theorycrafting

[mystic halo]

how did you look at this channel

and then decide that yes

this is the right place to post this

[drifting quest]

ok its just 5 sp per combo

13 perlica skills + 1 combo doesnt get ult
18 combo skills to get ult

[dim vigil]

idk, there isnt really many channels that allow images/links.

[mystic halo]

why do you think that might be?

could you be part of the problem?

what Im saying is

don't post this here

[dim vigil]

Thats kinda rude, ill remove it but no need to act like that.

nvm

[drifting quest]

Having actually done the math now nothing at all has changed

1 Rot Wulfgard ult = 2 combo + 3 Team Skill
Needs full artificed seals set but doesn't require Ult charge weapon
P5 only for 2nd combo and reduced ult cost. Aka matches with the sheet but no need to consider OBJ unless you want to max essence over max artificing

P4 - no changed breakpoints compared to pre P4 since extra combo is required

P0 - goal becomes 2 rot ult which is done with 52.6% ult gain %
Sadly 3p bonekrusha + seal caps out at 49.4% with artificing so you either run a max essence OBJ with gear or can run a bunch of gear options I'd need to sort through to figure out which is best

@atomic kraken

akekuri annoyingly with fortmaker and full artificed gear cant 2rot her own ult without combo

no i lie she can

[pure spoke]

is there a chen main here? which weapon is the best for her?

[drifting quest]

of course she can

[proud vector]

Quite simply
Xaihi BS
LR BS
Final strike
LR BS
Final strike > Xaihi CS > LR CS
Xaihi BS
LR BS
Final strike
LR BS
Final strike > Xaihi CS > LR ultimate

Add in other units if needed, but this is the basic rotation

[drifting quest]

rapid ascent, p5 sundering steel, repute

[ocean hawk]

aight thanks

[pure spoke]

thx. so aspirant isnt even worth mentioning? interesting

[crude crag]

just to check, how do we use food buffs? also does it stack?

[ocean hawk]

wait, then we didnt use the 3rd and 4th unit at all ?

[proud vector]

Oh you do

But it doesn’t affect the main rotation significantly

You’ve got people using Ardelia (just need to squeeze in an extra BS for her), Perlica (combo skill for free art damage amp and weapon buff), Flourite (for combo skill for 4th cyro charge and other stuff), Shiba Inu girl (generic SP battery and link is great on LR ulti)

[terse furnace]

Do not use Fluorite

[outer ermine]

13->15% arts amp from 9 to m3 buff pls

[proud vector]

I will do as I please!

[crude crag]

i use snowshine, is that ok?

[sturdy hawk]

what are people M3 on Surtr? the ult or the skill?

[terse furnace]

just use Perlica in slot 4

[proud vector]

It turns the standard LR team much less clunky for exploration and I will die on that hill!!!!

[crude crag]

but perlica cannot block when my Last rite is doing her final strike

[terse furnace]

just dodge

[crude crag]

how do i dodge and final strike at the same time?

[terse furnace]

Your progress through an attack chain is saved when you dodge. If you interrupt your FS via dodge, you will continue at FS if you attack immediately after

[proud vector]

parry is pog though

[crude crag]

ya but most of the time when my LR is ready for FS, the boss will interrupt

[proud vector]

But yeah dodging is pretty good

[drifting quest]

**Akekuri - **
1 Combo + 3 team skills
No Ult Gain = 3 rot + 1 skill
Full Seals Build = 1.5 rot
Seals + Fortmaker = ~1.2 rot
Just Fortmaker = ~2.25 rot
Frontier = ~2.8 rot
Frontier + Fortmaker = 2 rot

3 team skills, no combo
No Ult Gain = 4.5 rot
Full Seals Build = ~2.2 rot
Seals + Fortmaker = ~1.8 rot
Just Fortmaker = ~3.2 rot
Frontier = 4 rot
Frontier + Fortmaker = 3 rot

[crude crag]

ya but my LR cant dodge and FS at the same time

[terse furnace]

just dodge

[crude crag]

then final strike gets delayed?

[daring dove]

Finally.

[terse furnace]

Oh no, it got delayed by a whole .5 seconds! What will you do?!

Come on, man

[crude crag]

i would use snowshine to ignore interrupt and add another cyro infliction

[terse furnace]

god damn, pot 5?

Took you long enough to get that essence

[proud vector]

alternatively mainfield Xaihi for ranged autos

[daring dove]

Yep.

[proud vector]

did you know Flourite has an exceptionally fast attack string?

[ocean hawk]

okay

[terse furnace]

Fluorite also has no damage amp 🥀

Idk why they didn't buff her after CBT

[proud vector]

but what of the funny as shit but terrible max upgrade dark lung LR bs 3x + 4 stack CS into ulti rotation

[terse furnace]

This just makes me wish the devs would add a decent Cryo inflictor

[proud vector]

we do

[mystic halo]

blue wulfgard next patch

[proud vector]

She’s called last rite
She will give you cyro infliction for the low low cost of 70sp

[mystic halo]

nothing has changed except he is blue

and is cryo

SAVED

[proud vector]

but yeah, a vanguard would be nice for ice LR

[outer ermine]

make it a girl and its a deal

[proud vector]

Shiba Inu is not terrible though

very cute and link on ult

[echo crown]

what changes would amber need to be good?

[proud vector]

when bosses start throwing out unavoidable damage

We don’t really have much of a durability check atm

[terse furnace]

It'd mean Yvonne is free from being extremely reliant on Gilberta and Xaihi Combo suddenly becomes usable again!

[echo crown]

well that sounds like nvidia stocks in 2016

or bitcoin

[crude crag]

are there any items that can push my xaihi intel to 1.2k?

[summer flicker]

why would you need int to 1.2k

[daring dove]

ATK% on weapon makes such a huge difference.

[terse furnace]

Shhhh, don't say that too loudly. The Crit copers will come in and say atk% sucks

[crude crag]

so that she can hit 30% amp limit?

[summer flicker]

its 30%-21% / 0.026%

you raise the base not

[proud vector]

I think that’s future proofing more than something you can hit immediately

[summer flicker]

start from 0

[crude crag]

so....i do not need intel?

[summer flicker]

346 int is enough

[crude crag]

so with 346 i get max 30% boost?

[proud vector]

Or, as it turns out, wacky mechanics

[summer flicker]

yes

[crude crag]

how do u calcualte it again? im lost

[terse furnace]

nuh uh, it's 347 gotta round up smh

[summer flicker]

(30-21)/0.026 = 346.15, so 347 for max 30% amp

[crude crag]

oh its not 21 %+ 30%?

[summer flicker]

nope

that would be op

at p5 iirc, she give like 59% amp in total when skill + ult

[crude crag]

i must have misread i guess

is there a way to check? if its 21% + 30% or 30%-21% / 0.026%

[summer flicker]

the way i understand that is, amp increase per intellect is 0.026

and the limit of that raise is 30%

so you go from 21% to 30% max

i doubt you can get 1k2 int

[crude crag]

ya hence the increase max limit is 30%, so 21% + 30% right?

[summer flicker]

increase the base 21 to 30%

[crude crag]

r there any damage test dummy in game?

im gonna need to run some tests

[urban plaza]

the first boss

is your best choice

[crude crag]

i will hold your theory and go test now

how do i charge up my xaihi ulti fast

[drifting quest]

@twilit quail no rush to fix it but like frontier akekuri is kinda cheeks
max artifice frontier vs max artifice seals build is a whopping 4.5 sp diff per combo skill

and then seals build gets ult up to 2 entire rotations sooner

Fortmaker gets really close to knocking an extra rot off too so might be genuine tech choice if i tinker with rotations a bit more for people with no thermite cutter

[tight haven]

rhodagn

[crude crag]

8720 last rite final strike when xaihi intel is at 433
7760 last rite final strike when xaihi intel is at 409
so if her intel is at 433 and 409, the boost should be capped at 30% which in this case does not show the same dmg
hence my theory is the 30% refers to her limit from Amp increase per intellect, hence its 21% + 30% (whatever her intel has)

[tight haven]

[crude crag]

ya got it, result is out

so back to my question, how do i get my xaihi intel to 1.1k+?

[summer flicker]

what the base strike dmg

no buff

[woeful plume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1pWkWBVE1c/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1&trackid=web_related_0.router-related-2479604-gjmc5.1769983896029.142 can someone explain to me how this is exactly possible?

[crude crag]

there is difference? final strike and base strike?

hang on i go back to test

[summer flicker]

final strikewith no buff

i maen that

[crude crag]

8720 dmg last rite final strike when xaihi intel is at 433
7760 dmg last rite final strike when xaihi intel is at 409

[summer flicker]

ye without xaihi buff

to see how much the amp buff

[crude crag]

ok i go test that, hang on

[crude crag]

5613 final strike without buff

[summer flicker]

so 38% amp buff with 409 and 55% amp buff with 433

do you wear this set

[twilit quail]

same set as wulf for charge?

or is there a better way to route for marginally more stats

[crude crag]

yes on both test, i remove her weapon to reduce the intel

[summer flicker]

but a 55% buff - 16% >30%, i guess it > than 30%

[rose cedar]

I tested things with my Alesh, and the battle skill SP recovery doesn't seem to trigger SP recovery-based effects (like thermite cutter or the frontiers armor set), no matter the amount of cryo infliction consumed in the process
His combo skill and his ultimate are triggering the passives correctly though
Is it a known bug or am I misunderstanding something about the battle skill ?

[crude crag]

meaning its capped at 30%?

[summer flicker]

more than 30%, so its not capped at30%

[crude crag]

oh so it means this logic is correct? 21% +30% (base on xaihi intel)

[summer flicker]

i guess

[crude crag]

if that is true then this is 24%+36%

60% amp

so anyway back to my question, how to get xaihi intel up to 1.2k?

[civic wolf]

so there's no way in hell I can gather 20-30 pulls entirely from daily/weekly/events during Gilberta's banner period right?

Just trying to gauge how 'cooked' I am that i can't get Gilberta for my Yvonne

[drifting quest]

Wulf at p5 just goes seals
P0 theres variation

[twilit quail]

I mean left side

icba to open the game

rn

Im playing dressup game

[wicked phoenix]

what is best to select for Laeviatain weapon?

[ripe parrot]

int boost / twilight

[earnest lark]

Pins in #team-build

[wicked phoenix]

oh thanks a lot

[drifting quest]

xiranite + tide body should be the most int

[twilit quail]

so it's the same set

well that makes things easier

[drifting quest]

wulf is on lynx gloves

[twilit quail]

oh yeah right

[drifting quest]

its the same as laev's

[twilit quail]

there is a part of me that

yeah that's what I associate it with

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

wulf builds are going to be a hassle because p0 has a good er breakpoint to chase but it's not just full seals

there's obj 9/9 stuff too

potentially for p5 wulf too

i need to do some napkin math on obj vs clannibal (or wedge)

with sets too

but set bonuses kinda suck for wulfgard so its probably weapon

[next helm]

I would say int %atk, as you can get thermite cutter and some other weapon essences too

[summer flicker]

ye i just test it, really 24% + 36%

oh wow, now how to 1k2 lmao

[drifting quest]

atk% + int + (depends which weapons you'd want to chase)

will for thermite, main% has a couple i think

its pinned in team build basically

[summer flicker]

4380 no crit 6569 crit (no buff)
5943 no crit 8914 crit (with buff)
35.6% 488 int

[crude crag]

spread the word i guess, hopefully someone out there would give me the answer on how to increase xaihi intel to 1.2k

[summer flicker]

the best you can do now prolly tis

[next helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463293215301042236/1467174087641137367/image.png?ex=69820ed9&is=6980bd59&hm=6b08118a7062a529ce7a959e7c1ba76ae2a86862e94d7e959aab8e4fccf27c65&

[summer flicker]

stack 2nd attribute everywhere

[next helm]

Int str wil for these options

Or agi if you want the 5 star

[crude crag]

oh we r using different set?

[summer flicker]

and get a 3 essence of this

[drifting quest]

xiranite is better if she's the only one with it

frontiers stacks secondary att% if there's someone else with 3p xiranite

[next helm]

Support sets feel so weird

[summer flicker]

gilb gonna use xinarite on my yvonne team

since i want to ult every rot

[next helm]

16% dmg increase when a weapon gives like 100% dmg

[crude crag]

done

[sterile patrol]

rest in peace old xiranite truly the stuff of gods

[civic wolf]

so how 'cooked' is Yvonne without Gilberta? I'm a bit worried since my bare minimum invest Yvonne already got screwed over in the 80 stam stage entirely because of her nonexistant AoE

[crude crag]

u lost me there, how to increase again?

[next helm]

What did it give, didn't get into any beta

[drifting quest]

As in you dont want 2 people on xiranite

[sterile patrol]

16 atk instead of 16 dmg if im not mistaken

[drifting quest]

Damn

[summer flicker]

use this set with 2nd attribute (int)

[next helm]

How do you run damage gilberta

Document says it's possible

[summer flicker]

maybe 600 max for now, need to max this set too

no wuling money

[crude crag]

armor as well right?

[drifting quest]

Yeah

[summer flicker]

yes

[crude crag]

alrite, gonna lock in

what about the 4th set?

[summer flicker]

no 2nd attribute gloves

i guess just ult eff

[drifting quest]

Xiranite gloves have int and ult %

The ult % might be useless

Depends on breakpoint

[daring dove]

There we go that's starting to look pretty nice now.

[drifting quest]

But int is int

[sterile patrol]

jelly

[twilit quail]

double lynx slab

she is primary wil secondary int and can use it perfectly

[crude crag]

this?

[summer flicker]

ye

[next helm]

Is arts intensity not a valuable stat?

If you run double lynx are you still on a 3pc?

[twilit quail]

no

you just stack attributes

that's literally it

[next helm]

Sig required?

[twilit quail]

not really

this is a set that's more for like

overworld shit

and dedicated speedrun timeline when we have ult energy from fucking stew meeting

to do a double ult timeline

[next helm]

How much ult eff does she regularly need?

[drifting quest]

depends entirely on the team

[twilit quail]

because there isnt any team other than shitty yvonne who actually does a rotation with her

it's very arbitrary how much charge there is on her

cause all of her use cases are currently either "it doesnt matter" or "I'm going in with stocked ult and ult charge consumables"

but it's also fine to just stick 3x xiranite

she can use the stats well

[next helm]

Kinda difficult to look into the future

[twilit quail]

and can activate it with ult

[woeful plume]

third ask is the charm, does anyone have gameplay footage of laeva with charge set

[next helm]

Is getting her sig good for the future or nah

[drifting quest]

30000 more stew meetings

[twilit quail]

the sig is very strong

insane uptime on the buff cause it's on qte

and 0 sp cost

[drifting quest]

bilibili has some but they can be hard to differentiate from p4 runs at a glance and for every 1 charge set run there's 4-10 non charge set runs

i didnt save links sadly

[woeful plume]

yeah i got fried at bilibili

[next helm]

Also difficult to see how useful she will be in the future, don't know if any of yall played genshin. but at first a character called venti was opop. Until they only created enemies that couldn't be grouped

[noble tapir]

So what are the investment priorities for the pog/chen/pan or endmin/lifeng team. I've been kind of all in on laev but kind of have that team in a decent spot since the supports for it don't need crazy investment

[woeful plume]

couldnt find one

[woeful plume]

key difference

ventis only niche is grouping

vv sucrose could also use

[next helm]

Not anymore after the buffs :^)

[woeful plume]

if u didnt get elegy, u had no buffs compared to another anemo unit

gilberta is kinda stacked tho

[woeful plume]

tru tru

[twilit quail]

even if you took away grouping from angelina she is still an insane universal magic dmg buffer

even if you took away both her talents and grouping

this unit would be 90% intact

[sterile patrol]

magic dmg

[next helm]

So sig is a good idea?

[woeful plume]

normalize calling it magic dmg

[sterile patrol]

it's a pretty cool name tbh

[manic blade]

soon

[next helm]

Thinking to skip yvonnes sig and grabbing gilby

[twilit quail]

the unit is like missing half her limbs without the sig

cause the sig's effect is

[woeful plume]

this is half bait but

[twilit quail]

on top of the ult charge

[woeful plume]

getting sig in this game is free no?

[noble tapir]

relatable

[twilit quail]

a 60-70% uptime xiranite set effect that is twice as potent

[next helm]

True but you can't get every sig

[twilit quail]

it's VERY good

[next helm]

if you are f2p/guppy/dolphin

[sterile patrol]

Idt its that crazy to get

[woeful plume]

ohhh prydwen updated

now it looks nice

[twilit quail]

even considering benching wulfgard

[woeful plume]

no ardelia phys is there too

[twilit quail]

is an exercise in insanity currently

[woeful plume]

i've seen some alright runs with it tbh

[next helm]

Convinced then, I'll grab gilbys sig and grab BP or wedge for yvonne

[crude crag]

does this activate for xaihi?

[woeful plume]

if u start with ult

[twilit quail]

it's just strictly worse

and if you start with ult

you have p5 wulfgard ult timelines

which megaaccelerate everything

[drifting quest]

agendaposted hard enough

proud

mines still not updated

fake site

[twilit quail]

cause he can solo give lae 4 stacks right off the bat

for 1sp

[woeful plume]

[twilit quail]

I didnt believe in wulfgard that much in the last test

[next helm]

They updated a lot it seems

[twilit quail]

partially because akekuri was the way she was

but now

he's THE guy

[woeful plume]

kıind annoyed by the fact that banners dont have 5* rate ups

it will be lottery to get a p5 wulfgard

[next helm]

My wulf is P2

[drifting quest]

i need 2 more for p5

surely i get them from the free 20 ill do on gilb's

p0 rotations are so cooked by comparison

[celest mountain]

Can someone explain this to me? How do damage and attack work in the game? I found this, but I don't even know if it's correct

[drifting quest]

is that the

kqm font

mental flashbang

ok so

this is just one factor of the damage formula

[manic blade]

redacted mains

[boreal sluice]

A question, i have wulf sig, is it worth it to use his enhanced skill to apply the debuff from sig, or just use laev enhanced ult skill

[drifting quest]

clannibal isnt worth the sp

[next helm]

You hate kqm shuo?

[drifting quest]

no its just like

[twilit quail]

what is kqm

[drifting quest]

a mental flashbang

keqing mains

genshin theorycrafting

[twilit quail]

ahhh

I see

[drifting quest]

they used that font a lot or one similar to it

[twilit quail]

I was expecting something worse

Im not sure what exactly, but something worse

[drifting quest]

so its like super old neural pathway refiring seeing the font

[woeful plume]

kqm 2.x tc

memory lane

[drifting quest]

A BETTER TIME

[woeful plume]

KQM STANDARDS

[drifting quest]

KQMC

fixed + floating subs

😭

[next helm]

Is it not worth to upgrade support gear rn?

[drifting quest]

depends on the support

case and point akekuri who opens up a lot more freedom for teams with max artificed gear

[twilit quail]

it's just that she is at risk of being replaced

[next helm]

Cause she gets more stats so gives more sp?

[drifting quest]

actually akekuri's energy calcs are gonna matter per team

[twilit quail]

in some plaecs currently

[drifting quest]

this is so over

[twilit quail]

so it's kind of

[drifting quest]

seals build is giga generic at least

[twilit quail]

it's kind of dangerous

[drifting quest]

you dont feel bad about having it upgraded

[twilit quail]

to artifice on her currently

yeah to an extent

[woeful plume]

just click seals

[drifting quest]

you throw it on one of like 5 other units

[twilit quail]

and frontier is also shot in the head

same with xiranite

so who gives a fuck about that effect

[drifting quest]

yeah

[woeful plume]

yeah the

alleged support sets

feel super underwhelming

[twilit quail]

I keep thinking like

ooh a xiranite user

and then I remember

it sucks ass now

[drifting quest]

the upsell when 1.1 immediately introduces a better support set

[next helm]

You are just gonna run both no?

Or is it that bad

[drifting quest]

frontier is kinda just

ass on everyone who could run it

maybe not alesh or arclight

i havent looked into theirs yet

and im never touching alesh and his rng

[twilit quail]

alesh needs full charge as well

to function at all

[drifting quest]

i can see that

[twilit quail]

you just need to hit the 10%

raw

well not exactly 10%

but on the lower end of chances for sure

[drifting quest]

arclight energy gen also directly related to the skill level of the pilot

[next helm]

Are you telling me this game already needs a rework for stats

[twilit quail]

no they were just a bit heavy handed

with some changes

ok you know what's funny

[next helm]

Just need to make sure every time we get a questionaire we tell them to not become like zzz

[twilit quail]

akekuri is staying on frontier

for last rite

AHAHA

what a world

[drifting quest]

what the fuck is a second rotation

🔥

physical probably likes frontier too

since you actually stagger enough

[twilit quail]

I dont even want to think about physical fielding this unit

[next helm]

Call me when they add necrosis

Or would it be aether in this game

[twilit quail]

ok so the thing is, right

[woeful plume]

physical 4x swordmancer technologia

[twilit quail]

ake/chen/ard/endmin

was a competitive speedrunning comp

in cbt3

believe it or not

and despite being 4 free units

[drifting quest]

id believe anything with 300sp printer akekuri

[twilit quail]

it was an exclusively late game thing

and feels like shit early on

[woeful plume]

honestly

it'd be a great thing

[twilit quail]

and that is the last time Ive seen ake on that team

[woeful plume]

no pull account speedrun

[twilit quail]

chen solo

🔥

[drifting quest]

chen solo clearing faster than premium investment teams

[twilit quail]

LR is also actually pretty good at staggering

[celest mountain]

Nobody? Anyone who knows how attack, damage, and critical hits work and how they connect?

[twilit quail]

so it actually makes sense beyond "kill in 1 rotation"

[celest mountain]

If anyone knows, tag me

[next helm]

Which of the bp weapons is relevant for the future

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.0

[next helm]

Like what could work for others, or is basically the best to upgrade

[drifting quest]

none are really future proofed

[next helm]

So just grab whatever?

[drifting quest]

and none are really good, maybe gilbs

[twilit quail]

at best they will be second-rate options

[drifting quest]

id just hold the box

hold the tokens

prydwen calcs are out for yvonne too actually

i should check that

[twilit quail]

it's so fucked that she might actually have to play alesh

[drifting quest]

its so over

[winged adder]

does wulfgard work with frontiers

[next helm]

Wrong info?

[drifting quest]

permanent damage to the community

[winged adder]

he technically recover sp

[woeful plume]

1 sneak

[drifting quest]

i love my yvonne team where yvonne sits on the sidelines and watches last rite drop a nuclear bomb on the boss

[outer ermine]

[next helm]

Is it that wrong?

[twilit quail]

it's strictly worse than solo last rite

and significantly more expensive to raise

[woeful plume]

it'd need you to consume heat stacks

to recover and i quote

5 sp

[twilit quail]

oh shit I just realised

[next helm]

You mean solo as in

1 character

[twilit quail]

well her

and 3 cheap buff slave

[winged adder]

ughh he doesnt have any good sets

what do i put on him

[twilit quail]

compared to two raised 6*s

[woeful plume]

seals

[twilit quail]

we also need to buy monaihe copies

cause it's fortmaker

and if we dont want another pog incident

we need to be prepared

[next helm]

So what would yvonne need to run

Or is last rite just her best team ?

[twilit quail]

it might be yeah

but it's also strictly worse than just a last rite team

[drifting quest]

akekuri is like the other consideration

or fluorite but its fluorite

[blazing lake]

Last rite + Yvonne

[woeful plume]

flour

[blazing lake]

W comp

[drifting quest]

like i dont know what is worse to be recommending

last rite or fluorite

[blazing lake]

Why run a dps that relies on cyro stacks

[twilit quail]

shit man I want to pull just for det unit and therm

[blazing lake]

When Yvonne pew pews

[drifting quest]

surely gilb sig will have the same drops

[twilit quail]

but there are also

two evil useless offrates

so like

man

[drifting quest]

det should be on there because they always put another 6* you can lose to

[amber vapor]

Lvl 45 orig bp reward gives a chest that lets you get thermite

[drifting quest]

like wnn for laev

[twilit quail]

no

you dont understand

I want like

6 thermites

[drifting quest]

thermite is on the 40 pull of beginner banner

[twilit quail]

and 6 det units

[woeful plume]

unlimited thermite hack

[drifting quest]

i know because my dumbass DIDNT SEE IT THERE

[next helm]

Multiple thermites or potentialed thermite

[blazing lake]

Bro is all in

[drifting quest]

i picked the bricked ass greatsword

[twilit quail]

WHAT

??

[outer ermine]

i got oblivion and FF from that shit

[woeful plume]

ember main

[twilit quail]

ember main who needs to replace finery

[drifting quest]

right in the middle of my screen

[twilit quail]

baecuse ember is useless without her actual sig

[woeful plume]

LOL

[drifting quest]

i benched last rite immediately too and the weapon sucks balls on her

permanent account damage

never recovering from it

[blazing lake]

UID?

[drifting quest]

uid for what

[next helm]

Is the best just detonation unit

[blazing lake]

Bricked account

[next helm]

Or wedge?

[drifting quest]

its not bricked i just run obj akekuri

[twilit quail]

and I cant even get the selector box until I go like 140 pulls into the pool

[summer flicker]

detonation goat

[twilit quail]

god it's so bad

[blazing lake]

O

[drifting quest]

it wont matter for me when rossi drops because i pull her sig

[winged delta]

Is there a damage calculation website?

[twilit quail]

whatever surely I will just get them over time

[daring dove]

I mean her sig looks pretty bad outside of its sustain capabilities. An if all you're trying to build is a sustain why not use Ardelia who you get for free who can also support. I honestly don't get the design intend with Ember.

[drifting quest]

tell that to the 20 people a day who say they're running ember anyway

[amber vapor]

Ember is the perfect auto combo head empty character

I see red, therefore I respond with my own red

If she did more DMG at lower HP or had higher crit at lower HP that would be cool

[naive urchin]

What is the max damage so far in a single hit? I swear I did just over 100k on the final swing with last rite, but I missed the screenshot. And shes not even topped off

[amber vapor]

Saw someone with 6k atm DMG on Pog somewhere on this server

[lime bear]

@drifting quest wtf is this luck? farmed once on Power Plateau for Ardelia sig and got +3 Infliction and +3 treatment right off the bat, max skill already 😭

why can't I get +3 Twilight immediately smfh

[drifting quest]

lucky you

[naive urchin]

constantly knocking enemies down feels fun af though

[lime bear]

3/3 and +3 on skill...

[drifting quest]

1.5-1.8ish million

might have gone over 2mil by now

[naive urchin]

currently farming this

[naive urchin]

WOAH

[amber vapor]

Yeah on normal enemies sure but

I found out the hard way with Yvonne that if you dodge while you cast her skill it will cancel the projectile and eat up the SP

Happens with Lev too

[outer ermine]

nah we're barely reaching 1.5m

[next helm]

So I am cooked if I grab navigator for yvonne

[summer flicker]

just roll her sig after

[lime bear]

man I already have Last Rite and want to build her but I heard she needs her sig. I'm too poor in Arsenal cuz early Laevatain pity + hard pity her sig smh

can't afford Khravengger in this economy

[amber vapor]

Iron Lung did me well when I was maining LR

[daring dove]

I'm starting to realise why Thermite Cutter is so strong. It has a direct impact on your weapons base ATK the same as ATK% on your own weapon. It's over a 10% increase in team damage an my flow is only level 3.

[next helm]

Yeah but what if i want sig

[amber vapor]

Are there any diminishing returns on atk %?

[lime bear]

@drifting quest am I lucky or is 3/3 not that hard to farm actually? I got Forgeborn 3/3 1st try, Thermite 3/3 3rd try and Ardelia sig 3/3 1st try again heck got two 3/3s on 1st try

[drifting quest]

aah comment

[daring dove]

Every number has diminshing returns, but it scales pretty damn linearly up to 100% which you aren't reaching anyway. But this is only ATK% specifically on weapons the rest of the games ATK% is pretty meh.

[drifting quest]

yes as with any buff source but atk has less sources of external buffs

[hollow raptor]

it's 1/8 chance on avg. you're lucky but the farm itself isn't that bad anyways.

[drifting quest]

atk% from stats is a separate multiplier

[drifting quest]

its a lot less than 1/8

[hollow raptor]

it's exactly 1/8

per run

[lime bear]

one of the secondary is entirely random right

[drifting quest]

its 1/24 for a specific drop to begin with, let alone starting with THREE PIPS

[hollow raptor]

you get 3 essences per run

[lime bear]

plus that of the 3 main

[hollow raptor]

it's an 11 % chance to get the essence you want per run if you get 3 essences per run. this obviously assumes using ticket. just math it out if you don't believe me.
1-[1-(1/3×1/8)]^3

[glad niche]

Or an 89% chance to get fucked

[sterile patrol]

Diminishing returns is rare, you might mean opportunity cost and dilution

Nearly every buff will technically diminish the more you get

[celest mountain]

wrong chat

[amber vapor]

Yeah I meant moreso the math behind the additive stacking on % atk and how multiplicative it is on base stats. I'm too lazy to do the math myself but once I actually get deeper into essence farming I'll prolly crunch all the numbers myself in testing.

[sterile patrol]

ah ok

[safe sand]

is the only truly "diminishing returns" stat in game rn arts intensity?

[amber vapor]

I honestly don't see an insane need to minmax essences and artifices rn personally

[sterile patrol]

Link stacking has a diminshing formula too

[safe sand]

ic

[drifting quest]

you can clear everything without essences or artifices yeah

people were clearing with level 60 teams

[safe sand]

trims 🥀

[drifting quest]

trimmed included

[safe sand]

what level 60 team got the triangle trim wtf

[drifting quest]

physical of course

[safe sand]

oh

hmmm

[drifting quest]

they were on actively bad sets too

stuff like frontier pog

[hollow raptor]

i have massive skill issue so i need to squeeze every bit of dps out of gear/levels i can

[blazing lake]

I mean...

If you have a hyper carry...

You just E3 for gold gear

[celest mountain]

Are there any creatures that have the Sanctuary effect?

[safe sand]

i mean have you seen level 60 laev trims

where the laev is level 60

🗿

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

if laev can solo trim she can trim at level 60

[safe sand]

i need to see a video for ts bro 😭

[drifting quest]

there's like 20 of them

most are whaled

but rhodagn the fraud has p0 ones

[lime bear]

11.9% so around 12% yeah not that bad

1 in 8.34 ish pretty forgiving

[safe sand]

whaled as in high pot? or

[drifting quest]

yes

[honest sky]

which bronkrusher poncho is better for avywenna?

[safe sand]

hmmm

[hollow raptor]

the upgrades are also fairly forgiving. last two ranks have 5% & 2.6% chance respectively. won't take long to max out an essence.

[safe sand]

are you finding these on like bilibili or smth

[drifting quest]

yeah

bilibili has like x100 the clear vids

[amber vapor]

Yeah someone on Reddit posted a lvl 80 Chen soloing triag

[drifting quest]

oh the chen solo is on triagg now too?

trim?

[amber vapor]

Don't remember if it was trim

[lime bear]

already +2 twilight +4 int +3 atk, since int and twilight are very low should I try to bump atk first to +4 then go back to int or something since it's Very Low now

[safe sand]

found the level 60 rhodagn physifraud one lol @drifting quest

[drifting quest]

they did all 3

[twilit quail]

ok no I just realised

[safe sand]

his shit actually does twice my damage its crazy

[twilit quail]

I dont have to do this

eventually my standard 6*s will be full pot

[drifting quest]

ginseng meat stew

you can just buy the guaranteed ones no

[twilit quail]

and when you get an extra dupe for a 6* that is already max you get the purple tokens instead

[drifting quest]

oh yeah

[twilit quail]

and so that way

[woeful plume]

are u a lightspender

[amber vapor]

Waiting for some Chad to post them soloing everything with Ember

[hollow raptor]

twilight +3 is 5% chance, int +5 is also 5% chance, atk +4 is 10% chance, up to you how you arrange it

[twilit quail]

if I ever spend money on dupes or whatever

I will be able to progress towards those gradually

[woeful plume]

3 hour bossing sesh

[twilit quail]

because I will probably spend money for mi fu or fangyi

[blazing lake]

It's possible

If you max every stats not including the levels

[safe sand]

i mean seeing now what whaled units can do i believe it

[twilit quail]

both physical and lae can do it at lv60

[hollow raptor]

i thought whaling was a relatively small boost anyways

[twilit quail]

without maxing out other stuff

if Im spending money Im doing it for the visuals

lmao

character has good p5 vfx and I like them? I will think about it

[amber vapor]

Fangyi will prolly be 3rd banner of 1.1 so you have some time to save up

[twilit quail]

vfx ugly? hell no

[hollow raptor]

i can't even trim with 90/90 laev

something something skill something

[safe sand]

i mean tbh i feel like half of this is just like having the sig for the character

[drifting quest]

if there were better paid packs id probably consider dropping a bit

[blazing lake]

Surprisingly this game runs pretty well on a steam deck

[woeful plume]

the paid packs are actually terrible tho

[drifting quest]

$20 for 20, $100 for 60

[amber vapor]

They're always a scam besides the BP and the monthly premium

[drifting quest]

or it might be like $20 for 10 if they're half arsenal

[hollow raptor]

they're better value than the default packs if nothing else

[twilit quail]

Im hoping I get a bit lucky with ange

[drifting quest]

rare case of I want to give them my money but they make it hard

[hollow raptor]

the packs are pretty typical i think for a "big" gacha

[amber vapor]

Whale when Chen alter comes out trust

[hollow raptor]

they want you to get the bad value default packs

[safe sand]

you need 800 rocks for guaranteeed rateup right

[hollow raptor]

yes

[safe sand]

how much does the most expensive purchase gve you?

[woeful plume]

crunchy rocks

[tight haven]

weapon banner is actually ass though bruh

[safe sand]

its like 100 dollars for what

[drifting quest]

chen goes on holiday again

[tight haven]

like its so fucking hard to get the featured and it costs so much to pull

[drifting quest]

60 pulls

the $100 op pack is 60 pulls

just under, even

[hollow raptor]

over time the average will be 513 rocks however

[tight haven]

it doesnt rly matter but it feels awful pulling like 10 random ass 6* before the featured bc the featured rate is 25% lol

[safe sand]

is this with the first time bonus or no

[twilit quail]

Im just going to bank resources

[drifting quest]

yeah

[amber vapor]

I think you actually have to hit max pity on HH to get enough armory creds for a guaranteed weapon at max pity

[twilit quail]

cause there's probably 2 electric units coming

[woeful plume]

any refreshers btw

[drifting quest]

58 pulls for first time double

[twilit quail]

but it's not safe to actually start raising any of the existing electric units

[tight haven]

yes hh gives hilariously few pulls

120 pulls doesnt even guarantee sig

[rare rover]

FINALLY

[hollow raptor]

weapon banner is great. it massively lowers the cost of char + sig compard to other big gacha if you calc it out.

[tight haven]

you have to keep pulling JUST to guarantee a sig

[amber vapor]

And the weekly gives only 100 creds

[rare rover]

@blazing lake HAHAHAHAHA

[lime bear]

Tangtang is 5*, Fangyi 1st half, Mi Fu 2nd half trust the cope

[twilit quail]

I sometimes spend on WW as well

[drifting quest]

194 OP x 2 = 388 OP
388 OP x 75 = 29100 Orundum
29100 Orundum / 500 = 58.2 Pulls

[lime bear]

[tight haven]

im talking abt how it feels here. like ive put 380 pulls into laevs sig banner

[twilit quail]

and that game is like

weapons alone

stinky

[tight haven]

and its p3

[twilit quail]

but I leave it at 6+1 in that game nowadays

6+5 is too much

[hollow raptor]

no, it's far, far more cost efficient to simply convert origeometry to weapon banner pulls. you still win even if you get character at pull 1 and start with 0 weapon pulls than compared to going to 120 pulls.

[tight haven]

180 of those pulls were from packs/bp btw

[amber vapor]

Tangtang's bro will prolly be the 5*

[safe sand]

da pan sidegrade incoming?

[tight haven]

but why would you then. just use their fake sig atp

[lime bear]

he's prob gonna die for Tangtang character growth

trust

suffering builds character

[blazing lake]

Remember your other 58 tries

:)

[safe sand]

wait you can do this?/

[rare rover]

nuh uh

[hollow raptor]

it's no different than wanting to get a character's sig. in other games you'll have to pull separately, here too.

[safe sand]

like you can straight up convert the paid currency to arsenal coins?

[drifting quest]

you can but you shouldnt

[amber vapor]

"Death" doesn't exist just reconvene a mf

[drifting quest]

pulling on char banner double dips

[safe sand]

hm

[woeful plume]

yeah

[drifting quest]

because you get pots

[tight haven]

if the idea is that you accrue weapon pulls over time to get sigs for chars you like then it works and i think its neat but if youre a whale like me theres a pretty gross incongruity in like, how many weapon copies you get from pulling chars

[woeful plume]

honestly

itd be very dumb if u couldnt

[twilit quail]

Im debating ange weapon p5

[tight haven]

mostly bc the rates are skewed so hard

[twilit quail]

personally

[safe sand]

surrounded by whales...

[tight haven]

i think its a boring sig personally

it looks cool at max tho

[twilit quail]

the visual design? yeah at p0 it's kinda lame

[tight haven]

like its a rly good sig but it has all the stuff at p0 and p5 is just more buff

[twilit quail]

I mean that's

the weapons inthis game

[tight haven]

yeah

[amber vapor]

Don't weps have a center glow at 3/3 essence too?

[twilit quail]

cause dupes only enhance ability 3

[sterile patrol]

shakespeare isnt dead

[tight haven]

goes for all sigs rn imo

[twilit quail]

it's for the better

[hollow raptor]

your average weapon pulls for patches where you pull a character will be 46 (if you buy bp), whereas the average cost of a limited sig is 51 pulls. it's just stupidly more efficient in the long term to just buy the weapon pulls for origeometry than pull more in char banner.

[tight haven]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

[sterile patrol]

[twilit quail]

at 9/9/9 yeah

[tight haven]

theres no incentive to get weapon pots besides to make it all shiny

WHICH IS FINE

[drifting quest]

eloquence

[amber vapor]

Oh it's at 9/9/9 not 1/1/1 bruhhh

[twilit quail]

essence vs no essence

[hollow raptor]

this is all averages though, including considering average cost of a character (77 pulls). luck will obviously make it vary but it's useful to know what you can get over the long term

[tight haven]

i just think for what it is it feels awful to try and max out a weap because wtf do you mean i can p5 a character and their weapon will be fucking p2

its unsatisfying is all i mean to say here

[drifting quest]

you get a little glowstick added onto the weapon at p5

FIRE

[amber vapor]

Hot Cheetos vs Extra flaming hot

[tight haven]

it would be way better if weapon pots were more or less on the same acquisition curve as char pots

[twilit quail]

the extra box they injected into the weapon banner pity is

it's kind of cringe

cause you have to live and die by what else is on the banner

and sometimes

[hollow raptor]

i really like waepon pots in this game, they're on the weaker side, not even doubling bonus at p5

[twilit quail]

the other stuff is just useless

[drifting quest]

they're all theoretically good things that just dont feel good practically

[tight haven]

its fine i guess. idk. i would unironically prefer just another 10 pulls

like even if they didnt count toward pity

[twilit quail]

like the surtr weapons

[tight haven]

surtr weapons are doodoo dogshit all around

[twilit quail]

two of the others i nthe pool

are useful

[tight haven]

except valiant and clan

[balmy jay]

[drifting quest]

im so glad i got 2 wnn and 2 wedge instead of actual weapons

[tight haven]

hey now

[safe sand]

wedge 😔

[tight haven]

wedge is yvonnes 3rd bis

[amber vapor]

Unless HG go the ZZZ route with their weekly/biweekly I don't see a need to even get the sigs

[tight haven]

you like yvonne dont you

[drifting quest]

i sure do love my wedge being optimal on 0 characters

[hollow raptor]

the drip is the main draw

[drifting quest]

not even 2nd bis for any

well maybe FLUORITE can have it as her SECOND best option

yippee

[safe sand]

i hate battle pass weapons so much

[tight haven]

the surtr banner sucks ass to pull on though agreed

i would love if you could pick like... three of the offbanners

[twilit quail]

PLEASE angelina

give me det unit

[drifting quest]

you know the worst sigs to pull for are going to have the best off rates

[twilit quail]

dude

yvonne

THERMITE CUTTER

DETONATION UNIT

[tight haven]

y'know. a little something neat that you can control so that you just dont want to uninstall when you pull 3 6* in a single multi and all of them are the worst weapons ever

[urban tiger]

am i right that Akekuri can't get Eternal Xiranite set buff? not from link, not from thermite cutter

[hollow raptor]

ill take that over no 6 stars

[tight haven]

you are correct

[twilit quail]

would you like 3 more wnns

[drifting quest]

therm det chiv valiant repute exemplar

[tight haven]

id take 3 fortmakers

[drifting quest]

or something

[tight haven]

over 3 wnns

[drifting quest]

for yvonne sig

[daring dove]

Does everyone get the same stock here or is it random?

[twilit quail]

repute is kind of a fraud

[safe sand]

whats wnn anyway

[drifting quest]

same for everyone

[amber vapor]

Is it even worth having your supports/arts affliction units at higher than lvl60?

[drifting quest]

white night nova

[tight haven]

server-dependent i think?

[safe sand]

oh that one

[drifting quest]

oh idk if asia is diff

[hollow raptor]

i wonder if we'll one day see a limited sig in here

[tight haven]

as in, asia gets its reset a bit earlier

but theyre still on the same rotation

[tight haven]

not before you've maxed out your hypercarry most of the time

[twilit quail]

I almost want to start raising phys but then I think about

the maths that Ive done on it recently

and the thought that I have to 90/90 3 chars

[hollow raptor]

if you're focusing on one team you'll find yourself with excess resources so may as well

[tight haven]

i want to raise phys but i dont have 3mil tc lying around

[amber vapor]

I have 3 hyper carries at lvl80 and I still want to build out Pog too fml

[tight haven]

actually id need more

goddamn

[daring dove]

I just want more Thermite Cutters to be honest, argubly better upgrades than most characters sigs anyway.

[amber vapor]

The resource to sanity ratio makes me cry

Gotta just rely on my daily distro

[hollow raptor]

i picked stupid valiant back then because i got lifeng

[tight haven]

yeah sanity is a pretty rough timegate

[twilit quail]

I mean lifeng has no weapons

other than the two 6*s

so it's not that bad in the grand scheme of things

[safe sand]

5star weapon lifeng hot ass

[hollow raptor]

the refresh cost feels far worse than sanity regen

[twilit quail]

and he's a really good unit

[tight haven]

yeah you can cope on valiant until you pick up his sig

actually valiant isnt even that much worse

[hollow raptor]

i dont use lifeng at all

[outer ermine]

30 mins and no crit is crazy

[tight haven]

crit fishing going well i see

[twilit quail]

valiant is only a little weaker

[hollow raptor]

i was going for a phys team but got lavacakes so that's that

[drifting quest]

critfishers when they hit the 95% instead of the 5%

[hollow raptor]

if i get pog i might build a phys team

[amber vapor]

So I had LR at lvl60 and then I pulled Yvonne 40 pulls into Lev banner so then I pivoted to lvl60 Yvonne + LR team and then eventually did lvl80 Yvonne + lvl 60 LR and two lvl 60 supps. For my Lev team that I got at max pity I just have lvl 80 + 2 lvl 40s supps and lvl 60 Ardelia

[tight haven]

waiting for the arsenal issue packs to reset with gilb so i can go back to being disappointed with weapon banners

[outer ermine]

i learned how to combo this mf and keep him alive enough for me to bring back xaihi and perlica ult in the same fight

[tight haven]

at least clannibal will be p4 soon

i love you clannibal

[outer ermine]

minmaxxing

[hollow raptor]

if you're building two teams you'll be dead broke and can't afford to raise units much beyond the bare minimum right now

[woeful plume]

luckily bare minimum is enough for everything

[tight haven]

umbral us easy af

[hollow raptor]

its not enough for my ocd

[amber vapor]

Yeah exactly. I'm fine with it tho tbh I'm enjoying making multiple teams but absolutely hate not having a surplus

[tight haven]

and the other events this patch are puzzle events

[hollow raptor]

i need to max my main team or else i feel stifled

[drifting quest]

umbral monument feedback about it being too easy

and its nerfed

[woeful plume]

mcdonalds endgame

[safe sand]

twin the game has been out for coming up on two weeks

[amber vapor]

I was very surprised after the nerf patch

[tight haven]

i think most people will struggle with it and thats ok

[twilit quail]

most people are using units such as

snowshine

[hollow raptor]

i know i will with those 3 stupid worms

[twilit quail]

and fluorite

cmon man

[tight haven]

umbral probably shouldnt be this uber hard event

[amber vapor]

Shush. Numbers go up, dopamine go up

[woeful plume]

idk how u can geniunely go wrong

[hollow raptor]

that's pretty fair. i have her set as my profile banner too to show my support.

[woeful plume]

90% of the units are functional

[ocean hawk]

not exactly a game mechanics, but how far is aic in the cbt ?

did u guys get stage 2 of the aic talent tree

[twilit quail]

the more I think about it, the more cringe alesh becomes

[ocean hawk]

for wuling

[twilit quail]

no

[safe sand]

rude

[twilit quail]

we never did

[tight haven]

we had exactly the same stuff in cbt2

[ocean hawk]

ah

[ocean hawk]

sadge

[amber vapor]

I got p1 Yvonne and I gotta say the increased radius + 3 blasts to the combo attack nade don't do much

[twilit quail]

we had wastewater at one point

but they scrapped it

[hollow raptor]

i wonder if we'll ever automate farming and trivialize consumables

[safe sand]

gacha gamer not willing to gamble during gameplay you hate to see it

[ocean hawk]

from what processes ?

[tight haven]

hes literally crit fishing the character

[ocean hawk]

just curious

[twilit quail]

from like everything

that used water

[sterile patrol]

replaced with fluorites kit

[tight haven]

goddamn you why are you so hot alesh

[twilit quail]

you needed to pump it into a processing building

[ocean hawk]

eh, thats kinda..... strange

i mean

[twilit quail]

and now it's gone

[hollow raptor]

really? looking at him just gives me the creeps

[safe sand]

this is a region 3 type mechanic

[ocean hawk]

not all water related process give waste (on some factory based games)

[safe sand]

please understand

[hollow raptor]

he's the creepiest char in the entire cast

[ocean hawk]

its good then

[hollow raptor]

his ult is cool though

[summer flicker]

sanest 5% crit fisher

[ocean hawk]

wdym region 3 ?

[tight haven]

bbg

[summer flicker]

maybe more like 16% counting food

[hollow raptor]

if our factory can make something out of nothing it can make nothing out of something too. we don't need to produce waste.

[amber vapor]

Wtf are they gonna even introduce in region 3 for the AIC since we already have endgame gear. Just new character specific gear? Minus consumables

[tight haven]

fuck you and your rare fish you asshole

[twilit quail]

red gear maybe

[daring dove]

I mean I'm eyeing up that eventual 28% more ATK. But this isn't going to be a short term thing. But with how ATK% is currently scaling on weapons that'll end up being about 25% more team damage on Akekuri or Pog. That said I reckon Pog's sig is pretty good for specifically Phy teams as well.

[safe sand]

quite frankly just luck in

[twilit quail]

but that is like in a year

[tight haven]

probably just more gear types

[safe sand]

its like locking in except with luck fr

[twilit quail]

cause v4/wuling is gonna be here for at least a year

[tight haven]

i think we are going to see a lot of like... featurecreep

[drifting quest]

they'll lock new gear sets to new region mats simply

[twilit quail]

and new gear that uses different artificing consumable

[amber vapor]

No way I say new region by summertime

[twilit quail]

• different modes of production

[ocean hawk]

well u can use that argument, but I mean normally not all process will resulted in waste, so its kinda strange cbt 2 impl has waste for every water related

[drifting quest]

doesnt even need to be a higher tier

[hollow raptor]

i thought we'd get lvl 90 gear by 1.1 or something lol

[drifting quest]

just have it cost different components and bills

[tight haven]

like are they just gonna have unique rare gathering materials for every region

[twilit quail]

Im just thinking

[safe sand]

endfield operator modules when

[twilit quail]

they will never make factory ever actually interesting

because if it is actually hard

[tight haven]

is a player who gets wisadel endfield in year 3 going to have to do 100 hours of story to be able to e4 her

[twilit quail]

95% of players wont be able to do it

[hollow raptor]

we just copy blueprints

[ocean hawk]

and iana gonna update the gear change again™

[safe sand]

i mean a nontrivial amount of players already just blueprint everything yea

[amber vapor]

I kinda wish there was a random invasion mechanic where your base can get raided at random by LBs

[sterile patrol]

I feel like blueprints let them increase the difficulty though for players that care surely

[amber vapor]

Imagine coming back online and seeing everything destroyed and in need of repair like it's CoC

[woeful plume]

i'd cry screaming bro

[ocean hawk]

its gonna be like factorio

[tight haven]

idk i feel like its a design problem that just requires creative solutions

[drifting quest]

before we get more complex factories let me actually split and converge pipes outside of the factory

thanks

[ocean hawk]

but never had offline phase

always on alert

[tight haven]

its not like harder aic content and player interest are in conflict

[hollow raptor]

they've had several years to think about this. we'll find out in time.

[tight haven]

like lowkey all my friends who play endfield love aic

[ocean hawk]

tbh, I just hope they added faster belt

[daring dove]

That sounds like absolute hell. Cease your ideals!

[safe sand]

its definitely just a divisive issue

[amber vapor]

Dwarf fortress ass mechanics where a single sand leaf seed becomes poisoned and then all of your meds become contaminated

[safe sand]

some people hate it

[tight haven]

even though their factories SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[safe sand]

some people love it

etc

[amber vapor]

I love that kinda pain

[woeful plume]

7 mins until 3 hours of wuling depot bus sniping

[amber vapor]

People have been doing the math for the most efficient belt usage

[tight haven]

id love to see a recurring mode where youre given a simulated aic in a protocol space and over the course of a few weeks you have to achieve production goals, and you unlock raw resource nodes and more areas in the protocol space by completing combat challenges

[safe sand]

roguelike factory mode when

wrong reply

[tight haven]

and it culminates in a tower defense or something

[amber vapor]

You know the tower defense mode they added in WuWa? They could just do that tbh

[ocean hawk]

elaborate pls (the furthest I knew based on my analysis is faster belt will not work if they didnt give upgrade to the facility since the processing time is the bottleneck for the belt)

[tight haven]

i think current endfield tower defense is sorta neat

they just have to expand upon it more

[safe sand]

the tower defense in question fr

[tight haven]

i still cannot believe people are doing that shit

[ocean hawk]

well, if it works it works ?

[tight haven]

it does indeed work

[amber vapor]

So to most efficient consume batteries or other materials in a line, people used the fact that it takes .5 seconds per item to move on a conveyor and continually used splitters to get the ratio to like 1/16th to match the battery production output to the actual generator consumption

[hollow raptor]

but now you're stuck with periods of power consumption warnings

which is triggering

[safe sand]

i mean this is just common sense no

[amber vapor]

I had that for a while anyways

[ocean hawk]

so we need slower belt ?

[safe sand]

you can split/merge to get specific rates

[ocean hawk]

how about configurable belt

[amber vapor]

No you can use splitters to slow the flow

It's 1/2 per

[ocean hawk]

but still, if it counted as building I dont want that

[safe sand]

i have a 5ferrite/min splitter contraption in valley4 so i can give it to wuling

[amber vapor]

Not everyone reads or knows math unfortunately

[ocean hawk]

all connection thingy counted as separate buildings / facility

[rare rover]

@blazing lake

[amber vapor]

There is a limit to the amount of splitters/bridges you can have so yeah

[valid zealot]

Whale badge?

[amber vapor]

I do think faster conveyors would be cool

Maybe actual transport buses