theorycrafting

[frozen tide]

You don't need crit set

[sterile patrol]

truth nuke

[next helm]

I still have oblivion in shop

[fresh lynx]

is Ember as a lifeng alternative actually cope? i have Ember / Pog / Endmin / Chen already and idk if i wanna use a selector on Lifeng

[twilit quail]

ok see if you wrangle the calcs in the most advantageous way

double slab can look good

[next helm]

How much better is lifengs sig than valiant or 5 star

[frozen tide]

Lifeng is way better for damage

If you struggle a lot with dodging and die a lot ember might be good idk

[dry kindle]

i wanna download the sheets to see what the fuck but i cant even

[twilit quail]

if you just like

ignore the nature of fire set

and its damage distribution being uneven

and then cut the timer off arbitrarily

then yeah slab is looking good!

[frozen tide]

[twilit quail]

it's possible that it is better with the correct timeline

[frozen tide]

Has calcs been done for hot work vs ult maxing for laev

[dry kindle]

wat

[twilit quail]

but this is nowhere near rigorous enough to be convincing

[frozen tide]

What do the numbers mean mason

[hidden lantern]

Ember is simply bad for the situation of wanting to dish the most damage. For survival boost she's okay, but she'll mostly be wasting space while your other 3 dishes out damage and combos that matter.

Did you know? If an enemy hits you, Ember will combo to that enemy. NOT your target. So she's RNG in group fights if you were hoping for her to just naturally smash your target with her combo once you're eventually hit

[dry kindle]

is this

a fucking solo timeline

[sterile patrol]

pretty much

[twilit quail]

it's such a nothingburger

[dry kindle]

people already using it as source here

so

yay

kill me

[sterile patrol]

random numbers means it's right

[next helm]

It doesn't ?

[dry kindle]

my will to live when crit set is somehow top

[twilit quail]

ok i looked

[unkempt oak]

crit supp soon surely

[twilit quail]

there are more problems

[dry kindle]

[dawn patrol]

y'all how much should i be expecting from 1 laev enh skl

[drifting quest]

It depends

[dry kindle]

on or off ult

[drifting quest]

On too much

[dry kindle]

i never mathed ult bskill

[dawn patrol]

lvl 90 no masteries

[dry kindle]

bleh

[dry kindle]

uh

at least 10

get an essence 😭

[dawn patrol]

LOL i've been farming for tcreds lately

[dry kindle]

essence

now

[drifting quest]

Ake buffs? Ardelia debuffs? Enemy fought? Crit? Essence level? Artificing? Other weapons?

[dawn patrol]

i'll get an essence later (surely)

[sterile patrol]

i have 150 cdmg on my lae

[drifting quest]

!!

[sterile patrol]

[dry kindle]

dont really farm tcreds till you buy out valley tcred stock

[drifting quest]

150 is like more than anyone has ever seen

[dry kindle]

and pray by then wuling updates

[next helm]

tcreds cost 10m

[ocean hawk]

so uh, did anyone has doc for stagger

[dry kindle]

if wuling doesnt have redist lv4 next update

[dawn patrol]

2 days worth of income 💔

[ocean hawk]

specifically for stager bonus damage

[dry kindle]

what

[dry kindle]

1.3x

[dawn patrol]

is essence that goated

[dry kindle]

yes

[dawn patrol]

i'm only hitting like 70k on ult enh bskill final hit

and it hurts 💔

[ocean hawk]

how is this calculated for that base 1.3

[dawn patrol]

this team slaps, now i'm hurt 💔

[ocean hawk]

from the gear bonus

[dry kindle]

damage dealt zone

iirc

[twilit quail]

the guy is just pressing wulf skill at random times in his charge set calc and losing damage for 0 reason
has the WRONG CHARGE SET PIECES
using wrong stanza timeline
eyja skill suscept is 100% uptime for some reason
xiranite is 100% uptime for some reason??

[ocean hawk]

so 80% from that 1.3 ?

[dry kindle]

no

its +80% on your damage dealt zone

[ocean hawk]

eh

damage dealt zone ?

why new words showing up

[dry kindle]

with every other damage dealt buff

[drifting quest]

You love to see it

[dry kindle]

inb4 iana kills me for misinformation

[dawn patrol]

sworce what's the difference between no essence and like max essence

[dry kindle]

like 20%

[dawn patrol]

bruh it's over

i'm only gonna do like 100k then

[twilit quail]

more

[dawn patrol]

how do people hit these mf numbers

[twilit quail]

a lot more than 20%

[ocean hawk]

so its just another damage dealt % calculation ?

[remote elk]

what is the lock thingy at the essence etching screen? does that make it unable to be used in etching or whatever?

[ocean hawk]

but only applied when the enemy is staggered ?

[dry kindle]

im just using datafield.cc numbers they seem sane enough

also

24%

[dawn patrol]

is it worth noting nobody else is built except laev

[dry kindle]

as long as supports are e3 lv60

[sterile patrol]

love it

[dry kindle]

it doesnt matter

they just need gold gear

[sterile patrol]

DMG% vs staggered is the same as any other DMG% it just only applies during Stagger
The 1.3 is separate and multiplicative to the rest of the formula

[dawn patrol]

i've been phys gaming and just recently started building laev team

[twilit quail]

people hitting big numbers are using jakub, max dupe therm and det unit

[dawn patrol]

not even

[twilit quail]

and just gambling

[ocean hawk]

so the 1.3 is in the end

[dry kindle]

yes but actually no

[twilit quail]

it's more in the buffs than anything else

[ocean hawk]

its like this:

if (staggered):

all dmg x damage percent x 1.3

?

[twilit quail]

cause we want to fill up all the multiplicative brackets we can

[ocean hawk]

its overs simplification

but

[sterile patrol]

1.3 is unique on top of everything else yes

[next helm]

When does that update drop?

[dawn patrol]

i too want to hit big numbers but it seems annoying and also not possible bc lol lmao i'm not spending money on game

[next helm]

I thought it would be with the 6 star selector

[dry kindle]

Total Damage = Base Damage × Critical Hit × Damage Bonus × Damage Reduction × Vulnerability × Amplification × Sanctuary × Susceptibility × Defense × Stagger × Resistance × Non-Controlled Operator Damage Reduction × Special Bonus

[sterile patrol]

are we actually calling it vulnerability with phys vulnerability being in the game

[dry kindle]

what update

[ocean hawk]

and the thing I asked counted as Damage bonus ?

[dry kindle]

fuckin

yeah

why not

[sterile patrol]

im calling it DMG taken multi

[twilit quail]

the english terms they went with are so bad

[next helm]

The qol

Oh the enemies are lvl 60

[ocean hawk]

where the 1.3 is placed at on that formula

[sterile patrol]

Stagger

[dry kindle]

stagger

[sterile patrol]

DMG vs staggered goes in damage bonus

[ocean hawk]

ahhhhh

got it

thanks

so its just bad

[dry kindle]

when you want to endfield but shit fuckin ak schedule

[ocean hawk]

since it only activated when enemies is staggered

[twilit quail]

ak stream tmw

[dry kindle]

me when bilibili leaks

[ocean hawk]

I was gonna ask iana something and iana discord display name becoming "ON HOLIDAY"

[dry kindle]

how have the vids not even been shot yet

[twilit quail]

im in guangzhou

hangzhou tmw

[ocean hawk]

wow, enjoy ur holidayy

[twilit quail]

I mean I have nothing to do

rn

[drifting quest]

Theorycrafters when you tell them not to be confusing

[twilit quail]

if it's nothing complicated I could probably answer it before my plane takes off

[dry kindle]

do my ato minigame

[sterile patrol]

💀

dont mind me calling susceptibility sus

[ocean hawk]

the break point for sundering against ascents is only at p5 just like in the sheet right ?

so if I dont have p5 sunder, i can just use ascent

[twilit quail]

p3 steel is about even accounting for crit variance

p4 is better

[drifting quest]

But its so ugly

[ocean hawk]

my sunder is p1

[twilit quail]

p5 is 4-5% better

then yeah you can just use ascent

[dry kindle]

weapon skins soon

surely

[ocean hawk]

aight

[twilit quail]

and pray that you crit

[drifting quest]

Weapon skins would be nice

[twilit quail]

xdddd

[ocean hawk]

where u guys getting dupes for sunder

[dry kindle]

or some fuckin 5* next patch is better sunder

[dry kindle]

guess

[ocean hawk]

i knew its the weap banner

[dawn patrol]

i haven't gotten a single scathe dupe ig it's time to kms

[ocean hawk]

but

I pull so many weap banner and doesnt get it

[twilit quail]

it rotates through shop

[ocean hawk]

but my fortmaker is p4 tho now

[outer ermine]

[ocean hawk]

the ones with 400 price ?

[twilit quail]

yes

[ocean hawk]

kinda expensive no ?

[twilit quail]

6* weap is 2480

and max dupe steel is better than 6*

so

depends on how you look at it

[ocean hawk]

oh we calculate it against 6* direct buyout

ahh

[twilit quail]

yeah cause gambling is gambling

[ocean hawk]

yeah

[dawn patrol]

we love gambling

[twilit quail]

[ocean hawk]

but I can stick with ascent, for now

[dawn patrol]

anywho what's the laev rotation

[twilit quail]

yeah

[ocean hawk]

and just wait sunder dupe from weap banner drop

[twilit quail]

I mean it's minor differences

and if you miss a kill narrowly

[dry kindle]

mfs after telling you to just pull on op banner if you want weapon pulls

[twilit quail]

you shouldve just crit better

[ocean hawk]

but I still had that fortmaker offer

400 one

im just gonna wait for my result on gilb sig

[twilit quail]

with ginseng she has 36% cr which is not bad

[dawn patrol]

do i just pres akekuri skill for stacks

[drifting quest]

Depends

[dawn patrol]

i don't wanna accidently hit wulf skill when enemy has combustion

[dry kindle]

oh right

[ocean hawk]

1 out of her 3 attacks hit crit

so still crit fishing

[dry kindle]

i was meant to mald that laev timeline

bleh

[twilit quail]

yes!

I love gambling!

[ocean hawk]

the character pull already gambling

the weapon too

[dawn patrol]

gambling?? in my gambling game??? surely not

[dry kindle]

i love using effective crit value in a fucking gacha

[ocean hawk]

now the damage is gambling too ?

[twilit quail]

chen solo clearer grinding 400 meat per day

[ocean hawk]

[twilit quail]

to make ginseng stew

[dry kindle]

at least she can

unlike yvonne

[ocean hawk]

btw, for heal, can i just leave ardel sig to lvl 1

for sustain in umbral

[dry kindle]

its umbral

[ocean hawk]

im broke for weap exp

[dry kindle]

just kill them faster

[twilit quail]

just thug it out

[dry kindle]

or just solo it

[twilit quail]

Im not raising her sig either

[dry kindle]

anything works

[twilit quail]

lmao

[ocean hawk]

so sustainless phys is possible ?

[dry kindle]

you can solo it

guess

[ocean hawk]

even on agony ?

[dry kindle]

probably

[kind ferry]

hum, lifeng 5* options are just ass right? i'm not imagining things

[dry kindle]

definitely if tacticals are enabled

[ocean hawk]

did lifeng even has 5* option tho

[dawn patrol]

i hope they are so i don't have to dodge

[ocean hawk]

didnt his only choice is like valiant or mountain bearer

[twilit quail]

well there's like 1 5* polearm lmao

[dawn patrol]

i just want to have fun on my video game man

[twilit quail]

it's not unusably bad

[kind ferry]

chimeric justice

[twilit quail]

he just has to be ultbot

[ocean hawk]

the one for avy ?

[twilit quail]

still better than every other option in the slot

[kind ferry]

there are 3

[ocean hawk]

cohesive smth ?

[dawn patrol]

cohesive traction

[twilit quail]

chimeric is the one he can kind of use

cohesive is such a scam

[kind ferry]

there's obj right?

[ocean hawk]

ah vuln

[twilit quail]

it's actually just straight up ass

obj is estella weapon only

[kind ferry]

fair

[ocean hawk]

wait a min, cohesive has electric stat

[dawn patrol]

cohesive looks like it'd be good on avy idk

[twilit quail]

cohesive looks like it would be good but it just isnt

[ocean hawk]

so 5* avy ?

[twilit quail]

it's so much worse than jet

it's actually disgusting

[ocean hawk]

the skill duration is bad

[twilit quail]

it's not even a canal vs exemplar situation

[twilit quail]

cohesive is like 40% worse at 90/90

[kind ferry]

atp i should just use xiranite for buffing if his damage is bad

[twilit quail]

it's horrendous

[frozen tide]

But but

Electro specific weapon

[dawn patrol]

i still run damage on lifeng bc his dmg isn't terrible and he still contributes to the team ig

[twilit quail]

his damage is insane at high invest

but with no weapon

just put him on ult duty

[kind ferry]

wait can lifeng even proc xiranite?

[dawn patrol]

how high invest does it need to be

[twilit quail]

yes

[dawn patrol]

i have him p2 with sig 💔

[twilit quail]

but xiranite is nerfed into the ground

compared to before

[ocean hawk]

i fogot who convinces me like 2 days ago to get trimmed medal for weapon skill 25 and i said "why whould I get essence for my 5 star", but I think it will reach it on my fortmaker essence

[kind ferry]

so phys susc counts as susc?

[twilit quail]

so Im at a point where I think no set might actually be better

[dawn patrol]

can my mdps lifeng dreams actually come true

[twilit quail]

both p3 and p4 are really big for him

[dawn patrol]

nvm i'm not dropping money on this game

[twilit quail]

p3 turns the two mental attributes into substats too

and p4 lets him run swordmancer while still hitting charge threshold

and then it just explodes with sig

[ocean hawk]

@dry kindle , u just make me realized im missing out soo many damage by using the bonus vs staggered rather than the set from iana sheet

since both my chen and lifeng use that gear set

[dawn patrol]

i'm at p2 and he feels like he hits like a firm noodle

[twilit quail]

while thermite is stacked he is hitting more than 7k atk at 80/80

[dawn patrol]

not a wet noodle at least

[twilit quail]

I saw a 13k atk lifeng in cbt3

[dry kindle]

i seen a 15k laev

mid finisher

[twilit quail]

dude

do you know

about the lynx slab lifeng set

evil technology

[dry kindle]

mfw people using slab on the person who can use slab

is it double slab

[twilit quail]

yeah

no set

[dry kindle]

🗿

we fucking love statsticking

[twilit quail]

I mean ok the thing is

no set

might actually be optimal even at p0

it's fucked up but I think it's actually the way

[dry kindle]

slab op gg

wheres the lv90 version as a UR

[twilit quail]

part of me just wants to leave it

until next patch

hopefully tangtang is better than the two bums

currently in striker slot

[dry kindle]

inb4 combo breacher

[twilit quail]

and I can just make things simple

[dry kindle]

surely the gun user isnt a crusher

[twilit quail]

I think she's just going to throw bombs

[dry kindle]

im just waiting for fangyi to be another batk enhancer

no link fun 😔

[frozen tide]

Get working hassan

[twilit quail]

avy secondary dps would actually be sick so I hope that's how it pans out

[drifting quest]

Fluorite / Yvonne curse

If she's a bomb thrower

[twilit quail]

ok so

wulfgard also throws a bomb in his combo

I think that balances it out somewhat

[glad niche]

TangTang throws her big bro instead

[dry kindle]

why not a pipebomb

[glad niche]

Pls god don't make Leek have super saiyan batk ult

[twilit quail]

I feel like she's gonna be like the

goofy and clumsy kind of gimmick character

in actual gameplay

[dry kindle]

batk enhancer

take it or leave it

[glad niche]

All TangTang did in story was talk shit, get beaten by MiFu and chicken out during a mini boss fight. Absolute 5* behaviour

not my phys 6 striker

[dry kindle]

oh tangtang

surely endfield 5* arent ass

[rugged kiln]

Tangtang’s bro is the physical 6*

[wind vigil]

do dmg% multipliers like heat dmg% and basic dmg% stack additively or multiplicatively

like how much of a loss is not wearing hot work 3pc

[fossil narwhal]

i was bashing my head against trimmed rodogan for like 4 hours, stuck at 3 mins, then i tried it once while starting with laevatain ult and i got 1:40 first try 💀

[drifting quest]

Additively

Loss for no 3p hot work depends on a lot of factors

[next helm]

Lifengs P1 just means that he can use his skill on targets with 0-2 vuln instead of 0 right

And gives more suscept

[copper ridge]

how beneficial is getting your main dps + weapon to lvl 90?

my laeva at 86 + 86 weapon and the costs are staggering.

[drifting quest]

80 > 90 is a notable jump but not required

You can stop investing if you wish

[copper ridge]

wahhh i wanna build other teams XD

[steel hedge]

its impossible to get a good match in artificng the first stat of armor right? or theres a way?

[scenic laurel]

guys, do u run aethertech or yinlung for dapan?

[frozen tide]

Aeth

[scenic laurel]

got it.

[midnight stirrup]

@drifting quest Yall said not to level a supp weapon unless supp scales with it right

In arknights when is that the case

Cause dont they all level with base attack

So only attack scaling supps benefit from leveling

Or am I missing something

[green ibex]

damn bruh

i reached wuling 2 days ago

i thought lifeng was a girl

[high finch]

what's the secret tech?

i'm in full believe of lifeng supremacy. like i feel if invest him enough he will become a monster

[drifting quest]

Essence line max is tied to level

[midnight stirrup]

Wait wdym

Like the slots unlock based on level?

I thought refines did

[drifting quest]

Unless I got lied to again a 6/6/3 essence on a level 1 weapon shouldnt result in a 9/9/4 weapon

If it does then ignore me levels worthless

[green ibex]

should I save the permit thing

[next helm]

Are the slots not locked? on lvl 1

You can get passive +3 I think

Locked to 3/3/4 on a lvl 1

[drifting quest]

Yeah

Idk how far you have to take it

Havent tested

[high finch]

i wanna see that 13k lifeng build

[drifting quest]

P3 double slab + mb?

[next helm]

max lvl 60 = 6/6/4, max lvl 80 = 8/7/4 max

[drifting quest]

Weird

[next helm]

So I assume upgrading gives 2/1, 1/2, 2/1, 1/2?

In what team would Lifeng run the supportive set, this shit is so confusing to me

Is it with endmin cause they are more hungry?

[civic wolf]

Sooooooooooooo is Ember actually highly overlooked?
https://youtu.be/YfalqX8p-So?si=gcDTt1vxGzWGe1Zp

[frozen tide]

If an f student passes the test

Does that mean the student is smart or that the test was not hard to pass

[drifting quest]

No

[green ibex]

yo i just know wulings factory building gonna make me go insane

[drifting quest]

higher investment + gameplay optimisation has meant we hit the point where any 4th in a competent team can be carried to trim

we've known objectively bad late game teams like shatter can trim for a week

[civic wolf]

yeah but is stagger not a value in speedrun?

[dire nymph]

whats mb here

[drifting quest]

normal physical staggers

[drifting quest]

mountain bearer

[dire nymph]

ah

ill try that out

sounds fun

[civic wolf]

increased stagger output, i mean

[drifting quest]

normal physical staggers more then ember phys does

whats your point

[frozen tide]

What's with all the ember agenda today

[drifting quest]

trims get posted

people flock to them

think things are magically different

[dire nymph]

oh ok looking at slab it makes sense

[frozen tide]

Wow

It's just that easy

[civic wolf]

OH FOR FUCK SAKE

I SPENT 30 EXTRA PULLS TO SELECT THIS BASTARD AND NOW ITS CYCLING TO THIS DAMN SHOP

THIS SOON???

[next helm]

Do I grab that for Lifeng tho?

Or wait for a spook

[drifting quest]

damn

time to grab a valiant

or well i should still wait for gilb banner

in case its cracked

[civic wolf]

I got scammed goddammit

[woeful plume]

the amount of ppl

taht show up on this chat

[civic wolf]

i want my Arsenal tickets back GRAAAH

[woeful plume]

based on a singular trim of a 1.0 endgame

to ask if the unit is broken

is insane

[dire nymph]

ember good?

youtube.com

[drifting quest]

b-but this food buffed, high invest clear did it in barely 4 minutes

what do you mean 3 level 60's did it in less time

[frozen tide]

[woeful plume]

they geniunely had me re read her kit from 0

[drifting quest]

its basically just a worse lifeng that still works because its physical

[woeful plume]

after a second throughout read, i can proudly say that she is still bad

[drifting quest]

the same way yvonne has 'fast' trims

because its just last rite 3op

[high finch]

i don't even want to invest valiant to much cause i want his sign.cause going 9/9/4 is so damn expensive

[drifting quest]

sucks that valiant and mb are 2/3 match

[high finch]

i just hope the next time i pull for rate up character signature i'll be a little bit more luck and won't have to go 8/8 and will use my leftovers for lifeng

[drifting quest]

honestly if you're ever 'backpulling' for lifeng sig its gonna be rough

[high finch]

i have 3k arsenal ticket's but it's not even a 2 pull sadly

but i have 170pulls saved in normal banner

so just waiting for a character i like

so far lava felt like a miss,i don't really like her

it was a hype pull,thanks god she came early

in like 30 pulls

[drifting quest]

unless you want like every single off rate on the mountain bearer banner its not gonna be worth it

[high finch]

i don't remember what off rates are there

[unkempt oak]

i think we reached a conclusion about lae's best set
https://vxb23.tv/gsZOtg9

7 eskills rot nothing should come close to hotwork

[drifting quest]

what is this going to be

the same set we've been running since day 1

lmao

[unkempt oak]

😭

[glad niche]

name checks out

[drifting quest]

its also contested

based on content

and it was showcased in the content it is favoured into

[next helm]

Why does he swap to antal after laev ult

[drifting quest]

minmax some sp while she's animation locked

[next helm]

Oh inside skill + enhanced skill

I hope thats not gonna be required

[drifting quest]

its not

[daring dove]

It also will depend on if you have potentials on her weapon. More potentials you have on her weapon the bigger damage bonus you’re receiving for getting your ultimate off. Hence the more biased toward ultimate gain you get.

[drifting quest]

it is a consideration but less of one than you might expect

[daring dove]

It’s the difference between 105% DMG gain P0 to 210% DMG gain P5 correct?

[drifting quest]

sounds about right

[daring dove]

Only impacts her normals of course but normal attacks are a big part of Laevatain’s damage.

I mean see hot works being competitive with the 105% figure because you have higher uptime.

But it isn’t competitive with the 210% figure not even close.

[drifting quest]

it should remain competitive

less so obviously

but it should still be based on content

[woeful plume]

i mean does this really say much

doesnt her ult duration freeze when u swap off

i guess u dont need ult gain if u can stay in the ult that long

is what i should interpret

[daring dove]

I don’t get it either to be honest flashy video. But the team isn’t doing any damage. Maybe a rotation showcase.

[unkempt oak]

no but skilling does

[woeful plume]

can laeva attack with ult when she is off field?

[unkempt oak]

the implication here is that your dps dips even deeper into skill

[woeful plume]

ah

[sterile patrol]

now whats her best set if you pot 5 her and her wep and basic attack only

[frozen tide]

Pretty sure they have shit weaps on purpose to demonstrate

I also put on shit weaps when practicing rotations

[daring dove]

Yeah I get that, but the rotation isn’t then demonstrating the main impact the weapon has which is Laevatain’s single biggest damage increase. So if it shows damage dips with practice weapons it doesn’t actually say anything make sense?

[woeful plume]

umbral torch better than laeva sig on 7 skill confirmed

[drifting quest]

crit

[frozen tide]

[woeful plume]

yeah no one is making me do a 7 skill rotation btw

[drifting quest]

7 skill rotation vs 7 rotations

something something framing

[daring dove]

Ult gain offset, ult gain chest piece & hot works gloves.

[drifting quest]

[civic wolf]

so

[sudden lichen]

is this accurate?

[civic wolf]

anyone else decided to pull for a selector box on Lav banner for Valiant

only to find out Valiant rotates today

[earnest patio]

Meh 205% ultimate gain ig one more artificing needed

Also do teammate artifact set also needs artificing or base model works

For the laevithon team

[drifting quest]

no i had impulse control

[drifting quest]

the more ult gain you artifice the better it performs

ardelia cares less

[civic wolf]

this isn't even an impulse control thing, i predicted that it'll be 1-2 months before Valiant shows up there 😭

[next helm]

Overworld gilberta sweep

[earnest patio]

Damn so all teammates needs artificing iff

[civic wolf]

and Lifeng's polearm option stinks

[earnest patio]

Uff long way to go

[civic wolf]

without Valiant or his sig

[next helm]

auto attack suc akekeri skill charges laev skill immediately

[drifting quest]

you had so many weekly rotations to wait and see for before laev banner ends

[civic wolf]

yeah but with the etch system works where u have to commit with your weap how am i supposed to know ahead of time im getting trolled this hard

i hate the fortnite ass rotating 6* system

its so stupid

[drifting quest]

you know you could like

prefarm

[frozen tide]

[glad niche]

No more or less ass than any other team, not like we have some on demand insta aoe battle skills in this game rn. For any team

[drifting quest]

i dont know what to say

[frozen tide]

Today has been an interesting day

[drifting quest]

i was in the same boat as you

i just waited

[sudden lichen]

I just aim for different perfect essences while grinding gel for my main weapon

currently trying to get yvonne sig essence

[civic wolf]

Something something predatory

idk just lemme be mad for a moment

[woeful plume]

doing that doesnt seem reasonable regardless bro 😭

unlucky though

[civic wolf]

well it was reasonable to ME

Lifeng got terrible spear options

[woeful plume]

seals are right there

[drifting quest]

mald at yourself sure

not the games fault here

[civic wolf]

Nah i hate the game's weapon banner system

[woeful plume]

i fully etched thermite cutter, i hope it doesnt rotate in three times back to back

[civic wolf]

derivative ass

[woeful plume]

i'd be so sad

[drifting quest]

weird how both popular and unpopular the weapon system is

[frozen tide]

Me when i do something stupid out of impulse but nah fuck this predatory game

[drifting quest]

i really quite like it

[woeful plume]

idk

[sudden lichen]

I don't get what the issue is

[frozen tide]

Arknights endfield top of the list on the files

[woeful plume]

not paying premium currency for my weapons

i'll take it bro

[civic wolf]

give me foresight on whats rotating next

[drifting quest]

why do you need foresight

its a limited pool of options

[sudden lichen]

you just need patience

[civic wolf]

idc i still hate it

it's an extra variable i now have to think abotu when normally i dont think about it as much cuz its usually too expensive

[drifting quest]

you're getting premium weapons for essentially free

[sudden lichen]

I'm so confused

[civic wolf]

i just dont appreciate teh game asking me to overthink about my choices again

[frozen tide]

Would you rather have them have it so the only way you can aquire it is gacha

[civic wolf]

Yes

[frozen tide]

[civic wolf]

so i dont have to consider it because its out of my reach

[drifting quest]

if you'd prefer im sure hg has no issues hoyoifying the system so you can spend 40000 to then have to off rate the weapon you want

[civic wolf]

I dont play Hoyo games anymore bruh i do Wuwa 😭

[drifting quest]

same deal

[civic wolf]

there is no offrate there lmao

[glad niche]

99% of complaints boil down to - "i had a bad outcome, this game/system is shit"

[outer ermine]

just dont be broke

[frozen tide]

And funny enough people seem to complain more when the game gives you more control

[civic wolf]

it's still too obnoxiously costly to make a wrong choice like

if I can buy arsenal tickets

with Oroberyl

[drifting quest]

i got terrible luck on my weapon banner pulls and i still think its a great system

[civic wolf]

i'd be a lot less annoyed at being scammed out of 3500 arsenal ticket

[drifting quest]

simply have better mental

[glad niche]

Yeh when blame shifts from game to user, the mald intensity rises

[teal pawn]

Oh Valiant is here?

[civic wolf]

yea

[teal pawn]

Hmmmm

That's tough

I was thinking of getting Lifeng's sig

[woeful plume]

when can thermite cutter rotate in so i can be sad about getting thermite from chest (i will buy the one that rotated in too)

[frozen tide]

This game lets you farm materials with a factory system most games have locked pretty hard behind sanity-like system or premium currency

[teal pawn]

[frozen tide]

Yet one of the biggest complaints i see about the game

Is about the factory system

[glad niche]

We've had repeat options on the 2500 weapon right? Its not a strict 1 by 1 rota

[safe nymph]

which is ironic

[woeful plume]

literally didnt have to clear it once

[glad niche]

Or was it just Endmin > Obliv > Valiant so far

[civic wolf]

i like the factory system, its just that the sanity system feels like im constantly broke lol

[woeful plume]

says enough imo

[frozen tide]

The game allows you to pull characters and weapons separately and even get a lot of wealon pulls just from doing normal amounts of char pulls

Have weekly rotation shols for standard weapons

And guess what people complain about

[civic wolf]

im not changing my stance until at the very least you can buy arsenal tickets with oroberyl

[frozen tide]

I deadass saw a lot of former genshin players complaining that weapon character banner is separate

[woeful plume]

wouldnt be bad since its easy to deliver

[glad niche]

You technical can

[woeful plume]

cant

[sudden lichen]

burn it to the ground

[woeful plume]

i know what you mean but its not the same

[glad niche]

True

[civic wolf]

I think its a bit too ridicilous that you're basically being dragged into pulling more when u could've stopped when u got a limited 6* early

[woeful plume]

overworld is more oroberyl intensified

oroberül

[sudden lichen]

or... don't

[frozen tide]

The game gives you more choices you can make more free resources less chances you have to take for premium stuff

[daring dove]

Does anyone know what the new 6* weapon is on offer in the arms store in the EU?

[woeful plume]

???

[frozen tide]

Than most other gachas ive seen

I am very grateful for it

[woeful plume]

oh its different?

[frozen tide]

And high production value as well

[drifting quest]

valiant also

[civic wolf]

just wait until you ran into a scenario where you're very close to getting a wep guarantee, but that sig from 3 banners ago is about to expire and whatever

[frozen tide]

LMAO

[civic wolf]

that awful scenario is going to happen sooner or later

[drifting quest]

asia gets it ahead of eu/na

but the weapons dont change

[sudden lichen]

and they keep doing optis, some more pull currency planned I read, and a free 6* pick to everyone

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[sudden lichen]

no, because I would plan to avoid that

[daring dove]

Ah shame I was hoping for Thermite Cutter

[woeful plume]

feeling so pressured to do 30x rn something something fomo

[frozen tide]

The last thing i think about when thinking of endfield is predatory

[sudden lichen]

first rule of gambling is never gamble if you can't handle the worst case

[drifting quest]

thermite will be within the next like 10 weeks or whatnot

[frozen tide]

Even the trims are 1000 percent doable f2p

[civic wolf]

I just dont appreciate having to play mind games with this game harder than i usually have to

[sudden lichen]

yeah, just need a bit of setup through factory and upgrading

[sterile patrol]

game changing moment when it drops

[daring dove]

How close is Valiant compared to sig on that twerp that uses it

[sudden lichen]

Funnily enough, I love gacha games because their convolution is fun in itself, to plan and figure out how to optimize your resources and chances

[drifting quest]

15 weapons unless i miscounted
we're on the 3rd rotation
so at absolute worst you can get thermite cutter on April 30th

[teal pawn]

I MEAAAAN it basically takes about the same amount of pulls compared to if you're able to use oroberyls

[drifting quest]

close enough but still behind

[sudden lichen]

I'm playing a optimization puzzle game while playing the game

[frozen tide]

Optimizing is half the fun in this game

[glad niche]

I somehow have 2 Valiant, with no opened weapon selectors. I guess it was on Laev's weapon banner

[frozen tide]

I took val from weapon box

[drifting quest]

what was the 5* weekly weapon in the first week?

[frozen tide]

Very glad i don't use a comp that involves ake

[glad niche]

Endmin

[frozen tide]

Would be very mad at myself otherwise

[drifting quest]

that's the 6* one

[glad niche]

oh 5*, sry

[drifting quest]

Grand Vision + ?
Oblivion + OBJ Edge of Lightness
Valiant + ?

[next helm]

Do potentials change this a lot?

[daring dove]

I have a couple of copies was wondering if it was worth refining since it’s cheap for an extra copy. But I’m thinking it’s not.

[next helm]

He gets an upgrade to that all attributes passive he has

[drifting quest]

mountain bearer pulls ahead more at higher potentials

[frozen tide]

How does p5 valiant fare to p0 mountain

[drifting quest]

that's how you get like 15k attack lifeng stuff

[frozen tide]

Not realistic but curious nonetheless

[next helm]

15k?

[teal pawn]

Potentials on Lifeng?

[dry mason]

[teal pawn]

[drifting quest]

p3 lifeng + slabs build + p5 mountain bearer

[next helm]

Thats cooked

[glad niche]

Li Feng Stats

Attribute stacker

[next helm]

PoE build

[frozen tide]

Seeing the word slab makes me jolt

[teal pawn]

Do we have anyone with P3 Lifeng here to even test the difference

[sudden lichen]

fangyi called, that spot is not available currently

[next helm]

Doesn't he become the most powerful tank onfield

[drifting quest]

i think 13k is the current highest seen

[next helm]

Cause he gets that much stats

[sudden lichen]

return the

[next helm]

[frozen tide]

Plenty of 🐋 round here

[glad niche]

13k attack?1

[teal pawn]

Doesn't take a whale to get 4 Lifengs in a row

I just don't have the weapons yet

[next helm]

[frozen tide]

Idc i call everyone a whale

They can be f2p for all i care

[next helm]

Shortcut to this emote is lifu

[drifting quest]

fumo does it for me too

[glad niche]

my best "Lif" emote, perfection

[frozen tide]

Only possible because his takent makes his substats increase atk and his potential makes every stat equivalent to a secondary stat

[next helm]

Theres a lot of fumo

[glad niche]

Yeh i know the p3 abuse, just surprised it goes as high as 13k

[next helm]

[sterile herald]

do u have a picture of this

[drifting quest]

not on hand

[frozen tide]

His talent is 75 percent of it

P3 fills in the rest

[sterile herald]

also on a side note what percent of phys damage does pog do? is it worth levelling his weapon (thermite) at all?

[drifting quest]

2 slabs is like 52% main stat

54%

[sterile patrol]

we needa get some emotes with LYNX Slab at this point

[frozen tide]

I need ember with slabs as armor plates

As emote

[drifting quest]

akekurige
thermitege
slabge

[frozen tide]

Or sticker

[next helm]

[sudden lichen]

for last rite users, what move do you usually cancel for a shorter bnb? I noticed the last ones can't be, and the first ones neither, so I tend to skip after the second slash, going from 6 to 5 hits, but I'm not sure in terms of timing if it shortens things that much?

[next helm]

Did any of the sui siblings have rock cancer?

[frozen tide]

Yeah jts jus second slash

[drifting quest]

no they're immune

[frozen tide]

Its a decent cut from the normal time

[dry kindle]

A2 a5 endlag

[next helm]

So they can't reconvene into endfield

[sterile patrol]

real

[bronze plume]

no but they could just be alive

[drifting quest]

they dont need to reconvene they're pseudo immortal

[bronze plume]

considering they are all fragments of a god

[frozen tide]

A5 cancel is a thing?

How did i not know

[next helm]

Yeah but I don't see them going into a portal that doesn't exist anymore

[sudden lichen]

alright, I wasn't sure if the dodge time was shorter than just another slash, but I guess it is

[drifting quest]

they've been teasing a sui sibling is on talos

[bronze plume]

i would doubt theyd need a portal to simple move to a different planet

[sudden lichen]

a5 too? In which way? I did notice I can store the final strike if I'm poorly positioned

[next helm]

Well they can't find terra anymore after the portal borked

So why would they be able to find it

[frozen tide]

They are transcendant beings but with some limitations

[rugged kiln]

What’s the difference between lifeng’s sig and valiant?

[bronze plume]

i doubt dolly just decided to go through the portal less eyjafjalla went through already before dying and becoming ardelia

[frozen tide]

I was wondering that

Does ardelia just conjure a beast lord

[sudden lichen]

ardelia's dolly isn't the same dolly, it's a sort of individual hive mind deal

[glad niche]

Is this thing and the chick that "pilots" it supposed to be some deep AK lore or new Endfield shit?

[next helm]

Are all the sheeps beast lords?

Or is dolly one I didn't read her lore

[drifting quest]

all the sheep are a hive mind

[bronze plume]

we dont know if it is or isnt

[civic wolf]

is pulling for Last Rite sig a bad idea?

[drifting quest]

so it is dolly and it isnt

[sudden lichen]

Think of dolly as an individual made of bees

[bronze plume]

in Arknights Dolly is dolly and the other sheep in arknights are the sheep shepards called the little black sheep they are different to dolly

[sudden lichen]

ardelia's dollies are some bees

[next helm]

I could see a sui sibling going through a portal

[dry kindle]

After the hit

[bronze plume]

in endfield dolly is doing mitosis

[next helm]

Altho they can make up whatever they want

[bronze plume]

so every dolly is dolly

[sudden lichen]

we know it isn't

[bronze plume]

from what

[sudden lichen]

from ardelia's files

[bronze plume]

show me where...

[frozen tide]

It would've been tuff if ardelia was just confuring the dolly

[next helm]

These are the real theories to be crafted

[sudden lichen]

mmh, a5 is not the final strike right? How does it speed up things? I'm not remembering well but a5 and a6 are pretty close together no?

I'll have to check more in detail to see later

[drifting quest]

Is Mr. Dolly the Sovereign? No. Mr. Dolly isn't a name for any one in particular since they're a flock of Dollies

up to you which way you interpret that

im not going to argue for either

since it could be both

[next helm]

Wait

GG can be reconvened

[drifting quest]

that she can

[next helm]

[drifting quest]

its also going to happen

[bronze plume]

yeah thats not concrete evidence for dolly being the same or a different dolly

[frozen tide]

What does gg stand for

[next helm]

Goldenglow

[drifting quest]

pepe and mizuki are not infected

[next helm]

Very popular ak char

[drifting quest]

and its just a fact that namie will get a char in

[bronze plume]

im more interested in the fact they straight out said its a different dolly 100% confirmed in her files and wanna know where it says that

[next helm]

Mizuki is an entire ocean (in one timeline)

[drifting quest]

you can read into it either way based on what your own headcanon is

nothing directly confirms or deconfirms

[frozen tide]

Im really curious on who or what made endmin

[drifting quest]

it relies on us knowing if 'the' dolly went to talos II or not

[frozen tide]

Im sure itll be revealed eventually

[drifting quest]

which we wont find out

[next helm]

Originium

[bronze plume]

yeah idc about the "own headcanon" stuff i like the this is the actual 100% factual info

[bronze plume]

nah so long adele 2

watch it be a major event trust

[drifting quest]

if we're speculating I would doubt it to be the 'real' dolly
at the time of so long adele eyja is very much not healthy enough to travel through the aethergate, and I doubt Dolly would go through on their own unless there's some sort of deal with several of the beast sovereigns going through for some reason

I'd expect it's closer to a reconvener dolly

[bronze plume]

yeah again idc about what ifs

i care about concrete info

speculating it isnt the real dolly is cool and all but

[next helm]

There is none

[bronze plume]

i

am

aware

[next helm]

The only thing we can confirm is eyja dies

Turns out people die in 150 years

[bronze plume]

me when someone without a long life race dies in 150 years

[drifting quest]

to be fair in eyjas case she was probably dead before the aethergate was even made

[next helm]

Used?

The gate is already there

[drifting quest]

reconstructed

i should say

and hence used

[next helm]

Is it not active in IS?

Or am I misremembering

[drifting quest]

it was depowered

by kaltsit

[drifting quest]

and then amma pushes crazelyseon through it anyway

because haha

[next helm]

amma?

[drifting quest]

deer god

[sudden lichen]

How can you call yourself #1 ardelia fan if you didn't read her dialogues smh

[next helm]

I missed this lore

[bronze plume]

that doesnt confirm if its the real dolly or not i stg

[frozen tide]

How strong are beast lords anyways

[drifting quest]

during the events of ending 3 amma self sacrifices to to banish crazelyseon

[frozen tide]

I know they are like animal spirit deities of a sort

[bronze plume]

demi god/god basically

[sudden lichen]

She does clearly say no it's not the sovereign

[drifting quest]

so she's now trapped in the extradimensional space the witch king made

iirc

[frozen tide]

But that can mean a lot of things when it comes to what they can actually do

[valid zealot]

Where's iana meat route

[bronze plume]

sigh...

[valid zealot]

Anyone?

[bronze plume]

ill say sure that confirms it so i can be done with that

[drifting quest]

from: iana has: image

[next helm]

Are IS' canon or is only IS3 not canon

[drifting quest]

some are canon some are not

its a case by case

[next helm]

I know the abyss one is a timeline

[drifting quest]

is3 is alternate timeline stuff for the most part

is2 is all canon afaik

is6 is all canon afaik

is5 is both canon and non canon

is4 is all canon afaik

[next helm]

IS1 too

[drifting quest]

is1 is ceobe high

[frozen tide]

Hmm

[next helm]

[sterile herald]

this isn’t theorycrafting

[next helm]

But its canon

[sterile herald]

do more math!

or else!

[next helm]

Ceobe ate a shroom

[bronze plume]

9+10

[sterile herald]

21

[bronze plume]

wrong its 19

its not 2016

[sterile herald]

nuh uh

https://tenor.com/view/21-gif-20187208

[sudden lichen]

Oh, that's just cancelling after the last hit. I wasn't sure what it was about, yeah I already knew then

[frozen tide]

Yo?

[next helm]

Is ceobe becoming cerberus real

[mortal wolf]

Plaese tell me I'm missing something and that artificing catalysts are available in Valley IV

they aren't are they

[sudden lichen]

Guess I just need to get used to do the cancels in regular combat while avoiding hits

[teal pawn]

Is it even worth trying on Mountain Bearer when I can just buy Valiant rn

[next helm]

Or is that an exaggeration based on ceobes imagination

[bronze plume]

they arent

[sterile herald]

get your money up

[sudden lichen]

it was real, but it happened in collab story

[bronze plume]

all gold gear is made in wuling only wuling gear is gold

[frozen tide]

Its wuling only

[bronze plume]

therefore theres no point in valley 4 having gear artificing stuff cuz well

[drifting quest]

rough timeline
aethergate is made
it goes wrong, allows collapsals to leak into terra
kaltsit goes to remove its storage unit, portal remains open
is4 happens, amma yeets herself and crazelyseon through it and closes it in the process
some time before endfield they repair the aethergate and use it to travel to talos II
some time later, but still before endfield the gate is destroyed blocking off connections between terra and talos

[bronze plume]

it doesnt have gold gear

[mortal wolf]

I squeezed out every stock for today sough 😭

[dry kindle]

Explodes

[bronze plume]

then wait for reset

use it all up

wait for reset

[sterile herald]

do other peoples wuling deliveries if you are desperate

[bronze plume]

again and again and again

[sterile herald]

takes like 5-10 min to find one though

good luck

[next helm]

The loreknower

[mortal wolf]

oh right that exists ok ty

[sudden lichen]

still thanks for the help, gotta make use of last rite well since she's my only option

[sudden lichen]

wuling deliveries are a myth. THey don't exist, and if you transfer them random players will fail and make you lose some more

[bronze plume]

finding wuling ones are hard even then it aint worth it

[old salmon]

idk maybe its just you

like i've been doing it every day and theres like 1 time where someone got it down to like 60k

[sudden lichen]

I wish we had a rating system to give 1/5 * to players that fail your deliveries

[drifting quest]

i forgot alluviums got nerfed with world level

[next helm]

Ak endfield dungeonmeshi collab when

[old salmon]

just takes a bit of time

[bronze plume]

lvl 60 on highest lvl feels so dumb man

[drifting quest]

does perlica lay eggs

[mortal wolf]

none of them are even wuling on my end 😭

[dry kindle]

Fym 16k 😭

[sudden lichen]

happened three times in the last 5 days for me

[old salmon]

you gotta refresh a ton of times

[old salmon]

jeez what region

[sterile herald]

u gotta find the 70k ones

[sudden lichen]

wuling ofc

[sterile herald]

:D

[bronze plume]

i know.....

[old salmon]

i meant

your game

region

asia

[sudden lichen]

EUNA

[old salmon]

yeah alr

i'm asia and it seems a ton better icl

[sterile herald]

i’m so glad i don’t feel the need to do that anymore

[bronze plume]

like why tf is the highest world level enemies lvl 60 if at that level my operator lvl cap is 90

[next helm]

https://tenor.com/view/pea-arknights-eyjafjalla-post-this-sheep-gif-14825646896280885920

[sterile herald]

i bought all the 12k catalysts

😀

[sudden lichen]

I guess the players are more experienced for endfield

[bronze plume]

i never have used it i just used it as a example

[sudden lichen]

lots of newcomers for euna

[sterile herald]

yeah idk why they nerfed it

[bronze plume]

people complaining probably

[sterile herald]

snooze

just get a higher attack stat bro

[sudden lichen]

we'll get the challenge events anyway

[old salmon]

wait do they not need to have unlocked the same level depot to access deliveries or can u accept ones u cant make yourself?

[bronze plume]

we gotta remember the vast majority of players arent used discord or websites to find the most meta shit to make stuff easy

[sudden lichen]

I don't expect the farm stuff to be hard

[old salmon]

i mean either way

[bronze plume]

theyll nerf that too probably

[sterile herald]

so WE are the bums

[old salmon]

if you just wait

[sterile herald]

yes WE

[old salmon]

we'll probably get more depot nodes

[sterile herald]

WE are bums

[old salmon]

and better deliveries

[midnight stirrup]

Tbf it was kinda crazy an enemy group took a whole rotation

[old salmon]

so tbh it doesnt really matter atm

[midnight stirrup]

But regardless I thought the hp was fine

[sudden lichen]

nah, we already have the separation for regular and trim clears

[midnight stirrup]

One shotting is boring

[bronze plume]

they did not take a rotation what you one

[sudden lichen]

don't care if regular is nerfed

[sterile herald]

honestly the basic enemies should be weaker and the special enemies stronger i think

[sudden lichen]

they do need, but they just don't make ziplines

[old salmon]

also they probably dont go around finding and maxing the best gear

or use the most meta team

[sterile herald]

let me just kill the regulars with basics but i’d like to do rotations on the strong one

[daring dove]

Did you pick Ardelia potential today.

[urban plaza]

The basic enemies are not difficult
They are just HP sponges and annoying if you want to move across the map

[midnight stirrup]

@bronze plume Did you get P5 Ardelia with yday gift

[bronze plume]

yesterday but yes

[old salmon]

yeah

[bronze plume]

gang i have pot1

[old salmon]

surely some cc is gonna make a zipline guide or something

[bronze plume]

idc about getting max pot

[sterile herald]

i have pot3

[midnight stirrup]

Pot 1 bc of the gift

[bronze plume]

ill care if they make the game good

[old salmon]

if they havent already

[old salmon]

could have p2

js

[bronze plume]

thats true

but at the same time

[sudden lichen]

also important to remember most players are still on green/blue gear for wuling

[old salmon]

again most players are casual

and they dont have as much time

[bronze plume]

i have pot1 ardelia and laevatain, and pot0 gilberta, pogranichnik, lifeng and last rite

so idc

[sudden lichen]

even with a guide, they just won't bother

[old salmon]

yeah i wish

[daring dove]

I’m picking up P5 Ardelia when I get in.

[midnight stirrup]

Whod u get with the 6 star gift

[bronze plume]

i just said ardelia

[outer ermine]

[midnight stirrup]

Girl this chat going quick ash

[bronze plume]

im not a girl

[midnight stirrup]

My bad

Alien

[bronze plume]

Sigh...