theorycrafting

[twilit quail]

well not a bit, cause both problems are pretty bad

[tranquil burrow]

The support problem can be solved, the other one though is rip

[pale falcon]

So anyone know a good spot for getting the killing 4 enemies in 1 hit medal?

[manic blade]

Id sign this petition

[twilit quail]

cryo wulfgard would make her competent

but sadly blue wulfgard doesnt exist yet

[manic blade]

Gimme pyro xaihi

[tranquil burrow]

Or rather, blue akekuri I take it

[lime bear]

after 7h will Gilb banner be up immediately

[tranquil burrow]

for Asia

for the rest of us it's 20 hours

[twilit quail]

no but like

xaihi is cryo and nature

antal is fire and electric

if we just swapped the elements

would the teams actually be better off

[lime bear]

I'm in Asia tho

[twilit quail]

I think ice actually would be cause application economy

[manic blade]

No xaihi would kinda kill lr no?

I don’t rlly play her idk

[twilit quail]

it would be annoying to have no xaihi

but antal gets 3 combos over 60s for 3 stacks

and LR would be a fan of that

[manic blade]

True

I refuse to build antal… I don’t like him

[twilit quail]

fire would love more amp since antal was nerfed a lot

[tranquil burrow]

multiple amp sources are additive right?

[manic blade]

Prayge Rossi is xaihi with good app

[lime bear]

Rossi VG + Amp trust

[tranquil burrow]

ardelia gives pretty good and long lasting amp, I'm not sure why people bench her

SP issues?

[lime bear]

imagine her double SP buff alongside Akekuri

[ripe parrot]

yeah more SP hungry, clunkier rotation, and ult does pretty much nothing

[twilit quail]

needs sp to apply it

that's literally it

[drifting quest]

antal buffs are comparable on damage increase and sp cost and also he can then stack heat

[twilit quail]

and the numbers arent high enough for it to be worth

[drifting quest]

gilberta is for the deranged

ardelia is just comfort for slower rots

[ripe parrot]

no hit fidget spinner down. honestly least enjoyable solo fight

even marble tentacles is more fun

[tranquil burrow]

Ardelia gives 2.5x the amp buff of Antal at P0 and her sig effect is extremely strong too

[ripe parrot]

at least there's an obvious counter play to tentacles

[tranquil burrow]

Enlighten me because my only counter play is to start with ult and insta nuke 2 of them

else I'm basically cooked and it drags on and on and on

[ripe parrot]

just kite the orbs they have a obvious windup animation

but this is from the perspective of no hit

[drifting quest]

weapons are a non factor because of stanza and then det vs starry

antal is 8% suscept, 16% amp
ardelia is 16% suscept (24% at p1)

[ripe parrot]

trim and no hit on marble is kinda unfeasible at the moment

[tranquil burrow]

I could've sworn ardelia is 20%, of well

[ripe parrot]

you want to pretty much unga bunga on marble

[drifting quest]

that's at m3

[tranquil burrow]

also, I just realized amp and susc are two different things

[drifting quest]

antals buffs are larger if you consider m3 too

sl9 is the 'default' so i gave those values

[urban anchor]

For a buffer/debuffer like Antal, does upgrading their weapon even do anything as higher lvl weapon doesnt unlock more essence slots for the buffs/debuffs right ?

[drifting quest]

starry beach is like 2% more arts damage taken at e4

[drifting quest]

if you dont get any more essence with levels then no

[tranquil burrow]

You want to R4 his weapon skill

[drifting quest]

some might have primary or secondary lines you want to max

[tranquil burrow]

it probably altogether does add up to some amount of dmg increase

[drifting quest]

so its case by case

[tranquil burrow]

Probably worth it if you're just focusing on one team

[urban anchor]

Like I can just leave it like this right ? Not sure if its even worth the investment in a Laevatain team unless Im chasing for a damage breakpoint that I dont even know I guess

[tranquil burrow]

you can unless your ocd triggers

[drifting quest]

int buff is technically nice but its also like nothingburger

[ripe parrot]

man my no hit fidget spinner run is so sloppy but i don't want to do it again

[tranquil burrow]

i forgot but doesn't arts intensity improve amp buffs

[ripe parrot]

maybe i just move onto marble no hit

and try again later

[tranquil burrow]

and it scales really well too but Idk much

[twilit quail]

intensity would do something elsewhere but not for fire

[ripe parrot]

iirc it's good to ~100 arts intensity and then it experiences diminishing returns

[urban anchor]

oh does it ?

[sterile patrol]

it's diminishing regardless

[tranquil burrow]

Aktchually everything is diminishing. Going from 0 atk to 1 and then 1 atk to 2 is diminishing returns.

[urban anchor]

I mean, there are not alot of art intensity sources no ? So I guess havin it maxed out is still good.

[drifting quest]

we call that dilution not diminishing returns

diminishing returns is saved for when after a certain point the stat gives less per point

[ripe parrot]

also arts intensity doesn't buff amp

[daring dove]

Sod it there's literally go good reason to take her to 90 but she's best girl so lets start.

[drifting quest]

rip xp

[ripe parrot]

it does however buff electrification

[drifting quest]

yes

they probably meant that

[ocean hawk]

is this called prefarm luck

[drifting quest]

electrification isnt amp anyway but hey

[twilit quail]

I hit 5>6 on both lines 1 and 2 for my ange essence today

so I am big chilling tmw

[ocean hawk]

hit? not gel ?

[twilit quail]

but I am going to AK fan con in morning

[drifting quest]

some people are truly blessed in the rng department

[ocean hawk]

crazy luck indeed

[tranquil burrow]

i hit +6 and +3 on the skill back to back

[twilit quail]

yeah I tapped them back to back

[tranquil burrow]

hitting is not that uncommon

[ocean hawk]

holy back to back

[drifting quest]

the only essence ive actually done is laev's

[twilit quail]

(i had to pity 6 pips on my lae weapon)

[drifting quest]

im sat on unupgraded ones and fodder

[drifting quest]

real and true

finally relatable

[humble hinge]

Getting essence for 5 star weapon is a waste of time, right?

[twilit quail]

so it all goes back to expected value eventually

[tranquil burrow]

actually, odds of hitting are greater than odds of needing to pity over the long term, so you'll end up with an excess of coolent gel eventually and then just become lazy and use it up every now and then

[woeful plume]

best way to go about it tbh, i popped like 4-5 tickets to hit 3 stats on the passives on purples

[drifting quest]

depends on the weapon and who its on

[twilit quail]

and then I failed 8 in a row on thermite cutter line 3 1>2

[woeful plume]

flow 3, infliction 3, detonation 3

[ocean hawk]

no way u failed that 1 to 2

[tranquil burrow]

line 3 is always worse early on but better for last level

[humble hinge]

I have good 6 stars for any character, except greatswords

[ocean hawk]

isnt that chance should be high ?

[humble hinge]

No luck with those

[tranquil burrow]

it says "very low"

[ocean hawk]

no no no, I was talking to iana

[tranquil burrow]

it's ~10% or something

[ocean hawk]

oh line 3

forgot

i thought it has same chance

[glossy light]

btw +5 Atk Boost and +3 Twilight have different Coolant Gel req (250 vs 300), both have Very Low chance, is the % chance actually lower for the +3 Twilight or is it the same?

[humble hinge]

The fact that devs integrated fucking gacha system for etching and artificing is so annoying

[drifting quest]

off the top of my head the 5* weapons worth essencing are like
fortmaker
OBJ (pistols and sword), latter assuming no thermite, former assuming chasing wulfgard er
breakpoint
wild wanderer and stanza
sundering steel for chen
canal for dapan if no exemplar
maybe chimeric justice for lifeng

[ocean hawk]

I prefer this rather than hsr / genshin relic system......

[humble hinge]

No random stats? How about random chance of success lol

[junior owl]

500iq lae

[ripe parrot]

hard pity means you'll inevitably get it though

so i don't really care that much

[frigid vector]

say for the pog fortmaker vs never rest calcs, what was the number difference we were looking at? got a friend that went for sig and is dooming so it'd be nice to get a fixed view on the tc atm

[humble hinge]

The guarants are too far to matter

[drifting quest]

i farmed relics for like half a year in hoyo games to have worse gear than someone who farmed a day

[humble hinge]

Like you won't fail artifice 20 times in a row

Statistically unlikely

[ripe parrot]

you have obviously never experienced even worse games

see: lost ark, maplestory

[ocean hawk]

dont ever bring that

in this game

[humble hinge]

The only thing I recognize here is MapleStar

[safe nymph]

i have my clannibal higher pot than my starry beach is it worth it to have both still or should i swap starry beach for the obj arts identifier

[humble hinge]

But that's not what are you talking about ig

[lost gale]

This is the best channel I could find to share this so hope someone appreciates / can give some feedback 🥹

Rate my zipline route for The Hub - reaches all rare growths and recycling stations with two ziplines left over

[ripe parrot]

maplestory: imagine your artificed gear explodes and you have to make a new set after a crit failure

[ocean hawk]

bro is cultured

[tranquil burrow]

here the difference is only 2 weeks vs 1 day

[ocean hawk]

isnt that the exact thing like BDO ?

[humble hinge]

That's gonna happen when devs will release lvl90 gear pretty much

[ocean hawk]

failing the enchant just break the gear

[ripe parrot]

I heard BDO is bad too but i don't know enough about it

[humble hinge]

Poof, your artificing is useless now

[safe nymph]

just wondering if the buffs override eachother since it says only one buff of this type can exist at one time

[ocean hawk]

it is bad, but I cant compare to maplestory since I dont play it

[tight haven]

i prefer to make them from each tp point myself but that's pretty neat

[ripe parrot]

maplestory is like artificing for every stat but every time you go higher up in artifice levels, it has an increased chance to blow up and basically reset your progress

[tight haven]

I LOVE DESTRUCTIBLE GEAR

[twilit quail]

bomba

[tight haven]

dont forget to use some stupid fucking toilet paper so it doesn blow up

[lost gale]

yeah i was cutting it close on the number of ziplines so i considers the one near the east recycling station "clsoe enough to tp"

[ripe parrot]

korean mmos are legit desk slammer ragebait material

[safe nymph]

ah no i get it they are technically diff i cant read

[humble hinge]

You either quit early enough, or you animate long enough to see yourself making adultery

[twilit quail]

I played lost ark for a while

[ocean hawk]

ahh, in BDO we dont have each stat enhance, rather its the whole gear enhance, and when u fail, poof that gears gone. gone gone and u need to refarm it from boss drop

[twilit quail]

but it's actually not that bad

in this regard

[frigid vector]

lost ark brings back memories

pvp doomed

[twilit quail]

the bad shit about lost ark is mostly the other stuff

[drifting quest]

fortmaker converts to 35% increase on breach, or about ~8.5% more physical damage taken
and then it has the ult gain% to give more ults as well

never rest has more personal damage for pog but you're pog you don't care about that plus up to 35% physical dmg%

dmg% is like pretty diluted whereas the breach bonus isn't so much

I couldn't give like exact number gap since it's so hard to quantify how much increased ults contributes but the longer a fight goes on the more you'd notice, beyond just being able to stack more arts intensity on gear as well

that said like never rest clears and has superior drip so like does it matter if fortmaker is better

[tranquil burrow]

It's worse because KR companies have been known to do actual rate manipulation and then have courts on their ass

Literally recently a KR mmo was caught doing that

[ripe parrot]

literally nexon aka maplestory's publisher

[ocean hawk]

this remind me of that bunny holding a timer sticker / meme

[humble hinge]

I've heard Japanese gacha systems are just straight up dogshit

[tranquil burrow]

Ye but like I'm saying not even just Nexon

[drifting quest]

i played lost ark but only the singleplayer stuff, i quit once i had to actually play with other people because thats when it sucked

[tranquil burrow]

Another company just a couple weeks back got caught

[humble hinge]

200 pulls for guarantee in Uma musume

[tranquil burrow]

111%games or whatever the name was

[ocean hawk]

ah, we talked about spark system ?

[granite lily]

Nah its chinese thats rigged bs, japanese seems pretty fair from what I've seen

[ocean hawk]

JP always been using that system from their old gacha games

[tranquil burrow]

it's an insult to dogshit

[ocean hawk]

FGO is worse

[humble hinge]

They really adapted pachinko into game lol

1/240 chance for a jackpot

[granite lily]

WuWa, Genshin etc. are almost completely rigged to 170 pulls per SR

[twilit quail]

p5 fortmaker ranges from 1% better to 4% worse than a p0 thermite(18% atk for team) depending on team circumstances, and never rest is like

off the top of my head

84-92% of therm's team perf

at same pot lvl

[frigid vector]

I was just wondering because when doing a recommendation on it it'd be good to know roughly the rotation that's used for the calc, because 8.5% more phys dmg is good but that has to be weighed with personal dmg contribution too

like it wasn't all that far back that I was seeing thermite cutter be worse than never rest because despite the higher buff value it was almost a 20% difference in pog's personal damage that adds up

[twilit quail]

depending on team

[humble hinge]

Thermite is secret signature for all SP generators

I hope devs won't nerf it

[ocean hawk]

this means that pot 5 never rest still bad rather than p0 thermite or p5 fort ?

[twilit quail]

unfortunately in current opti pog personal damage is around 5% at best

[tranquil burrow]

Tell your friend Pog's sig is 100x the drip

[drifting quest]

pog damage mattered at lower investment hence overestimating never rest
pog damage very quickly got outscaled and then we sort of realised how mid never rest actually is

[tranquil burrow]

Fortmaker looks like shit

[twilit quail]

p5 never rest is only a little better than p0 therm

[frigid vector]

fairs

[twilit quail]

like 4-5%

[drifting quest]

drip gap though

[humble hinge]

Thermal sword is the goat?

[ripe parrot]

i dunno, the fact that you are guaranteed a fort means that if you want to make a da pan phys team, it might not be bad to go fortmaker on pog so that you can pick up exemplar for da pan in the box

[twilit quail]

and gets rapidly outscaled by therm when it gets dupe

[ocean hawk]

[frigid vector]

maybe one day gachas will let me skin a weapon with other weapons I already have 😔

[humble hinge]

Endministrator is free, why panda?

[ripe parrot]

i wish sundering steel didn't look ugly as fuck

[humble hinge]

Valorant skin design right here

[ripe parrot]

because of varying sp needs, i prefer da pan because it's sp-less crush

[tranquil burrow]

Oh actually I was thinking about that when I said Fortmaker looks like shit

[ocean hawk]

will we have character that can use never rest in the future ?, I already 90 my never rest and now migrating to fortmaker (in progress)

[twilit quail]

with more gear set in future

[drifting quest]

just run never rest

[twilit quail]

never rest could potentially be better again

[ocean hawk]

I dont have problem migrating, coz I have pot 4 fortmaker

[humble hinge]

What are the events we are getting tomorrow?

For battlepass

[drifting quest]

also like if the future phys char for some reason has no in kit dmg% and runs no dmg% gear and then also gives themself a personal external atk% steroid then never rest stocks are back

[ocean hawk]

and waiting for 1 more dupe from gilb weap gacha later

[frigid vector]

it'll come down to saturation ye

technically endmin talent

[twilit quail]

it just sucks ass for people that went into sig early

[frigid vector]

should be same multiplier as breach

so that alone already some saturation no?

[ocean hawk]

ahh

so its not becoming a hunk of metal

[drifting quest]

endmin talent is the same mult as breach yeah

[frigid vector]

realspace stasis

ye

[drifting quest]

but also endmin is a crushbot

[frigid vector]

aye

but if we get more of those

[drifting quest]

didnt we confirm dmg% doesnt buff crush damage

[frigid vector]

breach arts intensity will get diluted so as iana says things can change

[humble hinge]

Is there way to trigger arc combo every 3 seconds?

[twilit quail]

well, no

[frigid vector]

so hopefully my friend doesn't doom too much

[twilit quail]

the more raised your endmin is

the more of the damage comes from ult

as you go up crush becomes less and less

da pan is the actual crushbot

[frigid vector]

wait dmg % has no impact on crush?

I guess since it's a reaction, but still it's phys

that's surprising

[twilit quail]

no, it's just how it works out

[humble hinge]

Do you think we will get 4⭐ alters?

[frigid vector]

or do you mean realspace stasis

being consumed before the dmg tick

[twilit quail]

ult progressively becomes a bigger % of your damage

[drifting quest]

i dont have anything for phys built until tomorrow so i never personally confirmed

[tranquil burrow]

They will make bank with Fluorite alter for sure

[drifting quest]

it was just a conversation a while back where others said phys% doesnt buff crush damage

[humble hinge]

This

[drifting quest]

could have been wrong

[humble hinge]

Make her main dps

I beg you GH

[frigid vector]

well shouldn't be too difficult to test

[drifting quest]

trying to test damage values on level 1 units is

hell

i can confirm

[frigid vector]

just need an artificed swordmancer flint

[drifting quest]

Effect Base multiplier × (0.5 + (Stack Count × 0.5)) × Level Multiplier × (1+ (Arts Intensity/100)) *
(ATK * DMG% * Stagger * Susceptibility * Amplification * DMG Taken% * Res * Def)

[tranquil burrow]

when ya releasing more videos on Endfield combat mechs

[frigid vector]

legit single point on physical dmg %

[drifting quest]

would imply damage% does count

[frigid vector]

monday

I got some tech cooking for gil

[drifting quest]

i thought gilb was out in 4 hours but shes not

i planned around this

[frigid vector]

or tuesday depends on approval since it'll be a sponsored one

[drifting quest]

[tranquil burrow]

just restart in asia server

[frigid vector]

😔

[drifting quest]

i sure do love 400ms ping

[tranquil burrow]

thank fuck gameplay is client side

[drifting quest]

its w/e i just finished my work early to be able to do gilb stuff

i dont have anything to do tomorrow

[humble hinge]

I spent 50 pulls in the default banner instead of saving them for Angelina, am I cooked?

[tranquil burrow]

50 pulls worth of oro?

[drifting quest]

if you didnt pull laev no

if you did and f2p prob

[ocean hawk]

eh, its has different time ?

[humble hinge]

0 IQ move right here 😭

[twilit quail]

gilb is unironically such a fun unit

a guy I know borrowed my account to do something

[humble hinge]

And originium

[tranquil burrow]

yeah like half a day earlier units

[ocean hawk]

I knew it will open on 10 AM UTC +7. But on different server it has different time ?

wth

[twilit quail]

cause I have 5+5 surtr and a gil, right

[tranquil burrow]

I just get the feeling you're a whale

[twilit quail]

cause he saw that I have charge set

[humble hinge]

I'll buy bundles, monthly and BP, but not originium probably

[twilit quail]

on lae

and wanted to try speedrun on marble

[drifting quest]

im gonna pull her and then 1.1 is gonna be 6* tangtang phys and 1.2 is 6* fire vg rossi and we're gonna have no income and im gonna mald missing one

[humble hinge]

Nope, I spent originium that I got in the story

[twilit quail]

I wake up to find him giving gil swordmancer

[drifting quest]

[tranquil burrow]

That's some cooked behavior

[drifting quest]

swordmancer is just such a funny set

[tranquil burrow]

6 teased units, I'm willing to bet all 6 are 6 stars

[drifting quest]

probably my favourite one in the game right now

[tranquil burrow]

I just know it

[lost gale]

save origeometry for battle pas

[humble hinge]

Idle death gambler 🥀

I'll get free orig from monthly and paid bp anyway

10$/month ain't much

[tranquil burrow]

It's just way more effective to use it to buy weapon pulls when a desperate moment comes

[twilit quail]

I still cant get over the ardelia swordmancer technology

[frigid vector]

oh right

what's the basic attack uptime you have set for calcs iana

[humble hinge]

80 orig for 1 weapon pull? HELL NAH

[tranquil burrow]

Oh, on holiday is iana

I only realized now

[twilit quail]

I just try it myself and then note what I can greed

lol

[humble hinge]

I've got enough of weapons right now

[tranquil burrow]

I was wondering why people kept mentioning Iana

[twilit quail]

it's not prodctive to just do it purely on paper

[frigid vector]

well you kinda gotta do an estimate because it's RNG as fuck

[twilit quail]

oh well

[ocean hawk]

or u can get nothing with 12 pull from gacha (since 6 star is not guaranteed)

[twilit quail]

I guess I have accounts I can borrow from people and such

with built units

if you guys dont have that yeah

it's a lot more difficult

I dont really have a solution for you

[ocean hawk]

u get like 500 - 600 ish weap currency per 10 pull

[twilit quail]

good luck brother

[drifting quest]

i just napkin math it

test in game if i can

tends to align decently close

[tranquil burrow]

Or 300+ orig in char banners for 1 weapon pull

[frigid vector]

I was thinking more

[sinful gazelle]

Would u rather lr or Yvonne as wife

[frigid vector]

team basics

[twilit quail]

like if I need to test something on phys

[frigid vector]

not personal basics

[twilit quail]

I just log into my friend's account

[frigid vector]

since team AI is truly one of a kind

[twilit quail]

well it matters cause basics vary in time taken and SP generated

if you mean the autos that the AI controlled chars do

uhhhhh

[frigid vector]

yes

[twilit quail]

[tranquil burrow]

380 worst case but it averages out to 770 over the long term thanks to 6 stars hard carrying the income

[twilit quail]

those are literally rng

so usually we dont bother

[frigid vector]

ah so just not included

[twilit quail]

it's variance we cant account for at all, really

[frigid vector]

cause ye they'd further increase value of team-wide buffs

[drifting quest]

it only really matters on like

exactly phys

[frigid vector]

so something like a 50% uptime vs 25% would matter a fair bit as basics add up

helps on anything that you run arts too

like antal/perlica

[twilit quail]

I mean if that is the discussion we are getting into

autos are only a tiny part of the picture

[ocean hawk]

but still, u get 2000 stable weapon currencies if u just convert but yeah I prefer to gamble for the 6 star XD

[frigid vector]

are they? dmg multipliers should add up if they're consistent outside of stagger

[drifting quest]

wulfgard akekuri antal ardelia autos are like nothingburger damage

[frigid vector]

I guess since they aren't build for dmg

cause in terms of dmg multis

[humble hinge]

Basic attacks just don't deal damage

That's it

[drifting quest]

it'd take like potentially minutes for them to match one basic sequence of your carry

[frigid vector]

[frigid vector]

do ally basics do lower dmg

[twilit quail]

she stinks

and doesnt work anywhere

[tranquil burrow]

Idk where I saw a dmg distribution chart but dps wulf was like 12% or something, obviously at an opportunity cost

[humble hinge]

I've seen people argue that catcher is better defender than ember

[drifting quest]

she does nothing of value, eats your sp, actively discourages you from dodging(good)

[humble hinge]

She's kinda cooked

[frigid vector]

like a maxed wulf combo skill is

135% dmg

[drifting quest]

is it really that low

[frigid vector]

that's less than just his B3 or B4 lol

[drifting quest]

wtf

[tranquil burrow]

I saw a 2 min trim with an ember team so there's that at least

[humble hinge]

The most annoying thing about dodge is that you don't get compensated in case it interrupts your attack

Which is annoying

[tranquil burrow]

ember main controlled op too

[frigid vector]

even his battle skill

is only 230%

[drifting quest]

i mean we build wulf for ult charge anyway 1 vs 2 damage scenario

[humble hinge]

Enemies can stop abilities of your teammates that are not controlled

[frigid vector]

it's only if you get additional effect that it hits hard

[humble hinge]

And mess up your cycle

[frigid vector]

yeah but take for example a char like perlica who can shred and is arts so always matching dmg type

her battle skill is 400% at max

[ocean hawk]

is this that bilibili video ? coz if true then u need to take into account that iirc that ember has crowned / mastery the basic attack

[frigid vector]

but her full basic string is 336

[humble hinge]

I enjoy getting 200k damage from perlica finisher on oblivion. It is alright that it is not best team wise lol

[frigid vector]

so just one set of basics is almost as much as her bskill lol

[humble hinge]

[twilit quail]

it's just that wild wanderer isnt great

[frigid vector]

you do 3 basic attacks

on perlica

and that's as much as her ult

in terms of dmg multi alone that is

[drifting quest]

if you're doing like high invest dps perlica stuff sure same case as phys but like

low invest is arts intensity bot

[frigid vector]

not even high invest perlica but it's more, any dmg that isn't from a main carry unit would in theory be dominated by their basics

because of the multiplier spreads

[humble hinge]

Will devs ever fix this?

[frigid vector]

if they aren't invested then it'd do much less, but you could still have pure basics add up to a decent amount for team damage

[twilit quail]

will devs ever make the bots constantly auto? hell no

[frigid vector]

so when you start looking at team-wide buffs, if you factor in AI basics it could shift weights

exactly, which is why it's a pain

I know different people take different approaches like

"assume 1/4 uptime"

[drifting quest]

it requires actually putting resources into basics though, which most people have no reason to
and even then like at absolute most stars align sort of thing you maybe squeeze 5-10% more damage in sure

[frigid vector]

for something like sustainless phys it seems like it'd be a big deal

[drifting quest]

yeah phys is the exception

[frigid vector]

so it'll ride on the team comp

[drifting quest]

it probably still isnt as huge as it sounds for phys but like it exists

[frigid vector]

a last rite team wouldn't even blink at it

[drifting quest]

hypercarries dont care

[frigid vector]

but like, basics do a fuckton of dmg compared to skills overall

[drifting quest]

phys and high invest elec are like the only non hypercarry comps right now though

[frigid vector]

chen basics are 317% but her combo is only 270%

ultimate focused unit though

[ripe parrot]

combo procs lift though so yeah

[twilit quail]

Im so tired of people saying aspirant is good on chen btw

it genuinely

like

fuck me man

[ripe parrot]

people say aspirant is good on chen?

[drifting quest]

but its her sig (it isnt)

[frigid vector]

if dmg % wasn't giga saturated

I could see it but

why aspirant when sundering is a thing

[twilit quail]

today I will take like

plus 50% ult damage

[drifting quest]

maxed aspirant is like some 150-200% damage%

lmao

[twilit quail]

over the weapon

[drifting quest]

its pretty crazy just how much it stacks up

[twilit quail]

that says

+56% atk

it's just insane cause p3 aspirant is worse than p0 steel

[drifting quest]

b-but chen gets 300% attack from stats

!!

[sterile patrol]

astra yao will change everything with atk% and dmg%

[frigid vector]

she did 😔

well 1.2k all team combat attack

still carrying teams to this day

[tranquil burrow]

+600 flat atk in this one

[sterile patrol]

hydrogen bomb character

600 flat atk would be omega

[tranquil burrow]

[drifting quest]

i cant wait for my second third fourth fifth 3d arpg to release a supportive singer character who mega buffs my team

[sterile patrol]

[tranquil burrow]

I mean music does affect us like that so it's fair

[sterile patrol]

music makes you violent?

[ripe parrot]

you know in the same vein i saw a lot of people run rapid ascent on chen but i was totally not wowed by the weapon

[twilit quail]

it was nerfed

[sterile patrol]

yea it got kicked in the shin from cbt2

[tranquil burrow]

motivated

[ripe parrot]

oh what was it prior?

[humble hinge]

Aspirant is worse than ugly steel for Chen?

[ripe parrot]

way worse

[humble hinge]

Damn

[twilit quail]

it used to have 24 more stat

[sterile patrol]

156 agi and higher vs stagger buff

[twilit quail]

and the bonus vs stagger used to be even bigger

[tranquil burrow]

Devs do have foresight for all future characters so this must've been overly good on some future char

[twilit quail]

but we dont support degenerate crit gambling in this house so fk that weapon

[sterile patrol]

safe space for non critters

[tranquil burrow]

Might still be a good alternative now

[humble hinge]

Crits are not meta in endfield?

[ripe parrot]

rapid ascent is really good for clickbait thumbnails i guess

[drifting quest]

the drip is so much better though

[sterile patrol]

not right now

[twilit quail]

theoretically

[tranquil burrow]

Opportunity cost, strong alternatives that are much more accessible

[drifting quest]

like fuck man i dont care if the box cutter is the best weapon going i do not want to see that on my screen every day

[twilit quail]

if you make the timeline infinitely long

[ripe parrot]

i think the worst part about sundering steel is that it looks so horrible compared to chen's other base weapon

[twilit quail]

crit set lae can be good

[sterile patrol]

[ripe parrot]

it does not match at all

chen is dripless with sundering steel

[tranquil burrow]

It's especially worse since Chen uses dual swords and that box sword looks like utter garbage

[humble hinge]

It is not like you stare at it, Chen is not controlled hero usually

[ripe parrot]

i'm a solo chen player...

[frigid vector]

solo chen trim video when

[twilit quail]

chen is actually controlled a lot lol

for phys

[ripe parrot]

i'm working on it

[tranquil burrow]

have you m3'd all 4 skills

[humble hinge]

Endmin?

[frigid vector]

endmin should be better esp if you ani cancel b4 no?

[drifting quest]

doesnt phys situationally field all 4 units

[frigid vector]

other than swap cancelling

what's the goal in changing units for phys

[tranquil burrow]

get those trust talents and dijiang skills

[humble hinge]

What a silly goober

[twilit quail]

it's just maximising autos

[humble hinge]

[ripe parrot]

i would if i had protohedrons

[twilit quail]

cause some of the units

have very long anims

[rugged vale]

growth chamber skills 🗣️

[tranquil burrow]

[frigid vector]

what do you mean by maximising autos, you interrupt teammate autos if you swap

[sterile patrol]

counterpoint no one can butt slam like da pan can

[frigid vector]

so you only swap if you cancelling recovery of final strike

but yeah some are faster than others

I think endmin should be the best in theory but

[humble hinge]

You get flashed when Chen ults tho

[frigid vector]

I actually haven't tried da pan

[twilit quail]

teammate is stuck in longass anim like lifeng

[frigid vector]

actually technically

[tranquil burrow]

it's actually pretty good because if you get like 1 new char per patch (relatable) dijiang alone can fund via its growth chamber and manufacturing shop

[twilit quail]

so we cant auto with him

[frigid vector]

ember is the best phys unit for basic attacking but...

[drifting quest]

pog has slightly faster stagger on his basics
lifeng has the best finisher when accounting for high investment
dapan has some weird animation jank
chen is autominmax anim cancels

[twilit quail]

theoretically at high invest

[frigid vector]

chen ani cancel is only on final strike no?

I couldn't find anything good for her, just fast basics overall

[twilit quail]

you auto on lifeng always unless he is in animation

[humble hinge]

You get more resources from wildlife than dijang growth chamber tbh

[twilit quail]

and he will be in anim a lot

[humble hinge]

2/day vs 0.3/1 day

[twilit quail]

second choice is chen

[sterile patrol]

tier 0 it is 🤝

[frigid vector]

second is chen?

[rugged vale]

yeah growth chamber is ass

[twilit quail]

yes

[tranquil burrow]

you get waaaaaay more resources from wildlife but thing is at a rate of 1 new operator per patch dijiang alone can sustain

[frigid vector]

chen should be worse than endmin dps on basics with cancels

[rugged vale]

other 2 factories are okay

[frigid vector]

she hits way more often so hitstop is more of an isssue

[drifting quest]

didnt we do the math

[frigid vector]

and her only ani cancel point is final strike

[drifting quest]

isnt ember basics worse than pogs

for stagger/s

[frigid vector]

did you count frames with hitstop

and were you dodge cancelling

[drifting quest]

maybe not i didnt do the math

[frigid vector]

if you don't dodge cancel ember is terrible but her actual dps with b3 and final strike cancelsi s very high

[drifting quest]

someone else just posted it

[tranquil burrow]

how do you even count frames this ain't street fighter

[ripe parrot]

just count until you regain control of your point unit?

[frigid vector]

you set the game to 60fps lock, record it, then put it on software like davinci and check from first animation movement to recovery

[tranquil burrow]

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/JguUJg5lEiA?si=lJt1pbmDifQFZVz7&t=424

timestamped

[twilit quail]

there's one on 3rd

[frigid vector]

what's the frame diff

do you have side by side comparisons

dashing itself takes time so it needs to be faster

like I got slower basics on b3 cancels with endmin over b4

her third should just be

a singular downwards slash?

I could see b4 since it's a twin hit so you could probably cancel 2nd hit

[twilit quail]

yeah 4th sorry

[frigid vector]

but I remember trying it and it was worse than not doing it

had me take more time than just doing the basic in full

[stable crag]

Best armour for xaihi?

[frigid vector]

especially when factoring in the loss of dmg from the second hit

[drifting quest]

xiranite if no holder but you're probably always having someone else hold xiranite so frontiers to stack secondary attribute %

[twilit quail]

【大潘25s35f镀层罗丹，独步天下的物理队理解！【终末地】-哔哩哔哩】 https://vxb23.tv/n0qMPaM

look at this here

[drifting quest]

honestly sec att% probably outscales xiranite anyway its xiranite

[twilit quail]

this is what everyone likes currently

[drifting quest]

oh we're down a few seconds

nice

road to 20s

[frigid vector]

oh it's swap cancels

I can try the b4 cancel again and see the times

didn't seem like it was any faster though

[twilit quail]

esp with how we like to line up chen and lifeng combo

[frigid vector]

actually should be if you can bypass hitstop

[twilit quail]

everyone has been using this for a while

[frigid vector]

stagger build on that is just nuts ngl

[sterile patrol]

light work no reaction for da pan

cant wait to see what happens with another 6* phys

[twilit quail]

anyway we should give chen a water gun

to settle this issue

[drifting quest]

Chen3

Oh my god its so funny

[quasi quarry]

she jsut got a sword though

[twilit quail]

it's so fucking funny cause

[quasi quarry]

do we give her two swords

[tranquil burrow]

When's your gilberta vid coming

[twilit quail]

they went 200 years with that character

[quasi quarry]

[twilit quail]

Im not surprised at all

[rugged vale]

wtf

[twilit quail]

but watching that shit on stream

god

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

She stole an entire events gimmick for her skill

Ako and rihq had people crashing out at alter alter

[quasi quarry]

not a particularly profound gimmick tbh

ngl that event was so whtvr like i didnt really plan around the dragon much ever

[tranquil burrow]

Fuck is this

[drifting quest]

Is6 made the gimmick real

Emergency unlit sparks blind run

[quasi quarry]

I haven't done is6 yet cause I've slacked on the previous ones 😔

[drifting quest]

Clueless

[quasi quarry]

endfield is NOT helping with my backlog

[twilit quail]

also this guy had to

[drifting quest]

Wait for dlc1 atp

[twilit quail]

un-artifice two of his pieces

[quasi quarry]

ye ye

[drifting quest]

Dlc0 is6 is so bad qol wise

[twilit quail]

to not stagger too early

funny stuff

[ripe parrot]

I just did some side-by-side comparisons and the difference is negligible. Anim-cancel is slightly faster but it's so miniscule (like 3-6 frames accounting for player error) that it doesn't matter that much

[frigid vector]

doing some tests myself

[ripe parrot]

as in, you're better off just taking the damage from not canceling the slice

[frigid vector]

I think I may stand both correct and corrected, with endmin being a good pick and chen having a solid b4 cancel

[quasi quarry]

i didn't even know u can skip his phase transition

[frigid vector]

but yeah in terms of dps it'd likely just be better

[quasi quarry]

does he not have a health gate?

[frigid vector]

endmin its objectively better in every way to cancel their b4 though

its awful

[frigid vector]

he does-ish

he will force end stagger when you reach it

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah how does that work? Mf still triggers his phase 2 even during stagger

[frigid vector]

but he takes 2-3s before transitioning to recover from animation

if you can kill in the time it takes for that then you're good

[tranquil burrow]

[quasi quarry]

oh I see so it's just delaying it

[frigid vector]

it should be

hit threshold

reset stagger

recoil

cutscene

[quasi quarry]

[frigid vector]

even if you don't kill in 1 shot

you can play around it

since it's possible for you to "prebuild" stagger before he goes into cutscene

like by timing final strikes or certain skill procs when the reset is due to happen

think I have it in a video somewhere with doing this by swap cancelling last rite ultimate into perlica

[quasi quarry]

on your channel or a clip here

[frigid vector]

on channel but I'd need to find it

sec

[twilit quail]

also

have you guys seen

the fire set ardelia technology

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/JguUJg5lEiA?si=rmAKw4QJzlQ-X_Vh&t=670

timestamped

fire set ardelia?

[quasi quarry]

[twilit quail]

yeah so

it's actually optimal

in LR

LMAO

[drifting quest]

whats the missing tech

[frigid vector]

wdym like

[drifting quest]

surely we're not actually caring about damage bonuses from hot work

[frigid vector]

power cartridge for intensity on corrosion or something

[vestal turtle]

[drifting quest]

intensity stacking sure but like you can just stack more intensity elsewhere no

[vestal turtle]

fire set ardelia?

as in hot work?

[twilit quail]

at all units 90/90 it's actually most team damage yeah

which is insane I know

[quasi quarry]

ah I see, that's crazy optimisation, put a gun to my head and I cant time laev's last basic to wulfguard's combo skill to save my life

[drifting quest]

i genuinely cannot

well

[twilit quail]

we use fire hands

[drifting quest]

i can picture it

[twilit quail]

2 pyrometer

and crit chest

AHAHA

[drifting quest]

the intensity one

not the crit one

right

[twilit quail]

no

crit rate

[drifting quest]

im going to

[twilit quail]

and the calc

[vestal turtle]

whos using the crit rate? 😭

[frigid vector]

I don't follow, why would it be better

[twilit quail]

actually works out

HAHAHA

[drifting quest]

i can follow why hot work

but you lose me at crit rate aux line

[twilit quail]

so the set has 30 intensity

[frigid vector]

pryometer is bskill dmg

[twilit quail]

yep

and you just gamble for the crit

[drifting quest]

wait its not power bank

[twilit quail]

and if it crits

it's 120k

[drifting quest]

this is delusion beyond delusion

[frigid vector]

I mean that's

[twilit quail]

and that is optimal for speedrunning

it's completely deranged

[drifting quest]

im taking this to the extreme

[frigid vector]

technically same tech as just using sundered on last rite or something

and then praying for x3 crit ult and combo

[twilit quail]

well no

[drifting quest]

one crit off piece on every char

[tranquil burrow]

10% crit rate is always a flat 5% more dmg

[drifting quest]

just always crit

[vestal turtle]

so that means over a period of time the average damage is the better than the other set?

[twilit quail]

it's better than xiranite in ice yeah

[quasi quarry]

see you next year with the rng fishing

[twilit quail]

even if you dont crit a single time

[vestal turtle]

🥶

[frigid vector]

it'd also fall behind as soon as you can't kill in 1 combo skill

[drifting quest]

xiranite is just kinda

mid

[twilit quail]

lr is a one rot team

[frigid vector]

since I'm assuming it'd only be worth it to meet a dmg threshold for a speed kill

[vestal turtle]

good thing i didnt start to artifice ardelia's gear

[tranquil burrow]

imagine having the funds for that

[twilit quail]

ok look

[drifting quest]

but its not as mid as frontiers so it probably persists

[twilit quail]

there is no world

in which you, the average person

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah

[twilit quail]

should artifice hot works

for ardelia

[vestal turtle]

im not an average person

im a sweat

[twilit quail]

ok well do you have

p5 lr

[frigid vector]

this would be insanely specific

[twilit quail]

with p5 weapon

no? dont do it

[frigid vector]

LR is not a true 1 rot character because the only enemy that allows for that is rho

both triaggelos and marble need x2 phase kills

[vestal turtle]

soon, gonna do one last mass pull tonight before next banner wish me luck

[frigid vector]

even if you skip phase 2 you still need to average out dmg for phase 1 and 3

which means it's a speedrunning set for only 1 specific fight

where you can kill by pre-casting xaihi bskill and last rite bskill

[tranquil burrow]

speedrunning training dummy

[frigid vector]

as otherwise the stack build rotation is long enough that you meet the 17s cooldown for ardelia's combo

also the dmg multi on ardelia is still pretty trash

her combo is like 350% combined with explosion

bskill is 320%

even at M3

[twilit quail]

current dorito is only one and a half rotation where you are mega overflowing with energy

[wise gate]

guys I improved my playlist so I should have this in the bag

[frigid vector]

so it's needed specifically for when you can't 1 shot with LR

[wise gate]

10 hour nohit

cya tomorrow if i succeed

[tranquil burrow]

Catcher dps?

[twilit quail]

and in dorito and marble she is on purple set duty rn

[tranquil burrow]

Level 1 Catcher main dps

[wise gate]

level 1 catcher only triaggelos

[twilit quail]

so it is just derangement all the way down

[wise gate]

cya

im in my run now

[tranquil burrow]

[frigid vector]

ye hot work ardelia

is the kinda stuff

[quasi quarry]

[frigid vector]

I can use for a meme video but that should never be done unless in creator server account

[twilit quail]

like Im actually close

to just recommending

the purple set

on her

cause it's kinda good

[drifting quest]

not the 50sp once per fight set

come on

[twilit quail]

yes

that one

like I used it and

[twilit quail]

it's actually

pretty good

[manic blade]

Instructor set parallel

[tranquil burrow]

I had this entire time thought there was a gold version of this and I was just missing it

[drifting quest]

is this just for last rite speedruns

or generic

[twilit quail]

generic

[drifting quest]

[twilit quail]

I tried it on some weaker acc

with lv70 lae

[drifting quest]

i dont see how its actually good outside of giga cope

[twilit quail]

and I trimmed dorito

so like

[frigid vector]

even with antal + ardelia where you overlap xiranite

[twilit quail]

it's unironically kind of actually just good

[midnight stirrup]

Is this shit good to get familiar with or is it cappucino nothing burger stuff?

[frigid vector]

it'd need some truly god awful rotaiton management

[drifting quest]

it saves you what 5s or so on first rot

then does nothing for the rest of the fight

[frigid vector]

for that to be better on a level 70 lae

[drifting quest]

like how is that good

or well it doesnt even save time since you have to do the 3 stack ardelia rotation

[frigid vector]

if the fight is taking 2 minutes that 50sp is going to be made up by perfect dodge bonuses alone lol

[drifting quest]

so you're waiting anyway

[weak meteor]

5k atk finally

[ripe parrot]

anim cancels are just nice to know about because it's versatile

[twilit quail]

like maybe Im just super fucking cooked from the physical speedrun timelining Ive been doing

[ripe parrot]

but it depends on char how actually necessary it is

[twilit quail]

but my friend pitched it to me

[drifting quest]

yeah normally i follow but like

[frigid vector]

exactly

[drifting quest]

this is the most bottom of the barrel cope

[twilit quail]

and it actually did fine

[midnight stirrup]

Does it go over every character?

[tranquil burrow]

Your penguin waddles faster

[midnight stirrup]

I didnt look into the video in depth

[frigid vector]

at that point I think it's

[drifting quest]

if you're coping that hard just seals build no artificing and make her stanza bot

[frigid vector]

you did ok and just happened to have the set rather than the other way around

correlation not causation angle

[twilit quail]

I dunno maybe the game is just too easy

[wise gate]

ok well I died but I got it soon for sure

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah

[frigid vector]

it is easy

[weak meteor]

waddles into my bank withdrawal for more grand visions

[twilit quail]

maybe that is it

[drifting quest]

blue gear has trims

[ripe parrot]

i dunno i didn't watch the full video but I personally know animation cancelling is very good on chen because i run her

[drifting quest]

im pretty sure

[twilit quail]

and Im overestimating how bad WNN lae is

[quasi quarry]

what does this refer to

[drifting quest]

laev teams can spend their intial 200sp either on 4 stacks + no ardelia susc
or 3 stacks + ardelia susc

[frigid vector]

for some chars

it's practically needed else they're awful

[midnight stirrup]

I assume LR and Laev

[drifting quest]

technically p5 wulf can do 4 stacks and ardelia susc

[frigid vector]

playing last rite without cancelling b2 and final strike

is pure suffering

[frozen cove]

this is xaihi's scaling for her ult, this wording is absolutely horrendous.

does this mean the amp can be raised by a maximum of 30% (so total amp is 19+30=49%)
or does it mean that the total amp itself is 30%? (so from 19% to a max of 30%)

[quasi quarry]

oooh

[frigid vector]

lae gets x5 full basic strings

[ripe parrot]

ember in particular is pretty funny

[twilit quail]

LR kind of cant play if you dont know what you are doing with autos

[midnight stirrup]

Does Laev cancel at P5

[twilit quail]

cause it's literally the entire char

[quasi quarry]

i usually go for the latter

[frigid vector]

you cancel at every point

you get basics faster

she needs basics for stack build

[midnight stirrup]

Bruh im so confused still on how tf Laev works

[frigid vector]

p5 isn't giving xaihi more cryo stack build

oh sorry laev

not lr

but yes same thing

[midnight stirrup]

Yea not lr

I know about lr, shes my current main

[frigid vector]

ou only get more basics with lae if you kill enemies

which means other than marble opener (where you're running around all the time) and triaggelos phase 2 you're cooked

it's just dmg increase

[midnight stirrup]

I mean

I'm expecting them to add aoe endgame content at some point

So it'll shine there

[tranquil burrow]

Maybe they'll do more bosses with adds

[twilit quail]

but all of the shit I have tried recently just makes me want to stay far far away from artificing anything for ardelia

[midnight stirrup]

But rn its kinda... cooked on weeklies

[frigid vector]

yeah but you'll still want to do more basics always

[twilit quail]

I hope she retires

[midnight stirrup]

Its nice for essences tho

[twilit quail]

before I have to artifice anything for her

[frigid vector]

so ani cancelling her b2 is pretty much always going to be better

same with her combo and b5

(in ult)

well combo outside of ult too

[midnight stirrup]

Okay ill get back to you about this

Cause rn I dont even understand laev comp in general

[tight haven]

ardelia is a fraud

[midnight stirrup]

So getting into cancels rn too complicated

for me

[tight haven]

put gil in her place everywhere and never looked back

[midnight stirrup]

I kinda wanna 90/90 my LR supports

But im lowkey concerned theyre getting replaced QUICK

[twilit quail]

ardelia really is like a

[tranquil burrow]

Just go Laev Wulf Akekuri/Antal Ardelia and have a comfortable experience

[twilit quail]

we use it cause there isnt anything better

and we dont have units in the game

[midnight stirrup]

Im aware how the comp is setup

Im saying I dont know how the comp operates

[frigid vector]

to be honest her buff value is absurd

+corrosion too

AND arts unit

[ripe parrot]

build heat, take heat with laev, reach 4 melting flame stacks with the heat you took, press enhanced BS and CS, ???, profit ult

[frigid vector]

she's actually giga busted for a release unit

just SP hungry

[tranquil burrow]

Even if better units come out the earliest is 1.1 and that's more than a month away, you have enough time to use current units. By the time new units come around you'll have amassed enough resources to build them. They renew.

[frigid vector]

and single target only

[tranquil burrow]

and it'll be 1 unit at a time

[twilit quail]

idk Ive never bought this

even when xiranite was omega back in cbt

[tranquil burrow]

I honestly really like Ardelia's battle skill

[quasi quarry]

i mean do we have any buff quality that exceptional for arts? and she's pretty versatile

[frigid vector]

regardless of xiranite

[twilit quail]

Ive never been convinced by this unit

[frigid vector]

she gives 20% sus

and corrosion which is what

[tranquil burrow]

16%

Wait, is it M3

[quasi quarry]

yes

[tranquil burrow]

[frigid vector]

it increases at most levels

it's actually 12 at first

then goes up to 20 at m3

[midnight stirrup]

See thats the thing. I dont know wtf melting flame stacks or heat is. Or how to consume it, or in what order etc etc

I only know cryo application bro

LR ftw

[midnight stirrup]

Dw about it tho, ill look up a guide eventually

Im just button mashing rn

[tranquil burrow]

So I could go from 16% rn and to 28% all of a sudden if I pick her from selector and M3 her

hmmmmmm

[frigid vector]

but yeah you get

[twilit quail]

oh man and I was just reminded of recently developments

[frigid vector]

24% res shred from corro

then 20% sus from battle skill

+xiranite

[twilit quail]

which mean that with hands and good timeline

[frigid vector]

+whatever the hell you're running on arts unit

[tranquil burrow]

And it's rather long lasting

[frigid vector]

she's genuinely busted

[twilit quail]

lae BP weapon can be better than sig sometimes

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt the corrosion res shred dissapear when u consume it with battle skill?

[quasi quarry]

is there like a picture a chart anything for corrosion

[tranquil burrow]

unlike Gilberta

[twilit quail]

Im going to bed I dont want to think about this anymore

[frigid vector]

it does but she reapplies it cause of combo skill cd

[quasi quarry]

cause i have no idea how much it gives

[frigid vector]

example from a video but

[midnight stirrup]

Big brain strat

Didnt think of that

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/0eKta4tH_aM?si=gSr6sxowsFpl2rBY&t=390

[twilit quail]

the corrosion can be pretty high uptime

[frigid vector]

consumes at like

06:34

[quasi quarry]

oh wait its based on arts intensity

[tranquil burrow]

has anyone here m3'd ardelia bs then

[midnight stirrup]

Why do people ult on Ardelia

[frigid vector]

by 06:47

[midnight stirrup]

That shit does nothing no

[frigid vector]

its back up

for that specific rotation

you need it for stagger build

else rho jumps before you have the time to stagger him

[midnight stirrup]

Her ult inflicts stagger?

[twilit quail]

activates stanza and that's good

[frigid vector]

every ult does

[midnight stirrup]

Oh wtf

[twilit quail]

ok so

[midnight stirrup]

I wasnt aware

[twilit quail]

swordmancer ardelia

is used for speedruns

it can do a lot of stagger

[frigid vector]

it's legit

[midnight stirrup]

Does every ult have different stagger damage value

[frigid vector]

stagger is busted in this game esp for quick kills

yes

[midnight stirrup]

Or is it all the same

How high is Ardelias

Can I see this ingame

[frigid vector]

depends on how many of the little sheep you hit

[midnight stirrup]

Oh word

[tranquil burrow]

it can make or break a run too, imagine you ult and boss decides its time to fly

[midnight stirrup]

Yo thats so interesting. I wasnt even aware that was a thing

[twilit quail]

you just take swordmancer and pray to god

[twilit quail]

that you hit the right amount

[frigid vector]

2 stagger per sheep

[twilit quail]

not too much

not too little

[midnight stirrup]

Bumbaclart

[frigid vector]

that's why I had to ult on ardelia there

[twilit quail]

just the right amount of sheep

[frigid vector]

she wasn't using stanza

[twilit quail]

shit is funny

[frigid vector]

but it was necessary

because rho is scripted to jump after a certain amount of time

[midnight stirrup]

Do we have an up to date rotation for LR btw

[frigid vector]

he has about 3 or so potential openers and they all end with an explosion + jump

[midnight stirrup]

last rot I saw was kinda iffy to perform

[frigid vector]

so ardelia ult is unironically needed for stagger

[tranquil burrow]

in the end it's all just ember upscale is what i'm getting at

[frigid vector]

damn right