theorycrafting

[tight haven]

WOOOOOOOOO

[wintry hazel]

Pulsar glove due to ele bonus

[valid zealot]

[wintry hazel]

But yeah idk, u tell me

[valid zealot]

The seal lae is for high pot build

iirc

[tight haven]

its best the more expensive your laev is yes

because more of your damage is dealt by enhanced basics which p5 weapon and p5 laev boost a LOT

[valid zealot]

If just minmaxing the difference between, say, lynx slab vs tidefall armor is very tiny.

[wintry hazel]

Or should I just not do anything to avy gear rn?

[tight haven]

it's less this and more like, the redeemer build is really good for daily content

you can ult every cycle

[valid zealot]

Idk is Avy kit gated behind something.

[tight haven]

it's very comfy

[drifting quest]

seals works at p0

[formal swallow]

is this good enough

[tight haven]

optimal

[drifting quest]

you can run a slightly different setup of it at higher pots

[tight haven]

now level it up

yep

[torn raft]

Grats

[drifting quest]

seals build is reduced damage for 1rot ults

tide build is more damage but 2rot ults

slab is bad

[torn raft]

I think valley 4 ones u can farm more for +3s

[valid zealot]

Ofc it works but is it significantly better than the basic build.

[tight haven]

the seals build is massively reduced damage is the big warning

[frozen tide]

@wintry hazel only gear bonus i see worth would be pulsar and bonekrusha and bonekrusha has better individual pieces so it probs just is optimal

[torn raft]

But surtr essence is expensive to farm lol

[tight haven]

per rotation

[drifting quest]

we dont know which is better until we see what monument is

seals is qol for overworld and some bosses

[tight haven]

it just offers much smoother rotations

[valid zealot]

To the point it's worth gearing.

[drifting quest]

but if future bosses arent as bullshit as dorito or marble then like

why do you care for the qol

hence the short of it is

[valid zealot]

Fuck doritos.

[drifting quest]

we dont know until we see what content we're fighting in future

[valid zealot]

My whole gang hate doritos.

[drifting quest]

tide fall does not need artificing for anything other than damage gains so just run that with 0 artificing for now

[frozen tide]

First time i fought marble her fucking gross spear attack just oneshot me

[drifting quest]

wait 2, more likely 4 weeks and go from there

[frozen tide]

Not even her arial shit

Was a skill issue but was very frustrating

[valid zealot]

Do it for the love of the game.

I 4/9 all my Endmin pieces.

Surely this doesn't age badly.

[wintry hazel]

i know but bonekrusha doesnt seem a good piece to invest on either
theres only one char that relies battle skill so much, which is only her (avy)

[frozen tide]

So

U gons commit on avy or not

Make up that mind

[wintry hazel]

no im gonna commit on future ele dps

but is there anything that i should up on her rn and seem future proof

i feel like pulsar is

[frozen tide]

Weapon ig

[valid zealot]

Dev knows not us.

[frozen tide]

Jet is the best non physical damaging polearm rn

[wintry hazel]

weapon jet lv 90 with essence ready too

[frozen tide]

But if i had to take a wild guess

[wintry hazel]

so dont even need to touch avy gear rn?

[frozen tide]

When they release a cool spear elemental char they'll release a bis busted 6 star weap too

[frozen tide]

She will get much stronger with artificing and all the different investments to make her stronger

But like shes not that good rn

And she'll only get worse if i had to guess as new chars release

[wintry hazel]

yeah ik

so basically

[frozen tide]

Her combo skill has no debuff or application

Her potential as a support or sub dps seems non existent

[wintry hazel]

u tellin me to stop doin anyt to avy things rn

should i focus on artificing perlica though?

[frozen tide]

Her ult also has no debuff or application

[wintry hazel]

yh

[frozen tide]

Perlica is a good char but shes really investment efficient

You don't really need to heavy invest in her unless you use her for dmg

[wintry hazel]

more art intensity is nice

but well

u recommend me ig

what should i even do rn

invest on who

[frozen tide]

You insist on electro?

[wintry hazel]

i alr have team of lv 90 electro so..

[frozen tide]

WAIT

I got one

Gilberta

[wintry hazel]

my second team i def gonna phys

[wintry hazel]

i was planning to pull her yes

to replace my ardelia

[frozen tide]

😭

[wintry hazel]

so as of now invest dont invest more into anyone?

arclight perlica ardelia avy rn

[frozen tide]

Electro comp is so mid stubby and rigid you don't have that much wiggle room

[wintry hazel]

lv 80/90

[frozen tide]

Ardelia is a good char but she also is hella investment efficient

[wintry hazel]

save mats for invest gil? is that the recommendation

[frozen tide]

I rly don't see a clear recommendation for u

I'd say thats the best i got

[wintry hazel]

wb perlica more art intensity though

[frozen tide]

I mean

You can

[sly nymph]

help me invest

[wintry hazel]

like invest more into art intensity on her, get max essence on her wild wanderer cs im on electro team

and she seems bis for electro dps in the future too

electrified+art intensity

or not?

[frozen tide]

Perlica has potential to stay good or at least decent i think

Her combo skill is just nice application

[wintry hazel]

her art intensity is the most value from her

[frozen tide]

Effect Base multiplier × (0.5 + (Stack Count × 0.5)) × Level Multiplier × (1+ (Arts Intensity/100)) *
(ATK * DMG% * Stagger * Susceptibility * Amplification * DMG Taken% * Res * Def)

[wintry hazel]

thin i should just up artifice and farm essence for wild wanderer for her rn?

[frozen tide]

With this formula how much would arts intensity even buff the amp

[wintry hazel]

my avy is on cool spot

[frozen tide]

Electrification at stack 1 is 12 percent base

Knock yourself out with the calculation

See if it seems worth investing

[wintry hazel]

hm

[frozen tide]

Per stack

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?usp=drivesdk

Full doc

[wintry hazel]

1 art intensity=1% bonus dmg

[frozen tide]

Its multiplicative to the base multiplier

Which is not a good thing

Because percentage of a percentage

[trim sierra]

chat, i wanna upgrade my endmin gear, do i just go out maxxing agility?
what is the play here?

[frozen tide]

Check out the doc on build channel its awesome

They should just pin it here too

[wintry hazel]

252% dmg with current gear/not artificed
considering max duration and 184 art intensity

[trim sierra]

oh, i didnt know about that, thanks kind sir

[frozen tide]

Im hopping on the game back on to check arts intensity on electrification

[dry mason]

is your Combo Skill CD is refreshed if we transit to another boss phase ? @dry kindle

[wintry hazel]

im hella clueless and would like a recommendation ngl

even if its a guess

id gamble

[drifting quest]

increases the amplification

hence arts intensity perlica

[dry kindle]

idk 🗿

[frozen tide]

I just always thought it increases it relative to the original

[mystic halo]

the scaling is different for each category of effect

with intensity

the game tells you this

[frozen tide]

So if you have 100 arts amp would the forced electrification be 24 percent instead of 12

[dry kindle]

no

[safe flax]

Should I do this if I finished arknight enfield game and expect same amount of content from this game.

[frozen tide]

my assumption was always that it would be lower than that

but i dont know any of the numbers

so i never know whats actually what

[dry kindle]

its in game

[drifting quest]

arknights has a good x5-10 the content but is an entirely different genre

[torn raft]

Save yourself another part time gacha job

[sand pike]

arknights has auto deploy

[frozen tide]

doesnt the game just tell you how much your current stat if effecting whatever not the formula

[dry kindle]

yeah?

intensity effect on reactions is half

and gets worse over 100

[frozen tide]

oh its 50 percent up to 100 and 1/3rd over 100

i was wondering how 133 becomes 61

[trim sierra]

is there a chart for gear artificing?

[dry kindle]

what about it

[wintry hazel]

so does anyone have a recommendation on whos a good investment on the electric team rn?

considering i will pull the 6 star future electric dps

[drifting quest]

arclight is the least likely to get replaced due to being a vanguard

[wintry hazel]

considering ill also pull gil?

[drifting quest]

gilberta doesnt do anything to affect arclights value so yes

[wintry hazel]

u dont think perlica is safe?

[pure spoke]

would you guys say main attr. is better than twilight?

[drifting quest]

no

avywenna > perlica = 4th slot >> arclight

in terms of most likely to be dropped

[tender zephyr]

Wulf personal dmg is negligible even with clannibal on surtr team?

[drifting quest]

if you max essence, max artifice maybe its not so bad

[wintry hazel]

what about gil? should i invest on her too in term of being dropped

[dry kindle]

Clannibal doesn't do anything

[drifting quest]

but he's only doing combo skills and the occasional ult

[wintry hazel]

/ safe one

[drifting quest]

gilb is harder to comment on until we know what mi fu and/or fangyi do

[tender zephyr]

debuff bot with clannibal

instead of subdps

[dry kindle]

Debuff that basically never triggees

[drifting quest]

^^

that you also get from ardelia weapon

[dry kindle]

Ardelia fraud

[wintry hazel]

so just invest on arc

[dry kindle]

Antal ake wulf is the real team

🗣️

[drifting quest]

depends on if you care to wait or not

[wintry hazel]

i could but idk what to do with current sanity rn and im on bare min invest on electro team rn

lv 90 jet avy

wild wander only lv 60 , oblivion lv 80 but benched

[dire wind]

did u buy the bp?

[drifting quest]

what do you want to do in the game

if you want to try for trims you can go vertical on elec

[wintry hazel]

tryhard 💀

[wintry hazel]

thing is i alr counted as high investment rn no?

[next helm]

How do you calculate how much Ult gain efficiency you need in a team?

[dire wind]

farm wep essence

[wintry hazel]

lv 80/90 ele

[drifting quest]

mid to low

high invest is essences, artificing and potentials

[wintry hazel]

im replacing avy for future 6* weapon so i assume jet is out of question

perlica is also out of question

so idk

[wintry hazel]

yeah i have 300+ battery thingy ready for artificing rn

as for essences, i have like 20+ permits of wuling and 40+ valley iv

[drifting quest]

there's no leaks and even if there were they'd be disallowed anyway so we're really just sort of clueless of what fangyi and/or mifu do or want

so its always going to be a gamble on any investment

[wintry hazel]

yh just recommendation/thoughts is fine

[dire wind]

if ur that hellbent on investing sanity ur better off saving it for the discount event in a month

[dry kindle]

Theres like

[nova lance]

wuts the rotation for the ult eff laev?

[dry kindle]

99% chance there's a cap

[frozen tide]

Whats the discount event

[drifting quest]

id consider going for essences

[frozen tide]

???

[dry kindle]

1 combo 1 enhanced 3 battle

[drifting quest]

half cost to spend sanity on certain things

[wintry hazel]

whos essences? or just farm alot of essences for the future etch

[nova lance]

wut?

[dry kindle]

Daily cap right

Right

[nova lance]

she needs to do 3 battle skill?

[drifting quest]

should be daily cap

[drifting quest]

bit of both

[dry kindle]

Team

[drifting quest]

you can do one for like avy sig

if you're running supportive weapons id do their support lines first

[wintry hazel]

this is my avy rn

[nova lance]

when is discount event?

[drifting quest]

yvonne banner

[wintry hazel]

so u sayin wild wanderer? or stanza? or obj light considering the suggestion u said earlier, aka arclight is the least getting replaced

[nova lance]

for how long?

[wintry hazel]

i think its on the bare min invetment

but idk

[drifting quest]

stanza doesnt work unless it's on someone like gilb or ardelia
ww is good to grab the line for

thermite cutter for arclight would be a good one to do if you have it, obj if not

[wintry hazel]

obj light ?

[frozen tide]

Stanza is good for perlica on non ele comps

[wintry hazel]

do obj lines and ww ?

isnt obj light p5 better than therm

[drifting quest]

no

[wintry hazel]

so id better off wait till therm in stock and grab

[frozen tide]

Thermite cutter is also jsut kinda goated

[wintry hazel]

for gear just save for future right

[wintry hazel]

stanza looks goated too

[frozen tide]

Stanza is really good its just that its unusable with perlica on an ele comp

[dry kindle]

Obj pretty useless for laev

[frozen tide]

And actually

Stanza isn't even that good

[dry kindle]

Minor damage dilution

[frozen tide]

Chiv and deto exists

[wintry hazel]

o

[dry kindle]

Chiv needs heal

Can't stack deto

[soft osprey]

Why how come I never see anyone place Pylons in all the great area's I can get to?
I want to find more area's i'm not supposed to be >:D

[dry kindle]

And some can't use it

[frozen tide]

Thats true

[drifting quest]

stanza is good lmao

[dire nymph]

hows ult charge on lifeng

[frozen tide]

I use deto stanza myself

[drifting quest]

external atk% buffs are one of the better buffs you can get right now

[wintry hazel]

i mean i have 2 weapon crates rn

[frozen tide]

I don't think stanza is bad i just thought it might not be the best weapon for him to dump sanity into since 6 stars will always have higher percent

[wintry hazel]

idt any of them is worth to take for ele team comp tho

unless deto

nor do i know if its good to take deto rn and for who

[drifting quest]

deto is hard to proc on electric

just keep ww

[wintry hazel]

ight

[midnight stirrup]

Why are we choosing this gear for Xaihi?

My secondary stat higher than my main stat

[drifting quest]

int stacking

[dry kindle]

Ult

[drifting quest]

her ult amp scales with int

[midnight stirrup]

Oh word?

[dry kindle]

🗿

[midnight stirrup]

Wait can I see the improvement with the INT or is it a background calc

[frozen tide]

Does forced electrification not count for it

[dry kindle]

Its on the skill

[dire wind]

its on the skill

[drifting quest]

it wants arts burst not reaction

[dire wind]

mine is rank 3, it does get better

[midnight stirrup]

Oh true

Yea mine is 19% rn

[frozen tide]

The amp limit also raises from crowning

[midnight stirrup]

Yea thats a given

I was mostly just curious why we were amping Intellect

Does Xaihi benefit from the SP return = damage bonus for team passive

or is it dead

[frozen tide]

I dont think xaihi has any sp return

[midnight stirrup]

I thought the same but wanted to double check

combo cd red should be good tho

[frozen tide]

No

Her combo cooldown is 8 secs and only activates on final strikes

[drifting quest]

frontier does nothing

its just int

[midnight stirrup]

Ah

Welp

[drifting quest]

you can run xiranite if no other xiranite holder

[frozen tide]

Are you running a rite comp

[midnight stirrup]

Ye

[frozen tide]

If so just stick xira on ard and max out int on xaihi

Xaihi basically does 0 dmg

[midnight stirrup]

Yea guide seems to recommend xir for Ardelia regardless

so I will do that then

Ill put Gilberta on Laev for upcoming content

idk

[crude crag]

is it possible to hit the full 30%?

need about 1.1k+ intel

[fringe dirge]

I ran some calcs for Alesh Energy optimization on the shatter team.

He needs 46% to use ult every other cycle.
He needs 127% to ult every cycle. This goes down to 93% with pot 4

I don't think you're gonna be ulting every cycle without pot 4

I don't know if max artificed gear can hit 93%

It would suck to have to use Fortmaker to hit the ult regen threshold

[dire wind]

1.2k with m3 so probs not tbh which seems kinda dumb unless im missing something

[fringe dirge]

You're already not using frontier if you're using that much ult regen, so not using thermite cutter for team buff is a huge loss

[frozen tide]

Seems like 3x frontiers xira gloves deto unit p4 and max ascension gives 830 int unless i messed up the calc somewhere

You can prob squeeze out more using an int weapon but like

[crude crag]

what is deto unit p4?

[frozen tide]

Oh i meant p4 xaihi

This assumes p5 deto with max essence and all gear etching maxed

P4 xaihi gets +15 int

830 isnt bad tho 830x0.03 is 24.9 percent and thats ontop of already 24 percent

Just from ult

Wait a minute

Does amp limit include base amp

[wintry hazel]

scary guy p4 deto

[frozen tide]

If so you cap out at 400 int anyways

[wintry hazel]

is ww act safe choice to invest though

maybe hmm

[frozen tide]

"intellect raises amp limit"

Interesting wording

[wintry hazel]

i guess everything is a gamble

as of now for ele team

[frozen tide]

No clue if that means the limit of the additional amp or the total amp

[tight haven]

endfield wording

[frozen tide]

I have a feelIng its total amp tho

So im not gonna invest past 400 int on xai

[sterile herald]

pulled two int atk twi essences today

is there even a point of keeping the second

[mystic halo]

stanza

[sterile herald]

oh word

thanks

maybe i need to look harder at the chart in the future

[wintry hazel]

doesnt that mean im investing perlica?

[frozen tide]

Nah

Ur investing in the weapon

[wintry hazel]

weapon alone has art intensity though

ehh confused but ima js follow along and not think much

[fringe dirge]

Energy cycling for Da Pan is a pain...

Right now he's ulting every 3 cycles

But my Alesh and Estella and Chen can ult every other cycle

Wish his combo skill granted more Ult energy or something

[frozen tide]

Man i really hope xai doesn't hard cap at 400

I wanted to see how high I can get it

Maximize the damage per screenshot

Ggggg

I just looked at the korean wording

[fringe dirge]

What are the stats of artificed gear? All the websites that have info on gear only have their base stats

I'm trying to figure out how much I need to artifice to hit energy breakpoints

[frozen tide]

It says amp increase from intelligence limit

[frozen tide]

https://endfieldtools.dev/equipment/sets/eternal-xiranite/

This website has +3s

And +1s and 2s

[fringe dirge]

Ah perfect. Thank you

[frozen tide]

Chinese wiki is freaky

😭

[crude crag]

oh my xaihi is p5 maxed

[terse furnace]

Yvonne weapon essence obtained, yippee

[torn raft]

Greed for the +3 fracture

[sudden lichen]

I ended up swapping last rite chest for the ult dmg %

[green eagle]

help me out please which food item results in overall higher DPS increase, Jakubs legacy or Ginseng Meat Stew

[terse furnace]

I could just level it normally lmao

[torn raft]

Honestly might as well if u have everything else

[sudden lichen]

it's a bit less stat atk %, but getting over 35% ish ult damage is going to make a nuke difference

[terse furnace]

Next on the list is LR's weapon

[frozen tide]

I don't think its possible to even get close to max amp with current gear and weapon lineup. If they release a set with secondary attrubute increase on it that also has int main stat we could get closer

[torn raft]

Planning to farm fodder and greed at the same time, doesnt hurt to do

Should be able to get all of the essences by the time the 2nd has enough fodder to max?

[sudden lichen]

isn't it the ginseng? The flat attack is equivalent to almost 20% atk boost, + the crit rate

[green eagle]

problem is im not sure what the boosts even affect. Does Jakubs affect base atk only or no

[sudden lichen]

atk boost is base atk % yes

[green eagle]

with my chen, Jakubs gives me 213.84 base atk if it only boosts base atk

[fringe dirge]

There is not flat attack in this game, it's insane

It's a base attack buff

[green eagle]

so jakubs is better than ginseng

[sudden lichen]

idk, that's 33 more dmg but you lose 12% crit rate

[torn raft]

Crit is another unique dmg multiplier

Always worf

[sudden lichen]

wym

[fringe dirge]

Reactions can crit

[green eagle]

so crit over base, cause im trying to trim the first boss

[fringe dirge]

It gets multiplied by your attribute modifier

[sudden lichen]

wut

this is still a flat atk boost

[fringe dirge]

Okay wording is weird. I mean to say it's not like Genshin where it's added after your multipliers, it's added before

[sudden lichen]

yeah that's unrelated to genshin

[fringe dirge]

Flat atk stat in Genshin is terrible because it doesn't get multiplied by atk%

[sudden lichen]

flat just means it's not related to % increase

which in endfield, is insanely good

[fringe dirge]

It's just treated the same as adding more base atk

Really strong in this game

[sudden lichen]

yeah I guess you were thinking of flat damage, not flat atk

like 50 fire damage on hit or smth

[fringe dirge]

Nah I'm thinking of final atk

Atk stat that isn't affected by multipliers

[green eagle]

so ginseng gives more overall dps and is also easier to craft

[sudden lichen]

yes

[green eagle]

ill focus on that one then ty

[sudden lichen]

If your wuling farm is not full of ginseng plots then you haven't reached endgame yet

[quick tangle]

I hate wulling

[sudden lichen]

there's no worse place for a cryo user, but I still love it

[torn raft]

Ayo flat atk food applies before % bonuses?

That's amazing

[sudden lichen]

yeah, it's like an atk % except it doesn't rely on your atk

so a bit weaker if you have high base atk, but stupid good if you have lower

and overall just great since it comes with a high crit rate

it's like if your operator had 1.5x base atk (not counting weapon)

[fringe dirge]

@twilit quail is this ult generation breakpoint assuming pot4 Da Pan?
I'm having a lot of Ult Cycling issues at Pot 1

[sudden lichen]

btw I ended up going for the ult dmg piece, I think having a bit lower general damage but a much higher ult burst should be the best fit for a nuke character

[twilit quail]

are you getting two da pan combos and 6 team skills per full rotation

[sudden lichen]

the chest gives main strength too, so it's barely a difference in loss of stat atk %. And it gives over 32% ult dmg

[digital scroll]

can someone explain to me whats wrong with yvonne? i saw that ppl say shes worse than lastrite team and that she NEEDS gilberta but i havnt gotten a reasoning >..< and i just wanna understand

[drifting quest]

ok so like

this might take a while

[sudden lichen]

I guess no good cryo inflict support

she's still great, I just need to get her

[fringe dirge]

Yes, but doing the math
(6.5 * 6 + 10 * 2) * 1.297 = 76
His Ult costs 90, but goes down to 76 at Pot 4

[torn raft]

Range tax probably

[drifting quest]

1. no good cryo inflictors
2. ult anim lock/no super armour or stagger resist
3. abysmal potential outside of exactly sgt
4. no good gear
5. crit based unit with no real good crit payoffs or supprots
6. any time you would use yvonne last rite just does more easier
7. super sp greedy without good sp gen options
8. really reliant on sig to do anything meaningful
9. pretty slow ult cycling
10. reliant on damage amp to one rot but tends to fall short of that
11. content isnt favoured for one rot bursting anyway
12. her ult cast time is so long that a good chunk of otherwise good buffing effects expire before she finishes
13. slow and clunky animations as a whole that can't really be animation cancelled

i think thats most

[twilit quail]

nvm I checked it is

uhhhhh

let me think

how to reconcile this situation

[glad niche]

Short Version: Single target char thats worse than Last Rite. The End

[torn raft]

[twilit quail]

can charge seal fix this

Im not sure

[drifting quest]

its what

90c ult

same as wulf

but phys rot is like way more ally skills than fire

[twilit quail]

oh god this sucks hmm

is it just perplexing meds angle

[digital scroll]

i see. what is the gilb reliance factor if her kit profile is for single target?

[twilit quail]

fuck me

I didnt take this into account at all

[drifting quest]

massive susceptibility on ult to facilitate her 1 rot gameplay

plus makes it copeable in aoe with her pull

[twilit quail]

cause I operated under p0 6* p5 5*

[drifting quest]

whats the full energy gen on the rot

[fringe dirge]

Without pot 4 he needs 54% Ult gain%

[drifting quest]

2 pan combos 6 skills

just that?

oh

someone did it

[twilit quail]

it's same thresholds as lifeng and pog

with 52.6

[drifting quest]

54 is like 1 seal

[twilit quail]

but how does he hit it realistically

[drifting quest]

• 1 other

[twilit quail]

without inting the actual damage

[fringe dirge]

He'd have to give up set bonus

[twilit quail]

it would have to be some fucked up 2/2 set

which sucks because aethertech is really really good

[drifting quest]

you dont make it with aether yeah

question is how much you lose to make it

[fringe dirge]

If you add another battle skill, it goes to 37%

But one piece maxed out only gives 32% ult gain

[mystic halo]

so

[fringe dirge]

His Pot 4 is kinda mandatory for him to ult every 2 combo skills

Otherwise you're Ulting every 3

[mystic halo]

to restart the cycle

it's the same thing as when you start it

with 2.5 bars and chen combo available

is there a fucked up alternative rotation to do here

with a seal

[drifting quest]

thats what we're looking for

i think

thats what im looking at

[twilit quail]

there is a timeline for 3/4/4 with no p4 + seal I'd just have to dig it up

from somewhere

in the cbt documents

[fringe dirge]

What is seal?

[twilit quail]

I swear it exists

[covert vessel]

will this suffice

[outer ermine]

looks like ard sig issue ngl

[icy ginkgo]

will this work

[midnight stirrup]

just run perlica xaihi ardelia

[drifting quest]

goal is 54%
Any glove is 26.7
seals jumps to 60.1
xir kits jump to 58.7

So seals is suboptimal at least

[daring dove]

Depends if you care about damage or DAMAGE

[drifting quest]

best stats to hit the rot breakpoint are lynx gloves + xir power core

[neat snow]

What stats should I artifice on the hot work set for Laev 🙂

[icy ginkgo]

thats the problem

xaihi dodged 240 pulls

[twilit quail]

this sucks ass holy shit

[midnight stirrup]

💀

[midnight stirrup]

how tf u miss her, I did about 300-400 pulls and got every 5-star maxed

rng be rng ig

[drifting quest]

the question is how much of a drop is 3 aether to 2

since this gives no intensity

[icy ginkgo]

i got 7 avywenna

[twilit quail]

the online document got blown up and I cant find it gdi

fully artificed seal is 33.4

so do you have to just slow down the rot?

[drifting quest]

to keep 3 aether then it's gonna be a 3rd go through

[twilit quail]

or do we have to just bite the bullet and alternate between

4/4/4 and an accelerated 4/4

[drifting quest]

2 aether loses 45 arts intensity but just short of doubles the attack gain via stats
then loses the damage%

it might actually be closer than it looks

to go ult charge

[twilit quail]

full artifice gloves + xiranite core can reach the threshold

[drifting quest]

yeah

[twilit quail]

and you dont actually leap off the cliff in stats

[drifting quest]

lynx gloves has 53% atk via stats
aether gloves has 27.5%

but you lose 8% atk + 8-24% phys from 3p aether

and the 45 arts intensity

its hard to sim how many extra ults you'd get in a fight though

[twilit quail]

I think that's still better than staggering like this

in the long term

[drifting quest]

its definitely better qol wise

[twilit quail]

and almost certainly easier to pilot

[drifting quest]

i just dont know if we're gonna see fights actually going to go long enough

its the fucking

[twilit quail]

yeah

[drifting quest]

laev charge set issue

exactly

more qol, theoretically more damage in long fights

but is that actually gonna happen

[sterile herald]

is max arts intensity ardelia worth anything

[drifting quest]

not worth the ult charge gain loss and xiranite buff

but you dont have much uptime on her actual corrosion

[sterile herald]

i see

[fringe dirge]

If Panda's having this much trouble with ult charge, is he even worth running before P4?

[drifting quest]

you consume it half the time for vuln

i mean yeah probably

endmin needs a lot and the rot is even worse than pre p4 dapan

lmao

[sterile herald]

i mean if you were to build arts intensity and then just not consume it for vuln

i guess it still doesnt last long

oh well

i need a copy of lifeng bad

[drifting quest]

honestly full arts intensity over ult charge 4th might be the angle too yeah

how diluted is it post 100

53 intensity extra

[daring dove]

Im really hoping to get her P5 at some point, really interested in how helpful the extra 4 second of corrosion is.

[sterile herald]

im saying

ive got P3 already...

[kindred sorrel]

same

i'll have her p4 in ~30 pulls

from standard banner selector

[sterile herald]

tf

how many standard pulls did u do

im f2p ive only done the base ones given 😭

[kindred sorrel]

im not f2p

[torn raft]

Standard selector

[sterile herald]

buying pulls for standard banner?!

[torn raft]

[sterile herald]

crazy work

[kindred sorrel]

no, i just use whatever orundums i get on standard

[twilit quail]

I think it might just have to be 2/2 for rotational consistency alone, but I will ask some other folks about this

[kindred sorrel]

because i max potted my laevatain

[twilit quail]

mannnn this sucks

[daring dove]

P3 for a F2P is a lot of 50/50’s lost.

[sterile herald]

its actually

only 1

and i lost it to pog

:P

all 3 of these are from standard

[kindred sorrel]

we must maintain the charge set agenda

[sterile herald]

none from limited

[drifting quest]

how big is the fall off from arts intensity post 100

thinking along the lines of just

hot works power bank 4th pre p4

fuck the ult lineup consistency get more out of each one you do

[twilit quail]

if you can't do two fully stacked crushes the intensity is going to lose value, right

so like

is yinglung actually better now?

[cedar lava]

what do people like about ardelia?

[sterile herald]

arts susceptability

[kindred sorrel]

consistent buffs/debuffs

[drifting quest]

is yinglung even more

it doesnt buff the crush does it

its a 600% mult or whatnot only

same logic as endmin

[frozen tide]

When i checked electrification arts damage amplified it went from 0.5 percent increase per arts intensity to 0.333333...(1/3)

[twilit quail]

the maths on this is really fucking annoying

[drifting quest]

if you're giving up on his crush damage with intensity i dont see why you wouldnt want it to be like

just another swordmancer bot i guess

[twilit quail]

because when we have 9/9/9 exemplar 90/90

yinglung is actually better

than aethertech

[daring dove]

She’s arguably the best character in the game rn, there’s not much not to like. Excellent sustain / solid buffs.

[drifting quest]

is it really

huh

[twilit quail]

yeah

3-4%

with max artificing

[drifting quest]

ok thats more easy to parse

[twilit quail]

and when we dont have the p4 and we might have to

this is a mess

[drifting quest]

might as well assume an average amount of rots for fights

for convenience

[frozen tide]

I dislike that she takes my last rites sp and doesn't give any back

😠

[drifting quest]

like the math is only really mattering for recrisis anyway

i think its fair with thati n mind to have a strict cutoff

[twilit quail]

I dont know if we should focus on getting two stakced crushes per breach and have that as the guiding principle

or if we should

hm

[drifting quest]

its physical whats another rotation based on nuance for the pile

[neat snow]

Hello guys 🙂 what stats should I artifice on Laev hot work set or should I not bother with it

[drifting quest]

wait 2-4 weeks

till we have monument

[frozen tide]

Whats bis comp for ember

I rly wanna use her

Shes so cool

[kindred sorrel]

bis comp for ember is to not use her, hope it helps

[outer ermine]

gated by ard pots its so over

[twilit quail]

the question is now

is da pan better than endmin if he can only do 4/8 every other rotation

this is so shit

[drifting quest]

Isnt endmin rots

Even worse

[frozen tide]

Yeah

Endmin has no sp recovery i think

[twilit quail]

off the back of lifeng endmin can do a 4/4 consistently that is a little slower than da pan's 4/8

[willow jay]

How can we know which weapon is who's signature weapon.
Any idea

[twilit quail]

but because of the sig that 4 is doing a lot of damage

[cedar lava]

until u reach endgame, just read through one or two characters u like and see how well they would work with each other.

[frozen tide]

I wanna play ember and yvonne

[fringe dirge]

Ember can kinda work like a less reliable Chen that heals

[frozen tide]

They are so cool

I should play ember yvonne avywnna and gilberta

[kindred sorrel]

play whatever you want, but i'd ask in #team-build then

[twilit quail]

I really dont know if I can be bothered to math this so Im going to put this to the side for now

[outer ermine]

theres a recommended button on the bottom when u select wp

[drifting quest]

rec button is just a usage tracker

not necessarily bis gear

[shy bone]

What should i artifice for like maximum dps for avywennna

[willow jay]

😊 thanks

[outer ermine]

they just need to know sig its fine

[shy bone]

Will, electro dps or combo skill dps?

[daring dove]

I math it for Panda sucks

[cedar lava]

then try combinating it with xaihi maybe, buffs ice damage and gives good heals

[shy bone]

Not too keen on like will conversion numbers

[twilit quail]

it might just have to be the fucked up 2/2 set for da pan

for comfort

and then if you need more damage

just eyeball that shit

OH THIS IS GLORPSHIT

[frozen tide]

Never thought abt it like that but ig you can stick ember into anything elemental since she doesn't take or apply

She just becomes a mid af healer

[daring dove]

Her problem is in most comps she’s a worst Ardelia.

[fringe dirge]

I don't like how if I'm ulting every 3rd rotation on Pan, my Alesh is ulting every other rotation

[drifting quest]

if you're going 2/2 there might be better gear slot choices

[fringe dirge]

Unless I had P4 Alesh, then I could ult every cycle

[drifting quest]

to just rainbow it

like yinglung i think is generic phys%

same stats otherwise

[fringe dirge]

Is the phys% better than the arts intensity tho

[drifting quest]

this is for body

its like

double the amount of dmg% but only during stagger window

or have it apply 24/7

38.4 % vs staggered or 14.9% phys%

equal str equal will

[twilit quail]

I think off surface level maths there are two brackets here

or rather

3 different sets in total if we wanted to be really rigorous

dear god

[fringe dirge]

I've been running the stagger damage one

[drifting quest]

stagger damage one is better normally because you activate 3p aethertech

[bold rose]

I know the theory is Fangyi being elec but any chance she might be nature

[drifting quest]

this is assuming you're forcing the ult breakpoint and then atp with no set you can consider any piece for the armour / 2nd kit

[drifting quest]

chance? yes
likely? no
maybe some flavour

[twilit quail]

without aethertech bonus dmg% isnt diluted as much

[drifting quest]

POG SIG STOCKS ARE BACK

[twilit quail]

and if we dont have pog sig

yeah

that's what I was thinking

and that is a problem

because I dont want to think about that

[drifting quest]

you could just give a generic ymmv

[bold rose]

how much does Gil need her sig
bc I'm having to focus on LR sig rn

[drifting quest]

statement about it

6 more paragraphs about nuance to physical page

[twilit quail]

it's time to go to 8px font

[abstract fractal]

why does this say BATK seq 1 and 2 specifically in Laev battle skill

is it affected by batk buff from her sig?

[drifting quest]

yes

the multiplier is on ult levels
the damage type is basic attack damage

[abstract fractal]

I'm assuming last hit doesn't benefit from the weapon buff

[torn raft]

Wait battle skill is buffed by sig weap?

[drifting quest]

battle skill is skill damage

oh

if you're looking at prydwen its like wrong

iirc

the batk seq is on ult

the eskill is on skill

[tight haven]

its incorrect, its not batk its battle skill

[sterile patrol]

this is what it has in game

But it is not basic attack damage

[tight haven]

yea its literally just a misprint

[drifting quest]

oh

translation gap then

[torn raft]

[bitter cove]

enlight me
does that mean both ult dmg bonus and BA dmg bonus count toward her ultbasicattack?

[sterile patrol]

some calcs probably have forgeborn buffing bskills

[drifting quest]

endfield is done in house by gryphline now

[tight haven]

nope only batk

[tight haven]

lmfao

[drifting quest]

no ult only basic

[bitter cove]

i see thanks

[tight haven]

this also means link does nothing for laev ult

it just consumes it

[sterile patrol]

society if link 1.2x'd all the ult basics

[drifting quest]

the akekuri brick

[tight haven]

fr.

[drifting quest]

give her back her 300sp in exchange

[twilit quail]

yeah I cant think of a better way to put it than

just do the maths yourself

[frozen tide]

Chudkekuri

[twilit quail]

https://tenor.com/view/glorpshit-this-is-glorpshit-ahhambaga-gnarp-gnarp-gnarp-gif-13113175027861219961

[tight haven]

is the diff between thermite/sig that significant anyway

i cant imagine theres like a 10% dpr gap here

[twilit quail]

there is

[tight haven]

bruh

[twilit quail]

and the shorter the timeline is

the better thermite is comparatively

(it's better even if you started combat with both fully stacked somehow)

[drifting quest]

therm should scale even better with pots too

[twilit quail]

yep

[drifting quest]

and has more accessible pots

[twilit quail]

because pog's bumass weapon has 5 stacks

it needs to gather

[tight haven]

love pogs sig pretending he does damage

no ❤️

[twilit quail]

I havent seen any document or video

outside of bilibili upload

talking about how to actually build this char

and it's like

MAN

[tight haven]

the most cooking i did with pog in cbt was the xiranite build

[twilit quail]

and there's still fucking fortmaker to think about

[terse furnace]

Porbably a consequence of Laevatain being the popular thing rn

[tight haven]

premium phys is just rly expensive

[drifting quest]

does someone have the sheet with all the energy values

i dont want to remake it myself

[tight haven]

pog + lifeng is a hard ask this early on

[drifting quest]

for stuff like yvonne/laev extra energy

and the others

[fringe dirge]

I feel broke playing Phys with Da Pan, Estella, Alesh, Chen

No pog or lifeng

[tight haven]

thats not even phys

LOL

thats shatter

[scenic thorn]

hi do all battle/combo skill provide the same amount of ultimate energy

[terse furnace]

I will get Pog and Gilb in the next banner, trust

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[twilit quail]

the curve is so fucked up

with physical

[scenic thorn]

D:

[twilit quail]

early on youre like WOOHOO YIPPEE CRUSH

and then later it's

[outer ermine]

yall can have mine fr

[twilit quail]

what do you mean i have to pump lifeng to 90/90?

[dire nymph]

i need a p5 pan so bad

[dire nymph]

what

[terse furnace]

Tfw you realize Phys is a 4x DPS comp

[tight haven]

is this still xiranite lifeng

[twilit quail]

his late game personal damage is incredible

[drifting quest]

clueless

[fringe dirge]

I need Pan at least p4 and Alesh P4

[frozen tide]

No

[twilit quail]

even on slave set

[fringe dirge]

These ult requirements are crazy

[twilit quail]

he is still a considerable portion of the team's damage

[tight haven]

or are you doing the hot swap to lifeng for finisher tech

[scenic thorn]

is there i can find specific values

[twilit quail]

even with a vile gear stat spread

[fringe dirge]

Why the fuck is Alesh a 100 ult cost vanguard

[twilit quail]

he can do around 20%

[scenic thorn]

+anywhere*

[terse furnace]

why does Alesh have dogshit Cryo app

[twilit quail]

and if you want to kill in 1 rot

he is going on swordmancer

and he does

so much damage

[tight haven]

hell yeah

[dire nymph]

is charge rate worth considering on lifeng or do you just not hit anything

[twilit quail]

for 4/8 da pan you do really want charge

if you have lifeng p4(xd)

[fringe dirge]

Alesh has great Cryo app if you can ult every cycle 👍

[twilit quail]

you can use an alternate set

that does significantly more damage

[dire nymph]

yeah im on swordmancer with charge chest

[bold rose]

I literally have all the usable 6* yet ignored all of them bc busy building Laev team
LR, Gil, Pog, Lifeng

[dire nymph]

picked up pog lifeng pan’s sigs

[twilit quail]

p0 lifeng also has a 2/2 set

that is optimal in some situations

despite it being

[dire nymph]

but i swapped to fortmaker

[twilit quail]

really cringe

[frozen tide]

Exceptions should be stated in talent description

[scenic thorn]

thank you verh much :D

[dire nymph]

i need the yvonne banner to hit so i can do pulls for da pan

[frozen tide]

Wouldn't p5 rite be able to 1 cycle ult

🤔

[mystic halo]

what the fuck happened to da pan today

[frozen tide]

Cause its like 230 energy requirement

And 2 ba combo skill is 137 with 3 cryo 152 with 4 cryo stack

[drifting quest]

the ult charge req assumed p5

smile

[dry mason]

[mystic halo]

ahhh

that would do it

[drifting quest]

now there's what

5 da pan sets

[mystic halo]

excellent

[drifting quest]

endmin is maybe better now too pre p5

[terse furnace]

I got Da Pan P5 yesterday

I'm living it up rn

[drifting quest]

oh right

[terse furnace]

Still missing Pog

[drifting quest]

er calcing is gonna be impossible man

making a plug and play calculator at least

[dawn patrol]

i did it 4k atk with no atk% yippee

[tight haven]

da pan p5 is annoying asf

theres no timer for that 45s cd

[terse furnace]

In the optimal rotation (yesterday), you only need to use his battle x2 stack once anyways, the second cast can be 1 stack

[kindred sorrel]

i have p0 pog and p1 lifeng, but no resources to build a phys team

because i went all in on laeva

[dire nymph]

do people have multiple 90/90 on the phys team yet

im stuck on 80 i feel like i fucked up my resources

[tender zephyr]

fk this boss so i just have to time stagger when she spread that wings

[terse furnace]

[dire wind]

what a choice of music

[tender zephyr]

and she will no longer do time waste attack

[dire nymph]

i thought the battlepass was enough man

[green ibex]

wings?

[dire nymph]

[green ibex]

also i just made some guy download endfield

[tender zephyr]

this one, she will fly and dive 3x which waste like 15-20 seconds i think

or much more

[dire wind]

the diving one wasnt an issue for me it was the one where she goes up and stays there for 20 seconds raining on you

[drifting quest]

Is Alesh combat talent 8 or 12 ultimate energy if he applies the solidification

wording isnt clear

/ prydwen has different text entirely

[twilit quail]

show me the english ingame text

I just closed my game

[drifting quest]

this would imply to me its 12

4 base > if he does it 8 more to 12

[old salmon]

i mean it says additional 8

so i'd assume it be in addition

[mystic halo]

that would be correct

Im pretty sure

[drifting quest]

but prydwen says it's doubled

[twilit quail]

yep

what

[drifting quest]

so 4 base and then 8 if he does it

After Solidification or Originium Crystals are applied to a nearby enemy, Alesh gains 3/4 Ultimate Energy. If the Solidification is applied by Alesh, double the amount of Ultimate Energy gained. Effect can only trigger once every 3s.

[twilit quail]

huh?

is this from cbt or something

[drifting quest]

i dont know

i dont know if it was 4 + 4

or if it was just written like that

and im not building alesh to test

[sterile patrol]

this was from cbt2 yea, new one is base+ extra

[drifting quest]

ok

as assumed

[lyric stream]

Does anyone know how damage buffs stack? Or is it all cumulative on top of your base atk and scalings

[sterile herald]

i want to play physical team but instead i ended up with P1 lae and P3 ardelia and no lifeng

not happy.

[echo crown]

Since Ember can sustain is there anyone better than ardelia for my comp, or are her buffs still worth using 2 sustains?

[drifting quest]

so

[sterile herald]

hm

[drifting quest]

if you want to use ember like this is absolutely mandatory will not budge
drop ardelia for akekuri

just know she's a brick

[sterile patrol]

all DMG% is grouped together if you mean DMG%, then multiplied with the rest of the formula

[drifting quest]

are they additive or multiplicative

i forgot to look into that

[lyric stream]

Oh did they release the formula

[sterile patrol]

DMG% is additive with eachother

[lyric stream]

Where

[drifting quest]

yeah makes sense

[mystic halo]

it's similar to ww

[echo crown]

Nuh uh I'm crazy I'll make it work

[sterile patrol]

No its been known since cbt2 just not documented apart from one thing i saw recently

[drifting quest]

(ember is literally there so you dont have to press the dodge key)

thats it

a willful choice to take a finger off the dodge key

[sterile herald]

whats the highest atk you can get on lae no food outside of combat

like max gear max essence no potentials etc

im at about 4900 and im wondering how much longer this road is

[torn raft]

Is arts dmg and heat dmg bonuses additive or multiplicative with each othee?

[sterile patrol]

additive

[torn raft]

I assumed different types is mult but not sure

Was wondering if it's just like poe2

Then is additive

Ty

[sterile patrol]

poe

cursed game

[torn raft]

I played beta release then quit after i died and lost my 5 days of grinding

1 portal clownery that they fixed eventually

[steep fable]

are you supposed to run lynx on ardelia if antal is running xanirite?

for lae team

[sterile herald]

two xiranite is fine i think

if you dont need the healing theres no point in a healing set

dodge more

[drifting quest]

did i miss anything

i dread trying to actually make a usable frontend for this

[cinder oxide]

I need help with a good Ard Chen Pog Pan rotation

Anyone has alr plotted one out for bosses?

[drifting quest]

there's like

15

i wish i was joking with that

[silent hound]

what's Akekuri Link exact amp number? which dmg category does it belong to?

[drifting quest]

should be 20% more on what consumes it

it can be hard to actually line up akekuri links though

[sterile patrol]

Unique multiplier that has diminishing returns on stacking it
1.3 to bskills 1.2 to ults

[drifting quest]

gg

[silent hound]

thank you

[twilit quail]

for akekuri the only good user is like

LR

but that comp is a little... not quite there

it is actually slightly better than perlica sometimes though

[silent hound]

does she work with yvonne? would link affect the entire ult of yvonne?

[drifting quest]

no yvonne has the same issues as laev with link

the ultimate cast consumes the link but does no damage

[sterile patrol]

Transformation Ults consume Link and throw it into the trash

[atomic kraken]

guys is it worth to upgrade wulfgard to the max or what?

[drifting quest]

not particularly right now

[atomic kraken]

not even for lae team?

[drifting quest]

his damage isn't insanely impressive relative to the cost, and using him for pure infliction tends to work out

you can do it if you want to, hoping to have more accurate energy breakpoints out soon

i suppose i could stop to do that real quick

[atomic kraken]

hmm

kinda have abundance of resources doing nothing

[soft osprey]

gotta float like a butterfly to maximize distance

and phase through small objects

[torn raft]

Man there is a lot of misinfo lmao

Some1 posted a guide where it shows to max basic atk on support wulfgard

[soft osprey]

profit

[sterile patrol]

should you even max anything on support wulfgard

apart from combo ig

[torn raft]

I dunno for blue tetrahedrons shouldnt hurt that much

I thought bskill was worth it cause he's my heat applicator atm lol

[atomic kraken]

have him like this atm

he does like 10k occassionally, not that great tbh xd

[torn raft]

Im torn on investing into ake at this point since i believe there's a good chance she gets replaced anyways

And i really just want that 2nd team lol

[atomic kraken]

vanguard diff ig

[mortal wolf]

Do we have number comparisons between JET and Cohesive for Avywenna?

Trying to decide whether to grab JET for Avy despite having Cohesive, or Detonation Unit for supports

[twilit quail]

it's like a 30% performanec increase at 90/90

for avy

a little less if lower in level

[mortal wolf]

damn that's huge

I guess JET?

[twilit quail]

hold off

cause avy might just be replaced soon

for electric

[mortal wolf]

o idc about that I just like Avy

Just want to know if JET or Det Unit is more worth cause

I can only really get one

LMAO

[sterile patrol]

If you really like Avy JET is a very large boost for her

Deto is replaceable

[twilit quail]

det unit is not that good on current electric

[mortal wolf]

Okay thank you mr guoba

[mortal wolf]

Antal on Laeva or Perlica on Avy could use it was my thought

But if its replaceable then I'll just go grab JET

[sterile patrol]

They have 5* alternatives that work great but Cohesive vs JET is pretty damn rough

[twilit quail]

it's much better on fire than electric

det unit

[mortal wolf]

Ah well grabbed JET

Thanks

[drifting quest]

current guess is arclight combo is 5sp instead of 10

or no

less

like 4.5?

[ocean hawk]

anyone knew last rite team rotation ?

[drifting quest]

does arclight just get half the energy in general

no