theorycrafting

[hidden fjord]

idk js thinking of which team to build after electric LOL

[ocean hawk]

eh why ?

[rare rover]

Lord

[hidden fjord]

lowk might do physical in case i lose my 50/50 to yvonne

[dry kindle]

Oh reminds me

[sly nymph]

fortmaker better in every way including drip

[dry kindle]

I need to start buying valley gifts

[drifting quest]

Did you put enough resources into lr to hit the 750k+ damage range?

Are you fighting fraudgn?

If both are yes then last rite

[dry kindle]

Fml

[sudden lichen]

reading all the character profile entries and voice lines

[twilit quail]

because of recent developments with intensity pog

[drifting quest]

If either are no then depends what phys

[civic wolf]

Oh

[twilit quail]

both thermite cutter and duped fortmaker

are very possibly better

[civic wolf]

so I finally read how Snowshine works and

[sly nymph]

dont do physical it eats all ur resources fr

[dry kindle]

I'm just waiting for pog to somehow get completely replaced by tangtang

[dire nymph]

wtf

[ocean hawk]

how big is it vs the sig, how much % (idc about the drip)

[civic wolf]

oh god does this mean that Yvonne Xaihi Snowshine Ake completely relies on timing Snowshine to an enemy attack?

[drifting quest]

[hidden fjord]

i dont even have her built 😭

[hidden fjord]

🥶 physical without the 6 stars

[drifting quest]

[sudden lichen]

why would you be using ake with yvonne now that she changed

[dry kindle]

Just chen solo

[drifting quest]

Pick the brick that looks prettiest then

[hidden fjord]

lol he did it before the boss nerf

[sly nymph]

it just lets you reach ult gen breakpoint easily and has arts intensity whxih increases breach dmg taken
whereas sig has neither of those stats

[civic wolf]

"Im broke and im trying to save up on resources on getting a Yvonne team running'

[hidden fjord]

i got all of lr teammates but budget physical nuke 🙏

[sudden lichen]

what about welfare ardelia

[civic wolf]

I dont want to deal with leveling another level 60 dude 😭

[twilit quail]

basically

[twilit quail]

the sig has personal dmg(useless)

[dry kindle]

Have fun

[twilit quail]

and +phys dmg%(diluted significantly, takes a while to stack up)

[sly nymph]

i like sig in overworld because i never get to breach (cope)

[dry kindle]

I swear if there's no tp in dijang next update

I'm jumping out a window

[ocean hawk]

huh, I mean, did the gear set he use with that sword is different from I use (green gear just for ult regen)

[twilit quail]

making it disappointing compared to thermite cutter(faster stack, more gains from buffs in vast majority of situations, doesn't even lose that much personal damage)

[sudden lichen]

anyway yeah, never use ake battle skill and it should be fine

[fading fog]

didn't expect I'd get this far in like 2 days

[sudden lichen]

you need to rely on snowshine parry though ye, have fun

[twilit quail]

and fortmaker(massive intensity stick, patches up ult charge rate which enables alternative gearing)

[sudden lichen]

I really want yvonne 🥹

[sly nymph]

you use hot work

[twilit quail]

it can provide 37% ult charge with lv9 line 2

[civic wolf]

so is this the part where i have to reluctantly invest on Flourite

[sudden lichen]

yuck no please

[ocean hawk]

why hot work on phys team, elaborate

[twilit quail]

with fortmaker you can run this set

[civic wolf]

i mean what other option i do have?

[twilit quail]

and have massive intensity while keeping smooth rotation for his ult

[sly nymph]

arts intensity increases breach debuff

[sudden lichen]

ardelia is a main slot for yvonne team

[ocean hawk]

ah

[sly nymph]

or you can use hot work with sig if you use perplexing medication

[civic wolf]

how? she has no Nature infliction?

[ocean hawk]

well, im one of the player that fucked up then

[dire nymph]

is phys the most expensive team investment wise

[twilit quail]

currently, the strongest rotations for physical both revolve around pog doing a 4-stacked breach first

[ocean hawk]

[sudden lichen]

well she's not here for infliction, she has healing, and severe vuln

[twilit quail]

ok, look

it's not that bad

and there is still a good set you can use

you ujst have to artifice

[dry kindle]

Yes

3 dps

[twilit quail]

or if you are going into something with ult stocked you can still max intensity

[dire nymph]

no wonder my resources are fucked to oblivion

[sudden lichen]

regardless of who, you'll be needing to use snowshine parry to save on sp

[ocean hawk]

I mean, it is that bad

[dire nymph]

thought bp would carry my resources enough

[sly nymph]

i use it with yinlung in overworld to farm snails (cope)

[twilit quail]

it's really unfortunate

for the people who invested into the weapon pull

[hidden fjord]

physical without lifena nd pog?

[twilit quail]

but it is also really funny

[twilit quail]

and I want to laugh at least a little about it at your expense

[dry kindle]

Everyone should ask hg to add trade post in their survey answers

[sly nymph]

i paid irl money but i got it early so i have 30 pulls left over

[ocean hawk]

[sly nymph]

whatever its fine

[twilit quail]

so, this team is trying to play 4/4/4 currently

where we can fit all 4 members' ults

[ocean hawk]

what is 4 4 4

[twilit quail]

and two fully stacked da pan crushes into one rotation after pog gets his fully stacked breach

[ocean hawk]

huh, how

i mean

[blazing lake]

https://tenor.com/view/tm-opera-o-tm-opera-cro-opebird-tm-opera-bird-death-note-gif-10203095709512645273

[ocean hawk]

charging the vulnr

[twilit quail]

uhh

[sly nymph]

lifeng ult

[twilit quail]

what pot is da pan

[ocean hawk]

in 1 rot is too fast

[dire nymph]

how reliant is this on p5 chen and p5 pan respectively

[ocean hawk]

2 full dapan

[twilit quail]

chen pot is unnecessary

works at p0

[ocean hawk]

ah, lifeng ult gave 2 ?

[dire nymph]

was trying some runs and p5 pan feels so necessary for the 1st rotation

[twilit quail]

without dapan p5 you will lose 1 stack on the breach and that is the best you can get unfortunately

[hidden fjord]

the endmin physical team isnt expensive right? im thinking of building it since i dont have lr weapon

[twilit quail]

but it's still better rotation than alternatives

[dire nymph]

so i'll just do 3 vuln on the breach?

[dry kindle]

I can't wait to never use these because of tcred issues

[sly nymph]

shatter isnt
phys is most expensive team in the game

[twilit quail]

yeah 3/4/4 is the best you can manage without the p5

[dire nymph]

hope i get spooked

[twilit quail]

trying to force 4/4/4 is actually a loss of dmg overall

[hidden fjord]

what abt shatter compared to lr without wep

[ocean hawk]

before im going too far, what is 4/4/4

I dont understand that bit

[twilit quail]

4 stacked pog breach, 4 stacked da pan combo x2

[sly nymph]

i think lr without weapon is unplayable

somebody can correct me tho

[ocean hawk]

and that in 1 rotation ?

[twilit quail]

the rotation relies on some charge rate thresholds

[ocean hawk]

WHAT

[twilit quail]

to have all 4 ults in every rotation

cause da pan ult is 2 stack

lifeng ult is 2 stack

and if you cant do them consistently it goes to shit

[ocean hawk]

so uhh,

[twilit quail]

speaking strictly, pog ult is not actually necessary

[ocean hawk]

did u have infographic or docs, or smth so I can have it as a note

[twilit quail]

so he can be a bit below his threshold and be fine

[ocean hawk]

for that build

[dire nymph]

theres the sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W0FL8l3UOerwfS4Y5D2yHdJlXadz_vmmBSND6zUyn-8/htmlview?gid=1488927062&pru=AAABnD3G4Xg*23Z2m93mYVI0OzUwWO8BFQ#gid=1488927062

[twilit quail]

there is information on it in my document which is pinned in team guides

[ocean hawk]

ah

thanks

[twilit quail]

and a sample rotation for it is as follows

whiff autos prepull > start rotation with about 2.5 bars

Lifeng skill > chen combo
dapan skill > pog ult > pog skill
pog combo(3 or 4) > lifeng combo(if you have da pan p5 his combo will activate here first, just wait for it to expire)
chen ult > chen skill & combo
da pan ult > combo(4)

lifeng skill > combo > ult
da pan skill > chen combo > panda combo(4) > pog combo

[ocean hawk]

aight

noted

eh? whiff autos prepull?

[twilit quail]

this is for like bosses

where you get to advance your auto chain

[dry kindle]

Its playable but lol lmao damage loss

[dire nymph]

is rhodagn the only one u can prepull

[twilit quail]

before you actually aggro the enemy

if you cant

just wait a bit for sp

or stagger the early few pieces

and it works fine

just only press pog skill for breach when you are ready to progress with the rest

[ocean hawk]

still didnt understand the "prepull" term

[dry kindle]

Umbral starting in combat jumpscare

[twilit quail]

the act of pulling is entering combat

and aggroing the enemy

with this rotation, if possible

[ocean hawk]

ah

[twilit quail]

you should start whiffing autos before the enemy becomes hittable

and start with a final strike as soon as possible

[ocean hawk]

ok what is the autos part

[twilit quail]

basic attack chain

which op you control for doing this is up to you, some like pog some like chen

[ocean hawk]

im sorry coz I dont know many terms

hmmm

before I fix my phys team, I was planning to build lae team for the umbral event or smth

is the phys team doable on that mode

replacing dapan with ardelia

[dry kindle]

Just do it with highest sp unit

[ocean hawk]

eh ?

[twilit quail]

and to avoid potential troubles with a currently existing combo order bug, you should arrange the team so that pog is in slot 1, and that da pan is after lifeng

I dont know of any other team that has to deal with this bug

but ✨ physical ✨

[ocean hawk]

aight

so

pog, chen, lifeng, dapan ?

[twilit quail]

that works

[ocean hawk]

or chen on 4th ?

[twilit quail]

either is ok

[dry kindle]

endmin 20sp
wulfgard 18
arclight 17
perlica 15
chen 18
ember 28
xaihi 15
antal 15
avyw 19
gilb 16
lifeng 21
snowshine 25
laev basic 20
laev ult 22
yvonne 17
ardel 18
pogra 20
dapan 21
akekuri 19
last rite 30
catcher 25
estella 19
fluorite 15
alesh 19

[ocean hawk]

can u elaborate why highest sp unit for umbral

[twilit quail]

as for how it's going to work in umbral where you start with 0 ult energy and no consumables

[ocean hawk]

ah

[twilit quail]

I think everyone apart from lae is just going to get cancer

LMAO

and, uh, I dont really know how to reconcile it

with what we have available

we might have to use some fucked up 2/2 set on lifeng

[dry kindle]

Wut

[twilit quail]

that forsakes 3 set piece bonus

[ocean hawk]

uh

[twilit quail]

which is ANOTHER GEARING CHANGE

and Im tired of that

[ocean hawk]

well, the event is permanent right ?

[twilit quail]

I hope it doesnt get to that stage

[ocean hawk]

I dont think less than 2 week is enough to fully build my lae team

since the progression for that team is 20% ish i think ?

[twilit quail]

it wasnt very hard

last time

so you will be able to get all the rewards with phys almost certainly

it will just be a bit clunky

prep a charge set for lifeng

and it should be ok

[dry kindle]

You have 10 minutes to hit

Just pray AI doesn't die

[ocean hawk]

so for umbral, which op i replace with ardelia

on phys

[midnight stirrup]

Will umbral be aoe or st

[dry kindle]

99% aoe

[ocean hawk]

so lae is a must ?

i mean

for player that doesnt min max things

[midnight stirrup]

Welp

Might have to replace Ardelia with Gilberta in my LR team

Although, my Laev already 80/80

[wild sparrow]

if you don't minmax nothing is a must

[civic wolf]

wait so why do people suggesest snowshine over Estelle for Yvonne teams? is it entirely because of the forced Solidifation on ult 😭

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt part of her kit want solidification

So yea probably

[ocean hawk]

lets change the word to preferable

since umbral is aoe, isnt phys team will have hard time

[midnight stirrup]

You can probably still clear it

Itll just be annoying

[wild sparrow]

i m ean pog and lifeng can still group

so it's not gonna be super terrible

[dry kindle]

It doesn't matter

[midnight stirrup]

Just pull for Gilbert

[dry kindle]

You have 10 minutes

Just punch them better

[midnight stirrup]

10 minutes long af

What u need 10 min for

How does this event work

[ocean hawk]

bro said "just punch them better"

its not wrong

its just

[dry kindle]

Funny challenge stages

[ocean hawk]

[dry kindle]

10 minutes no tacticals

Just hit till they die

[midnight stirrup]

Sworce always straight to the point and I respect that

Just punch them

Or be punched

[dire nymph]

so just dodge

[twilit quail]

kill them before your team ai dies magically

[midnight stirrup]

Hmmm

[dry kindle]

And pray AI doesn't die

Because yeah no tacticals

[ocean hawk]

well, isnt that the aim of the game

[twilit quail]

my ai eyja died while farming essence node today

[dry kindle]

AI will fucking die

[twilit quail]

somehow

[ocean hawk]

punching the bad guy

[twilit quail]

so anything could happen

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt that mean you want ur supports build

Beyond 60

Kinda expensive rn but yaknow

[dry kindle]

Yeah but also where tcreds

[ocean hawk]

anyway, did u have similar docs for lae team too ?

[dry kindle]

💀

[midnight stirrup]

Just whale oongaboonga

[twilit quail]

fire is significantly more straightforward currently if we dont delve into speedrunning voodoo magicks

I have a page on it as well

but it's less exhaustive

[ocean hawk]

can I get the link to that docs too

so I can bookmarked it

[twilit quail]

it's the same one linked to you earlier

just on different tab

[ocean hawk]

AH

thankyou again

[dry kindle]

Day is good so far

[twilit quail]

np

[dry kindle]

Haven't seen any slab recs

[twilit quail]

day is good so far, physical gear hasnt changed yet...

[dry kindle]

We can change that

[ocean hawk]

and more question

for the gear that I've already artificed

just keep it right ?

[twilit quail]

did you artifice charge rate

you must have right

[ocean hawk]

the old one ? yeah

[twilit quail]

uhhhhhhh

[ocean hawk]

i mean I ask for the old one

[twilit quail]

keep chest and hands

replace kits

I think

or replace only 1 kit

with hot work bank

[ocean hawk]

I mean I dont mind redoing the whole gear

[dry kindle]

Oh right does anyone have dps diff on tide vs redeemer laev

[twilit quail]

since you have sig

[ocean hawk]

its just "Take Time™"

[twilit quail]

you can use this

or just only switch one of the kits

and it will be mostly alright

[ocean hawk]

so we didnt gonna use any set

just pushing the arts stat

[twilit quail]

you can take hot work if you want to, still

if you think you can kill fast enough

[vagrant sparrow]

since i already got laev essence do i just spend all my wulingers money on artificing items?

[twilit quail]

but it's this set

or hot work

those are your two options

[dry kindle]

If you don't need any other wuling essences yeah

[twilit quail]

if you want to be more comfy, replace only 1 kit

actually wait hang on

let me maths something

[ocean hawk]

so uh

I have the sword u recommend

[dry kindle]

Evil spreadsheet

[vagrant sparrow]

cool

[ocean hawk]

but its p0

nvm its p1

eh

3

[twilit quail]

are your kits max artificed?

the two xiranite kits

I think yes?

[ocean hawk]

the old one ?

not fully all stat

[twilit quail]

so they are giving like 31% or so?

only caring about charge rate here

[quartz flame]

Fortmaker is 5 star so it’s pretty likely to show up for cheap in arsenal store

[ocean hawk]

oh yeah

both maxed

[twilit quail]

ok ok

[dry kindle]

No quotas tho

[twilit quail]

same for the hands?

[ocean hawk]

i got 100% total

hands -1

[twilit quail]

with hands + kit charge rate artificed you should have enough charge for comfy rotation

[ocean hawk]

its on 2 bar

[quartz flame]

I bought 2 today for 400 each

[twilit quail]

so you should use

xiranite chest + hands & 1 kit you already have

1 hot work powerbank

and that is a good middle point for sig

[ocean hawk]

if I want to stay sig, I use the kit I have rn with small change

but I want to change to fortmaker I use the top set on the sheets ?

[fringe dirge]

How long do arts inflictions and vuln stacks last?

And I'm assuming their durations reset every application?

[quartz flame]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen vuln expire

[twilit quail]

with fortmaker take this one with the gloves you already have artificed

[quartz flame]

Except on triag phase change

[ocean hawk]

noted

[twilit quail]

and that should cover everything

...for now

[dire nymph]

cant wait for build changes today

[ocean hawk]

😭

[boreal siren]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[twilit quail]

would you like to sign up for a mailing list

if physical changes again

LOL

[dire nymph]

pls

[twilit quail]

I cant believe this shit

[ocean hawk]

my gmail will have that +99 red dot

[fringe dirge]

Did Pan build change today

[twilit quail]

no we're still on aethertech

HOWEVER

we have discovered

that at lv90 on everything max artifice, and the same goes for the other two damage characters on the team

yinglung is a TINY bit better

if you arent there dont bother

[fringe dirge]

Interesting

[ocean hawk]

which yinglung tho

[sly nymph]

why does gooba recommend aethertech over hot work

[ocean hawk]

coz maybe I only need to change a few things

[fringe dirge]

I woulda assumed since arts reaction scales with level, 90 would make aethertech better

[ocean hawk]

ah nvm it needs lvl 90

[fringe dirge]

I'm still not understanding the ult regen breakpoint

[twilit quail]

just a bit outdated I would assume

it's understandable

[fringe dirge]

Does having the one piece of Xiranite for ult regen mean he can ult every 2 cycles?

[dire nymph]

u only need these two for fortmaker yeah

[twilit quail]

for da pan?

[fringe dirge]

Yeah Da Pan

[twilit quail]

with the one piece he can ult once every full cycle

[fringe dirge]

Is that using 1 Pan Battle skill?

[wild sparrow]

why exactly are people saying artificing is bad rn? is it because we don't have a lot of good match options?

[twilit quail]

he is using two skill per full cycle

but more importantly

he is doing 2 combo

[fringe dirge]

Oooh

[twilit quail]

and a total of 6 skills in the cycle for the team

[ocean hawk]

well, will we have good match option tho ? for main stat

[safe sand]

ugh lifeng weapon reqs

[twilit quail]

yeah lifeng has no good cheap option

[ocean hawk]

since it def always the highest stat that wouldnt have good match for artificing

[fringe dirge]

Thing that's different for me is I'm playing Pan on the shatter team, not the physical team

[twilit quail]

yeah shatter is different

[fringe dirge]

Because I don't have Lifeng or Pog

[ocean hawk]

but valiant is usable no ?

[twilit quail]

to be clear

yeah valiant is fine

[safe sand]

thoughts on full ulti rate chimeric justice lifeng

[twilit quail]

it's not that much worse

[twilit quail]

it's usable but it's not good

[fringe dirge]

So Pan on shatter team will have different energy requirements?

[twilit quail]

on shatter team

I mean yes it would be different

but I dont know

what it is

lmao

[fringe dirge]

Gotcha, I'll see if I can figure it out

[twilit quail]

I havent invested that much effort into studying shatter

because the team's ceiling is just

you know

it's not quite there

[ocean hawk]

uhh, on never rest banner, I only need 1 pull left to get the chest for the selection. Should I pull on that banner once more for selecting ascent for chen or should I pull on gilberta sig

[twilit quail]

ascent is nerfed in live

it's not as good as it used to be

if your sundering has like 2 or 3 dupe

dont bother

also the box doesnt have ascent

lol

it has valiant

oh no wait

it does

I read it wrong

[fringe dirge]

Gotcha, I'm kinda forced to play Shatter team Da Pan anyways though because I don't have Pog and Lifeng right

[ocean hawk]

so

Im using aspirant rn

[twilit quail]

but if your sundering is already raised

ohhhhh

mmmm

[ocean hawk]

need to change or

[twilit quail]

aspirant is not very good

[ocean hawk]

lemme check sundering

[safe sand]

do you really have to play phys

[ocean hawk]

give me a sec

[fringe dirge]

I guess I could use Ardelia instead of shatter

But I don't like Ardelia rotations for phys

[ocean hawk]

my sundering is at p1

on 60 rn

[twilit quail]

ah

hm

so the thign is that sundering max dupe

is kind of better than no dupe ascent

in a lot of situations

but without the dupe

[fringe dirge]

Yes because I have full investment on Da Pan with his BiS greatsword

[twilit quail]

it depends on how lucky you are feeling in regards to

when you think chen will be replaced

for one I dont think that will happen in a long time

[gritty olive]

@bronze plume how did you explore? did you consult outside sources

[twilit quail]

and she does do a lot of the team's damage

[ocean hawk]

ah, I was thinking I already invest to much in this phys team

[twilit quail]

so it's not ridiculous to go for it I think

yeahhhh

[ocean hawk]

so I was thinking to pull for gilberta sig instead

[bronze plume]

i used my legs and the stock bill shop things

[twilit quail]

that's kind of the problem right now

it's kind of up to you I think

[fringe dirge]

Chat I'm thinking of something stupid. Putting Flourite on shatter team.

[twilit quail]

it's hard to for me to comment on exactly what the expected value of these things are

[ocean hawk]

and uh for pan, expemplar is already the bis right

[twilit quail]

without knowing the exact circumstances of your account

[bronze plume]

i didnt use no interactive map or anything like that

[twilit quail]

yes

[ocean hawk]

I can give ss on thing u need like gear or smth

[twilit quail]

ok honestly

[proud vector]

But why
does shatter team even build that much cyro infliction?

[twilit quail]

I cant be fucked to go through all of those

just to tell you if you should finish that box pity

it's up to you

[ocean hawk]

i mean, its permanent no ?

[twilit quail]

because ascent definitely is

[ocean hawk]

I can keep that box

[twilit quail]

a fair bit better than aspirant

[ocean hawk]

on the store

[gritty olive]

oh cool. does valleyiv have those as well or no?

[fringe dirge]

Estella battle skill, Alesh Ult, Flourite combo, Flourite Ult
4 stacks of ice, Alesh battle for Solidification
Estella combo max damage shatter 😂

[bronze plume]

it does

[twilit quail]

you can keep it forever yeah

but Im not sure how useful those weaps are gonna be in future

[ocean hawk]

aight then, sundering it is, welp it gonna take a month to fix this mistakes

[gritty olive]

if this is due yo my stock trade with a level3 im gonna combust

[proud vector]

😭 my man, so Flourite just sits around until you line up ults? Dayum

[twilit quail]

🫡

shit sucks

it is what it is

[ocean hawk]

and for dapan essence

[bronze plume]

[safe sand]

be so fr shatter team is just a really funny way of saying "these two cryo units provide phys suscep, vuln, and sp regen for crush"

[heavy fossil]

why is fluorite combo skill cd 40 seconds

[ocean hawk]

1st, 2nd, or 3rd ?

[fringe dirge]

She has a 40 second combo skill, her rotation is gonna be godawful no matter what

[ocean hawk]

that I need to prioritize

[twilit quail]

oh that is

[gritty olive]

its all level4. csn you send me an ss

[twilit quail]

hm

ok so with a team where one char is doing all the dmg

[ocean hawk]

ready to etch

[twilit quail]

oh

I see

[ocean hawk]

im using the left one rn, coz I didnt sure which to etch on the perfect one

[twilit quail]

the 4 pips of attack boost will be better short term actually

for the 3/3 one I would go

[gritty olive]

Oh these lol

[twilit quail]

attack > suppression > main

in that order

[ocean hawk]

so the left one is usable for now

until I have other essence to etch the perfect one

noted

[twilit quail]

yeah use that for now cause attack bonus on weapon is very favourable

yep

main att. is worse on the weapon than just the right attribute

because maxed out main attribute is less than maxed out str or whatever

and this was how ascent was nerfed

it went from agility to main stat

and lost value in the process

[ocean hawk]

ah

wait

what stat increased by main stat ?

isnt it still agi

[safe sand]

the operator's main stat

is increased by main stat

[twilit quail]

it is str for da pan

[ocean hawk]

yeah on chen case then its still agi no ?

[twilit quail]

yes

but if you click on another greatsword

with str main stat

you will see that it is 156

[safe sand]

"main stat" on a weapon will just be lower than str on a weaopn

yea

[twilit quail]

instead of 132

[winged adder]

why are main stats for support units always the one you dont want to upgrade

[ocean hawk]

ahh lesser

[twilit quail]

yep

[ocean hawk]

because the main stat is generic

not specific

[twilit quail]

so it's a little less valuable here compared to the suppression

[ocean hawk]

so it has lesser value than specific one

I see

[dry mist]

Is this build good for the hub?

[fringe dirge]

Why the fuck is Alesh's signature wep the way it is?
His battle skill increases cryo damage when he uses his battle skill to consume Solidification, but generally you want to use your cryo skills first to apply cryo infliction and THEN use his battle skill 😭

And the duration of the debuff is not long enough for it to last for a second cycle

[tight haven]

alesh's entire kit is a mess that just happens to work with other ops in ways that dont even feel deliberate

that said shatter is a very cool team

[midnight stirrup]

What even is Alesh sig

[tight haven]

finchaser

[fringe dirge]

At least you can slap a good weapon on Alesh like Thermite Cutter

[ocean hawk]

anyway thanks for the help iana, will ask more if I need help in the future

[tight haven]

thermite cutter, as always, is literally superior to it

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[fringe dirge]

I think he must have had a rework and they never went back to fix him

[twilit quail]

[tight haven]

he didnt

he was like this in cbt2

[fringe dirge]

😭

[tight haven]

everyone said he should be reworked

they didnt rework him

LOL

[fringe dirge]

At least his character kit works for shatter team

[safe sand]

hey at leaste we have some really funny gambling memes

[twilit quail]

give me liberty
give me fire
give me rare fish every single time or i retire

[fringe dirge]

Even though his sig wep implies he's meant for cryo team

[tight haven]

he actively sabotages both cryo dpses

[safe sand]

imagine if this wasnt a 45s cd

[tight haven]

its hilarious

[safe sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463702863015313570/1467669680339681350/letsgogambling.webm?ex=69813967&is=697fe7e7&hm=8db4511ce3c0d44ec348ea19f906532958b4a19e717cf71ce1d9fa7be3d6e0a8&

[fringe dirge]

I mean it's a really strong opener

[twilit quail]

it's so funny that he might actually be necessary for yvonne

off rare fish and ult alone

I might have to make that change

[safe sand]

crit character wants gambling character

match made in heaven

[twilit quail]

whatever I'll do it later

[tight haven]

i tried alesh with yvonne in cbt and like

actually wanted to kill myself

[twilit quail]

steaming dogshit vs steaming cat shit

[tight haven]

hes so unbelievably reliant on rare fish landing to do ANYTHING

its not even in shatter where him not landing rare fish is kinda whatever

if he doesnt land a rare fish with yvonne your entire fucking rot is screwed

you have to path from failure or just keep batking until you can do something again

[twilit quail]

sentenced to 3 more basic chains jail

[tight haven]

i liked akekuri more for that reason

its like worse on average but it works consistently

[safe sand]

ok so in da pan shatter you need to build to 4vuln every rotation, 2 are given by estella chen combo
rot1 da pan battle skill
rot2 da pan ult
rot3 chen/pan skill + estella ulti
rot4 you should be back to 2stack with 1 skill
question is now can you get da pan or estella ulti back in time(?)

[graceful forge]

So like whats a good yvonne comp

cuz its a shame since im using alesh estella and xaihi on her

[safe sand]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W0FL8l3UOerwfS4Y5D2yHdJlXadz_vmmBSND6zUyn-8/htmlview?pru=AAABnEAEhY0*mzpEc8eZVPlw-nWjXkn9Kg#gid=424737144

[tight haven]

yvonne gilb xaihi akekuri

you can play around with alesh but i have not found rotations that work well

[dry mason]

I bought lots of gloves to artificing, then I just success in 1 tap

[tight haven]

bricked

[quiet halo]

is Delivery Guaranteed on the game rn?

[tight haven]

no

it will come when gilberta's banner arrives

[quiet halo]

i dont see it in any of the weapon cases

[quiet halo]

aw

alr ty

[tight haven]

which is in give-or-take a week

[blazing lake]

bricked

gg

[tight haven]

yeah this is only going to happen once though

i mean, having limited ops whose sigs you can't get atm

it's a bit of a Launch Special™

[dry mason]

LOL just success in another 2 taps

[safe sand]

[tight haven]

yeah i think youre gonna have to reroll

[safe sand]

get ready for 30 pieces into str

[tight haven]

sorry goat

[fringe dirge]

Do regular enemies have 100 stagger threshold?

Or does every enemy have a different threshold

[green ibex]

buon giorno

enion still here? i slept for like 7 hours

[safe sand]

yea

do u need em tho

[green ibex]

what

[safe sand]

i mean like why enion in particular

[graceful forge]

cuz I was here yesterday

and enio. is still here

does the guy sleep?

[green ibex]

i slept for 7 hours and the guy is still here

[dire nymph]

kid named timezone

[fringe dirge]

How much ult energy does each skill generate? Assuming 0 ult regen multiplier

[fringe dirge]

I'm guessing it generates a certain amount for the user, and a certain amount for all other teammates

[safe sand]

i think this works

💀

[dusk zenith]

p1 aspirant or p2 sundering steel for chen

[gritty olive]

Shoretr

[dry mason]

new upgrade

[gritty olive]

Yipee

[dry kindle]

Not even cap

Smh

[dry mason]

need last 20 times on armor

not worth upgrading str right ?

[gritty olive]

Is it funny ill assume max essence weapon but not artificed gear

[dry mason]

im alr max essence on wp

[gritty olive]

Yeah people are looking at my assumptions

So them complaining about max essence weap but not for gear is a nonissue

[bronze plume]

whats happening

[gritty olive]

Contemplating if i include max artifice gear

When im assuming max essence weap

[bronze plume]

i mean why wouldnt you

[safe sand]

da pan combo skill 20cd 💀

[sterile herald]

include max everything 😅

[clever steeple]

Damn

[bold rose]

how much does Gil need her sig

bc I'm having to focus on LR sig rn

[wintry hazel]

Do y'all up int on support gear

Artificing ^

Or their ult eff thing

[somber dove]

its definitely her best option by a bit but stanza/opus work fine imo

i like stanza more since it gives atk%

[tame trail]

is this bis on chen?

[somber dove]

sundering steel is iirc

[tame trail]

ic

[safe sand]

at high potential!

[somber dove]

ult eff

yeah p5 its bis

[fringe dirge]

How is the comparison for Sundering Steel and Aspirant for Chen?

[somber dove]

like around 5% better

[fringe dirge]

I'm also getting 10% attack boost from Thermite cutter on Alesh

[somber dove]

or let me check the calcs

[tame trail]

ok so

[fringe dirge]

Not sure if that's a factor

[tame trail]

i really like to theorycraft but im pretty sure i burnt this

badly

[somber dove]

yeah around 5%

[dry kindle]

Yinglung pogra mentioned

[fringe dirge]

I use Swordmancer armor for 20 arts intensity instead of 20% Combo Damage on Chen

[somber dove]

if you dont have high pot you could just run rapid ascent or a stat stick like grand vision

[dry kindle]

Also frontiers endmin 💀

[tame trail]

running support endmin spamming crystal

[tame trail]

1 crystale very 8.5s is meta trust

🔥

not coping

[fringe dirge]

The arts intensity gives marginally more stagger

[dry kindle]

On who's lead

💀

[tame trail]

does endmin p1 even proc frontier

[dry kindle]

No

[fringe dirge]

Not sure how the damage calc works out for total combo damage tho

[tame trail]

bruh.

i need my money back this is a scam

[dry kindle]

Laugh

[tame trail]

it quite clearly say it improve a skill

and frontier say when you regain sp with a skill it proc

[somber dove]

returns 50sp not recover

[dry kindle]

Yeah you get 50sp returned

[tame trail]

i feel scammed

[dry kindle]

Different

[tame trail]

oh.

[tame trail]

welp

it is what it is.

back to frontier pog ig

[proud vector]

I mean it makes sense why they did this

The ultimate economy would be wild

[nova lance]

Best weapons to choose in each weapon selector?

Or do I just wait

[wintry hazel]

On support btw

Like arclight

Still ult eff?

Not int for more spr?

[blazing lake]

Is this profit?

[tame trail]

its not profit 💔

[somber dove]

oh on supp go int

[fringe dirge]

How hard is it to get 600 attribute?

I see some scaling things like Alesh's fish chance max out at 600 intellect

[bronze plume]

what set am i giving gilberta for electric

[safe sand]

probably requires weapon boost

if you look at shinono's hyperinvested laev it's at like 687 int rn so

it's fairly difficult but not unreasonable

[sterile herald]

hi where do i look at this

[safe sand]

uhhh i've just seen them posting about it lol

[sterile herald]

guhhh

[bronze plume]

600+ is ez if you have a weapon that has that stat increase and its the operators 1st or 2nd stat

[safe sand]

here's their yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoMBffsdLE

[sterile herald]

thank

[somber dove]

probably just xiranite

not too sure what else shed use

[bronze plume]

bet

now i just need perlica done

and i have 2 teams

[safe sand]

im so miffed that lifeng kinda needs his sig or valiant

otherwise he's just a low damage ult/susc bot

[wintry hazel]

On ardelia u give ult eff

On arclight u go int?

[fringe dirge]

Damn, I'm running Thermite Cutter on Alesh and that gives Will, Which is useless on him

[somber dove]

yeah

arclight needs to regen as much sp as possible

[north glade]

saving

[fringe dirge]

I'm using Thermite cutter for the teamwide atk buff which is more important than Alesh's personal damage tho

[safe sand]

i mean

alesh doesn't really do damage 😔

it's just his ulti

which is still middling and basically only for the sp it gives

[fringe dirge]

Especially since if you int max, that's his secondary stat, not his primary stat

But the int helps his chain attack proc more often

Still maxing at a 40% chance at 600 int.
Gamblemaxxing

Everything in his kit contradicts itself

He also doesn't seem to have a good Gear Set. You either run Frontier so he can be a buff bot at the detriment of his own kit, or you maximise ult gain and run him with no set bonus

[heady jungle]

Best leviathan team rn, both boss farming and exploring ( I have gilberta)

[bronze plume]

laev, ardelia, wulfgard, ake

can slot in antal for ake if want

[heady jungle]

Alr

[bronze plume]

there any skill on gilberta worth leveling

[somber dove]

ult and combo

maybe battle idr

[sly nymph]

who gets mastery in phys team

is it just m1 on pog battle/ult

[valid zealot]

Only pog.

Others are just multiplier.

And Lifeng bskill.

forgor.

[civic wolf]

is Flourite a must invest for Yvonne? if you dont have LR and GIlberta

im curretnly setting up Xaihi Snowshine and going to run Akekuri for now but relying on Snowshine counters for Cryo app doesn't sound nice?

[green ibex]

uhh i dont have lifeng and da pan is my physical team still good

[valid zealot]

Cope.

[tight haven]

ult and combo

[tight haven]

you can run pog ardelia chen endmin as like

a turbo cope phys team

it has pog so it'll probably work

[green ibex]

das what im doing

i needa craft sum purple armor

[valid zealot]

Your team starve.

[green ibex]

but i dont have a cryston farm

[valid zealot]

No invul stack.

[green ibex]

or whatever the hell u call it

[valid zealot]

But you're at early it's fine.

[green ibex]

im level 40

[valid zealot]

Story can use anything.

[tight haven]

oh yeah if youre that early do whatever

wuling is when you actually have to start thinking

[green ibex]

how to level up faster

[tight haven]

spend stam

[green ibex]

spend sanity where

[tight haven]

for whatever you need

exp, skill mats, credits

[valid zealot]

Just do quest.

[heavy fossil]

I found some really weird ember tech where if you time her battle skill to the fire attack on the first boss it registers her as blocking the attack but she doesn’t take damage cause she’s above the attack hitbox

[green ibex]

im literally gonna spend all my whatchamacallit

the red stuff

on lavacakes

leviathan

[tight haven]

you have one week

go

[green ibex]

i only need like 20 more pulls

i aint gotta worry bout it

i can start makin a new team after i get her

[safe sand]

enion i dont think i invest in lifeng

💀

endmin just isnt doing enough damage

to justify ruining pog and lifeng dps for support kits

[green ibex]

what does pog do

i dont read

[safe sand]

breach, sp recovery

[green ibex]

ok

i dont use that breach

cause i just use endmin

[safe sand]

well

[green ibex]

cause crush, is better

[safe sand]

breach gives a huge debuff

[green ibex]

what it do

i just see big damage number on crush

so i use it way more than breach

[safe sand]

if you consume 4 stacks with breach the enemy takes 20% increased dmg for 30s

this can scale with arts intensity

[green ibex]

uh huh uh huh

i see

[safe sand]

hence fortmaker pog

[green ibex]

is 20% a lot?

thts like 1/5

[safe sand]

if you build arts intensity you can get it to 40%

and you have to keep in mind this is a multiplier that is generally not used in phys teams

[green ibex]

whats an arts intensity

[safe sand]

a stat you can get from gear or weapons

[valid zealot]

Check in game.

Under stat tab.

[green ibex]

ion got any good weapons or gear

im lowk cooked

[safe sand]

@valid zealot what are your thoughts on this personally lmfao

chimeric lifeng is just hot ass

trying to get opinoins

[valid zealot]

I'm also coping chimeric.

[safe sand]

are you doign damage

[valid zealot]

I want LF to do dmg so much but the weap is dogsht.

[safe sand]

yea....

[valid zealot]

I don't even bother leveling it.

[green ibex]

use mao heishou pack faust

[valid zealot]

He's just invul bot now.

[safe sand]

did you also go full ulti eff

[valid zealot]

swordmancer + xyranite gloves.

[safe sand]

hm for the stagger?

[valid zealot]

Yeh.

[safe sand]

😔

[safe sand]

hear me our or smth idk

[valid zealot]

I might change that ngl.

for seal

[safe sand]

seal?

[valid zealot]

kit

ult gain kit

[green ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/stragger-tremor-limbus-gif-13833648936118364363

[valid zealot]

I want him to print 5 ults in 4 minutes.

[safe sand]

why not just run full xira then

is seal more gain

[valid zealot]

Yes but not noticeable until artificing.

[valid zealot]

Me chilling not trimming.

Will do when I mald doritos again.

PES_Exit

[manic blade]

Make500 ginseng

[fluid frost]

worth

my goat

[royal halo]

Is there a essence god roll chart yet so I dont accidentally feed a god roll into my Laevatains essence?

[tender zephyr]

good match

[fresh lynx]

is it just me or does upgrading essences just feel awful? So many of these essences im using for fodder i feel like are gonna be the Bis essences for future weapons?

[mild quarry]

redeemer gear is the good stuff

[somber dove]

just gotta farm again

[civic wolf]

is Endmin a level80 prio or not really?

most of phys rotation rarely if ever involve Endmin's actual skill unless ive mistaken lol

[valid zealot]

He's the main damage dealer.

[somber dove]

prio

[civic wolf]

when do you use his skill tho?

also is Grand Vision worth the 1 dollar purchase

[safe sand]

if you're planning on using endmin then grand vision is a must

way too synergistic

also has the highly sought after ATK stat line which means you can use it on other characters as sort of a statstick

[somber dove]

to consume vulnerability stacks

[wild sparrow]

what's the upgrade priority for laev? i've heard essence > artifice > skills > 90/90, but i'm conufsed as to why the guaranteed upgrades are lowest priority

[safe sand]

the guaranteed upgrades might be guaranteed but they aren't an outsized improvement in performance like how essences are

[wild sparrow]

i see, plus we might(?) get level 80 or more gear in the future so i guess i'll just sink all my sanity into essence farming

[safe sand]

I mean the game isn't going anywhere any time soon

[wild sparrow]

true

[safe sand]

You'll have time to do everything

[valid zealot]

⁨@safe sand⁩

[civic wolf]

Caved into the 1 dollar purchase

[valid zealot]

susagreegebusiness

Ultmaxxing femboy.

[civic wolf]

gonna roll my eyes into the back on my skull over this stupid bait

[safe sand]

I might have artificed a bunch of efficiency

[civic wolf]

Yeah but Pog does the same thing so like??

[wild sparrow]

also do you guys use the engraving tickets for supports? like i would get wulfgard and ardelia the best essence but i feel like as long as i get infliction the rest don't reaaallly matter

[safe sand]

Correct

[valid zealot]

I also run xyranite LF, tho I alrd xyranite pog

Cuz rot is weird.

[safe sand]

I'm currently running a three bar purple flow piece on my thermite cutter lol

[wild sparrow]

in that case i'll just farm their domain but without tickets

if i get it good for me

[civic wolf]

do Pog on first rotation, then Endmin on second?

[safe sand]

Nononono

Never farm without tickets

[valid zealot]

Unless farming for fodder but well

Just don't.

[wild sparrow]

yeah i'm just fodder farming

[safe sand]

There is 0 chance you have the liberty of fodder rn

[civic wolf]

so Skill and Ult prio then?

[safe sand]

do you have essences for every single weapon in the game rn

[valid zealot]

Sadge

[wild sparrow]

well no, but i do keep anything that's above +2

[valid zealot]

When will I be happy.

[civic rover]

is there a list of "good match" artifice

[somber dove]

if ur using pog as ur main dps i guess you can keep endmin at 60

[safe sand]

Are you using a helper site

[wild sparrow]

yeah i am

thing is that wulfgard and ardelia are at different locations

[civic wolf]

bruh

and i've been told that Endmin's the main DPS

I just got Grand Vision 1 dollar thing just for this lmao

[wild sparrow]

so i'm kinda torn on what to do atm

[civic wolf]

i already invested plenty into pog

and thermite

[safe sand]

do you only have those two left

[valid zealot]

Other than 2nd stat (which you want to artifice last anyways), see the redeemer tag/seal.

[safe sand]

you can honestly farm purple essences without sanity I think?

[somber dove]

ur main dps should generally be the highest level

or atleast the same as ur other characters

[wild sparrow]

thermite cutter as well. also i have a last rite and electric team ready just without the resources

[civic wolf]

yeah and i have Lifeng and Pog at level80 already

[wild sparrow]

but i thought i can't etch with purples? what's that gonna do then

[civic wolf]

since I think its the one team where since everyone is DPS you have to get them all to 80?

[tender zephyr]

which is the best physical rn chat is it avy?

avywinning

[safe sand]

Lock in and get a 3 pip purple infliction :)

[fluid frost]

YIPPIE

[wild sparrow]

oh true actually

where can i farm purple essence though

didn't know i could do that

[civic wolf]

Would you invest on Flourite for Yvonne?

Currently wanted to at least give Yvonne a shot but no LR and Gilberta

Xaihi Snowshine Ake seems functional but is reliant on Snowshine counter

so im asking on whether Flourite is worth it just so the team can become less reliant on parrying the enemy for Cryo stacks with Snowshine

[somber dove]

no

[dry kindle]

No

[proud vector]

poor Flourite

[somber dove]

eventually there will be a proper yvonne team

[proud vector]

She has some really good qualities but 40 seconds CD combo skill

[serene moat]

is this the channel for gear crafting?

[somber dove]

yeah thats a part of it

i suppose

[civic wolf]

so stick to snowshine parry thing and cry about it? man

i probably wont be able to get another 120 for Gilberta too

[proud vector]

It’s not just that

[serene moat]

ok what best ger for last rite?

[proud vector]

It’s the fact that combo skills are a pretty important part of ultimate energy generation

so her next best thing, her ultimate is also gimped by her 40 seconds of CD

It’s not like you cant use her it’s just uh

probably shoeshine

[somber dove]

tide surge

im pretty sure

[proud vector]

She’s inconsistent because defender class and no real combo skills

But she makes up somewhat with her talent granting extra ultimate energy and a cheap 80 cost ult (which does do solidify?)

[serene moat]

i see yeah i try that thanks

[tender zephyr]

What is lr actual team

Some guide is saying yvonne lr xaihi arde

[civic wolf]

my dumbass investing on too many characters because i got bored too easily sticking to one team

[proud vector]

That’s a Yvonne team

That is using LR as cyro stack source

[tender zephyr]

But lr will still do more dmg on that team?

[proud vector]

It kinda ints LR’s combo skill and ultimate charge rate

So no she will do basically no damage outside of battle skill

[civic wolf]

im only missing LR from the perma roster...

[somber dove]

xaihi ardelia and last slot can be basically anyone

[proud vector]

I would say it’s just Xaihi

Even ardelia isn’t always necessary, she does strain your SP a tad

[civic wolf]

no need to invest much on Snow and Xaihi since they aren't damage dealers right?

[somber dove]

yeah xaihi is a guarantee for any cryo team

[somber dove]

just get them to e3 for gold gear, no need for lv80

[tender zephyr]

Lr on her own team instead of yvonne team does more dmg vs yvonne + lr supp?

[proud vector]

Not a priority but Xaihi ult is a larrrge buff

[tender zephyr]

Yea e3 stopping point can equip gold and 9/9 important skill

[green ibex]

yoo

6767

[somber dove]

lr solo probably does less dmg overall compared to yvonne lr

[green ibex]

i found surtr in real life

[somber dove]

probably?

i havent seen showcases of yvonne lr

[tender zephyr]

I tot yvonne is a fraud

[somber dove]

for now

once she gets her sig she’ll be good

[dry kindle]

Yeah no

[somber dove]

right now shes homeless

[dry kindle]

Lr is faster

[proud vector]

LR is kinda just good

She fuels herself and excellent synergy with Xaihi

Meanwhile does Yvonne even have cyro stacks lol

[tender zephyr]

Last slot can be ake?

Does link buff all 3 hits of ult

[proud vector]

Link buff works on Avywenna spear retract

So I think so?