theorycrafting

[amber vapor]

As a p1 Yvonne haver I would have rather had another Pog pot. Yvonne in theory is fun but in reality she is too clunky and I really don't know why they made it so she can straight up just miss her skills

[drifting quest]

stuff like laev's per enemy hit

[frozen tide]

have a virtual machine run a copy of the game and screenshot the individual damages

[twilit quail]

oh dude

remember when ange aspd pot

was important in like 3 ccs?

imagine

future team where we need her charge pot

to hit breakpoint

AHAHA

[summer flower]

Okay, it seems it is as provided just today

[twilit quail]

PLEASE make it happen it would be so fucking funny

[drifting quest]

there's probably a use case right now for it

[summer flower]

Attack% on weapon is applied to base attack as whole

[twilit quail]

maybe it exists already

and we just havent found it

[drifting quest]

damn

no ult gain, just gilberta

yvonne gets

107 energy

she needs

110

to 2 rot

lmao

[twilit quail]

yvonne isnt a caster anymore and doesnt get the bonus

[drifting quest]

oh

bricked

[twilit quail]

though it would be extremely funny if that was how it worked

and you just get cancer without her

[amber vapor]

Was Yvonne a lot stronger in the tests?

[drifting quest]

haha

[twilit quail]

ahahahaha

oh man

[sterile patrol]

[somber dove]

[amber vapor]

[twilit quail]

in cbt3 she had

such awful, terrible, dogshit gimped everything

struggles to get energy

[daring dove]

Yep it’s arguably the best stat in the game as a boost. Hence why I was saying earlier CR weapons are pretty bad compared to ATK% weapons. Thats why we’re seeing characters like LR will a well invested signature doing more damage than Yvonne just a better weapon by far.

[twilit quail]

struggles to get stacks with what was available

struggles to get anything

[terse furnace]

Yvonne's pretty held back by her team options being extremely limited on release tbh, I think her concept might be okay but idk why they decided to release a Cryo/Nature consumption character with limited options in both categories

[whole crystal]

what theory are we crafting today?

[twilit quail]

when we have stuff like lae with 3 free units as teammates

and physical, while being expensive, all standard banner units

yvonne currently

ick

[terse furnace]

How many people we can convince into pulling for Gilberta

[whole crystal]

not me that for sure

[summer flower]

So what's breaking point for crit rate and diminishing returns on attack%?

[twilit quail]

it's so crazy that fluorite is still the way she is man

[drifting quest]

Crit rate depends on the char
Atk% has no true diminishing returns only dilution

[summer flower]

I know its dilution

[terse furnace]

I wonder if a Cryo Wulfgard level of infliction is enough to make Yvonne on par with LR

[twilit quail]

LR would just get better

and still end up being stronger

[terse furnace]

🥀 probably a bad example but you get my point

[twilit quail]

then

hm

it would be close

[terse furnace]

Cryo in general has pretty bad inflictors

[tight haven]

i cant imagine a solution that isnt blatantly like

[terse furnace]

The only reason LR is doing so good rn as a Cryo DPS is cuz she has self infliction

[twilit quail]

they also buffed her sig a little

for fun

[whole crystal]

what is dilution?

[tight haven]

"Allies with handcannons gain +50% Ultimate Gain Efficiency and +50% Critical Rate and DMG"

[twilit quail]

the numbers in her kit are good enough at least

[amber vapor]

Yeah you really only need her + someone else that can apply affliction and then the rest of her team is super flexible

[twilit quail]

and while her ult gain is kinda shitty

[tight haven]

its so hard to shut lr out man

[twilit quail]

nothing will ever compare to cbt2 yvonne

[tight haven]

yvonne has so many fundamental issues

[twilit quail]

dear god cbt2 yvonne

[amber vapor]

I tend to use it to sweep ads more than actually using it on bosses

[tight haven]

she actually felt like a 4*

[drifting quest]

The more of a buff type you get the less value future amounts of the same buff get compared to prior amounts.

From 0 to 5% the buff is notable

From 100% to 105% that increase is a lot less notable

[tight haven]

lowkey

[terse furnace]

Functionally, Yvonne's just in a terrible spot because you're forced to run Xaihi (for buffing) and Gilb (Nature infliction), and if you do that then Xaihi's combo is virtually unusable because you don't want to ruin the Nature stack

[twilit quail]

if fluorite wasnt an invalid

it might be ok

but she is

[amber vapor]

I still use fluorite

[tight haven]

should also mention that opportunity cost factors a lot into this

[whole crystal]

thank you

👍

[twilit quail]

god I still cant fucking believe it why didnt they do anything for her

[tight haven]

IF you can choose to boost a stat thats currently at 0% by 20% or a stat that's at 120% by 20% you choose the former

[terse furnace]

Credit where credit is due, Fluorite does solve the one fundamental issue that Yvonne has (bad inflictors) by synergizing with Gilberta

The problem is that the lack of damage amp severely affects her output compared to the other heavy hitters

[tight haven]

because you boost your overall damage more by boosting a lower multiplier

[drifting quest]

Yeah

[terse furnace]

I hear they technically buffed her from CBT2 - something about her ult apply infliction now. That's it, though

[twilit quail]

ult spam is a little better now yeah

[amber vapor]

Yeah her ult applies +1 affliction but it's so minute that in my rotations I just save it for a teensy bit of a DMG squeeze to finish off enemies

[twilit quail]

it's just so weird because

that char was so popular

[terse furnace]

It's minute, but that minute infliction gain is great for Yvonne because her options are so limited

[amber vapor]

What ends up happening with me is I build stacks faster with LR and Xaihi before I even need to use fluorite's combo so it ends up being wasted after I'm already doing my full Yvonne combo (skill, combo, ult) + LR combo and ult

[terse furnace]

Gilberta soon tm

[tight haven]

yvonne was more popular than gilberta

among our group of cbt testers

and then everyone kinda realized shes insanely mid

unironically akekuri was kind of carrying her ass

[amber vapor]

Although actually if my rotation is perfect I am able to reapply solidification almost instantly after it breaks the first time

[tight haven]

just by "fixing" rotations a bit

[terse furnace]

It's so funny cuz everywhere I looked, on week 1 people were hyping up Yvonne as a good DPS, but every time I looked at her kit I was trying to understand how the fuck they even made her function

[tight haven]

i thought the same too cuz i got her hella early in cbt2

[amber vapor]

It definitely has to do with the fact that solidification is just since a good arts reaction

[tight haven]

then i got laev and it was like

wait

wtf

LOL

[summer flower]

Crit rate for judgment is half of amount

[amber vapor]

Immobilizing an enemy for free DMG is just good

[tight haven]

and then i got phys too

[twilit quail]

I had last rite as well and that's what I was playing at first

since, hey, why not use the new char in the test

and I was like wow this is godawful

[tight haven]

yeah i also thought lr was bad

[twilit quail]

then I got yvonne and

"holy shit this is even worse"

[tight haven]

LOL

[sterile patrol]

yvonne my t0 queen

[amber vapor]

I pulled LR first then then later got Yvonne and decided to try her out

Now I wish I never touched Yvonne

So many mats lost

[frigid vector]

no last rite hate she's bangin

[amber vapor]

[tight haven]

lr's biggest problem is needing really exact investments

[sterile patrol]

lin

[tight haven]

yvonne's problem is existing

[frigid vector]

guoba

[drifting quest]

last rite players when the boss reveals its not a 1 phase fraud like rhodagn

[tight haven]

dude

even vs rhodagn

she shits herself

[frigid vector]

just p5 bro, yzmoon 1 shotting triaggelos 😔

[sterile patrol]

[amber vapor]

Rhodogan cleansing stacks on phase 2 annoys me

[frigid vector]

I believe she can 2 rot rho though

[tight haven]

idt you can skip phase 2 with yvonne

her damage distribution is too spread out

[frigid vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ajFjz2ENx/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.click&vd_source=2333cbdc65b59f6ff9aa23e64112a156

[summer flower]

No you cant

[frigid vector]

whale but still

[summer flower]

How do you even want to skip phase 2 without shatter?

[amber vapor]

You can't even get a basic attack chain or full ult chain out before he decides to attack or pounce in the air 🗿

Yvonne is just too slow

[summer flower]

Like if you want to skip phase 2 you need single hit with high dmg

[tight haven]

lr gaming

and laev gaming

[frigid vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11F6yBaEN2/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.click&vd_source=2333cbdc65b59f6ff9aa23e64112a156 triaggelos

[summer flower]

So like 4 vunerabilties eaten

[tight haven]

laev can actually just solo rhodagn

in like 50s

[summer flower]

On crush

[tight haven]

its hilarious

[amber vapor]

WHAT

[tight haven]

i hope she remains the solo numerical ceiling for a while

[frigid vector]

it's p5

but

aside from skipping phase 2 adds

[amber vapor]

Oh yeah no wonder

[twilit quail]

I just want next patch already

[frigid vector]

she gets enough resources to ult after combo on 3rd phase

[amber vapor]

No way my p0 ult fries that hard

[frigid vector]

and phase 1/3 are straightforward

so the only big breakpoint is being able to skip p2 adds

[amber vapor]

Real. I need more Ferrium for Wuling

[terse furnace]

I want to know what's coming so I can start planning 🥀

[frigid vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1SL6sBSE5U?spm_id_from=333.788.player.switch&vd_source=2333cbdc65b59f6ff9aa23e64112a156

yvonne is just a last rite ult burst team tbh

[amber vapor]

Boutta mine so much Ferrium we get the rust virus from Bisco

[twilit quail]

yvonne + LR
look inside
worse than just LR

[summer flower]

I was told those small white glowing thingies don't respawn, so am i that bad at not missing them?

[daring dove]

Yeah I’m nearly breaking 5000 ATK on mine (without buffs) an I haven’t even touched artifacting my gear & my weapons isn’t even max ATK% or INT yet. I reckon once maxed she’ll be around 6500 ATK before buff.

[twilit quail]

twice the investment half the results RAHHHHHH

I want to raise electric team

in preparation

[amber vapor]

What small white thingies?

[twilit quail]

but I thought about it, and literally all 3 units there currently

might get replaced

so Im only giving gifts rn

[summer flower]

Gather nodes

[frigid vector]

elec

[tight haven]

yeah im not prefarming shit

[frigid vector]

is the only team I've been investing into

cause it's just too fun

[tight haven]

especially not with how fucking expensive it is to raise an op

[frigid vector]

setting up 12 spears then shredding as soon as stagger hits is pretty nice

[tight haven]

like goddamn

[twilit quail]

I know the guys are working on 25s electric rhodan

I think theyre pretty close

[frigid vector]

what's the current record

link

[summer flower]

Yea its good

[twilit quail]

29.6

[summer flower]

Avyenna slaps

[twilit quail]

sorry 29.9

[amber vapor]

Avy just canonically the wielder of Gaebulg at this point

[twilit quail]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV17h6aBXEHD

[frigid vector]

I'll probably try routing a no artificed gear pieces later

since nobody is artificing avy pieces

😔

[wintry hazel]

Doesn't gil and perlica suits tgt?

[amber vapor]

28 hours in the ship for 1 resource too

[summer flower]

I am

I was artificing one gear for her

[twilit quail]

an important thing here is going to be

[summer flower]

3/6

[twilit quail]

ange weapon

[frigid vector]

unfathomably based

[wintry hazel]

So gil apply lift/vuln and perlica adds +20% more so 40% atk buff

[twilit quail]

and then also pumping her personal dmg here

and they think that can get it down to 25

[summer flower]

That thing eat 3k of components

And is still at 3/6

[tight haven]

is ange weapon that much of a change

[summer flower]

Also its crit non set

[tight haven]

the problem doesnt seem to be a lack of damage(?)

[wintry hazel]

Not future electric dps?

[twilit quail]

it's the buff

[tight haven]

like the rotation just seems too slow

[twilit quail]

the giant

you know

44% team magic dmg buff

[tight haven]

hm

[frigid vector]

I mean sure but I fuck with avy and she's genuinely fun to play regardless

[daring dove]

I really hope version 1.1 has another character that works in Laevatain’s team. Really want to get rid of Wulfguard soon.

[tight haven]

can that cut out a single cskill

lol

ig we'll see

[twilit quail]

her ult on a crit

[frigid vector]

jet is a solid weapon all around and many of the units that you need for elec are flex

[twilit quail]

is also going to be upwards of 200k+

[frigid vector]

like perlica and gil

[twilit quail]

with statstick set

[tight haven]

oh right

[wintry hazel]

So u gonna pull gil and hope future elec use her too?

[tight haven]

gilberta moment

[twilit quail]

and it can shave some off

without activating phase transition

[frigid vector]

I'm gonna pull gil generally, the char is cool and has a lot of teams she could slot into

[woeful plume]

gilbuhta

[wintry hazel]

I thought only 2 which is avy and yvone?

[drifting quest]

20 free pulls and a dream
1 pog 1 gilb

[terse furnace]

do note that Gil is also gonna be good for any future nature DPS that comes out

[tight haven]

gilb p2 is actually the worst-localized thing in the game

[terse furnace]

whoa whoa, Shuo, those are my pulls

[tight haven]

like actually wtf do you mean "each stack of vulnerability multiplies the effect"

[frigid vector]

she can also work in lae teams as an ardelia replacement and have condensed rotations

[tight haven]

it already does that???

[frigid vector]

its generally a strong open world/aoe gatherer and does well in crisis mode deep dives

[wintry hazel]

Fair but I gotta see nature dps gfx first

[frigid vector]

and with the aoe in umbral monument will likely perform there too

[tight haven]

well it doesnt multiply it adds to the effect

surely this doesnt actually multiply it right

@twilit quail do u have any idea what gilb p2 does

[twilit quail]

you know how each stack increases the vuln by 3%

[terse furnace]

I mean, look at it like this:

Currently we lack nature inflictors, and Gilberta is the only good one. If we get a DPS in the future that needs nature infliction, Gilberta is the only character that'll be able to support them

[twilit quail]

that 3% becomes 6%

[wintry hazel]

But u stated about for elec
So I was asking , what if she's not used for future elec dps
So u gonna just stick with avy or bench her or smt? Just speculation

[daring dove]

The thing that makes this game so interesting to me, is eventually we might have teams where 3 strong DPS & 1 support work together. Since all characters are on-field. But currently they’ve been quite careful about making all the good DPS characters screw with each other when on one team.

[twilit quail]

and so when you do double qte before burst

[wintry hazel]

Yuh

[tight haven]

bruh

it DOUBLES THE BONUS?

[amber vapor]

https://mobalytics.gg/arknights-endfield/characters/gilberta-build-guide

[twilit quail]

the ult will apply (30+6*3)%

[drifting quest]

Mobalytics

[frigid vector]

I don't follow, she's really good for elec so I'll use her with elec. We prolly won't get another elec main dps until fangyi, and even then gil feels like a safe investment because she's a flex unit

[drifting quest]

[tight haven]

ok ty

[terse furnace]

My ass doesn't even use Mobalytics for TFT

[tight haven]

holy hell thats incredible

[twilit quail]

it's quite good yeah

[wintry hazel]

Idk tho but I kinda can see gil+perlica+arclight work on future ele dps
Due to gil making perlica hits 2 times on the buff thing and gil also amp

[tight haven]

goddamn im gonna get pulled in by that p2

[amber vapor]

Hey they at least have everything neatly organized

[twilit quail]

this is a deranged way to put it though

[tight haven]

yeah i like.

have no clue what they were trying to even say

[amber vapor]

Their builds have corrupted Deadlock too

[terse furnace]

It's also the access to corrosion, which can greatly amplify the damage

[wintry hazel]

Wdym u don't follow?
Yeah I'm talking about what if fangyi don't even use gil
So u gonna skip fang or bench gil or smt

[frigid vector]

like I don't really get what you're trying to ask exactly, if fangyi doesn't use gil I'll find out what she uses and look to invest on it if the team comp is fun

if that's the case maybe I bench gil for fangyi if that's the case, but she's still a generally useful unit outside of it with good QoL

[amber vapor]

If Fangyi's story elec form is anything to go off of I wouldn't be surprised if she summons an AoE of bolts and then one final big bolt that's a single target

[frigid vector]

and personally I'd bet on gil being a unit that lasts more than a single patch owing to her flexibility

it's not like gil is that expensive to invest in either

[glad niche]

Leek lady's appearance in story suggests she'll be an ultimate bot, in giga leek form

[amber vapor]

Nature 6*s in general just seem like very good universal supports with amp

[twilit quail]

I wonder if they will try to develop a sense of identity via how the damages comes out for each team cause that's a very important part of how they feel to play

[terse furnace]

I mean, in these kinds of games we'll typically default to a hypercarry comp

[frigid vector]

don't think they'll figure out proper team building identities until 1.4-1.5+ as metas start developing

[terse furnace]

I think Phys is the only comp that runs 4x DPS lul

[twilit quail]

no I mean

HOW the damage comes out

do we stand around for 20s doing nothing

[frigid vector]

as in, battle skill focus, ultimate focus, reactions, etc?

[amber vapor]

There will definitely be more characters with a similar passive to Laev

[twilit quail]

and then blow the guy up with a single instance of damage

[wintry hazel]

This is what I was tryna ask basically

[twilit quail]

or do we spread it out

[drifting quest]

the eula method

[wintry hazel]

So u gonna pull her Sig too?

Seems like it

[twilit quail]

or, hell, can we get something DoT based

[frigid vector]

I can afford it but you can also just run her with stanza

[ocean saffron]

where do you guys practice rotations? nothing has hp and all the bosses have cutscenes 🙁

[glad niche]

As long as we have amp, suscept, link and SP econ - its always gona be afk 20secs then BOOM

[frigid vector]

her bonus is loaded on 5s ult so it synergises well

but I'm not precious about rolling for characters since I need to for content anyways

more about what I invest resources into long term

[amber vapor]

I could see them making a character that does higher DMG the lower their health is and their kit revolves around faster attack spd and crit dmg

[terse furnace]

Unironically I take out an excel sheet and start mathing out the inflictions per skill

[frigid vector]

problem with a spreadsheet is that it's easy to get blinded by combo skill cd alignment at times

personally just put on a low lvl weapon and go bully rho...

😔

[terse furnace]

hey, I didn't say it was the most efficient

[sly nymph]

kill rhodagn

[terse furnace]

But understanding the overall inflictions helps a lot

[ocean saffron]

he does that cutscene skip to the middle mid rotation :/

[frigid vector]

that's why you take weapons off/lower your damage on purpose

[twilit quail]

we have good tools for this in chinese

[frigid vector]

unless you need fully artificed gear for ult gain or something you're kinda free to mess around without needing things

endaxis?

[wintry hazel]

Lowk I have same situation as u rn

[wintry hazel]

So I'm just taking yr advices as reference of mine

[tight haven]

please god

i have yet to come across something else as poorly worded as this

[amber vapor]

A lot of descriptions failing to just give the raw numbers is very irritating. It's like I'm playing MonHun all over again

[tight haven]

fr

like just give the fucking values lmao??

who does this help

[terse furnace]

Yvonne's P3 is also badly worded, it took me a while to understand that the cdmg increase was added to the pre-existing talent

[tight haven]

a lot of pots do this

especially for talents

[daring dove]

The suggested one sounds even more confusing.

[tight haven]

its annoying

[tight haven]

does it?

i tried to make it so that you can intuit exactly what is happening while still following the game's "style"

• the bonus susc is doubled
• enemies are treated as having 1 more vuln stack when calculating the bonus

[wintry hazel]

Say, u are gonna pull Sig and gil
Make them lv 90
Essence to Max
And artifice her gear too?

[terse furnace]

@twilit quail are we crazy enough to take this into consideration for energy calcs in the future? lmao

[compact bridge]

What is the maximum stat possible for essence drop? 3/3/3!

[twilit quail]

I was contemplating the possibility earlier

[drifting quest]

i dont want to talk about it

i hate energy i hate energy

[twilit quail]

it's gonna come up at some point for sure

[terse furnace]

A core part of any gacha's minmax math

[daring dove]

Yeah the way I understand it, it’s essential just upgrading the amount of additional susceptibility applied to the enemy by 1 level. Each level is 3%, but maybe I have that wrong.

[unreal light]

Hey, so, is it worth buying for main dps Chen as a last refine?

Or I’d better save the coins and try to get this 5 star from gacha, while hunting for a 6*?

[vagrant sparrow]

you get that weapon for free

on the web event

[twilit quail]

p5 sundering is just kind of better than p0 ascent

because of the nerfs

[unreal light]

I got all copies but one

[twilit quail]

good investment if you ask me

[unreal light]

What were the nerfs, I’m unaware

[tight haven]

no it doubles it

like actually just doubles it

[compact bridge]

Aspirant look better on chen not gonna lie

[glad niche]

If its final copy, I'd consider it worth 20% of a 10 pull. Depending on what you're missing for other chars

[twilit quail]

agi > main stat(losing 24 of the stat)
dmg vs staggered decreased

[unreal light]

It does not

[dull oriole]

how does laev get her 4th mf stack in gilb team? just wait for wulfgard to come off cooldown and do ake skill wulf combo again?

[tight haven]

yeah you need wulf with pretty high ult eff

lol

no way around it

[unreal light]

Thanks that makes sense. Her other teammates all have 6* weapons

[tight haven]

use obj velocitous if needed

[daring dove]

Ah so if you had 2 levels, it would be 12% an 3 levels 18% for example? But with one level still only 6%.

[twilit quail]

p5 sundering is just bis here if your ascent doesnt have dupes

[dull oriole]

yikes

[sterile patrol]

btw @twilit quail is that gil p2 part tested

[tight haven]

the values of this line are doubled

[twilit quail]

that's how it worked in the last test

[tight haven]

across the board

[twilit quail]

I dont have the p2 yet

[sterile patrol]

gotcha

[twilit quail]

but the wording is the exact same in chinese

and quite clear

[unreal light]

I see, I also got +5 +5 +2 essence for sundering

[tight haven]

yeah i getcha

[sterile patrol]

alright thanks

[tight haven]

its probably still the same

[summer flicker]

maybe i can get p5 sundering in gacha

[twilit quail]

just wait for it to rotate through the shop

if you want copies

generic 5* will come around eventually

Im buying monaihe copies lol

[summer flicker]

what chen best weapon, i want to eventually go into phys team with chen

[twilit quail]

cause it might come up at some point

since it's literally just fortmaker

[unreal light]

Ascent into sundering

[twilit quail]

p5 steel > p0 ascent > p0 steel

[summer flicker]

ohhh, hmm

i guess worth it then

🥀

[sterile patrol]

5* weps my beloved

[terse furnace]

You say this as if physical exists without Chen

[twilit quail]

I believe p2 ascent beats p5 steel

[summer flicker]

i dont have pog yet

[twilit quail]

by a very very small margin

[unreal light]

Pogranichnik main dps goes goes

[daring dove]

Is vulnerability only applied by phy teams. Or would ice stacks count as well for example?

[terse furnace]

Well you see, that's the bigger problem

[summer flicker]

so, not building phys rn since im busying with gilb yvonne ake xaihi too

ok sending it

[terse furnace]

You could build Shatter

That's technically a physical team that doesn't run Pog

[summer flicker]

400 is like 4 weeks anyway

[sterile patrol]

unless?

[summer flicker]

wait i alr p3

2 more

[frigid vector]

80 probably, 90 is very expensive and unless I need it for a speedrun breakpoint I probably won't bother until resources are more abundant

[summer flicker]

i dont have resouce rn, i need to max xaihi + gil

[terse furnace]

Does anyone know how long this event lasts btw? I kinda forgot about it until just now lmao

[terse furnace]

Guoba, I am once again requesting you fund my Pog 🥀

[summer flower]

It doesnt i think

[sterile patrol]

fuck

[drifting quest]

one day

[terse furnace]

It's okay, I will surely get Pog and Gilb in 20 pulls during the Gilb banner

[unreal light]

I believe, you can create infinite amount of mails, and invite them, to spin the roulette and gain the event currency

[summer flicker]

do we know if the near future event gonna give standard pulls or not

[summer flower]

Surely it won't be selector from standard recruitment

[torn raft]

Didnt that get people banned

[summer flicker]

[unreal light]

That’s how I speedrunned the event

[daring dove]

You missed a 0

[unreal light]

Back when the game wasn’t live yet

[sterile patrol]

[dull oriole]

2/5

[torn raft]

Probably a 10 pull from upcoming event or more etchspace

[summer flower]

Sus

[terse furnace]

It's probably reasonable to assume we'll eventually get enough currency to hit 300 - Gachas like these tend to do that

[summer flower]

Looks like after thought so to shield from Gettin ban fast

[unreal light]

How come

[summer flower]

That come @unreal light

[frigid vector]

300 does tend to take a while though

probably looking at 6-8+ months down the line

[summer flicker]

see phys team in 6-8 months

[unreal light]

Idk I wasn’t banned for that

[summer flicker]

[vagrant sparrow]

i hecking love logging in, do my 4 runs and log out with no gains

[summer flower]

Arent those sometimes in one of shops?

[dull oriole]

endfield might be quite a bit slower since there’s no monthly/patchly shop pulls refresh

[summer flower]

Coolant

Am i misremembering things?

[unreal light]

You gain gel, no worries

These are your chances to upgrade

[sterile patrol]

yikers

[summer flower]

O.O

Very high 60%?

Oof

[drifting quest]

2.7%

[unreal light]

High 24

[drifting quest]

better than i thought

[summer flower]

Dunno very high should be 80

Not 60%

:(

[tight haven]

oh my god bruh

thank you for this

[terse furnace]

2.7%
I guess I figured out what to use my coolant gel on

[empty flower]

Guys Rapid acsent is bis for chen right?

[sterile patrol]

waiting on someone to 1->6 in one try

[drifting quest]

why does gilberta weapon have to have more ult gain than the rest

[vagrant sparrow]

thanks for the graph i guess i need a bunch

[tight haven]

sunder is better at p5 iirc

[unreal light]

Yes, unless you have p5 sundering and p0 ascent

[tight haven]

compared to p0 ascent

unsure if p1+ ascent is better than p5 sunder

[sterile patrol]

pretty sure they did that just to fuck with you

[empty flower]

I lose 25/75 so many times it p2 now

[drifting quest]

FOUR MORE DROP DOWNS

[tight haven]

use ascent

[drifting quest]

I LOVE USER FRIENDLINESS

[terse furnace]

Ah, so this is why you were crashing out about energy

[weak meteor]

there isnt another 6 star weapon with ult gain?

[twilit quail]

this is tragic because you pulled on pog sig

and pog sig

aiiiieeeeee

what a terrible situation Im so sorry

[drifting quest]

its just one for each weapon type in 5*

and then gilb sig

all the 5*'s have the same ult gain per rank

[tight haven]

yeah uhh

dont get pog sig

thermite cutter is better at almost all invests

[terse furnace]

Are we still up in the air about how good pog sig is? Two days ago we were saying it's worse than Fort, then yesterday we were saying it's better than we thought. Where are we now?

[woeful plume]

does antal use charge set

[twilit quail]

it's slightly better than we thought because a new da pan calc came up

[drifting quest]

it has a use case maybe*

[tight haven]

pog sig might be better in the future if we get more atk% saturation in phys

[drifting quest]

with da pan

[tight haven]

oh right

[drifting quest]

but it might still just be worse with da pan

[tight haven]

that new thing

[terse furnace]

Sunova...another Phys rotation?

[twilit quail]

no it's a different set

[woeful plume]

it looks pretty visually appealing is all i will say

[twilit quail]

with yinglung

[tight haven]

but yeah if you have thermite cutter just use it

[daring dove]

It’s also generally good, whereas POG’s sig is useful for only PHY teams.

[drifting quest]

changed the set to keep the rotation

[tight haven]

dont chase pog sig

[twilit quail]

and it is slightly better

when everything is fully maxed out

[tight haven]

bro yinglung is BACK?

[drifting quest]

oh is it not the pre p5 dapan stuff

[twilit quail]

max essence p5 exemplar

[drifting quest]

wallahi

[twilit quail]

and in THAT situation

[terse furnace]

Honestly, I'd probably still use Pog sig because it's a small DPS difference in exchange for drip

[unreal light]

So what if I have p2 pog sig

[twilit quail]

IF you are running charge lifeng

[drifting quest]

same logic i guess

[tight haven]

kinda true

[twilit quail]

THEN pog sig is marginally better than thermite cutter

[tight haven]

p0 therm vs p0 pog sig was like a ~5% dpsp diff no

[twilit quail]

however if your lifeng is high dupe

[whole crystal]

real

[twilit quail]

therm cutter is better again

it's

[tight haven]

p3+ lifeng

[twilit quail]

the sig still isnt worth it from a numerical perspective

[unreal light]

Huh?

[twilit quail]

p2 pog sig is I think

slightly ebtter than p0 therm in most situations

so you can use it

[tight haven]

yeah if youve sunk resources into it might as well atp

[unreal light]

I mean I’d probably need to use thermal cutter in my second team

[twilit quail]

thankfully fortmaker

still matches him visually

[sly nymph]

it's better drip

[twilit quail]

how good exactly fortmaker is and if it is better than sig is still a little up in the air because a lot of people dont have it maxed on their accs

so our group doesnt have the best conditions for testing

but on paper it looks good

[woeful plume]

feelscrafting

i feel...

[tight haven]

arsenal issue

[vagrant sparrow]

finally we reached the point where there are more jobs than ppl willing to take them

[twilit quail]

now try to find wuling job

[summer flicker]

[sly nymph]

none of these are wuling jobs

[summer flicker]

me refresh 5 mins for 3 wuling jobs

[sly nymph]

that's why

[weak meteor]

found 3 today

[twilit quail]

yeah in how many refreshes

[sly nymph]

it took me like 20 mins of refreshing for 3 wuling jobs

[weak meteor]

until there isnt a point doing any of them since no one upgrades depots

[frozen tide]

Valley jobs are slept on highk

[frigid vector]

even if you get 3 wuling jobs

[twilit quail]

[frigid vector]

it's all 10k anyways

still gotta max out valley 4 so whatever gives 300k+ I'll take it

[summer flicker]

i got 3 70k

[sly nymph]

you just camp the bottom of the menu and get 3 70k after like 20 mins

[unreal light]

How come recharge overcap is better than dps output?

[frozen tide]

Valley engraving permit is pretty good still

[frigid vector]

ok yeah go get a lottery ticket or smth idk

[tight haven]

no wuling jobs i sleep

[twilit quail]

it has charge so you dont have to use as much on your gear

and it has intensity

so you can max intensity on him

[unreal light]

I mean if pog gets his ulti in both cases, why people even consider fortmaker

[twilit quail]

you can hit 49% breach vuln with it

you miss out on team buff but it's a very strong cheap option

[weak meteor]

arts intensity

[drifting quest]

omw to put up a wuling job

[unreal light]

Or 12,5% dps for the entire team

[dry mason]

my 3 mins clear

[weak meteor]

dont think phys bonus helps with crush though unless i guess you dont plan on runniing crush with pog

[twilit quail]

well you do

with da pan you get two 4 crushes into the breach in a consistent rotation

fortmaker is just intensity stick that happens to have charge

which lets you run different gear

and that is good enough

[unreal light]

I do run crush with pog idk 🤷‍♂️

Who does not

[twilit quail]

while it's true that pog would love to have a phys dps who is more raw damage than anything

4/8 is the best we have currently with da pan

and 4/4 with endmin

[heavy fossil]

does flourite’s slow effect apply to bosses?

[frozen tide]

What's p5 fort comparable to

[summer flicker]

does anyone have yvonne xaihi gilb ake rot

[abstract fractal]

i was doing etchspace salvage without increasing the danger limit this whole time

bruh

[twilit quail]

currently appears to be roughly on par with p0 sig

but it's probably not going to be better than therm

[next helm]

Oblivion a good grab from shop? for 2.5k

[frozen tide]

Hmm ic

Good to know

[twilit quail]

HOLY

someone found out how to afk the fight

[summer flicker]

[frozen tide]

@static pewter

He was asking bout it earlier but I didn't know the numbers

[terse furnace]

Me when I'm going for a slowrun

[twilit quail]

【【终末地】深潜90级罗丹 真正摆完挂机 无需练度 无配队要求 简单好抄】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1QSFAz1Ehj

now this is gaming

[next plinth]

did the wling job always appear at the bottom for you? only the lowest amounts are showing up for me at the bottom

[outer ermine]

reset was like few hrs ago wuling jobs usually dont appear now

[frozen tide]

Bros playing a korean gacha with autobattle on

[weak meteor]

should do

[dry mason]

i woke up at 4am and got 3 wuling jobs in 10 mins

[summer flicker]

[next plinth]

did the wuling jobs appear at the bottomf or you guys?

[weak meteor]

i got mine in 5 minutes it seems pretty commmon for me tbh

[next helm]

Is slow relevant

[summer flicker]

i woke up at 7am (3h after reset) and get 3 wuling jobs in 5 mins

[weak meteor]

usual;;ly in the middle

[next plinth]

since today i see a large list of jobs every time i refresh

[sly nymph]

obv because they max out at like 73k

[dry mason]

middle cause it's 75k

[sly nymph]

you camp the bottom of the list

and scroll up while waiting to refresh

[dry mason]

just dont miss click on 15k

[next plinth]

havent seen a single 70k yet, only 15k 5-6 times

but i have been camping the bottom

could try the middle i suppose

[sly nymph]

noob eu/na server

[next plinth]

wasnt sure whether they just mixed them and ordered them on amount

[sly nymph]

it's literally highest to lowest

[dry mason]

the order is highest to lowest

[woeful plume]

how fast do i need to clear for doritos trim bruh

[dry mason]

so 75k is usually at middle

[safe sand]

240s

[civic rover]

Getting wuling jobs is the pvp in this game

[dry mason]

I dont even dare to post my wuling job

cause Im afraid some randos will tp

[woeful plume]

i put 11k wuling as decoys to eliminate people

[dry mason]

[drifting quest]

i put mine up today as a job to keep sheeting and it took like 10 minutes to get claimed

[sly nymph]

is it possible to put this zipline diagonally to the teleporter

[sly nymph]

only the sweaties are looking for wuling jobs rn

[outer ermine]

gib me ur server ill do it in 20s

[drifting quest]

yes

[torn raft]

Savage behavior, i started to just tp with those

[dry mason]

yes

[drifting quest]

i couldnt tell you how i dont have one but ive had randoms ziplines do it

[dry mason]

I have a video that use 26 ziplines for whole Wuling City

All resources and 4 delivery points

[safe sand]

mountain bearer acquired physical team here i come

[safe sand]

my solution for this was scuffed

[dry mason]

Like this

[sly nymph]

best i can do ig

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

just look at the middle, the 50k valley job gonna filter that

[torn raft]

Honestly i just do them for the credits

[woeful plume]

i only aim to eliminate the weak

[next helm]

good emote

[sly nymph]

it's bricked wtf

[outer ermine]

gotta put near that big ass rock at the right if u wanna use that zip for both sides

and move fast cuz theres mobs walking around

[sly nymph]

the patrol that starts at the bridge

is literally the most annoying thing on th emap

[next helm]

If you go right

instead of to the bridge

you can pass them

[high finch]

real

[zinc scaffold]

Hold on, have I been using Laevatain wrong for 100 hours? When the enemy already has Heat Infliction on them, and Laev doesn't have 4 stacks of Melting Flame yet, whose skill are you supposed to use as a filler? I've been using Wulfguard if the enemy has no Heat Infliction, and Akekuri if they do, but... was I supposed to be using Laev's skill all along??!???!?

[crude crag]

are those jobs all from friendlist or public?

[next helm]

You fill the stacks use her skill

Fill her stacks

[zinc scaffold]

(just did the training tutorial after... doing all the content lmao)

[summer flicker]

public

not from friendlist

[next helm]

Your auto attacks last strike sucks up heat stacks, you use her skill if you have 4 of her Melting flame (the thing next your hp bar)

[unreal light]

So you’re saying term is better than never rest?

[drifting quest]

Yes

[zinc scaffold]

you need someone to apply heat to enemies for her last strike to suck it up for melting flame

[drifting quest]

Never rest is an unfortunate sig weapon

[zinc scaffold]

so who's the best to apply the heat

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard

[unreal light]

For what reason?

[woeful plume]

ok i probably just suck at using wulfgard

[zinc scaffold]

if the enemy already has heat, he consumes it to apply combustion

[drifting quest]

Dmg% is diluted
Atk% is not

[woeful plume]

cuz the moment i replaced wulfgard with akekuri i could trim

[next helm]

Wulf or akekuri if you can aoe

[next helm]

He consumes combustion and then doesn't apply heat if so

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard should not be consuming heat

[unreal light]

Atk gets diminishing returned really fast

[zinc scaffold]

fk me guess he doesn't

[next helm]

"If the target has active Combustion or Electrification, do not apply Heat Infliction but instead consume the Arts Reaction to fire an additional shot that deals massive Heat DMG."

[safe sand]

the opposite is true!

[drifting quest]

Atk has no diminishing returns only dilutions
We dont have nearly enough atk% sources to dilute it right now

In phys especially

[safe sand]

and yes "diminishing returns" has a bit of a different connotation

[drifting quest]

Diminishing returns is arts intensity

[unreal light]

The more atk you get, the less it adds, in comparison to other stats

[safe sand]

link

[drifting quest]

Post 100 each point is worth less

Link too

Diminishing returns is not the same as dilution

[unreal light]

What’s the difference

[safe sand]

this is what is better referred to as dilution/opportunity cost
atk buffs in this game are few and far between

compared to dmg% at least

[drifting quest]

Diminishing returns is when the stat itself just gives less. E.g. arts intensity beyond 100 changes its formula to be less

[supple epoch]

Doesn’t his uh 3rd copy and heat set and signature want him to? Or something

[drifting quest]

Dilution is the idea that the more you stack a buff the less each new amount is worth relative to the total

The stat itself is not giving less its simply less of the total

That said atk% is not diluted on physical

[safe sand]

wait i thought frontiers was atk%, its fucking dmg%??

brujh

[drifting quest]

It used to be atk

In cbt

[safe sand]

great

[twilit quail]

same with xiranite

they are both shot in the head

and it's so hard for me to remember that they arent as good as they used to be

[drifting quest]

Frontiers best use case being to stack int for xaihi

Lmao

Not even caring about set bonus

[safe sand]

omw to stack int on alesh

[unreal light]

I just never heard anybody refer to this, as not a diminishing return

[unreal light]

Do frontiers buff int?

[drifting quest]

People misuse diminishing returns a lot

[drifting quest]

Secondary stat

[unreal light]

Ah

[drifting quest]

Which for xaihi is int

[safe sand]

i have definitely seen it referred to as such in other games but in this game where there truly exists a formula that diminishes benefits with the same stat increase i think it's useful to make the distinction

[crude crag]

but frontier set does not proc for xaihi right?

[drifting quest]

Correct

[unreal light]

So arclight’s buff might be buffed by pog

[unreal light]

Thank you

[next helm]

Did someone do the calcs on xaihi

is int stack really better than a set?

[ripe parrot]

is there a reason people run pog as point on phys teams over chen? i don't really see why pog needs to be point

[drifting quest]

Xiranite should be better but like every xaihi team already has a holder

So int stacking on her is better than cope on the other

be it gilberta or ardelia

or sometimes other edge cases

[atomic kraken]

do you guys think this is worth to do? like farming mobs for these and money

[ripe parrot]

no

the return yield of that is awful

[atomic kraken]

yea...

[ripe parrot]

if you're really starved for t-creds but idk it's probably better just to do some stock redistribution stuff instead

[next helm]

what is the use for purples

[ripe parrot]

cope pieces that you don't upgrade until you get your bis

[unreal light]

You sell them for like 200 T-creds each

One must be at their lowest when they do

[atomic kraken]

its 100 creds

i mean its not that bad....

[woeful plume]

u go on ahead bro

[mystic halo]

there is nothing else you can do with the purples

if you are not using them as temporary slot filler

[next helm]

They could have given 1-2 gel

[atomic kraken]

thats insane if they do that

[manic blade]

type

[atomic kraken]

i wont see my family after christmas if they did that

[plush spoke]

sanity savers when "fuck it, its good enough" is all you need

[woeful plume]

tf is the fourth trimmed medal

[manic blade]

25 combined weapon skill lvls (6 6 3 essence p3 weap ex)

[woeful plume]

ah

[outer ermine]

whel

[woeful plume]

whel gated trim

[frozen tide]

Akeno got the trim the moment it released

[drifting quest]

there's like 5 trims or whatnot

[woeful plume]

any tips for marble good sir

[drifting quest]

food or foodless

[woeful plume]

foodless

🥀

[amber vapor]

Pray for good rng on tentacles

[drifting quest]

243 is just a case of piloting and rng

you can prestack ult > ult for 2/4 tentacles

[amber vapor]

That damn sweep attack they do with the disjointed hitbox is tilting

[woeful plume]

ye i ult every 2 tentacles

[drifting quest]

enhanced skill gets 3

[woeful plume]

the answer is to just get food

[drifting quest]

then you can likely ult during killing the 4th and still have ult to kill the marble

means you start phase 2 at 0 energy 0 stacks which can suck a bit

so the time save might not be amazing

[next helm]

I don't even know if I can do that rn

Skill issue aside

[woeful plume]

i wonder if im like

okay with ult charge set enough that

i should start artificing the int

i feel like im content

[drifting quest]

i dont want to say anything with certainty

but i feel like monument is going to change nothing

so ult set vs hot work will continue to be pure preference

[woeful plume]

i mean

if we were to start with no energy in monument

that'd only favour ult set

cuz ur opener would be enough to get to ult

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[amber vapor]

Arya record and post your next run so that we can micro analyze and scrutinize /lh

[woeful plume]

i play the game at 800x600 resolution

u will not have anything to analyze 😭

[next helm]

How hard is that mode

to do agony

[heavy fossil]

thx

[next helm]

As someone who generally sucks ass

[woeful plume]

i also need sig over this

[amber vapor]

You should have the sig now no?

[woeful plume]

i hate casting her ult

[amber vapor]

If you're one day 14 which is current server day

[woeful plume]

i rage pulled on my first acct and quit

this is like

a day 4-5 acct

[amber vapor]

Ah- 🫡

[outer ermine]

[drifting quest]

trivial

10 minute timer

[amber vapor]

My first 6* was ember and then immediately after I got LR so

[drifting quest]

trim req is to clear

[woeful plume]

this acc isnt any better

ardelia dupe into ember

i meaaannn ardelia dupe isnt bad ofc

i rather get LR tho

[next helm]

Trivial

watch me fuck it up

[drifting quest]

you would have to unplug your keyboard for 9 minutes to struggle

you're fine

[amber vapor]

So is next week confirmed the release of the weekly?

[daring dove]

Nearly done

[normal tangle]

fuck man why'd it have to be purple

[daring dove]

Still decent to use for now.

Just a shame you can't upgrade it.

[drifting quest]

monument drops 12th
a new monument drops 26th
we dont know if we'll get a third on march 12th or not but i would expect so

[next helm]

monument is 1 or 3 bosses?

[plush spoke]

im thinking about pulling sundered prince out of the crate, and onfielding ember for this team, any thoughts on damage build ember?

[drifting quest]

3 stages, no bosses

[next helm]

Was there no boss mode in beta?

[twilit quail]

well technically there is but it is just recycled elite

[drifting quest]

2 elites

[ripe parrot]

it's not bad for unga bunga overworld

[drifting quest]

the crossbow and axe ones from power plant

[twilit quail]

we have fraudstein and smough at home

[ripe parrot]

but not having a crush spender kinda does hurt

[plush spoke]

i have a leavtain team for that, want to make something a little funky so i have a phys team to mess around with

[drifting quest]

the other 2 are like trash waves

[twilit quail]

one of them is 4 ranged enemies

[drifting quest]

hardest enemy in the entire thing is the shield one

[twilit quail]

standing in a square

not moving

[plush spoke]

been working on it and an electric team

[twilit quail]

and just constantly shooting at you

and it's the lamest shit in existence

[amber vapor]

Aye. Thanks for the deets boss

[drifting quest]

yvonne debuff

you love to see it

[ripe parrot]

da pan crush is simple and effective but ember can work if you really want it to

[twilit quail]

[amber vapor]

Arclight is the only 5* I'm missing and my Avy is max pot

[next helm]

What is the point

[drifting quest]

funny that not a single map is good for yvonne

[next helm]

I was expecting gilby to be good for "spiral abyss"

[amber vapor]

I really wanna build an electric team but first gotta finish Lev

[drifting quest]

gilb is good

she's just not insane venti 1.0 levels of cc

[next helm]

Even if there is 4 mobs literally ontop of eachother

[drifting quest]

they're far enough apart i think yvonne can literally only do sgt

without gilb

[amber vapor]

I think it's the lvl 85 proto prism stage that has two shield LBs right? Yesterday I was clearing it and omfg Yvonne is a wet noodle but solidification stacks stagger so fast

Yvonne is hard carried by how strong solidification is

[drifting quest]

i was talking about umbral

[amber vapor]

Yeah ik but I'm saying in general

Those damn shield LBs

[drifting quest]

umbral 1 - like 15 snipers and a couple worms
umbral 2 - shielders, dogs, some random other lb mobs and the gauntlet elite from wulfgard story quest
umbral 3 - crossbow + axe lb elites

this might not reflect live since its supposedly now nerfed

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1ajFjz2ENx
ye that flourite didnt last long

we just want to oneshot w combo and mf had to come in w a flourite clear so

[oblique galleon]

Artificing priority?

[soft osprey]

I didn't forget about the Etchspace haha...

[drifting quest]

dont until monument >>>>> still dont until monument >>> please dont until monument > ult gain breakpoints >> key tertiary lines > body/gloves main stat > kit main stat > some less valuable tertiary lines > body/gloves secondary start > kit secondary stat > niche tertiary lines >>>>>>>>> useless lines

guoba has a video out now that explains it more eloquently too

[next helm]

bummer how I got one extra weapon from laevs banner

and its former finery

[drifting quest]

i got 2 white night novas

smile

[sterile patrol]

the first three parts are my fave

[drifting quest]

'hey guys i artificed this set for pog what do you mean we dont use it anymore'

[daring dove]

Nearly all 90 now, although I have to be honest I'm not sure what making Akekuri's weapon level 90 will even do. Maybe a 0.1% DPS increase.

[next helm]

who uses white night nova

[drifting quest]

thermite levels wont matter for ake but might matter for future or other current holders

[drifting quest]

haha

no one

[next helm]

future character?

[drifting quest]

and likely no future unit either

haha

that's a lie it will eventually be a fine cope option

[daring dove]

This doesn't say ATK% therefore is bad.

[drifting quest]

it's technically a half decent intensity statstick for anyone who applies combustion or electrification

but you only get a good chunk of the intensity pose combustion/electrification which

defeats the purpose a lot

[sly nymph]

not the white nova

[drifting quest]

irony

[sly nymph]

you could have kept 3 of these at lvl 1

[plush spoke]

It's not the worst weapon

[woeful plume]

where u getting these resources from breh

[daring dove]

Wulfguard is a top tier sub-dps

[drifting quest]

its not the worst but right now it is pretty close to the bottom for 6*'s

[next helm]

top tier

applies heat and does 10% dps

[plush spoke]

Still means it's one of my better weapons for arc light lol

[drifting quest]

its essentially useless for arclight

om

[plush spoke]

If you want some real crack addict builds, it was on my akekuri for ages lol

[twilit quail]

see if you play her with alesh

she can do some dmg

🙂

with wnn

[sterile patrol]

but my arts intensity

[plush spoke]

I was planning on sending her as a main dps, and seeing if I could get an infliction team based around her off the ground

I didn't have high hopes for that team, but it was a plan

[drifting quest]

me when i get more arts intensity from a lower rarity version

sobbing

• with caveats

[next helm]

new sets surely

[drifting quest]

oh its not even more

70 vs 78

fortmaker sucks man

[plush spoke]

P1 arc light can clearly function as a better primary dps than a pmax a ywenna with her weapon

[frozen tide]

If it wouldn't be much a bother could you tell me a few of the worst 6 star weaps

Lile bottom 5

[heavy fossil]

are crowns necessary for endgame/trims?

or can you get away without using any?

[frozen tide]

Might technically

And like

Absolutely technically

[woeful plume]

what

[frozen tide]

Not be a necessity

But it helps a shitload

[woeful plume]

are we ascending

its too early for this talk

[bold rose]

fortmaker Ake vs thermite?

[plush spoke]

as she sits, she might even be able to rival my leavatain in dps output

[heavy fossil]

maxing all skills or just one?

[sly nymph]

obv thermite

[heavy fossil]

ignoring basic attack obviously

[normal tangle]

what influences the damage of combustion?

is it pure arts intensity or do base stats have an effect

[frozen tide]

Usually 2-3 talents do the most notable damage of a comp

[plush spoke]

clearly a fair comparison

[heavy fossil]

across all the characters you mean?

[sterile patrol]

and some more on the passive (for 15s )

[drifting quest]

off the top of my head worst in no particular order would be like
wnn, ff and then either triple bp or double bp and thunderberge
wnn might even make it out of bottom 5 to fit thunderberge

[drifting quest]

i love when i get my buff after the source of damage i want it for

[plush spoke]

yeah, im a bit sad with how bad thunderbirge is

[drifting quest]

or source of amp in elec case

arts damage sure fine but it doesnt line up well for anyone currently

consolation prize effect

[frozen tide]

Could you list out the acronyms plz

[drifting quest]

white night nova
former finery(?)

battle pass weapons

[frozen tide]

Ah thank you

Yeah former finery is the biggest piece of dogshit known to mankind

😭

Omg thunderbridge is the same damn thing

First time I've looked up what it does

[mystic halo]

some of the 5*s are even more evil

[normal tangle]

any knowers

[drifting quest]

arts intensity plus the usuals

the damage document has info

[frozen tide]

Is opus p5 any competitive to p0 6* catalysts for gilberta

[drifting quest]

in some teams sure

[sterile patrol]

Ye its a shame it's an After weapon rather than a When

[frozen tide]

Battlepass gives us 2 copies of it and 2 potentials

We alr have p3 opus if we choose to

And next bp can make it p5

[daring dove]

This weapon might rival sig on Ardelia to be honest.

[drifting quest]

if it were before i think the weapon unironically is pretty good

[frozen tide]

Before?

[drifting quest]

i think a maxed wnn gives enough intensity to probably do more than OBJ with good timelining

[drifting quest]

wnn gives you a buff after you apply combustion or electrification

including an arts intensity buff which is the stat you want to buff those 2

[frozen tide]

Damn

[drifting quest]

if it applied before then there's a surprisingly good argument for it in some cases

[frozen tide]

I got p2 wnn in my first 40 weapon pulls

[sterile patrol]

Would be insane for the 4 bomba elec on her

[frozen tide]

But somehow even back then i wasn't very excited

[sterile patrol]

alas

[frozen tide]

I could just smell how dogshit it is not knowing anything abt the game

[mystic halo]

weapons with awesome abilities like giving you +DEF when you apply weaken

[frozen tide]