk

[bronze plume]

The awnser is:

[tranquil burrow]

No because what I listed are amortized values. These are averages over the long term. You can get unlucky along the way.

[ocean hawk]

lemme give u better one

I love how I cant join in any pull currency discussion cuz I knew how predatory gacha system is

[drifting quest]

p2 gilb, p0 laev
every other 6* except ember owned at p0
every 5* at p5 except AVYWENNA AND ARCLIGHT HELLO I WANT TO PLAY ELECTRIC WHY ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES MISSING
bp + monthly + gv spending only

[elder skiff]

i both bought packs and got 6 stars every 30 rolls averagely so like i cna't join in on anything

[dire nymph]

except ember

lucksack

wtf

[drifting quest]

truly

the literal only unit im missing

and its the brick herself

[bronze plume]

Me when someone who spends talks about being bettee then average luck for the 591737th time

[frozen tide]

There must be atleast one person who's only pulled ember as their standard 6 star so far

[tight haven]

same

[dire nymph]

so spending = better luck

deal

[frozen tide]

So they have like p4 ember

[dire nymph]

buying monthly rn

[bronze plume]

They all rerolled

[tight haven]

some of my friends have stopped playing actively cuz the income is at such a trickle

kinda sad

[quaint matrix]

but what if i get lucky on the character but i get unlucky on the wpn? with no source of arsenal tickets i'm left with 3 ways: buy arsenal tickets from the shop,waste pulls to get some arsenal tickets,trade oroberries into arsenal tickets. and i'm kinda fine with 1st case but second and third are awfull imo

[tight haven]

though a fair number of them ARE still playing

[drifting quest]

$16 and you too can sack 5 limited units in 240 pulls

[neon cave]

i saw someone who got p5 ember and not a single other 6star lol

[bronze plume]

Ive spent money and never not gone to pity for a 6 star so

[neat snow]

Yep I'm having to whale on my little brothers account cause he will quit if he doesn't get units he wants and I want him to play with me 😂

[dire nymph]

ive gotten pog 3x on lim banner after getting bp + some packs

[frozen tide]

Reroll time

[drifting quest]

added by a random no pfp account with no messages in the server

[bronze plume]

Thats just a waste of money at that point hes pkaying you

[drifting quest]

hmmm

surely this is not a scam

[elder skiff]

already way too long in to reroll

[dire nymph]

it was my alt

sorry i lost access to this account

[elder skiff]

[ocean hawk]

[twilit quail]

anyway guys how would you like to test play a game my friend made

🙂

[quaint matrix]

i have 202 pulls saved now. don't want to pull gilb or yvonne. got laev early with lifeng

[ocean hawk]

the typical discord scammer

[dire nymph]

yo scan this qr code for me

[frozen tide]

Do i put your name in as the one who gave me the game

[tight haven]

you too huh

[frozen tide]

And do i have to put in a pw

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-gif-6639449054247309135

[dire nymph]

hey i like your profile picture

[frozen tide]

And unzip files

[tight haven]

i mean i got a friend req

[dire nymph]

i do comms

[drifting quest]

place your bets

[tight haven]

from a discord scammer from this server

just now

LOL

[drifting quest]

vic?

[tight haven]

yes

[dire nymph]

art comm scammer

[drifting quest]

LMAO

me too

[twilit quail]

the first time I got one of those asking about the pfp I thought it was real cause it's like all commissioned art basically

[quaint matrix]

is this from Vicdick?

[drifting quest]

LMAO

[twilit quail]

and with 3 servers shared one of them being one I used often I was like

[drifting quest]

famous

[quaint matrix]

[twilit quail]

oh sick

[ocean hawk]

Hey, im an artist and I want you to check my picture collection and if that interest you to place commision on me

[twilit quail]

and then 5 mins later

[bronze plume]

No i do not wqnt th3 50th "artist" to dm ne saying i see you like ardelia wanna pay me for art for her

[twilit quail]

you know

[bronze plume]

Unironically happened here 4 times now

[drifting quest]

sorry i actually own every ai company so it hurts my profits for you to exist

[tight haven]

yes

[drifting quest]

what the fuck is this

text buddy

$200 a week

what a steal

[dire nymph]

thats new

[neat snow]

I'll text you once a week for 190

[dire nymph]

i kept getting ads to be an of chatter

[drifting quest]

sorry its 400 a week

[bronze plume]

I text you once and ghost you for 2 buck fiddy

[quaint matrix]

i can chat with you for 5k arsenal tickets a week

[dire nymph]

can you negotiate it down to 2500 for 3 days

bit tight rn

thats the same fucking thing nvm

[quaint matrix]

uuhhhhh

we can work with that

it's like

1 time offer

4000% EXTRA VALUE

[dire nymph]

anyways if i try doing some calcs do u guys mind checking if there's anything fucked with it i want to dip my toes in

[bronze plume]

Bro woth how arsenal tickets are the 1 morbillion value get real

[drifting quest]

they stopped responding to me

[quaint matrix]

is endfield more f2p friendly than diablo immortal?

[drifting quest]

🙁

[dawn patrol]

is that diablo iv or whatever the mobile one is

oh yeah diablo immoral

[dire nymph]

refer them to me

[quaint matrix]

diablo immoron

[tranquil burrow]

the first time I got this message i politely responded I'm busy irl and gave an actual valid excuse

because i didn't realize back then it was a scam

obv i was expecting it'd give me an app store link, i'd have just caught on if it was any random link

[mortal wolf]

Who do you usually control on a phys team

Endmin/Chen?

[drifting quest]

everyone

[lean pawn]

Do you guys think second phase will need a second team?

Umbral monument

[drifting quest]

no

[frozen tide]

You can mostly chen

And swap off for ult

Bs cs too if you wanna optimize like that

[potent hornet]

now that i finally have my perf LR essence, which team should i build next. I have everyone except Yvonne and Lifeng

[frozen tide]

Im guessing you are done building laev lr

[potent hornet]

i haven't done laev yet

LR was my first pull

[frozen tide]

Then do that

Laev is the best unit in the game

You can even be a bit lazy and reuse some lr units

[potent hornet]

i guess i should, i do have her sig

[frozen tide]

if you have ard or ake built from lr you can reuse

perlica too ig temporarily

[potent hornet]

i have perl built up pretty decent. Need to to do ake. i have thermal

[bold rose]

is both Gilb and Arde in Laev team viable

(remove Wulf)?

[oak torrent]

Guys do they planing to add a change UI section to game for the k borad and mouse players on android? Like zzz?

[next helm]

Wulf is kind of a must cause his heat application is free on his combo (no sp cost)

[eternal ruin]

imo either gil or arde, not both

apparently gil is good for speedrunning

[bold rose]

yeah that's standard theory
I'm trying to fit both

[next helm]

In aoe you can run both

Or overworld

It does work on bosses but generally you lose a lot of damage

[eternal ruin]

if you're trying to fit both because you genuinely want to, i don't see why it wouldn't be able to clear if you try hard enough

someone did laev solo runs

trim

[bold rose]

kinda pissed Gilb sig's optimal essence farming lets you farm nothing else at 3/3

[next helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAktp8XQctU

[bold rose]

well at least mine is done and it's just feeding garbage essences to laev now

[next helm]

Important theorycrafting

[eternal ruin]

you can get obj's for wulfgard

lul

[bold rose]

on BiS Clannibal

lul

he has a 3/3 sig already as well

[eternal ruin]

is clannibal BiS?

[rare zodiac]

Not for now

[tranquil burrow]

One day surely

[rare zodiac]

Maybe, hope so

[bold rose]

anw in terms of essence feeding are yall just stopping at the last node for main and start feeding supports until you get 450 to force the main through

[eternal ruin]

i max

[tranquil burrow]

Rossi will give more SP than Lavacake can fire off EBS in time and thus subdps Wulfgard will be the meta

[eternal ruin]

it didn't take that long

[rare zodiac]

Ib4 Rossi eat sp like a maniac on par with Lae

[bold rose]

for the support essences the passive is the key right?
stats can wait?

[eternal ruin]

yeah

[tranquil burrow]

I only use gel for last pip, and if I get lucky I get lucky. Like I maxed out Gilberta essence before I got to use ~450 gel, I'll just use it on Yvonne's +6. Sooner or later I'll need that gel anyways.

[bold rose]

yeah that's what I'm saying
stop before last pip, feed the supports, return once you got the gel to force main through

[eternal ruin]

i feel like the odds of getting a raw success aren't that low

but then again i may be an outlier

[bold rose]

I think u get more value that way

[tranquil burrow]

No I mean I keep going if I don't have 450. Either I win or I'm forced to use gel. Odds of success are very slightly higher than pity anyways.

[eternal ruin]

^

[bold rose]

isn't Ross seen with a sword
idt she's a striker so she's likely a VG

[tranquil burrow]

I mean, Lavacake also uses a sword

[bold rose]

what I'm saying is the failed rolls are better used to advance your supports instead of trying to gamble on a low chance for main

[tranquil burrow]

But I also hope she's a vanguard

[bold rose]

yes but from game design they don't want to infringe on Lavacake territory this soon

[eternal ruin]

support rolls feel inconsequential at worst and marginal at best to me

of course still important

[tranquil burrow]

Every roll not used on main is a potential "free" +6 that you're losing out on though

[bold rose]

at least get the passive up
and sometimes you need benchmarks like Ake 500 int

[eternal ruin]

but always after i get at least max passive and atk on my main dps' essence

[drifting quest]

rossi (if fire) is either a vanguard or a subdps for laev

just economically speaking

[tranquil burrow]

They will be funny and just not touch 1.0 teams at all

[bold rose]

exactly
you want the laev mains to spend on rossi

[tranquil burrow]

Rossi for 3rd team instead

[bold rose]

not have rossi compete with laev

[drifting quest]

rossi could be phys (not that i believe that)

[bold rose]

if anything ake's spot is likely at stakes

[drifting quest]

since mifu and tangtang could also be fire

[tranquil burrow]

Tangtang feels far more phys than Rossi

Pistols and all

[rare zodiac]

Everything is possible

[tranquil burrow]

not special effects

[bold rose]

mifu could be fire or elec
tangtang is likely phys

[drifting quest]

but i would expect rossi to be a fire vanguard to replace akekuri so the team is wulf rossi + laev

[tranquil burrow]

The dream

[bold rose]

mifu looks like she's gonna be the 5* on fangyi banner

[tranquil burrow]

I just don't see any of them as 5* coded

[eternal ruin]

rossi

[rare zodiac]

I want to order a heat Xaihi

[eternal ruin]

image from beta

[tranquil burrow]

5*s in this game feel goated to me though, very strong and usable, so I don't mind getting more, but problem is each new unique char introduced has its fans and they won't be happy seeing their favorite char be 5 star

So I think they're all gonna be 6 star

also, Tangtang feels the most 5 star coded to me personally but she's also like front and center in 1.1 char tease image so would be strange to have a 5 star take the "spotlight"

[bold rose]

also there might be a Bennett situation

like a 4/5* so gamebreaking because of early game design

[drifting quest]

pretty nice that only 1 (maybe 2) are 'bad'

(snowshine, maybe alesh)

[bold rose]

tangtang might finally take the flex slot on phys teams for good
pog chen lifeng tangtang
no more endmin/dapan debate

[tranquil burrow]

I like to think game designers understand their own game better than any of us but seeing %dmg be so diluted to the point any scraps of %atk winning out so easily gives me pause

Like there's no way they don't understand giving a small amount of %dmg buff on Gilb sig when Stanza is right there feels odd

also set bonuses on gear feel underwhelming compared to just the simple stats they provide

[drifting quest]

they know given how many things got nerfed

frontiers and xiranite, akekuri

kneecapped

[daring dove]

Every upcoming character is going to be a buff to Laevatains team, none for PHY or any other why even debate it.

[frozen tide]

rossi might be partial phys

or even main phys partial heat

[bold rose]

then she kinda jumps on Pog territory no

[tranquil burrow]

Pog's fate is to be replaced sooner or later probably

[frozen tide]

depends entirely on kit

but if shes an sp gen breacher then yeah

[tranquil burrow]

SP gen vuln stack spammer

[frozen tide]

i mean if she doesnt breach

its not bad to have multiple sp gen necessarily

[bold rose]

does phys teams eat that much SP

[frozen tide]

more sp is always better

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah there's no case where you have "enough", more SP is just more dmg

[frozen tide]

more sp faster you can build 4 vuln

there is diminishing return ig with reasonable ult bps

but more is always better

it would be funny af if new phys team just printed out 4 stack crush

[bold rose]

LR doesn't like Gilb right
nature inflict interfere with cryo stack?

[frozen tide]

gilb is fine with lr

[drifting quest]

you can run it but you have to gilb ult after your combo consumes stacks

so you only buff the ult damage

for some people they like it, for others they dont

[frozen tide]

also you want nature

[twilit quail]

it's finicky but it's like

[frozen tide]

in optimal timeline

[twilit quail]

it's not even bad

corrosion is still potential man status

but gil here is like

it's genuinely fine

[bold rose]

so sth like LR Xaihi Perlica Gilb?

[frozen tide]

how fast does corrosion scale

[twilit quail]

corrosion reaches max potency at 10 secs

[frozen tide]

bruh

starting from 0?

i mean ig if you ult to amp cs and ult after and pop corro after ult

youll have reached max potency by next cs ult

with corro

but im not sure if that sounds meaningful on any trim boss rn

rhod you kill in one ult

[twilit quail]

it's super potential man shit

[frozen tide]

dorito goes on new phase every cs

[twilit quail]

because if you

ok so

if you do 4 stack corrosion

and then a 1 stack

the rampup is inherited, basically

[final plume]

what about Zhuang Fangyi, do you guys think she'll be 6* main DPS?

[frozen tide]

wtf

[twilit quail]

and so it lends itself to like a DoT type of thing almost

which of course doesnt exist yet in the game

[frozen tide]

i did not know that

i thought it just overrides

[twilit quail]

it's like

12 16 20 24

for 1 stack it starts at 3.6

increasing by 0.84/s

[frozen tide]

the game explicitly says weaker corrosion can override stronger corrosion in the manual

😭

[twilit quail]

electrification and burn

will eat the old one

and use the status level of the new one

corrosion keeps both the status level

and intensity

of the previous one

so you can have one guy with 200 apply it

and then theoretically with future units

keep it ticking all the way

with full potency

just by applying a single stack every 15s

it makes sense both from a mechanical and flavour perspective for this to be DoT related

[frozen tide]

mayb i was trippin on this

redoing the reaction handbook thingy

[drifting quest]

dot would be cool but like sucks if time based content gets harder

[frozen tide]

would be nice if percentage dot was a thing

[west moon]

Are we getting story in 1.1?

[drifting quest]

yes

[west moon]

30 minutes of playtime?

[drifting quest]

no clue

[west moon]

I believe so lol

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

We know as much as you do

But yes likely

[west moon]

Am I loosing much if I leave supports in lava team at 60lvl 6/9/9/9?

Or is it fine

[frozen tide]

this early in the games stage id hope every update has story

[midnight stirrup]

Im more concerned on whether we get a map expansion

[frozen tide]

depends on what supp and how much spare resource you have

[midnight stirrup]

But should be the case

Since Wuling is missing a lot

[west moon]

Wulf, Ake, Ard

I don't have spare resources

[frozen tide]

wulf technically benefits from m3 but i wouldnt bother

ard is same boat

[west moon]

So it is fine?

[frozen tide]

yeah 60/80 should be fine

just get their relevant talents 9

and unlock all the relevant talents too

[west moon]

https://tenor.com/view/wahoo-limbus-company-don-quixote-team-wahoo-gif-3746807626216475243

I'll be able to play this team in a week lol

[tranquil burrow]

m3 which skill? they all seem irrelevant for a lava team

[drifting quest]

combo

(its not worth the cost)

[tranquil burrow]

oh the 1s cdr

[frozen tide]

yeah even if i had a lot of resource

im not sure if id bother

id rather m3 ard and ake before that

[drifting quest]

its the most minmax follow the timeline whale aah investment going

[frozen tide]

😭

ive actually

really been tempted to m3 xai cs

just for the sake of maxxing her

it gives 2 percent vuln

[tranquil burrow]

m3 ake the day it turns out rossi isn't a vanguard

[west moon]

Mfw Lycia is SP battery

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1396872298027417705/1427934925931151446/A0C99YAVH3JRMESW_AJ1.gif?width=160&height=160

[final plume]

if she turns out to be main DPS then that 2:1 ratio of limited chars vs sig is really gonna sting
now I dont know if I should get Lae sig or battle pass good enough for her

[tranquil burrow]

Get the sig now and trust you'll have enough by then

but bp weapon is good enough

[tight haven]

bp sig isnt terrible by any means but of all the sigs in 1.0 laev's is far and away the strongest and most impactful

yvonnes sig loses to two f2p options (with potentials)

gilbs sig is very very good for her but can be replaced with stanza

although this requires running alternative gearing setups to make up for the lost ult eff

[final plume]

No I wont, I barely have enough now cause I was "lucky" to win Lae 50/50 and we are given 100+ standard pulls, I only have enough to guarantee Zhuang Fangyi with 120 pulls thats nowhere near enough to guarantee another sig

[tight haven]

we dont know if fangyi will be in 1.1 btw

could be 1.2 or later

[final plume]

right but still if no other limited gets my attention or we dont have enough for 240 pulls then still no 2nd sig

[tranquil burrow]

Fangyi's weapon banner will stay for another 3 banners whenever she runs

[twilit quail]

fangyi is almost certainly like

1.3

[tranquil burrow]

Holy 1.3

[outer ermine]

any other lr mfs here need someone to test how replicateable this rot start is

[final plume]

yeah thats why its so hard to skip
@tranquil burrow yeah but again the dilemma of not having pulls or no one to pull for, for arsenal tickets

[outer ermine]

6fuckin hrs

[tranquil burrow]

do you buy bp

because it will give another 12 weapon pulls per patch

also, origeometry can be used to exchange for weapon pulls if you're up for it

[final plume]

nah im f2p, I only buy the bp with the crystal (forgot the name)

[tranquil burrow]

what if you get fangyi first 10 pulls then

[final plume]

true there is also that "luck"

could always give her the battlepass

[tranquil burrow]

ought to be enough imo

[west moon]

Endfield is really not friendly to dolphins, why there's so little of bundles

[twilit quail]

I cant wait for a physical unit that combos, literally leaves the battlefield

[midnight stirrup]

I think you just have to accept as a F2P that a sig is a luxury you can only get every so often

[twilit quail]

and then like 20 seconds later

just shoots a guy

[midnight stirrup]

You have the BP weapons as an option instead

[lean pawn]

What would be considered dolphin

[west moon]

Middle spender

[lean pawn]

Buying battle pass?

[midnight stirrup]

No lol

[west moon]

Battle pass and monthly are the homeless level IMO

[tight haven]

id pick up laevs and then just chill thru 1.1

imo

[west moon]

Dolphins will buy bundles

[midnight stirrup]

Dolphin is within the 100s

[lean pawn]

Ok good I aint dolphin

[tight haven]

whale tier is at least one p5 6* already

[twilit quail]

dude yvonne sig is such a fucking scam

[tight haven]

👍

[twilit quail]

LMAO

[tight haven]

it actually fucking is

[tranquil burrow]

I need it to complete the drip, how bad is it

[twilit quail]

imagine like

[midnight stirrup]

If you only get bp and monthly youre a low spender

[tight haven]

buffed nav framemogs it

[west moon]

Yvonne is a secret 5 star

[twilit quail]

eating 80 pity

[tranquil burrow]

It doesn't look that bad reading the effects

[twilit quail]

just to only be 10% better

than p5 bp weapon

[midnight stirrup]

Wasnt it the same for Laev sig

[twilit quail]

and 10% better than random offrate gun

with no dupe

[midnight stirrup]

Only being 10% better than p5 bp

[twilit quail]

which is the big one

[final plume]

yes this is why im having internal struggles to get Lae sig or save
@tight haven yeah its such a big improvement too

[twilit quail]

ok so

for lae BP is like simultaneously both better and worse

than we thought

[lean pawn]

The monthly doesnt seem worth it

[midnight stirrup]

I mean you dont rly have another choice

Thats my point

[twilit quail]

it's better than we thought cause we have optimised EBS timeline that doesnt use the basics dmg% from the sig

[midnight stirrup]

BP is ur second best option most cases

To sig

And you cant get every sig

As a f2p

[lean pawn]

Battle pass is for sure nice

[tranquil burrow]

the worst case you're imagining has miniscule odds. just get her sig if you want the drip/meta minmax. otherwise her bp will do the job perfectly well.

[twilit quail]

but it's also worse than we thought because of open beta changes that we didnt account for initially

[abstract fractal]

how high can p5 Perlica electrification debuff get with decent art intensity?

[twilit quail]

so it has this

[lean pawn]

Can you give me examples?

[twilit quail]

giant range of how good and bad it can be

ok so

xiranite eating shit is relevant

because it's just dmg% now

going into a zone that the BP weap has a lot of

so its overall potency is reduced in a team scenario

stuff like that

[west moon]

You are not getting p5 umbral

[twilit quail]

basically it being not so good mostly comes down to not having the big +ATK%

that's the problem with so many weapons

traction is ass because it doesnt have +ATK% and jet does

[tranquil burrow]

btw we will know if fangyi is 1.1 (most likely not) by the time lavacake weapon is still on rotation, so if she's 1.2 or later you can just pull then.

[twilit quail]

it's all the same shit

we need atk and if you dont have it youre just dying of cringe

[west moon]

Did laeva got powercrept already?

[tranquil burrow]

yes, just in 2 seconds ago

[twilit quail]

same with yvonne having fuck all atk and having to take slab to try and patch it up

because having crit on your weapon means that you dont have the big atk%

[lean pawn]

You could technically with battle pass

[tight haven]

yvonnes weapon spread not having an ounce of atk% anywhere

mwah

[tranquil burrow]

why would game designers make it like this? they understand the game better than any of us

it just makes gilb sig awkard especially

[twilit quail]

to make the harder to get weapon better than the cheap one

well

the ult gain on it is really good

[tranquil burrow]

like gilb sig vs stanza?

[tight haven]

i can only assume they hated yvonne at this point

[manic blade]

yo any whels

[twilit quail]

it's like the one thing that is acceptable on that line that isnt ATK%

[tranquil burrow]

doesn't her default xiranite set give her the needed eff anyways?

[manic blade]

anyone have p5 gilb art

[tight haven]

gilbs bp sig really isnt bad in a vacuum, but in a world where stanza exists and nature dps isnt relevant

her bp sig is just bad

[tranquil burrow]

i'm talking shit about her main sig

[tight haven]

oh gilb sig is, hmm

it's very relevant for running high-damage setups like 2slab gilb or hitting the 262% ult eff breakpoint for p4+

[twilit quail]

It's a bit potential man currently but we've always had double ult timelines that actually play off the 20s cd

[rapid pebble]

does the highlighted part mean "intellect raises Amp limit to 30%" or "Intellect raises Amp limit by 30%" so would it be max 30% or 49% in my case atm?

[twilit quail]

and we need sig to do those

to make a megasized alesh, basically

[tight haven]

yeah sig makes a lot of things very comfy

[twilit quail]

that does things without costing sp

[outer ermine]

19+30

[twilit quail]

in regards to the dmg% vs stanza atk% its probably just something they didnt pay very much attention to

[tight haven]

oh iana has anyone made any rotations for gilb relevant to... anything that play off her 17s cd at p5

[twilit quail]

and stanza is like

just roundly overtuned

for the combo? let me think

[tight haven]

ya the combo

[tranquil burrow]

which loops back to your original point, that one %atk line can make or break so many weapons, esp on dps

which is very weird to me

[twilit quail]

well she is a support at heart

and so ult gain is acceptable

for any char that has to deal damage

any dmg% instead of atk% hurts like hell

[tight haven]

hi

do u want it

or

[manic blade]

I just wanted to see it kinda curious :3

[twilit quail]

supports not having atk% on THEIR weapon is obviously whatever

god imagine if thermite cutter had ult gain

hooooly hell

[tight haven]

lifeng would be nice with atk% somewhere

but ig he has ways to access it

all atts+ is already a shockingly good buff

[twilit quail]

you can give jet to lifeng

[tranquil burrow]

imagine the day a bp weapon has +39% atk but sig doesn't

[twilit quail]

to see what his stats would be like

[tight haven]

tru

[twilit quail]

LMAO

[tight haven]

what annoys me in game

illumination atk boost isnt displayed in the superificial atk display

STOP LYING TO ME

[west moon]

Atk% is op stat?

[tight haven]

for now yes

[outer ermine]

p3 lifeng

[tight haven]

its one of thr most desirable buff because it multiplies attribute-based atk bonuses

[tranquil burrow]

Now await the Astra Yao of this game and it'll be even more cooked

[tight haven]

whats that a reference to

[eternal ruin]

zzz

[tranquil burrow]

ZZZ unit that gives +1200 flat atk

[twilit quail]

we had cbt2 xaihi who pumped everyone's atk to 5 digits

before boosts

[tight haven]

what the shit

[tight haven]

YEA

[twilit quail]

and she pressed like

1 button to do it

[tight haven]

i saw a screenshot of yvonne with like

20k atk

LOL

[twilit quail]

so safe to assume that isnt happening again anytime soon

[tight haven]

because her amp used to be an ATK AMP(?)

[tranquil burrow]

as far as game design is concerned i kinda want a unit that extends ult duration. that'd be a whole can of worms to balance but it'd be so peak.

[tight haven]

conceptually hilarious

[twilit quail]

hey we heard you like stanza

so we made a character

that's 4 stanzas

[tranquil burrow]

atk amp will come eventually, probably

[tight haven]

they would have to be very careful yep

[twilit quail]

There's a lot of room for very fun unit design

[tight haven]

not sure how many hg design team devs working on ak now work on ef but they cant just make haha funny units in this format

[twilit quail]

because of the like

[west moon]

We need 6★ stanza

[twilit quail]

MMOish environment theyve created

[tight haven]

like wang

[twilit quail]

it's almost a little unsettling how well MMO concepts apply to this game

[tranquil burrow]

in software development we call that a "wicked feature". something awesome and super impactful with the dreadful downside that from here on out EVERY new feature (future units in this case) will have to account for this. very wicked.

[tight haven]

one of my first comments on maggy was, "this feels like a ff14 raid"

same with triagg to an extent

[viscid mural]

it probably won't be called stanza anymore

[tight haven]

like a very dumbed down soloable version of a raid boss

[twilit quail]

stackable gun stanza

[viscid mural]

I didn't study school but I feel like the word stanza has an evolved version

[twilit quail]

the other game endfield really reminds me of is actually lost ark

[tight haven]

give me an ult eff L gun

[wide latch]

i thought oblivion was perlica sig, but some guide says detonation unit is her bis, what do i put on her

[tight haven]

make 1 cycle wulf ults real

[twilit quail]

this game is

literally lost ark

[tight haven]

if she is able to trigger arts bursts, det unit

if she is not, stanza

[twilit quail]

oblivion is usable currently on electric because avy is like

you know

stinky 5*

so just having perlica do some damage is actually kind of good

[tight haven]

assuming youre relegating perlica to a support

[wide latch]

stanza? oh

[tight haven]

which you probably should outside of elec

stanza of memorials

5* arts unit

the most important part about it is its passive

[wide latch]

nothing yet, im just checking what essences to keep if i happen to get

[tight haven]

which grants a very prodigious atk% buff to her teammates

[west moon]

Same effect but make it twice bigger

[final plume]

yeah ig I'll hold off until her sig is about to leave, maybe we'll have more info on banners in 1.1 or until I have nowhere else to spend my sanity on and have to start farming essences for her

[spice flame]

Yo, so atk% really brings the damage yes?

[tight haven]

generally yes

if we ever get a gear set/op that grants an oversaturation of atk% then it might depreciate in relative value

[spice flame]

does it affect Basic attack or everything in general?

[tight haven]

but right now every team has a lot of dmg%

but not a lot/almost no atk%

besides weapon buffs

[twilit quail]

dmg% is like one of those bloated whale corpses with all of the flammable gas inside

[tight haven]

everything in general. it directly multiplies your superficial atk stat from attributes (like will, agi, int, str)

[twilit quail]

while LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE

[tranquil burrow]

%atk affects your atk value which affects everything

[twilit quail]

is almost barebones

it's so fucking stupid

[bold rose]

if I use Gilb in LR team and Xaihi alr have Xiranite then what does Gilb use

[tight haven]

252% dmg+ on laevs sig

smile

[spice flame]

alr thanks,

[tight haven]

hg seems understandably afraid to scale crit and atk which i think is fair

[twilit quail]

I mean the thing is right

in other games crit is something that is affected by playing RNG on the raising side as well

cant roll substat? get cancer

[tight haven]

especially after The Xaihi Incident

[twilit quail]

but that isnt a layer that exists in this game

even if you are horribly unlucky

you will be able to eventually artifice

and etch everything

[tight haven]

yeah its more controllable

[normal tangle]

i think not scaling crit is intentional, not a “just for now” thing

[twilit quail]

and so in this game crit is just another multiplicative bracket

it isnt more nefarious than any other

[tight haven]

yeah its definitely intentional

[midnight stirrup]

This is besides the point bro

[bold rose]

someone remind me what's that odds of that "perfect" genshin artifact
sth like 0.0001% iirc

[tight haven]

i think the play theyre doing is just being conservative with how big theyre going to allow numbers to be for now

[normal tangle]

like yvonne has an actual “critical” tag which means she specifically wants it, not a universal thing

[midnight stirrup]

My point is as a f2p you dont have the luxury of getting a sig everytime so you gotta settle for the bp weapon

[normal tangle]

if that makes sense

[midnight stirrup]

Cause its usually the second best option

Unless u want to use something worse

By all means

[tight haven]

i do think not being able to get every sig feels soooooooo fucking bad even if its realistically not the end of the world

[tranquil burrow]

crit does not change that, since the ceiling for crit values is a very controllable crit dmg stat

[tight haven]

i will say its refreshing having a gacha arpg with non-obvious composition options

[tight haven]

i cant speak for them but i sympathize with not wanting dps to circulate around being able to attain the vaunted 100% crit rate that just slaps a +50% to all your damage

[bitter cove]

same
its not just a "1 set having 5-gear set that theres only 1 of them so its obvious what to aim for"

[tranquil burrow]

it has its pros and cons. endgame aspirational content in this game will be balanced around maxed essences and artificed gear. endgame aspirational content in genshin can never be balanced around top 0.1% gear, so if you do mine for months on end and suffer, at least you get to actually get ahead of the curve.

[tight haven]

i can understand why and i think its fair

[bitter cove]

and u just gamble for substat which is cancer

[tight haven]

not having rng gear

is so refreshing

even if gear takes fucking months to max

[tranquil burrow]

it takes like 3 weeks

4 tops

[tight haven]

for an entire team i meant but yeah we're in agreement

[bold rose]

also the gear part comes strictly from an AFK portion of the gameplay so you don't feel like your efforts are wasted

[tight haven]

it takes A While

[bold rose]

which is an important psychological thing

[tight haven]

i do also include relevant essences in there

[dry mason]

[tight haven]

which are significant sanity sinks

[bold rose]

you don't miss the failed rolls because you can always get more easily without "putting in effort"
your effort are loaded upfront by building the damn base

[tight haven]

yep it feels very good

[tranquil burrow]

just in time for new limited unit, they will probably balance around that too. they want the whales to feel "done" with their char before each banner, or you have a situation where people want to skip units because they dont have resources to build them.

[tight haven]

it's like rolling a slot machine every time i log in lol

if i lose? oh well i get another shot tomorrow/next week

[tranquil burrow]

cool thing is essences and artifices have mutually exclusive income sources. artificing does not require any sanity.

[tight haven]

cant whale for more shots which i think is something they ought not change

also very true

[bold rose]

yeah the bulk of the effort is on the basebuilding to get the setup going
and at that point it's its own reward since base is arguably the best portion

[tranquil burrow]

bulk of the effort being copying a bp from youtube

[tight haven]

lmao

[bold rose]

coward

[tight haven]

i avoid doing that personally

[bold rose]

build your own spaghetti

[tight haven]

its just denying myself enjoyment

tho i wish we had a simulated aic in-game to work on base plans without like

[tranquil burrow]

i could tc the perfect build composition myself as well but i'd rather just look at someone else's spreadsheet

[tight haven]

destroying productivity

[outer ermine]

how long is lr ult, 3 slashes

[tranquil burrow]

build your base in a simulation, and then export it as blueprints

[outer ermine]

too lazy to count

[tranquil burrow]

i need a new survey

[tight haven]

takes wayyyy too much effort

but yeah suppose it works

i put this in as a big big suggestion for 1.1

[twilit quail]

god i want to raise physical on my own account

but it's so expensive

[spice flame]

So my stat on the physical currently sufficent to the attack boost % or should i focus on the stat first on the etching?

[twilit quail]

and Im so scared

[tight haven]

dude im fucking suffering

i thought "oh 2m should be enough to raise lifeng" NO.

[tranquil burrow]

scared of both rossi & tangtang being premium physical?

[twilit quail]

Im scared of having to raise 4 units for electric

[bold rose]

speaking of LR when do you activate battle skill during her attack chain
just right before FS?

[twilit quail]

and not having enough

every single member of current electric

is possibly losing their job

so pre-raising is just gambling

[bold rose]

rossi likely fire
she's the ake replacement for laev

[lean pawn]

https://youtu.be/E6JQ8engjcQ?si=c4GzM4kHt8qb62Fy gah dam

[tranquil burrow]

you'll have months before all new electric units come

[tight haven]

infliction > atk% > agi

[bold rose]

except Perlica

[tranquil burrow]

like 3 weeks between each new unit

[bold rose]

Perlica is safe

[twilit quail]

and I will need the months

to get the resources

[tranquil burrow]

you'll have enough time to re-raise

[twilit quail]

[spice flame]

Infliction first, then atk% last is agi okay gotcha,

[tight haven]

da pan/endmin i think im just not gonna mastery at all

i really feel like theyre on their way out

[tranquil burrow]

endmin is THE unit with the most longevity in the game though

literal mc

[tight haven]

for premium phys

[tranquil burrow]

gonna be seeing them even a decade from now

[spice flame]

already and almost maxed on endmind....

[twilit quail]

endmin getting their 4th pot in a year

when the slot has been filled by a limited

for the past 9 months

[tranquil burrow]

i will max endmin out for story portions eventually

so i can use them for main story

[bold rose]

wonder if they're gonna pull the Genshin treatment for Endmin and let them have multiple elements down the line

[heady pine]

would that even make sense story-wise

[tight haven]

i think it would be gauche

[heady pine]

i mean they can prob just do an amiya and change his role but keep physical

[outer ermine]

doesnt matter when, its mostly pref. its more convenient if u do it together w ba2cancel tho press both at once

[heady pine]

caster endmin who is physical xaihi or something

[tight haven]

amiya makes more sense

imo

[tranquil burrow]

endmin will get the unique aether + originium dual element trust

[tight haven]

yeah

[spice flame]

how is this possible ._.???

[sterile patrol]

defender endmin

[twilit quail]

straight to t4

[tranquil burrow]

aether is already in the game

[twilit quail]

banished to bottom tier

[drifting quest]

hsr treatment would be nice
different roles rather than just reskinned with new colour for new element

[tranquil burrow]

and endmin being originium is pretty, well, normal

[tight haven]

hoshi alter endmin

[twilit quail]

dude after the recent banner

[spice flame]

we got pengmin <(")

[twilit quail]

hoshi alter

seems like a reasonable unit

[tight haven]

oh yeah def

fucking wang

[heady pine]

idk maybe she becomes aether once she takes off the mask

[twilit quail]

wang doesnt have anything but damage

[drifting quest]

wang taking every solo record going

[twilit quail]

but the damage is like

the highest quality ever

[bold rose]

when should I swap from Hot Work to Tide on Laev

[tight haven]

its such good ass value

[twilit quail]

me when i just get 39 pen

yeah that seems good

[heady pine]

is there any characters that can even do aether dmg in the game btw

[drifting quest]

'this stage will never be 1opped'

[bitter cove]

trapper that disable you by killing the enemy
make sense

[twilit quail]

there are enemies that can

[tight haven]

hes cheap, slap him down and you get like 7 texalters for free

👍

[twilit quail]

my favourite character is dusk

he has the dps of 17 dusks

[spice flame]

uh aren't the poison act as aether? in the Umbral Monument?

[drifting quest]

dont worry dusk can get an IS module to fix her and make her playable there!

[tight haven]

being able to place on tiles enemies are on is just

very dumb

[twilit quail]

CLUEGI

[drifting quest]

they made other bad units like angelina and rosmontis good

surely they can do it for dusk

!!

[tight haven]

honestly dont like that abt his kit even though its quite fun, i think it makes him way way too good compared to other trappers

but whatever we're in year 7

whatever!

[drifting quest]

ela's still like okay

[twilit quail]

archetype has never been related

to the function of the op

[drifting quest]

the rest kinda just got obseleted

[twilit quail]

in like 4 yrs now

[tight haven]

💔 yea

[twilit quail]

they do what they want

[tight haven]

AS LONG AS IT'S FUN...

[drifting quest]

there's still only what like

6?

[tight haven]

chen3 seems neat, yu dragon seems like...

[drifting quest]

2 r6s
robin dorothy
wang
that new one i dont remember the name of from like el banana event

[twilit quail]

so in colloquial internet chinese

[tight haven]

the source of shenanigans but really annoying shenanigans to figure out

[twilit quail]

any narrow/confined space is referred to as a 厕所

[tight haven]

dorothy...

[twilit quail]

i.e toilet

and so the optimal scenario for chen 3

is shutting her enemies inside a toilet

[drifting quest]

im so glad i built my dorothy like 2-3 months ago

[twilit quail]

and effectively

[drifting quest]

!!

[tight haven]

yea leizi alter strats

lol

[bold rose]

ela's more of a sniper with gimmicks
than a trapper

[twilit quail]

setting an arbitrarily large number of gerbils with knives strapped to them loose inside

[tight haven]

ela is just suzuran on demand as far as im concerned

i should learn to use her in more interesting ways

[twilit quail]

like if you corner the opponent in a fighting game this is referred to as locking them inside the toilet

[bold rose]

if I use LR team with Ardelia then who should have Xiranite
Arde or Xaihi
and which should the other use

[twilit quail]

it's so fucking epic

[tight haven]

sitting them down on the shitter

[twilit quail]

arde goes on xiranite

xaihi is setless int

+ult gain

[bold rose]

what about LYNX

[twilit quail]

main stat

[tight haven]

hello my name is xaihi and my main stat is will

why yes i want intellect and i have not graduated from sixth grade

[twilit quail]

I still cry twice every fortnight over the det unit nerfs

[tight haven]

what was it in beta

[twilit quail]

it was int

instead of main stat

[tight haven]

oh bruh

[twilit quail]

so xaihi was just parking herself

at almost 1.1k int

[drifting quest]

akekuri and xaihi need an education

[tranquil burrow]

ohh

[twilit quail]

it's main stat now

which guts her

[tranquil burrow]

you know what, i never realized that implication

[twilit quail]

because it gives her will instead

[manic blade]

iana have you crossed checked one cskill ult breakpoint for gilb? is it 260%?

[bold rose]

how broken was beta Xaihi and Ake
was it like Bennett level

[twilit quail]

dude

just do the maths yourself

you cant be fucking askin gme

to do

PRIMARY SCHOOL MATHS for you

[tight haven]

its 262

[manic blade]

its okay lmao

jw

[bold rose]

holy hell I didn't even recognize you were iana lol

[twilit quail]

[manic blade]

I appreciate the work you've done lol

[tight haven]

(10+6.5+6.5+6.5)2.62=77.2

[twilit quail]

name is changed? different person

it's true

[tight haven]

you need p4

though

[twilit quail]

dude

[bold rose]

didn't check discord user

[twilit quail]

if I just change my pfp and server nick every two weeks

wouldnt that be funny

[drifting quest]

2 more pots i guess haha

[tight haven]

SHUO

NO

ITS BAIT

SHUOOOOOOOO

[drifting quest]

[frozen tide]

shuo whel

[manic blade]

wheres that iana spreadsheet guy smh the sheet didn't tell me skill issue affects my build

[bold rose]

Is everyone here just RIHQ regulars lol

[manic blade]

I have a word with them

[drifting quest]

No

[tranquil burrow]

this man bought monthly materials bundle