theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

but i didnt want to post enchilada

[ripe parrot]

the crazy thing is endfield feels a lot less drippy than og arknights

[drifting quest]

2d > 3d issues

[ripe parrot]

okay that's fair

[normal tangle]

if lee becomes a reconvener my life belongs to gryphline

[amber vapor]

3D takes so much more time and effort than 2D

[ripe parrot]

translating 2d techwear is really hard

[amber vapor]

2D is just the chibi + splash arts

[outer ermine]

we're not wearing 100 layers of towels, yet

[midnight stirrup]

is reconveners the same as resonators in wuwa

name for chars?

[ripe parrot]

give the man 5000 belts that he doesn't wear on his waist

[drifting quest]

no

reconveners are essentially clones

[normal tangle]

no it's when old characters get reincarnated or some shit

like surtr -> laevatein

[midnight stirrup]

oh

[amber vapor]

No it's an originium code copy of an operator

[midnight stirrup]

was surtr reincarnated tho

[normal tangle]

yeah

[drifting quest]

whenever a character gets infected with oripathy their data is stored within originium

[midnight stirrup]

didnt she just like

reset her memories

[normal tangle]

there was like a whole event quest about that man

[midnight stirrup]

or whatever

[outer ermine]

can we get amaia back

[normal tangle]

laeva is a reconvener

[drifting quest]

at some point the data is brought out of originium to create reconveners
they retain all the memories of the past life but are their own new person

[midnight stirrup]

huh interesting

[drifting quest]

most follow the same trend in life due to recieving knowledge and memories of their role

[midnight stirrup]

i thought she just like nuked her memories for jokes

[drifting quest]

no surtr had no memories either

[amber vapor]

Reconveners are data copies so when they are "born" they are embedded with the memories of their source code

[normal tangle]

surtr's weird because her memory was passed on but she never had any

[daring dove]

You mean this thing?

[normal tangle]

so it was like her lack of memory was passed on

[midnight stirrup]

is it possible to get emiya in endfield

ive seen people say no

[drifting quest]

i doubt it happens

[amber vapor]

Supposedly Endmin is also a reconvener

[drifting quest]

she's too important

she might still be alive though

[midnight stirrup]

No thats her skill lol

[drifting quest]

we dont know enough

[amber vapor]

Endfield Industries is a subsidiary of Rhodes Island

[drifting quest]

since when

huh

[amber vapor]

All we know is that RI beame reclusive

[outer ermine]

hg pls

[midnight stirrup]

the hand cloths glow and her tail tip is white instead of black

at p5

[drifting quest]

i know EI was helped to be set up by RI alongside other agencies

but i thought they went independent pretty quick

[midnight stirrup]

@daring dove

[summer flower]

Ehh where is it?

[midnight stirrup]

boi

[summer flower]

Boi?

[midnight stirrup]

@dry kindle can u give me the billibilli link of the character effects

so these two can see for themselves

at p5

[summer flower]

No like where its located

I don't remember scenery

[daring dove]

Got it,

[amber vapor]

I'm too lazy to give you all the lore texts but the way oripathy prevention and treatment has improved is linked to RI being the parent company of EI

[midnight stirrup]

yea, her tail tip is black before p5, and those hand cloth things dont glow blue

laevs p5 sucks ass

the two screws on her dress only glow

thats all

[drifting quest]

they're in collaboration, didn't remember reading they were a direct subsidiary though

especially after RI lost contact with the Terra division

[midnight stirrup]

just realised last rite doesnt have the split hair

w

[drifting quest]

and then Terra maybe goes downhill if Kaltsit skin is canon

[daring dove]

Wonder what Ardelia's is like?

[midnight stirrup]

uh idr tbh

[daring dove]

Guess I'll find out tomorrow I hope

[midnight stirrup]

yvonne gets glowy blue spirals in her hair

[high finch]

man, lava surely does a lot of dmg,but how much more comfy i feel in phys. like you can almost permamently stagger the bosses with it and don't run after the boss and look at it's annoying animations etc

[amber vapor]

I may be wrong about the nuances. Forgive my insomniac sleep deprived brain.

[midnight stirrup]

gilberta her cape thing only becomes a bit brighter at the bottom

pog idr, lifeng idr

[drifting quest]

I mean i could certainly be wrong, I haven't done a lore deep dive yet

[bold rose]

who do yall run with LR Xaihi

team-wise

[amber vapor]

Xaihi provides sustain, amp and infliction

[midnight stirrup]

@daring dove https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1ZQzfBFEyy/ found it

[bold rose]

I'm doing Gil Flourite for now

[dry kindle]

[midnight stirrup]

yea ardelia is ass

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sesamestreet-sesame-street-cookie-monster-VIKa3CjZDCoymNcBY5

[amber vapor]

It's like a more watered down version of sig w-engines vfx

[midnight stirrup]

theyre all very mediocre

[amber vapor]

Although much more costly for less

[midnight stirrup]

aside from last rite

she has the most changes

weapons usually look better yeah

my sig is p3 rn

😭

[amber vapor]

Then you gotta get lr p3 to match

[midnight stirrup]

im saying

her weapon hard af to get tho

lucksacked 1, pitied 1, pitied 1 again, got 1 from 2 laev dupes over p5

[daring dove]

Thanks Ardelia's looks pretty cool as well, Gilberta I feel like I'm being gaslighted because they're exactly the same.

Embers it a bit meh

[midnight stirrup]

brighter orange

ardelia only her skirt thingies glow

kinda mid

yea ember is trash

laev too

lifeng and pog too tbh

[summer narwhal]

Oof

[amber vapor]

Do you think they're gonna add any auxiliary glamor effects like an aura or something?

[summer narwhal]

Other than buying from the shop, b how else do I get it?

[outer ermine]

lifeng profile theme tho damn

[summer flower]

I Hope not

[midnight stirrup]

i wanna know lifengs backstory

the giant he has kinda aura farming

[broken locust]

What is this?

[midnight stirrup]

a png

[broken locust]

Where is this from?

[midnight stirrup]

the internet

[amber vapor]

Gotta wait till his side story quest then

[midnight stirrup]

assuming he gets one next patch

but well see

i was surprised that wulf got one

[outer ermine]

its lifengs full pot art

u can check in profile

[broken locust]

I just checked.

Yeah

[midnight stirrup]

U need p5 first

Wait

[broken locust]

Very helpful

[midnight stirrup]

I get new LR art from p3

[outer ermine]

the full

[midnight stirrup]

I forgot

[midnight stirrup]

Youre welcome

[floral cosmos]

what the helly

[dire nymph]

when was pulse pog found

[broken locust]

Amazing honestly. I geniuently do not mind getting three copies of him if it means being closer to this masterpiece.

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

@floral cosmos

I know you

[floral cosmos]

[midnight stirrup]

[naive urchin]

free Last Rite with new update based based based

[midnight stirrup]

Gonna be nr 1 last rite eu

Until rossi releases

[drifting quest]

its just hot work but more intensity

[midnight stirrup]

Then imma throw her in the trash

[dire nymph]

fairs

[naive urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[dire nymph]

im never artificing pog

[outer ermine]

just use both

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/dropping-the-toy-andy-woody-toy-story-2-discarding-the-toy-gif-18416123041951678616

[drifting quest]

honestly as much as the advice is simply to wait

[midnight stirrup]

Watch them both be st cryo dps

[drifting quest]

i trust you all to be smart people

[summer flower]

what;s last rite?

[drifting quest]

its unlikely future stuff will change anything

as long as you're fine with how it feels to play

artifice whatever

[broken locust]

One question, What is the theoriycrafting chat for? I don't quite understand it yet.

[summer flower]

meanwhile i'm throwing everything at perlica's gear cause that one stays on her for sure

[dire nymph]

yeah i like lifeng so im just full sending it for him

[summer flower]

dmg gear weapons mostly

[drifting quest]

"To talk about advanced game mechanics like number crunching."
as per the title

[summer flower]

sometimes story, and some scrubs come here to boast

[dry kindle]

Its just general 2

[twilit quail]

p4 pog is good cause you can run thermite + 3x pulse

[midnight stirrup]

Its where people calculate all the game shit to figure out best comps characters etc etc

[twilit quail]

dude

[dry kindle]

Like every other tc channel

[twilit quail]

Im drinking at 7:30 in the morning

[midnight stirrup]

But we made it generalcrafting

[whole crystal]

thermite cutter or OBJ (im not playing pog)

[drifting quest]

if p4 pog is so good why isnt there a p5 pog

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

answer me that

[broken locust]

Got it. So if I have a crazy build idea do I send i there? or in team building?

[twilit quail]

I got some banging whisky at the airport duty free

[dry kindle]

Bruh

[midnight stirrup]

Reasonable crashout

[twilit quail]

though I got buzzed at the tasting booth

[dry kindle]

🗿

[drifting quest]

if it's an upgraded build, or one you think to be an upgraded build, with some degree of empirical evidence to back it up then send it here
else prob more for team-build or a general chat

meme builds can be here but its iffy

[twilit quail]

I got a dm asking how you should build pog main dps

[broken locust]

It has 0 empirical use. It is just a game theory.

[daring dove]

Do you all think they'll find a way to make Yvonne better than LR, or is Yvonne just destined to be mid without direct kit buffs?

[drifting quest]

empirical would be a clear video, or a sheet

or something

[drifting quest]

the latter

realistically no unit can unbrick yvonne that doesnt make last rite better

[torn raft]

Range tax

[dry kindle]

I expect a full suitcase of fangyi merch

[twilit quail]

I dont think there's gonna be much endfield stuff

original ak yes plenty

[dire nymph]

i lowkey thought yvonne was next so i saved up

[twilit quail]

endfield idk

[dire nymph]

ill probably just drop it on ange

[daring dove]

Yeah maybe a unit that buffs the parties CD, but that seems ultra specific.

[drifting quest]

i want to collect all the beans merch but shipping prices me out of it

and then half the time they're out of stock

[twilit quail]

im going to fan con

[dry kindle]

Wdym you don't wanna drop 150 on shipping

[drifting quest]

im not even american so the shipping is less

but its still expensive

i was going to buy one of the like

bundles a while back

[twilit quail]

so it's going to be very economic stuff

[drifting quest]

but it ended up coming out to like 130 or something

[twilit quail]

I have an itabag

and want to make another

[summer flower]

wait we getting selector?

[twilit quail]

so Im getting fan merch

[drifting quest]

id love to visit a con

[summer flower]

man free slector and then who would i pick?

[dire nymph]

with the qol yeah

[summer flower]

i think i have lifeng's sig

[daring dove]

That being said I could see them releasing an accessible 5* that makes CR/CD better, considering how terrible it is as a stat RN. That or you need to fix the values you get from CR/CD on future weapons. No more of this 19.5% BS give a weapon 40% CR even then it's still worse than ATK%.

But it's at least comparable.

[twilit quail]

idk who its going to be but Im going to make another

[summer flower]

CR is convertible to every dmg dealer

[drifting quest]

actual rice stalk

[summer flower]

is that even endifeld?

[tranquil burrow]

I would prefer if they keep CR rare and difficult to acquire but massively inflate CD

So once you fully build into it you're met with big numbers

[safe sand]

in 4 years trust

[twilit quail]

dude I was BATTLING on my tiny ass hotel table

[summer flower]

no you would have people fishing for crit runs for trimmmed

[twilit quail]

half of my bed was a workbench for two days

[tranquil burrow]

Their suffering is of their own making

[summer flower]

and boasting video spam here

[safe sand]

what if you just went fishing

[summer flower]

or they;ll fish for biggest crit they can do

[safe sand]

:alesh:

[amber vapor]

I'm actually surprised there's no fishing mechanic in the game

Like you're telling me we go to a Chinese region where there's plentiful fresh water and not a single fish in site

Ain't no way the blight doesn't bring an extra layer of flavorful seasoning to piscine

[daring dove]

Give LR like 5% CR so she can deal like 1 million damage hit after 400 attempts.

[manic blade]

Fishing so zzzzz tho

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

id prefer no fishing over a fishing system like stardews though

[summer flower]

have you seen fish there?

it's decorative ones

also werent you attacked by alegoai from water on your way there?

[normal tangle]

is pog sig worth getting? and is upgrading essence for thermite/pog sig a high priority

[thin berry]

[drifting quest]

pog sig is

not great

[safe sand]

bruh why does mountain bearer make lifeng thanos

[daring dove]

There's already enough time wasting activities to do in the game honestly.Too many an it'll stop feeling like a daily log-in gacha & more like a full time life simulator.

[summer narwhal]

Agreed, already too much to do

[summer flower]

i have finished all quests

what i have to do?

i know i can do farming in wuling

[summer narwhal]

OG Arknights

[summer flower]

not playing anymore

[summer narwhal]

Sorry to hear that

[safe sand]

mmm not a believer in the perpetual motion machine

[tranquil burrow]

Run around every zone collecting rare herbs/minerals

[normal tangle]

wym

like even worse than thermite?

[drifting quest]

yes

[normal tangle]

holy

[drifting quest]

damage% buff vs atk% buff things

[daring dove]

Don't be like that Youtuber, you can farm 120 pulls in a day in Enfield "I just played for 27 hours straight".

[normal tangle]

well then is it worth etching +flow for thermite essence or do i just keep farming for laeva essence

[amber vapor]

suspend disbelief

[dry kindle]

Pov you told someone arsenal system is shit

[normal tangle]

what is that server

[dry kindle]

This is why we can't have nice things

Kyo

[summer flower]

ehhh, is there renewable source of pulls that can be done without timegate?

[tranquil burrow]

If you use Laeva and you don't have her essence then that is priority 1 for you

[summer flower]

i dont think so

[dire nymph]

i still cant believe i went -80 on pog sig

[summer flower]

i did played 12 hour straitght few times

or maybe like 8
?

dunno my sleep schedule is messy

[tranquil burrow]

It's not that unlikely. Odds of that happening are ~49%.

[dire nymph]

no its the fact that i touched it in the first place

[summer flower]

?

arsenal system is nice

no more worrying on which one to pull

you have two step system

first you pull chars

then you go and pull weapons

[tranquil burrow]

It dramatically lowers cost of limited + sig for spenders

[dire nymph]

where r u getting the arsenal pulls tho

[summer flower]

from regular pulls

[amber vapor]

I finally completed my clue exchange and then immediately was surprised that I have a surplus of every clue except for 3. This is AK all over again

[summer flower]

• credit store

[dire nymph]

yeah and what if you get them turbo early

[midnight stirrup]

can convert the orange gems to it, or get it from char pulls

[dire nymph]

are you going to continue for pots just to pull on their weap

[midnight stirrup]

I got both lr sig and pog sig on 40 pulls

big

[dire nymph]

sacc

[midnight stirrup]

too bad pog sig sucks ass

[dry kindle]

Except

You fuckin explode if you early pull rate up

[summer flower]

why explode?

[blazing lake]

Bro says LR sig and pog like it's dokkan

https://tenor.com/view/dokkan-nikocado-dragon-stones-dance-lr-gif-20334937

[midnight stirrup]

everyone calls it that tho

[dire nymph]

where else do u get the arsenal pulls

[blazing lake]

I just call them 6*, 5*, etc

[tranquil burrow]

Assuming an f2p income of 60 pulls per patch and you purchase monthly + bp, even with the worst possible luck aka you needing 120 char pulls and 80 weapon pulls it only costs $90 to guarantee a limited char + sig every single patch. $90 is a lot but then you have Hoyo where with the worst possible luck you're looking at $150 just to guarantee a character (assuming pull income of 90 there). Throw in another whooping $300 for the weapon. This is all worst possible luck of course. You will need far lower in both cases in reality. But the cost ratio remains, AKE is much cheaper than Hoyo system for medium spenders.

[midnight stirrup]

i just told u

[dry kindle]

No funds for sig

💀

[dire nymph]

no like

[summer flower]

ehh

[dire nymph]

what the fuck do you do from 0

[midnight stirrup]

huh

[dire nymph]

after an early pull

[summer flower]

last time i checked i dont explode

[dry kindle]

3 a year is not real

[summer flower]

i just slap different weapon

[dire nymph]

lucksacking doesnt count

[midnight stirrup]

i dont get what ur asking

ngl

[dire nymph]

where do u get the 80 pulls

[summer flower]

3 a year?

[dire nymph]

are you going to pull for pots

[dry kindle]

Which is yeah explode

[midnight stirrup]

a 6-star gives 2000

[dry kindle]

Its ass

[midnight stirrup]

a 5-star gives 200

[summer flower]

R-9?

[dire nymph]

and to guarantee we need 80 pulls

[summer flower]

what the heck means R-9?

[midnight stirrup]

i mean ur not supposed to get them easy as f2p

its a luxury thing

so save up

just like how you need to save up 120 to guarantee a char

[dire nymph]

ya what if u get the character turbo early

[tranquil burrow]

You're more or less screwed if you're f2p. But if you're a spender you can simply purchase weapon pulls for origeometry. For spenders, it's always better to get character as early as possible even if you've 0 weapon pulls saved up and need to go to 80 over going to 120 character pulls and then purchasing the remaining weapon pulls.

[midnight stirrup]

u werent gonna get the weapon anyway

whether u got the 6 star at 120 or 10

[ocean hawk]

imo, chaining up banner worth more rather than fully saving and not pulling anything each banner

chaining up is by pulling until 60

and stop

[midnight stirrup]

i did notice

the pity for weapon doesnt reset when u get it early

atleast not after the first pity

[summer flower]

yea you probably wanna get 10 pull on next one at least

[dire nymph]

w.e how much are weap pulls anyway ill just do that

[midnight stirrup]

1980 iirc per 10

[dire nymph]

for op

[summer flower]

also what the heck means r9 next to weapon

[ocean hawk]

if u need the calculation tho

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArknightsEndfield/comments/1qw0xvy/daisychaining_gacha_banners/

[daring dove]

It'll get better for the big spenders eventually as well. People forget incidents like the Staff of Homelessness in early Genshin when banners where far more predatory.

[tranquil burrow]

I don't think 10 pulls are worth losing a spark. Averages and amortized rates are nice but reality is losing consecutive 50/50s is going to suck.

[timber harness]

mid

[proper walrus]

best pog gear?

[ocean hawk]

losing 50/50 doesnt make ur next 6 star guaranteed in this game, so.....

it suck, but from pull perspective, u get more

[midnight stirrup]

the weapon system is weird in this game

but i can live with it

only problem is the lack of income for it

[ocean hawk]

fortmaker

[summer flower]

i was happy why my 6* that were off banner

[tranquil burrow]

Yes but strictly speaking you will win half your 50/50s over the long term. Or even 64/36 if you count the off-rate limiteds as a win.

[sly nymph]

real

[summer flower]

both for weapon and for chars

[dire nymph]

its ok just hit weap on first 10 pull after the character

[midnight stirrup]

Me with P7 laev having only lost 2 5050's. Yes, I agree.

[proper walrus]

not frontiers?

[summer flower]

p7?

[ocean hawk]

oh u ask gear ?

i thought weapon

[midnight stirrup]

fortmaker is the weapon, gear is in pins #team-build

[ocean hawk]

so sorry

[summer flower]

inst max pot 6?

[ocean hawk]

[rare rover]

[sly nymph]

holy shit lol

[tranquil burrow]

I still think saving for spark is the obvious way to go

[dry kindle]

Ps

[dire nymph]

80 op for a 10 pull

nvm

[midnight stirrup]

i got 2 laev dupes past her potential 5 to get last rite signature of the aic shop

[dry kindle]

No you can't use oroberyl

[dire nymph]

fuck that!

ill just brick my account and use bp weaps

[sly nymph]

that conversion rate...

[summer flower]

ehhh

[proper walrus]

what gear?

[ocean hawk]

well, in the end its the bonus pull vs 120 guaranteed pull economy

pick ur posion

[summer flower]

dude, you aware you get arsnela stuff in credit store?

[daring dove]

I mean it would of been cheaper to just buy weapon gacha pulls you know?

[midnight stirrup]

brother read

[dire nymph]

check notes

below it

[dry kindle]

Where's the dumbahh roguelike mode at least it had weapon banner pulls

[tranquil burrow]

Game would basically let bp + pass buyers have limited + sig per patch (again, over the long term) worth of currency if they did that lol

[midnight stirrup]

nah bc i get 2000 for a 6-star

so 2 weapon 10 pulls, plus a guaranteed last rite sig

[dire nymph]

w game

[twilit quail]

even if you wanted to spend you should never do primes for weapon tokens

[midnight stirrup]

if i went for weapon pulls, i would not have gotten last rite sig at all

my pity is 140 pulls rn

[tranquil burrow]

The 120 spark works in lowering your average cost of limited character over the long term. Average without spark is 106 pulls, average with spark is 84 pulls. Average with spark taking into account the free 10 pulls at 30 is 77 pulls.

[midnight stirrup]

pulling for laev dupes also gave me a chance at lr dupes or lifeng

and i got 1 lr dupe

making her p2

so

[dry kindle]

Me omw to pull 7 9 purple 1 yellows in a row

[daring dove]

It's like $160 worse case to get it with weapon gacha pullls. I guess there's not a massive difference if we assume worse case?

[tranquil burrow]

What's $160 to get?

[proper walrus]

im confused

[ocean hawk]

explain to me in detail why pulling from scratch, without the dosier bonus is better than daisy chaining

[gritty olive]

ok the reaso my 880 arclight wasnt progressing is that im potgated by leizialter p3

[ocean hawk]

so purely just from the free 10 pull from the 30 pull

[proper walrus]

also i have pog sig its better than fortmaker right?

[daring dove]

Should be 8 pulls on the weapon gacha, at least it is in pounds maybe a little more in dollars.

[midnight stirrup]

Nah,

Your soft pity starts at 65 increasing by 5% per pull, so you usually dont reach 80 hard pity. 30 ish pulls = 50 bucks. So for 100 bucks I got last rite guaranteed sig, and 2 10 pulls for weapon banner + all currency for 5-stars pulling each 200 weapon currency. Thats better than having to do 140 pulls on weapon banner trying to pity sig. Yea I mightve chanced a LR sig early, but how often does that happen.

Not a lot.

Its 25/75

10 pull on weapon = 20 bucks

[dry kindle]

Nope

[drifting quest]

average pull is 70-73 or so

for char

[normal tangle]

you also get 6* weapons like a crazy amount though

[gritty olive]

what is this convetsation about

[ocean hawk]

we need to take into account the free 5 pull from login and 5 from the exchange

[normal tangle]

4% chance and only 40 hard pity

[drifting quest]

idk i wasnt tabbed in till now

[outer ermine]

whels

[drifting quest]

whaling stuff

[gritty olive]

theoretical ceiling of max dupes?

[normal tangle]

we do not need to take that into account

[proper walrus]

so what build so i use if i have pog sig

[normal tangle]

doesn't matter in this scenario

[midnight stirrup]

I whaled for 2 dupes of laev to get guaranteed LR sig and some weapon pulls over whaling for 140 pulls to get to LR sig pity.

[dire nymph]

one abt arsenal supply the other abt going 120 or daisy chaining

[normal tangle]

this is a hypothetical pure spending

[drifting quest]

the pog sig gets benched

[midnight stirrup]

People think second is better.

[twilit quail]

if fort is like p0-3 sig is probably better

[proper walrus]

wtf?

[drifting quest]

unless you lack p5 fortmaker and a thermite cutter

[ocean hawk]

what ?, I was talking about pull from 0 to 120, not the top up one

[twilit quail]

but if you have thermite you're using that instead yeah

[ebon thicket]

Higher prio to buy Wuling essence tickets or artifice catalysts?

[normal tangle]

oh are there two different p2w convos going

W theory channel

[drifting quest]

thermite cutter >= p5 fortmaker > sig

is my understanding

[twilit quail]

more or less

[drifting quest]

edge cases be edge cases

[midnight stirrup]

yea

[twilit quail]

like sig at p5 gives, what

35% phys dmg?

this is roughly on par with 18% atk from therm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711208910459109466/1444956834715795466/ezgif-299169b000439238.gif

[proper walrus]

how tf is thermite better than sig

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[drifting quest]

dmg% is diluted, atk% is not

opportunity cost to increase attack over damage

[sly nymph]

everyone and their mom running swordmancer kit which has like 40% phys

[midnight stirrup]

also pog wants arts intensity no

sig doesnt offer that

iirc

[drifting quest]

neither do

thermite buff is just that good

[daring dove]

Depends, you could get minimal gains from either if your luck is bad. That said I assume you're considering getting Laevatains essence for her sig?

[midnight stirrup]

doesnt fort

[dry kindle]

Roguelike mode save us

[drifting quest]

fort does

[midnight stirrup]

oh thermite

[dry kindle]

[proper walrus]

but like sig buff the whole team?

[midnight stirrup]

so does thermite

iirc

[twilit quail]

[drifting quest]

so does thermite

[dire nymph]

u’ll get over pulling pog sig too

u’ll be fine

[midnight stirrup]

yea get over it

[drifting quest]

like you can run pog sig if you want

[midnight stirrup]

i did too and found out 5m later fort was better

[drifting quest]

its not like any content is hard enough for it to matter

[sly nymph]

i'm about to do this shit again when i replace valiant with mountain bearer

[outer ermine]

playing phy be like

[proper walrus]

so what set do i use with pog sig

[midnight stirrup]

LAST RITE SUPREMACY

[drifting quest]

same as with thermtie

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/last-endfield-rite-FAeN90YJAj6XxtaJmD

[proper walrus]

frontiers ig?

[tranquil burrow]

$160 to get 80 pulls on the weapon gacha?

Long-term speaking, you will get ~30 (29.9 iirc) weapon pulls per limited character you pull (avg arsenal tickets per pull come out to be 77, raised massively thanks to 2000 per 6 star). Battlepass gives 12, weeklies give 3. That leads us to 46 pulls. However, average cost of a limited sig is actually 51 pulls, so reality is:

Over the long term, you'll be short 5 weapon pulls aka 6 character banner pulls worth of origeometry to get both limited + sig, putting total cost of limited + sig in this game at a whopping ~84 pulls worth of origeometry only. Can't emphasize enough, but these are averages over the long term. For example, you have a ~50% chance to hit 80 pity on weapon banner anyways, so relying on averages here is a bad idea. But good to know what to expect over a year or two.

[dire nymph]

can they add another bp tier im stretched thin after building my phys team

[whole crystal]

did you do the roadmap?

[proper walrus]

no one else in physical can use frontiers other than pog tho?

[dry kindle]

😭

[drifting quest]

the flowchart for selector ?

no

i lost faith in team build channel

no point doing it if im not sending it there

[dire nymph]

what goes on there

[drifting quest]

[dry kindle]

[tranquil burrow]

I've been considering 4x refreshing at this point

[whole crystal]

[dire nymph]

is it fluorite and ember

[proper walrus]

also like frontiers help him recover sp more often no?

[drifting quest]

if you're a regular in this channel i trust your intelligence enough to understand what's good for your account, or ask if its close

you dont need a flowchart

[twilit quail]

frontiers doesnt let him fit another combo into the rotation even with p5 cd reduction

and frontiers is nerfed to shit

making it awful compared to befre

[whole crystal]

this my first gacha im so overwhelmed by all this

[daring dove]

I imagine once you get into end-game gear & upgrading its Ulti-gain stat you'll hit the bottleneck either way.

[twilit quail]

cd reduction doesnt matter

because of the rotation timers currently

[dry kindle]

(Unless you're fluorite)

[twilit quail]

and the buff is nothing compared to what it used to be

doesnt give him intensity

[proper walrus]

but like why are we playing pog dps?

[twilit quail]

doesnt give him charge

does nothing

it's not dps

lmao

[dry kindle]

Its intensity

[twilit quail]

you didnt read the document

[drifting quest]

[twilit quail]

[amber vapor]

"Gacha players can't read" times 1000%

[dry kindle]

Insert pnc meme here

[outer ermine]

[sly nymph]

i'm so tired of changing pog's gear every 5 seconds bro

[proper walrus]

i saw swordmancer

[sly nymph]

please let this be the last

[dry kindle]

I CBA finding it discord is a piece of shit

[drifting quest]

nuh uh

[dry kindle]

Tangtang:

[twilit quail]

show me where the swordmancer set is for pog

please

[sly nymph]

maybe you are thinking of prydwen or something!!

[drifting quest]

bonekrusha pog, xiranite pog, lynx pog, mi security pog, tide surge pog

[daring dove]

Stop using him, problem solved.

[dire nymph]

thats

chens

[twilit quail]

bro

[drifting quest]

thats

chens

lmao

[twilit quail]

you cant be for real

[outer ermine]

lol

[proper walrus]

o

[dire nymph]

i

[gritty olive]

assuming we get a genshin character every 78 pulls and endfield every 73 pulls and ir cost of one pull in endfield and genshin is same
for genshin you get a lim character on average assuming always 78 pulls every [78(win) + 78 + 78(lose)]/2 = 117 pulls
117 * 7 = 819 pulls

for enefield assuming i lose the 120, theres flr[(819-120)/73] = nine. you need two more copies for max pot, so 9C2 / 2^9 = 7%

to match a 50% winrate in genshin for max pot, you need ti be 7% winrate in 9 6* pulls

[dry kindle]

Iana its time to add red arrows

[whole crystal]

for example how or where do you guys get the important breakpoints for characters from? Is there a list or smth

[amber vapor]

Public execution

[proper walrus]

so which one out of the 3

[dry kindle]

Its the only way

[dire nymph]

check notes

[proper walrus]

for pog sig

[tranquil burrow]

What do you mean lose the 120

[outer ermine]

time to add borders

[proper walrus]

im dyslexic

[twilit quail]

i even colour coded it

[dire nymph]

should be there

[twilit quail]

it cant be that hard

to find

[amber vapor]

Breakpoints of what?

[dire nymph]

fairs

[drifting quest]

ult? do the math ourselves
i am 'working' on a plug and play er calc but haha that sucks

[twilit quail]

ok in th enotes section

look for red

[gritty olive]

you need to go 120 for p0

[twilit quail]

and read that line of text

[drifting quest]

im trying to brute force it right now

[gritty olive]

that should be easy enough

"easy"

[twilit quail]

keep going

[drifting quest]

clueless

[twilit quail]

you will see the word sig

[drifting quest]

oh my god

[twilit quail]

in red

[whole crystal]

stats . just any

[drifting quest]

you dont understand

[dire nymph]

u got this

[proper walrus]

so i use bonecrusher?

[drifting quest]

how much you have to hard code

[gritty olive]

just copy genshin ERC

[drifting quest]

thats what im doing

lmao

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

i got about 6hrs deep

[gritty olive]

problem is do you know rot length

[drifting quest]

manually doing it

it broke once

i quit and now im copying genshin's

[tranquil burrow]

You have a 34% chance of needing to go to 120.

[drifting quest]

manual input

[proper walrus]

this effect seems kinda bad no?

[summer narwhal]

So I've been using Endmin/Pog/Chen/Ardelia, maybe switch to Fire/Laev?

[twilit quail]

ok do you see the icon next to the bonecrusher chestpiece

the hourglass

that means that we are using the bonecrusher piece with ult efficiency

[amber vapor]

Essentially you look take a look at all the equations the game uses to calculate bonuses based on stats and %s from amps, etc. since the game gives you the actual breakdown. From there you can see which gear (and artifices) and essences compliment that unit's stats in relation to their kit. Depending on the role an op has on your team, you change the gear to supplement it.

[gritty olive]

im running on assumptions so yeah 7% * 34% = 2.34% to lose and go two for nine in 819 pulls

[twilit quail]

then, we do the same, and find the xiranite hands with will

[proper walrus]

poncho or heavy armor?

[gritty olive]

but if you want to assune something else go. its not bad to always crosscheck what other people have surmised

[twilit quail]

then, we artifice the efficiency on both of those pieces

[dry kindle]

[twilit quail]

the one that matches the icon

[proper walrus]

both matches

[dry kindle]

Fym both

[twilit quail]

there are two bonecrusher chest icons

one has the tubes

[proper walrus]

oh they look too similar

[twilit quail]

one does not

[proper walrus]

okok i se

[twilit quail]

yes

[daring dove]

When artificing gear does the chance of success drop between tier 1/2/3 upgrades?

[whole crystal]

would take me awhole week prolly finding a optial rotation, gear pieces, weapons, what potentials would increase my dmg output the most, etc if I do all the math for that myself. I dont get how you guys do it honestly

[twilit quail]

now, we need to artifice the efficiency on the chest

and also the xiranite hands

[proper walrus]

so umm which 3 piece effect does that trigger?

[twilit quail]

we dont use any

[drifting quest]

neurodivergence

[twilit quail]

because it doesnt do anything for us

[proper walrus]

whaa

[twilit quail]

basically, frontiers is bad and not worth it

we only have two criteria we need to meet

[tranquil burrow]

I feel like it does. 1st upgrade always comes fast, but 3rd upgrade is a mirage.

[twilit quail]

which is ult efficiency

and arts intensity

[proper walrus]

but no 3 pc effect seems to suck

[twilit quail]

the explanation as to why is on the same page

if you really wanted to

do you see the set with 2x xiranite

you can take that, and replace one of the kits with xiranite core(with ult efficiency)

and use that

[proper walrus]

can you proc xiranite 3pc?

[twilit quail]

it will be a bit lower output but it will be comfortable

no

but you can get the 1k hp

[proper walrus]

bru

[whole crystal]

so I have to be neurodivergent to play gachas

[twilit quail]

you can go back to set 1

with bonecrusher and xiranite hands

and then artifice the ult efficiency

and leave it there

[dire nymph]

u can let the people do it for u

so op

[twilit quail]

and just use it with sig

I know it might be difficult

but physical is going through some rough times currently

[tranquil burrow]

No just braindead and stupid because I don't know why we tolerate this genre and monetization that warps even gameplay systems to be worse off

[whole crystal]

what? play the game?

[amber vapor]

If your career or education in any way has you doing arithmetic or requires a basic understanding of statistics you can easily do all the numbers crunching

[proper walrus]

hmm this build will give what?

[dire nymph]

do the math

[proper walrus]

like will it change the rotation a lot

[proper walrus]

whats happening?

[twilit quail]

this gives a little less than enough efficiency to get ult every full rotation with 2 combos and 6 team skills

the actual threshold is 52.6

but we can be a little bit below it

[gritty olive]

this is gacha so theres nothing we can do other than pull in a disciplined fashion

[twilit quail]

you can read the sheet to find out why

[proper walrus]

but im dyslexic

[twilit quail]

we have some charge to help the rotation

[gritty olive]

this isnt like a PVP centric game where youd see balance changes here and there

[twilit quail]

and intensity to make his breach bigger

and that's all we need fro mhim

[whole crystal]

you wanna do it?

[proper walrus]

what if my team is pog lifeng chen ardelia?

[twilit quail]

almost all o fyour damage should come after breach

ok first

why do you not have a da pan or endmin

[dire nymph]

no ill sit here and watch since i have lab in 14 minutes

[proper walrus]

i cant do endmin because i cant survive without healer

[amber vapor]

Exactly. You don't have to engage with the gacha system to do all the PvE content. The system is just a part of the game's overall identity as a way to hook a player to the game for a long time.

So all the number crunching to minmax gear and stats is all for fun

[whole crystal]

idk im a cs grad and dont find it all that easy

[twilit quail]

ok well you need one of the two for physical to really do anything so you gotta either cut ardelia or this isnt really going to work out

[whole crystal]

lab

[twilit quail]

you could cut lifeng but that

is really painful and no good

[proper walrus]

i thought pog consumes the vuln stacks

[twilit quail]

physical needs an outlet for the stacks that deals damage and those are the only two we have

he does it to apply breach yes

[amber vapor]

Like I said earlier the game gives you the formulas it uses for how stats effect a characters DMG and other outputs, etc. You can just put it all into python and run sims on it pretty easily

[twilit quail]

but we need another unit to do the damage

and take advantage of it

[dry kindle]

It don't

[twilit quail]

otherwise we're just leaving a ton of stuff on the table

[proper walrus]

i thought chen does the damage

[twilit quail]

she does but we want another unit

that can spend vuln stacks

[proper walrus]

pog can also do damage right?

[twilit quail]

cause otherwise we're just sitting there and do nothing with them

pog can be given damage gear but it's not good

his personal dmg is quite low

[dire nymph]

you want someone to crush the stacks you get after you breach

[safe sand]

he can but it can be better to build him for a fully supportive role and offload damage to a crusher (endmin, panda)

[whole crystal]

building a programm thats simulates rotations you mean?

[proper walrus]

where do you get stacks after you breach?

[safe sand]

crush dmg multi is a crazy n750% on 4stacks

[safe sand]

same as usual, lifeng, chen

[dire nymph]

lifeng skill
chen combo
da pan ult
lifeng ult

[amber vapor]

Simulates how the swapping gear, etc will affect a characters outputs and then yeah how it affects in a full team rotation

[safe sand]

man da pan really does make vuln stacking that much easier huh

[dire nymph]

all their skills rly

[gritty olive]

currently i have this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[twilit quail]

yeah two stacks for 1 sp once every big rtoation

[whole crystal]

okay yeah I thought about doing that. mby I should to get a better feeling for things

[proper walrus]

orr should i kick lifeng and take ember from selector tmr?

[twilit quail]

and two from ult

[dire nymph]

wait wiat

wait

[safe sand]

ok so like

[gritty olive]

due to me playing ccb arclight i wasnt able to flesh this out for now

[safe sand]

lifeng pot 1

that's that

[dire nymph]

and this is this

sorry

[gritty olive]

you can do custom rots and gear with it but ehh

[safe sand]

you should never really be going out of your way to pick ember at the moment

[twilit quail]

if they really wanted to

[amber vapor]

Since the game tells you how a main stat increase a characters DMG you can just extrapolate the raw percentile. The game tells you the cumulative DMG calc equations it uses too so.

[twilit quail]

it is not the worst decision they could make

however ember isreally not so good

[safe sand]

but lifeng p1

[twilit quail]

and the only thing she is good at is making you not die

if you feel like you need that

[amber vapor]

I could do the code myself but my brain is fried when I have free time at the end of the day

[proper walrus]

but like lifeng needs to get kicked if i want healing?

[twilit quail]

then you certainly could do it

physical cries if it has to kick any of its 4

basically

[proper walrus]

i cant play the game with 0 sustain

[dry kindle]

Just dodge

[safe sand]

i mean what content are you having trouble with

[proper walrus]

overworld enemies cause i accidentally leveled my world lvl too high for the pulls before raising my chars

[proud vector]

Is ember really that bad? She is an extra phys vuln stack at worst on combo skill no?

[whole crystal]

you did this?

[dire nymph]

lower it or wait for the update

p sure they nerfed overworld enemies

or smt

[proud vector]

The endmin/pog/chen is a decent but sp hungey core

[proper walrus]

so whats the best physical team with sustain?

[twilit quail]

If that is how you feel about sustain then you could honestly take ember, at least her combo applies stacks

[torn raft]

#team-build

[twilit quail]

it's better than ard

[whole crystal]

yes but with all the two million ways of how dmg to a character is determent it gets kinda convoluted

[twilit quail]

if you really could not play without a healer

then ember is probably the best way to go

[proud vector]

the real problem is that phys team uses SO MANY SWORDS

[torn raft]

There's a healing item that your supports can give to your main op

Wait what's the cd on it if it has one

[proud vector]

The combat heal items? Those are limited more by number you can carry than cooldown

[amber vapor]

One of these days if my insomnia prevents me from sleeping at all I'll prolly just try to make a neat reference sheet for it all

[proper walrus]

so bye bye lifeng?

[twilit quail]

you could also start farming

[torn raft]

I mean u can have 12 healing items lol

[twilit quail]

and growing yazhen

to make the rare yazhen powder

[torn raft]

Do u need more than that in the overworld

[twilit quail]

and that is significantly better than any factory healing item

[dire nymph]

i do 3 healing 1 res

[proud vector]

😭 if underlevelled for a boss refight, it hurts

[twilit quail]

again, if you really feel like you cant play without a healer your only choice here is going to be ember

just know that it's really not good at all

[amber vapor]

Humble Ardelia ult

[dry kindle]

Just dodge

[twilit quail]

and that usually if you made good consumables

this wouldnt be an issue

[dry kindle]

Umbral disables tacticals but it's umbral so 🗿

[tranquil burrow]

I hear they enabled it

[dry kindle]

Surely umbral phase 2 doesn't get soloed by a laev running in circles

[proud vector]

dam I have LR and pog already this selector is kinda just existing huh?

[dire nymph]

lifeng

[tranquil burrow]

We pray it gives 2k arsenal tickets as well

[proud vector]

God I hope so that would actually be really nice

[tranquil burrow]

0.1% chance though

[drifting quest]

i went searching and couldnt find any reference

so might be bait

[tranquil burrow]

I just read it randomly too so dunno

Maybe they enabled for normal mode and disabled for agony

[proper walrus]

so for the team pog chen endmin ember, do i still go that funny build on pog

[twilit quail]

with endmin and no lifeng you really want more charge

so take set 1

and replace one of the kits with xiranite core with efficiency

and then just leave it

[dry kindle]

Time to do phase 1 laev solo with only left and right clicks

[drifting quest]

yes im sure that will not be hard against stationary enemeis

[proper walrus]

charge for what?

[drifting quest]

or will be hard

[twilit quail]

ultimate

[drifting quest]

for the sarcasm

[proper walrus]

i dont think pog ult give stacks tho?

[tranquil burrow]

Isn't the last 3 mobs the worms, without tacticals it's going to kick up a storm

[twilit quail]

it gives you sp

which you can spend

to add stacks

and that's good

[dry kindle]

Worms

And twins

[proper walrus]

i thought it gives sp after you do all the skills

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

oh no not worms

not the most telegraphed enemy

[twilit quail]

it gives you some in the middle and more at the end

but regardless

youre going to get all of the SP

and you want more SP

because endmin is hungry

[dry kindle]

Worm telegraph in melee always feels fucked

[inner panther]

I think I recognize 4 of the 5... Laev, Gilb, Ardelia, Pogranichnik(?)... who is the one in the middle behind Progranichnik?

[whole crystal]

for example how I imagine it is, that it would be easy to write smth that just gives out the character stats when switching items etc but writing smth that shows you if its worth to swap from gear with higher dmg to ger with lower dmg but therefore some effect that gets applied on the enemy for example isnt since that would maybe then effect the entire rotation or even change the chsracter comp so youd need to write a rotation simulator for that which already sounds a bit harder to do. ykwim? But maybe im just overcomplicating idk this is my first game of this kind that im playing

[drifting quest]

aurora

or snowshine

[torn raft]

Anything telegraph on surtr is fucked i cant see anything

[tranquil burrow]

Which leads to the most interesting point in patch notes that we got imo. They're updating tells for enemy attacks.

The red flash for big enemies is OK but for the rest especially with Laev's red vfx spam it's basically invisible

[dry kindle]

Flamethrower on its way to still be a pain in the ass

[proud vector]

do NOT do the red eye flash before every attack

[dry kindle]

What about blue 🗣️

[proud vector]

[torn raft]

It's how they balanced surtr

[proud vector]

customisable flash?!

Colour wheel flash

Ah no the white flash actually has a reason to exist

[gritty olive]

yes but im already modifying one

this isnt made from the ground up but its my cook

[whole crystal]

cool stuff

[proper walrus]

can i replace both kits with effiency

[twilit quail]

more efficiency wont do anything for you at this point

and will just make his breach not as good

the goal is to do a 4 stack crush while his breach is on the enemy

so long as you have the SP to do that you dont need any more

and you might as well make the breach bigger

[proper walrus]

so the best build is 3 ult eff + 1 arts?

[twilit quail]

yeah as I described earlier

that will feel nice for you

with sig

and you wont need to artifice

[proper walrus]

hmm but which gloves am i using?

[twilit quail]

xiranite ones with will

[proper walrus]

theres one with will

[twilit quail]

yes

that one

i really should make another page for pog alone god damn it

[amber vapor]

You would have to a web-structure pretty much which yes is a bit complex but it would be a fun endeavor

[shut cobalt]

so, since were getting a 6* selector and i can now get lifeng, was thinking of building this, but i have 3 questions...
1: i do have thermite cutter, but its on akekuri for laev, should i remove it and add it there
2: i have 0 of the other 6*s there atm, is it worth it buying of them on the shop when theyre available (i have lots of arsenal pulls)
3: is it worth it based on the other 2 questions

[twilit quail]

well it's not like we need 2nd team rn

nothing stopping you from just taking

the thermite cutter

[shut cobalt]

want to build a 2nd one, be prepared for it and it seems fun to play
and laev is already finished so, nowhere to go with resources

[amber vapor]

Like if I'm making a DMG calc then I would first do a breakdown of how much the main stat affects DMG output and skills, then on top of that I would add on the way different gears affect that as well. So you would have baseline (raw) + additive stats and then separately you would have the overall equations (which the game provides for bonuses, etc.) as the net output.

[whole crystal]

fun?

[summer flower]

i

[twilit quail]

well what Im saying is you can just take the thermite cutter it's fuckin fine

[summer flower]

i'm gonna get lifeng due to having sig

[twilit quail]

and lifeng really wants one of those 6* weapons

either of them are significantly better than the 5*

[shut cobalt]

do the other 2 want it?

[twilit quail]

chen with sundering is fine

da pan with canal is fine

you dont need to go out of the way for their weapons

[summer flower]

wait not valiant is sig for lifeng?

mountain breaker?

wait not valiant is sig for lifeng?

mountain breaker?

[shut cobalt]

i c, i assume it will pop up in the weekly shop at some point, one of them anyways
but is it worth it to go for it rn? based on what i said

[safe sand]

mountain bearer is so cracked

[amber vapor]

I was a neuroscience researcher. The amount of stats I was doing was a lot but it was fun to do.

[twilit quail]

rapid ascent is not really worth it

[torn raft]

Yea u gotta pull on their banner for sig weapons

[safe sand]

(it is his sig)

[twilit quail]

high dupe sundering

is actually better than p0 rapid ascent

and even if exemplar was in the shop Im not sure I would buy it

[proper walrus]

is 41+ art intensity bad tho?

it seems really low

[safe sand]

i wonder if mountain bearer is the best weapon to have dupes of

[twilit quail]

you could have more but it's fine

[safe sand]

lol

[shut cobalt]

sorry, i meant building the 2nd team

[twilit quail]

if you wanted more you would have to start artificing

I mean that's what

you were asking about, no?

weapons for phys

if you have canal just put it on da pan and it's fine

[torn raft]

But sundering is an ugly sword

[twilit quail]

exemplar is not THAT much better

[torn raft]

[sly nymph]

mountain bearer only gets really cracked at p3 tho right

[twilit quail]

just send feedback in survey every patch asking for transmog lmao

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks!

[twilit quail]

yeah before p3

valiant is only slightly worse

[sly nymph]

ill just move valiant to estella when i get p3

[shut cobalt]

gotta wait for weekly refreshes then

[sly nymph]

whatever ig

[twilit quail]

estella 🥲

[sly nymph]

i already wasted mats on pog sig

[proper walrus]

where do i get more

[twilit quail]

ok so

[safe sand]

but the obj razorhorn....

[twilit quail]

the chest and hands in that set

if you artificed the efficiency on them

you could replace the xiranite kit with another one from hot work

and get some more intensity

but for ember + endmin making sure the cycling is good is very important

[sly nymph]

neither has support capabilities and i already have etched essence on lvl 80/90 valiant

[tight haven]

do you think sundering likes being a boxcutter

[proper walrus]

how do i artifice

[sly nymph]

so

[tight haven]

think about how sundering feels

[dusk zenith]

do u use xira for lifeng instead of swordmancer in endmin/pog/chen

[proper walrus]

also how do i cycle with that team im so confused cause you said its for handless people

[whole crystal]

ic

[torn raft]

Let us melt it down into something else

[twilit quail]

in the nicest way possible, if you are not at a stage where you know what this is, you should stick to the set with more ult efficiency

[twilit quail]

first get enemy to 4 stacks

you can do this with chen skill and combo

ember combo

then use pog skill to apply breach

once chen combo comes off cooldown do that again

put 4 stacks on the enemy

and use endmin to eat it this time

then start that all over again

you are probably going to be pressing chen skill a lot

[twilit quail]

if you are in fight where cycling is important probably yeah

[safe sand]

lol

[twilit quail]

but for daily hell no

just get him to slam the fuckers

[sly nymph]

it is what it is…

[safe sand]

i have 3/3 on my razorhorn so

[sly nymph]

at least ill be able to use it unlike pog sig

which is just sitting there

[safe sand]

dmg% my behated

[proper walrus]

my chars are like maxed out

[dry kindle]

Gimmie your crowns

Whel

[sly nymph]

hard to believe

[proper walrus]

wait skills are m1

[dusk zenith]

for long term then it seems xira would be better? dailies are kinda wtv and i dont wanna artifice two dif sets for him

[twilit quail]

just look up a video on artificing or something

ok so the thing is

I wouldnt be artificing for physical rn

just last week

we had like 3 massive changes

[tranquil burrow]

2 limited weapons or ~40% additional stamina for an entire year. Which would you guys pick?

[twilit quail]

to gearing

[proper walrus]

what changes?

[dusk zenith]

[dry kindle]

I'm praying there's another gear batch in wuling

[twilit quail]

but xiranite

is probably a safer bet

just do ult efficiency first

and even if the sets change

[tranquil burrow]

The surveys heavily implied they're trying to assess if that's something the players can accept

[twilit quail]

you'll probably be able to reuse them somewhere

[proper walrus]

so i just go 3 xiranite + 1 hot work kit?

[twilit quail]

yeah that will work for you

andn then just go watch a video on artificing or something

[proper walrus]

wait or do i just not use hot work cause xiranite cape gives art intensity

cause now i lose bonekrusha ult gain

[dry kindle]

Fuck me

[dusk zenith]

if i shouldnt be artificing what do i do for pog lol, using thermite or fortmaker both want artificed sets

[drifting quest]

more gear is better as long as its not a gear tier

[tranquil burrow]

I mean, the general tone I got was that they want to move forward with what players like, not as a "can we get away with this"

[proper walrus]

i use sig

[tranquil burrow]

Like if they want more gear farm or less or whatever

[dusk zenith]

dawg i dont have his sig

[shut cobalt]

should i pull on this for phys team + wulfgard? 5 out of the 7 weapons i want
just if its worth it

[neat snow]

Artificing will become easier over time as we get more wuling factory

[tranquil burrow]

Weapon pulls are extremely valuable, save them for limiteds

[proper walrus]

like is this a safer bet?

[shut cobalt]

i c, but if mountainbearer or valiant comes in the weekly shop, should i get it for lifeng? (its extremely cheaper that way)

[drifting quest]

mountainbearer likely wont

valiant might