theorycrafting

[sudden lichen]

I think they should just remove the bills penalty on package damage for the player that sent the job

[midnight stirrup]

Enemies were tanky in early game too

Idk how this changes things

[sudden lichen]

making the deliverer only have the penalty, like paying for the damage

[midnight stirrup]

Did you get ur laev pity

[old salmon]

gear makes a huge difference

[sudden lichen]

gear can double your damage

[midnight stirrup]

No it doesnt

Cause regardless of what gear youre at

The enemies stayed tanky

Thats why they nerfed it

[old salmon]

gear can increase your damage?

[midnight stirrup]

...

Can you read what im saying

Instead of answering past it

[old salmon]

tanky as in high hp or what i might be slow

[midnight stirrup]

It doesnt matter whether ur green blue or gold gear

[old salmon]

either way more easy overworld gameplay

[drifting quest]

you forget they have to choose to raise their exploration level by completing an optional challenge

[midnight stirrup]

The exploration level ur at still has the enemies be tanky

Bc their hp is massive

Yes u get more damage for gear

U still need to do a full rot on enemies to kill them

Hence why they nerfed them

If it wasnt an issue they wouldnt have

[woeful plume]

im ngl

idk why we are complaining over

hp sponges being less hp sponges

[old salmon]

im not complaining about it

[midnight stirrup]

Nobody is complaining

[old salmon]

i like the change

[woeful plume]

even as meta player i prefer this

[sudden lichen]

neither am I, I think it's good

[midnight stirrup]

They werent understanding what I was saying

[old salmon]

yeah absolutely

[sudden lichen]

farm should be less grindy, challenge events are here for that

[woeful plume]

ok so now is the perfect time to get max energy when going into a domain

[old salmon]

praying umbral event aint ass 🙏

[woeful plume]

avy thunderlances arent gonna prepare themselves

[sudden lichen]

if it's the same as in beta, it was neat

[drifting quest]

im sorry for your dissapointment

[sudden lichen]

some pretty tricky stuff, some easy

[old salmon]

🥹

its okay

i huff copium

[kind ferry]

make turrets deal actual damage so i can auto essences 😭

[old salmon]

surely guys

[dry kindle]

They do

Stop using fuckin heavy guns

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway

[kind ferry]

what does damage?

[dry kindle]

He grenade sentry and beam

[old salmon]

you can place like 10 defence units right?

[sudden lichen]

I used lvl 20 phys team to farm phys reaction medal on lvl 70 essence with turrets, what are you on about

[old salmon]

im pretty sure you can definitely auto it with 10

[urban plaza]

Can someone explain how the Lae Gilberta team works for getting stacks?

Wulf and Antal do the usual stuff, but how do I get the last stack. Unbuffed Lae BS seems very SP expensive

I would have asked in #team-build but it's getting flooded with WHICH UNIT SHOULD I CHOOSE FROM SELECTOR?!?

[drifting quest]

its overworld only team

or speedrun team

[woeful plume]

u dont

[sudden lichen]

gotta love team build strategy

[woeful plume]

evil and intimidating answer

[midnight stirrup]

WHICH UNIT DO I SELECT FOR SELECTOR

[kind ferry]

i swear my turrets deal no damage

[woeful plume]

guys i saw one vid on youtube dot com should i choose ember?

[bronze plume]

Yuh

[sudden lichen]

you're using the right turrets right?

[midnight stirrup]

Yes cause she has the biggest booba

[midnight stirrup]

W congrats

[woeful plume]

ember clothing is actually wilding though

[urban plaza]

Im asking especially for bosses
But i still don't get how it works for more than 1 rotation

[drifting quest]

it doesnt

its a speedrun comp

[glad niche]

Ember is #team-build mascot

[drifting quest]

you 1 rot

[kind ferry]

i tried every turret, both grenades, beams and tesla

[woeful plume]

can we theorycraft the tailor behind it

[fleet heron]

Is there a way to cap out Alesh's passive bonus while also keeping the frontier set bonus? Or do you have to give up the frontier set bonus and just go for intellect pieces to try to cap it out?

[drifting quest]

frontier

[sudden lichen]

?

[drifting quest]

what

[woeful plume]

you know frontier gives like

60% secondary attribute rite

[next helm]

Maybe they don't know

[drifting quest]

so like

[sudden lichen]

with the enemy nerf to lvl 60 turret farm is even more effective

[drifting quest]

frontier sucks

not worth chasing its 3p

ult gain w/ good stats for passive

[sudden lichen]

it's actual bullying now

[midnight stirrup]

This aint aic chat

Cease this turret talk rn

[terse furnace]

it's really good at lowering Fluorite's 40 second combo

[next helm]

I hate that sprinklers are a massive building

[fleet heron]

Doesn't he need like 600 intellect to cap out his passive? I wasn't sure if that was enough.

[next helm]

lemme make a pretty farm with paths etc

[drifting quest]

sprinklers just suck because you cant pipe split outside of hub

[woeful plume]

dont think anything is enough to hit 600 int

[sudden lichen]

what

[woeful plume]

unless ur wep has int also

[drifting quest]

this is where im going to be told you can

despite being told you cant like 8 times

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-takdes-takundes-endfield-last-rite-gif-5102120420616021417

[kind ferry]

you can

[sudden lichen]

let me log in rq

[dry kindle]

You can

[tight haven]

its just an overworld/aoe comfort team

[dry kindle]

Just place from facility list

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/fangyi-can-you-stop-fucking-around-gif-2298645845255946638

[tight haven]

ardelia is typically better for bossing

[midnight stirrup]

You can

[drifting quest]

im so glad i asked

8 times

and got told no

8 times

haha

i love it here

can you tell

[kind ferry]

you could just try

[woeful plume]

and this is where i will say "wow u took an officialcord members word for it?"

[glad niche]

You just need to open the construction list and can take splits from there infinitely

[sudden lichen]

was it in help?

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-ardelia-eyjafjalla-sheep-gif-15941863273880461428

[drifting quest]

mix of channels

[gritty olive]

I hate ccb arclight

[woeful plume]

imagine he asked in gen chat

chills

[drifting quest]

i need to finish my risk 15's

i only did patriot

[sudden lichen]

I only got half for now

[drifting quest]

i whiffed ls4 because of mostima masteries

[dry kindle]

I need to do everything

But endfield

[outer ermine]

i just remembered to finish rotations and 620

[dry kindle]

[tight haven]

bricked

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine Did u get p5 last rite

[tight haven]

missed out on rotation rewards

[outer ermine]

i may have missed ato medals already tho

[dry kindle]

Fuckin collab soon as well

[outer ermine]

is it over

[dry kindle]

Fml

[outer ermine]

[dry kindle]

[tight haven]

no you havent

[dry kindle]

Send help

[outer ermine]

yea i did

[tight haven]

all of them can be finished today

wdym

[midnight stirrup]

Hifumi

[tight haven]

none of them are like timegated

[midnight stirrup]

Hello

[drifting quest]

i missed ato medal because im not doing the minigame

[midnight stirrup]

We are speaking

[dry kindle]

Do my mini-game for me

[outer ermine]

i responded

[midnight stirrup]

Where

The

Helly

[tight haven]

bro fuck that minigame

[dry kindle]

I need to do 30 runs

[tight haven]

oh he was responding to you

when he said that he did

[outer ermine]

smh

[tight haven]

he has p5 lr

[outer ermine]

yea

[midnight stirrup]

Breh

Enion hijacked the convo

Typical

[outer ermine]

no reply supremacy

[terse furnace]

Gilb banner in 2 days

[tight haven]

just follow the guide

[midnight stirrup]

[midnight stirrup]

Youre late

[tight haven]

theres like a reddit guide that tells you how many turns each dude takes

[glad niche]

[next helm]

Isn't gilb tomorrow?

Or at midnight

[terse furnace]

nope, the timer is rounded down. It's 1 day+some hours atm

[midnight stirrup]

@outer ermine With the copy from yday or did u already have p5

[glad niche]

*not counting the 5 million mispelt "Amber"

[tight haven]

DUDE ARE WE STILL ON THIS

[midnight stirrup]

I mean youre late in getting her

[outer ermine]

w selector

[tight haven]

there was a guy in here like

[midnight stirrup]

Have had her since release day

[tight haven]

8 hours ago

[terse furnace]

okay

[outer ermine]

if i get her offrate when pulling gilb then too bad

[tight haven]

insisting strongly that ember was a lifeng sidegrade

[sudden lichen]

@drifting quest here's my optimal farm

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne is welcome

[drifting quest]

2 sources?

[midnight stirrup]

No laev pleek

[terse furnace]

What was his reasoning?

[sudden lichen]

lol no, need that power

[drifting quest]

i didnt think 1 source would provide for 20 plots

nice

[sudden lichen]

it does cause growth is slow, so each plot can be watered fine

[tight haven]

"lifeng and ember apply stacks at the same speed"
"lifeng and ember deal similar damage"
"ember is a sustain"
"lifeng's only uses over ember are for his buffs"

[midnight stirrup]

Tfw I be seeing more LR mains than Laev mains

[outer ermine]

it does but water is slow on some plots

power>water

[next helm]

similar damage

If ember does similar damage to 13k atk lifeng

[tight haven]

yeah i do two sources

[next helm]

I am playing the game wrong

[terse furnace]

ignoring susceptibility and the higher damage numbers, he's not necessarily wrong

But y'know, he's still wrong

[woeful plume]

filter the word ember thanks

[glad niche]

The unit that disables enemies but has a kit that relies on being hit, S tier

[sudden lichen]

the small time you're gaining from two water sources is lost instantly if you're not gathering your crops the second they're ready

[tight haven]

tbf their reasoning for the similar vuln stacking speed was needing to get hit to trigger embers combo

[sudden lichen]

meanwhile that 10 extra power use is a permanent stain

[bronze plume]

why dont we just gaslight people and say ember is the best 6 star

[tight haven]

which was just really funny to imagine that they were purposefully getting hit during rotations to keep up vuln stacks

[tight haven]

this was literally this chat 8 hours ago

[glad niche]

Its #team-build 24hrs a day

[tight haven]

we also had people heartily arguing for mi security + lynx slab on laev

it was a fever dream

[sterile herald]

big brain move

[bronze plume]

imagine waiting out the entire stagger bar just to get hit

[sterile herald]

u wouldn’t get it…

[bronze plume]

my vuln stacks are gone

i must wait out this timer

[unique coyote]

Idk where to post these so here's some difficult jumps and map escaping.

[tight haven]

truthapocalypse

[daring dove]

She seems at least decent at P5

[sudden lichen]

might be looking for #1461653979862925498 to report those

[woeful plume]

return of the king

[bronze plume]

and yet everyone else is still better at p0

[last shoal]

Can anyone give me breakdown of how should I build physical team? Like who to level first and etc.
I picked pog from selector, so I am trying to figure out how to build it properly from scratch

[terse furnace]

To be completely honest, if the argument was "Ember is better than Ard in a Phys comp" then I would completely agree - Ard's utility is a conditional susceptibility and the rest of her kit doesn't support the Phys gameplan. Ember, meanwhile, has two ways to add vuln stacks, even if one of them is extremely reliant on bad gameplay.

But Ember = Lifeng is wild shit

[unique coyote]

I more just want to show them off

[sand sentinel]

Guys lifeng p1 or ember? Who to choose from selector?

[sudden lichen]

I don't think I should grab a second last rite pot, I feel like for collection I should keep the selector to get the one I'm missing, no?

[terse furnace]

Collector/waifu purposes: Ember
Meta purposes: Lifeng

[sudden lichen]

or do I just assume I'll get all 5 anyway from limited banner pulls at some point, so might as well make my last rite stronger now

[glad niche]

Even HG hate Ember, nerfing overland content twice to make her even less relevant for bad players

[sand sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-25653232

[woeful plume]

if u like LR that much just full send

[drifting quest]

time to do sprinklers for citrome farm in valley 4 now

clueless

[glad niche]

wow flashbang

[woeful plume]

tho take my word with salt

i dont get the collectioner perspective

[daring dove]

I’m excited to take my Ardelia’s combo trigger from an 18 second CD to a 15 second one later.

[woeful plume]

i rather dont get the units i dont like

[sudden lichen]

I don't like her, but she's my main currently, and she's heavily invested

[bronze plume]

i wouldve gotten ember purely for collection sake since shes the last standard im missing

[woeful plume]

then just hold onto it imo

[bronze plume]

but ardelia pots over ember every single day

[woeful plume]

if u lose to LR in a banner, can p3 if u want

[sudden lichen]

you say that but I genuinely tried to do that before. Just grow everything in wuling

[drifting quest]

not enough space

[tight haven]

oh yeah agreed

[sudden lichen]

if you grow it all, then yeah rip, afk while they water and plant for you

[tight haven]

ember is at least better than ardelia imho

for phys

[glad niche]

for phys*

yes

[midnight stirrup]

The convo is about phys

[daring dove]

All of Ardelia’s pots are pretty good QoL except P4 honestly because you only really use ult on Ardelia when you need healing.

[open hare]

Join the Sarkaz and EAT them all

[bronze plume]

this is not the Enion i know

[drifting quest]

i would not argue for ember over ardelia

[sudden lichen]

I just like getting all the lore and character design info, also base skills

[glad niche]

I'd argue for neither

[bronze plume]

why have you pinged me with irrelevant info for me

[woeful plume]

im ngl

[open hare]

Join the Sarkaz meta and eat them all

[woeful plume]

i'd just run akekuri y'all LMAO

[drifting quest]

one vuln stack every 19s

thats my fraud

[bronze plume]

you going to run akekuri and pog?

[daring dove]

I was agreeing with the point you made edge lord

[woeful plume]

i mean the sp u give to team translates to vuln stacks Cooking

[glad niche]

one vuln stack every 19secs if the boss hits you*

[sudden lichen]

Anyway, I guess there's gilberta banner tomorrow? Or in two days. I guess I'll see then

[tight haven]

unironically its probably better if you can just rotate around her cskill somewhat feasibly

[bronze plume]

why get hit when can dodge and get sp

[woeful plume]

gilbuhta, glgl

[tight haven]

but it is really situational yeah

[drifting quest]

ardelia is better just by holding stanza

[tight haven]

god ember is just such a joke of an op

[drifting quest]

that alone

makes her more valuable than ember

[bronze plume]

im surprised they decided to make defenders a class at all

[terse furnace]

But she's hot!

[tight haven]

i mean i could see it right

[bronze plume]

i really wanna see how they make the first limited 6 star defender actually good in a combat game like this

[tight haven]

like if they ever make content with attacks you cant dodge

force the use of defenders

[sudden lichen]

defenders are great at their role

[drifting quest]

by making them not actually defenders

[bronze plume]

do they just make them a supports but slap the defender tag on it

[sudden lichen]

the only issue is currently balance makes defending not worth it

[terse furnace]

Every gacha always releases something on launch that seems good on paper, but can be circumvented by mathematical calculations and theoretical good skill

Look at Genshin as an example, why the fuck does Qiqi exist?

[sudden lichen]

when damage is just better

[woeful plume]

need a defender dps that nukes by parrying

instead of like

snowshine/catcher staying still for 45s to apply 1 stack

[terse furnace]

Iirc there was a Medic class once upon a time, which had even less place than a defender

[drifting quest]

look at base arknights and how much modern defenders have to do to be good

[bronze plume]

i doubt any mf say ember and went yeah this is good

[drifting quest]

hoshi2, yu, shu

jessica2

[sudden lichen]

hoshi 1 is still good tho

[drifting quest]

the evil ulpianus removing 90% of her value

[sudden lichen]

[bronze plume]

get those 10% gains dawg

[glad niche]

inb4 Ember carries Umbral stage2 on Agony

[drifting quest]

the only times hoshi has use is literally block 4 with 1 unit

[next helm]

If game becomes like zzz, every support +1000 batk works only with x character

[woeful plume]

i mean game by concept will be like that though

[sudden lichen]

ardelia does that by default

[drifting quest]

dont mention we can solo it

[woeful plume]

in a reaction based system its hard to be a generalist

[summer flower]

You don't need those

[midnight stirrup]

Probably shield or something and buffs. Interruption resist would also be nice

[drifting quest]

endfield isnt even reaction based and a generalist is good

ardelia is the generalist

[vagrant surge]

How the heck is chen dishing out more damage than my main dps endmin....

[summer flower]

Laev can no reaction brr with basics on ult

[sudden lichen]

I just need the right op to release so my pot 5 yvonne becomes meta

[terse furnace]

Who looks at Qiqi and go "Yeah, this is good?"

Gachas will always throw shit against the wall and see what sticks. A more recent example is CZN - Vanguards do virtually nothing in that game, but their original design purpose was to keep the team alive

It's the same shit with Ember

[drifting quest]

hell akekuri is a generalist and is arguably the best unit in the game

[summer flower]

I'm not sure even endmin on crush is better clear for essence farm than with crit set

[bronze plume]

sigh

[summer flower]

Because of time between those

[midnight stirrup]

Its 1.0 brother, power level of chars being low is normal

[daring dove]

How does the ATK% buff Stanza provides compare to her sig? I’m wondering if the DMG increase from sig is comparable to ATK% which we know is a broken stat. Because I’m thinking with P5 Ardelia’s sig at least becomes a very consistent proc. Prior to that I’d of agreed it’s not her best choice.

[drifting quest]

for arts teams most of the time sig is better

[midnight stirrup]

They aint gonna push out strong shit straight away cause it kills the longevity of char design

[drifting quest]

for phys her sig does nothing

stanza can be better on some arts teams

due to how good atk buff is

[bronze plume]

bro just said physical isnt a arts

[sudden lichen]

this issue is that stanza doesn't stack with itself

[terse furnace]

Duh, that's my point

[bronze plume]

i will get

gilbertas 3/3 essence in this run

[sudden lichen]

so you can't use 2 stanza, and since perlica uses stanza it's pointless

[summer flower]

Wuling content is easier for physicial than valley

[drifting quest]

perlica doesnt always hold stanza

[sudden lichen]

yeah, it depends on the team. When it does, the question isn't here though

[midnight stirrup]

Its not even about throwing at a wall and see what sticks. Its intentional

[terse furnace]

k

[midnight stirrup]

Duh

[bronze plume]

does perlica use unit or stanza for electric

[glad niche]

is this the part where someone posts the 9mil Perlica ult

[summer flower]

Ehh....

[sudden lichen]

the point of stanza is to use it for a different element team

[drifting quest]

stanza does not work on electric

[summer flower]

Not gonna happen

[terse furnace]

Read what Stanza does lol. Not saying that out of spite, but you'd figure it out quickly

[summer flower]

Half mil maybe?

[bronze plume]

a different element

clearly its for gilberta dmg

[midnight stirrup]

Stanza only buffs elements other than the wielders yeah

Gilberta dps lets go

[bronze plume]

gilberta

will suck

[pale falcon]

is there anwyay to autofarm meat?

[bronze plume]

literally

[midnight stirrup]

She can suck

Nvm

[sudden lichen]

what meat?

[pale falcon]

fillet, my bad

[midnight stirrup]

The timing

[drifting quest]

just do fillet runs

[glad niche]

put dogs in the shredder unit

[pale falcon]

i wish

[sudden lichen]

no auto, but it's the easiest material to get

[terse furnace]

Are you planning to pull for her?

[sudden lichen]

there's dog packs everywhere and they have 100% drop rate

[bronze plume]

i already have her

[daring dove]

Cool, I don’t really care about PHY teams right now, still have my Laevatain’s team to finish & then LR’s team to build. So PHY is quite down on the priority list. Need more resources.

[glad niche]

We need an animal farm now, for mass slaughter

[pale falcon]

i suppose im fed up of running seeming as my life is now stroking a beast for his shit, manually tending to my garden, and now i gotta hunt dogs 🤣

[terse furnace]

damn lmao, gratz

[sudden lichen]

you even get leftovers from ballista alluvium

[midnight stirrup]

Is LR better at aoe than Laev is good at ST?

[bronze plume]

tis what im rocking wit

[midnight stirrup]

Perlica art is so good

[glad niche]

This is peak internet for today

[pale falcon]

i mean im not wrong ;rofl

thats endgame

[glad niche]

real

[midnight stirrup]

You forget essence grinding

[next helm]

Why does gilb even have vuln application

[sudden lichen]

wait until we get ceobe reconv, nature striker with cerberos ult where she does triple bite and mass team heal+buff

[pale falcon]

you spend the hours grinding to ultimately be left to collect shit, kill dogs, turn the shit into fertaliser, germinate, fert and harvest a flower 🤣

[drifting quest]

flavour

[terse furnace]

I'm debating if I build a Yvonne comp for the sake of using both Gilb+Yvonne Limited 6* fomo tax

[drifting quest]

lift

gravity arts

[pale falcon]

dont even... aint got time for that 🤣

[high finch]

such games are never about sustain and always about how fast can u melt the target dummy

[midnight stirrup]

L l l l l

[next helm]

But her ult is increased by the amount of vuln stacks

[daring dove]

Some people are still saying Yvonne an LR work decently together. If that’s true maybe Yvonne’s place in the meta isn’t completely dead.

[next helm]

Could be something for the future but I don't know how

[terse furnace]

Yeah, but these games will always release a token sustain character because that's part of how gachas function - they release as much shit as possible to see what sticks

If sustains remain useful, then they can work off of that. If not, then they figure out how they can add utility to their kits to make them more useful

[terse furnace]

They work "decently" together, but it's not something I'd do because it's clunky af lmao

[high finch]

i think a damage buffer with a tiny bit of sustain like gilberta is a move

[daring dove]

Yeah it’s likely one of those situations where it technically works but is in reality horrible to use.

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne is trash. Wait for a nature dps lmao

Prob only one patch away

[terse furnace]

Also, LR+Gilb is anti-synergistic

At least you can choose to use Xaihi's combo

Even if you have to stare at it for about 5 seconds

[narrow lance]

whats laevatain build on p5?

[daring dove]

I’m definitely waiting picking up P0 Gilberta then I’m done summoning this patch. I can’t complain having P5 Lav / P5 Ardelia / P5 LR already. I have enough characters I need to build no sense in pulling more rn.

[lime bear]

is this the Male Sankta? has spear and hair looks similar, tho not halo @drifting quest

[drifting quest]

same as in pins but swap gloves out for hot work on the charge build
charge build should perform better in most cases at p5 but it's still content dependent

[pale falcon]

i take it your not f2p right?

[next helm]

No that is lighter from zzz

[drifting quest]

we dont know enough to say but probably

[lime bear]

lighter doesn't have spear

[next helm]

Lighter can hold anything he wants

[lime bear]

if it is then all should've appear in the The Mission Trailer peak

Lizhiyan appears a lot too here

[daring dove]

I’m forced to pay yes

[pale falcon]

was about to say, if you were free to play id have been pissed off with that luck 🤣

[pale falcon]

take it you buy the origeometry and then convert to pulls?

[daring dove]

Yeah lots of, getting Ardelia to P4 cost me about 250 pulls yesterday in standard. Not something I’d recommend of course.

[neat snow]

[next helm]

dropping 1k for a standard character

[neat snow]

You should have waited for Gil banner

[daring dove]

Going to get P5 when I get home with my selector.

[pale falcon]

Yeah im not spending my money on orig unless there is cosmetics 🤣

[daring dove]

All of her potentials are worse than standard character potentials.

[neat snow]

I mean at least you aren't pulling standard tho. I got p5 standards on Laev banner

[tight haven]

nah gilbs p2 is pretty great

p3 might have some applications for allowing specific rotations

[daring dove]

Yeah it’s only her P2 that seems decent, I wouldn’t say it’s any better than Ardelia’s P1 though.

[neat snow]

But yes I want p5 Ard also since I use her

[tight haven]

free 3-class 12% ult eff definitely sounds like something to be played around with

well theyre not occupying the same slot right

[neat snow]

I only need to pull her twice in Gil banner

[tight haven]

you will never use ardelia to speedrun in the same comps you could use gilb

which is what p2 is good for

[high finch]

what's this icon?

oh nvm it's package

[tight haven]

package durability

yeah

[outer ermine]

99%

[tight haven]

bricked

[neat snow]

He jumped

[high finch]

why npcs stopped mailing me money for delieveries

cause of that 1%?

[daring dove]

Yeah I just think it’s a little too early to comment on the meta game yet. While we only need 1 team right now. Who knows if Gilberta’s or Ardelia will even be considered viable when we do get a multi team end-game.

[neat snow]

Think they just did it for the first few

[tight haven]

its once per npc

[tight haven]

im not talking abt a hypothetical lol

[pale falcon]

your not a good deliveryman

[high finch]

oof,sadge. i thoughts it's my little t-credit farm

[tight haven]

gilb p2 will have a very direct hand in making speedruns work

[high finch]

BRO,THE BOX JUST SCRATCHED A BIT, CMON

[pale falcon]

pfff i expected better1 star

[daring dove]

It’s going to be on average 6% more team damage right, or do you have a different take?

[neat snow]

"you should see how they treat these things in the warehouse"

[high finch]

Atleast i got my obligations

[tight haven]

no this is about it, it + her sig might be enough to push some electro speedruns or laev speedruns i want to try

im not sure this is even like an arguable point

her p2 is just pretty nice

[drifting quest]

4 more avywenna spears

Surely we can go sub 10

[daring dove]

I can’t really comment on the electro team meta haven’t built or tried it.

[outer ermine]

1k meat req per speedrun attempt

[tight haven]

stupid rabbit needing stew

[whole crystal]

yvonne would kill you

[high finch]

nah,she would cry but i don't care

i told her she's a skip

[upbeat jungle]

I think asriel is the roaring knight

[jaunty shale]

What if roaring knight is sarkaz

[willow blade]

currently i have mastery 1 on my leavi ult and mastery 0 on skill, should i upgrade like ult then skill then ult then skill or ult all the way then skill?

[twilit quail]

my friend tells me he mightve found a way to reset the cd while outside of combat via netlimiting

and as such

it is potentially possible

to get a 0s kill

with the help of almost a hundred stew meetings

[upbeat jungle]

No way

[drifting quest]

lmfao

[glad niche]

Electro gamers going for account ban speedruns now too

[twilit quail]

the timeline should be

prepull setup

lay a hundred ult spears

input pull, ange ult before they hit

dead

productive forces, truly

endfield batman

something something enough prep time

[peak void]

could someone check if this rotation is right
laeva final strike > ardelia combo > laeva combo > ardelia skill > wulfgard ult > laeva combo > laeva skill

[midnight stirrup]

What the fuck

Just took my p5 laev for her first spin being semi built

Wtf is this damage

Essence enemies took like 15s

Dont even know how to use her team L O L

[next helm]

something something money dps

[midnight stirrup]

Potentials on average dont do this

Just a laev thing

[drifting quest]

15s sounds about normal for laev on essence

[neat snow]

My Laev is almost maxed at 5600 attack and yeah her ult completely one hits the entire essence 😂

The extended timer you get on it makes it last so long

[midnight stirrup]

Bro the fact her p5 gives extra ult seconds on kills

You rly feel that shit

[drifting quest]

15s is 1 ult

which is about right

clearing the entire thing before it ends

at p0

[midnight stirrup]

She got out of ult

So maybe not 15s

[tight haven]

get the ult set on her

[midnight stirrup]

Is there a cap on her p5 extra time

[neat snow]

7 seconds

[tight haven]

you literally dont even use her full ebskill during ult

its a dps loss compared to spamming basics LOL

[midnight stirrup]

L o l

She on the general set rn

Cause I didnt artifice

[tight haven]

its soooo much fun highly recommend

[midnight stirrup]

My last rite doesnt do this damage and shes p3r3

She does 200k st hits

Could reach 800 tho I didnt essence yet

[neat snow]

Also I got wulf gard essence today finally

[midnight stirrup]

I didnt pick cannibal but det unit refine

Baka me

Atleast im close to the box pity on lr weap banner

Think that has it

[twilit quail]

clannibal is a fake weapon anyway

[midnight stirrup]

Whats his bis

In laev

[modern wagon]

Whats the rotation for this build? With wulf ardrlia and akekuri

[twilit quail]

sometimes it's clannibal cause eyja is benched

sometimes it's obj

[midnight aspen]

Chat, is last rite's damage completely cooked if you don't have her signature? I really don't feel like spending the currency right now

[midnight stirrup]

I dont use eyja with laev but lr

Laev gets antal or gilb

[twilit quail]

but the average player should take obj

i think

[drifting quest]

anytime you would actually use clannibal there's just something else you can be doing thats better

[tight haven]

yeah def

[midnight stirrup]

Ic

[drifting quest]

realistically

[neat snow]

I have p4 cannibal just from pulling laevs weapons

[tight haven]

clannibal is a "you should know what youre doing" pick

obj just works no matter what

[midnight stirrup]

Mtsdhed is that u

[twilit quail]

charge set antal wulf ake does actually get to activate clannibal in a productive capacity

so it's definitely not useless

[midnight stirrup]

I should use antal wulf akehuri right

[neat snow]

No get that ugly lizard away from me

[drifting quest]

where's the downtime to clannibal

[midnight stirrup]

This isnt about you

[drifting quest]

in the timeline

[tight haven]

ake bskill wulf cskill ake bskill laev n5 arde cskill laev cskill laev n5 laev n5 laev bskill ult

[drifting quest]

like combo active + ult active + 5 > 2
antal combo up for 3
akekuri skill so like 250sp plus existing combustion?

[tight haven]

basically just work up stacks until you can cskill + ebskill

that is enough to ult

[drifting quest]

i guess you can do it during ult with spare sp and buffs active

[frigid vector]

calcs had placed sundered prince at around 75-80% of her sig

[drifting quest]

still feels incredibly unrealistic but also like

you dont need the extra charge from obj anyway

technically

p5 w/ full artificed seals can 1 rot

[tight haven]

yeah clans just the "optimal until we have something else i guess" option

i kinda hope they dont make a stanza/thermite gun

its a bit boring having no variance lol

[twilit quail]

PLEASE make a stanza gun

bring back cbt3 lae

[midnight aspen]

that's still quite a big jump in damage

[midnight stirrup]

My sundered is p4 lol

Farming lr sig

[twilit quail]

clannibal probably gets the slot more permanently

once rossi is here

[midnight stirrup]

Rossi my midget queen

P5 day one

@tight haven

Whats laev best team antal akehuri wulf no

[tight haven]

ake wulf preference

i like gilb as my 4th a lot

[drifting quest]

every p0 min investment laev player on their way to brick their clears with gilb

[tight haven]

i hate having to preface it but youre right

you do need a hefty amount of investment in seals for wulf and gilb to make the team work

fucking everyone on my team is on seals except gilb actually

[unreal light]

Hey, what masteries are crucial for Chen / Endmi/ Lifeng / Pog?

[drifting quest]

ake laev and wulf having identical builds bar the glove slot (which is a nothingburger change for wulf anyway) is hilarious to me

[midnight stirrup]

Gilb feels ass on laev ngl

Since ult already has massive range

Like yea it helps

[drifting quest]

its a high investment thing

[midnight stirrup]

But it also fucks ur rotation afaik

So antal is better right

I cant use ardelia shes perm with lr

[drifting quest]

for lower investment antal or ardelia

[midnight stirrup]

What do we consider high investment in this context

In gilb?

[tight haven]

yeah my laev and wulf are fucking pumped

[tight haven]

wulf on enough seals to 1rot ult consistently

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[drifting quest]

p4 wulf cant 1rot

[tight haven]

laev with maxed hot work

[midnight stirrup]

Im running

P5r1 laev p5r0 wulf p5r0 akehuri p0bp2 gilb

Wait actually I think bp gilb is p4

[tight haven]

potential 4???

oops

[tight haven]

potential 4???

[midnight stirrup]

Paid battlepass makes ur bp weapon p4

[tight haven]

OH

i thought you meant fuckin

p4 gilberta

[midnight stirrup]

Reading is hard

Jk

[tight haven]

no its p3

[midnight stirrup]

Nope

P4

[tight haven]

what

[twilit quail]

that shit is why I didnt straight up recommend it in the doc cos it actually requires a degree of intelligence

[midnight stirrup]

U get 1 copy from middle 1 copy from buying paid

[tight haven]

2 copies of a weapon

[twilit quail]

to intuit

[tight haven]

then 2 boxes

[midnight stirrup]

And 2 refines through level

[twilit quail]

oh this is how I need to use these ults

[midnight stirrup]

Oh wait yea thats p3

Ur right

[tight haven]

yeah

[midnight stirrup]

I counted p0

[tight haven]

yeah its not nearly as spammable as ardelia

who just works without thinking

[twilit quail]

Im contemplating telling people who want to play yvonne

[tight haven]

and her ult basically doesnt matter

[twilit quail]

to use 2 seasons of bp box

to p5 navigator

cause it's buffed

and 90% perf at p5

[unreal light]

Uhhh please 🙏

[tight haven]

not baaaad

[drifting quest]

90% is better than expected

[twilit quail]

lae is similar but you have to like

[drifting quest]

in what team

[twilit quail]

do mental gymnastics alternative rotation

to get it to 88%

and it's not great

[drifting quest]

i was going to say navi prob saturates too much dmg% but

artzy does that even more

[sterile herald]

is there any point in levelling pog weapon when he’s on thermite / arts intensity? what’s his damage share

[twilit quail]

like 5%

if that

[sterile herald]

so basically no

[twilit quail]

actually

[sterile herald]

ok thanks

oh

[twilit quail]

7 or 8%

[sterile herald]

hmm

[twilit quail]

but yes dont invest that much lmao

[sterile herald]

maybe if i’ve got nothing else to level

super last priority

[tight haven]

m1 pog ult
m3 lifeng bskill
m3 chen ult
m3 endmin ult

[sterile herald]

thank you

[twilit quail]

fortmaker would be less than 5%

[drifting quest]

levels so you can max the essence

[tight haven]

depending on lifengs invest you might just

[drifting quest]

thats about it

[tight haven]

want to m12 lifeng

[sterile herald]

m1 pog skill too no?

[tight haven]

down the line

[tight haven]

doesnt improve sp regen

[sterile herald]

i swear it did something

[drifting quest]

people were saying its 80/90 wep to 9/9/4

[tight haven]

oh im blind

m1 pog bskill

yeah it slightly increases sp regen

[unreal light]

What does the mastery add to them?

Like why m1 pog, and why m3 others

Except for the percentage

[tight haven]

m1 pog bskill and ult for sp regen

[tight haven]

m3 lifeng bskill for phy susc

[sterile herald]

is the wiki outdated?

[tight haven]

yeah i saw

no its not

[drifting quest]

talos wiki should be fine

prydwen has old data

[tight haven]

m3 chen and endmin ults for damage

[sterile herald]

so m1 skill does add sp regen then

[tight haven]

yes i said as much above mb

[bronze plume]

Shock prydwen is outdated

[unreal light]

Oh thank you

[tight haven]

the final sp regen upgraded for pogs skills are m1 yeah

[bronze plume]

Do i

[sterile herald]

ok so what’s the full list then of important masteries?

[tight haven]

and hes not a notable damage dealer in phys so you can leave him at low invest

[bronze plume]

Continue to uphrade my electric team

Or work towards m12 ardelia and laevatain

[tight haven]

m1 pog bskill + ult
m3 lifeng bskill
m3 chen ult
m3 endmin ult

[unreal light]

Eh I don’t really want the raw dmg increase, I’d prefer the change in skills like pog does

[tight haven]

oh then you can leave them

[twilit quail]

save crowns for whoever replaces endmin/da pan

smile

[tight haven]

chens ult takes precedence over endmins if you eventually want raw damage increases iirc

[unreal light]

Okay thank you 🙏 you’re my savior

Da pan goes to hell

[tight haven]

truthquasar

[drifting quest]

all this and the replacement will replace chen

[tight haven]

we need endmins bum ass out that team

[drifting quest]

and it'll be catastrophic

[unreal light]

No god please no

Chenter

6*

[bronze plume]

Endmins bum ass aint even in the team to begin with

[tight haven]

chen with a water gun

🔥

[bronze plume]

I actually wonder

[unreal light]

And a swimsuit

[bronze plume]

If umbral will give enuf crowns for 2 m12s

[twilit quail]

thanks to 80 ult cost endmin is not that far off

in most situations

but da pan p5 is just so good

[unreal light]

He wears zero pants

[bronze plume]

Will get p5 endmin so hes better then dapan

But then a phys 6 star limited thats just miles beyter anyway

[unreal light]

That’s sus

[sterile herald]

my thoughts

[bronze plume]

Big brain marketing

[glad niche]

p3 Endmin

[sterile herald]

nothing to do with my p2 da pan o swear

😅

[bronze plume]

Take my dapans

I think hes p5

[drifting quest]

ill probably play endmin for now so i dont have to chase exemplar

[sterile herald]

i don’t want him

[bronze plume]

Neither do i

[drifting quest]

and then maybe save resources if endmin gets the mc treatment with multiple forms

[sterile herald]

send me your li fengs i’ll send you my ardelias

😀

[bronze plume]

Hes yo problem now gang

[bronze plume]

I only got 1

But sure

[sterile herald]

if only it was that easy

😓

[bronze plume]

Im glad it aint

[sterile herald]

grrr

[bronze plume]

A gacha games social medias would just be fileed with people shit talking whales even more then we do

[glad niche]

Guess what 2 characters i dont have

[tight haven]

surely gilb p3 wont make me want to kill myself

[sterile herald]

67

[bronze plume]

People wpuld go "you showing us all this but not giving it to us you suck"

[bronze plume]

Why r u stressing over a p3 limited

[sterile herald]

i meant moreso the ability to trade them 1 for 1 at the cost of some ingame currency or something

shrug

[tight haven]

im going 4 it.

[sterile herald]

bad idea anyways

[bronze plume]

The ongame currency

Will be a paid one

Big brain

[tight haven]

willing to throw 240 pulls into the ring

[twilit quail]

the evil charge rate pot

operation cinder all over again

[tight haven]

it looks so fun

bagpipe ass pot

[bronze plume]

I did 240 on laev and got her 2 times :)

[tight haven]

ohh

[bronze plume]

Laevatain, Lifeng, Gilberta, Laevatain

In 240

[twilit quail]

let's see if my laptop can run endfield

I was on 2 flights today

[tight haven]

my laev pulls felt like a fever dream

just the best worst luck ever

[bronze plume]

The 2nd laevatain was the 240th free token

[tight haven]

only lost one 50/50

but it still took 480 to p5

[drifting quest]

480

[bronze plume]

480 isnt bad gang

[neat snow]

Yeah me too

[tight haven]

i know...

[drifting quest]

[neat snow]

Had to get the token twice

[tight haven]

but i wanted a better 6* rate...

so i could p5 her weapon...

[bronze plume]

I hate whales bro i stg real i cant stand u mfs

[tight haven]

dude 38 fucking pulls and her weapon still aint p5 im gonna die

[bronze plume]

It only took me 480 pulls to max pot a limited 6 star it shouldve been better then ehat it alrwady was

Nah ID BE THE MF FLAMING THE WHALES IF TRADING WAS A THING

[tight haven]

u should alr flame whales

[bronze plume]

Ok

Fuck you enion

[tight haven]

😞

[bronze plume]

Wheres my ardelia pots

YOU TOOK THEM FROM ME

[tight haven]

[with a mysteriously p5 ardelia shaped belly] idk

[drifting quest]

its the pin

i click on the pins

[bronze plume]

Take this stupid looky lifeng and last rite

[drifting quest]

its so good

[tight haven]

PLEASE BRO

i need lifeng pots

[bronze plume]

And give me my ardelias

[tight haven]

i need his p3

DEAL!!!

you can have the one ardelia i got

from logging in

👍

[bronze plume]

I dont get it

[unreal light]

Hey shouldn’t I also m1 pog ulti?

[tight haven]

its the avy 1tap strat

[bronze plume]

Oh is this a bullying thatvboss with the food buff 13 second avy video thing

[tight haven]

i did say that yes

[unreal light]

For the extra sp gen

[drifting quest]

yes

stacking spears before pulling

[unreal light]

Oh I missed that Tysm

[bronze plume]

I get it now

[twilit quail]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1YMf9BXEnv?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.sections&vd_source=0a995a33d647e9b554399148d1ac0855&p=2

[bronze plume]

Its 5am

Imma go sleep goodbye

Friday

Pain

[swift tundra]

Thoughts on hot works arts intensity set on Pog?

[tight haven]

needs further testing

theoretically a p4 pog set iirc?

[twilit quail]

p4 you should take 3x pulse

with sig or therm

with artificed charge rate hand

[tight haven]

oh right

not hot works

[drifting quest]

pulser should just be 20 more arts intensity

[tight haven]

it is yea

cuz chest has arts int, hot works doesnt

[twilit quail]

should also work for p0 pog with fortmaker

for a fatty 190 intensity

[tight haven]

silly ass build

[drifting quest]

Im prob gonna be on fortmaker

[tight haven]

about to have 12 hours no endfield its over

i hate long flights

[drifting quest]

No thermite no mb/valiant no rascent no exemplar

Bricked physical

[twilit quail]

I mean canal is only slightly worse

it's fine really

[tight haven]

also p5 sundered

[drifting quest]

I was just gonna run bricked endmin

Buy valiant

Fortmaker + boxcutter last 2

[twilit quail]

former finery incident

[tight haven]

works!

[drifting quest]

Endmin is getting dropped anyway so I cope roi on endmin over dapan when we get nature carry endmin next

[tight haven]

dude if endmin actually gets alt element forms im like

actually i aint doing shit but that still doesnt make any sense

[twilit quail]

originium flavoured nature from wuling plotline would actually make perfect sense

I think

[neat snow]

Endmin like the avatar she will master all element

[tight haven]

xiranite ass endmin

i dont want it purely because i hope they make more elements

[twilit quail]

glorpmin

[tight haven]

and dont box themselves into the current spread

[atomic agate]

is OBJ edge of lightness good on akekuri?

[tight haven]

yes but thermite is better

[twilit quail]

it's not the worst

[tight haven]

or fortmaker potentially

for the ult efficiency

[twilit quail]

dmg% is omega diluted anyway

[drifting quest]

obj has ult too

i say

now immediately doubting my statment

[tight haven]

it fucking what

[twilit quail]

the evil akekuri intensity build

[drifting quest]

it doesnt

[lofty frigate]

hi guys how much ult charge does lifeng need to ult at the same time every cycle? same as pog?

[tight haven]

yeah no it doesnt

[drifting quest]

but also fortmaker doesnt open up any new lines

it gets really close to 1 rot

i think

[twilit quail]

same as pog

[tight haven]

yeah once you have max artifices its whatever

[twilit quail]

but it's more important cause his ult applies stack

pog can be a bit below

[tight haven]

use obj if you want

[lofty frigate]

ty

[drifting quest]

4 team skills + 1 akekuri combo on full seals + fortmaker is 88.8 energy

out of 90

[tight haven]

lmfao

just need that ult eff L sword

[amber vapor]

I personally deprive my 4* support units of a weapon of higher rarity than them simply as punishment for even existing

[drifting quest]

3 team skills is 48 energy

whereas just seals is 40

so honestly if you dont have thermite

maybe it is fortmaker

[unreal light]

Why don’t I level up endmin ulti?

Doesn’t it have increased damage after his combo

[drifting quest]

yeah

now that i look at it again

why run OBJ

[tight haven]

i said endmin ult

[tight haven]

no reason to unless youre really lazy

[unreal light]

I’m dumbass

[tight haven]

like its not a meaningfully worse option

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah obj is the one you slap on until you artifice and essence

[unreal light]

[tight haven]

both have merits

[drifting quest]

but artifice and essence is expensive

[tight haven]

yep

[twilit quail]

hooooly

[tight haven]

obj kinda just needs a +3 flow essence

lol

[unreal light]

What else provides energy? basic attacks and combo skills

[drifting quest]

combos and skills

[unreal light]

Bro lives in the server room

[drifting quest]

combos are only for whoever does the combo
skills are for entire team

[torn raft]

Any operator who doesnt need 1st and 2nd row essence upgrade is top tier

[unreal light]

Ty

And how much should I do skills for ult to renew

[drifting quest]

depends on team and comp and build

[twilit quail]

im in shanghai

so im probably really close yeah

[unreal light]

Does the element matter?

[drifting quest]

yes because different elements have different rotations

hence different amounts of skills

[amber vapor]

Ni hao fine shyt

[unreal light]

No I mean

[torn raft]

US has trash internet mafia

[unreal light]

Does physical skill give less energy to non-physical teammates

[torn raft]

Asians keep bragging to me about their 5 ping for 10% of the price

[drifting quest]

skills are 6.5 energy to entire team, element does not matter

combos are 10 energy to the character who combo'd

[amber vapor]

I get like 10ms on east coast servers

[tight haven]

we need to kill comcast

[unreal light]

Thank you

[torn raft]

I had to threaten to cancel to not get charged $110 per month

[drifting quest]

USA gapped

[amber vapor]

We pay like $40 a month for a gig up and down lmao

[tight haven]

its annoying because you literally cant throw money at the problem in some areas

[torn raft]

No fiber in my area

[tight haven]

yep

[unreal light]

And how is different amount of skills really differs?

I mean, the skill points recharge at the same time between elements, if we don’t count vanguard

[tight haven]

you could buy the most expensive options and youre still limited

[unreal light]

Damn do they really charge 100$?

[drifting quest]

per rot (or roughly per time) different teams have different amount of skills fit in

and per rot is how we tend to group up things

7 skills is a bit arbitrary
but if 3 skills is 1 rot then being short of a 2rot ult is more parseable

[amber vapor]

Yeah some skills and combos refund sp so you have less downtime in a rotation

[unreal light]

Thank you for your knowledge

[torn raft]

And sorry to get off topic, yeah they bank on people being too lazy or making it inconvenient they just pay it

[unreal light]

Greedy bastards

[tight haven]

youre right though

just threaten to cancel lol

[ocean hawk]

thats not that expensive ?, in my country 100$ just enough for 300Mbps

[tight haven]

theyll almost always take you at a discount rather than lose you to a competitor

[twilit quail]

the funny model in wuling bill shop is speaking to me like the green goblin mask

[woeful plume]

fully etched laeva essence.... what now

where do i even spend sanity now

[tight haven]

mad as shit they didnt put a bean in there for release

[twilit quail]

money

you need infinite money

in this game

I have more than 2 mil and I am still stressed

[tight haven]

maxed wuling is gonna feel so good

[drifting quest]

i have like 2mil and i cant even afford a fraction of the phys team

[tight haven]

tcreds

you always need more

[torn raft]

I wonder if anyone has bought the pillar yet

[twilit quail]

man it feels so bad to buy the 120k artificing consumable

but there really isnt anything else to spend it on

[amber vapor]

Had 4.8mil saved up in Wuling and went all the way down to 45k stockpiling on tickets

[unreal light]

In Russia we’re paying like 7$ for 300mbs

Might be 10$ already, due to the exchange rate

[tight haven]

i buy out discounted artificing cores > gifts > undiscounted artificing cores

[ocean hawk]

thats so cheap, why my country isnt like that

[torn raft]

Im prob gonna try to stack some extra wuling engraving permits too

[woeful plume]

i either pick LR and build LR, or pick pog and build 4 units from scratch

[torn raft]

Gotta be ready for tangtang weapon

[tight haven]

yeah id get maybe 10 to work with

idk

[woeful plume]

ye i think im just gonna wait man

gonna spam t creds

[ocean hawk]

why stocking on the tickets rather than artificer

any reasons ?

[torn raft]

Can do both

[summer flicker]

[amber vapor]

Future proofing

[torn raft]

Will get 95% first

[summer flicker]

stockin gon all artifice

[torn raft]

Then buy as much of 90% i can for artificing

[ocean hawk]

ah

[summer flicker]

after that, ima essence engrave

[torn raft]

I havent depleted the 99% lol

[summer flicker]

Lmao

[tight haven]

im not touching my 99% stock