theorycrafting

[cobalt cypress]

while giving last rite ardelia

[calm gazelle]

i’ve got maxed sig wep & int pieces so slab might be worth it

[blazing lake]

I fucking HATE slab

[tranquil burrow]

5s duration with a 20s cooldown (I legit didn't know ults had cooldowns before this)

[calm gazelle]

ah good point, thanks for the reminder

[cobalt cypress]

buffs based on attack frequency/crit buffer or something-

[drifting quest]

crit buffer makes last rite better too prob

since you just critfish

[tranquil burrow]

which is not normal human behavior

[next helm]

There is a world where they can just both exist

Pick what you like is fine too

[daring dove]

We're talking about sig effects... Not susceptivity

[blazing lake]

Are crits even useable

[daring dove]

Ah sorry

Wrong reply here

[calm gazelle]

yeah imo if her p5 was -5sec cd on ulti she’d be the first broken p5 unit

[gritty olive]

[calm gazelle]

this my build rn

[gritty olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883724739670073355/1469721997604028416/image0.jpg?ex=6988b0c6&is=69875f46&hm=cd39d1eb8cb6ab757262a108dccda6f9e472034edc7a22ba3bf8ea2af87b72d1&

currently i have this

[calm gazelle]

but with p5 lavacake yk i gotta try the ult build

[gritty olive]

oh maxpot

[tranquil burrow]

Wrong girl

[gritty olive]

go full ult

legit

[calm gazelle]

[gritty olive]

you have really good uptime with forgeborn

[drifting quest]

yoo is that surtr from hit gacha game arknights

we love surtr hospital clears

what do you mean its not 2022

[rare dew]

anyone did theorycrafting for gilberta weapons ?

[high finch]

full artificing another set? i'm gonna lose my mind

[drifting quest]

yes we've known since day 1

[next helm]

Wait her combo becomes 17 seconds?

[rare zodiac]

Sorry to break your dream but slab is impossible, 16% from armor, 26% from glove and 31% from kit only add up to 73% efficiency, you need at minimum 80%

[calm gazelle]

yeah but imagine if i can fit in a slab ontop of ulti efficiency. it’ll be nuts

[drifting quest]

depends on team and use case for gilb

[cobalt cypress]

so
Does gil work with lae or nay-

[rare dew]

tell me sig is useless

[daring dove]

Sig effective uptime on Gilberta is only limited by her combo trigger. Which has a cooldown of 20 to 17 seconds depending on investment. You likely get less than 75% uptime real world in gameplay with P0, you will get 75% uptime with P5.

[rare dew]

cuz that's the conclusion I came up with

[drifting quest]

depends on team and use case

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/pSTQQFeRR68

[rare dew]

elaborate

[gritty olive]

anyhow idk whose the closest to yvonne in AK

pinkhair horn

[drifting quest]

p5 wulfgard, if you know what you're doing, she can be slotted in

speedrunning? she can be slotted in

the rest of the time/ if you dont know then gg

[calm gazelle]

pretty much my consensus

[high finch]

@gritty olive actually i though that er set could be better. cause you gain a lot of dmg modifiers from her signature and like losing some from the items won't make that much of a difference. guess it's correct

[next helm]

If you don't she is good too

[tranquil burrow]

What if I have p5 wulfgard but don't know what I'm doing

[gritty olive]

its just fucking ulsulah 😭 🙏

[drifting quest]

why

[cobalt cypress]

idk my idea was to somehow distribute ardelia and gilberta between last rite and surtr teams

[drifting quest]

why are they so big

[cobalt cypress]

soooo

i am NOT SURE

[drifting quest]

ive never noticed before

[next helm]

shuooner

[rare dew]

in what cases is sig needed

[rare zodiac]

Well but dmg% is additive with other dmg% sources, while dmg taken is a whole ass different multiplier

[drifting quest]

the sprite

[gritty olive]

her horns?

[drifting quest]

yes

[next helm]

You know who has large horns

[gritty olive]

[next helm]

A certain aoe guard 4 star

[gritty olive]

yvonne in the flesh

[tranquil burrow]

and they're assuming the fight has fodder mobs available to get max use out of her sig

[drifting quest]

whenever you can reliably proc it and arent diluting the buff

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/puzzle-arknights-estelle-meme-gif-23137518

[daring dove]

Gilbeta's sig will active sooner in battle than Ardelia's sig though, so it has its positives as well. Ardelia's requires an additional trigger & 100 SP cost. Gilberta's buff is effectively free just by having her on the team. Overall I think they're both very good weapons. In some instances you could argue Gilberta's being better.

[drifting quest]

humus

[frozen tide]

how much atk does a maxxed lr have

[gritty olive]

529?

lemme check rq

[calm gazelle]

100% agreed. gilb does not need to press her skill to maximize her effectiveness

[tranquil burrow]

Gilberta tail is very disappointing to look at

[gritty olive]

332 rather @frozen tide

[next helm]

Forgeborn is bad its dmg%

[rare dew]

can you explain

[gritty olive]

529 is for HSR LCs mb

[rare dew]

I'm trying to compare it to bp wep

[gritty olive]

shes a fox so yeah

also our first time seeing angelinas back

[calm gazelle]

its at least fluffy

[rare zodiac]

Unless it’s an unholy 210% dmg

[gritty olive]

unless you want suzuran levels of diabolical

[frozen tide]

i meant total atk

ty tho

[gritty olive]

332 + 500 ish so 832

[next helm]

Suzuran in endfield

Holy

[calm gazelle]

+20% on p5

[tranquil burrow]

bp weapon's main downside is needing SP to trigger buff (which isn't strong in the first place) whereas Gilberta buff is basically free (not that strong buff but it's kind of free so why not).

[next helm]

Cryo guy with glasses is gonna save yvonne

[gritty olive]

khrave has 540bbase atk so 872 @frozen tide

[frozen tide]

ok i hate arknight wording

like total toal

[gritty olive]

wym

[frozen tide]

total

[next helm]

Gnosis

[frozen tide]

after attribute and atk percent

[gritty olive]

yeah thats your "base" atk

[rare dew]

what's another option?

[frozen tide]

and gear and everythihng

[gritty olive]

show your statline

[rare zodiac]

Why bro so tanky?

[gritty olive]

STR gives 5 hp per poimt

and LR is a STR main

[frozen tide]

i understand its not base stat im just trynna know how close i am to the ceiling

which i assume is quite far

[drifting quest]

Gilberta has 4 weapon choices that are viable:
Sig, BP, Det, Stanza

Which she runs depends on which team she's in, the other team mates, what buffs they provide and whether or not she can actually provide the conditions to proc the weapon.

E.g. BP asks for you to use Battle Skill to apply Nature Infliction. In a lot of teams this is not feasible due to SP cost and the nature infliction.

Sig wants Combo Skill to apply lifted, which can be done in any team that causes arts reactions, including forced reactions (e.g. Yvonne Solidification on skill)

Stanza is generic as it only asks for Ult, but would not be usable with a future nature carry

Det wants the user to apply an Arts Burst, limiting it to multi Nature teams (cope Yvonne exclusively, for now)

[gritty olive]

you can use my sheet

[rare dew]

hmm

in avy team, do you think I'd get enough sp

[next helm]

What is a generic ult efficiency she wants

Like can I run hotwork gloves

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[daring dove]

Yeah, actually the more I think about it, except for ST boss encounters Gilberta's is a lot better. Since Ardelia's only applies to the enemy you trigger corrosion on. Gilberta's is just a free teamwide buff by using her combo trigger. Both have their uses but Gilberta's is far better for general content with multiple enemies & especially wave content. Ardelia's will be better for fighting bosses. But that's kind of their intended design anyway.

[gritty olive]

copy of base -> put last rite -> put khrav -> put ypur stuff

i didmt include max artifice gear here so just manually add the extra points i missed

[calm gazelle]

yeah pretty much, they’re both top tier supports though so they should both be highly desired

[sly nymph]

having to run this set on literally every unit is getting old

[calm gazelle]

esp w/ umbral being wave based

[rare zodiac]

On?

[next helm]

Gil with sig

[calm gazelle]

gilberta will find her real value there

[calm gazelle]

wdym? you can run frontier on akekuri

she also has an ult spam build

[drifting quest]

frontiers

[tranquil burrow]

Frontier haters coming out of the woodworks in 3 2 1

[drifting quest]

sadge

ALWAYS

[zinc maple]

who made this

[drifting quest]

THE AGENDA

its so bad

[rare zodiac]

Everyone spamming ult nowadays

[drifting quest]

as a set

[calm gazelle]

real af lmao

[zinc maple]

ult spam build is just too good

[gritty olive]

me

@frozen tide its p accurate

[drifting quest]

its not a shock ult spam builds are so popular when set bonuses all got gutted

[jovial grove]

i feel like all supports want just a pure ult-spam build

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

not all

a lot sure

[tranquil burrow]

it's funny because Ardelia ult is kind of worthless

[calm gazelle]

majority of speedrun clears run her on frontier, all my trim medals included. it’s good bc everyone else is already proccing xiranite set & that set doesnt stack

[rare zodiac]

Even dps want ult spam build

[jovial grove]

it feels like there is no value to building on supports anything but set that give buff or energy

and same with levels/talents
level up what gives buff

[tranquil burrow]

A certain someone loves Ardelia ult for the stagger but eh

[drifting quest]

speedrun clears when they dont use the set meant for long fights
???

speedrun clears use swordmancer ardelia and gilberta

whats your point here

[jovial grove]

"all" is not literally, there will be some that dont want but most character ye

[rare dew]

@drifting questbtw, for avy which gloves better the electro dmg or the combo dmg with correct 2nd attribute

[next helm]

Thats just 1.0 thing I think, new sets with better effects might move away from ult spam only

[jovial grove]

like eg. gilberta feels like i just want to give her full ult recharge

[drifting quest]

prob electric but i couldnt say for sure
whats the stats on both

[zinc maple]

true, unless there's a support that only focus on combo skill spam

[tranquil burrow]

Ult spam is a fundamental combat design issue though, it will require greater changes

[tight haven]

this was so sad to see

[zinc maple]

they gotta fix the ai too

[calm gazelle]

ye so its still useable as a set bc you overlap xiranite sets. its still providing dmg value over a set everyone else is using.

[tight haven]

i wish xiranite and frontiers remained with their beta values

[zinc maple]

some support basic attack doesn't even do anything

[tight haven]

release support sets are so... just okay

[drifting quest]

if you're speedrunning sure it's a usable set but if someone is asking for advice like this they are not speedrunning

[rare dew]

her main is will; 2nd is agility

[tranquil burrow]

Let them stagger at 1/5th the value

[drifting quest]

exactly why we dont recommend stuff like swordmancer gilb, slab laev, etc

[daring dove]

Everyone's just spamming ult gain on supports anyway who'd of thought

[jovial grove]

i mean ngl, scaling in this game is ass
like supports literally have no scaling
u just slap er and essence that boosts weapon passive

nothing else matters
talents? no change (except some that provide more support)
weapon level/2 upper stats? not worth it
character levels? what for

u only invest if u want to minmax dmg

[calm gazelle]

well no duh thats why I also advised an ult spam set??

[tight haven]

beta xiranite was actually worth running over pure ult spam

[calm gazelle]

just not xiranite

[rare zodiac]

I ult spam on every dps too unless it named LR

[next helm]

Some supports being 0 dps is fine

[gritty olive]

@rare zodiac since youre more knowledgrable than me in terms of rots what two other teams for laev do you want me to try tos im

[cobalt cypress]

so
To pull for gilberta sig or nay
Is it even worth it compared to bp weapon, given MASSIVE ult efficiency boost

[drifting quest]

i love when we give 0 nuance for a suggestion that is exclusively nuance and then act like its fine because we gave an alternative

[tight haven]

yeah even laev has one of her best sets being ult spam

[next helm]

if all other units - the main carry do 0 dps the game has a problem

[calm gazelle]

if youre endgame & know what youre doing frontiers still has value. if you just want to press buttons then obviously ult spam set

[gritty olive]

after that im gonna go potential calculation and end my day

[jovial grove]

this game fr feels like its just a beta and theyre figuring out how to do shit

[tranquil burrow]

purely based on vibes I get opposite vibes, in the sense that they know what they're doing, whether we like that design philosophy is another matter

[tight haven]

it is certainly better than her bp sig since it lets you run alternative sets as you will have enough ult efficiency from her sig plus xiranite gloves

[drifting quest]

bp is like the least usable gilb weapon

if you dont want to pull sig just stanza it up

[tight haven]

yeah you prefer stanza over it

lol

her bp sig is just the worst

[drifting quest]

stanza can be better than sig in some cases

[calm gazelle]

I spent all night last night giving nuance to the diff between ult spam & frontier usage. everyone else already explains ult spam usage so i didnt bother typing it again & again. you rode on the coat tail of frontier & ignored the other suggestion in favor of your dislike of frontier

[frigid vector]

elec my beloved

[cobalt cypress]

i am just debating on if i want to bother trying to build yvonne and thus pulling her sig

[tranquil burrow]

maybe SP poverty is just a 1.0 thing

[cobalt cypress]

Or I double down on last rite

[tight haven]

yvonne will appreciate stanza more

[zinc maple]

yea the only thing that matters are literally just weapon essences and gears 🥀

[drifting quest]

'because i did it in the past its fine for me to not do it in the present'

[tight haven]

if youre using gilb with her

[tranquil burrow]

actually the reason everyone's SP poor is because they had to balance Clannibal

[tight haven]

she benefits more from atk% buffs because she saturates heavily on dmg+

[drifting quest]

!!

[calm gazelle]

yeah scaling down the gear sets power so they can introduce better ones later so powercreep isnt insane off the rip

[next helm]

What is electric teams damage distribution?

[cobalt cypress]

yeah problem is
It is public knowledge that yvonne is NOT doing good

[drifting quest]

give us back cbt akekuri

[tight haven]

yeah no yvonne is poop from a butt

[cobalt cypress]

and my last rite is p1 with sig...

[tight haven]

sorry to say

[calm gazelle]

bc everyone else alr explaining the ult set. youre missing the point but thats fine

[jovial grove]

its that theres no progression on supports
it feels like just

• lv 60
• weapon with 0/0/3 essence
• relics
• potentials
• (some talents, rather exception tho)

done. . .

everything else feels like wasted resources

[frigid vector]

haven't done the calcs for it but it should be almost exclusively avy (especially if you running an ake comp), although perlica can work in niche scenarios if you build her for it

[drifting quest]

when has this ever been about explaining the ult set
my issue is recommending frontiers which is a terrible set in almost every use case bar speedrunning

[sly nymph]

you can't do less than lvl 60 bro 😭 that's gold gear

[rare zodiac]

Let’s just stick to the current team composition a try to optimize the rotation first

[torn raft]

U can still be 60 with golds

[next helm]

Is phys just the best team?

[torn raft]

Just need promotion

[jovial grove]

oh ye, forgot

[gritty olive]

go on

[jovial grove]

oups

[gritty olive]

ill test your stuff

[tranquil burrow]

Fire for return on investment lel

[dapper mason]

lets say we good at dodging. which has better buff/debuff , ardel with sign or antal with stanza/detonation ?

[drifting quest]

for non speedrun purposes, at highest investment, yes

[frigid vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1buFHzoEgu p5 oblivion agenda but it can get ridiculous if you go for these very niche scenarios

[sly nymph]

that's lvl 60/80 how are you gonna equip golds at lvl 59

[next helm]

Are we talking 90% 3 3 3 here?

[drifting quest]

antal

[torn raft]

Lvl 60 was said

Not 59 lol

[next helm]

I meant as how stat stick the characters are

[frigid vector]

3 3 3? skill mastery?

[torn raft]

.

[rare dew]

@drifting questfor avy which

[jovial grove]

i dropped 2 oblivions today
nothing to do witht hem

[next helm]

No sorry 90% avy dps 3% 3% 3% other characters

[frigid vector]

oh

[sly nymph]

he said "(or less if you don't die)" and edited it out
just say you're illiterate and go

[drifting quest]

id expect its pulser but again no calcs pure feelscraft

[next helm]

Like imo its bad game design if you literally don't want to press someones abilities

[frigid vector]

perlica would probably be a greater proportion of that, arclight if built full support may struggle to keep up, but I genuinely do not have the numbers since like I said I didn't calc it

[torn raft]

Lmao

[frigid vector]

but almost all of the burst comes from finisher in stagger + avy ult + bskill

[calm gazelle]

gives 2 gear set suggestions
complains about 1 set of the gear suggestions.
to each their own, if you want to find something to lash on ab just bc you dont like frontier being suggested go crazy. it doesnt make it any less viable as a set. its not as strong as it was but it still brings value when its better than xiranite since their ardelia will alr run it.

it’s still an upgrade over their xiranite set regardless

[frigid vector]

you'll do like 15% of a boss HP on the lead up, maybe 5-10% on setup, then rest is just bskill retrieval

[drifting quest]

suggesting a set that's just worse in all practical scenarios is simply just misinformation, is the issue

[calm gazelle]

thats the overall suggestion

??

[zinc maple]

why does forgeborn ult spam have more action count compared to forgeborn lae? wouldn't that make lae forgeborn ult lae have more dps?

[calm gazelle]

how can it be worse than a set that wont be active bc itll overlap with ardelias proc?

[drifting quest]

im not comparing it to xiranite

[calm gazelle]

its just a dead set having them on xiranite over frontier

[frigid vector]

tbh det unit is almost certainly going to be the better pick, unless you got p5 oblivion on niche elec speedruns

[drifting quest]

im comparing it to charge

[calm gazelle]

[jovial grove]

i have selector for det

[drifting quest]

given the inability to even proc xiranite

[sly nymph]

one more dupe (begging)

[drifting quest]

i had assumed this was obvious

[jovial grove]

also anybody uses virtuic chivaliars?

[jovial grove]

how are ppl gettting maxed out essence da fuq

[calm gazelle]

well their question was what to run over xiranite charge. 2 viable sets akekuri runs is frontier & charge, which i both suggested. & you just latched on hating on frontier lol. its still better than xiranite, sure not better than charge on general world content, but its still an upgrade over xiranite

thats the point

[tight haven]

yes

[gritty olive]

i inserted dashes as a way to gain extra SP

[tight haven]

i have found few use cases not to just use stanza

[zinc maple]

i don't think the dupe makes it any noticeable damage increase 😭

[next helm]

i think phys team is just great design everyone has their part and does decent to great dps

[drifting quest]

they werent asking about xiranite they're were asking about seals build

???

[gritty olive]

forgeborn ult spam uses like 3 more dashes

[sly nymph]

it's not for the damage increase bro 😭😭

[jovial grove]

whom and when

[calm gazelle]

well obviously as you said not everyone knows how the sets work if theyre asking so it’s only natural to explain it incase they dont know

[drifting quest]

you then suggested

1. a directly worse build
2. the exact build they were using

[cobalt cypress]

okay chat, so it will be on you
Gilberta sig - yay or nay

[tranquil burrow]

sig -> satisfies matching ocd

[tight haven]

gil and antal:

• gil was better with stanza
• antal was better with stanza and det unit

i dont know if it works on ardelia

tbh

[jovial grove]

i dont use antal and ahve gilberta sig

[tight haven]

gilbertas sig blows it out of the water

[calm gazelle]

only worse in general ez content which you can run practically anything.
its statistically better in trimming medals, & in games like these speed is majority of the endgame.

[tight haven]

go for it

wait

youre the yvonne player

[drifting quest]

i can assure you charge build is better for people trimming than frontiers

[grave flame]

Is last rite P3+Sig as good as Laev p0+Sig? In terms of DPS/ttk Vs bosses?

[drifting quest]

unless you are exactly speedrunning in which case charge build does nothing because it's all 1 rot

[tight haven]

okay so the thing with yvonne is that her bp sig, at p5, is ALMOST as good as her real sig at p0

[drifting quest]

which is an entirely different meta to just trimming

[tight haven]

i believe the dpr difference is like single-digit

[sly nymph]

does gilb need more than 60/80

[calm gazelle]

no

[tight haven]

you should m3 her ult

[next helm]

Not right now

[tight haven]

thats about it

sorry m1

[next helm]

but her masteries increase her debuff

[sly nymph]

do you need to 80/90 the sig for ult gen

[tight haven]

m2 and 3 are just damage buffs

[tight haven]

you dont have to with enough artificing

you can miss out on a pip of ult eff

[sly nymph]

ok cool lvl 1 sig

[tranquil burrow]

my disappointment is immeasurable

[tight haven]

no you still need probably lv60

[sly nymph]

is this with xiranite or full ult gen

[manic blade]

need 90/90

how can you not 90 90 her

[rare dew]

ake > perlica for avy?

[tranquil burrow]

gilberta 42% arts susceptibility incoming when rossi the heat vanguard comes in and applies 4 vuln stack too

[real palm]

I have no mats

[tranquil burrow]

same

[manic blade]

spend for p2 and you will

[calm gazelle]

we can always agree to disagree, majority of ppl I know who trimmed medals are running frontier over charge build. not discrediting the charge build as its just as viable. but so is frontier at the end of the road. you’re free to hate it, no one can change an opinion you hold strongly

[tranquil burrow]

idk how tf people are building 2 teams when just building gilb emptied me

[tight haven]

okay calcing it out you just need 196% ult eff to make it work

4 bskills 2 cskills

[jovial grove]

bc there is no exp in the game to do that

[zinc maple]

is this about lae charge build and and lae heat build? if so then im cooked for using all my wuling money to upg my heat build 🥀

[mossy plume]

fym it took 200 hours 🙏 🥀

[next helm]

So with artificing you can drop glove slot for art intensity? on gil

[manic blade]

on ake? link is too good you want it every cycle

[tight haven]

as long as you hit that amount youre golden

[tranquil burrow]

is that skincare in your pfp

[tight haven]

yes

[drifting quest]

people are clearing with blue gear, it doesn't change the fact that for the average player they will see a marked improvement swapping from one to the other
the worse the player the more the gap is noticed
especially for new players who are not going to understand how to align the terrible uptime on frontiers

[tight haven]

if you want

[drifting quest]

no, akekuri

[zinc maple]

just use your sanity point atp

[drifting quest]

laev builds are preference

[tight haven]

dude make thr gold ones

LOL

[drifting quest]

technically charge builds were sheeting slightly ahead recently but it all comes down to content fought in the end

[manic blade]

laev build like you can just hold ur enhanced skill for after ult and it's technically one cycle

[zinc maple]

oh alr then,

[zinc maple]

true, the scaling on charge build is insane

especially since most of lae damage is from her basic attack

[next helm]

Me small brain, me like big enhanced skill inside gilberta ult on multiple enemies

[zinc maple]

i upgraded my lae's basic attack skill to almost max, but her ult just always deals far more damage

[calm gazelle]

moreso if you have her p5

[dapper mason]

frontier prob only for rhodagn trim

[manic blade]

i mean multi target + p5 + animation cancels you can use an enhanced skill and get one before ult endds

[drifting quest]

frontiers is speedrun tech because its speedrun

even normal rhodagn trim can go for charge build

because of prestacked ult

[calm gazelle]

yeah skill issue will always be the difference between an easier plug & play set that requires minimal mental upkeep

[mossy plume]

Nah, I use sanity to farm the gold and the purples. I use the Manufacturing to farm the blues for low level characters.

[dapper mason]

well i see someone finish rhodagn with 1 lae ult rotation

[drifting quest]

minimal mental upkeep
is pushing for the set that requires more mental upkeep(?)

easier plug and play is only so far as gatekeeping on artificing for optimal setup, 0 artificing it still has a notable increase over frontiers

[frigid vector]

no you always run perlica

but you can sometimes flex arclight with ake depending on your set-up

[calm gazelle]

can do the same on marble aggey too

[frigid vector]

like ake with link on ult making avy battleskill shred

e.g. https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1B96cBiE4p

[drifting quest]

where is avywenna

[next helm]

Lin is a avywenna enthusiast

[frigid vector]

its just

the only team I had the resources to build

give me more mats please

[drifting quest]

electric just looks so fun

but so does phys

[frigid vector]

it IS

[drifting quest]

[frigid vector]

I just fuck with things that need positioning

adds another layer to optimisation

I really enjoyed phys in cbt2

was what I played the most

so wanted to try something diff

so many developments on phys now though 😔

[next helm]

Your Yixuan video still makes my brain hurt

[frigid vector]

which one I have like 10 at this point

[next helm]

One of the earlier ones with the insane stun window

[frigid vector]

yixuan techs are just

[drifting quest]

i cant wait to build phys right as it changes again

[calm gazelle]

no ones counter advising not to run charge set esp since its easier for most to maximize usage. don’t get why youre hung on that. my point is frontier can also be ran & be viable if they’re tired of only using charge as it does see viable usage in fast clears. which is realistically the only thing to do rn until umbral.

[next helm]

Decided at that point the game is not for me

[real palm]

yeah, I regret no going elec

[calm gazelle]

we’re just running in circles at this rate

[next helm]

Some individuals are just bad

[rare dew]

so full team is avy, arc, perlica, gilb

[zinc maple]

for some characters like p5 wulfgard charge build prob better since he can just reset his combat skill everytime he use his ult

[frigid vector]

ya, with ake flexing arc depending on the fight/gear investment

[tranquil burrow]

No way, ZZZ gameplay is nothing like degenerates might have you believe

[rare dew]

I have pot4 arc

so..

[tranquil burrow]

It can be fun and flashy

[calm gazelle]

their entire complaint is that they believe they can only run charge build on akekuri when thats not the case, shes still got a frontiers build that can be used. its just that simple

[heavy fossil]

should I be spending the dupe currency on crowns or pulls?

[midnight stirrup]

You only level ult on Akehuri right

for SP

[calm gazelle]

100% wulfgard is just a heat infliction bot so ye thats true but we were on akekuri

[frigid vector]

pretty much (on elec at least, heat may want bskill depending on encounter)

[rare dew]

do you think the team has enough sp for gilb ot use bp weapon

[zinc maple]

oh alr

[calm gazelle]

hell 90% of the cast that isnt ardelia runs ult spam

[next helm]

Wulfgard should do 25-30% of team dps imo

[drifting quest]

if we're fine with builds that can work even if directly worse than this channel has no purpose

[cobalt cypress]

okay chat so results
20 pulls left to guarantee gilb sig, but I got oblivion and wedge, so yvonne's sig question has largely been solved for now-

:wheeze

[drifting quest]

like sure go for it i cant stop you atp

but there's no reason to ever optimize under that logic

[tranquil burrow]

run him as controlled operator and spam his ebs

[zinc maple]

kinda if you build him properly

[drifting quest]

you dont need gear to clear so use any gear

[frigid vector]

I was thinking about it but honestly

on elec just use stanza

[rare dew]

I can max pot bp weapon tho

[calm gazelle]

if we’re in a channel optimizing for fast clears then thats weird you think the gear used for the fastest clears isnt viable.

[drifting quest]

the channel is for optimizing in general, not exclusively speedruns
not every boss can be speedran like rhodagn and once you stop speedrunning rhodagn frontiers falls off a cliff

i dont follow your point

[frigid vector]

tbh it's not even about having the sp for it or not but

ideally you'll have 4 elec stacks built

[calm gazelle]

you always kept losing my point to hang onto frontier hate

[next helm]

Theorycrafting in general doesn't have to be about best/fastest/highest you can craft alesh maincarry for all you care

[frigid vector]

and then trigger with gilb's ult

so you can get max corrosion

you do have SP in burst if you focus on setup

[rare dew]

you get the buff with bp weapon that way too no?

[frigid vector]

it's just finding a place to use her bskill I guess

was it not battle skill only?

or am I misremembering

[rare dew]

no

[frigid vector]

let's see

[rare dew]

nature infl

[next helm]

skill

[rare dew]

oh

nvm

[frigid vector]

ye...

if it was any nature infliction it'd work perfectly

[rare dew]

ok then I can see why it'd be bad

xd

[frigid vector]

but since it's bskill you kind of have to use it

if it had idk

30s+ buff duration or something

[tranquil burrow]

30s %dmg taken

[frigid vector]

maybe there'd be a way to make use of it but

you just can't really build elec stacks back up fast enough at 15s only

[rare dew]

yeah I can see that

[drifting quest]

my point was always originally you gave no actual explanation of the nuance
you then derailed it into generic frontier vs charge build

???

[calm gazelle]

someone complains ab only using charge set for akekuri
suggest frontier as another set that can be used & has real success
complains ab a valid suggestion bc its less optimal in skill issue players.

[rare dew]

I mean you can also just battle skill with 4 stacks

[frigid vector]

tbh ardelia sig is 25s dmg taken

[drifting quest]

you cant be genuine lmao

[rare dew]

avy main damage is retracting the spears no?

[frigid vector]

ya

[midnight stirrup]

@drifting quest do I put xaihi on xiranite set if akehuri uses the yellow set or vice versa

[frigid vector]

its all battleskill (and a bit ult/finisher)

[vagrant sparrow]

so now that my laev essence is maxed out im not really feeling like farming another one what would be something else i could farm?

[rare dew]

with pot2 avy should be easy enough no?

[calm gazelle]

you realize they just wondered if theres any other set other than charge set for akekuri & me suggesting frontier as another set isnt inherently wrong as its a set that actually does have success in content that matters?

[drifting quest]

i need to do the math but akekuri cant even proc xiranite

[midnight stirrup]

can perlica proc it

[calm gazelle]

but hey to each their own

[frigid vector]

I don't follow, if you want the 15s buff to be active you need to use gilb's battle skill for nature

[drifting quest]

at what point did they ask for an alternative
they simply complained it was common and on every unit

[frigid vector]

is the implication here that it's just used before her ult(?)

[tranquil burrow]

I've been shilling Ardelia this entire time

[frigid vector]

might be a bit difficult to align things

[tranquil burrow]

and Clannibal

These two are my agenda sells

[drifting quest]

you then pushed an alternative thats worse outside of small use cases and then didnt just accept and say 'my bad'

[rare dew]

what I mean is that you can get the spears to last long enough for 4 stacks electro + gilb skill

[drifting quest]

would have been that easy

[frigid vector]

well, you do get the spears to last long enough for 4 electro stacks + gilb ultimate

I'll need to check back on rotations to see if there's SP that'd allow you to skill before her ult

[calm gazelle]

they posted the pic w/ akekuri so its safe to assume they meant on the character they posted the pic on. if its for all characters general use theres no argument there that charge is the most viable set bc everyone loves to spam ult

[rare dew]

pot2 avy increases the amount of time the spears stay

by 20sec

[frigid vector]

yes

[calm gazelle]

if what they meant was every char then yeah i’ll concede my point frontier doesnt work on everyone.

[frigid vector]

that doesn't matter for battle skill/ultimate distinction though

[calm gazelle]

but it does work on kuri

[drifting quest]

by all means please direct me to the point where they ever asked for set alternatives and were not simply complaining they were sick of the set

[frigid vector]

the whole rotation is you slowly building up spears and slowly building up elec stacks to 4

[drifting quest]

you assumed they wanted alternatives

[frigid vector]

this more or less aligns with the time that enemies get staggered

when you then pump all the buffs and burst

[drifting quest]

and then yet again my issue is that you did not provide appropriate nuance in the suggestion

[rare dew]

what would be the problem for using 1sp for gilb skill before ult ?

[calm gazelle]

they’re sick of a set. so suggesting a different viable set all of a sudden is hell on earth for u eh?

[drifting quest]

they artificed the set and you suggest they scrap it for a worse one

[frigid vector]

that's what I'm saying, you could do that, but I'd just need to check back on footage to see if I could afford the SP to do it

[drifting quest]

but im the villain here???

[calm gazelle]

no one said they scrap it

[frigid vector]

as opposed to having that going to perlica bskill for arts burst to trigger det unit

[calm gazelle]

who said to scrap it

[drifting quest]

because i want you to do due dilligence in providing information on niche set cases?

[frigid vector]

when building the final stack

[calm gazelle]

they make the choice after hearing a suggestion

like what

[frigid vector]

but it could very well work

[drifting quest]

like i get it

you dont want to say my bad

[calm gazelle]

just putting words in my mouth at this point lmao

[frigid vector]

if the SP aligns then it's a way to make use of opus

[drifting quest]

do as you please

i fall for bait too often and this is one such case

[calm gazelle]

?

[rare dew]

I'm trying to find an use for it tbh

XD

[calm gazelle]

youre so full of yourself. Ive alr made a point that we disagree & thats fine. but you cant even agree to a disagreement bc you just want to feel like you won on a theoretical.

[rare dew]

well an use for any of the bp weapons

[sterile patrol]

wtf lin is pink

[drifting quest]

might as well hold onto the bp box

might be good in future

[frigid vector]

I mean if you can p5 it, surely there's a rotation that you can use to work around it

[gritty olive]

OK UPDATE

[frigid vector]

I had yvonne icon so I was like

hm I do have a leftover boost from nitro so

[drifting quest]

ok it wasnt just me

[frigid vector]

let me make my name pretty

[drifting quest]

i thought i was being delusional

[gritty olive]

lin was always pink

[frigid vector]

no I was green

I turned pink today

[drifting quest]

i didnt want to say anything in case i looked schizo

[rare dew]

I can save the things for future bp weapons too

since I have the paid bp

[gritty olive]

maybe on the magenta er side

[calm gazelle]

no ones calling you a villain but youre free to victim blame yourself. We both have differing opinions & thats fine.

[drifting quest]

rat

[rare dew]

and plan to buy it everytime

[hardy skiff]

I may have pulled a few more copies of Gilberta than necessary, and I may or may not have her P4.

Is anyone here familiar with ultimates and energies, and could tell me of any significant or interesting breakpoints that she unlocks with that -15% ult cost?

[next helm]

rat

wife

[frigid vector]

personally I haven't actually claimed any of the boxes yet, just waiting to see what the future holds

[next helm]

Has one of the best music themes btw

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lin-yuhsia-arknights-orb-pondering-gif-4542526462622598370

[rare dew]

I haven't claimed any at all as well

xd

6* char included

[frigid vector]

at this point

[gritty olive]

oh you

[frigid vector]

I'm legit ready to treat the boxes as cosmetic pick

[gritty olive]

i thought lin the arknights operator

[frigid vector]

mi fu comes out and her BP weapon looks banger?

yeah fuck it we ball

[rare dew]

what do you think she'll be

[gritty olive]

[frigid vector]

elec

[gritty olive]

i wonder who is our xiangling here

[frigid vector]

or some kind of way that supports elec

cause no way they'll have her and fangyi be in different teams

[rare dew]

isn't the wuling char

electro too

[drifting quest]

pretending we get to see her weapon and she wont be a gauntlet brawler

[frigid vector]

ye that's what I'm betting on

[midnight stirrup]

How shuo dropped it and this guy still doubles down

Wild

[frigid vector]

[next helm]

drama

[sterile patrol]

[next helm]

deserves bean gif

[drifting quest]

as they say
bait used to be believable

[rare dew]

Ig we'll see later

[midnight stirrup]

smh smh

[next helm]

I can't take it anymore I try x xl is better

[rare dew]

hoping my gilb pull won't be useless without surtr

[drifting quest]

xbdit

[next helm]

https://tenor.com/view/bean-dusk-bean-nian-gif-26189974

[calm gazelle]

cant understand the nuance of suggesting a different viable set piece for kuri when someones tired of running the same charge set on her

[midnight stirrup]

How far weve come

[drifting quest]

real players remember pike xiangling being the only viable xiangling build

[rare dew]

@frigid vectorwhat team do you use even

[sterile patrol]

crescent pike cope was peak

[next helm]

As a niche genshin gamer

Plunge yae has beaten many things for me

But powercreep

[frigid vector]

perlica/avy/gilb/arc OR ake

[midnight stirrup]

didnt zyox clear last stygian with yoimiya

[drifting quest]

polearm the only viable way to play phys, xiangling the only polearm

[rare dew]

nd you didn't claim deto unit?

[drifting quest]

!!

[calm gazelle]

simps will simp

[frigid vector]

I do have det unit

[gritty olive]

the bean extends their greetings

[frigid vector]

but I run that on perlica

[calm gazelle]

.tangtang

[tranquil burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468993592369352764/TangtangLeak.jpg?ex=69860a65&is=6984b8e5&hm=7c816cf47d0101a3ed8ecb738238d99a8305443de743054c599138f96032c517

[rare dew]

from pulls?

[next helm]

I want a bean

[frigid vector]

I claimed det unit and lucksacked JET

[drifting quest]

man i want to buy them

but they're never reasonably priced

[midnight stirrup]

?

[gritty olive]

i bought mine for like 1500 php

[frigid vector]

gilb is on stanza or her sig

[gritty olive]

which was like 30 usd

[rare dew]

thought you didn't use any boxes 😔 😔

[frigid vector]

oh

[next helm]

I learned that Xilonen plunge does 70k dps

[frigid vector]

the BP boxes I meant...

[rare dew]

ah

[drifting quest]

its some $150 if i wanted to buy ONE

and im not even in the US

[midnight stirrup]

i got r3 gilb from bp box, just to pull her sig anyway

L O L

[rare dew]

we are not the same 😔

[drifting quest]

there's no tariff

[sterile patrol]

wtf

[gritty olive]

why are we getting sidetracked

[frigid vector]

I used both of the level boxes sorry bro

[tranquil burrow]

i wasted one of mine on valiant

[drifting quest]

i wanted to buy one of the bundles a while back too

similar price

[midnight stirrup]

what bundle

[drifting quest]

yostar is not real with the shipping prices

[rare stratus]

sooo I was searching for info on breach, prydwen/guoba says it's 24% at 4 stacks, but endfield wiki.gg says it's 20% for 4 stacks, in the end do we have info on which is more certain to calculate Breach?

[drifting quest]

they do seasonal bundles where you get a bunch of random merch for cheaper than buying individually

[sterile patrol]

i can vouch for the guoba info

[gritty olive]

anyways have we seen an arknights endfield xiangling yet

[real palm]

so what is Gil's best team? Elec to help with grouping for spears? I'm not really feelling her in phys team

[rare stratus]

LMAO noted

[tranquil burrow]

akekuri if rossi vanguard agenda dies

[sterile patrol]

it used to be 20% but they buffed it from cbt2

[gritty olive]

well i guess its too early since wasnt xiangling only realized like after some tim ein the game

[rare dew]

I mean bp boxes work for future bp weapons no?

[frigid vector]

did BJ not update the doc

[tranquil burrow]

no

[rare dew]

so it's good to keep as well

[frigid vector]

cause shimo was still listing it as 20

[tranquil burrow]

only the dupe mats work

boxes don't

[sterile patrol]

dunno

[frigid vector]

https://shimo.im/docs/erAdM7JrNxtZy53G

[safe sand]

wow opus seems really bad wtf

[rare stratus]

Thx!

[sterile patrol]

i had to find the stuff without a doc

[gritty olive]

this isnt where i shopped but like, close enough to what i bought ig

[tranquil burrow]

I click the link and I'm blasted with this scary thing

[midnight stirrup]

Oh true

[drifting quest]

like man

[sterile patrol]

[midnight stirrup]

Xaihi

[sterile patrol]

gbp...

[midnight stirrup]

Ardelia is Bennett

[drifting quest]

this is giga cheap compared to usual too

[drifting quest]

br*tain

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

-12

not bad

[gritty olive]

but the forgeborn one

i still havent included that finishers give 100 sp = no ardelia skill

[drifting quest]

some fights you never get a finisher anyway

depends how rotations line up

[gritty olive]

i assumed 150 toughness enemy with 10 second window

[dense wraith]

for gilbertas p2 is her ult 168% arts damage taken? Compared to 42%? Does anyone know how its calculated assuming max stacks

[drifting quest]

when im in a confuse as many people as possible competition and my opponent is gilberta p2 wording

[frigid vector]

but ye it's 24

[drifting quest]

its not that good

[gritty olive]

choices choices

[next helm]

That can't be real

28?

[gritty olive]

ikr

maybe low quality stuff, but its still them

[tranquil burrow]

ok yeah I just read it and it's entirely justified blaming HG for this

[drifting quest]

gettem chen

[ocean hawk]

u can report it to the support just like @high finch reporting about the lifeng p1 stacks wording

[full crown]

I've seen very little discussions or guide videos about Arclight, and tons of CC's using like, Akekuri instead even in Electric teams. Is Arclight just underpowered and Akekuri better, or is it just the usual thing of CC's building for damage per screenshot and Arclight is just fine in Avy teams? I think I see like, 1-2 guide videos for her tops, there are more Antal videos, lol.

[ocean hawk]

this one

[drifting quest]

its been reported a bunch

[ocean hawk]

ah

[drifting quest]

akekuri is better for speedrun stuff thanks to link

arclight is good

[ocean hawk]

and they didnt give any confirmation yet ?

[drifting quest]

enough

[ocean hawk]

or the response is the same as Bellizar received ?

[drifting quest]

idk ive never seen a response message

[dense wraith]

Ohhh so how is it actually?

[summer flower]

Did they changed behavior or wording?

Or no change yet

[ocean hawk]

no change yet iirc

[full crown]

Okay, so it is just damage per screenshot stuff because of Link like I figured, but still, why does Arclight seem to get so little mention by the playerbase or any guides or videos or anything? Is her kit just really that simple that there isn't anythign to really delve into?

[drifting quest]

just kinda meh kit, nothing special or insane yeah

[summer flower]

They still doing da pan videos i assume

Or avyenna just outpreforms to point of no interest

[frigid vector]

if anything I'd say arclight is the standard pick

[drifting quest]

fwiw if i build electric id be building arclight

at the very least

[frigid vector]

akekuri is useful mostly because right now you can start with max ult gauge and 1 shot bosses depending on the boss/investment level

[full crown]

Gotcha, so maybe at some point there might be a different team where Arclight has more nuance and optimizations to be worth discussing, but she's atm pretty straightforward so it's not really an intersting topic I guess?

[frigid vector]

and she's better for that than arclight

[tight haven]

arclight is very insular is why

she really only works in elec teams

[full crown]

True, Akekuri is used on tons of teams

[tight haven]

akekuri just... works... everywhere

[drifting quest]

i kinda want to pull more for arclight/avy pots but like saving for guarantee

[frigid vector]

the longer the fight is, the better arclight should perform in theory

[tight haven]

same with poggies

he really only works in phys teams. sort of

sooooort of

[full crown]

I would love to get more of each, but I seem to get mostly Wulf lately, and I don't even have Laev or anywhere else I want to really use him.

[tight haven]

you can run gil + pog as a funny little sp gen + debuffing engine

[full crown]

True, there aren't really any pog specific guides, he's mostly just made mention of in passing when peopel do phys content guides etc.

[tight haven]

for your arts dps of choice

ofc akekuri just runs circles around him for laev

[ocean hawk]

can someone pray for me so I can get my last dupe of dapan, even on today gilb banner, I receive all other 5 star and no dapan

[hardy skiff]

How long are typically rotations, and how many skill casts do they usually have?

[gritty olive]

i alr have like p8

[gritty olive]

my sim rotations have it at sub one min

[ocean hawk]

GIVE ONE TO ME, my da pan already pot 4 for a week

[gritty olive]

cuz its surtr

[tranquil burrow]

I think it’s more so because the combat design in this game heavily overvalues vanguards compared to other roles (besides strikers obv)

[hardy skiff]

I'm trying to fogure out how much ultimate gain does Gilberta need usually, so I need some ideas.

Thank you!

[gritty olive]

49.90 seconds topleft

[hardy skiff]

7 skills / 50 seconds

With a vanguard, without maybe 5 skills I suppose

[tranquil burrow]

Sheets on mobile

People will be scrambling to pull limited vanguards in this one like they do “universal” supports in hoyo gacha

[gritty olive]

who wouldnt

[next helm]

This is not hoyo tho, it could be way different

[drifting quest]

answer me

[gritty olive]

i have my saileach, ines, and vulpis at m9

[next helm]

Hello

[drifting quest]

what is it that contingency contract needs

[full crown]

I'm curious what will actually be better long term, if they will lean into "team specific" locked down supports that actually have longevity, whereas general supports will just be used as fillers and quickly replaced by more team specific ones.

[gritty olive]

-90% atk for 30 seconds after skill usage
10 points of risk

[tranquil burrow]

Depends on how fast they want us to cycle teams

[gritty olive]

its still early holy

but i get the skepticism due to HSR

[tranquil burrow]

Also, they really need to ramp up progression mat income if they want us building more than one team a year

[gritty olive]

just chill

they might add restocks on limited items per new patch

[full crown]

A lot of these companies crib off each other's notes, and with the direction Hoyo games and Wuwa are going I wouldn't be shocked to see them want us to cycle really fast and have characters released as "squads" intende to work together. I REALLY hope they don't, I enjoy a more diverse and interesting form of team building instead of just plopping in pre-made teams though.

[gritty olive]

we still dont know

[gritty olive]

more like, you dont pull for characters, you pull for teams type of shit?

[next helm]

There is so much hoyo copying going on

I hope they keep to their own ideas more

[full crown]

Yeah, the way Hoyo does it these days, I really hope we don't do that, kills interesting team building Imo

[ocean hawk]

lets hope that

[tranquil burrow]

I mean this game has REALLY restrictive synergies

[gritty olive]

[next helm]

Like even their community website

[drifting quest]

pink woman jumpscare

[gritty olive]

[ocean hawk]

coz in companies, if it works, why change it

[next helm]

is a complete copy

[gritty olive]

this is HG first time doing 3d gacha

so they might need to go for the proven and tested routes

[tranquil burrow]

Idk I still see their own DNA in game design more than Hoyo.

[gritty olive]

lets be positive

[tranquil burrow]

Nah

[next helm]

Its kinda funny

[tranquil burrow]

Rossi heat vanguard or game eos

[next helm]

As if hoyo shared the template

[rare dew]

When do we get this in ake

[gritty olive]

do it your own

[full crown]

The bland main story appealing to more and the less adventurous character designs is a bit worrisome, but AK1 I guess waited until close to Y2 to really dig into that stuff as well, so I guess we'll ahve to wait and see how much more risk averse they become with a more costly to make game.

[gritty olive]

i plan to do this later if i have the chance

[tranquil burrow]

Idk bro there’s only so many ways you can make a feed UI

[next helm]

Yes but this is

exact copy

[ocean hawk]

well, developing a different one while 1 style already works well is wasting money

[rare dew]

Wat

[ocean hawk]

again its "companies" we talked about

[next helm]

Even the buttons in the right panel are the same

[tranquil burrow]

There’s no excuse for the writing. It’s beyond garbage. But imo the level design in this game makes exploration 100x more fun than its contemporaries.

So it has its pros

Combat is very different too, whether that clicks with you is a different matter

[full crown]

Yeah, the MSQ wasn't terrible, just forgettable, the Gilberta story quest though, that's one of the worst piece of gatcha writing I've ever seen.

[drifting quest]

Oh it's still up so should be safe to talk about
Tangtang and Mi Fu weapon types officially confirmed as ||Pistols and Greatsword||
So that's something to track

Then M3 ||confirmed as Mon3tr||

Nothing we didnt already know but worth tracking I guess

[full crown]

But yeah, really enjoy the combat, the exploration that doesn't have to have tons of crazy movement abilities,a nd the factory gameplay, so I hope they can clean up the writing.

[ocean hawk]

eh ?

is it officially

[fringe scroll]

i got gilberta in my first free 10 pull, i only have like 6k arsenal tickets, is pulling her weapon a big deal?

[ocean hawk]

or from the silhouette

[tranquil burrow]

Tangtang at least uses them in game during combat

[full crown]

I really hope she never uses the sword in combat, I was hopign she was arts so she can focus on those cool gauntlets instead.

[ocean hawk]

for tang tang yeah, for mi fu

[drifting quest]

Via the art gallery on the official website yeah
in the case for weapons it was art by cenm0 who despite now not being employed by hypergryph did used to be
'employed' - they were a freelancer who did some ak splash arts

[rare dew]

where did you get the m3 info

[drifting quest]

see above

[full crown]

Maybe she'll be like laev with her scythe, and go all Dehya and bust out the gauntlets for her ult and use them for an extended period, if she barely uses them that's such a tragedy.

[ocean hawk]

I hope it revealed in game at some point or revealed officially, coz I saw some people already banned in the reddit (official) bcoz of talking about the next character weapon and role

[ocean hawk]

its safe then

[tranquil burrow]

1.1 chars were officially revealed though

1.2 even since they revealed one too many for a single patch

[ocean hawk]

so the argument of the ban is because silhouette isnt a reveal

[drifting quest]

said art

[ocean hawk]

thats why I ask if it officially revealed

or

smth etc

[ocean hawk]

atleast if this counted as leak, the one HG blame will be the artist itself

since cenm0 is not employed at HG anymore

[drifting quest]

i mean its on HG's own site

[ocean hawk]

ah then its safe

[drifting quest]

they uploaded it

https://endfield.gryphline.com/special/over-the-frontier

[ocean hawk]

so only for those two yet

[drifting quest]

Dye - 10 for M3
Heating Up - 21 for weapons

[tranquil burrow]

Tangtang and Mifu not having any synergy would be a tragedy

[trim cipher]

Sif my pog is using fortmaker, should I be running 3x pulser and 1 xiranite hands?

[full crown]

It's such a hard thing to balance though, I love characters who are connected in story having synergy, but I also hate premade teams. Finding a balance for that is rough.

[ocean hawk]

yeah

[tranquil burrow]

They already restrict team building so much may as well make it lore accurate

[full crown]

Is it pretty much confirmed that Fort is better for him than Thermite now? Or just for specific setups?

[ocean hawk]

here

@full crown

and refer to the sheet

on pins

if im not wrong, it needs p1+ for thermite to be better than p5 fortmaker ?, my memory might be wrong

the point is at some pot, thermite is better than p5 fort iirc

or u can use this calculation

the range is between 1% better and 4% worse

[full crown]

Sounds like it's close enough that I'm not going to waste limited resources on Fort when it's 1 and my Thermite is 80, unless I have built someone else that can take over and use the Thermite well so it's not a waste.

[ocean hawk]

yeah

but im planning to max out both

so I dont need to swap thermite between pog and akekuri

[shrewd falcon]

can anybody with more experience tell me why this is probably a terrible idea?

where we run laev with perlica and gilberta to consume each others afflictions, so that we can reapply heat with wulf combo thats been rest by ult

[full crown]

I still ahven't even built a 2nd team yet, I still have to finish up building Lifeng after swapping out Ardelia for him. And damn, man, imo Lifeng absolutely mogs Ardelia in a Endmin/Pog/Chen phys team and it's not even close, even when he was barely built the team was already massively outperforming my P1 Ardelia version.

[primal fulcrum]

Is there an ult gain efficiency breakpoint for pog? Like an optimal amount to guarantee one more Pog ult vs going for more arts intensity

[ocean hawk]

iirc iana said to someone that asked if 150% is enough is either 1 more artficing on ult gain, or 1 more bar on the fortmaker ult gain essence

[dusk zenith]

if i only have a p0 fortmaker is it better to just pick thermite from the box and use it on pog

[drifting quest]

thermite is better in general

even p5 fort

[terse furnace]

Do you guys think Exemplar P0 or Thermite P1 is more impactful for Physical comp?

I do have the box from the gilb sig banner

[drifting quest]

thermite

[dusk zenith]

is it possible to reach the breakpoint with just artificing

[drifting quest]

dapan set to get replaced for one
thermite buffs everyone for two

[fleet birch]

Not sure if this counts as theorycrafting, but would I be correct to believe that, to max out the pull value of the pool-limited tickets, you should wait for the 7 days to get all the limited tickets, spend them all before use your normal pulling stuff? My rationale is that since these tickets doesn't count towards the 120 pity that is pool-specific and does not carry over to the next pool, you should try your luck with those first before using your other universal pulling materials.

[drifting quest]

full breakpoint no
reduced one yes

[dense wraith]

Yes

[terse furnace]

Is there even a second person to run the second Thermite on?

[drifting quest]

pog runs the thermite

[civic wolf]

is Lightning team screwd without arclight

[drifting quest]

oh you said p1

p0 exemp better than p1 therm prob but the pick is holding the box

[fleet birch]

It really is a awkward system then. I think most people, me included would be more inclinded to pull as soon as the banner drops. This ticket system essentially incentives some people to wait on their pull, subsequently potentially lowering their desire to pull as time goes on. It's almost anti-hype in a sense.

[summer flower]

Dunno, you can slap perclica+avyenna with anything

It works as Duo fine

[civic wolf]

i have a weird dilemma where i dont have Arclight even after 120 pulls on lava lmao

[dusk zenith]

is this with the arts intensity set or xira

[summer flower]

Check perlica + avyenna

Overworld jus two of them, then you get another pair and do two of them

Them you combine them in team

Endmin+chen works

[terse furnace]

I still havve my lvl 45 box, which I'm debating between JET, Exemplar, and Detonation Unit

[drifting quest]

xira bonekrusha double power bank

[summer flower]

Idea is to have like low SP cost pair and high SP use pair

[drifting quest]

dont use it till you need to simply said

[lost heart]

Arclight will be the 5th five star unit you pull starting now

[summer flower]

One is carry side, other is there for filling utility

[dense wraith]

There’s a lot of weird decisions in this game. But maybe they think this is some sort of weird incentive for players to play more

[summer flower]

People are Brian storming rotations etc

But i havent seen parrarel roatations yet

[terse furnace]

Hm...I guess it depends on how much I want to enhance a specific comp. My biggest concern with getting JET for Avy is that she has the highest chance of getting powercrept as a DPS

[summer flower]

Other than me doing them

[terse furnace]

almost there...

[dusk zenith]

can i have the exact pieces or is this just from the pins

[drifting quest]

pins

[dusk zenith]

ok

[terse furnace]

Shuo, what are your opinions on Chiv Virtues?

It do be an atk% buff

[drifting quest]

hard to proc

[daring dove]

Did they just force out an emergency patch?

[drifting quest]

good if you can

did they

i didnt get booted

[daring dove]

I did an got a 50 meg update

[terse furnace]

Does it have to heal? Or does "provides Hp treatment" count towards the attempt at healing?

[drifting quest]

i think it can proc even if you dont actually gain hp

but i dont own a chiv

cant test

[terse furnace]

I got one from the Gilb banner earlier today, so I'll test it now

[summer flower]

Restore HP would be it Has to heal wording

Provide is not conclusive like that

[terse furnace]

I think it procced? Far right.

[drifting quest]

you had it on xaihi right

[terse furnace]

Yes

[drifting quest]

should proc then yeah

xaihi is the only one it works on right now

[terse furnace]

Then shouldn't this be higher prio than Detonation unit for her respective comps?

[drifting quest]

hence the question

det always works

is the logic

but also probably yes

[daring dove]

Think I'mma have to start giving this thing to most of my casters getting so many of it.

[drifting quest]

stanzage

[full crown]

It's pretty decent on Gilberta, Perlica and Xaihi iirc

ardelia too, but you should have her sig

[terse furnace]

Is it okay to ping Iana? His name says "ON HOLIDAY" so I'm just wondering

[sly nymph]

do i just level combo/ult

[fleet birch]

I guess it does make sense in terms of player retention rate, and daily activity, similiar to all the daily and weekly.

[drifting quest]

they havent minded yet but might be more polite to wait until you see them in chat

[drifting quest]

just ult

[daring dove]

Do I use this one anyone or does it not work well for any character rn?

[terse furnace]

Just checking cuz Det Unit is higher than Chiv on his sheets

[terse furnace]

Xaihi

[sly nymph]

and wulfgard nothing except gold gear?

[full crown]

I belive it's one of Xaihi's best outside of Detonation.

[sly nymph]

this team is so budget

wadafak

[drifting quest]

it'll come down to what is diluted less i guess

[terse furnace]

I don't know the calculations, but from my understanding atk% is a premium buffing stat, so Chiv should theoretically be better than Det

But idk what the math is so

[drifting quest]

akekuri + thermite cutter is a decent chunk of attack

[terse furnace]

Xaihi does have better uptime on Chiv boost than Det boost though

Since Det boost is after 2 FS

[daring dove]

I have that as well but it's only P0 so I'm guessing tock the Chiva on her?

[terse furnace]

@daring dove

[terse furnace]

Also this

[drifting quest]

should proc in 1 if its last rite

[daring dove]

Yeah just use Chiv then.

[drifting quest]

i think ooo is lr > xaihi for stacks

or well

[broken shale]

how about perlica? stanza or det unit?

[terse furnace]

Xaihi needs to proc Arts Burst to apply Det

[drifting quest]

i get what you meant

chiv procs one earlier

[terse furnace]

So you'd still need 2 FS

[daring dove]

I need to build my LR team soon, I have all the pieces to make an incredibly strong one

[drifting quest]

but also both are proc'd for the the burstwindow

if anything chiv might expire before you burst

[daring dove]

It's just getting the resources to level an skill everyone.

[terse furnace]

I don't think it will, since Xaihi's skill heals twice

So it'll heal right before the big LR burst

[drifting quest]

does it just reset stack

[terse furnace]

I think so

I can check

[drifting quest]

i just automatically assumed it had a cooldown

lmfao

everything else does after all

[terse furnace]

I tested, it does refresh on the second FS

[drifting quest]

then yeah purely a case of dilution

depends on the team

[terse furnace]

Or he didn't take into consideration the consistency of proccing the attack buff

Cuz he might've been under the same impression as you

That you'd need to heal for the attack buff

We can ask him when he shows up later

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah double check

but id guess its just dilution stuff

both are gonna work

unless im missing something which might be the case

idk if det has int and chiv doesnt

for example

[terse furnace]

Xaihi is Will scaling though

[next helm]

dets passive is just way better

[terse furnace]

The team doesn't really have any atk% buffs atm, so that's not necessarily the case

Atk% buffs are really valuable atm

[drifting quest]

akekuri gives them

[terse furnace]

Are you running Ake in LR?

You shouldn't be

Anyways this is what Det Unit looks like at lvl 1

[next helm]

Xaihis buff is int

[terse furnace]

Well neither of them give int lmao

[next helm]

det does with passive

[terse furnace]

And Xaihi only applies art burst on combo

[terse furnace]

????

Oh, Secondary Attri

I see now

[next helm]

Int is her secondary

[terse furnace]

Yeah I got it now

[next helm]

And why is she not doing arts burst?

[drifting quest]

yes

[terse furnace]

Where does it say the buff is int scaling?

[drifting quest]

generally go to 4th for lr

[next helm]

Ult

[terse furnace]

THe goto should be Perlica for burst

[drifting quest]

perlica is on the team too yes

xaihi perlica akekuri

[terse furnace]

You're dropping Ard?

[drifting quest]

yes

you never really got her skill in anyway, too long to proc

[terse furnace]

I guess if you value Thermite's attack buff it'd definitely matter

[drifting quest]

plus sp cost

ake also has link

and link is like probably the best buff

[midnight stirrup]

how high does thermite atk buff go

at r1