theorycrafting

[frozen tide]

And applies susc

[jagged forge]

does that cover aic

[drifting quest]

aic is one channel down

[frozen tide]

Theres #aic-factory to help you out

[jagged forge]

i havent gotten the answer yet

not sure if you recognize me but i saw u here earlier when i first started looking

[frozen tide]

What are you looking for

[jagged forge]

the smallest cryston component setup currently known

ik it wont be used long,i just wanna know

[wintry hazel]

Why does gil specifically only good for avy?

[drifting quest]

massive suscept and less reliant team on electric infliction so can run her without much issue

[frozen tide]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1466658112147816580

@jagged forge this one may or may not be decent

This channel is basically never used for aic

[wintry hazel]

I see

[jagged forge]

i can already tell its shit

iirc correctly,u need atleast 8 depots to run at 100%,this one only uses 7 so its clearly underperforming

[frozen tide]

Make your own

Be a pioneer

[jagged forge]

i did,i wanna know if its the smallest before posting

[frozen tide]

There is not a single big post abt cryston

[next helm]

Its half efficient but also makes cryston other material

[silent monolith]

Do you guys know if consumable buffs stack with each other? Let's say food and drinks, or is it being treated as the same type of buff?

[frozen tide]

So shoot your shot

[next helm]

You don't need that much so you don't need to go all out

[frozen tide]

I don't believe it stacks

[drifting quest]

oh thats crystron components

[jagged forge]

best i can find in bp channel is a 24x33

[drifting quest]

not even xiranite

do people even make crystron components anymore

[jagged forge]

so i present,a 24x31

[silent monolith]

Sadge

[drifting quest]

i made 24k and then deleted the setup

[lime bear]

theres no facilities that uses xiranite except the pylons and relays tho

[drifting quest]

what

[lime bear]

made

[next helm]

I made 2k made 1 gearset

[drifting quest]

xiranite components?

[next helm]

And used the others for depot delivery

[lime bear]

iirc facilities that are made from xiranite are the pylons and relays

[drifting quest]

the same components you use for gear

[lime bear]

everything else uses parts

[drifting quest]

oh

no they are components

making me think im losing my mind

[lime bear]

+180 ATK slaps just did the calc

now I need to farm and wait first for GInseng to grow smh

[drifting quest]

yeah ignoring some edge cases it should scale the best

[next helm]

For some reason some of my mining rigs dissapeared?

[ocean hawk]

dissapeared ?

[next helm]

These 2 have no mining machines

Eventhough I had them for weeks

[frozen tide]

Aren't you the same guy who asked abt laev banner

So your mining rigs are disappearing and banner is acting like you didn't pull laev

Are you on same acc

[drifting quest]

the banner thing was fine

we figured it out

[jagged forge]

whys the post button broken in bp channel

[next helm]

No we figured out why my friend got laev without guarantee changing

[drifting quest]

and it was their friends account

[ocean hawk]

tha banner thing is riko friend

yeah

[frozen tide]

Id love to know as well

[jagged forge]

its broken for u too?

its been broken for me for years

i got no clue how ppl post in there

[frozen tide]

I can post just fine

I do not know why you can't post nor can i help you on it

I suggest you look into it or contact a mod if you think its a perm issue

[jagged forge]

my dumbass apparently didnt see the placeholder word 'TITLE'

HOW

my inability to see has gatekept myself from channels formated that way for years....

[lime bear]

my current basic attack before attribute scaling is 828 + 207 (25% ATK Bonus from weapon), if you use +27% its going to be 828 + 430.56 (52%) = 1258.56 vs if u use +180 ATK its 1008 + 252 = 1260 is kinda negligible rn lmao but when ur weapon atk boost gets higher the +180 scales better

holy maths

[drifting quest]

other external attack buffs like thermite too

[lime bear]

yeah

but Im just counting the base stats now from the stat screen

I'm so dumb, this was so easy but I kept using buff inside the boss arena thinking it started when boss attacks and not when we enter immediately lmfao

used Jakub and first tried it

[next helm]

There are no limited medals rn right?

[drifting quest]

none i can think of

event ones will be

[ocean hawk]

limited like 1 time only ?

and no recurring way to get it again ?

[next helm]

AK used to have medals that were time gated

not gated but

do this the first week for a trimmed medal

[drifting quest]

yeah cc medals

[next helm]

I used to have everything till elden ring released

[compact bridge]

The 60 pulls dossier need to be used on gilberta banner right?

[next helm]

and I forgor one

[compact bridge]

Or can i use that dossier on yvonne?

[drifting quest]

when gilb banner comes up the dossier automatically exchanges itself into gilberta banner chartered pulls

you cant save it

[compact bridge]

I see

[next helm]

This is gonna be the loop

[compact bridge]

Welp hopefully got her then

[next helm]

you get 10 free pulls

10 free pulls from 60

Then you are only 10 away from a free 10 pull

Repeat

Every time you do the 60 pulls

[drifting quest]

10 'free' pulls a banner
10 rebate for doing 60 on the banner before
10 'free' if you spend 30 total

[compact bridge]

I cant say i got early surtr, but i do get her in pity 51

Oh that bring me another question

Should i buy the 5 limited ticket on shop?

[drifting quest]

it depends ™

[compact bridge]

I have no idea how to get the currency to buy those ticket

And how valuable it is

[drifting quest]

rebates

[next helm]

If you are not about to hit pity I would but yeah..

[drifting quest]

if you want the unit i would

if you dont want the unit i would not

[compact bridge]

I mean, how rare the currency?

[drifting quest]

rarer for now than it would be in something like hsr

[compact bridge]

Is it enough to sweep every single free ticket on every rotating banner?

I see

[drifting quest]

if you pull every banner you could do it, if you are only doing the ones you buy and never dipping into currency then likely not

[next helm]

If you are unlucky every banner it is not rare

[compact bridge]

I got surtr in 51 pity but did 60 pulls, does that mean my next guarantee is already in 9/120?

[gritty olive]

No your guarantee is 0/120

[rose flint]

No it resets every banner

[gritty olive]

.gacha

[tranquil burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1463314157368643706/EndfieldBannerFlowchartv2.png?ex=69716102&is=69700f82&hm=1016600671b1f4866d60410df6ce664bb6221b472f5c617d085a405fd7f4ec22&

[drifting quest]

9/80 to a 50/50
0/120 to the next banners guarantee

[wintry hazel]

So gil is act not worth?

[drifting quest]

we dont know

[rose flint]

Hard to say, she'll be more worth for some people and less for others

If you were lucky like me to get Yvonne this banner, then Gil is worth pulling if you like her and Yvonne because the two of them together make Yvonne somewhat more playable in the state that Yvonne is in right now.

For other teams can't really say because I don't personally know

[wild sparrow]

supports tend to increase in value over time

[rugged kiln]

This has happened 95% of the time in the previous 3D gachas

[gritty olive]

Sw moment

[next helm]

or lose all value

[rose flint]

Sometimes they get powercrept but usually they get better with time

Its one or the other

[wild sparrow]

yukong moment

gulp

[next helm]

kazuha

[rugged kiln]

At least sparkle regained a niche

[gritty olive]

Ak never was a game that shilled certain archetypes but its a diff game than endfield

[rugged kiln]

And i won't be surprised if we get a vanguard who increases max SP eventually

[gritty olive]

Hope they keep that philosophy

[next helm]

For real

[wild sparrow]

also this is my own cope but angelina was a pretty big name back in the og so i don't expect them to throw her to the side

[gritty olive]

Lack of a biweekly rotating endgame doesnt encourage hg to

[gritty olive]

Angelina is still good in IS i guess

But supporter tickets are very very very contested lately

[next helm]

Zzz replacing every new unit 2 patches later

[rugged kiln]

zzz is brutal, same with hsr

[rose flint]

Hoyo powercreeping

[rugged kiln]

Quit both but still playing OG arknights...

[drifting quest]

the imminent biweekly rotating endgame:

[compact bridge]

That mean the dossier should bring me to 19/80?

[drifting quest]

yes

[rose flint]

yurp

[drifting quest]

9 more days

[gritty olive]

Im doing arclight 880

[rose flint]

we getting a big update in 9 days or something?

[gritty olive]

Fuck traffic lights

[rugged kiln]

Umbral

[compact bridge]

If i get ardelia in pity 119, does that mean my 120th pull is a guarantee to be surtr?

Assuming no surtr yet

[gritty olive]

Yes if the previous 119 pulls wasnt a surtr

[drifting quest]

SO HOOOOOOOLD ON

[rose flint]

[compact bridge]

Interesting

[drifting quest]

WERE LIGHTING UP THE SKY

[drifting quest]

53:09

[gritty olive]

this is my furthest

[drifting quest]

pinch out called

[gritty olive]

those are multiple attemots

funny how there isnt a max risk CC wisadel was a core unit of because of physical unfriendliness

[drifting quest]

when was the last time she was even 'good' at 620

[gritty olive]

I dont play 620

[summer flicker]

is sundering steel worth for chen later on when i get pog

[drifting quest]

i know but the point was she hasn't been used in like any of the 2 clear types

i dont think she was even in ccb1 620

[gritty olive]

Yeah cuz she wasnt released when ccb1 released

[drifting quest]

was she really not

[tight haven]

not so worth it that i'd waste 400 arsenal tickets for it personally

[gritty olive]

Shes a ccb3 unit

[drifting quest]

Global date
2024/06/05 – 2024/06/19

old

im withering away

[gritty olive]

Mlynar is 4 years old

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-mlynar-nearl-you-are-my-sunshine-gif-13839260180526809632

[drifting quest]

i started playing after mlynar so caught

[neat snow]

Is there an artificing guide, I don't really understand it 🙂

[drifting quest]

what about it doesnt make sense

[neat snow]

The gear that gets eaten, which do I use

[next helm]

What stat you should focus

[drifting quest]

gear with a higher stat than what you'e artificing has higher odds

if its below idk if it matters at all

[neat snow]

I'm trying to do Laev set with tide armor and hot work other parts

[gritty olive]

Come to think of it last cc surtr was used was fake waves

Surtr got longetivity

[drifting quest]

fake waves fake usage

[next helm]

Can you use purple essences for something?

[drifting quest]

cope pieces

[gritty olive]

Yeah go find a diff way to deal with the buffed beach guys

[drifting quest]

just use tragodia silly

[gritty olive]

[rugged kiln]

i missed out on tragodia rip, got exu alter though

[drifting quest]

fake waves was like 2 or 3 weeks into the game for me

my first risk 18

one of only 2 I got

[outer ermine]

[next helm]

Holy shit it finally dropped

I can farm a different essence

[tight haven]

lmfao two will/atk/flow pieces at once

[outer ermine]

is that thermite

oh ye gotta prefarm gilb

[tight haven]

thermite and pog sig

though thermite is basically pogs sig

lmao

[rugged kiln]

i tried playing some zzz again but endfield just feels like the better game now to me

[frigid vector]

I fuck with endfield but it definitely does need a deadly assault mode

umbral monument soontm

[gritty olive]

🥀

[gritty olive]

honeymoon phase:

[next helm]

Zzz fun but its 3 characters the rest of my roster can't play

The hub sucks 28 enemies

What is a good setup for towerdefense ?

[gritty olive]

Spam sentries i guess

I do surge + sentries + whatever slower you want

I have like 50 of both sentries and surge in my inventory

[next helm]

How many

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-surtr-ice-cream-gif-21368145

[frozen tide]

why does my last rite battle skill do more dmg than final atk

even with the skill dmg bonus i have it shouldnt make up for the multiplier

[next helm]

finisher is not final attack

[drifting quest]

finisher is the stagger whack

[gritty olive]

Finisher is the atk when enemy is staggered

Final strike is n5

[frozen tide]

oh i see

[drifting quest]

n4 in this case

[next helm]

for laevs essence

is twilight even the most important?

[frozen tide]

you wanna max out all 3 anyw

[next helm]

yeah but I don't have 300 essences to delete rn

[neat snow]

5400 attack now, not quite maxed yet need one more essence level for attack and to artifice the kits, also the last two nodes which i will get today when my seeds are grown

[next helm]

Should be a prio

[sterile herald]

damn

does she get bonus atk somehow from one of the potentials?

i’m getting pretty close to max and i’m only around 5k

[neat snow]

don't know. Only did it cause I like her

[next helm]

1 run for both essences for 5 star weapons for wulf and antal wtf

[outer ermine]

damn whel

[next helm]

Guess I go to a different place

[sterile herald]

me yesterday except it was lae and LR sig

[vagrant sparrow]

dont mind if i do

[outer ermine]

ult 3rd hit

[frozen tide]

not bad

[outer ermine]

missed a stack

[dry kindle]

Fraud

[next helm]

Wuling towers not better?

[outer ermine]

ggs used my 1/1000000 crit chance for today

[tight haven]

p2 +20 int

all of her multiplier buffs from p1/p5 are invisible

as in, you wont see them applied in the skills screen

[sterile herald]

ah

[compact bridge]

Akekuri ult states, she fire 3 flares, and each firing recover 60 sp.. does that mean she recover 60sp in total or 180sp in one ult?

[tight haven]

180 total

[compact bridge]

Damn, that mean with 500 intellect she can generate more than 300sp with one ult

[tight haven]

no

that talent only applies to her cskill

read it carefully

[compact bridge]

I see

But building intellect probably still worth it

Since i dont see her doin damage

[twilit quail]

ult charge is way better rn

[woeful plume]

can a charge laeva explain what i need to do the get the ult right back up

[twilit quail]

frontier set is nerfed catastrophically

[woeful plume]

im not getting it with a skill and a combo

[twilit quail]

2 team skills

• eskill and her combo

[woeful plume]

alrite

[compact bridge]

How to gain ult energy tho, i see some skills state they gain some energy, some dont state anything at all

[drifting quest]

you can get some int via charge set too

the difference in int between charge set and frontiers is

<5 sp per combo

lmao

in exchange for ult 2+ rots sooner

[woeful plume]

you only eskill once during ult right?

[twilit quail]

this depends

[tight haven]

you should just built ult on ake

[drifting quest]

you can vibes based pilot 1 vs 2 eskill in ult

[tight haven]

redeemer seals has int anyway

[drifting quest]

2 is more damage, 1 gives you your next ult sooner

[tight haven]

so youre recouping some of it

[drifting quest]

i tend to prefer 1 for ult cycling in the longer fights

[compact bridge]

I need to learn how ult energy is gained, do we have some source to read these stuff?

[drifting quest]

way less punishing for bad boss lineups

should be every ult source

[sterile patrol]

ok lets relax it's not per flare

[tight haven]

wait what

[drifting quest]

300 > 80

[tight haven]

its 80 total at m3?

[drifting quest]

the akekuri knee break

[woeful plume]

LOL

[tight haven]

okay im fucking blind

[sterile patrol]

the whole value is split into 3 flares

[compact bridge]

That 6.5 and 10 will give 16.5 energy for everyone right?

[tight haven]

i swear i tested this

[dry kindle]

Bro forgot the kneecap

[tight haven]

ive been using akekuri for 3 weeks btw

[sterile patrol]

shitty wording tbh on the EN translation

[dry kindle]

No

[drifting quest]

combo is per char

skill is per team

[dry kindle]

Unless you're rite

[tight haven]

no i actually tested like a week ago because shuo made me doubt it was 80 total and for some reason i gaslit myself into thinking it was 240 total

[compact bridge]

What is kneecap?

[tight haven]

she used to regen 300 sp in cbt2

[drifting quest]

kneecapping literally might be a bit nsfw for a public server

basically means the character got a large nerf

[compact bridge]

It only give energy to the main character?

[drifting quest]

a characters combo skill only gives themself the energy

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

a characters team skill gives everyone (except last rite) the energy

[dry kindle]

For now

[tight haven]

every 100 real sp consumed = 6.5 ult for the entire team

"real" sp is sp that isnt "returned" by an effect

[drifting quest]

En translation not all real sp is real sp

I forget the example

[tight haven]

dear god is there more

[drifting quest]

Theres a case of non returned sp not being real sp

[dry kindle]

Excuse the fuck

[drifting quest]

Ill find it in a second

[compact bridge]

Now thats what i mean by myrtle lol

That mean the only source of energy for akekuri is combo skill

[frozen tide]

yo

does this mean if akekuri returns 100 energy over time

one of my last rite battle skill just wont give any ult charge?

[next helm]

Is akekiris sp fake

Isn't she a vanguard

[drifting quest]

akekuri's should be real

i forget who's it is that isnt real

[sterile patrol]

monka

[drifting quest]

i think its purely just en translation issue

so it could have been one of the cases we know about

it was like

[compact bridge]

Who is monka btw

[drifting quest]

day 2 or 3 of the game in here

[sterile patrol]

did yall test perlica pot 4 to see if was still bugged

[drifting quest]

monkaS

[strong nimbus]

Wait there is fake an real sp

[drifting quest]

i have perlica p5

i can check

[strong nimbus]

What’s the bug?

[dry kindle]

Fund me and I will

[next helm]

Funny how I spend a week farming laev essence, irl friend gets one first run 3/4/2

And mine is 1/1/1 ofc

[drifting quest]

returned sp does not count for generating energy

is the time limit increase not working

[gritty olive]

furthest

[summer flower]

3/4/2? O.O

[gritty olive]

my shu s3 wasnt available

[sterile patrol]

Her Pot4 should say some shit about Duration of DMG Taken being increased
But iirc it actually kept its old CBT2 effect of Status Level +1 which means her Electrification becomes 1.16 rather than 1.12 base
Idk if the description is the wrong one or the effect is coded wrong

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-arknights-sui-gif-7073468061133619170

[drifting quest]

it says it lasts 1.33x as long

in current live game

[sterile patrol]

Ye

[drifting quest]

so 5s > ~6.5s

[sterile patrol]

But pot 1 makes her electrification increase already

in duration

[strong nimbus]

I see

[next helm]

Whole Wuling exists because shu and friends

[drifting quest]

oh it does

huh

[sterile patrol]

And unless it's fixed pot4 was actually increasing the arts taken debuff

to status2

[summer flower]

Chen needs home

[drifting quest]

i dont have the cn wiki saved

for endfield

[summer flower]

O.O

[drifting quest]

only prts wiki for base ak

[summer flower]

At that point should i learn CN to be Able to read spreadsheet?

[sterile patrol]

for real

[strong nimbus]

Still trying to find a way to use Yvonne rn that’s not scuffed and saw some Perlica things. We not coping out here at all

[summer flower]

Yvonne?

Does she deals physicial on basic?

[woeful plume]

does antal go full charge set too

[summer flower]

If she deals physicial on basics then perclica Has a use with electric set

[drifting quest]

maybe both are increasing duration

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

huh

[sterile patrol]

lol pot4 wasnt before

it stuck to pot1 increase

[drifting quest]

its hard to tell 9s vs 12s

im gonna record

[summer flower]

Is it increased "by" or "to"

[drifting quest]

pot1 increases all electrification

so includes any from reactions

pot4 is just the combo one

[strong nimbus]

No she all ice

[summer flower]

Ohh

[next helm]

I was looking forward to yvonne

[sterile patrol]

Combo skill Instant Protocol: Chain improved: Electrification duration +75%.

[summer flower]

+75%

[next helm]

But this channel and xaihi make me

[summer flower]

Okay so it Would suggest additive

[drifting quest]

am i blind

[summer flower]

Yvonne, slap crit gear

[strong nimbus]

Yvonne is but a bit

[drifting quest]

yooo i am

[summer flower]

Crit non set

[strong nimbus]

I’m hoping with gilberta surely it can feel smoother

[sterile patrol]

you should find the combo elec is nearly 9s long, and then try 0 arts intensity on her to see the dmg taken increase from the electrification, should be 1.16

[amber vapor]

Yvonne with crit set made my crit rate 50% and my crit dmg is also 50%

[strong nimbus]

Other than trying to parry over world enemies with snowshine

[amber vapor]

This is without essences

[drifting quest]

yeah duration is only 9s so p4 isnt increasing duration

[sterile patrol]

so it isnt fixed/EN wording is wrong

[summer flower]

Doesnt yvonne have crit dmg in somewhere?

[strong nimbus]

Yeah

[tight haven]

her ult gives her cd

[summer flower]

What are yvonne main/sec stats

[sterile patrol]

ult + talent gives cd

[strong nimbus]

On solid enemies or cryo inflicted she gets cd

[amber vapor]

Int and something else I forgor

[summer flower]

Will?

I Hope its will

[strong nimbus]

Agli and Int

[summer flower]

No!!!

[amber vapor]

Lemme screenshot on mobile rq

[strong nimbus]

Int is main agli second

[summer flower]

I thought she is going to love crit non set gold

At least avyenna very much likes it

[drifting quest]

21 26 31 49
25 30 35 []

[strong nimbus]

Nah she just takes the gold crit one

[drifting quest]

perlica hit the 5% crit every time

wtf

[strong nimbus]

[summer flower]

?

[outer ermine]

[twilit quail]

oh dude

did I ever tell you

that my pb electric team marble kill

in cbt3

[drifting quest]

yeah matches with p4 increasing it to 1.16x

[twilit quail]

was on crit set oblivion perlica

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

apologems incoming for this gamebreaking bug

[woeful plume]

why yvonne throwing it back on the gear screen 😭

[twilit quail]

we all know why bro

[strong nimbus]

We all do know why…

[drifting quest]

she dropped her pen

be real

smh

[amber vapor]

The same way LR throws her greatsword

[strong nimbus]

Nah it’s her screwdriver for the robots

[tight haven]

would people roll for her if she didnt

(yes because yvonne is cool)

[strong nimbus]

Well time to go and suffer trying to trim triangle guy with yvonne more

[twilit quail]

dude if she just had like normal fucking clothes

[tight haven]

theyre calling them the worst pots since pog

[twilit quail]

never mind

[amber vapor]

I'm not gonna even attempt to go from trims till I have my Lev team fully built

[sterile patrol]

💀

[strong nimbus]

She do be

[tight haven]

again its a good thing that her pots are lowkey awful

[amber vapor]

Yvonne + LR is fun but holy moly is it a clunky team

[woeful plume]

i got my laev done but i cant trim regardless

clear difference in skill

[amber vapor]

Yvonne will sometimes just straight up miss her skill, combo skill and last hits

[twilit quail]

problem since cbt2

[summer flower]

So from 50% crit dmg you can get to 100% crit dmg?

[twilit quail]

and they just didnt do anything about it

lmao

[strong nimbus]

Tbh Yvonne herself feels a bit clunky

[tight haven]

yvonne and last rite's worst enemy: an enemy that moves

[twilit quail]

[heavy pine]

int and agi

[amber vapor]

Yeah I can understand why they made hand cannon characters have slower animations but it really makes them wayyyy too clunky

[drifting quest]

effect radius +20% so you can hit 1 enemy instead of 1
energy is actually good for her huge cost
TWENTY WHOLE INT, 7 CRIT RATE TO OVERCAP WITH???? BROKEN
10% more cd? that's 10% more than she has
SP return so you can do nothing of value with it!!
her p5 is a good p1 at least

[strong nimbus]

When I try to ult and the boss does a small jump

[summer flower]

Overcap?

[amber vapor]

Lev sticks to an enemy like butter I cannot lie

[tight haven]

overcrit doesnt even exist why does she do that bruh

7 crit rate for fun ig

[drifting quest]

does she even overcap on cr

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

i thought she could guarantee crits i just wasnt sure

[summer flower]

Describe math

[amber vapor]

I have Yvonne p1 and it's honestly not a noticable difference

[tight haven]

i can maff it out but its intuitable

[drifting quest]

100% cr = always crit
101% cr = still always crit

[summer flower]

How you get overcap

[amber vapor]

Half the time an enemy will still just not get sucked in

[tight haven]

yeah theres no overcrit

at least there wasnt in cbt2

[strong nimbus]

For me rn it’s at least the cryo infliction being a bit weird to apply and in aoe it

[tight haven]

i would know

[summer flower]

Okay, but dunno how you go from 50% with gear to over 100%

[tight haven]

i got fucking yvonne p2 in cbt2

somehow

[daring dove]

So a 30% CD increase during her ultimate & 10% ATK. Genshin 1.0 characters had better potentials.

[drifting quest]

yvonne sig, in kit steroid

artzy is like 20% cr alone

[tight haven]

again its a good thing pots suck

ideally all pots suck this bad

[summer flower]

Then its still 70%+

[twilit quail]

the evil lifeng:

[tight haven]

it is just really funny how bad she sucks

[amber vapor]

Nah they'll make my Leek waifu have the most broken pots trust

[summer flower]

Also if you overcapping then you need to adjust gear

[drifting quest]

yvonne in kit steroid is like 30%

yeah 30%

cr

[strong nimbus]

She gives herself a crit rate buff in ult but even then

[summer flower]

Gear is like 45% to 50%

Around somewhere

[drifting quest]

mi set bonus is 25% alone

nvm

10

[tight haven]

we're eventually going to have our bagpipe p5 in ef and it's going to be 9/11 for people who dont realize that endfield is a game for babies

[drifting quest]

im wrong and bad

[amber vapor]

Somehow I'm able to consistently double proc solidification on a target. Yvonne's combo and ult come back really fast but the way you just have to stand there and commit sucks

[summer flower]

Its Simple as reading all sources

[daring dove]

I mean Laevatain’s potential 5 isn’t terrible for an early game P5, in some situations it could be 30% damage boost. Yvonne’s though are 💀

[strong nimbus]

Yeah

[summer flower]

?

7% cr is 3.5% extra dmg without additional crd

[strong nimbus]

Surely the extra ult energy at p1 is helpful

[amber vapor]

I think that's perfectly fine. I have never cared for endgame in, Genshin, WuWa and ZZZ (when I still played them) because I absolutely fucking hate timer mechanics

[drifting quest]

10 set bonus + 13.5x2 kits + 6.7% body + 11.2% gloves
54.9% from gear alone
30% from her weapon
20% from her sig
7% from p3

[amber vapor]

Letting anyone be able to clear endgame content with a suboptimal setup is fair imo especially because team combo dynamics matter a lot more

[drifting quest]

for the low low price of p3 you can replace her body piece and STILL overcap

[summer flower]

Okay, so adjust gear then

[amber vapor]

Oh yeah isn't there also a food item that gives crit?

[summer flower]

How much overcap?

[tight haven]

yeah i think reverse 1999 proved that you can have a piss easy game and still have people spend substantial amounts on it just because characters and their dupes are cool

[tight haven]

multiple

[drifting quest]

up to like 15% in the worst case

as low as like 3% in the best

[summer flower]

Check which gear doesnt have correct stat

[twilit quail]

current speedrun yvonne takes two pieces of normal attack damage

[strong nimbus]

Yeah. One is 21 and one is 11 with atk. Idk if more

[twilit quail]

ginseng stew

[drifting quest]

lmao

[twilit quail]

and just cries

[drifting quest]

crit harder

real

[twilit quail]

if she doesnt get stew

[summer flower]

If 3% over is from 6%+ source then its fine

[amber vapor]

CZN is a piss easy game that's insanely rng reliant and you can do all content with the 6 characters you get free

[strong nimbus]

We don’t talk about the constant funnel of stew I’m feeding her

[summer flower]

Pretty sure every crit gear set element Has non crit version

[amber vapor]

Obviously ones a roguelite deck builder vs arpg but yeah

[twilit quail]

Waiter, waiter! more fillets!

[summer flower]

And i don't think int/Agi are on those with crit

[gritty olive]

people overrating bagpipe p5 probably dont play risk30+

[drifting quest]

i get actively distracted doing overworld stuff to go kill dogs for fillets

[gritty olive]

and now we have agents to fill the role

[tight haven]

bagpipe p5 hasnt actually done anything in ages lmao its so funny

ines killed her ass

[strong nimbus]

Me committing a mass genocide on all the dogs to get her more meat

[gritty olive]

i actually am using bagpepe rn for 880

[twilit quail]

it wasnt ines as much as the game just changing

[gritty olive]

12 DP still

[tight haven]

shes not required for it though right

[twilit quail]

but she had more than two years of unquestionable dominance

[gritty olive]

shes just there for moral support
my lovely bagpepe

[twilit quail]

and that is

about as good as it gets

[tight haven]

like somw past ccs i remember

oh

truue

[twilit quail]

around ashring

[gritty olive]

who? ines?

[strong nimbus]

Side note anyone done trimmed triangle guy with Yvonne

[twilit quail]

was when it really settled in for a lot of the people in chinese circles

[summer flower]

Guys

[tight haven]

bagpipe p5

[summer flower]

This is endfield discord

[twilit quail]

and she was kinda, you know

[gritty olive]

ines just has very good role compression

[twilit quail]

moving on

and you know what

I think she deserves a good retirement

[drifting quest]

read the first word of the server

🔥

[gritty olive]

bagpepe p5 was needed in wild scales otherwise you cant open properly

[summer flower]

There is difference cord for orginal one

[tight haven]

woah 3 year old content

[twilit quail]

it erally wasnt any new character just coming out

[tight haven]

lets gooooo

[gritty olive]

and im banned there

[twilit quail]

it was the game changing

and that's just how it goes

[daring dove]

This just further goes to highlight the problem with Yvonne in general. For example her weapon giving up to 19.5% CR. While Laevatains is just straight up a 39% boost to her base ATK. Which is far more potent. It’s kind of why high investment LR also looks to be beating Yvonne. CR isn’t valuable enough at this point.

[drifting quest]

snego proved that it wasnt agents that killed bagpipe off

to a degree

[twilit quail]

she is still like

[drifting quest]

same for like puzzle

[twilit quail]

the goat

easily

[tight haven]

yeah the game kinda stopped having situations that asked for bagpipe p5 specifically

[gritty olive]

never did outside CC

[tight haven]

which is really neat

[twilit quail]

unquestionably the most illustrious career of any character in this game

[summer flower]

If you got CD up to 100% total

[drifting quest]

yeah i cant think of anyone more dominant than bag

[summer flower]

Then its 19.5% dmg increase in raw

[amber vapor]

Man I would love a character that uses a flagpole spear and is a buffer/sub-dps. Make them a male character that looks as badass as Sin Kiske and my life is yours HG.

[twilit quail]

dude they just need to add vera

from pgr

that's literally it

[tight haven]

seems like hg is scared of making crit the dominant way to play the game

[amber vapor]

True

[tight haven]

which is probably a good thing

[summer flower]

Laev sig attack only affects weapon attack right?

[gritty olive]

[tight haven]

crit is a boring mechanic when you can guarantee it on everyone

[strong nimbus]

Yeah

[summer flower]

So not whole attack source

[gritty olive]

yes and it bufs base attack

[tight haven]

just becomes another damage multiplier

[gritty olive]

which is basically your "whole attack source"

[twilit quail]

in other games crit is just another stat you need to hit prereqs on

[summer flower]

cr/CD is increasing final dmg

[strong nimbus]

But will still use Yvonne because

[amber vapor]

And it would kind of defeat the purpose of having any team synergy

[summer flower]

From both bases

[tight haven]

that said

[gritty olive]

you can consider atk% on weapon as a diff multiplier if flat atk is negligible

[tight haven]

i wouldnt hate a support that boosts crit dmg but not crit rate

[drifting quest]

i was going to add i can think of several with similar value like eyja, ng and saria as listed, etc

[summer flower]

What's laev operator dmg vs weapon dmg?

With sig

[tight haven]

also attacks that guarantee crits are fine

[summer flower]

Or in general, what's ratio of operator and weapon with attack%

[drifting quest]

suzuran and ceobe are seen pretty often

[gritty olive]

surtr mwaynar

[strong nimbus]

and does cryo inflict. I needs me a wheel chair

[gritty olive]

ceobe only appears at 4k def

[drifting quest]

mostima always worms her way into high end stuff

[gritty olive]

shes the perfect ""niche"" damage dealer

[summer flower]

I could check endmin for their ratio

[twilit quail]

mostima is rarely ever in any actual optimal solve

[gritty olive]

tfym a 5 yo game needs a year 1 unit to play highrisk

[tight haven]

mostima getting hit with her own debuff in ccb4

LOL

[twilit quail]

it's usually just like

shits and giggles stuff

that she shows up in

there is a degree of merit of course

[amber vapor]

Lowkey kinda weird how there isn't a 6* star electric op in the game rn

[twilit quail]

but mostima is still mostima

[summer flower]

But you need to understand that crits applies to both sides of attack

[tight haven]

its going to be fangyi

[drifting quest]

maybe not optimal solves but she's always making it into max risk stuff

[tight haven]

almost certainly

[drifting quest]

then optimized out

[twilit quail]

ok so the thing is

in that same bag

[summer flower]

Not only to weapon or operator

[gritty olive]

mostima skyfire in cc4 r32 just because

[summer flower]

Right?

[amber vapor]

Yeah for sure but I wish I knew about her earlier

I went into the game so blind

[twilit quail]

of "characters who can make it in initially but are optimised out soon after"

guess who else is in there

[gritty olive]

third stall cc

[twilit quail]

fucking STAINLESS

[tight haven]

oh yeah fair

[twilit quail]

[drifting quest]

my goat

[tight haven]

well

stainless is just him

[drifting quest]

swing your hammers my boy

[daring dove]

Even in that instance which is best case it’s still worse than 39% base ATK boost. Weapon should be giving 39% more CR for them to be remotely comparable in value considering one is chance based.

[gritty olive]

why "optimized out" when hes not even part of the team

[drifting quest]

british representation

[summer flower]

Where i can find dmg formula?

[sterile patrol]

you called?

[drifting quest]

wait for real

[whole crystal]

whos that

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/SmClf_UbNGA?si=YBQ8Uowwbjp250oD

[summer flower]

If rememeber correctly that should not be true what you wrote

[tight haven]

@gritty olive

[drifting quest]

i genuinely wouldnt have guessed from your accent

[tight haven]

go my spreadsheeter

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-cute-adorable-angle-wink-gif-16185784

[drifting quest]

i dont travel enough to be fair

[sterile patrol]

perfection

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?usp=drivesdk

[summer flower]

Cr when taken to average isn't chance based

[gritty olive]

heres what im referring to

[amber vapor]

Ngl I wish some of the gold gear was crit dmg + basic attack DMG

[tight haven]

og ak character, known for having a skill that slows enemies down to basically a standstill

[drifting quest]

i only really know the local accents where I live

[somber dove]

blue tongue lady

[tight haven]

in the latest challenge content there was a debuff that made her attack extremely slowly

[gritty olive]

cr when 1 + cr% cd% for ave damage

[gritty olive]

point her up

[drifting quest]

cr when taken to average is misleading because not all damage numbers are equal

[tight haven]

tru

[drifting quest]

put her behind a fan

or the fan behind her

you get the idea

[whole crystal]

thanks

[twilit quail]

the fucking

ff14 classic

[daring dove]

Trust me 39% base ATK is much more valuable than even 30% CR when you understand how the stats scale.

[summer flower]

Fixed value bonus? @gritty olive

[twilit quail]

dch on dia application

nothing on misery

[gritty olive]

at least it makes it "consistent" and you can see how the damage increases with each small increment of cr or cd

[summer flower]

Also is attack % in weapon applied whole sale or just to weapon @gritty olive

[gritty olive]

someone has a chart of it elsewhere so i nees to find it

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah it can work as a very rough approximation

[gritty olive]

atk% on weapon is a base atk buff

[drifting quest]

its just not too practical for actual dpr predictions

dont even try it for dpsp

[summer flower]

Its not

[compact bridge]

What is the best set to max for laevatain rn?

[gritty olive]

final base = (basewp + basechara) * (1 + atk% from weapon)

[daring dove]

It’s applied to your base ATK, which is the multiplier the rest of your ATK scales off….

[drifting quest]

we dont know

[amber vapor]

True but the game tells you the DMG ever auto attack in the chain does and then you can just calc the crit chance + crit dmg on top

[drifting quest]

there's too many use cases where which is better is different

[compact bridge]

Literally dont know?

[summer flower]

I just asked question

[gritty olive]

humble 1 + cr% cd%

[tight haven]

you can just use 3pcs hot work and tide fall chest

just dont artifice it

[drifting quest]

one set is better for some half of the content, the other is better for the other half

[tight haven]

except for tide fall chest

[daring dove]

It is though you just don’t understand the math

[compact bridge]

The heat set doesnt seems to perfectly match laeva

[drifting quest]

we're waiting for monument to know better

[tight haven]

tide fall chest is safe to artifice

[summer flower]

Where it goes there

[drifting quest]

its not a good match but its not a bad match

[tight haven]

id get it to int+3

[summer flower]

Attack % on weapon

[compact bridge]

One set is heat set, the other is ult gain set?

[drifting quest]

yeah

[gritty olive]

percenrage bonus(atk%)

[drifting quest]

tide chest + 3 hot work vs seals build ult gain

[summer flower]

I have seen report that its applied on just weapon

[tight haven]

both sets use tide fall

so like

[drifting quest]

i would expect the conclusion we come to in 2-4 weeks is

[tight haven]

you can artifice it

[drifting quest]

use which one feels better

lmao

umbral monument is very likely going to fold

without much effort

[tight haven]

i dont think we're going to have some massive paradigm shift in build philosophy for laev

[gritty olive]

Quite curious on rarity abuse here

[drifting quest]

it'll change but it'll change when we get a new set

most likely

[tight haven]

yh

[amber vapor]

What does that mean in this context?

[gritty olive]

6* spam

[amber vapor]

Oh you mean a full 6*star team?

[gritty olive]

Yeah

[daring dove]

It doesn’t, it applies to your base ATK, then every other form of ATK% buff you get applies directly to your base attack. Meaning 39% ATK in weapon is pretty much a 30% DAMAGE increase for your characters when it’s not saturated (which is rarely is rn).

[gritty olive]

like full 6* team

[sterile patrol]

[amber vapor]

I mean if they ever release a true 6* amper that's just an upgrade to antal then yeah it would just be bis in every team

[tight haven]

thalter mention...

[gritty olive]

no vg

[tight haven]

did exualter end up being used to 880 in ccb4

[summer flower]

Shouldnt it be ~39% then if it only source?

[tight haven]

at all

[woeful plume]

@drifting quest do u have recording of your trims by any chance

[gritty olive]

6es

[woeful plume]

i have no idea how im supposed to be able to trim triaggelos

[gritty olive]

yes. theres 9 op

[tight haven]

neat

[drifting quest]

i didnt record them

[woeful plume]

with charge set

[gritty olive]

whats the problem here? its too early to be worried about stat saturation currently@summer flower

[drifting quest]

i could try it but im on like 2 stew meetings so id probably have to go grind a bit for them to factor in resets

[daring dove]

Yeah but there are other sources usually such as Thermite Cutter. Which can give you an up to additional 28% base ATK buff.

[amber vapor]

Gatekeeping your skill /j

[woeful plume]

would be nice but not high priority

i should probably farm foods

[summer flower]

For math its important

[gritty olive]

if you have something to ask about with these questioning of yours, it might be easier to get to the point and not beat around the bush

Hm

[drifting quest]

ginseng + 3 perplexing + stew meeting makes it a LOT easier

[summer flower]

I need to look for source that provided conflicting info

[twilit quail]

more stew meeting!

[summer flower]

Or test it somehow myself

[twilit quail]

what a fucking mistake

[summer flower]

But dyslexia is hurting

[tight haven]

stew meeting needing two non-farm materials

[amber vapor]

Wait for the CN bros to do all the minmaxed number crunching

[tight haven]

ugh

id actually just go bskill some mobs in the overworld instead

[woeful plume]

the secret of endgame lies beneath killing random wild animals

[tight haven]

LOL

[woeful plume]

insane bro

[somber dove]

the true endgame was the filets we farmed along the way

[summer flower]

I do rather crunch math myself than be stuck with mistake i didnt make

[gritty olive]

True endgame is sweatsheets

[summer flower]

Or do you want me to go to prydwyn

And guzzle of reguritated info

[amber vapor]

Well then for now just use Excel or make a simple script in Python

[woeful plume]

wait

[summer flower]

That's Has Been thru 4 people before posting with no math done between them and orignal source

[woeful plume]

i JUST see what stew meeting does

[gritty olive]

Like do you want how i calculated 5270 off the bat?

[amber vapor]

You can deffo use prydwen for raw stats

[sterile patrol]

the doc they linked you has the formula so just use that im confused

[woeful plume]

what the fuck????

how is this an item

[summer flower]

I was told different formula tho

[tight haven]

who knows

[amber vapor]

Yeah it's pretty nice

[amber vapor]

Don't forget to collect your cow dung btw

[sterile patrol]

what is your current formula

i can tell you whats wrong

[drifting quest]

ONE MILLION MORE STEW MEETINGS

[tight haven]

dung is too much

[woeful plume]

i fear it might be a little too nice

[tight haven]

i just wait 12 hours

fuck slapping the cows

[amber vapor]

No way you actually defined every parameter

Madman

[tight haven]

meticulous*

monika's been at this for ages

[amber vapor]

Nah just spaghetti string it

[drifting quest]

if character == 'laevatein'
print("damage good")
else if character == 'yvonne'
print("damage not so good")

the tc way

[gritty olive]

Im still busy playing other gachs so cant contniue

[amber vapor]

I really wish we could automate our farms bc holy moly I wanna become a tried and true Jasmine rice farmer

[woeful plume]

so

how do i unlock the uh

[gritty olive]

Also i want to rank dps for agenda maintenance

[woeful plume]

perlexing med

[summer flower]

In that formula attack on weapon was increasing just weapon dmg not (operator + weapon)dmg

[woeful plume]

and ginseng

[amber vapor]

You can find some ginseng near the Wuling farm

[drifting quest]

perplexing is a quest in the science park

[gritty olive]

Dmg% is additive to all other dmg% sources, unless im not answering your query

[drifting quest]

ginseng you can pick up right outside the wuling farm then start planting

[amber vapor]

Like before the turn into the farm if you go straight there should be some by one of the trees

[summer flower]

Weapn attack i meant

[sterile patrol]

I see, well ATK% is multiplying your total base ATK which is (op base ATK + wep base ATK)

[woeful plume]

like

is this okay

im feeling a bit icky about food during abttle ngl

[twilit quail]

i mean yeah it's degenerate and stupid

[drifting quest]

there's foodless runs but they require better timelining and/or investments

[woeful plume]

i mean its their fault for adding but

[amber vapor]

Perplexing meds is citrome powder + buck powder + amethyst bottles (2/2/1)

[summer flower]

One time of day da pan is overrated, other time of day endmin is way weaker than da pan

[woeful plume]

planning builds around food is a little cooked

[drifting quest]

food is a bit of a crutch that makes things a) faster and b) less punishing of mistakes

[summer flower]

This channel doesnt agree on topic all time of day

[gritty olive]

Why frame it as kinda bad

[twilit quail]

food is whatever

but stew meeting is like

holy shit man

[woeful plume]

stew meeting

is actually mental

[gritty olive]

When most people here are guesscrafting, yeah

[whole crystal]

just slap the red heal pack thingy ob everyone lol

[drifting quest]

stew meeting 2 is gonna break this channel

[whole crystal]

what it do?

[twilit quail]

stew meeting 2 will finally make yvonne rhodan solo faster than chen

[amber vapor]

Hey man if it works for my scientific research I'll be just as equally lazily efficient here

[somber dove]

Stew meeting 2 will inflict cryo for yvonne

[sterile patrol]

There arent even that many calcers on EN side yet and you cant go full calcs no testing either, game just came out so takes will change constantly

[tight haven]

this is honestly probably due to people saying stuff based off clears or whatever that theyve seen or personal anecdotes from playing with unoptimized teams

[drifting quest]

its similar on the cn side afaik but i cant speak nor read chinese

[tight haven]

its understandable and mostly harmless because the mistakes arent usually egregious

yeah

its kinda everybody

but it is annoying i agree

[twilit quail]

on the chinese side there is like

one group of people in one united front

who are generally very rigorous about things

and are generally correct in their understanding of the game

[drifting quest]

ive probably only seen those not part of that then

[twilit quail]

and then on the other you have like

[sterile patrol]

Making a battle sim that included all 4 characters at the same time was a pain in the ass no wonder ppl arent going through that

[twilit quail]

several crazed mobs

[drifting quest]

ive seen shit like white night nova shilling

[twilit quail]

who all just say random shit

[gritty olive]

Do a kee where he disregards other damage

[sterile patrol]

too late for that

[tight haven]

is there a yvonne cult

[gritty olive]

Thats what im currently wanting to do

[gritty olive]

If i win sig sure

But all of my eyes are on rossi

[sterile patrol]

did you set up the auto populating rotation yet

[whole crystal]

is the sky blue?

[gritty olive]

Auto populating? I never me tioned that im making one…

Its just a “streamlined” rotation sim for me

[tight haven]

please hg

release the combat dummy

[drifting quest]

his name is rhodagn

[tight haven]

too annoying

and loud

[dry mason]

OMG

[terse furnace]

Probably lol

[tight haven]

also i want to be able to set my ults to max at will

[dry mason]

5% crit

[gritty olive]

Please hg release integrated sstrategies #-1

[dry mason]

[sterile patrol]

nvm i checked back to what you sent

[drifting quest]

a proper testing room would be super nice though yeah

[twilit quail]

dude

[amber vapor]

Speaking of combat dummy... Has anyone actually compiled what the tutorial builds have for the characters?

[twilit quail]

an actual training dummy

would be the end of everything

[gritty olive]

Im gonna be playing four gachas with roguelite atp

[twilit quail]

it would be fucking over

[tight haven]

let it be over

🙏

[tight haven]

tired asf of fucking farming stew

and precharging

[amber vapor]

Rhodogan boutta become the testing dummy trust

[sterile patrol]

why doesnt the training dummy exactly represent my dorito fight

[twilit quail]

im contemplating actually raising units for dijiang skills rn

[drifting quest]

the training dummy doesnt get half price tickets on train and plane travel thanks to todays sponsor

[twilit quail]

you know how we had maths on how long it would take

for original AK base slaves

to get the value back from e2

[ocean hawk]

just unlock the first level one no ?

[twilit quail]

maybe we should do that for this game too

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

the ak base document is insane

[ocean hawk]

to unlock the benefit for dijiang

[gritty olive]

How long can “amiya” last

[gritty olive]

Isnt proviso a <4 month roi

[drifting quest]

just leak her bro

[amber vapor]

Has anyone done the numbers for the most optimum ops in Dijiang?

[sterile patrol]

some unhinged person probably has

i wanna see it

[drifting quest]

it probably wouldnt be too hard to figure out dijiang rot

[sterile patrol]

[amber vapor]

Especially for clue exchange because God damn I absolutely hate how they brought it back

[tight haven]

im in the process of compiling it

actually

[drifting quest]

there's only so many and they're split per category

[tight haven]

im gonna make a fuckin

riic guide

[drifting quest]

but also the dijiang skills are bugged

[tight haven]

but for eg

[amber vapor]

Madman spotted

[drifting quest]

lmao

[tight haven]

f

[amber vapor]

Bet

[tight haven]

i already have all my ops e2'd min

[sterile patrol]

shuo when energy sim

[twilit quail]

noooooooo I have to put 20 lvls into yvonne to get her growth chamber skill

gg

[drifting quest]

step it up

[twilit quail]

my 820 lmd

[sterile patrol]

PP

[tight haven]

its still shrooms right

[twilit quail]

yea

[tight haven]

sick

[gritty olive]

Why the distaste against yvonne

[drifting quest]

every time i open it back up i look at alesh and avywennas and start crying

how am i meant to factor these in

[gritty olive]

If shes a critter shes probably have less scalings to comepnsate, like an endfield yanqing

[amber vapor]

Just imagining every op being fed shrooms and then experiencing such a great high that it increases their combat awareness post-trance like they all just went through the hyperbolic time chamber

[drifting quest]

all the extra energy sources make a plug and play calc so

unwieldly

like gilberta's is fine tickbox for her nice 7%

until i have to make a new column for every units class

and feed in from that one too to check if they're the right clas

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[sterile patrol]

i would just put an ult gain% you can manually input

[drifting quest]

i'll probably have to make a bunch of it manual for conveniece's sake

[frozen tide]

just put the entire games damage math into the calculator and have it run a sim