theorycrafting

[valid zealot]

Sadge

[mystic halo]

give me originium
give me sig
give me 9x stew meeting or I retire

[valid zealot]

Ms. Greedy Industries CEO™

[midnight stirrup]

Is Last Rite the only character with iframes on her ult?

Or does everyone

[drifting quest]

the only valid endfield tier list is food tier list

[mystic halo]

is stew meeting overall better than ginseng?

[drifting quest]

yeah

[mystic halo]

ok well no

[drifting quest]

easily

[mystic halo]

theyre in different slots

you can use them together

[drifting quest]

that too

[main jasper]

Is stew the method to reach infinite damage?

[mystic halo]

so I guess there should be 2 categories

[drifting quest]

but like ginseng you can use other similar buff foods

[unreal light]

So how do I decide if endmin or pog consumes phys status?

[drifting quest]

you cant really replace stew meeting

[mystic halo]

pog needs to go first

then you use your other things that deal dmg

[valid zealot]

You breach once first, then crush next for dmg.

[unreal light]

It feels like pog doesn’t have any damage compared to endmin

[mystic halo]

correct

[valid zealot]

Correct.

[mystic halo]

he is not a dmg unit

[drifting quest]

the support doesnt have any damage compared to the dps

[unreal light]

And for how long does his debuff stay on an enemy?

[valid zealot]

Base is 30s (4 stacks breach), increase with intensity.

[unreal light]

Like do I get to use crush in the time?

[valid zealot]

Yeah.

That's the point.

[mystic halo]

open physical team guy stream
he's playing lae

[unreal light]

Any formula on how’s that calculated? How much seconds does it add with intensity

Sorry I feel totally dumb

[valid zealot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.6ugp2bwnvloa

[main jasper]

Fire is just making particles move fast, just like moving your fists faster

[soft osprey]

in game the flap isn't a part of his jacket, it's an armor piece he's wearing over the jacket, looks like some kind of coif
that cosplayer made it a part of the jacket instead, which ruins my image of making it 1000% accurate lol
also far too bedazzled

[drifting quest]

la creatura

[valid zealot]

Are bots really dumb

Cuz I only have endmin BA leveled.

Guess it doesn't matter just swap for finisher.

PES_Exit

[sly nymph]

what's the point of frontiers on lifeng

[drifting quest]

faster link

probably

[mystic halo]

he has frontier chest

with ult dmg

and 3x swordmancer

I guess the breakpoint is better

cause we are chugging stew meeting

[sly nymph]

it's secondary attribute

is it not

[mystic halo]

oh it is yeah

10.4%

uhhhh

I dont know

[main echo]

Gng what is ardashir most likely to do or sum

[mystic halo]

that's very strange

[drifting quest]

oh i didnt check gear

assumed it was 3p

[mystic halo]

he doesnt have anything that scales with str

[drifting quest]

let me have a look

[mystic halo]

also the pog set is wrong

I guess he is too busy malding

to keep up with gear development?

I guess you cant blame them

shit is changing every 24 hrs

[sly nymph]

wdym wrong they give the same amount of arts intensity

as hot work

[mystic halo]

other set has better stats

wil primary

[sly nymph]

more will?

[mystic halo]

so you are leaving a bit of damage on the table for no reason

hw powerbank is wil primary

32 wil 21 int

as opposed to 41 int doing nothing at all

yeah you end up with very slightly more will

[unreal light]

Is it suggested to play pog w/out any set?

[mystic halo]

than pulse set

I guess it's very little difference

in fully raised physical team he only needs 2 things

charge rate and arts intensity

if you want to max intensity you go 3x hotwork

but that is essentially the only set you should ever use

[unreal light]

And that set, that gives his team a 16% dmg bonus

[mystic halo]

pulse is similar and is fine

frontier is useless

[unreal light]

How come

[dry mason]

hi honey @valid zealot

[mystic halo]

cant give him an extra combo in the rotation

and the buff is diluted

also harder to fit in charge rate

[valid zealot]

Sup.

[sterile patrol]

Someone else found the secret arts intensity sauce even if it looks completely cursed

[mystic halo]

gains are less than intensity

[valid zealot]

Oh it's the man.

[mystic halo]

full intensity is 49% breach multiplier

[valid zealot]

[dry mason]

I want to build next team, but I dont have characters

[valid zealot]

Swipe.

[dry mason]

me poor

[unreal light]

So what’s my ideal rotation with Chen/Endmin/Pog/P1Ardelia?

[mystic halo]

oh ardelia

hm

[unreal light]

👉 👈

[mystic halo]

and endmin too uhhhhhhhh

[valid zealot]

No Lifeng is tough.

[mystic halo]

da pan would make things significantly easier here but

let me think

[unreal light]

No luck, gotta reroll my credit card

[mystic halo]

cause chen da pan pog ardelia is actually decently good

[unreal light]

I don’t want to play da pan

[midnight stirrup]

Yo its guoba

[mystic halo]

god no lifeng sucks ass

[midnight stirrup]

Hi guoba

[unreal light]

I don’t like him

[sterile patrol]

i didnt know this channel was here

awesome stuff

[midnight stirrup]

Fr great peep here

[valid zealot]

Build shatter then.

[dry mason]

no way im playing MC

[mystic halo]

Im trying to think, can you do 4/4 with that

[dry mason]

[valid zealot]

Chen skill.

[unreal light]

What’s the 4/4?

[valid zealot]

Scuffed but it is what it is.

[fringe dirge]

Does anyone know the damage formula for elemental reactions? I want to know how to maximize Crush damage

[mystic halo]

pog lifeng chen endmin can barely squeeze out 4 vuln breach > 4 vuln crush

[unreal light]

I mean I may play ember instead of Ardelia, but it feels like straight out dps loss

[mystic halo]

that's 4/4

dont use ember lol

I mean

wait

is it actually worse?

hang on

[valid zealot]

Atp play catcher.

[unreal light]

Well she does apply phys status once you’ve taken a hit

[mystic halo]

just having another combo that can apply a stack might not actually be worse than ardelia here because of how tight the SP is

[valid zealot]

Heard he's better.

[sterile patrol]

not going to 4 doesnt make or break the game

[ebon thicket]

Lynx slab vs tide fall light armor for laevetain?

[mystic halo]

you dont get to press ardelia skill anyway

[unreal light]

I’m fine with 3/3, but I don’t want a sitting duck in a team

[mystic halo]

this is disconcerting

[sterile patrol]

after the initial breach from pog you would then setup ardelias rotation for the subsequent crush

[valid zealot]

The sp bar kinda homeless.

[mystic halo]

honestly I think 4/3 here might be better

4 breach 3 crush

[unreal light]

Do I have enough skill points for that?

[dry mist]

How to get in there?

[drifting quest]

go behind the building

[mystic halo]

god no lifeng sucks

[valid zealot]

20 meter back there's a path to go around.

[unreal light]

Go back and you’ll see a path in the middle of the building, on the ground level

[dry mist]

Ok I see thx

[drifting quest]

slab needs a lot of things to line up to really do anything practical

it can theoretically be higher but the investment to get to that point and then also having the content favoured for it is rare right now

it probably performs similarly in monument, if not slightly ahead, based on current information

but basically everywhere else its ehh

this is always stc we've gone from slab is optimal to slab is useless to slab is usable since launch

[mystic halo]

wait I dont even know if you can 4/3

wow this sucks

[valid zealot]

Is there tips for mob phase doritos.

[sly nymph]

does xiranite buff show under character portrait

[mystic halo]

you might just have to do like

[unreal light]

[sly nymph]

lifeng it

[mystic halo]

chen skill > combo > endmin combo > pog skill > combo

and then just stare at your SP bar

and do whatever

that's grim

[valid zealot]

I burn ult I no stack can't burst.

It's Endmin.

[main echo]

@drifting quest What leads you to believe fangyi will be sub dps

[valid zealot]

[mystic halo]

but with this comp should you ever use pog intensity

[drifting quest]

dodgespam lines dont clear it

[mystic halo]

duuuude this is awful

[drifting quest]

?

[sly nymph]

idk i lifenged it

[dry mason]

Gilberta

[unreal light]

I usually play like endmin -> Chen -> Chen combo -> endmin combo

[dry mason]

[drifting quest]

stuff like rhodagn flamethrower

[sterile patrol]

Btw does anyone actually enjoy the full ult gain lae build I saw youre sacking all of her damage

[drifting quest]

its rhodagn i guess

[unreal light]

And then decide how I consume stacks

That’s the best I can do

[terse furnace]

Theoretically, what would the rotation be if you had Lifeng in there? I don't own Pog so I can't make the physical team, but I'm just curious

[mystic halo]

I just dont know what youre meant to do without lifeng

that guy is

man

the more I think about it the better he becomes in my mind

[valid zealot]

He +2 stacks when you need it.

And Link

[mystic halo]

link is unbelievably good

for phys

[valid zealot]

Half of the comp dmg is in one button.

[unreal light]

Perchance Chinese new year event that gives lifeng for free to everyone

[terse furnace]

Also, while we're on the subject, does Link affect Leav ult?

[fringe dirge]

If you don't have Lifeng or Pog how comparable is Alesh + Estella for phys?

[unreal light]

[valid zealot]

Nein.

[sterile patrol]

Not from testing

[terse furnace]

🥀

[dry mason]

no

I got baited by a random guy

[terse furnace]

I guess I'd use link on Laev skill

[dry mason]

he said Link affected Lae's ult

[sterile patrol]

yup

[valid zealot]

It affects her Ebskill tho so all good.

[dry mason]

[valid zealot]

It's what you would want to buff anyways.

[drifting quest]

it definitely feels better for marble and triagg because of how long the fight goes on for you get like double to triple the amount of ults so it probably also has higher total damage, even if you have less damage per ult. lets you do stuff like ult to clear the trash at the start of marble or in triagg phase 2 without really losing too much damage

for rhodagn i liked the hot work + tide more because its such a short fight you dont tend to notice the extra ults as much

id expect for monument starting on 0 energy too that it'll feel better there too, but monument isnt really a challenge sadly

this is mostly in akekuri teams though, antal w/ premium weapon might just push the damage over the top to never need the extra ults

[mystic halo]

with no ult in most situations you would probably do
lifeng skill(suscept apply) > finish pog final strike > chen and lifeng combos together(best to line up their cooldowns)
chen skill > da pan skill > dapan combo > pog combo

[drifting quest]

i havent got anything good to run on antal right now so he doesnt really buff all that much more than akekuri for me

[mystic halo]

generally if you have lifeng ult you can use it after his combo

uses the link for good gains, gives 4 stack

[unreal light]

And when do I use pog ult?

Like whenever asap?

[mystic halo]

the answer is whenever

[unreal light]

Or do I time it

[mystic halo]

so long as youre not going to lose the SP from overflowing somehow

[unreal light]

Okay thank you for enlightening me

[fickle parrot]

got this first try, didnt know you could drop already etched essences ?

[unreal light]

Cool

[sterile patrol]

Youre dropping over 30% of your damage on her in a quick calc without considering misaligned ults with buffs/stagger

but worth testing ig

[drifting quest]

you do definitely notice the damage drop, especially since you do 1 enhanced skill per ult

[unreal light]

What are the achievements people hunt for? Like killing a boss under 120 sec

[mystic halo]

charge set has speedrun record by a long shot

on those two bosses

[drifting quest]

but by saving 4 melting flame till ult expires you basically get your ult back up immediately

[terse furnace]

To be clear, is Da Pan or Endmin better? I haven't looked at their kits too deeply, but I hear Endmin has better burst while Da Pan has better vuln app

[drifting quest]

so you dont have the same downtime as hot work builds

[tender zephyr]

fk this boss lol tryna dodge shiny skill

[sterile patrol]

But speedrun isnt the play for most players

[drifting quest]

i mean there's nothing hard in the game except trims right now, sadly

[unreal light]

Is there a medal for this in game?

[valid zealot]

If you're rich Endmin is better.

[sterile patrol]

Ye ofc

[mystic halo]

there isnt anything to discuss other than how fast we can kill something lmao

[sterile patrol]

just wanted to see what the takes were

[mystic halo]

just getting trim is not hard

[dry mason]

let's wait for tower or something

[mystic halo]

endmin is the favourite for speedrunning and has higher numerical ceiling with the sig, but the rotation is really tight on SP and by not bringing da pan you are also losing an applier

[tender zephyr]

why 1.0 has no abyss or toa equivalent anyway

smh

[sterile patrol]

Ig the sheet says "if you want a conventional set" for the other one

[terse furnace]

I think all of us are poor on Wuling dollars 🥀

[mystic halo]

short term endmin will have really big numbers

[winged adder]

does antal work with chilvaric virtues

[mystic halo]

but the sustainability is not so good

with da pan you will have leftover SP very often

[sterile patrol]

Iirc he didnt count

[mystic halo]

and can juggle the timeline around

[drifting quest]

yeah most 'optimal' set choices are pretty deranged and arent gonna matter for most people

[terse furnace]

and just to make sure, Endmin/Da Pan are the controlled op in that comp right? lmao

[sterile patrol]

mhm

the gearing is really interesting though

[mystic halo]

if you are playing endmin you control them but da pan likes to control pog

[winged adder]

i hate passives that say "the wearer's skill" cause idk what counts and what doesnt

[twilit quail]

the text on chiv is very misleading

[terse furnace]

oh! that's interesting

[twilit quail]

in chinese it is 自身技能 which is "the character's abilities"

but in english it just ends up being skills

[sterile patrol]

Isnt it more so that Antal/Ardelia dont actually heal with their bskill/combo/ult

[twilit quail]

which, uh, says nothing

and cant really be deciphered

[winged adder]

so it doesnt work with ardelia either?

who is this weapon for lmao

[sterile patrol]

xaihi/gilberta in 2+ targets

[drifting quest]

yeah ardelia heals off talent

so chiv doesnt proc

[sterile patrol]

so does gil but it's attributed to her bskill/combo

[drifting quest]

talents are like 'added' to what they affect as far as i know

[sterile patrol]

gacha EN wording will always be weird

[drifting quest]

ardelias adds to the sheep, not the skill/ult that generates the sheep

[sterile patrol]

ye

[mystic halo]

to be clear about this da pan optimisation is very deranged

and there are situations where you want pog to miss his autos on purpose

[sterile patrol]

Btw does someone have a link to the Lae dorito boss speedrun on ult gain vs. non ult gain?

[drifting quest]

i got dupe wnn and wedges over any real weapons so i cant really test edge cases myself until i pull again

they're mostly on bilibili as always, i can try find a couple of the links

[sterile patrol]

I was gonna make a vid on how builds can change a ton, and so I think itd be cool to reference

[unreal light]

And what’s the endmin best set here? It just redirects me to the same page

[unreal light]

@twilit quail could you help out please?

[sly nymph]

the chinese speedrun bro was using full swordmancer tho

[twilit quail]

can switch to swordmancer gauntlet at high invest

[unreal light]

Okay thank you 🫡 ❤️‍🔥

[terse furnace]

man...I feel like I need a bit more context here lmao

[sly nymph]

i don't understand why the chinese speedrun bro was using secondary attribute frontiers armor

it's beyond me

[mystic halo]

you know how you can really mega delay your auto strings

by dodging and whatever

[unreal light]

You also suggest Chen Rapid Ascent. Shouldn’t she go for a CRIT build with this CRIT sword?

[mystic halo]

by whiffing > dodge at the correct timing you can stay in the same place in the chain, and delay the combo more than you would normally be able to

this cannot be done when you hit the enemy

[dry kindle]

Crit fucking sucks

[valid zealot]

ask Lifeng.

[twilit quail]

it's a stat stick crit set is worthless dogshit

[valid zealot]

He's responsible.

[sterile patrol]

the crit incident

[unreal light]

Even with rapid ascent?

[twilit quail]

yea

[dry kindle]

Crit set can't even save yvonne damage

[drifting quest]

did anyone do the yvonne math yet

[unreal light]

I thought rapid ascent Chen = two bonecrusha masks build

[sterile patrol]

yes, crit dmg is fixed to 50% outside of yvonne, so ass

[drifting quest]

is crit gear actually her bis

[dry kindle]

Pay me

[drifting quest]

im so sketch on it

[sterile patrol]

over what?

or you mean the mains in MI

[drifting quest]

just 4p stat chasing i guess, setless

[sterile patrol]

25% ATK is kinda omega

[drifting quest]

crit gear feels so bad whenever you cant just keep it stacked

[mystic halo]

next week it's going to turn out

[dry kindle]

Oh right speaking of

[sterile patrol]

i can calc the 4p stat chasing if you tell me what you want cooked

[dry kindle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1SL6sBSE5U

[mystic halo]

that blue gear with +% atk stat

[valid zealot]

You can equip meet stwe?

[mystic halo]

is bis for yvonne

[sterile patrol]

💀

[dry kindle]

Rate it

[mystic halo]

it would be

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

SO funny

[mystic halo]

this shit is so funny because he made like 5 videos

viewfarming about the comp

[drifting quest]

like the steroid on full stack crit gear is huge but current bosses have times where you just physically cant keep it stacked for 5s

[sterile patrol]

yup

[mystic halo]

dumped 1 billion extra resources into yvonne

[sterile patrol]

it's hard to simulate that though

[mystic halo]

just to be slower than LR anyway

[sterile patrol]

and she stacks it back up real quick

[mystic halo]

it's so funny

[unreal light]

I see Ty

[drifting quest]

yeah its never gonna be simmed well but i feel like if other options can sheet somewhat close they might just perform more consistently

[dry kindle]

Rate the yvonne speedrun 😭

[valid zealot]

狐假虎威

[drifting quest]

if they start to get like 10-20% off then yeah its just run mi and wait for a better option i guess

[sterile patrol]

if you have ideas let me know, pulser is in the bin at least

[sly nymph]

why that armor

[mystic halo]

fraud carried by angelina

tbh

[dry kindle]

Fuckin carried by last rite ult 😭

There's another one where it's like 90% laev damage

Truly the peak of yvonne speedruns

[tender zephyr]

theres already fraud allegations on yvonne?

[dry kindle]

Fym already

[drifting quest]

i can grab a couple of just good 4p options

[valid zealot]

Since beta.

[tender zephyr]

wtf

[valid zealot]

It doesn't get any better.

[drifting quest]

int agi , ult dmg%, ult gain%

[dry kindle]

What even is the timeline on yvonne ult

[valid zealot]

ChenShrug

[dry kindle]

Actually

Surely timeline site has it

[tender zephyr]

how much does gilb buff

she replace arde on any comp?

[dry kindle]

It doesn't

Gg

Idfk the timeline on yvonne hits

[terse furnace]

holy shit

[naive ice]

Oh sheebs

[sterile patrol]

ya i mean i cant see any non set combos beating it, even with downtime on the 25 atk it builds up super fast and the pieces are fine

[dry kindle]

Actually that goofy ahh endfield db site might have it

[drifting quest]

Yeah I just hate the idea of the mi set so much I dont want to have to use it lmao

[terse furnace]

that's kinda whacky lmao, I'd need to play the team in practice to see that

[mystic halo]

it's not something

anyone normal

would ever have to do

[dry kindle]

I can't even find the site

Waaah

[naive ice]

I’ve only seen that done on boss spawn/before first rotation, right?

[valid zealot]

Not that one but well

You can, not bother and nothing in your life changes.

[drifting quest]

bilibili search terms
[终末地] 镀层（附速通记录）
[The End] Plating (with speedrun record)

should hit a lot of the common titles for trimmed clears that are speedruns

ill do my best to try skim through for a couple of the ones i recognise for ult gain % laev build

there's some for other unconventional teams and builds like last rites stuff, physical and shatter

[sterile patrol]

thank you gamer

[mystic halo]

I wonder how many more videos yz is going to make viewfarming yvonne

[mystic halo]

no Im talking about in-pull

[valid zealot]

Bilbili searcher?

[mystic halo]

whiffing autos before pull is very standard

[naive ice]

Oh word

In pull is crazy

[mystic halo]

this is more for last rite than phys

but phys can use it in a limited capacity

to play with combo cooldowns in a very specific way

[sly nymph]

is chen p5 useless

[drifting quest]

ah its good to see again

the funny level 60 physical setup

[sly nymph]

it seems like it just desyncs combos no

[naive ice]

Speaking of—I had a question about your endmin rotation(s) lol

[sterile patrol]

whats up

[dry kindle]

I just can't find site gg

[valid zealot]

Tfw I have to do one whole BA sequence after stagger cuz finisher disrupts it.

PepeCry

[drifting quest]

i thought i found an actual yvonne run but its just rhodagn again

[mystic halo]

xdddddd

[naive ice]

On mono phys endmin team, is it more optimal to stack 3 vuln vs 4 into crush? I noticed that’s the combo you mentioned in the video

[sterile patrol]

Kind of hard because itll depend on the 4th slot with how much vuln you can actually get

[terse furnace]

How is this guy spawning behind him btw? Is there some tech I'm not aware of?

[dry kindle]

Just

Walk around

💀

[terse furnace]

does the trim timer not start until you start attacking?

[dry kindle]

Idk

[terse furnace]

[dry kindle]

Anyone know this site i forgor

[naive ice]

I see, I know it’s much harder with endmin vs dapan, with endmin also having slower rotations bc of it

[midnight stirrup]

You could try testing it out

[mystic halo]

walking behind him is a speedrun thing cause we use timer starting from pull in those

[midnight stirrup]

Idk if a timer shows up on screen

[dry kindle]

Image reverse search didn't help

[glad niche]

https://datafield.cc/teams

[weak meteor]

starts when boss health bar appears which is when he takes aggro

[sterile patrol]

hm yea hard to find the ult lae on bili so far

[drifting quest]

its definitely overwhelmed by a lot of tide chest ones

there's a couple posted in this channel but i couldnt find them quickly enough so i pivoted to just backsearching bilibili

it should be easier to go via recommended videos once you're on one

[dry kindle]

[elfin river]

so, a question about skill leveling
do I ever care about upgrading most of the support skills?
DPS ofc gets maxed weapon/skills/levels

but since weapons only ever get atk when leveling, do I even care about leveling those for supports?
and do I even care about getting supports higher than 60/80? since all I want is for them to wear gold gear, not deal more damage

[mystic halo]

I hope we start getting more solo trims

down the line

so we can put ember on the team on top of the solos

and say that she cleared it

god bless

[drifting quest]

there's I think 4(?) last id checked for rhodagn

should be more

[sterile patrol]

i think i found some ye

[outer ermine]

oh ye solo

[mystic halo]

any of the others are gonna be misery for solo though

[dry kindle]

Ok I guess?

[terse furnace]

Question: is Crush generally better than Breach? I'm noticing a lot of combos aren't using Pog's battle

It's probably just that upfront damage is better for burst purposes, but I'm just curious

[dry kindle]

Breach should be perma active

[sterile patrol]

chills

[twilit quail]

it's just that full intensity breach is a somewhat recently development

[dry kindle]

Mfw theres any trim speedruns on ult build

[sterile patrol]

how come?

just cause of the breach buff from cbt2?

[dry kindle]

Drugs

[sterile patrol]

dont think the arts intensity multiplier changed on the scaling

[twilit quail]

and we only put together the 12 stacks da pan timeline with 4 ults recently

[sterile patrol]

i see

[twilit quail]

also peopel were too fixated

on endmin speedkill with eating 9 ult energy food

LMAO

[sterile patrol]

oh ok

[twilit quail]

fortmaker

is also a recent development

we just didnt pick up on it before somehow

it should have been so obvious

[dry kindle]

[sterile patrol]

it got changed from cbt2 iirc

now it has intensity and ult gain

so makes sense you didnt see it initially

[twilit quail]

the most recent conclusion we have is that

pog sig is kinda just dogshit

and we're pretty certain about that now

and in the current environment da pan is looking really, really good

[sterile patrol]

it was pretty overhyped

[twilit quail]

though who knows maybe endmin gets omega 50% perf increase pot

that leaves enemies with 2 stacks when they crush for 4 or something

and then all of this will be pointless

[dry kindle]

P5

[sterile patrol]

[dry kindle]

Trust

[sterile patrol]

the endmin pot situation is a real tease

[dry kindle]

Just wait for 3.0

Inb4 we get the usual

Caster endmin when

[sterile patrol]

btw @twilit quail are you doing all of your tc here? I didnt see any tc setups for AKEF yet

[twilit quail]

4/4/4 endmin would do an insane amount of damage, if it's ever possible without food

no I use community server more often

[dire nymph]

so do i just drop sig now considering everything

[twilit quail]

I dont have any yt channel or anything

[terse furnace]

12 stacks da pan timeline??!!

[twilit quail]

and every document I have

[sterile patrol]

Like someone's community one or

[twilit quail]

is in chinese

cause I am

[summer flower]

Ohh who Would thought

[sterile patrol]

ah

[twilit quail]

I use rihq a lot

[summer flower]

Man, how does it feel to follow overhype?

[twilit quail]

original ak community server

[drifting quest]

i didnt know rihq had an endfield section

[sterile patrol]

ahhh gotcha

[drifting quest]

i never looked i guess

[twilit quail]

but it's mostly community

shits and giggles

there's not very much gameplay discussion going on there

[sterile patrol]

I wanted to set up a tc space but it's so tricky

at least here is cool

[drifting quest]

there's some stuff here yeah

[mystic halo]

because the peopel here are reasonable

we get a lot of very relaxed yapping

[drifting quest]

one laev team sheet and then some mishmash of energy calcs/rots/etc

[dry kindle]

99% shitting on slab while waiting for sanity to recharge

[mystic halo]

hopefully

this doesnt change

[sterile patrol]

hope so

[dry kindle]

Umbral when so we can tell slab to fuck off

[drifting quest]

something something new gear set makes slab good

surely

[dry kindle]

Die

[drifting quest]

feb 12

i think

[sterile patrol]

ye umbral is soon

[drifting quest]

it'll take 3 minutes to clear and then you never play it again

[sterile patrol]

[mystic halo]

guys

[dry kindle]

Last rite solo it

[mystic halo]

ember + snowshine is so good

look I can just satnd in the aoe

🙂

[sterile patrol]

This is a safe space where we can shit on defenders?

[drifting quest]

just dont go one channel up

[sterile patrol]

ok

[dry kindle]

Me when yvonne last rite fluorite

[drifting quest]

the fluorite cope i hate it so much

but its also like

[sterile patrol]

Fluorite...

[drifting quest]

mandatory for people with bad builds forcing her

[mystic halo]

the gsheet made the other channels a lot more bearable

[dry kindle]

We need blue antal

Actually that's just another xaihi

[twilit quail]

ok but what do you even use on fluorite

[drifting quest]

its just the same as wulfgard

[twilit quail]

what dogshit stinks the least

[ebon thicket]

Since crowns are a limited resource, is there a guide as to which characters are worth crowning, and which skills on that character deserve crowns?

[drifting quest]

seals + obj

[terse furnace]

I remember week 1 when people said you can get 20 seconds on her combo via P5 and everyone simultaneously pointed at Ardelia and claimed she had Nature infliction

[drifting quest]

she does negative damage so you just want to cope you get a second ult on the second rot

[dry kindle]

What's the energy again

[mystic halo]

dmg is 0 anyway

[sterile patrol]

pretty much yea

[dry kindle]

Bruh its 100

[mystic halo]

so we just give her as much regen as we can

[dry kindle]

Not even 90

[drifting quest]

fluorite is 100 wulf is 90

[dry kindle]

Fucking

😭

[mystic halo]

I have actually worked out a wulf breakpoint

[drifting quest]

so they're basically the same becaus wulf overcaps on seal no

[mystic halo]

but with how like

[terse furnace]

I think I've seen people running Frontier+OBJ on her so you get her combo+ult up more frequently

Genuinely just an infliction bot

[mystic halo]

kind of freeform using the ult is

I dont think it's meaningful

[sterile patrol]

sometimes she takes so long frontier cdr wont even help

[drifting quest]

i suppose fluorite misses a combo or four

wulf ult gain is capped more by ardelia combo than his own actual gen

[dry kindle]

I guess we play 250% gen fluorite

[terse furnace]

Gilberta will save Fluorite, trust

[drifting quest]

im sure there's a genuine line where you build damage on him again

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

gilb fluorite was the first 'real' yvonne team

until we realised we can just use xaihi anyway and stop coping

[terse furnace]

It's still a "real" team, it just sucks cuz you have to run Fluorite

Fluorite having no damage amp is so fucked

[dry kindle]

Gens ult in combo + 500 sp

[dire nymph]

sworce how fucked is yvonne

[mystic halo]

watching yvonne solo struggle to trim rhodan at lv90

[dry kindle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1SL6sBSE5U

[drifting quest]

DID SHE DO IT

[mystic halo]

with ginseng

[drifting quest]

i saw one that was 125

[mystic halo]

mogged by gigachad chen

[twilit quail]

Im not aware of an actual success

I think chen is down to 109s

[dry kindle]

Oh FML 2am

[drifting quest]

i skimmed over 2 chen solos looking for these laev runs

[sterile patrol]

the "yvonne" showcase

[outer ermine]

how fast was lr rhod solos

[dry kindle]

Just go find umbral atp

[drifting quest]

sub 60?

maybe a bit over

for umbral its a nothingburger change anyway

[dry kindle]

0+1 was 65 or something iirc

[drifting quest]

you can get a ton of stacks via aoe applications

[dry kindle]

Inb4 5+6

[outer ermine]

oh not bad

[mystic halo]

the ascent nerf

does kinda suck

rip to a real one

[sterile patrol]

the CR will be relevant one day

[drifting quest]

on the one hand going back to critslop for every dps would be cringe

[mystic halo]

it went from INT to MAIN losing I think 24 main stat

[drifting quest]

on the otherhand its pretty depressing how bad it is

[mystic halo]

and amp on staggered was nerfed as well

[sterile patrol]

ya im happy with it being situational but it's very situational lmao

[twilit quail]

everything that isnt physical is boring to think about now

surtr is fighting for less than 1% damage difference

[drifting quest]

electric is presumably getting an entire revamp in 1.1 so it might just end up being a per patch one element gets all the toys

[tranquil burrow]

Lol

[twilit quail]

phys is replacing everything

[sterile patrol]

phys team is sick

[real palm]

how is this team supposed to work. I've been screwing around with it and I don't get it

[tranquil burrow]

67

[twilit quail]

lae kill

[drifting quest]

assuming tangtang replaces da pan too then its gonna be changing again

[twilit quail]

pog run fast

ember make it so you dont dodge

that's it

there is no "comp"

[rugged vale]

is pog the only char that has special dash animation ?

[real palm]

pog has a faster run?

[mystic halo]

lifeng and ange do

[terse furnace]

Guoba, fund my Pog

[terse furnace]

Gilb does

[sterile patrol]

but tangtang lacks the aura of da pan's BA4

[sterile patrol]

[twilit quail]

pog has a unique dash

[rugged vale]

he has a weird slide that /feels// faster at least

[drifting quest]

you can beat the boss faster or you can style on the boss

the answer is obvious

[real palm]

I never played him on field so I never noticed

[terse furnace]

@twilit quail can you explain more about this mythical 12 stack Da Pan thing? Does it involve 3x Crush or is it 1x Breach 2x Crush?

[lucid widget]

my theory is They deleted Chen's Braincells With each Revision

[twilit quail]

1 breach and two da pan combo

[sterile patrol]

gotta have breach

[outer ermine]

man im farming that phy status medal and phy feels fun but why did it have to 3 dudes in this team

[twilit quail]

you can sample the following rotation

whiff autos prepull > start rotation with about 2.5 bars

Lifeng skill > chen combo
dapan skill > pog ult > pog skill
pog combo(4) > lifeng combo
chen ult > chen skill & combo
da pan ult > combo(4)

lifeng skill > combo > ult
panda skill > chen combo > panda combo(4) > pog combo

[lucid widget]

the first one would have Chen's Bloodline.. the finished product just... looks like a loony tunes character

[rugged vale]

cant dilute waifu essence

[terse furnace]

I will never understand the aversion to using dudes, you either play for strong comps or you play for waifu purposes and suboptimal DPS

[twilit quail]

and that is one big cycle

[lucid widget]

I play for the ladies

[twilit quail]

there are a lot of ways to shuffle it around

[terse furnace]

whiff autos prepull
That's fucking wild, I'll copy this down but I expect it to fall off the moment we get a new Phys tool lmao

[lucid widget]

My dorm is already full of men i dont want to see more men

[twilit quail]

and this rotation is probably changing soon

LMAO

[drifting quest]

i love learning a new physical rotation twice a day

[twilit quail]

one big uncertainty rn

[terse furnace]

The moment I see a hint of you saying something different I will be pinging you and asking about it

[sterile patrol]

[twilit quail]

well, to be exact, something we have always been uncertain about

is what we actually use on chen in terms of gear

sometimes swordmancer looks really good

sometimes aethertech

it's a mess

[sterile patrol]

What part of aether's gearing

[drifting quest]

its surely just based on the stagger threshold of the boss

[real palm]

just tested it a bit, it's almost 20% faster

[terse furnace]

Btw, what's this about Never Rest being worse than Fortmaker? Is it cuz of the Arts Intensity on Breach?

[twilit quail]

never rest buffs are mega diluted

and take a while to stack

[dire nymph]

is prepulling some new tech

[drifting quest]

never rest is just kinda mid
fortmaker gives intensity and ult gain%

[twilit quail]

thermite is less diluted, runs at full power faster

[midnight stirrup]

He can dash twice, twice. So yeah its faster.

[drifting quest]

the ult gain % lets you stack less of it on gear and the nget more intensity

[twilit quail]

fortmaker enables different gearing options

since we are sacrificing all his dmg anyway fortmaker making him have 0 atk doesnt matter at all

[terse furnace]

I expect a document about this on your google sheets later this week

[twilit quail]

Im thinking about having a whole page

just talking about the gearing

but I will probably just let the dust settle first

[terse furnace]

Physical sounds so sick, I wish I had 300 standard pulls rn

🥀

[twilit quail]

and just look at the maths other people do

because I dont want to do it myself anymore

after an entire day of... that

[terse furnace]

What if Tangtang/Mifu/Rossi are physical?

[twilit quail]

I fucking HOPE tangtang relieves me frmo my post

[drifting quest]

every time i think ive found one on the right build they're actually just p5

[twilit quail]

and makes everything simple & easy

[drifting quest]

can these cn players stop whaling

[twilit quail]

rossi is going into fire for sure

probably vg

[sterile patrol]

we need a character to save fluorite

[twilit quail]

my goat tangtang will save me

[drifting quest]

surely the last 2 are both cryo

surely we dont go all the way to 1.3 with cryo bricked

[twilit quail]

it would be very funny

10 rhodan records

0 results anywhere else

[drifting quest]

id laugh but i put resources into yv*nne and last rite because people wouldnt shut up about using them together

i want my roi

[terse furnace]

She could also be nature and help feed the combustion synergy with Wulfgard

[twilit quail]

i fucking hope not

[terse furnace]

Personally, I want a Nature DPS

[drifting quest]

combustion itself does nothing because we have 2 sources of it we can near enough alternate on cooldown

laev combo cooldown

[sterile patrol]

amen

[real palm]

Rossi gives pure phys vibe to me but who knows

[twilit quail]

Im waiting for angelina sig so I can maybe record funny video

[drifting quest]

by the looks of it they're gonna push hybrid stuff more so it could be fangyi as nature electric hybrid

[woeful plume]

does anyone have showcase of laeva in ult charge set?

[drifting quest]

im trying to find them but i dont understand chinese so its taking time

a lot just dont show gear set so i cant tell if they're p5 or on the right set

[dry kindle]

Or make everything more aids

[terse furnace]

Is my math wrong or is the first pog combo only 3 stacks?

Lifeng Battle
Chen Combo
Dapan Skill
Pog Ult/Skill don't apply vuln in these scenarios

[dry kindle]

Phys after another 12 team updates

[drifting quest]

and for every 1 triag or marble there's 15 rhodagns

[terse furnace]

Let my girl Gilberta out of the cage, she deserves a DPS to support

[dry kindle]

Just look for p5 vfx

Smh

[drifting quest]

i mean gilb electric looks pretty real

[terse furnace]

It does, but I want an actual Nature DPS that can make use of Gilb's constant nature infliction lmao

[sterile patrol]

think theyre assuming pot5 da pan no?

[terse furnace]

I actually had no idea Da Pan P5 applied one more stack, ty

[twilit quail]

ah I made a notational error

cause Im transcribing it from an infographic

[drifting quest]

im sorry what

[twilit quail]

lol??

[dry kindle]

🔥

[drifting quest]

109s

???

[sterile patrol]

[dry kindle]

Fraudagn

[drifting quest]

NO

iTS MARBLE

???????

[dry kindle]

The fuck you mean marble

Crit set op

Gg

Go next

[drifting quest]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Jy6kB9EQi

[twilit quail]

im gonna ask someone I know about this

[dry kindle]

Were fucked

[twilit quail]

hold up

[drifting quest]

please no

[dry kindle]

😭

[stoic dragon]

[drifting quest]

let it be a misleading title

[main jasper]

Is the difference between 3 vulnerable breach and 2 vulnerable breach worth the extra skillpoint (with Lifeng and Chen)?

[outer ermine]

[drifting quest]

i dont get it

[twilit quail]

ok no it's just malding for crit

[drifting quest]

yeah

[twilit quail]

almost every important hit crits

this is not real

it's fine

[drifting quest]

ok

safe

[sterile patrol]

phew

[outer ermine]

the range strat was real

[drifting quest]

im in hell bro

these players man

[gaunt mason]

holy shit lmfao

my endmin could never

[twilit quail]

ok it wasnt an error this is just the p5 da pan version

[dry kindle]

Wheelchair comp go

[real palm]

this is theorycrafting. the job of this channel is to make Ember good.

[twilit quail]

I dont have sub p5 version on hand

[lime bear]

holy peak finally +2 of my Twilight

[twilit quail]

unfortunately

[terse furnace]

wait actually, wouldn't the sequencing be a little weird? Da Pan's combo would pop up and slow down your ability to use Pog's combo cuz you'd have to stall for his combo to disappear from the screen, or else your Da Pan combo cd would be too long (20 seconds, no ult buff)

[twilit quail]

Im sure I could remember if I tried but I dont know if I can be assed

[lime bear]

for the final one I can just use gel right

300 gel

[drifting quest]

yeah

or you can hold it

[mystic halo]

I understand how you are feeling but please dont use this as a place to complain about users in other channels

[drifting quest]

the last ones for line 1 and 2 are 450

[drifting quest]

these are the bilibili videos im searching though

but i can not do it too

[lime bear]

dang, anyway I should upgrade int first right before atk

both are +3 rn

[mystic halo]

oh is it? cause chinese users sometime come to english help section

and so that's what I thought it was

if it's a video go off bro

[drifting quest]

yeah no one in the server

[mystic halo]

LMAO

[dry kindle]

🔥

Ok I eep

[drifting quest]

its like the third search term im trying and im finding ember laev and mi security lave

[real palm]

I use Ember for everything, but I'm not offended

[drifting quest]

over energy build

[dry kindle]

Surely I will wake up to 3/3 forge essence

[drifting quest]

idgi

[twilit quail]

this is fixed with correct team order

[dry kindle]

🗿

[twilit quail]

because whether they are spots1-4

affect which order the combos pop in

[dry kindle]

Just search better

[twilit quail]

if they are triggered by the same instance of damage or whatever

[drifting quest]

i went and asked people i know who speak chinese to spoonfeed me search terms lmao

oh

is this a laev solo marble trim

[twilit quail]

it's really funny cause the guy at the head of the developments

[drifting quest]

not marble

triagg

[twilit quail]

the head of R&D, simply

[terse furnace]

Da Pan's combo trigger always occurs before Pog's though, they don't trigger off the same instance

We'd have to stall for Da Pan's combo to disappear from the screen

[twilit quail]

made a video about this

and the comments are all "I dont want to use the fucking panda"

[terse furnace]

BUT THE PANDA'S SO COOL

[outer ermine]

fuckin based my kind of ppl

[dry kindle]

Just give us p5 endmin already

[twilit quail]

you do yeah but it's fine cause it doesnt interfere with the timeline

also lifeng needs to be before panda in the order

[rugged vale]

1 pot per year

[twilit quail]

for later down the line

[dry kindle]

Bleh

[twilit quail]

because there is a bug currently with the order in which qtes trigger

[manic blade]

I love having to rng roll gears sm fun

[lime bear]

alsoo whole I'm farming for essence feeding I use valley engravings cuz they're cheap anyway and boom, got 3/3 for Thermite peak

[drifting quest]

good match

[manic blade]

GOOD MATCH!

[outer ermine]

40/40

[drifting quest]

oh there's a laev marble solo trim too

[dry kindle]

L

[drifting quest]

2m 20

[twilit quail]

oh and also

[lime bear]

+49?? crazy

[twilit quail]

if you are not handless

you can simply buffer pog skill behind da pan's

[terse furnace]

It's just a little weird to time your combos until after one leaves the screen

But yeah, the planned sequencing I was gonna do was Pog, Lifeng, Chen, Da Pan

[twilit quail]

and the skill will connect before da pan's combo even pops up

and make it a little easier afterwards

[manic blade]

before I artifice is tide fall rlly just BIS at p4

[sterile herald]

would u rather rng to upgrade gear or rng to even get decent gear in the first place and then rng if it upgrades well

[real palm]

anyone know if increased damage vs staggered is in its own bucket? (or maybe gets added to the 30% base stagger bonus?)

[lime bear]

I wanna raise 2nd team and I think I can but I'll just stay in essence mines til all my Laevatain essence are maxed

[twilit quail]

【【终末地】新配装！领先全网的物理队理解！什么是DPSP？】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1tv6GBEEka/ you can see this, 5:03

[lime bear]

how does gear artificing works Anyway? you feed same gear into gear then it rollls chance if it succeeds increasing the stat or no?

[tight haven]

yes

[terse furnace]

oh, Chen 4th slot, that's interesting

[drifting quest]

whats the special vfx for p5 on laev

[tight haven]

if the gear you're feeding has the same stat but higher at base (i.e. 43 int on the fodder vs 41 int on the base gear) it will have a "good" chance

[drifting quest]

before i close this video tab

[tight haven]

the little flower on the back of her waist lights up

[twilit quail]

she gets a bit of glow here and particle effects

[tight haven]

and the red things beside it glow

yeah

[drifting quest]

gdi

today i will find a showcase of the right set

looks inside

[tight haven]

other characters get pretty extreme ones

[drifting quest]

they're all p5

[tight haven]

like yvonnes

[lime bear]

interesting what's the max?

[tight haven]

i think laev's is pretty tasteful though

[tight haven]

+3

[sterile patrol]

Yo iana can I ask something in DMs

[twilit quail]

I prefer not to go through DMs but

if you really must

[tight haven]

to clarify: the max is based on the base value

+41 int base will have a different max from +43 int base

[sterile patrol]

Ah all good then dw

[tight haven]

also applies to the passive effects. +12% ult eff will have a different max value from +20% ult eff will have a different max value from +27% ult eff

this is why we use redeemer seal and not just xiranite kits

it has a higher base and max ult eff

[twilit quail]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1Ef6xBgE2t @terse furnace

2:20 if you wantto see the p5 dapan timing

it doesnt get in the way basically

look at this team's sp cycling man

oh it's beautiful

[sterile patrol]

looks wonderful

[tight haven]

okay dude cmon man. 33 runs for laev essence

bro. please bro. i need this

[lime bear]

does this mean Tangtang 6* or just upcoming operator

[tight haven]

just confirms tangtang will be playable

unsure of her rarity

she could be 5* for all we know

[brisk pecan]

feels like wolf girl and leek girl will be 6*

[tight haven]

seems fangyi, mifu and rossi as well as two ops we havent met yet are also coming

rossi is almost certainly going to be 6*

[brisk pecan]

assuming we only get 3 6* per patch that only leaves one

[tight haven]

she's pretty overtly stated to be more important and more powerful than wulf

like multiple times

[glad niche]

[green ibex]

rossi is future capo of the thumb

[pliant basalt]

Wait so she’s a spell caster leek person?

[brisk pecan]

pink guard is defo 5* lmao

[pliant basalt]

Suppose weapon doesn’t mean Nahrung

Anything

Nvm

[dry mason]

is this leak or ingame?

[terse furnace]

The combo sequencing looks different from the notation you gave, but I understand it now. The Pog battle stack consumption takes a while to come out so the timing isn't as strict as I initially thought

[twilit quail]

actually my curiosity is nagging me now go ahead

[sterile patrol]

4 star it is

[tight haven]

LOL

[sterile patrol]

alright lol

[tight haven]

true

[lime bear]

I think this is from Livestream

[green ibex]

rossi chill

https://tenor.com/view/rozzy-chill-chill-rozzy-tweaking-crazy-gif-16824690043862635155

[dry mason]

[lime bear]

who tf is Lizhiyan tho also there's new male ig with cool ass halo

[terse furnace]

Also, all of these videos you've linked me seem to have Chen as the controlled operator. Any particular reason why?

[main echo]

Likely to be tang tang i think

[twilit quail]

preference

[main echo]

Ss the 5 star

[tight haven]

i actually dont knkw where the info abt lizhiyan came from

[pliant basalt]

She looks cool

[tight haven]

anyone can be controlled op except lifeng in phys

[glad niche]

She's in the game files as a character render, which matches the silohouette in that promo image of Tang Tang

[main echo]

Leek girl will be lightning i hope

[tight haven]

lifeng cant be controlled because his bskill takes like 10 years to perform

[glad niche]

also she's in the trailer for release, briefly...

[tight haven]

well. you CAN control lifeng. you just have to swap off before you use his bskill

[pliant basalt]

I mean she legit rains emerald lighting down on the enemies and we get into wuling Im inclined to agree

[main echo]

Hope shes a dps aswell ayvwenna is cool but i dont like her that much

[tight haven]

if fangyi is a support ill actually shit bricks

[pliant basalt]

In my opinion she gives archon/emanator/void hunter vibes

[tight haven]

theres no way they gave her an entire aurafarming cutscene only to make her a support

[pliant basalt]

So like

[glad niche]

Leek is surely the 6* electric dps

[pliant basalt]

I don’t think she’s gonna be support

[main echo]

I dont want her to be a support but if she does i hope she replaces perlica as im saving for gilberta in order to have a functional team rn

[reef halo]

avywenna is my 6* dps in my heart

[main echo]

Electric supremacy

[tight haven]

i think it would be chill if fangyi didnt completely invalidate avy

[pliant basalt]

She’s very close to 6* dps with the amount she can put out

Dos wise

[drifting quest]

Mi fu and fangyi are gonna take all the skill expression out of electric

[lime bear]

not a chance lmao, Electric still has no 6* DPS so

[tight haven]

maybe shes an electro heat hybrid

[pliant basalt]

Dual dps comps

[drifting quest]

Truly physical is the only interesting team

[lime bear]

Tangtang seems physical yeah but iirc she used pistol right? kinda funny that the first time we fight alongside her she just stops and pulls gun lmfao

[pliant basalt]

I doubt it there’s many niche things you can do to improve dps like animation cancelling and buff timing and stuff

[lime bear]

thought she's fist and brawler type

[tight haven]

shes a handcannon user yes

we have yet to have a physical handcannon user mind you

[lime bear]

who's Electric gunner

[tight haven]

also electro

but electro also has like

fucking nothing atp

better off than nature ig

[glad niche]

All Electro has is a 3-5 business days build up rotation

[kind ferry]

is there an electric 6*?

[lime bear]

my Arcgoat stonks gonna be so up when Fangyi drops trust

[pliant basalt]

Antal is pretty insane considering he is 4*

[tight haven]

no

antal is pretty nuts but also hes an honorary heat op

[lime bear]

Fangyi/Mi Fu/Arclight/Perlicka

[brisk pecan]

why is the owl licka my eep

[pliant basalt]

Still for being a 4* his debuffs go crazy and makes me wonder what a 6* debugger would look like

[tight haven]

no chance antal doesnt kick perlica out there i fear

unless mifu is an amper

[tight haven]

they'd look like gilberta who's also nuts

[pliant basalt]

Fangyi is leek right

[tight haven]

that said we dont have a 6* amper yet

no

its speculation

[lime bear]

it's ok Perlicka Alter gonna wipe out the cast so is Chen 🔥

[summer flower]

Why only handcannons

No rifles

[pliant basalt]

People say her dmg is good but outside of that she offers 45% art Sus and 35% art% buff with sig

[brisk pecan]

chen alter in a swimsuit v2

[tight haven]

gilbs damage is crazy yeah

[lime bear]

why is Lizhiyan looks like Feixiao distant cousin

[tight haven]

and she can easily get ult up with just two combos

[pliant basalt]

Really?

[tight haven]

yes

her personal damage is just really really good

[main echo]

Prolly js less niche or unique

[pliant basalt]

Bruh makes me even more upset I can’t for the life of me find lae gilb rotations

[main echo]

Perlica?

[tight haven]

its pretty simple

laev combo and wulf ult are your gilb triggers

[pliant basalt]

Im scared of nature inflictions

[tight haven]

you use gilb ult when youre bursting with laev ebskill

[main echo]

Nature dps is goiing to be really strong when u think abt it

[tight haven]

you dont have to be

[main echo]

True debuffer

[tight haven]

it doesnt inflict nature until the ult ends

[main echo]

Btw is gilberts most optimal teamate a phys/arts hybrid as she gains higher buff potential from phys statuses

[tight haven]

gilbs huge pluses are her ult just being ridiculous and also costing 0 sp in any given rotation

you just never have to use her bskill

[graceful forge]

Do yall think rossi is phys or fire?

[tight haven]

she has enough access to ult eff that her 80 energy ult is spammable

[tight haven]

probs fire

[graceful forge]

fr? Dang