#theorycrafting

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ashen scroll
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Sus

valid zealot
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From Wulf to Antal is a sht tons more dmg.

ripe parrot
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i mean as long as everyone does their due diligence before trying out third party applications, it's fine

manic blade
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Industry plant

valid zealot
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But more clunky gameplay you need to adapt.

vestal turtle
ripe parrot
dawn patrol
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they might get comms yeah bc saving makes people want to spend more PerliDerp

ashen scroll
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Hoyo = lootbar , shocking

valid zealot
vestal turtle
eternal ruin
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i've seen some conflicting information on what is actually laev's best team

ripe parrot
midnight stirrup
vestal turtle
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Tbh I’d just run wulf + ake + antal, screw ardelia

midnight stirrup
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Oop

valid zealot
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Ofc no one removing Ake.

midnight stirrup
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Didnt mean to quote

vestal turtle
modest thorn
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I can’t test it right now, but if we just leave ult with 4 heat afflictions can’t we just perma ult

ripe parrot
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Arde is actually kinda clunky in the team surprisingly

valid zealot
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Ult bot.

dawn patrol
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debuff bot

vestal turtle
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Art susceptibility bot

ripe parrot
modest thorn
eternal ruin
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there seems to be only 1 youtube channel going in-depth into laevatain's rotations and they're running this team

ripe parrot
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yes at that point you can drop akekuri I guess

modest thorn
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oh i meant like laevatain, ardelia, akekuri, antal

steel hull
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Hello everyone, just wanna ask how much cool down reduction can we get for combo skill?

modest thorn
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cause wulf doesn't do anything other than apply heat afflictions

ripe parrot
modest thorn
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i feel like wulf is only good when you don't start with ult

eternal ruin
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i've invested in both arde and antal just about equally

eternal ruin
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so i can swap them whenever i guess

modest thorn
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laevatain's ult

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i mean in endgame content you always enter with all 4 ults anyways

vestal turtle
ripe parrot
modest thorn
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so you leave ult with 4 heat afflictions to get ult again

ripe parrot
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oops sorry responded to wrong person

valid zealot
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Dw Rossi is retiring her brother soon.

steel hull
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Does anyone know how much cool down reduction can we get for combo skills?

urban plaza
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I need Rossi to retire Antal/Akkekuri/Ardelia

ripe parrot
eternal ruin
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is rossi speculated to be fire?

drifting quest
dawn patrol
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can't wait for rossi to be a heat vanguard and powercreep ake

drifting quest
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antal/ard or akekuri are most up for replacement

ripe parrot
vestal turtle
valid zealot
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I just don't like the idea of heat bot buffing nothing.

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Hope wulf goes.

vestal turtle
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Rossi might be made for laev

ripe parrot
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wulfgard is just really efficient sp-wise

dawn patrol
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heat bot for the unit that wants heat stacks is fair to me

modest thorn
ripe parrot
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since you're getting 2x applications for 100 sp and also free combust on ult

dawn patrol
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he exists for that one purpose and it's fine

ripe parrot
modest thorn
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you leave ult with 4 heat

ripe parrot
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yes that's one EBS

drifting quest
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there's a rot that ignores ult ebs entirely

vestal turtle
drifting quest
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for more ults and basic spam

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could not tell you if its better or worse than normal gameplay

modest thorn
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ok i might be lost rn, i thought her battle skill + combo + 2 team skills gets you ult again

drifting quest
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yes

dawn patrol
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praying to god it's worse bc that'd be fucked upp

drifting quest
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on the charge set

vestal turtle
modest thorn
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yeah isn't that the build everyone runs (except p4)

ripe parrot
drifting quest
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no

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relatively even split if not hot work biased

dawn patrol
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<- woman who runs hot work

ripe parrot
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also which 2x team skills are you using

modest thorn
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idk what antal does ngl but i guess ardelia and akekuri

modest thorn
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imma have to research this more but i saw someone post it and they shredded the boss

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and then i realized we don't need heat appliers that much

vestal turtle
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yes we do laev wants them often

ripe parrot
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well that's why wulf exists

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he's a 2-for-1 applier

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super space efficient for laev teams

vestal turtle
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also combust bot for laev’s combo

terse furnace
urban plaza
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lol

ripe parrot
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they are psychotic

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(respectfully)

terse furnace
vestal turtle
vestal turtle
modest thorn
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ok wait im curious now, so with ult gear all we need is laev battle skill, laev ult, laev combo and two team battle skills?

dawn patrol
modest thorn
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or do we need more team combos

ripe parrot
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okay maybe there's a world where a new operator has 2-for-1 + support buffs and then i can agree

vestal turtle
drifting quest
ripe parrot
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but it's not this world so far

modest thorn
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yeah ik im talking about endgame cause we're in theorycrafting

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ok so if we took out wulf and ended ult with like 1 heat stack

dawn patrol
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you get one from ake and then what

modest thorn
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ok wait lemme check the heat affliction ardelia and akekuri skill gives

dawn patrol
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one from cs ig

terse furnace
modest thorn
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so maybe we leave ult with 2

ripe parrot
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and then you 3x akekuri skill duh

drifting quest
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ake is 1 on battle skill

ripe parrot
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for a cheap 300sp loss

terse furnace
drifting quest
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ard is 0, but corrosion off her combo procs combo on laev for 1 mf

modest thorn
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i thought she did

dawn patrol
vestal turtle
modest thorn
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man im at school rn so i can't check the game cryaboutit

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ok well then leave ult with 3 heat affliciton 👍

dawn patrol
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you can leave with 2

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get 1 heat from ake bs and 1 mf from ard cs

drifting quest
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just leave with 4

modest thorn
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oh right i forgor about that

terse furnace
# ripe parrot and then you 3x akekuri skill duh

Btw his logic for dropping Wulfgard for Gilb is that in AoE situations Akekuri is enough heat infliction

Which is such a slippery slope of an argument since you're clearly optimizing for one specific form of content, but whatever

drifting quest
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aoe it works because laev combo skill gives extra energy

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based on # hit

ripe parrot
vestal turtle
modest thorn
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ok wait im tryna optimize for single target bosses

terse furnace
modest thorn
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prolly shoulda clarified that

dawn patrol
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replacing wulf and not ard with gilb in laev team is actually insane

modest thorn
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idk what gilb does ngl lol

dawn patrol
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jamiroquai virtual insaity

terse furnace
ripe parrot
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just accept wulfgard as your heat savior

vestal turtle
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which boss do you guys go to for testing your dmg?

ripe parrot
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he's very good

dawn patrol
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rhod

terse furnace
ripe parrot
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target dummy #1

modest thorn
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why do we want gilberta

vestal turtle
ripe parrot
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we... do?

dawn patrol
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she pulls enemies together genshin style

modest thorn
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ye but i mean with a single target

terse furnace
ripe parrot
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i'm honestly skipping gilb

urban plaza
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enemy pull and boost on demand

vestal turtle
dawn patrol
urban plaza
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the 30% debuff is quite big for a burst window

vestal turtle
modest thorn
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hmmm

terse furnace
dawn patrol
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ard cs triggers laev cs for free which is certainly one of the decisions of all time

modest thorn
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okay lets restart, in an endgame single target scenario where we are trying to get the lowest time possible on a boss

terse furnace
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Antal, Wulfgard, Ard

modest thorn
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would antal, ardelia, akekuri, laevatain be the best team?

terse furnace
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Maybe drop Ard for Ake if that's possible, I haven't tested that AkariShrug

drifting quest
vestal turtle
drifting quest
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low time but reasonable?
antal ake wulf

dawn patrol
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so it ends up being no inflict

ripe parrot
dawn patrol
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if laev doesn't eat everything then it actually doesn't proc

ripe parrot
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gilb has the higher ceiling because of that nutty amp but yeah you can't go wrong with antal ake wulf

terse furnace
modest thorn
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okay wait lemme explain my thinking

drifting quest
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if you're speedrunning you dont use wulf

modest thorn
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from what i see, his value lies in his 2 heat applications

drifting quest
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if you want consistent rots over time you use wulf

vestal turtle
modest thorn
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if you leave ult with those 2 heat applications then you don't need him

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is that reasonable thinking

dawn patrol
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if you're running charge set ig

drifting quest
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if you're doing charge set stuff you leave with 4

dawn patrol
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i'm a hot work and ult ebs enjoyer so

modest thorn
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would a diff set have better dps?

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we need some kind of actual target dummy with stats

dawn patrol
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i'm only hitting like 170-180k on my ult ebs it's sick and twisted

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i legit need someone to tell me what i am doing wrong

drifting quest
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whats the lineup

terse furnace
drifting quest
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rot

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yada yada

modest thorn
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what is the current team ppl like using for re-crisis?

ripe parrot
vestal turtle
vestal turtle
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I already feel like I get ult pretty fast without charge set

modest thorn
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cause the main reason im bringing up taking out wulf is from a reddit clip of an almost sub 1 minute fat dude kill

terse furnace
modest thorn
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i forgot his name

valid zealot
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Rhod.

modest thorn
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rhodagn

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ill forget that later but thank you

supple epoch
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Everyday someone trying to get rid of wulf 🤣

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Poor wulfy

terse furnace
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You should see the hate towards Da Pan

vestal turtle
dawn patrol
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i fucking hate da pan so much

terse furnace
ripe parrot
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DUDE i love da pan

drifting quest
dawn patrol
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my vitriol towards da pan could actually kill a man

ripe parrot
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da pan doesn't deserve this

valid zealot
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Rhod fight is really short, so buffmaxxing Antal > Wulf is acceptable.

supple epoch
vestal turtle
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Da pan is funny lol

drifting quest
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the infliction and second combo can come during laev ult

drifting quest
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however

supple epoch
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I’d prob have max potential everyone but most pulls are snow shine 😩

terse furnace
dawn patrol
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they made the panda the mdps instead of my goat lifeng

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robbed

terse furnace
ripe parrot
ripe parrot
dawn patrol
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he's p2 but i'm not spending money on this game rn

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i'm brokes

terse furnace
modest thorn
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what is the lowest time on rhodagn rn?

vestal turtle
ripe parrot
valid zealot
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Da Pan could be the typical funny unc type if he was more visually friendly.

terse furnace
modest thorn
terse furnace
valid zealot
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I'm not the target audience butI respect the idea.

dawn patrol
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they need to make a miyabi/vergil type character i'll switch to that team no matter what it is

drifting quest
# dawn patrol

i only watched the first rot but no ardelia susc, no ake ult might be the indication

ripe parrot
dawn patrol
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i'll even play shatter

ripe parrot
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he's perfect the way he is

dawn patrol
valid zealot
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I wouldn't call fatass no pants bear that but it's ok.

ripe parrot
dawn patrol
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however his role pisses me off

valid zealot
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It's not for me, it's for someone.

drifting quest
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electric can do as low as 0s

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with cheese

terse furnace
ripe parrot
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see above

modest thorn
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ok wait so like the 15s isn't actually 15s?

drifting quest
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endfield speedruns start on pull, not on entering stage

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thats what the community decided

modest thorn
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what is pull

drifting quest
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aggro the boss

dawn patrol
ripe parrot
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when you start the boss

valid zealot
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Aggro.

ripe parrot
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not when you load in

modest thorn
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oh

drifting quest
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so every speedrun does

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pre pre

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p

modest thorn
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whats the record for a laeva team

drifting quest
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15s

modest thorn
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damn do u have a vid thats crazy

drifting quest
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vestal turtle
modest thorn
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huh so it uses gilb instead of akekuri

kindred sorrel
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Why use akekuri when you’re doing a single rotation

valid zealot
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Not needed.

drifting quest
kindred sorrel
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No need for akekuri sp

valid zealot
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Not beating Gilb fs.

drifting quest
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the comp is ardelia

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you can drop her for ake

kindred sorrel
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If it’s just buffs, the three used are all better than akekuri

modest thorn
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so ig wulf isn't needed but then so is akekuri lol

drifting quest
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pure speedrun delusion

valid zealot
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Man it's pot 5 speedrun.

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Just don't take it.

dense plank
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very close to oneshotting rhodagn in the first phase, avy still isn't pot5 though so im missing that 1.15 multiplier , pot 0 jet and lv4 atk% on essence

modest thorn
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on a higher hp version of rhodagn what would the team look like

valid zealot
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Whatever you were doing since.

safe nymph
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before i start to artifice my gear im just wondering if heat work + tide fall on laevatin is her bis

ripe parrot
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oh my god this is agony

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I'm consistently 130/120s on rhod

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my stew meetings...

terse furnace
eternal ruin
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what's the correct team order for laevatain?

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or does it not matter

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the combo skills trigger in sequence, right?

valid zealot
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Doesn't matter.

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It only matters if multiple combos has the same trigger.

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In Lae team they don't.

modest thorn
valid zealot
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He Chen solo.

ripe parrot
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OH MY GOD

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I DID IT

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I LOCKED IN

valid zealot
terse furnace
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(Gratz lol)

ripe parrot
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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

next helm
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Wonder if I upgrade m1 to m3 ult

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If that just shaves of 15 seconds

ripe parrot
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not sure how i saved 10s by doing the same literal rotation

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but whatever

terse furnace
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Or maybe you dodged less

next helm
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I assume you just hit more in the stagger duration

ripe parrot
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my dodges have little variance because i route for SP

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might be flamethrower section?

ripe parrot
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since i need to pump exact dmg into rhod during that time

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reviewing footage, i mess up a decent amount too

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i cancel animations too early a lot

fresh lynx
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does physical team with lifeng/pog or electric team with avy/gilberta do more damage?

terse furnace
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I think Phys does? but I'm pretty sure you can trim with both teams

drifting quest
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what do you mean more damage

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burst? sustained dps? investment levels?

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potentials? weapons?

unreal light
ripe parrot
unreal light
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Insanely unfair

rich linden
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chat how do u get ult juice

unreal light
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Like instead of 2 mins you’re getting 1:50 to begin with

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I milk the ult user

rich linden
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is 1 sp used = 1 ult cost gain?

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😭

drifting quest
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no

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100 sp (1 skill) of 'real' sp = 6.5 energy to entire team

hexed rose
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😭 saying this about a 100% sp postive full uptime debuffer i lowkey dont get most of na

drifting quest
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Where did full uptime come from

hexed rose
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300% ult eff build

unreal light
drifting quest
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Ange ult cd is only 5s?

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What rot

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Too

rich linden
rich linden
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duration is 5s

shut cobalt
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question, should i m3 all these 4 before investing on anything else or is stopping on the medium or high one fine?
laev btw

valid zealot
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So no full uptime

rich linden
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so 15s downtime for the debuff ig

hexed rose
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like not full uptime but basically every cycle youd need it

drifting quest
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This is what I had assumed

unreal light
rich linden
valid zealot
hexed rose
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and combo skill does bring it down to 9seconds at m3 im pretty sure but its not the most worth

shut cobalt
hexed rose
summer flower
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for what pog is there?

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laev is full fire right?

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or is she mixed?

shut cobalt
hexed rose
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fire

next helm
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Laev is full heat

valid zealot
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Prob just general prio but ugh

shut cobalt
hexed rose
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so it depends on the build

shut cobalt
valid zealot
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Ake only needs ult leveled.

hexed rose
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yeah her damage contrib is low

shut cobalt
fading fog
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aren't Pog's SP gains fixed?

rich linden
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adelia skill only yea unless u need more healing etc

shut cobalt
next helm
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M1 increases it by 33%

shut cobalt
drifting quest
valid zealot
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That someone is wrong.

drifting quest
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skill level

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and not per level, has breakpoints

unreal light
fading fog
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I see

next helm
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70 85 on skill
37.5 to 50 on ult

next helm
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Pretty good amount

unreal light
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Hey is this the best rot for Chen/End/Pog/Lifeng?

After 4 stacks pog consume, I go Lifeng Skill, Ult
Chen combo, Lifeng combo, Endmin combo
Chen ulti, Endmin ulti, Endmin skill

fading fog
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wish I wasn't held back by tcreds, I have 27 crowns collecting dust atm 🥀

shut cobalt
outer ermine
summer flower
rich linden
rapid pebble
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how do buff effects work in this situation: I have 2 characters with Eternal Xiranite set, let's say the first character has 5 seconds of the buff left and I activate the set on 2nd character, do I have 15 seconds of the buff or 5 seconds?

shut cobalt
unreal light
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And what’s the link buff amount again?

Is it scaled with arts intensity or smth?

valid zealot
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Fixed.

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Wait link.

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Skill damage increases by 30/45/60/75%
Ultimate damage increases by 20/30/40/50%

unreal light
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What are the breakpoints?

valid zealot
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Link stacks.

unreal light
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Ahh

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Clever

unreal light
neat snow
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Do you guys think 48k xiranite components is a good enough stockpile or can I transfer to valley and keep producing

valid zealot
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Just unplug then re plug when you need more.

neat snow
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The way my setup is I have to tear down and rebuild to swap production lines but it's all blue printed so it's quick

sterile herald
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i just have my setup make

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0.3 components a minute

neat snow
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I went full component when I started artificing cause I needed it fast

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And just let it run for 5 days

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Now I have 44k

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But 0 bills

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I think ill hit 48k and then swap back to batteries and syringes

eternal sluice
neat snow
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True. I want more factory now LaeAngryF

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But I artifice the ult gain set

eternal sluice
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48k is nearly 100 pieces

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just turn on component prpduction when you get low

daring dove
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Finally W_HuHyperYAY

fading fog
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what's the artifice prio on yvonne?

neat snow
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Welcome to the club

chilly bolt
outer ermine
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fuck i crit on tentacles

chilly bolt
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also i just found a clip which has both lr and yvonne in a team

lime bear
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Umbral in 2 days chat

fading fog
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I also run last rite because she has cheap infliction application

manic blade
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when does umbral drop again

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oh

lime nacelle
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I personally don't always consume 4 stacks.

unreal light
drifting quest
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phys has too many rotations

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there is no best one

lime nacelle
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I also don't like relying on ult for things.

unreal light
lime nacelle
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Because it won't always be up.

twilit quail
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ok I'm finally

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more or less done with everything

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other than the rotational graphics

unreal light
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At boss

twilit quail
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if I can get that done tmw the deed is done

lime nacelle
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But if you want the "max damage possible" with Crush, and don't care about factors such as how long you took to set it up, then yeah - consume 4 stacks with Pog for breach, then build 4 stacks of Vuln again (with or without Lifeng ult), and then Crush with Link and Endmin crystal.

valid zealot
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I was literally reading as you update it.

lime nacelle
unreal light
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I thought it’s a separate reaction

valid zealot
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Lol he changed handle to on holiday

lime nacelle
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The link buff doesn't get applied to the actual "Crush" damage.

unreal light
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Yes

manic blade
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iana do you know wth is BIS for p5p5 laev

unreal light
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Why do you suggest it then

twilit quail
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uhhh

lime nacelle
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Because you're trying to go for the "max damage possible".

twilit quail
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at max double slab is actually worth something

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you could try it

lime bear
unreal light
lime nacelle
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There's actually something else you can do, to get even higher damage.

twilit quail
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with p4 ult reduction you get the ult in the same cycle anyway

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I use charge set myself

lime nacelle
unreal light
twilit quail
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there is also 3x crit and 1 slab which is theoretically good for 5+5 but in practice uhhhhhh

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I dont know man

unreal light
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I’m asking not about some single “big hit”, but about the most damage my whole team can do during the stagger window

lime nacelle
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I'm talking about all the numbers that come out when you Crush put together.

lime nacelle
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Then I would probably use link on Endmin ult. ASpikaThink Haven't tested it compared to Chen though.

unreal light
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Crash is nothing compared to the whole team’s damage

twilit quail
unreal light
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I mean if you’re not having like 3 supports alongside endmin

valid zealot
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How long stagger last or it varies

unreal light
timber harness
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Hello chat. Any ember glazing today? Or physical glazing in general

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(panda does not count penguin supremacy)

neat snow
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Ember glazing? 👀

outer ermine
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PerliFumo i got it, just need to crit on nuke

timber harness
manic blade
twilit quail
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It shouldnt be considered if youre not like

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at least 4+4 I think

timber harness
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lets also glaze endmin harder than all of the gacha characters do in the story too

twilit quail
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double slab at 0+1 is only good if you are insanely handless

sudden sparrow
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is there any way to check what damage multipliers do effects like electrification, corrosion and breach have and how much damage stuff like arts burst does? if it's not documented in game is there any convenient guide for that?

lime nacelle
# unreal light But then you’re not stacking phys status

Here's one thing to consider as well, which makes this topic even more tricky when you're considering what the best "rotation" is - Endmin's crystal gives you an attack buff when you break it. It lasts for 15 seconds. If you break the crystal prior to stun, then manage to still have the buff up when the next crystal breaks (with ult or crush), you get a huge damage boost (about 20%).

twilit quail
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one misconception people have about hot works is that the focus(and what makes it good) is enhanced skill during ult

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that isn't quite true

lime nacelle
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But the timing is really strict.

twilit quail
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if you simply have good uptime on the 50% elem buff from the set

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it will 100% be better than 2x slab

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even if you do only one enhanced skill in ult

lime nacelle
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And you have to weigh this against not having full vuln stacks when you go into stun, etc.

terse furnace
lime nacelle
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What I do so far during stun is the stun normal attack, into Endmin ult, then Lifeng ult, Chen ult, Crush, Lifeng skill, Chen Combo, Endmin Combo, Lifeng Combo, another Crush. You can fit all that into stun window.

unreal light
timber harness
# terse furnace

I'd repost but then itd be spam and annoy all the nerds number crunching in here the same exact rot they number crunched 8 hours ago

twilit quail
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realistically I think that if someone is playing properly in this game

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where you will never have full uptime

terse furnace
twilit quail
#

2x slab is never going to be actually better

#

because the game doesnt have fights that are dummies that stand still and measure your damage

manic blade
#

I have hot works fully built so it's hard to commit to another build rn just holding onto catylysts ig

twilit quail
#

just use that then

unreal light
manic blade
#

laev BIS just gets switched up every other day Kek

twilit quail
#

it's not that it changes

#

it's that someone suggests something

#

and then some people are convinced by it

#

and go to argue for it

manic blade
#

propaganda...

robust vault
#

is there a reason why gilberta isnt recommended for last rite?

next helm
#

Posting misinfo online

#

what

next helm
lime nacelle
#

I did an oopsie.

#

Forgot to say my Lifeng is C1.

#

So yeah I guess it would be different.

amber vapor
lime nacelle
unreal light
lime nacelle
#

Because Edmin ult damage when you break crystal is huge, better than the extra hit with Lifeng's ult.

twilit quail
#

the only situation where I think slab has something of a case

#

is 5+5

twilit quail
#

or if the player really is just like a glassy eyed automaton

daring dove
#

Ult gain Laevatain "feels" the best to me in terms of gameplay & flow. It actually being the best from a mathematical standpoint though is just dependant on your agenda & the content you're facing. 108_yaehmm

twilit quail
#

and cant even activate +50% on hot work

lime nacelle
#

Actually maybe I should just show.

#

Maybe it'll make sense.

unreal light
#

Yeah please show

manic blade
#

i think umbral should help lay things out

twilit quail
#

I mean no energy start

#

it's just charge set, right

#

there isnt anything else to say

manic blade
#

prolly...

lime bear
#

Ardelia rise

outer ermine
#

6 runs still no crit LaeAngryF and its 1 ginseng per 2 runs

manic blade
#

there's also like what a poison floor

twilit quail
#

physical would rather take ember than ardelia

#

ardelia is doing literally nothing

lime bear
#

jk I'm just gonna Laevatain it

manic blade
#

is hot works best off piece for one cycle by p4

#

gloves*

lime bear
twilit quail
#

you need tide chest so yes

amber vapor
# lime nacelle

Bro what's the other gacha with audio in the background lmao

manic blade
lime nacelle
#

I think it's hilarious.

#

It's so funny. LMAO

amber vapor
#

You on PC or PS5?

lime nacelle
#

PC.

amber vapor
#

Dude that's so bizarre lmao

manic blade
#

BASE BOOSTED ENDFIELD BANGGG

lime nacelle
#

The audio of when Rhodagn is shooting out flames sounds like he's farting.

outer ermine
lime nacelle
#

It sounds like I'm hitting with toy hammers or something.

twilit quail
#

and weird assumptions

#

it's not like anyone is just

#

saying shit

#

and people are believin them en masse

#

they are at least showing some sort of calculation

manic blade
#

ult set I'm like half through artificing

midnight stirrup
amber vapor
#

W mod snipe

manic blade
#

fr

lime nacelle
#

I saw that.

tight haven
#

okay gilb p3 might let you achieve some funny breakpoints

#

god i need like 1000 more artificing cores

#

jesus christ

manic blade
#

artificing might just be the lamest aspect of the game rn

#

worse than etching

amber vapor
manic blade
#

even when we get more sky forges and can produce a lot more like we're alr hard capped by how many we can buy a week

#

I bought out the entire shop last week including all the limited...

lime bear
#

I'm gonna umbral

#

nyus for the change should tmr

#

pls no tight timer

lime nacelle
amber vapor
#

I do think it would be a lot easier to figure out the best sets and so on if the game actually had a more easily digestible way of showing how the stats work together and so on

twilit quail
#

like this does look good and it's easy to be convinced by it

#

but it's like

#

it's not actually good in practice

valid zealot
#

Dmg bonus doko

lime nacelle
#

I tested all 3 sets on Endmin to find out which was the best one.

valid zealot
#

Statmaxxing are so baiting.

tight haven
lime bear
#

send me 30k

valid zealot
#

Yeah.

twilit quail
#

yeah and the only situation whereI can see it being

#

remotely close to good

manic blade
#

I get it with p5p5 since dmg bonuses are hard diminishing returns

twilit quail
#

is 5+5

#

which I have

tight haven
#

yeah

twilit quail
#

and it's alright

#

it's not bad

tight haven
#

i prefer 1 slab

#

for 5+5

twilit quail
#

nah 1 slab is

#

completely disgusting

tight haven
#

really? dont rots feel too slow with 2 slab

daring dove
#

Has anyone done the calcs on how big an uplift Gilberta's weapon is for team damage yet? I'm kinda curious how much arts damage dealt is need to equal 1%ATK uplift. I know it'll be team dependent but would still like a general idea.

twilit quail
#

you get like 2% damage bonus and lose all the upsides of the desirable damage distribution that hot works has for this game

#

you have p5

#

you dont need ult gain

#

to ult in 2 cycles

manic blade
#

I'll prolly just keep artificing ult set and even if I don't need I can use on akekuri

tight haven
#

wouldnt you prefer to have 1 cycle rots still while also having 1 slab

#

or am i forgoring how much charge gloves give at max artifice

twilit quail
#

you cant

#

you miss it just barely

#

and and and

#

if you wanted to be mathematically correct at p5

tight haven
#

wait srs

twilit quail
#

you would take crit set

tight haven
#

oh my god is crit laev actually not a meme

twilit quail
#

because it is actually

#

mathematically best over a very long timeline

#

for 5+5

tight haven
#

okay right

#

over like

#

3 min+

#

or whatever it was

twilit quail
#

something like that

#

it's not a meme

#

but it also is

manic blade
#

I mean it's rng no? Like if you land crits on the big hits better dmg miss a lot of them and wrose

twilit quail
#

yeah that's why it's still kind of a meme

#

because there is no enemy

#

that is just going to stand there for 5 mins

#

testing your dps

manic blade
#

test dummy when LOL

twilit quail
#

dummy would ruin this game

lime nacelle
#

Why ruin?

valid zealot
#

Impractical.

manic blade
#

genshin actually has a test dummy now

twilit quail
#

there would be no fun anymore

lime nacelle
#

As if people aren't going into Rhodagn to throw out their combo before reseting.

manic blade
#

because ucg

outer ermine
#

PerliWheeze theres marble phase2 but only for finisher nukes

lime nacelle
#

And by reseting, I mean exiting out into a loading screen, then going back in after another loading screen. Cat_Hanh

twilit quail
unreal light
# lime nacelle

Btw do you know chen’s not consuming endmin’s crystals?

twilit quail
#

hang on

unreal light
#

You may use her ult prior the endmin’s

twilit quail
#

it might be fine now

unreal light
#

To gain the dmg buff

valid zealot
#

You want endmin ult to consume it.

unreal light
#

And Chen does not consume it

valid zealot
#

Uh

#

Just use the ult before combo anim finishes.

unreal light
#

So you use one in between endmin’s combo and ult

twilit quail
midnight stirrup
valid zealot
#

It only checks at first hit.

twilit quail
#

even if you rounded up every time

midnight stirrup
#

The way AK handles it is how mmos like Tera handled it

twilit quail
#

you would be 0.3% short

midnight stirrup
#

Still rough but yaknow

twilit quail
#

and I dont think the rounding changes fix it

#

I mean this game

#

is actually very similar to a mmo

#

in a bunch of ways

tight haven
valid zealot
#

coop when

manic blade
#

fr

tight haven
#

striker gilb passive please 🙏

#

rossi save us

manic blade
#

endfield raid dungeons

twilit quail
#

ok so the thing is

lime nacelle
#

There's actually a lot of stuff I need to test before I'm able to talk about this. Stuff like... Chen ult with 2 Vuln stacks compared to 3 or 4. Chen ult with and without Link. Chen ult damage with Endmin crystal compared to Edmin ult damage from breaking crystal, etc. There's a lot of variables, I can't say what's better yet.

twilit quail
#

the next fire team member that releases

#

is probably also going to change the lae gear

#

there's SP? hot works to the moon

#

there's a lot of dmg%? slab might become better

#

so everyone's shit is still in flux

#

it's not just physical

valid zealot
#

Perk of pot 0 plebs.

tranquil burrow
tight haven
#

truthnuke

tight haven
#

crit support so crit laev becomes real and true

dry kindle
#

Also just next wuling update possibly adding another 5 sets because why not

tight haven
#

just free 50% cc 50% cd for 20s on ult

#

i can be trusted

#

this wont make the game boring and unfun

twilit quail
#

universal crit support

manic blade
#

nahhhh

tight haven
#

i cannot wait for us to get more basic hh pulls man

#

im so close to p3 lifeng

#

i can finally have funny numbers

twilit quail
#

I might be able to have the new phys page done tomorrow

valid zealot
twilit quail
#

depending on how far I get with the rotation graphics

#

I have one of them done and Im pretty happy

ocean saffron
#

qq - if i onfield chen instead of endmin, i noticed she can cancel out of her attack before final strike after the 1st of two hits and directly fs instead, is that optimal? she never leaves the ground and avoids doing that air attack, but idk how much that hit does of her attack chain or anything

twilit quail
#

you want to cancel both a4 and a5 on chen yes

#

approx 0.53s gain from it if done perfectly

#

it's good

ocean saffron
#

what about energy gen? is that affected by skipping a hit?

twilit quail
#

no

ocean saffron
#

ok thx

twilit quail
#

energy gain from anything that isnt a character mechanic, team skill or combo is 0

unreal light
# lime nacelle

this was my roto two days ago, when I tested lifeng’s nuke ulti

No link buff, cause I used it to hit 100k with lifeng’s ult

Now (especially once I crowned Chen) lifeng’s ulti feels nothing compared to her damage, so I’m looking for a way to make a new roto, feeding a link straight to Chen

#

Soz for the mobile potato graphics, will be able to re-record from pc only tomorrow

twilit quail
#

I still need like

#

brainrot memes

#

I can put on the side of the mandatory reading part

#

send them to me

ocean saffron
fading fog
#

I use pan but I can feed a link to both lifeng at the beginning and another at the end to chen ult

outer ermine
#

lower than i thought PerliWaaaaa if only combo doesnt vanish when cutscenes pop

valid zealot
lime nacelle
twilit quail
#

yeah in that spirit

#

but an actual gif or something

#

would brick the sheet

#

cause it's google sheets

outer ermine
#

think laev finisher was 3.2m

twilit quail
#

should I talk about the

#

mathematically correct

#

pog main dps set

valid zealot
#

Don't go back on your words.

twilit quail
#

but it's so fucking funny man

#

slab pog

valid zealot
#

Because fkin will.

ripe parrot
#

will main stat enjoyers

unreal light
valid zealot
#

Will main dps.

#

smh

lime nacelle
ocean saffron
# twilit quail should I talk about the

it would be nice read something about the effect of ult charge rate more in detail like when you'd get ults assuming u start with 0 using various threshholds

#

if you're bored xd

lime nacelle
#

You have to look at the effects, before and after buffs, etc.

twilit quail
#

I mean it's

unreal light
#

Sure thing

twilit quail
#

6.5 per team skill, 10 per combo

#

and that's just kind of it

#

you see how many combo you do

unreal light
#

Big pp endmin tho

twilit quail
#

how many skills

#

and you just do basic maths

#

and you work off that number

#

if you mean like startup timeline for 0 ult

#

that's a lot of work and I cant be fucked to do it

#

even if I do have the knowledge

valid zealot
#

the skill issue gif

civic rover
#

got all the trim medals with this comp]

outer ermine
#

whel PerliStareYou

#

PerliWheeze forbidden xaihi tech

ripe parrot
#

If anyone's interested, here's the trimmed Chen solo Rhodagn run. I made a couple of minor mistakes but I can finally rest now. also ripped apart the video compression to fit it into discord's size restrictions

twilit quail
#

rip cbt det unit

outer ermine
#

lemme proc det on this mf bro pls

brisk frigate
#

hear me out
perlica ganna betray us
she's only nice because she cant steal the authority over originum from us rn
how you may ask
she'd just steal the little stone we got at the start of the game
proof ?
this

#

i said it first

daring dove
#

Does this mean we're getting Umbral Monument this week? 108_yaehmm

bronze plume
#

yes

#

why do you think theyd make it a challenge and it not be on the week it is even

lime nacelle
#

Umbral Monument is gonna be harder than getting 3rd boss trimmed?

ripe parrot
#

no

bronze plume
#

no

twilit quail
#

probably easier

#

honestly

lime nacelle
#

OK good.

outer ermine
#

PerliFumo yea

lime nacelle
#

Because I haven't artificed my gear yet. LOL

unreal light
bronze plume
#

umbral is quite easy all things considered

#

if you can get trim medals

unreal light
#

In a full team

ripe parrot
unreal light
#

Considering the stun

outer ermine
#

change trim conditions PerliWheeze

valid zealot
#

It's oro farm stage ofc it's not gonna be trimmed hard.

bronze plume
#

you 100% can do umbral

valid zealot
#

Casual needs to live.

ripe parrot
#

arts intensity is good because i have to squeeze out damage during non stagger a lot

daring dove
#

Wasn't Umbral AoE focused in beta, I hope it is this time. I'll absolutely wreck it. Klee_Derp

twilit quail
#

bonecrusher chen is really fake

ripe parrot
#

i still considered stagger sets but i don't have rapid ascent PerliDerp

steady rock
#

Going for the trims once my team is leveled raah PerliDerp

ripe parrot
#

i don't really know because my phys team is like barely operational

#

because all of my resources were sent straight to chen

#

i just have phys team to farm meat lmao

twilit quail
#

chen can very often get away with 4x swordmancer

#

and there's no reason to not go for that

valid zealot
#

Swordmaxxing.

twilit quail
#

there's no reason to go cr bonecrusher kit either

#

because if you have rapid ascent

#

you should actually be using slab if you dont need energy

#

lmao

valid zealot
#

What is slab

#

Why is it slowly invading my personal space.

ripe parrot
#

I did some onfield test with different sets and slab felt like a meme (in solo)

valid zealot
#

I'm funneling energy to LF so she sits on 0% ult gain and bone kit.

twilit quail
#

I mean 4x swordmancer is probably going to be better on average

#

realistically

ripe parrot
#

we're talking from a team setting, yeah?

#

yeah, I agree with that

steady rock
#

is swordmancer also the go to when she isnt the on field op? wanted to use her on a team but dunno if i overlooked smth for a better chen

twilit quail
#

yeah at 90/90 all 4 members

#

1 slab for p1+ ascent

#

looks to be mathematically correct

#

which is very funny

#

more than anything else

ripe parrot
#

what's max artificed slab

twilit quail
#

aethertech is also a really funny set

#

it's like in an eigenstate

#

of being fucking awesome

#

and being not that good

#

at all times

ripe parrot
#

I assure you that on (solo) Chen it's pretty insane

lime bear
#

I wonder if Umbral gonna be as easy in cbt2

#

I think we'll get proper boss endgame in 1.1 trust

twilit quail
#

ooh they got the chen solo down to 93s

valid zealot
#

But like, other than p5 Da Pan does she has the luxury of overflow vuln stack for the passive.

frank shadow
#

anyone know if the difference between gilberta sig and the weapon in the freemium battle pass is substantial or kinda whatever?

ripe parrot
twilit quail
#

man the new chen ep

#

it's so good

#

that's that shit man

charred fractal
#

any guides on proper artificing, idk which stats to focus on first

twilit quail
#

oh shit the electric players are looking at a sub 9s rhodan kill now

#

AHAH

#

it's so unserious

steady rock
# twilit quail

aren't swordmancer and that one identical in everything after checking

next helm
#

He does it faster

#

than I do with laev

twilit quail
#

theyre identical yes he just uses this for fun

steady rock
#

ah fair enough

tight haven
#

wait does this not affect her LOL

#

doing some testing and realizing my numbers arent matching with gameplay possibly because im assuming this passive also affects her

outer ermine
#

PerliWheeze damn ur gil is gonna slap

bold rose
#

I noticed when I play Laev I'm greedy as fuck
in terms of dodging vs attacking
especially if I'm in ult

#

like if I play another DPS like LR or try phys I will dodge stuff

#

but when I'm in Laev ult I will take that hit to get my own hit in

tight haven
#

i dont give a single fuck when im using laev because her passive is broken

#

it makes her so hard to kill unless youre trolling and running into triagg's phase 2 nuke or something

tulip geyser
#

Does Yinglung even work? Tested on Last Rite (her Combo multi is about half her Ult multi)
And the damage is bare above half with 3 Yinglung stacks

outer ermine
#

PerliDerp i have to be full hp for arts amp

#

xaihi moment

valid zealot
#

Time to daily.

bronze plume
#

yippie

outer ermine
daring dove
valid zealot
#

wide

next helm
#

theorybraggingchannel

outer ermine
#

oh i messed up PerliWaaaaa im using gil sig i thought i put stanza on this mf

#

can go higher than 2m ig

bronze plume
#

now that laev is m12

#

its ardelias turn

daring dove
outer ermine
daring dove
bronze plume
#

obviously

tight haven
#

skill levels

#

yeah

#

[Umbral Monument] Gameplay Details
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︀︀
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#

oh huh

#

@bronze plume these are different from cbt2 medals right

#

like it used to be the same color as the boss trims

#

now theyre rainbow

bronze plume
#

yeah they use to be the same as the boss trims

#

now they are the silver type one

tight haven
#

yeah ok

#

funny

#

the new ones dont look as nice 💔

bronze plume
#

imo

#

both medals look ugly as shit

#

icl

#

all i care about is how many pulls a update umbral will actually give

tight haven
#

💔

#

ill be surprised if it gives more than like

#

3 pulls

bronze plume
#

and how these so called challenges actually work

#

my guess is 2

dry kindle
#

Its so over

tight haven
#

lmao

#

they really should make etchspace reset every 2 weeks

bronze plume
#

yeah etchspace being a 1 time thing

#

its the dumbest shit

daring dove
tight haven
#

umbral should be easy af

bronze plume
#

like yeah itll get boring for the 99% it already is without reseting

#

but like give us more shit man

tight haven
#

also no tacticals in agony

#

is new

#

actually

bronze plume
#

no it isnt

tight haven
#

we could use tacticals in agony during beta no

#

like syringes and capsules

bronze plume
#

in cbt2 you couldnt use tacticals in either mode

tight haven
#

no no not FOOD

#

like tacticals

bronze plume
#

yeah

#

like tacticals

tight haven
#

okay wait what the fuu

bronze plume
#

healing

tight haven
#

are you sure

#

no

#

no wait youre right

bronze plume
#

Enion

tight haven
#

yeahhhh okay youre right

bronze plume
#

how many times have you questioned me about something being right during cbt2

#

and ive been right and youve been wrong

outer ermine
#

i can apply lift for sig and i think lr sig buffs will last long enough until gil finishes her skill to combo PerliDerp is that worth over stanza

tight haven
bronze plume
#

basically they made the normal mode of it easier and kept the difficulty of agony

#

id hope

#

if they made agony even easier

#

they really are just shilling everything to the casuals

shut cobalt
#

where is the uh, rotation for this? its still under construction?

tight haven
#

agony was alresdy REALLY easy

bronze plume
#

exactly

humble hinge
#

What is endgame? Event to farm pull currency?

tight haven
#

everything we have so far is all one-time stuff

#

umbral is also one-time

bronze plume
#

umbral isnt 1 time

tight haven
#

the stages are

daring dove
#

They've likely done a ton of tweaking since beta if people where clearing it with 1 level 80 character.

bronze plume
#

its both

tight haven
#

the rewards for them wont reset nor do the stages themselves go away

bronze plume
#

1 time for stage rewards

daring dove
#

We'll see when it drops

humble hinge
bronze plume
#

but the oroberyl challenge rewards reset each patch

tight haven
#

you'd think

#

but so far it hasnt panned out

bronze plume
#

i mean tbf

shut cobalt
humble hinge
bronze plume
#

i thought etchspace was going to be made like at least a bi weekly
and that the cbt1 gamemode that gave 5k arsenal tokens ( a week btw) was going to be added on release

tight haven
#

their game mode structure is so wack dude

bronze plume
#

but instead they decided to do absolutly fucking nothing with either

tight haven
#

i dont know what theyre going for

bronze plume
#

and people be glazing endfield like its the next best gacha

#

HELL no

high finch
bronze plume
#

bro is carried by the words arknights on its back

tight haven
#

5k arsenal is actually perfectly reasonable imo

#

im so serious

#

the arsenal gacha is so bad man

bronze plume
#

considering theres is literally no other way to get arsenal tokens outside of having to roll on a character banner you dont want

tight haven
#

hey now

bronze plume
#

5k is fine if its the only way to get them

manic blade
#

Yeah etchspace I thought would be similar to like Elysian realm divergent/sinulated universe weekly cycle