theorycrafting

[mystic halo]

last rite moment

it probably works

even without

cause of the refund

but uh

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah ill just do like

[dry kindle]

no one else uses sp

should be fineTM

[mystic halo]

if the skill followup misses(it happens) or last rite heavy whiffs(it happens)

you still just die

[midnight stirrup]

Ill be able to use BS on LR on the second autochain

[mystic halo]

I love this character!!

[midnight stirrup]

then have enough SP for BS on Ardelia

[dry kindle]

skill issue

[midnight stirrup]

and wait for BS on Xaihi until the last hit of LR

so SP should be back up

then rest of rot flows

probably

[dry kindle]

still better than yvonne

[mystic halo]

this is true

fact-checked by REAL ENDFIELD INDUSTRIALISTS

[gritty olive]

ok what do i do now

[vagrant sparrow]

im glad i pulled laev, her weapon made me go broke

but she is so cool

[mystic halo]

the characters in this game look so good

[dry kindle]

now wheres shu

[midnight stirrup]

Ignore me, reposting so I can find it back in DC chatlogs.

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/lapwing-hashedits-it's-over-cooked-hash-lapwing-gif-8544016540282013774

[mystic halo]

just make like

an alt account on discord

add it with your main

and just send dms to it

as a log

[tropic minnow]

Slightly proud of this, gotta build some debuff character now ig

[dry kindle]

i just have a server

[mystic halo]

discord notable filehosting service

[midnight stirrup]

Btw opal, where do I perlica ult here? Since shes on the atk% buffing catalyst?

[drifting quest]

easier to just make a discord server than make an alt

[midnight stirrup]

Same time as Xaihi ult?

[gritty olive]

@stoic dragon you dont need to do damage anymore. im now good

[drifting quest]

i have a server with just me in it that i use to save links, images, text, etc.

[mystic halo]

stanza duration is what

[gritty olive]

[mystic halo]

20s?

off the top of my head

[stoic dragon]

😭

[dry kindle]

long enough

[gritty olive]

stanza?

[dry kindle]

yeah 20s

[midnight stirrup]

20s yeah

[stoic dragon]

i want to build shatter team but still confuse, is it better with lufeng or chen or pog

[mystic halo]

I think two or 3 autos after ardelia BS there is the standard timing

to also cover possible LR ult afterwards

but I could have that wrong

[tropic minnow]

a suggestion, just include something like "peper pin" in the message so you can search it up even faster

[mystic halo]

just stare at the buff bar a bit

[dry kindle]

pipebomb

[midnight stirrup]

I just go from peppercat, in theorycrafting, has image

Easy enough

[midnight stirrup]

Alright will do

Thanks so much opal, ill give it a try

[tropic minnow]

if the chat has only that then w

[midnight stirrup]

So is Yvonne just garbage

even with Berta and sig

[mystic halo]

not unusable

[dry kindle]

worse than LR medal

[midnight stirrup]

Oof

[mystic halo]

starting with 0 energy for her though is gonna be

oh man

ugh

[dry kindle]

playing her at all in umbral

sounds fucked

[midnight stirrup]

I should wait for another nature dps then for Berta

But Yvonne so cute

🥺

[mystic halo]

like this character currently

kind of has to work really hard

to trim rhodan

[dry kindle]

just pull p5

[mystic halo]

chen solo

is almost faster

than yvonne team

isnt that crazy

[dry kindle]

just stagger

[mystic halo]

just crit

[frigid vector]

wtf

show

[mystic halo]

oh you dont know?

you never heard the word on the street?

[frigid vector]

Yvonne in the mines ok but that's damning if so

[mystic halo]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1n36vBPEJh/

[drifting quest]

does anyone have the like

original shatter trims from bilibili

i wanted to double check gear

[mystic halo]

like cbt?

or what

[dry kindle]

wait its fuckin trim as well

😭

[mystic halo]

yeah lol

[drifting quest]

no live

[simple spoke]

yvonne is so fun for the first 5 minutes you play her and then the rest of time is realizing her ult is a "come kill me" button coated in a 1k energy cost 💔

[frigid vector]

holy shit chen goated

not even cbt2 level 99 either lmao

[midnight stirrup]

Good music choice

[mystic halo]

and this is

meganerfed rapid ascent

[midnight stirrup]

Chen was the real physical main dps all along

[mystic halo]

the guy thinks that with prenerf rapid

and better rng

60-70s is possible

[frigid vector]

damn

why you guys calcing phys

just solo chen bro

[mystic halo]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AN6vBMEWe/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[midnight stirrup]

So Chen, Pog, Yifeng and Ardelia is the true endgame meta

Souka

[dry kindle]

we got nothing better to do waiting for sanity for essence

😔

[drifting quest]

oh this is a second one

ty

[mystic halo]

nah da pan is still in there

[astral walrus]

What is Chen best weapon? She cannot trigger eminent repute passive right?

[drifting quest]

i found the one i was looking for

[mystic halo]

this one is faster I think

[drifting quest]

but an extra example works

[mystic halo]

ok

nice

[drifting quest]

wait nvm

this is an unrelated video

lmao

[mystic halo]

oh there is 101s

【【终末地实战】点剑是对的！碎冰物理队101秒镀层罗丹】 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zN6kBnEaQ/

[drifting quest]

wait o

im so confused

i clicked the link and it sent me to a different video lmao

[mystic halo]

huh?

bilibili backrooms

[drifting quest]

i dont know

it was someone like

parkouring to bomb a blight node lmao

probably accidentally clicked on a video

[frigid vector]

if you're on phone bili app is pretty weird

[drifting quest]

no pc

[frigid vector]

tends to show a page before deeplinking to the actual video so if you tap yo ucan get something else

[simple spoke]

damn chen goated where tf are those big ass numbers coming from

[dry kindle]

me when i try opening a vid and end up with 20 links in my clipboard

[mystic halo]

not the channel for this

[wild sparrow]

are there any stat requirements for running this build over the hot work exoskeleton + lynx slab? i'm seeing different sets between guoba and iana's spreadsheet

[dry kindle]

no

[mystic halo]

tide is always better

at basically all levels of raising

and what advantages you might get you have to pay for in other ways

not to mention evil monument 0 energy start

[dry kindle]

except theres basically 0 advantage

[mystic halo]

so it takes even longer to get anything going

[frigid vector]

with all the dmg % buffs factored in and with pre ult rotation dmg, how many battle skills are needed for it to win out?

tbh with the rotation I had I'm taking x3 combo skills to get to ult from 0

[dry kindle]

atp we do dpsp and too lazy for that shit

[frigid vector]

is there a route that doesn't make use of it and still gets ardelia's debuffs?

[dry kindle]

or i just steal the endfield db rotation

[vernal torrent]

how important is this on ake?

[dry kindle]

very

link is bullshit

[frigid vector]

like I genuinely did not have enough SP

[wild sparrow]

wonder how guoba came up with the exo chest build then

[frigid vector]

to make use of tide

[vernal torrent]

so its a must get?

[frigid vector]

tide worked out better for me on ult start rotations (where it's all condensed so I can speed through things faster and get more bskills) and seems to be better for me on marble

since I can end phase 1 with maxed melting flame

[mystic halo]

link is its own multiplicative zone

[frigid vector]

but I'd gladly take some critique on my rho set-up so I can see how I'd get all buffs/debuffs set-up with only 2 combo skills

[mystic halo]

which is good

and one of the things really pumping physical currently

[runic solstice]

do u have link to this ?
looking for combos website or something of the like

[mystic halo]

no

it was in comment sectino of bili video

[vernal torrent]

so wait to get link working

must i use ake ult right before my ult on laev?

[frigid vector]

lae doesn't benefit from link

her ultimates are basics

same with yvonne

[dry kindle]

send help

[wild sparrow]

don't think it matters which comes first right

[dry kindle]

just link laev enhanced skill

and watch it do funny number

[runic solstice]

whats current laeviathan best team?
seen some teams with nandal instead of akekuri

[wild sparrow]

i don't think laev ult snapshots anyway

don't even know if this game does snapshotting

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/0eKta4tH_aM?si=f7T1fwpQ0VBQNybM&t=348 but ye this is the opener I have for rho and I don't see how I could do it in x2 bskill without sacrificing ardelia

[drifting quest]

if you're not preplanning your timeline specifically
wulfgard akekuri ardelia

[frigid vector]

ignore antal obj mess up ofc

[gritty olive]

oh i can now consider antal

[vernal torrent]

ik it says 25%, but is this actually strong buff?

[drifting quest]

no

dmg% is super diluted

well

i should say

[vernal torrent]

thought it wouldnt be that insane

[drifting quest]

its a strong buff

[dry kindle]

just make ginseng

[drifting quest]

but there are others that are a LOT better

[broken shale]

What's the best one?

[drifting quest]

ginseng

[broken shale]

Rip

[drifting quest]

soup or stew idr which it is

[copper ridge]

Is there any use for Recycling Materials from the Owls once we fully upgraded ship?

I wonder if its worth to do daily still

[frigid vector]

but ye if you can do share a lae 0 ult start rotation with 2bskill 2combo because the only ones I managed had to have delayed ardelia buff

[mystic halo]

uhh

[gritty olive]

how long do i get surtr ult

currently im getting 30s in sims

[runic solstice]

nope ,just hoping it will be useful in future patches

[vernal torrent]

couldnt find it in the crafting manua lat all

[frigid vector]

if anything I find tide does better when you can start with ult energy

[drifting quest]

you need to pick ginseng 50 times

[frigid vector]

rather than start from 0

because your rotation is way more condensed so the breakpoints matter

[outer ermine]

[copper ridge]

yeah ima still do em. doesnt take too long

[mystic halo]

I mean yeah it is better in basically every scenario

[runic solstice]

I think is a bit of a bad design tbh, we have like 30 recylcing stations and by day 3 there is nothing to do with it
wish we could trade for something

[frigid vector]

no I mean like

at 0 ult start

[dry kindle]

fml

[frigid vector]

I don't see how the ult energy gain does anything

[gritty olive]

how certain are we that the only skill allotment for the rot only works for like 6 skills

[vagrant sparrow]

do you guys buy these

[dry kindle]

this is 1 cycle ult not tide cycle

aaaaa

[dry kindle]

yes

[gritty olive]

since akekuri buffs passive SP gain

[frigid vector]

I mean I can only 1 cycle rn technically because rho goes in cutscene

triaggelos dies in phase 1

[twilit quail]

to add onto this the results for wulfgard antal ake are looking much better than ard currently, but monument opener is going to be a little tricky

[frigid vector]

and I start marble with resources built after phase 1

[dry kindle]

[frigid vector]

can you show a full tide cycle rotation

[vagrant sparrow]

ever since i made a bilibili account my bilibili experience has been way better

[mystic halo]

with the three skills in ult? or

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?usp=drivesdk

currently a bad rotation

[mystic halo]

dude mine does too much damage I dont know if there is a good enough dummy

[gritty olive]

since im not using sp properly

[frigid vector]

3 skills in ult and if possible, a rotation where the ult energy breakpoint matters

[vernal torrent]

so just so i know, in laev wulf ake rotations, i dont use wolf's skill?

only his combo and ult?

[dry kindle]

just go lv1 weps

[frigid vector]

because right now the only difference here is hot work pyro bskill dmg

[dry kindle]

surely rhod wont die still

[mystic halo]

i mean yeah that would do it

-4k atk

[frigid vector]

akekuri instead of antal?

[frigid vector]

on this

isn't antal more dmg overall

[runic solstice]

Is this team better than any edmin pog combinations?
I dont see any cc making endmin pog videos , its always that team

[mystic halo]

pog >>>>>

[mystic halo]

shatter is only for poverty

[gritty olive]

should be

[frigid vector]

this is the rotation ye

[mystic halo]

dude the day they just add a training dummy

it's all over for this game

[gritty olive]

so this is correct

i havent played endfield for the past couple days just to make this work

[vernal torrent]

why dash tho

is there a reason

[frigid vector]

ani canelling probalby but

[vernal torrent]

also where does laev ult slot in?

[frigid vector]

why not delay lae bskill

to get 3 combos

[gritty olive]

i run with my own assumptions that are in line with opals

[frigid vector]

this rotation here has only x2 lae combo but with the timeline wouldn't holding back on lae bskill usage

[vernal torrent]

where do i use laev ult in that combo chain? @frigid vector

[frigid vector]

to get a third combo work out better

[gritty olive]

i just made whatever rn

[frigid vector]

the screenshot? it isn't mine, it's the spreadsheet that kura linked

and I'm wondering why this

because it feels like there's a potential missed lae combo

[gritty olive]

im trying to slot in another akekuri + wulf combo

[frigid vector]

I also want to understand why akekuri over antal (unless multi target)

[gritty olive]

simplicity and sp

[mystic halo]

oh I just realised

this is going to be significantly harder for me

[frigid vector]

she ends up consuming a lot of SP

[mystic halo]

because I have lae p4

I actually cant do this

[dry kindle]

ok whale

[mystic halo]

I need to borrow an account LMAO

[gritty olive]

so far akekuri buffs sp gain

[vernal torrent]

man laev is FUN

[frigid vector]

wtf bruh

tbh I feel it

[mystic halo]

you... might have to just ask someone else

Im sorry

[frigid vector]

whales get robbed of labbing

[mystic halo]

[outer ermine]

[dry kindle]

what is it

[gritty olive]

the rotation might not do it without akekuri

[dry kindle]

surely i can mald it

[frigid vector]

the gacha that lets you turn off dupes will be revolutionary

I swear to god

[mystic halo]

I have this problem in original AK

my character has too many dupe

and too highly raised

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[mystic halo]

to make low rarity

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

when uhh what was that event called

vernal winds came out on CN

I was excited because it was actually really hard for newer accounts

[vernal torrent]

i just tried it, feels very nice @gritty olive

[gritty olive]

@mystic halo recommend a better rotation for me

[mystic halo]

and then I realised that a bunch of stuff doesnt work because the 2 6* I am using have dupes

[gritty olive]

tried what? editting?

[vernal torrent]

nah the rotation u posted

[gritty olive]

give the credit to opal

[vernal torrent]

my laev is piss weak tho

i cant raise her levels rn cuz im flat broke

so this will need to suffice

[mystic halo]

well what end are you trying to achieve by changing the rotation in the sheet

[gritty olive]

utilization of SP

[mystic halo]

honestly like if I were you

I would just go play the game first

and then come back with fresh eyes

[frigid vector]

but ye I want to see:

• 0 ult start on all characters
• rotation that only needs 2 combo 2 battle on lae rather than 3 combo with ardelia team (i.e. not sacrificing ardelia bskill pre ult)
• ideally have x3 bskill being done to highlight hot work value being higher
• ideally have rho not cutscene mid rotation so it's clearer to see how tide ult energy thresholds work across multiple stagger periods

[mystic halo]

cause from a lot of the enquiries youve sent my way the past few days

[gritty olive]

[mystic halo]

I think you are kind of going in the wrong direction

[vernal torrent]

rip mats

[gritty olive]

im just gonna play is6 instead

[gritty olive]

in what sense?

[frigid vector]

right now when it comes to the tide vs lynx, I'm seeing a lot of spreadsheets but I actually want to see a rotation that shows how meaningful the ult threshold is, because in practice I'm SP/combo skill gated anyways

[dry kindle]

oh fuck me i cant even mald it

[frigid vector]

np just

assume no tide

and we pretend that you get it on 2nd combo skill I guess

😔

[dry kindle]

nuh uh

[mystic halo]

It is my opinion(you dont have to take this for 100% truth) that you are being too exhaustive with the sheet in terms of laying out the timeline

you are doing a lot of unnecessary work

[dry kindle]

time for more alesh 1 shot simulator

[mystic halo]

that doesnt really achieve anything

[frigid vector]

but ye like I want to see actual rotations in a game

[mystic halo]

the damage calculations and stuff that is good

that is productive

[gritty olive]

oh the timeline accounts for rotations

that is the rotation that i automated already which was inspired by gcsim

[frigid vector]

because from my experience tide doesn't meaningfully give me faster ults as I needed to wait for sp/combo skills anyways

[mystic halo]

but trying to stress over the timeline and such when you do not personally grasp the game's basics very well(and this is something I can very easily tell)

[frigid vector]

unless multi-target

[mystic halo]

is not a good use of time

yours, or anyone else's

[gritty olive]

alright..

[mystic halo]

those are the thoughts I have formed on it over the past few days

whether or not you act upon them is up to you

[dry kindle]

alesh got 1 shot again

[mystic halo]

smoked

[dry kindle]

wait do i need p5 wulfgard for normal tide rot

[plush pollen]

Is it important to upgrade skills on supports on this game? Cus I'm not sure if the dmg multiplier here is the susceptibility multiplier or the damage of the skill multiplier

[drifting quest]

the susceptibility increases with rank but not at every rank

[dry kindle]

drop the rot

fuck me

another 1 cycle

[outer ermine]

damn that was fast

for perlica

[frozen tide]

I got this today for rite

[lime bear]

not 90/90 smh

[frigid vector]

also @mystic halo can you link the calcs with 2 bskill doing more dmg on tide than lynx

got some trusted friends that seem to have it pegged higher on lyx still

especially with burn/combustion/heat burst damage factored in

[lime bear]

oh ya is Jakub better than Kunst for consumable

[frigid vector]

I'm gonna be honest I haven't checked any consumables for differences

I can't remember if they were active/usable on umbral monument

[lime bear]

no consumable isnt allowed in umbral

[mystic halo]

oh dude this shit was from cbt in a fucking qq online document I'll see if it even still exists

fwiw I could be wrong

about 2

[lime bear]

iirc from what I see

[frigid vector]

yeah cause rn what I'm seeing is

you'd need x3 bskill for it to be better

[mystic halo]

but 3 is not hard for p5 wulf

[vagrant sparrow]

so since i got bis essence for laeva do i now just spend all my money on antificing items

[frigid vector]

and even then the damage you get from heat inflictions, combustion, burn, basics outside of ult etc

all add up

3 seems insane in a rotation from 0

like the one you linked?

that has no ardelia buff at all

it'd actually be less dmg than a regular rotation

[mystic halo]

ardelia is already being benched for speedkill

[frigid vector]

especially because he has to use regular bskill

and the dmg from ultimate basics would be higher

[lime bear]

so Antal/Ake/Wulf?

[frigid vector]

tbh speedkill rn is more about bypassing mechanics than anything

[mystic halo]

for those specific situations yes

[frigid vector]

but I haven't seen a 1 rot kill without potentials

[mystic halo]

but dont use it as general team

[frigid vector]

akekuri value skyrockets if you can start with ult

because she massively outsustains with SP gen

but with 0 ult start its way rougher

[lime bear]

but as for rn f2p still cant M3 tho I think, MoP is bp gated until Umbral released

[vagrant sparrow]

i dont think f2p can get more than 1 copy of bp weapon

[lime bear]

I tried my best with 3 ult at the start and still cant trim Rhodagn lmao, might skissue I think

[vagrant sparrow]

copies are locked behind paid bp

[lime bear]

150s is my best

[lime bear]

no I mean the mark of perseverance thing you need for masteries

missing hugee multipliers there

[outer ermine]

amazing

[copper ridge]

is there any activity that requires 2+ teams atm?

im so used to planning at least 2

[vagrant sparrow]

no

[lime bear]

no

[vagrant sparrow]

there isnt even an activity in the game yet

[lime bear]

not even Umbral needs 2 teams

I think in cbt2

[vagrant sparrow]

they literally released the game without endgame mode

[copper ridge]

i liked the extraction mode thing. but i did that like before i went to Plateau XD

[lime bear]

we have tons of starting pulls so they prob dont want ppl to rush for endgame stuff

II kinda like it tbh

[vagrant sparrow]

yea is aight

im not complaining

[copper ridge]

the least gacha gacha game. its like Death Stranding + Xenoblade + FF7R

[torn raft]

Beta rushers in shambles there was no endgame

[frigid vector]

technically still the case rn

[torn raft]

At least i didnt do wuling story in beta wanted the VA

[frigid vector]

trimmed medals or chill

[vagrant sparrow]

i didnt play the beta

so for me what a whole new world

[lime bear]

holy shit I finally drained all 40K units of water pond in Wuling

4 whole ass pumps

[dry kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B3DSUZbV7D_VzP2D2OxC_kF-f93kcX9-wVrND1uNTWU/edit?gid=2020005645#gid=2020005645 theres this but theyre using the same timeline for slab and tide so

[drifting quest]

i love using suboptimal tide fall rotation to only be 1.5% behind

LMAO

[dry kindle]

think were just gonna be at it all day until we timeline and dpsp it

[frigid vector]

yeah but htat's the thing

what's the optimal tide rotation then

because you can't do it any faster

[dry kindle]

and then die because umbral

[frigid vector]

but ye umbral will fuck everything anwyays

but I do think that just claiming x2 bskill tide is better is misinfo

[drifting quest]

umbral try to be difficult challenge: failed

[dry kindle]

idk all im finding are fucking ult gen timelines

[frigid vector]

tbh umbral difficulty will be speedrunning

[dry kindle]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[frigid vector]

like the only ones I see that do it in x2 combo

give up ardelia

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah people will speedrun it

[frigid vector]

and then you just get less dmg

[drifting quest]

but to just clear you can use blue gear lmao

[vagrant sparrow]

wtf is r9

[lime bear]

isnt Umbral more about sustain and careful positioning anyway? we have lik 10 mins each stage

[high finch]

did any1 count this set? assuming we get ulti in 1 enchanced skill

[drifting quest]

not even

you just brute force it

[lime bear]

just slap Ardelia nd we gud

oh

well ez trim medals is always welcomed

[dry kindle]

cba

[frigid vector]

umbral in cbt was indeed piss it's legit

just gonna be speedrunning

positioning does matter though since aoe city

I'll need to try to see if it's possible to cheese

the x2 elite stage

like arclight ult hitting the one behind the wall

that'd be hilarious

😔

[dry kindle]

yap at opal till mf drops the timeline ig

[high finch]

[dry kindle]

arclight dps 🔥

[frigid vector]

she's unironironically pretty good damage ngl

I've seen her pegged at like what

[icy ginkgo]

im ending it all

[frigid vector]

15-20% team dmg?

on avy team

[dry kindle]

damn

welp back to trying to find a timeline

[frigid vector]

can just lab it yourself

and pretend you get ult

cause starting from all 0 ult energy

until we have a giga broki vanguard for heat

just SP capped

or AoE/gilberta ofc

love me sp friendly chars

[dry kindle]

can we just give laev 30sp final strike okty

[frigid vector]

[dry kindle]

[frigid vector]

keep 30 sp to my greatsword homies please

I want them to stay relevant

[dry kindle]

not even

[mystic halo]

make her sword larger

[dry kindle]

its just rite

[mystic halo]

og ak size

[dry kindle]

ember is 28

[mystic halo]

solved

[frigid vector]

why does ember

keep getting Ls bro

split damage

fuck all buffs (got protection I guess to trigger set)

no 30 sp

its ok

best looking char out of the standards

[dry kindle]

shouldve been a guard bud

[mystic halo]

the more I maths physical

the more Im beginning to think

lifeng

is actually the best unit in the team

[dry kindle]

fuck your math wheres the burn timeline

[frigid vector]

I haven't played phys enough to have an opinion

but his buffs and the ridiculous stack build from ult

genuinely seems giga broken

[mystic halo]

Im afraid it's literally just all vibes because Im p5 and pretending isn't actually the same

because there are points

[frigid vector]

although ngl pog breach

[mystic halo]

where it can go wrong

[frigid vector]

seems like it'd make him the best unit

[mystic halo]

and failure states that would happen without p4

wouldnt happen with it

[frigid vector]

not familiar with lifeng's potentials

let's have a look

[mystic halo]

no Im talking about

the surtr stuff

[frigid vector]

oh

[mystic halo]

so you can call me a fraud here it's fine

[frigid vector]

well yeah p4

you just 1 cycle lol

actually insane value potential

[mystic halo]

I legitimately cant do it even if I take off the weapon

[frigid vector]

kind of weird how they make most potentials be cosmetic at best

[mystic halo]

because of the ult energy reduction

[frigid vector]

and then suddenly lae p4 completely changes her rot lol

yeah

you pretty much get it guaranteed

[mystic halo]

you are allowed to call me a scammer for this

[frigid vector]

nah dialogue is all we need

[drifting quest]

yooo free slander

[frigid vector]

early days so everyone is going to be wrong anyways

and I'm also

willing to bet lunch that we'll get to

idk

1.4 or 1.5 or something

get new sets

and then suddenly it won't matter

[drifting quest]

id bet we get new sets sooner

[twilit quail]

whatever contention surtr might have currently it is nothing compared to physical

[high finch]

hell yeah. That's my boy. i'm not as stressed of pulling his p1 now

[frigid vector]

I legit haven't looked at physical yet but

[drifting quest]

clueless

[frigid vector]

you guys making it sound like it's the 7th circle of hell or something

[twilit quail]

surtr is fighting for 1% dmg maybe

[frigid vector]

is it really worse than yvonne optimisation

[drifting quest]

physical players are funding an entire second wuling city with all the stock bills spent on gear

[dry kindle]

not even 1.2? smh

[twilit quail]

physical is fighting for their life not trying to change gear every day

[frigid vector]

[drifting quest]

id expect new gear literally in 1.1 lol

[frigid vector]

tbh I think we'll get sets sooner but

it'll be tailored to new units imo

[dry kindle]

if we get lv90 next patch or something

please dont be 3 gear tiers in wuling

[drifting quest]

new area = new gear sets to find on the map

[twilit quail]

pog sig might actually just be a scam

[high finch]

lvl 90 what? we already can reach lvl 90

[drifting quest]

new electric set for mifu and/or fangyi
maybe new phys set for tangtang

[drifting quest]

the more i look at it the less i understand how its competitive with thermite

[dry kindle]

gear

[high finch]

oh wait i never noticed our gear lvl is only 70

[drifting quest]

i wouldnt expect l90 gear soon

people will rightfully take up pitchforks thanks to artificing

unless you can save artificing and pass it onto l90 gear

[mystic halo]

red essence jumpscare

[drifting quest]

but then charge breakpoints break and everyone cries

[mystic halo]

physical found dead in a ditch

[dry kindle]

you cant

[drifting quest]

if you cant then cnbros eat the company alive

[frigid vector]

you can't yet*

[dry mason]

@valid zealot

[drifting quest]

thats what i meant

[frigid vector]

if they do so they'll absolutely give something to carry over

if this were an MMO

[drifting quest]

if they add l90 gear the assumption would be that you can carry over your artificing progress

[mystic halo]

artificing at least you didnt have to spend stam on it

[frigid vector]

part of the mentality

but gacha kind of established at this point

[drifting quest]

wait until they add the sanity > stock bill farm

[frigid vector]

yeah but as soon as those discounted items drain from shop

it's going to be utterly doomed

[mystic halo]

Im already buying from 60k per consumable artificing

Im saving my remaining 12ks

[drifting quest]

ill probably start the grind on artificing charge set to day

[tawny spindle]

I see people saying using Perlica as the active op in a Last Rite team is better than using, well, Last Rite... does this have any merit?

[lime bear]

what to sl9 first for wulf, combo?

[mystic halo]

dont level abilities on him in general

he's just application bot

[drifting quest]

subdps wulf? combo > ult
ultspam? none

[lime bear]

wht abt ake

[drifting quest]

ult only

[lime bear]

ok

[tawny spindle]

I feel like you'd lose out on a lot of damage because idk if the AI attacks as frequently as you can and Perlica's attacks don't benefit from cryo amp or cryo vuln

[lime bear]

and ardelia is bskill right

[drifting quest]

yes

[dry kindle]

can we just get umbral already ffs

[mystic halo]

we can just have umbral already

so yvonne can look even worse

[tight haven]

they swapped yvonne and gilb release so they can buff yvonne

trust in the process

[drifting quest]

this slander is so (good/bad) i could die

[outer ermine]

wut is my ai doing bruh

[drifting quest]

its gonna be one of those things

[dry kindle]

L

[drifting quest]

i dont look forward to the third

nvm i 2 tapped the third lmao

gloves and 2 seals to go

[lime bear]

what if lvl90 gear announced next week

[drifting quest]

there's 0 chance they do that

they will not survive

[mystic halo]

if they do

hg hq is getting visit

by some very friendly folks

[drifting quest]

cn players will literally riot

[dry kindle]

man whyd ardelia have to be free op

[sterile herald]

wish her potentials were better for damage

[high finch]

btw,why do you think lifeng is one of the best character is phys team? @mystic halo and by phys team you mean pog,lifeng,chen,endmin?

[sterile herald]

i pulled p3 somehow

[dry kindle]

were just stuck with slab being real till umbral drops i guess

[mystic halo]

yeah that comp

[dry kindle]

😔

[mystic halo]

endmin/da pan doesnt matter a whole lot

it's cause of link on combo

link is an unbelievable effect

[runic solstice]

whats the difference between one that has +3 and +1 of one element ?
can +1 reach same maximum potential just more expensive to level up?

[drifting quest]

yes

not by much

first 4 or so upgrades are cheap

last ones are expensive

[mystic halo]

it's possible to get basically all your ults boosted by link AND pog vuln

[runic solstice]

mh ok so only thing that matters is to have 3 right stats then

[mystic halo]

so they are getting ⁨(all of the dmg before*1.43)*1.2⁩

and it's just unbelievable

the rotation also shoots itself in the head without him

and you cant fit stuff into pog vuln

[drifting quest]

man

[mystic halo]

he's so good

[drifting quest]

it wasnt too bad to be honest

[mystic halo]

can also apply xiranite

[drifting quest]

i expected it to cost a lot more

was maybe 500k stock bills, 30 or so taps total

[tranquil sun]

So what is the... the uncontested best in slot ultimate building into damage for Laevatain? Hot works + Lynx slab?

[frigid vector]

if you want damage on a single target, slab

but it's a flex piece

personally I had more success with tide on a fight like marble aggelo because you can end phase 1 with max melting flame for example

but on a fight like rhod where you're gimmicked by the phase transition

and 2 stagger him

lynx is better

ofc only if you got operator built, otherwise tide will do more dmg

[tranquil sun]

where does tide place in here?

[frigid vector]

what do you mean place

[drifting quest]

slab is

not good

[frigid vector]

it should objectively be more damage

and from 0 ult start (with ardelia) you're combo/SP gated

[drifting quest]

unless something was missed its less

[outer ermine]

[frigid vector]

no it's more

[drifting quest]

unless you do a subpar tide rotation

[frigid vector]

more dmg on single bskill

more dmg on double bskill

show me the tide rotation

[drifting quest]

slab is 3 combo 2 bskill

[frigid vector]

yes, but you need that anyways

[drifting quest]

tide is 2 combo 2 bskill

you get the ult 10s faster

[frigid vector]

sure, but if you do that you need to sacrifice ardelia battle skill

you're also still dependent on antal combo skill for it

so you get ult faster but now you're lacking in buffs

[drifting quest]

akekuri gaming

esp for marble and dorito

[frigid vector]

the loss of ardelia bskill also means you can struggle with ult energy on other characters (like wulf)

so the 2 combo rotation is just less dmg than the 3 combo rotation

even with tide

[dry kindle]

petition to remove ardelia from existence and make antal akekuri wulf the default comp

[frigid vector]

tbh I'm sure I can optimise gilberta further but I feel she is fine for tide too

as long as ardelia touches the team though

you're hardgated by SP recovery

but yeah, if you run akekuri or have full ult energy start

[dry kindle]

rossi is 6* akekuri trust

[frigid vector]

tide would be better because you can end with 4 melting flame easily while still getting 2 enh b skill and everything gets moved forward

but from 0 ult start and ardelia you're kind of griefing if you only do 2 combo skill

no xiranite

no stanza

no ardelia sus

you can get it halfway but then you're waiting for at least 1 full ult basic rotation

[frank shard]

isnt akekuri just generally better

[frigid vector]

wulf/antal/ardelia is the most damage

akekuri's damage buffs are low and her link buff does nothing to lae

[lime bear]

my dream running Mafia siblings with Laeva

[frigid vector]

since her ultimates are basics and her enh bskill is b skill

[frank shard]

even with the weapon?

[mystic halo]

you dont

even with no whiffed autos prepull

[frigid vector]

the weapon is great and she can run frontiers which doesn't clash with x2 xiranite

[mystic halo]

you can get it in before lae presses ult

after 2nd enhanced skill

[frigid vector]

can you show a video

[dry kindle]

theres also the option of just

letting corro tick

corro is resist shred

[frigid vector]

if you're using wulf/antal/ardelia

I only get SP in time

let me find my tide rotation

[frank shard]

im kinda surprised wulf isnt doing more damage

[frigid vector]

problem is that ardelia's corro is only base/level 1

[dry kindle]

arts intensity ardelia time 🗣️

ok that was a joke uh

[frigid vector]

ye...

it's not too bad I guess since you start at like what

7%?

[dry kindle]

thats like uh

[frigid vector]

so even without waiting it's something but

still incomparable

[dry kindle]

-22% on intensity build?

is it stanza intensity ardelia time

[outer ermine]

i forgor skills interrupt bas fucked up my marble run

[dry kindle]

laugh

[outer ermine]

cant even keep up w lr mechanics smh smh

[dry kindle]

fake rite player

[frigid vector]

discord please

w'/e

30fps it is

[devout trail]

Question. With my slab i honestly hit like a damn truck. But I see in the pinned google sheet build in the team build discord it runs something different. Thoughts

[frigid vector]

@mystic halo

how would I speed up ardelia bskill here

[frigid vector]

1920x1080

2560x1440 is where its at

[dry kindle]

pot 5 ofc you hit 😭

[frigid vector]

with pot 5

you actually wouldn't run either

[dry kindle]

and that

[devout trail]

Nobody be making builds for the whales bro

[dry kindle]

redeemer

[frigid vector]

ye

since you can make use of p4 ult reduction

which is kind of ridiculous

[dry kindle]

i mean p0 can just need xira gloves

but yeah

redeemer go brrr

[devout trail]

So the build in the Google spreadsheet but minus 1 redeemer for the pyro kit?

[dry kindle]

highkey aids that ult cost is a pot

[dry kindle]

hotwork gloves

[devout trail]

I mean yea that my b

[frigid vector]

@mystic halo also here cycling faster ends up being even more grief because of stagger alignment, since rho always jumps at this point in the rotation if you aren't interrupting him with ardelia bskill you end up just losing ult hits

[paper vortex]

No fkin way steam knights exists in talos-ii

[frigid vector]

I really don't see how tide 2 combo rotation works here

in a way that still has buff and stagger alignment

tide would mog lynx on aoe (moreso pyrometer honestly) but I legit don't know how you'd x2 combo and still have everything up

[kindred sorrel]

just run this with p4+ so you can one rotation laeva ult

[tranquil sun]

[dry kindle]

go away whel

[tranquil sun]

P4+...

[frigid vector]

double redeemer

[devout trail]

Yea thats what im about to run

[outer ermine]

like why is she there bruh

[dry kindle]

why you playing non main rite 💀

[high finch]

is it worth to trade tons of dmg modifiers for 1 rotation ult? i guess in overworld and dailies it's much more comfy but what abt overall?

[outer ermine]

im trying something for this tentacles

[devout trail]

P4+

[high finch]

oh nvm

[mystic halo]

ok I was recording

[outer ermine]

i run w xaihi and play range so im in middle of both tenctacles

[mystic halo]

and eyja got her skill interrupted

because this game sucks

whatever man

[dry kindle]

laugh

[outer ermine]

being fast is punishing here

how i wish actions would continue thru ult

[kindred sorrel]

you dont lose as much if youre p4+ because you'll still be running hot gloves

[tight haven]

overall dpr is increased since you can literally just spam ult

[dry kindle]

but muh dpsp

[tight haven]

of course you're not going to be able to do funny 10 second antal kills

[high finch]

it's only for p4 i guess?

[tight haven]

yes

with hot work

without p4 you have to run ult eff gloves

[devout trail]

Yes only p4

[tight haven]

and you need more artifices

[high finch]

without p4 i guess dmg its wet noodle with this setup

[tight haven]

your hits will not be as big

[kindred sorrel]

you need +2/+3 on redeemer ult gains

[tight haven]

its nice for whales with p5 because you get a huge ebatk powerspike

[kindred sorrel]

or 2/2/1 on redeemer x2 and tide i think

[dry kindle]

just wait for next region set to double the numbers

[tight haven]

also having maxed weap makes it better too ofc

[kindred sorrel]

ye but next region will use new stock bills

[tight haven]

big big 210% ebatk buff

[kindred sorrel]

so might as well build whatever with wuling stuff

[tight haven]

that also multiplies with the p5 buff

its comfy for explo but i dont like using it for bosses, id rather be able to burst in windows

[kindred sorrel]

i used it for all my trims

[tight haven]

yeah no its absolutely still possible to trim

i just dont like it for trimming

in umbral monument though this ult build is absolutely the best for laev

you want to be in ult as much as possible

[frigid vector]

if you're p5

you get giga extension on aoe too

[kindred sorrel]

tbf, anything works for p5 to get trims in current bosses

even without abusing ginseng

[tight haven]

yeah +7s is nutty for daily content and certain mob-heavy monument stages

yeah i did all my trims undergeared and without food with p5

just trivially easy to do

[outer ermine]

something something like this w combo oneshotting all

[tight haven]

as long as hg doesnt get scared and start gigabuffing shit hoyo-style she'll probably be a very very good pick for basically everything for a while

[frigid vector]

wait I just realised

ultrawide enjoyer?

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[tight haven]

[kindred sorrel]

always

[icy ginkgo]

is this g?

[dry kindle]

uncapped fps or doesnt count

[kindred sorrel]

hope my 4080 super can run endfield without fps cap

[frigid vector]

if I wans't content creator you bet I'd be running this game on 21:9 constantly

alas griefed by algorithm 16:9 aspect ratio

can we normalise ultrawide please

[kindred sorrel]

frfr

[sterile herald]

why my cpu lowkey frying itself playing this game bro

[kindred sorrel]

i'd maybe start making videos if i could stand playing in 16:9

[sterile herald]

tf u mean 91 degrees

[dry kindle]

id make videos if fps uncap was real

[frigid vector]

limited to 60fps on yt

I gotta cap my frames for videos too

it's actually doomed

[dry kindle]

and wasnt poor

[frigid vector]

technically can do 120fps in endfield actually

[dry kindle]

smhsmhsmh not interpolating

[frigid vector]

since it's not a true uncap

[dry kindle]

wheres the 720fps

[frigid vector]

the game is hella optimised but

that's too many fake frames bro

[dry kindle]

just use smoothie and trust the process

[outer ermine]

range sucks ass

[tight haven]

last rite's greatest weakness: enemies standing 6 feet away from her

[dire wind]

thats a little warm

[sterile herald]

i’m sayin! it only happens after like an hour of gameplay

ryzen 7600x but tbf i haven’t gotten a good cooler for it yet which probably contributes

but even in games like cyberpunk on high settings it doesn’t run this hot

game must be mining crypto or something

[frigid vector]

wtf that's surprising

this game is very well optimised on my machine

[mystic halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdKjkjcYpg4

[outer ermine]

2mins 50 buruhh

[mystic halo]

I got the bug here where I get the energy

but not the hit

[frigid vector]

can I see

ult energy

this is cropped

[mystic halo]

Im not allowed to show uid because of my position

[frigid vector]

actually should be fine

[mystic halo]

I'll just go again I guess

but hitting these things normally

gives ult

and same for wulf with charge

with some more effort can fit 3rd enhanced bs

[uneven roost]

What set does Avywenna use? Bonekrusha?

[mystic halo]

and it's much easier with ake

[frigid vector]

is there a reason

you use lae battle skill

without waiting for her combo skill cd

it seems like you're missing out on a combo skill

[mystic halo]

I dont need the stack

it's best for dmg this way

[frigid vector]

this

[mystic halo]

believe it or not

[frigid vector]

isn't any faster than the rotation I had

[outer ermine]

the gap close in ba4 is pretty good, being forced to dodge mid ba chain hurts more

[mystic halo]

ok I'll go again I guess

[split latch]

@twilit quail Hey, I'm really sorry for pinging you, but from what we have so far, Do you think that the ultimate energy set on your guide is better for Laev p0 with sig if I meet the conditions on the guide?

[mystic halo]

hang on

[frigid vector]

let me make sure timings are correct but

the SP regen is the same

[mystic halo]

whether the enemy staggers or not for alignment is not really something we should be considering

anyway

[frigid vector]

it aligns with his jump phase

[mystic halo]

because it's not going to be consistent

for every fight

[frigid vector]

true, depends

but still time to ult is about the same

[mystic halo]

we are only using rhodan because we dont have a better dummy

[frigid vector]

and it's just losing out on one potential combo skill

let me be 100% sure

[dry kindle]

marble core

[frigid vector]

rhod drops at 0:04 energy again at 0:44

40s

mine is 05:53 and I have energy at 06:33

it's exactly the same time

this isn't routing any faster

[mystic halo]

ok Im confused then

because the argument I thought

[outer ermine]

gotta deal w 30s of hell first

[mystic halo]

was that you cant fit ard skill and get two skills in ult

[frigid vector]

no, the only time you get a faster rotation is if you skip ardelia bskill

like the tide fall rotation I had

let me check the timers

[frigid vector]

rhod drops at 0:15 I get ult at 0:50, so 5s faster

but with better final strike alignment

it could be like 8s+

so the tide fall rotation I was doing is faster, but that's only possible because I have to sacrifice ardelia bskill

[pliant stag]

hey guys, how much worse is phys without lifeng? endmin pog ardelia chen

[frigid vector]

the one you have here isn't any different from the 3 combo rotation, with the only issue being that you aren't delaying laevatain bskill

so you have her combo skill cd not ticking

when it's possible to have it on CD for pretty much the whole time

[pliant stag]

i got 3 embers instead of a single lifeng so nothing i can do

[frigid vector]

what gates you from getting ult here isn't ult energy regen, it's SP

because you need to wait for enough SP to ardelia battle skill, you aren't being any faster than I am with x3 combo skill

the gate here isn't ult energy, it's combo/sp regen

[split latch]

Guys, is the charge rate set better on P0 Laev?

[frigid vector]

although I do find it kinda funny how we got like the exact same time

I'd have expected like 1-2 diff from execution but it ended up being the same lol

[mystic halo]

ok no wait playing physical has rotted my brain

I forgot how this shit works

fuck me

hang on

[frigid vector]

from the early testing I've done, it's better on certain situations (like if you can start with ult energy, or in fights like marble where you can end phase 1 with maxed melting flame stacks)

on single targets with ardelia lynx pulls out ahead even with x2 enh battle skill in ult

on aoe tide is better since you can do x3 battle skill+ in ult

it's a flex piece

but lynx is only better at max trust/essences

so tide will likely be the better pick for most players

[vagrant sparrow]

so my laeva is level 90, her weapon is 90 and all her talents are level 9 what do i even do with sanity anymore

farm essences for other people and use the leftovers to upgrade hers?

[frigid vector]

do you have maxed etched essences

[split latch]

Ok, ty for the info!!!

[pliant stag]

anyone knows

[vagrant sparrow]

no

[frigid vector]

onto the mines it is 😔

[vagrant sparrow]

i would guess the best method would be farming them for other characters?

then use the leftovers?

[frigid vector]

well, max them for lae

then the others

try to hit as many weapons as you can for your team when selecting stats

[vagrant sparrow]

alright

[drifting quest]

im 5 more hits to max my essence

tomorrow

[frigid vector]

also if you record

[drifting quest]

only took so many pities

[frigid vector]

assuming you're using OBS

you can crop the selected window/source

[mystic halo]

I was lazy

I know

[frigid vector]

just crop the bottom so it cuts the UID

although tbh does UID matter

I have my UID public on every video

[vagrant sparrow]

do we have a sheet with builds for characters

[dry kindle]

this is fine

[vagrant sparrow]

also wtf Lin i watch your youtube videos

[frigid vector]

[frigid vector]

datafield has them

https://datafield.cc/characters/Laevatain

not every char ofc but the big ones

[vagrant sparrow]

[dry kindle]

kill em

[vagrant sparrow]

damn that website is insane

[frigid vector]

also just realised, this is the rank of the essence

since you can get 4/4 with a p0 weapon

but it goes up to 9 when all dupes

[mystic halo]

All I can say is that it's policy

[frigid vector]

fairs

so long as my house isn't getting nuked from UID I'm chilling

[dry kindle]

ngl cant even see it really maybe in actual fight

[frigid vector]

or any of the weird bugs I've seen in hoyo games

it does look interpolated