no
#theorycrafting
drifting quest
ITS TOO EARLY
solemn pasture
i have been told there is a 2 and a half min last rite clip here anyone seen it
chilly dagger
u get 5 from def not sry
twilit quail
reformatting catdespair
drifting quest
it lets you also write a bit more about chen / lifeng / dapan / endmin on the main page
kindred sorrel
these are the 6 stars from those collab events. ash/ela/marcille are characters from their respective media, yato is an arknights character but wearing the kirin set from monster hunter
rugged vale
Pot5 yato 💳
kindred sorrel
then theres a bunch of smaller crossovers that were mostly just skins for arknights characters
daring dove
these are the 6 stars from those collab events. ash/ela/marcille are characters ...
Ah fair then, so maybe we will get some cool collab characters in the future.
twilit quail
it lets you also write a bit more about chen / lifeng / dapan / endmin on the ma...
I could definitely just whip up another subpage
that might be the way go to cause
god there is so much
kindred sorrel
like this is a skin for surtr that is technically a collab skin with I.T (hong kong fashion company)
twilit quail
fuck me
kindred sorrel
im sure endfield will eventually do collabs
solemn pasture
like this is a skin for surtr that is technically a collab skin with I.T (hong k...
hong kong mentioned 🔥
kindred sorrel
didnt know they were a hong kong company tbh, but i saw quite a few of their stores in mainland china
twilit quail
I will also be leaving for china in a few days
so I hope there arent any significant developments while Im not home
copium
drifting quest
I could definitely just whip up another subpage
the only downside is that now you have to deal with people who wont read the subpage because its on a subpage
solemn pasture
^
kindred sorrel
btw, i assume the links in the google spreadsheet need to be opened via chrome or something
solemn pasture
there are too many people who don't know how spreadsheets work
kindred sorrel
because they dont work in firefox 
solemn pasture
if its firefox you're having issues, it might be because its not chromium? xD
solemn pasture
real
bronze plume
hello
bronze plume
thats somewhat accurate
rugged kiln
I could definitely just whip up another subpage
I love reading
twilit quail
it's always been fine for me
bronze plume
besides the firefox offshoots
kindred sorrel
might just be something on my end then
solemn pasture
oof
bronze plume
i use librewolf
drifting quest
i really dont know what the issue is
kindred sorrel
for example, clicking this just opens a new tab with the same page
drifting quest
it just does not like some people
twilit quail
for example, clicking this just opens a new tab with the same page
Ive never encountered this issue before in any sheet Ive used
so when people told me about this I was flabbergasted
kindred sorrel
ye idk, it doesnt seem to work in edge either
and i dont have chrome installed so i cant check there
bronze plume
the sheet just doesnt work properly have the time
doesnt work in librewolf with those links
kindred sorrel
but i assume it works on iana's side?
bronze plume
doesnt work on chrome either
i wonder if its a device thing rather then a web browser thing
kindred sorrel
maybe its just google permissions being a bit wonky for viewers
drifting quest
honestly ive considered making a subpar google doc port of all the information
so that people who cant read the sheet can read the doc
kindred sorrel
managed to 4 tap my gloves strength line using higher strength gloves as materials 
drifting quest
i did the ult charge on my laev build in about 30 total
bronze plume
oh its feb 1st
drifting quest
pretty happy with it
kindred sorrel
ye ive finished all the ult charge lines to the breakpoint
so im working on int lines
my redeemer seals are only at +1 int lines each
daring dove
Which boss am I supposed to face to get ATK boost + Twilight?
This one has Twilight but no ATK boost is possible.
Sorry this is more of a help question I guess.
drifting quest
wuling
valid zealot
manic blade
Do we know alternative for tidefall if u don’t need tidefall yet 🥺
Or have one cycle vs 2 cycle hot works calcs 🥺🥺🥺
One day I’ll find out 🥺🥺🥹🥹🥹🥹
solemn pasture
could not find the 150s clip :(
manic blade
there was a long discussion about it earlier
One cycle two cycle or p4 armor alts?
drifting quest
tide chest vs lynx slab
rugged kiln
tide chest vs lynx slab
did you artifice the ult gain set too?
manic blade
Hmm 🤔 I mean I’ve alr artificed hella into hot work kits /:
twilit quail
it lets you also write a bit more about chen / lifeng / dapan / endmin on the ma...
the thing is this makes me want to like
also write about the rotation
cause it's important to undersatnd why the gearing is th way ti is
and that is
I dont know if I want to
cause then people are gonna go oh where is rotatino for x or y
kindred sorrel
I wonder how many people are slab gaming
probably the people that follow random youtubers
pliant basalt
does anyone have lae gilb rotations
manic blade
Like at p4 how much of my combo would I have to miss to not get 2 cycle ult with no energy gain
twilit quail
there isn't a rotation as much as there is a
vague idea of how you should oneshot things
manic blade
Is it tight enough where it’s worth to just run tidefall anyways
twilit quail
it's an open world thing mostly and you shouldnt think of it as a
rotation
as much as a set sequence to 100-0 the boss
because there isnt really a rotation to actually be done efficiently
drifting quest
cause then people are gonna go oh where is rotatino for x or y
could ask some people to coauthor rotation guides for other teams i guess
twilit quail
that's an idea
it's just that
god all of the problems
are just caused by physical
drifting quest
i was going to include some sample rotations in the faq doc i have going
drifting quest
so you could just take a section there too if you want rotations written
twilit quail
no matter what I dont think there's any way around
the elephant that must be addressed
which is the sheer mass of what we could run on pog
maybe leaving it for now and just waiting for the dust to settle
is the smartest thing to do
I'm going to colour code some stuff and try to make it a bit more heuristically readable
please tangtang end my suffering
please come out first thing next patch and get this shit over with
surely right
drifting quest
she should be 1st banner next patch
its just if a) shes actually phys
b) isnt a chen replacement instead
drifting quest
id doubt it is a chen replacement but im not here to jinx it
twilit quail
we need to accumulate some like
virtual karma for her
so she doesnt suddenly lose her job
tight haven
i feel like rotations are something you ought not write out as a strict thing
mostly because it encourages people to be really stupid ime
like they fail to perform a rotation and the immediate conclusion is "oh this is unplayable"
tight haven
yeah i would write about openers and about what each action does
twilit quail
ok physical also has
tight haven
idk what ianas doing
twilit quail
really fucked up stuff in this regard
cause there are
delayed openers
re-openers
situations where cutting your rotation in half is good
situations where you WANT TO WHIFF AUTOS
physical is to blame!
it's all physical's fault!
tight haven
but id do smth like "ebskill on lifeng triggers xiranite" or "you dont need to wait for 4 stacks of vuln for pog breach on mobs, you should just kill"
pointers and openers rather than writing out full rots
tight haven
Work
swift tundra
do we have the numbers on etching chance? What are the chances for low and very low?
twilit quail
thirsting after my voice
drifting quest
LMAO?
tight haven
corpse husband reconvener
twilit quail
it's happened on youtube it's happened on discord it's happened in video games
twilit quail
and as much as a video would be good at communicating things
tight haven
on the neural cloud discord
twilit quail
I am not sure if I want to attract that same audience again
and so out of concern for my personal safety
tight haven
crazy memory to dig up
twilit quail
you know
tight haven
fair fair
drifting quest
time to pull out the bilibili text to speech
tight haven
yeah and editing is a lot of work
twilit quail
I am a semi-competent editor but setting things up
and recording proper footage again
pain in the ass
twilit quail
I REMEMBER LMAOOO
it's been like 3 years
do you know
i still get requests to access the fucking pnc sheet sometimes?
I would love to have storytime but this really isnt the place
tight haven
yeah it aint
astral walrus
Anyone know difference between rapid ascent or max dupe sundering steel on Chen?
twilit quail
in shatter steel is better
in premium phys uhhhh
I think ascent is slightly better with no dupe
very very small difference because ascent was nerfed going into live
astral walrus
Ok, so I already have a lvl 90 steel and 3/3 engraving for it by dumb luck so sticking with that
Thx
solemn pasture
I would love to have storytime but this really isnt the place
sounds like a wild ass couple stories
yeesh though
manic blade
300 ult cost 255 with p4 enhanced skills are what like 76
I can’t find the #s I had ):
solemn pasture
oh yeah what is the point of AI operators rn, like I get we can use their skills, combos and ults but what the hell else do they do
i see them schwacking other enemies but sometimes it feels like they do kiddie damage
maybe that's because I'm doing a LR team and that's why it feels that way but
y'k
keen venture
Anyone knows if antal detonation weapon effect triggers in any way in Leviathan team or should i just switch to stanza. All guides say to use this weapon even in leviathan team and it makes no sense to me.
solemn pasture
Anyone knows if antal detonation weapon effect triggers in any way in Leviathan ...
he can +1 heat infliction with combo i believe, which meets the arts burst requirement for det unit's arts susceptibility
rugged kiln
oh yeah what is the point of AI operators rn, like I get we can use their skills...
I think it's a system that they will build on with future operators
I do see the potential there
Might be wrong too so who knows
keen venture
he can +1 heat infliction with combo i believe, which meets the arts burst requi...
Didnt arts inflictions need 2 of the same effects like electricity followed by electricity or does hes effect trigger of other characters arts infliction ?
I mean arts burst
After the wielder applies an Arts Burst, target enemy suffers Arts DMG taken +14.4% for 15s. Effects of the same name cannot stack.
description for detaonation weapon
its suppose to be bis weapon for him
solemn pasture
Didnt arts inflictions need 2 of the same effects like electricity followed by e...
arts burst is when you add 1 more of the same arts infliction on top of the current one
which is what his combo does
solemn pasture
yep
solemn pasture
I do see the potential there
from what i saw of somebody's calc snowshine has the highest stagger rate of the whole cast, 2nd being akekuri
keen venture
its hard to see what buffs they got so its hard to figure it out
solemn pasture
so if snowshine can actually put that shit to use and if she gets a couple minor buffs I would gladly put her back on my LR team again
keen venture
Some guides are so off with gear recommendations its scarry sometimes had to go trough everything today and figure how everything works from ground up to fix it all.
manic blade
It’s honestly a mess rn 🥲
bronze plume
just use
the guide in the team build pins
if you care so much to not figure it out yoself ez
keen venture
if you care so much to not figure it out yoself ez
I like to understand things so finally done with everything so taking my time to understand how calculations and everything works in detail
manic blade
^ it is one of the better options there is just so much slop builds with no thought out there rn 😭
bronze plume
i mean yeah
thats kinda how it happens for any games with builds and websites existing
knowing the dogshit websites is half the battle
manic blade
Is anyone trying to do calcs on hot works vs one cycle ult energy gain build rn?
Every artifice I question I’m wasting on hot works…
rugged kiln
thats kinda how it happens for any games with builds and websites existing
That's like 95% of the stuff that's out there right now lol
chilly dagger
knowing the dogshit websites is half the battle
any reliable sources for endfield
bronze plume
check the pins in #team-build
kind ferry
in a physical team with pog, ardelia, chen, panda, is there any point in using panda skill instead of chen's? he doesn't get anything out of it afaik
manic blade
Disc a bit annoying only found pieces I didn’t see much
kind ferry
in a physical team with pog, ardelia, chen, panda, is there any point in using p...
while chen stacks both her passive and sundering
drifting quest
A) Da Pan usually stacks more arts intensity and hence applies more stagger
B) P5 Da Pan can apply 2 stacks of vuln once every 45s
midnight stirrup
Some guides are so off with gear recommendations its scarry sometimes had to go ...
Holy shit
Is that a Tera profile picture
drifting quest
if you're low invest so no arts intensity and not p5 pan then sure can probably chen skill
midnight stirrup
Bro just slapped me in the face with nostalgia
kind ferry
A) Da Pan usually stacks more arts intensity and hence applies more stagger
B) P...
yeah, i'm p1, so i wasn't missing anything, ty
drifting quest
as soon as da pan has more arts intensity than chen swap over to him stacking
kind ferry
ok i see, so panda it is
bronze plume
do i need to change anything
naur
vagrant sparrow
everytime i do essence stage i start feeling like why tf am i doing this i could just be farming credits or something
is all fails
😭
solemn pasture
congrats
turbid elm
Lol there is neither pot option for Firebuckle and Umbraline
1.1 then hahahah
No seeds, no pot
solemn pasture
that's why you go to wuling and get fluffed jincao
solemn pasture
No seeds, no pot
and you can get lucky and get firebuckle/umbraline from using fertilizer on buckflower and citromes
turbid elm
Ok then that one better cause is no rng
Thanks for the information 👌
hollow stream
Antal is my fave character, whats the build im replacing rite
valid zealot
You plant the normal one and get some rarer when harvest them.
tranquil burrow
there's something wrong with this picture
fluid frost
Antal is my fave character, whats the build im replacing rite<:PerliStareYou:117...
crit.. 😭
fluid frost
yup
cerulean wigeon
sheeeesh
fluid frost
or instead of arc you can use ake
midnight stirrup
Why Oblivion on Antal
fluid frost
arclight has a weird setup
hollow stream
aight thanks cant wait for antal to get a skin
fluid frost
Why Oblivion on Antal
dps antal 🗣️
hollow stream
Alr
hollow stream
Why Oblivion on Antal
see the 200k stagger and youll want to build him too 
midnight stirrup
dps antal 🗣️
fluid frost
^^ 
midnight stirrup
200k stagger damage is nothing at endgame tbh
hollow stream
is there a unit here that can stagger really really fast?
midnight stirrup
But good to see youre enjoying something unique
hollow stream
200k stagger damage is nothing at endgame tbh
yes but lizard gaming
dry mason
midnight stirrup
LR and Perlica stagger pretty fast
fluid frost
lizard gaming 🗣️
hollow stream
could u technically make a staggerbot build for units that want stagger really fast?
fluid frost
true hmm
solemn pasture
from what i hear from one dude who did some calcs before snowshine staggers the fastest
ake is 2nd fastest
bronze plume
accurate
hollow stream
snowshine in ard out make snowshine a stagger bot
solemn pasture
i think her stagger comes from her final strike and parry
hollow stream
O damn
solemn pasture
can't rly remember tho so factcheck me
i do remember she does big enough stagger that even akekuri with her faster staggers can't keep up
signal thistle
which is the priority to buy in wuling shop, engraving permits or artificing catalysts?
fluid frost
200k stagger damage is nothing at endgame tbh
its kinda hard to hit with antal 😔
laevatain and dapan could prob hit that no problem
solemn pasture
which is the priority to buy in wuling shop, engraving permits or artificing cat...
depends. there are some essences for weapons you can only get in wuling
bronze plume
basically if need essence from wuling for weapons then engraving if not catalysts
rugged kiln
from what i hear from one dude who did some calcs before snowshine staggers the ...
I will make a full defender team one day for staggermaxxing
bronze plume
I will make a full defender team one day for staggermaxxing
good luck wit dat
clearly the 4th defender is shu
gritty olive
rugged kiln
If we’re going by the state of defenders in the OG AK
keen venture
Is that a Tera profile picture
yeah it is 😛
gritty olive
If we’re going by the state of defenders in the OG AK
guardification of defenders 
only shu and yu are recently the only defender defenders
solemn pasture
I will make a full defender team one day for staggermaxxing
i have a team where i paired snowshine and ember together
gritty olive
wait wtf discord changed where it sources its gifs from
bronze plume
theres gotta be a website for these right
gritty olive
who tf is this
drifting quest
vanguards are just cheap guards who give sp
defenders are just tanky guards who dont deal as much damage
snipers are just ranged guards
casters are just magic ranged guards
medics are just anti guards
supporters are just guards with helpful bonuses
specialists are just niche guards
solemn pasture
theres gotta be a website for these right
not yet lol, i'm also struggling with those
bronze plume
who tf is this
mines fine
drifting quest
fortunately i have mine at m9, same goes for her husband
what about the third member of the polycule
gritty olive
what about the third member of the polycule
only m6
s1 is not useful in is5 so i didnt
however for the other two people m9 is probably good
drifting quest
i was going to say s1 scales better at like middlish amounts of aspd but its is5
lampge
gritty olive
s2 is her "main skill" although s3 sees use in some select maps
gritty olive
who am i to know i just play three men and i "consistently" win
bronze plume
that setting does in fact have 2/3 of her essence selected
gritty olive
i can only get engraving with lvl 3 or lvl 4 subpac?
mine still barren so i can get it to work sooner if thats the case
gritty olive
i dont see any proper goods in wuling
fluid frost
bronze plume
its the stock redistribution that handles what you can buy within regions
vagrant sparrow
so now that i have the laevatain essence who do i try to get essence for
in her team
🤔
i need fodder to upgrade her essence so might as well farm someone else
daring dove
If only it was this simple to make end game gold gear. 
bronze plume
i mean gold gear is very simple tbf
stoic dragon
does skill damage bonus affect crush? or is it only art intensity that affects it?
daring dove
i mean gold gear is very simple tbf
daring dove
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975>
Where's the construction for this or does it come magically.
bronze plume
Where's the construction for this or does it come magically. <:E_PoliwhirlConcer...
dont for a second think you can tell me the carbon is complicated
that mf is just like 6 planter units
eternal sluice
does anyone know what gear would count as "good match" vs "standard match" when artificing gear
bronze plume
if the gear unupgraded base has more then what you are trying to upgrade its a good match
eternal sluice
so it depends on the substat im upgrading
bronze plume
yes
tho there are some pieces that no matter what will always be good match
like this kit piece because it only has 2 stats and not 3
it will always have higher base int or battle skill dmg bonus then any 3 stat piece
so if you are every trying to upgrade the int or battle skill dmg bonus on a kit that isnt this kit itself
it will always be a good match
eternal sluice
which piece is that?
bronze plume
hot works kit piece
eternal sluice
ah okay
safe sand
has anyone seen dps perlica w/ oblivion shenanignas
am well aware that it's objectively bad am just wondering if anyone's even done it
turbid ore
am well aware that it's objectively bad am just wondering if anyone's even done ...
not to the endgame extent but I keep oblivion on her for my main acc cuz it's the best weapon I've got for her rn
it's pretty decent filler if nothing else
safe sand
kk
turbid ore
I mainly keep it on her cuz I'm running a weirdcomp with 3 elements lol
so the freebie 5* from node rewards doesn't cover everything
fluid frost
Antal is my fave character, whats the build im replacing rite<:PerliStareYou:117...
i got him to hit 323k with food buff
239k was the highest i hit without
yippie
arclight's buff is too good
outer ermine
lizard gaming
turbid ore
you could say the lizard scales well? 😏
fluid frost
turbid ore
been having a LOT of fun playing around with various skill cycles with my endmin/perlica/chen/gilberta team lol
the combo skill synergy there is ridiculous
it's also silly how forcing a lift state on an enemy mob = you can extend it via regular lift
dreamy stirrup
Minmaxed antal
steel apex
Is swordmancer set bugged or something?
How exactly does the effect work? Cause when I pop my endmin skill it just does 1 tick of damage
Shouldn't it be 2?
ripe parrot
agh I think I can do level 90 rhod with a level 20 team but i need to figure out a way for the non main operators to stop dying ot random things
maybe I just hold everything for stagger every time
dry kindle
agh I think I can do level 90 rhod with a level 20 team but i need to figure out...
You dont
Time to solo bud
steel apex
Has someone tested swordmancer set?
dry kindle
Yeah
fluid frost
agh I think I can do level 90 rhod with a level 20 team but i need to figure out...
lvl 40 and they can prob live
my other operatorss are only 60
but theyre e3 with gold gear
ripe parrot
well if it's technically possible to do it with e0 i'm gonna not upgrade
but sadly it'll be a grind
fluid frost
😔
ripe parrot
i wish we could lower operator elite levels for challenges
but it's not gonna happen since they don't do that with the og arknights either
ornate rapids
lwk the best essence for thermal cutter right?
twilit quail
doesnt have 3rd ability so it is unusable
ripe parrot
you use cutter for the last part mainly
tight haven
nah you want flow
ripe parrot
that's more important than anything else
tight haven
you only use thermite for flow
literally only for flow
youre giving it to an op that will do like 1% of your teams damage
ornate rapids
oh wait i have 1 with flow
tight haven
ideally its flow+3
tight haven
okay it seems enemy drop limit is like, tied to enemy spawns?
like alluvium stopped dropping mats because i spammed it too much
ornate rapids
or will is more important then attack?
tight haven
i just farmed rakerbeast for fur rn
ill come back to pp alluvium in an hour and see if its dropping stuff again
turbid ore
okay it seems enemy drop limit is like, tied to enemy spawns?
have you checked whether the un-domesticated hyenas count towards this for the fillets?
ornate rapids
and which is better for clanniable arts boost or infliction?
tight haven
or will is more important then attack?
thermite is a weapon youre only giving to a support so their damage is not notable. because of this will is generally more valuable since it technically helps them stay alive more
that said attributes are really only notable on supports if they scale off of them like xaihi, alesh and akekuri with intellect
tight haven
have you checked whether the un-domesticated hyenas count towards this for the f...
i did just rn and OTHER hyenas not from alluvium are dropping fillets
twilit quail
only user of this weapon where will is relevant is pog
turbid ore
yeah, they're guranteed drop
tight haven
it might legit just be to stop players from spamming alluvium and getting 100 meat every 30 mins lol
twilit quail
and there's a good chance it's actually bis on pog
turbid ore
from the ones without levels
ornate rapids
only user of this weapon where will is relevant is pog
i do have pog P2
turbid ore
o
tight haven
the ripptusks or whatever
ornate rapids
thinking of build a team for him
tight haven
yea you'd want will/flow then
twilit quail
(his personal damage wont be good anyway)
tight haven
goddamn why is ginseng stew so expensive
8 meat 💔
oh nvm its 4 meat i just made 2 by accident
turbid ore
speaking of pog, I hate how his normal combo pushes superlight/flying enemies back far enough his final strike misses entirely LOL
daring dove
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975>
You actually gave me a decent idea to improve on that 
bronze plume
good job i guess
terse furnace
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975>
Seeing the wasted Sandleaf powder makes me sadge 🥀
steel apex
Has actually someone tested swordmancer cause I can't seem to get the extra hit
ornate rapids
Arts boost or infliction for Clannibale
tight haven
infliction
assuming youre using it on wulf, which you should be, then he also doesnt do respectable damage
well. compared to laev
steel apex
Does someone have a swordmancer set? I wanna check somewhere
viscid crow
which off piece for awywenne is best in your guys opinion
for gloves running 3 bonekrusha
tight haven
pulser gloves
plucky warren
Has actually someone tested swordmancer cause I can't seem to get the extra hit
Simply vuln doesn't count, has to be lift, knockdown, crush, or breach. Also once it procs it has a 15s CD before it procs again.
viscid crow
pulser gloves
oh thank you
steel apex
Simply vuln doesn't count, has to be lift, knockdown, crush, or breach. Also onc...
Ok but my endmin skill is crush and it doesn't proc shit
I've tried it with chen too
copper ridge
finally getting units lvl 80+.
are there 3 ranks of Mastery per skill with a max of lvl 12?
do Mastery upgrades scale differently than previous skill upgrades or is it just standard improvement?
fluid frost
is this a good team 
i dunno what cryo teams r good
bronze plume
yvonne needs gilberta to be able to be considered good
fluid frost
yvonne needs gilberta to be able to be considered good
dang it
steel apex
Maybe you just not paying enough attention
Ok but shouldn't it be able to proc on the first use of the skill even if the enemy has no vulnerability stack?
fluid frost
who could i run with alesh?
bronze plume
nobody
plucky warren
Ok but shouldn't it be able to proc on the first use of the skill even if the en...
No, vuln itself isn't a physical status proc
It's a bit misleading
stoic dragon
is this a good team <:thonk:934127467822727250> i dunno what cryo teams r good
I think alesh and estella fit better in shatter team
terse kettle
how hard is it to get Alesh to 600 Intellect?
fluid frost
how hard is it to get Alesh to 600 Intellect?
prob not hard if i can get antal to 600 intellect
but then again this is like
uhh
terse kettle
wow, the weapon contribute more than I thought
fluid frost
yea 😭 😭
stoic dragon
9/9
fluid frost
9/9 <:PerliStareYou:1171270704310792332>
its a wasted essence, i just upgraded it because i couldnt get all 3 and gave up
dry mason
steel apex
No, vuln itself isn't a physical status proc
Ok but crush is a physical status and endmin's battle skill is specifically crush
Unless it only specifically procs when crushing vuln stacks which is dumb
And doesn't also explain why my chen doesn't also get the free strike
In the case of lift, shouldn't swordmancer proc on chen's battle skill and even her combo skill?
Btw do we have damage calcs? Cause my battle skill doesn't seem to be doing as much damage as it says
stoic dragon
Btw do we have damage calcs? Cause my battle skill doesn't seem to be doing as m...
maybe because the enemy has resistance
steel apex
maybe because the enemy has resistance
It's the same across normal landbreaker and rho
dry kindle
Every enemy has 0.5x you can't interact with
steel apex
I see so that makes sense why my battle skill does 2x multiplier instead of 2.5x
Ok now that I understand, what I don't get is where is my swordmancer proc
stoic dragon
how is the calculation for enchant effects on breach and others?
steel apex
Is chen's battle skill 2 hits or just 1?
dry kindle
how is the calculation for enchant effects on breach and others?
Multiplier
stoic dragon
Is chen's battle skill 2 hits or just 1?
1
woeful timber
Giving up on trying to get one with all 3 for now, which would be better between these 2? Int or atk?
steel hedge
whats better for chen? aspirant or grand vision?
dry kindle
Giving up on trying to get one with all 3 for now, which would be better between...
Neither
Get a 3/3
woeful timber
whats better for chen? aspirant or grand vision?
Sundering Steel if you have it at max dupes, the 5 star. For 6 stars she wants Grand Vision> Eminent repute > rapid ascent
But the 5 star is better for her and more accessible
cerulean wigeon
whats better for chen? aspirant or grand vision?
rapid ascent
woeful timber
Also Endmin wants Grand Vision more I’m pre sure
cerulean wigeon
is bis
dry kindle
The fuck is chen doing with vision
cerulean wigeon
^
tight haven
Giving up on trying to get one with all 3 for now, which would be better between...
get one with all three
woeful timber
tight haven
please do not waste your resources on etching this
but if youre just gonna settle on one for now, atk% is better
steel hedge
i see, i have sunder but only at pot1
woeful timber
Prydwen is stupid
The differences are so minimal it’s supposed to be used as a reference point, not a bible.
dry kindle
Its a shit reference point as well
woeful timber
It clearly shows what all the weapons do and groups everything together to easily compare. If you can’t read for yourself and come to your own conclusion then that’s on you.
dry kindle
No one using prydwen can read
woeful timber
Says the dude who’s too illiterate to see the accurate information in front of him and thinks spewing “Prydwen bad” makes him seem edgy
urban ferry
@dry kindle do you know which gear piece im supposed to artifice first
glove gives +6 stat
chest gives +5
kit gives +3
ember stag
How is wulfgard damage contribution towards laeva team? i kinda make him as applicator slave rn
urban ferry
dry kindle
Says the dude who’s too illiterate to see the accurate information in front of h...
accurate
vision at 109% solo
Yeah uh sure
urban ferry
but, kit is the only one that has any "good match"
dry kindle
Just go by stats
dry kindle
but, kit is the only one that has any "good match"
Higher stat on upgrade fodder than target gear = good match
urban ferry
Right
My glove has no option for good match, only standard
BUUUUUUUT it does give the highest stat increase per success
woeful timber
>accurate
>vision at 109% solo
Yeah uh sure
Again, those numbers are references the actual weapons stats are all posted together I just didn’t open up the tabs so you could see all the weapons instead. If you can’t read and compare things on your own and rely on the % numbers Prydwen makes up then that’s just proves your incompetence and nothing else.
It’s a reference point, not a holy bible to base all your decisions off of.
tight haven
whats better for chen? aspirant or grand vision?
id really not use either, aspirant isnt good and grand vision is literally just a stat stick
bronze plume
prydwen shouldnt even be used as a reference point tbf
tight haven
do you happen to have sundering steel
proud vector
How does ultimate energy work? (Sorry I meant the base mechanic haha)
bronze plume
more ult gain = more ult gain
proud vector
16~ per skill used?
bronze plume
it just increases the amount of ult gained via things that give you ult by a % amount
proud vector
No I’m trying to understand how much base ult charge things give
So I can calculate the final value after applying that multiplier
plucky warren
>accurate
>vision at 109% solo
Yeah uh sure
They compare numbers to Rapid Ascent which is supposed to be her signature
proud vector
The base values aren’t really listed anywhere so
bronze plume
i mean most things just tell you how much ult it gives
plucky warren
But idk if numbers are even right
proud vector
They do??
bronze plume
woeful timber
prydwen shouldnt even be used as a reference point tbf
So you’d rather go through all the weapons 1 by 1 in game and screenshot them so you can compare the stats side by side rather than going to a website that does all that for you? Seems like a waste of time but whatever floats your boat.
You don’t use Prydwen for the tier lists, you use it as a site that gathers all the information you need and puts it onto a single page so you can easily compare and make a decision for yourself.
proud vector
Yes but that’s with an ultimate energy gain mechanic
What about just a basic skill from say ardelia
That’s not listed is it?
bronze plume
So you’d rather go through all the weapons 1 by 1 in game and screenshot them so...
id rather use a site that has actually reliable
woeful timber
id rather use a site that has actually reliable
Like?
proud vector
It definitely gives ultimate energy teamwide when I use skills but
tight haven
No I’m trying to understand how much *base* ult charge things give
battle skills give every op in the team 25 ult energy iirc (assuming it consumes 100 sp)
bronze plume
What about just a basic skill from say ardelia
i dont think finisher attacks are listed anywhere tbf
proud vector
I can’t seem to track down a set number
tight haven
returned sp doesnt generate ult energy mind you
woeful timber
id rather use a site that has actually reliable
Also define “reliable” because all tier lists are just biased bs and none of them are reliable. Please do elaborate how copy and pasted weapon and skill descriptions from the game are “unreliable”.
tight haven
combo skills give ONLY the op who used that combo skill an amount of ult energy that i legit cannot remember
bronze plume
i hate new leafs
tight haven
it might just be 25 as well
proud vector
So using 4 skills should give full ult charge to characters with 100 ultimate energy requirements?
bronze plume
i mean you might just be able to eye ball it
tight haven
but some bskills and some cskills also give additional amounts of ult energy
plucky warren
Base numbers I saw in a video are 6.5 to all ops per battle and 10 to user for combo but that sounds low if your numbers are anything to go by
bronze plume
if it does 25 or not
tight haven
Base numbers I saw in a video are 6.5 to all ops per battle and 10 to user for c...
oh wait this sounds more accurate
sorry cbt brain is taking over i think
those are cbt1 numbers from me
it is probably the 6.5/10 figure
bronze plume
bro wym cbt brain we wernt in cbt1
proud vector
So it’s what, 14??? Battle skill before ulti?
tight haven
beef ive been fuckin chatting for weeks abt cbt1 during cbt2
proud vector
That doesn’t sound right at all tbh
tight haven
trying to understand what went so wrong
bronze plume
beef ive been fuckin chatting for weeks abt cbt1 during cbt2
i didnt need to know gang
dry kindle
But fluorite with 10 who knows
proud vector
Real sp consumed? So like the refund skills give less energy??
tight haven
but yeah if a skill lists additional ult energy gain then also add that
tight haven
Real sp consumed? So like the refund skills give less energy??<:PerliWheeze:1171...
yes
tight haven
sp return is always specifically referred to as such
proud vector
Ohhh thanks
plucky warren
Return sp is stuff like Pog p1
tight haven
if a skill generates sp but doesnt say its returned then its not returned
bronze plume
like this
returns is underlined
letting you know it uses the sp return terminology
tight haven
laev has additional ult energy gain on her enhanced bskill and cskill for example
tight haven
no sadly
fluid frost
fluorite doesnt cause any arts reaction right? or does it still trigger as long as its over 4
proud vector
The factory could always be more optimal
steel apex
Can anyone with a phys team send footage of them actually getting rhe free hit from swordmancer set?
bronze plume
naur it couldnt be
tight haven
fluorite doesnt cause any arts reaction right? or does it still trigger as long ...
she doesnt force-apply any arts reactions
proud vector
Flourite doesn’t naturally cause reactions she only applies what is already there….
It’s on final hit too so no timing shenadigans to trick it
proud vector
Well no, but you would have to use battle skill instead
fluid frost
😔
proud vector
That said I do love her battle skill
tight haven
she can, you would just have to apply a non-nature infliction first
bronze plume
actually i wonder
tight haven
then fluorites bskill
fluid frost
im on a mission to make all 4* a dps, even catcher
bronze plume
her battle skill applies nature infliction
proud vector
Can chuck that shit out and just regen sp since it doesn’t aggro
bronze plume
so her battle skill could do a arts reaction'
steel hedge
if i use dps endmin in physical team. should i crush all the vulnerability? or consume them with pog?
proud vector
Consume the most stacks with pog for SP efficiency I think?
fluid frost
she can, you would just have to apply a non-nature infliction first
ohh, 👁️
proud vector
Yeah you can do it with battle skill
tight haven
if i use dps endmin in physical team. should i crush all the vulnerability? or c...
breach with pog then stack up again and crush with endmin
plucky warren
if i use dps endmin in physical team. should i crush all the vulnerability? or c...
Alternate breach and crush
tight haven
yeah
steel hedge
ohh okiee noted, ty guys
proud vector
You’d want higher stacks on the breach triggers for more SP for poggers, but otherwise yeah just stack and go brr
tight haven
yeah lifeng and pog are your vuln bots
well lifeng is a lot of things honestly
just dont use him as a controlled op
steel hedge
thats why lifeng is so good
i dont have him sadly so my rotations gonna be so long
plucky warren
speaking of Endmin dps should you always eat crystal with battle skill or burst it with ult w/ buffs when you can
bronze plume
i dont have him sadly so my rotations gonna be so long<:PerliDerp:11463421578258...
give me a ardelia and ill give you a lifeng
hell take my last rite lifeng and pog for 3 ardelia
steel hedge
give me a ardelia and ill give you a lifeng
i have 3 dupe of her
proud vector
Dayum so vanguards being SP recovery and not SP return like defenders and LR is actually pretty important to the ultimate charge economy
bronze plume
i hate this game
tight haven
Dayum so vanguards being SP recovery and not SP return like defenders and LR is ...
yes
this is why phys is able to shit out ults
manic blade
The factory could always be more optimal
Wuling is hurting my head trying to optimize
viscid crow
what would the best team for awywenna be? im usung awy archlight perlica andal rn
proud vector
I still feel like 6.5 ultimate charge per 100 is a bit lower than I thought it would be
Hmm
bronze plume
avy, arclight, perlica, gilberta/ardelia/antal
tight haven
gilb ideally as 4th
dry kindle
Dayum so vanguards being SP recovery and not SP return like defenders and LR is ...
Rite is basically a vanguard
30sp final strike go brr
bronze plume
yeah gilberta is the ideal 4th
tight haven
her grouping is insane for avy
and also having the highest susc application through ult
proud vector
what is this, fckin venti?!
bronze plume
ardelia is only at 149% trust
manic blade
What is a vanguard again…
proud vector
The nostalgia
dry kindle
<:PerliStare:1171270701840334908> I still feel like 6.5 ultimate charge per 100 ...
Its to everyone
bronze plume
venti if he was in a good game
tight haven
What is a vanguard again…
sp printer class
bronze plume
and not a loser of a "god"
proud vector
Its to everyone
Sp is still a shared resource I suppose
You’d still take what 14 battle skills to get ult for everyone
That seems a lot longer than I’d thought tbh
bronze plume
i dont think its possibe to throw hands at someone
unless you remove someone elses hands to then throw their hands
dry kindle
tight haven
You’d still take what 14 battle skills to get ult for everyone
mind you combos account for a large portion of ult gen
proud vector
Yeah 10 solo
But yeah not looking good for our gal Flourite and her 40s combo cooldown LOL
tight haven
add ult eff into the mix and it's easy to see how rotations can become quite short
yeah
uh
haha.
fringe dirge
What's the difference between lift and knockdown?
They both apply vulnerable, add another stack of vulnerable if they are already vulnerable, and CC vulnerable enemies
proud vector
why tf is it 40 AAAAA
bronze plume
one make enemy go up other make enemy go down
bronze plume
no idea on the amount of base stagger
tight haven
the only time lift does something different is with gilberta ult
okay man.
one is up.
bronze plume
UP DOWN UP DOWN
fringe dirge
Kinda wish knockdown had an effect if you used it on a lifted enemy like in Xenoblade
bronze plume
anyway
tight haven
the only time lift does something different is with gilberta ult
gilb's ult forces weaker, liftable enemies to levitate for 5 seconds
it's really fucking funny
bronze plume
it should do extra on a already lifted enemy and vice versa i agree
fringe dirge
Also which set is better on Da Pan?
Yingling or Swordmancer?
proud vector
so like a standard Xali LR combo is 240 real sp spent… 2x is 480, which is 31.2 global energy from battle skills….
gulp
Man LR gets her ult really quick quickly doesn’t she from her unique ult charge mechanics, she can quite literally get to ult in 2 rotations
tight haven
Also which set is better on Da Pan?
Yingling or Swordmancer?
neither. aethertech
bronze plume
like if im just chilling and get knockdown that hurts
but if im in the air and then get knockdown im getting a concussion
tight haven
and use the strength xiranite core on him for ult eff, and make the ult eff +1 (+29.7%) so he has comfier rotations
gritty olive
ive gotten a feel of stuff
fringe dirge
Oh damn aethertech does seem better
bronze plume
they call me stuff
gritty olive
@tight haven do you want me to try p5 temporarily
tight haven
<@699478172898557972> do you want me to try p5 temporarily
how temporarily
also what do you want me to do
fringe dirge
Man I looked at a guide online and they recommended Yinglung or Swordmancer
gritty olive
ill do cranked stats
gritty olive
also what do you want me to do
im good now
turbid elm
Can Ember trigger her combo skill to herself?
tight haven
Man I looked at a guide online and they recommended Yinglung or Swordmancer
yeah a lot of this stuff is annoyingly super outdated
gritty olive
ill add extra intellect, extra 15% dmg @tight haven
tight haven
phys is a team thats being constantly iterated upon but da pan is comfortably always going to use 3pcs aethertech with one ult eff kit
gritty olive
but not energy
gritty olive
not energy?
NO. im already done with video recording
tight haven
oh
copper ridge
how important are Akekuri's skills?
the utility of skills only improves on Ult upgrades aye?
fringe dirge
Da Pan's ult giving faster combo skill cooldown makes the rotation super fast I absolutely love it
gritty olive
some poor soul did it for me. im now trying to sim a p5 surtr if you want
this is what i have currently
disregarding her combustion damage
bronze plume
i want death
fringe dirge
Swordmancer though seems specifically built for Chen am I right?
And I'm currently running Yinglung on Estella
dry mason
@valid zealot
gritty olive
sterile herald
sometimes i forget people have wallets
dry mason
I just redo 3 Trimmed medal without food buff
gritty olive
iwtl wp rankings
sterile herald
😭
dry mason
fringe dirge
Also, what's the difference between "all skills dmg dealt bonus" and "physical dmg bonus"?
bronze plume
sometimes i forget people have wallets
only like 25ish is money
sterile herald
only like 25ish is money
really? i didnt even think there were that many availible for f2p
gritty olive
Also, what's the difference between "all skills dmg dealt bonus" and "physical d...
phys dmg% buffs phys dmg
skill dmg% buffs skill dmg
theyre additive to each other if your skill deals phys damage
fringe dirge
If all my skills do physical damage anyways, are they basically the same stat?
bronze plume
really? i didnt even think there were that many availible for f2p
im AL54 i have 5 missions left only 2 areas in the game have chests left and i only have 2 more aurylene upgrades for valley 4 left
gritty olive
if you deal phys, +50%
if you skill. + 30%
if you do phys skill, +80%
@bronze plume for sidequests, all of them are listed in the map right
bronze plume
i need these stupid shits
sterile herald
im AL54 i have 5 missions left only 2 areas in the game have chests left and i o...
ok yeah a bit ahead of me makes sense
fringe dirge
Gotcha, so they're not multiplicative with eachother
gritty olive
the blue triangle thingies
sterile herald
im only 52 and i think 4 areas have chests and aurylene left
bronze plume
i think so
sterile herald
what if they just never add a 2 team mode ever
fringe dirge
I kinda wish I didn't waste all my mats building Last Rite to 90
bronze plume
then i have a 2nd team for whenever i wanna swap it up
playing the same team forever sounds boring af
gritty olive
@bronze plume did you spend alr
bronze plume
i have spent some money yes
bronze plume
if you are to spend get the bp
dry kindle
Buy me bp 
bronze plume
sure
bronze plume
i will during yvonnes banner if you can remind me
bronze plume
if you can have the patience to wait until yvonnes banner and have the bp maxed by then
ill get you it Sworce
tight haven
hold that thought im malding war zone in pgr
bronze plume
unless you do something that makes me not like you
bronze plume
where are these dumb intel gathering spots
i swear we had a website for all of them in cbt2
bronze plume
i always just feel weird spending money on free games
i mean i just have a gambling addiction
joke
bronze plume
i just see at as anything else people spend money on their hobbies
games are one of my hobbies
gritty olive
maybe change tidefall to something that gives more damage
gritty olive
is the ult regen tidefall armour even gives laev
p0 yeah, not sure if p1 affecrs it
bronze plume
ill ask help channel if theres a website for it surely they wont air me again
steel apex
How long does ardelia's phys susceptibility last?
steel apex
Fr?
steel apex
Oh it does
fringe dirge
Goddamn that's so much more vuln than my Estella provides 😭 and hers is 6 second duration
dry kindle
is the ult regen tidefall armour even gives laev
2 ebs 2 combo with
2 ebs 3 combo without
dry kindle
Enhanced battle skill
sterile herald
id show you if i had the game open on my pc rn
swift tundra
Alesh feels like a trap. Akekuri mogs him completely. You want solidification? Heat from Akekuri's skill + any Ice gives you that solidification too. Lmao
bronze plume
hes not a trap
reading his kit and then the 2 cryo dps kits
will let you know he just doesnt work with them
swift tundra
his sp recovery feels nonexistent unless you're playing him to only use combo + ult.
fringe dirge
Alesh is great on physical team with Estella
Estalla battle skill, Alesh Battle skill, Estella combo, Alesh combo
swift tundra
feels like akekuri is better even for Estella phys team. Heat+ice gives you solidification. And akekuri ult + link is way too good for amping burst.
valid zealot
I just redo 3 Trimmed medal without food buff
Wow bravo boss.
fringe dirge
Alesh has really good personal damage too
dry mason
fringe dirge
Look at the multiplier on his skill
Admittedly though Alesh needs some potentials to really shine
turbid elm
Can Ember and Snowshine trigger their combo skill to herself?
fringe dirge
Like pot 3 which gives teamwide atk% buff
sly nymph
are there any other good masteries on phys team other than pog skill/ult
swift tundra
A lot of investment to do decent damage. Not sure if the cost is worth it for a 5* that will eventually be replaced.
copper ridge
at endgame looking for teams to experiment with.
are there really only 5 elements atm?
did OG arkknights have more? what we expect for 6th+ elements?
bronze plume
arknights never really had elements
fringe dirge
Arknights doesn't have elements
sterile herald
i feel like unless they add some new mechanics theres gonna be a lack of team variety
or even character variety in general
fringe dirge
I'm surprised water isn't an element especially since Wuling the water region is the second one
swift tundra
i feel like unless they add some new mechanics theres gonna be a lack of team va...
every team besides electro having that build stack, spend stack playstyle does that.
sterile herald
yeah im saying
fringe dirge
Physical seems really like a wasted opportunity
sterile herald
like for new characters with the current mechanics all i can really think of is "x character but now they gen sp" "y character but the numbers are bigger" "z character but an extra stack" etc
im really unsure how they can spice it up
fringe dirge
It seems inspired by the Xenoblade physical damage cycle, but it just ends up being build stack spend stack
tight haven
adding more elements is one way
bronze plume
hopefully they cook
tight haven
they shouldn't bottle themselves into existing elements only
dry kindle
Arknights doesn't have elements
We have necrosis
swift tundra
every team feels like i'm playing zani+pheobe. XD
dry kindle
tight haven
especially when they cater a fair amount to experimentation
fringe dirge
I think physical would have been more interesting if lift and knockdown actually interacted
And maybe you can't just do lift to get the first vulnerable, maybe you have to crush first
So you'd at least go crush > lift > knockdown > crush
Honestly crush is what I thought knockdown would be
swift tundra
main issue is SP cost. Most of your gameplay is holding normal attack until you generate enough SP to do the same optimal rotation. Would be easier if SP cost was a bit less, which is why the next SP gen unit they release would probably be the most important key unit if the numbers are high enough.
tight haven
it's tricky
some teams can absolutely just spam skills almost nonstop
sp as it exists is not very good though, agreed
swift tundra
Game just needs Myrtle
fringe dirge
Going from playing a Cryo team using Fluorite to playing a physical team where every cooldown is no longer than 20 seconds is a crazy difference
Why is fluorites cooldown 40 seconds
dry kindle
Because antal and akekuri took all the 4* power budget
soft osprey
someone's probably already done this, i bet there's a whole wiki about it, but i'm doing it on my own
the shit i do to make the factory grow istg
daring dove
Giving up on trying to get one with all 3 for now, which would be better between...
ATK% boost will be more impactful to your damage by far.
fringe dirge
Has someone written down how long every character's basic attack sequence is?
I know the slower ones deal more stagger to compensate for how they take longer, but I wonder if they should generate more SP
I've been onfielding Greatsword characters for the entire game 😭
sterile herald
does anyone have a real definitive answer to lynx slab vs tide fall yet
swift tundra
just play 4 vanguards
oh that would 100% be the play once they release vanguards with better multipliers unless they can change the playstyle completely.
tight haven
does anyone have a real definitive answer to lynx slab vs tide fall yet
just use tide fall
the tested damage difference per rotation heavily goes in tide fall's favour
dry kindle
I know the slower ones deal more stagger to compensate for how they take longer,...
They do
sterile herald
the tested damage difference per rotation heavily goes in tide fall's favour
where can i see this
fringe dirge
Oh I thought they all generate the same SP
sterile herald
i’m hearing people say “slab better at high int / finished build”
tight haven
i’m hearing people say “slab better at high int / finished build”
slab is 0.8% better even given this
dry kindle
Rhodagn is a pain in the ass
sterile herald
slab is 0.8% better even given this
ah.
tight haven
while it also massively slows your rotation speed
sterile herald
Also ardelia is a fraud
wtf…
fringe dirge
Why isn't the training room aboard the Dijang an actual training room
tight haven
theres no fight that's just long enough that slab is straight better
tight haven
Why isn't the training room aboard the Dijang an actual training room
das what im sayin
dry kindle
And I'm not testing arts intensity ardelia to find out if that works
sterile herald
treat it
test
or else
wouldn’t arts intensity ardelia boost her corrosion
i feel like that could be good
sterile herald
true
but what if it’s good
what if it’s great
what if you never have to hit ardelia skill again
dry kindle
P3 fraud
fringe dirge
Is arts intensity better on Da Pan than physical damage gear? Especially if I'm running Exemplar which already gives physical damage
spare plinth
Has anyone worked out the actual best Yvonne team yet? I've seen like half a dozen different teams thrown about lol
turbid ore
Has anyone worked out the actual best Yvonne team yet? I've seen like half a doz...
not mine, but was posted in another server I'm in.
dry kindle
Not using yvonne
dry kindle
not mine, but was posted in another server I'm in.
😭
spare plinth
not mine, but was posted in another server I'm in.
Just saw the video that's from, it's good but they do mention stuff like how they don't have Alesh so he wasn't considered
swift tundra
Has anyone worked out the actual best Yvonne team yet? I've seen like half a doz...
Dual dps with Last Rite, Xaihe, Ardelia. Or replace last rite with Alesh. Every speed runner on CN uses those 2 comps.
dry kindle
Standard rite comp kills faster anyway
bronze plume
nah wtf am i reading
dry kindle
spare plinth
Dual dps with Last Rite, Xaihe, Ardelia. Or replace last rite with Alesh. Every ...
You have no way to proc alesh combo in that team though
You need estelle or gilberta for alesh to work
bronze plume
alesh just doesnt work
dry kindle
Also no shot navigator is that close
bronze plume
yvonne needs gilberta to be a good unit
dry kindle
But idfk what yvonne ult timeline is
spare plinth
He's better SP gen than akekuri if you've got gilberta
spare plinth
yvonne needs gilberta to be a good unit
I've got both, still not sure who to actually bring for the last two lol
swift tundra
Standard rite comp kills faster anyway
True. Fastest one I seen was a 35 second Rhodagn kill with Last Rite vs 38 second with Yvonne. Whale setup.
dry kindle
True. Fastest one I seen was a 35 second Rhodagn kill with Last Rite vs 38 secon...
Whale rite?
spare plinth
True. Fastest one I seen was a 35 second Rhodagn kill with Last Rite vs 38 secon...
Pretty happy with that ngl, I thought Yvonne would just instantly make Last Rite irrelevant
dry kindle
Whale rite has 20s kill