theorycrafting

[ocean saffron]

not really max tested

[bronze plume]

to build electric

[dry kindle]

yummy 200 a day

[rugged kiln]

50k finishers kinda slap tho wtf

[lime bear]

I think getting the discounted ones at least worth tho right

[twilit quail]

sure

[rugged kiln]

Yep that’s what i do

[twilit quail]

but there is no point stockpiling them

[ocean saffron]

yeah shes fun because you just stand there getting hit to generate combos and then pog is spamming battle skill till they're staggered and then chen/endmin go in

[twilit quail]

because you only have so much stam

[rugged kiln]

You should only stockpile artificers

Imo

[ocean saffron]

im certain its not meta but im having fun

[lime bear]

tbh I already have 3/3 essence for Laeva so kinda dont care abt engraving tickets anyway

[twilit quail]

if you really want you can use the things that let you manually craft san pots lol

[lime bear]

true actually

[ocean saffron]

limited by wuling money tho

[bronze plume]

am i using wild wanderer or oblivion on perlica

[lime bear]

wait wtf how

[rugged kiln]

Yeah that’s why they’re priority

[ocean saffron]

i bought like 40 so far but yeah cant buy many per day

[wintry hazel]

Istg bro another ww user

My ww is only p2

I'm on oblivion lv 80 I'm doubting to switch

That guy using ww and deal same dmg on ult

As me

[valid zealot]

ww who

[wintry hazel]

I don't use food buffs though

If I use food buffs I could get like 140k

[lime bear]

what's sanity regen rate again

7min?

[wintry hazel]

Wild wanderer

[valid zealot]

What wild wanderer.

[rugged kiln]

When you use a food buff, does it buff the whole team or just one operator?

[valid zealot]

Just one unless the food mentions team.

[ocean saffron]

i cant believe anyone is using food

flowers are so annoying and the content is so easy

[wintry hazel]

Do u get trim badge?

If u don't then u might not realize how valuable it is

[drifting quest]

The only hard content is trims so yeah

[ocean saffron]

i havent even run them yet no im not building this team for endgame

[drifting quest]

And trims arent even that hard

[ocean saffron]

im building a wuling team

[wintry hazel]

Yeah but the only thing I've seen is

This guy electric team

[drifting quest]

They fold to any amount of actual late game investment and team cohesion

[wintry hazel]

He got trim but he needs food

[twilit quail]

the evil lv60 phys team triple trim

[valid zealot]

skill issue

runfast

[wintry hazel]

What the dawg

[drifting quest]

Solo trims are the new goal

[valid zealot]

[drifting quest]

Theres like 3 rhodagn solo trims

[wintry hazel]

16% ele dmg buff bro

That's so huge for avy

[valid zealot]

The game is out for 9 days.

[wintry hazel]

Idk anm

Ppl use wild wanderer on perlica so much

Their ult does same dmg w my oblivion lv 80 too for some reason

[lime bear]

bottlenecked by no M3 Laevatain trust... my best is still 150s

might be skissue icl

only M1 in Ult M1 in BSkill

[ocean saffron]

thats what i mean ppl are already creating artificial diffculty

and no ones even finished building a character

[karmic perch]

is there any in game timer for the trims

[lime bear]

M3 scaling goes crazy

[karmic perch]

i got all with laev but wondering if i can get faster

[lime bear]

no if u clear it within the time you'll get the medal if not then no

[karmic perch]

ah so youd have to time it with something external

thats annoying

[lime bear]

yea

@drifting quest Laevatain M3 prio is Ult then BSkill right

[drifting quest]

Yes

Roughly equal prio

[compact bridge]

Should i run 4pc rainbow with ultimate efficiency or 3pc heat set on laevatain?

[steel topaz]

can u duplicate these somehow? no right?

[rugged kiln]

Nope

[steel topaz]

time to mintpick I guess :S

[drifting quest]

You can probably commit to ult gain set atp, its been consistently good and it looks like monument isnt getting any harder
Run the tide hot work setup till you max artifice

[ocean saffron]

weird i have exactly 22 also

[wintry hazel]

Oh my god

I have so much skill issue with using avy

[rugged kiln]

Which piece do you artifice first on the ult gain set?

[lime bear]

I got tons of these clearing LBs top of the Logistics Place in Wuling

[compact bridge]

I havent commit anything, im about to craft some gold gear for laevatain rn

[nova lance]

By max artifice, wut does that mean?

[drifting quest]

Any youre maxing the ult gain on every piece

[rugged kiln]

Ah i see

[valid zealot]

Place towers on alluvium, farm these.

[drifting quest]

Artificing is another endgame sink where you upgrade the stats on gear

[valid zealot]

Oh wait it's bamboo.

You can't farm these yet.

[steel topaz]

already capped on buildings :S gotta see

[drifting quest]

Run tide chest + 3x hot work then

[nova lance]

Wuts maximum for 1 stat?

[drifting quest]

4(?)

Upgrades

[nova lance]

It's fine if don't reach that?

[compact bridge]

3pc heat set got higher ceiling, but rainbow ult eff is more comfy i guess?

[valid zealot]

How to more comfy

[drifting quest]

Dpsp and dpr for low rot runs it has higher ceiling

[valid zealot]

You aren't squeezing ult in less than 2 ebs rot.

[drifting quest]

Longer runs more ults should just also be more damage per fight

[dry kindle]

do my dpsp for me i dont wannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[drifting quest]

[nova lance]

Dpsp dpr?

[drifting quest]

I havent even gotten up yet

Ive had the flu for days

I should stop being lazy

Its either faq doc or energy calc sheet day

[rugged kiln]

Just get your AI assistant to do the calcs

[compact bridge]

How long laeva rot normally?

[karmic perch]

does anyone know how relevant wulfgards damage is in laev team, i have a super stacked laev atp and idk if its worth to invest in wulfgard for damage

[dry kindle]

0

[twilit quail]

dont bother

[valid zealot]

No..

[twilit quail]

ok! time to replace all the phys team gear!!

what fun...

[karmic perch]

lol ok full artificing into laev gear then

[drifting quest]

To get wulfgards damage to be worth it you need essence and artificing max plus clannibal and then at p5 its still less team dpr than ult bot

(Lmao)

[nova lance]

Artifice gear or buying tickets for essence?

Which to do first?

[karmic perch]

i do have p5 wulf but i also have p5 laev lol so the damage gap is much larger than p0 laev to p5 wulf

[drifting quest]

Both

Buy for essence when you have stamina

Swap when you dont

[karmic perch]

is lynx slab still strongest at top end investment?

ik tide is stronger on no artifice

[dry kindle]

no

[wintry hazel]

Where's the lightning team dps calc

😭

Y there's only lae calc

[ocean saffron]

she seems like the only team that has 4 units that play well together and a 6* carry lol

not surprising ppl are working on tools for her

[dry kindle]

[ocean saffron]

wheres wulf

[twilit quail]

look at my phys team dawg

Im going to jail

[karmic perch]

What site are you using for this?

[drifting quest]

P6

[dry kindle]

k yeah this site is not real

[wintry hazel]

Looks like something from #team-build

Might be wrong

[gritty olive]

this simmer is now properly coded

im gonna do some finishing touches to know how arts intensity work

[frigid vector]

The point I was making is that it really doesn't grief my rotation because Im waiting on SP for Ardelia anyways

It also has Heat DMG from Exo vs only Battle Skill on pyrometer

Having more Ult energy a lot of the time doesn't help if I'm gated by Combo Skill CD and SP recovery

[daring dove]

Isn''t Wulfguard only good at P5? Also does anyone else notice the drop rate of his weapon being silly I can't stop getting it.

[frigid vector]

And come out of an Ult burst with little SP since I spend it for enh Battle Skills in Ult

I'm not a Slab merchant though, I think Tide is better for a lot of fights

[ocean saffron]

is that true? everyone told me he's mandatory and the flex options are between akekuri antal and ardelia

[frigid vector]

When I get a more refined route for Marble I think it'll be better there

[steel hedge]

which one is better for chen damage wise? grand vision or aspirant?

[ocean saffron]

i havent built the fire team yet though

[gritty olive]

can someone help me test something

this rotation is too long to get wulfgards 2nd combo, can someone test this for me?

[daring dove]

He's still decent as far as I understand without P5, but at P5 he's betting than Akekuri. Antal might be better than him until he's P5, especially if you don't have his sig?

[ocean saffron]

I thought you mainly needed him for stack consistency

not the extra amp from weapon or w/e

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard is the best infliction stacker

[twilit quail]

ok, reading time

[drifting quest]

Wall of text

Let me get on pc to read

[ocean saffron]

I read all that yesterday it doesnt say anything rly

[twilit quail]

do you not see the massive swathes of new shit I just added

blind mf

[drifting quest]

Clueless

[ocean saffron]

not really no i might be legally blind

[dry kindle]

oh yeah btw tide does more damage in ult cycle anyway if you get 2 enhanced off

[twilit quail]

damn alright

[sly nymph]

so extra intensity is better than 3pc xiranite?

[gritty olive]

would you guys believe that laev has 7.677k dps

[dry kindle]

🗿

[ocean saffron]

auto attacking maybe

[fallen cedar]

How much damage boost does antals’s 8% susceptibility actually give? Is it a multiplier at the end so just 8%all damage boost?

[ocean saffron]

what are u on about

[frigid vector]

Don't I say that tide is more competitive on that

[daring dove]

Antal is reowned for not being comfortable in Laevatain team anyway, but people mainly use him to optimise damage. Different playstyles ultimately. Some people prefer comfort in which case use Wulf & Akekuri. Some people prefer all out damage in which case use Antal & make sure you're playing optimally. Even then Antal is only better for ST as I understand. I use Wulf & Akekuri personally since they seem to have the least flaws.

[dry kindle]

idr

[gritty olive]

this

[dry kindle]

but its literally better which makes slab kinda goofy when it doesnt even win at its job

[sly nymph]

why is this worse than 2 aethertech kit

[steel hedge]

can you guys teach me a proper rotation for chen, pog, endmi, and ardelia (i have the panda aswell) no lifeng

[frigid vector]

And even point out that on ult start rotations it flows better as a result

[ocean saffron]

7k dps is like nothing 0_o

[gritty olive]

yeah since you start at 0 energy iirc for umbral monument

[frigid vector]

I can check the calcs that were shared with me but slab should be doing more damage unless you can consistently hit x2 bskill

[gritty olive]

you need a lot of rampup time for 300 energy

[ocean saffron]

youre making that team sound awful to me ngl

[frigid vector]

Tide will likely be better for umbral simply because it's aoe heavy

[ocean saffron]

hopefully its just not true xd

[frigid vector]

You get way more bskill opportunities

[gritty olive]

you have ten minutes to clear it

@mystic halo would you believe a 7k dps surtr, combustion damage ignored

[dry kindle]

should include the 1 cycle build as well

[frigid vector]

We'll need to see how the 3 extra stages pan out but 2/3 would enable it

[gritty olive]

@ocean saffron just chill i havent extended my table yet to 73 rows

[ocean saffron]

i think my ember does more than 7k dps 🙂

[frigid vector]

Can we even 1 cycle anything rn

[dry kindle]

i mean 1 cycle ult

[daring dove]

Last Rite won't leave me alone, got her P3 already an got her weapon straight away off the banner as well. I'll have to try her out after I finish building my Laevatain team.

[frigid vector]

You taking about the pure ult one?

Oh

[dry kindle]

ya

[frigid vector]

Isn't the dmg on that wayyyy lower

[gritty olive]

can you try starting at 0 energy

[dry kindle]

also p5 can 1 cycle rhodagn does that count

[frigid vector]

Fun as hell though

[mystic halo]

dude

p0

can oneshot rhodan

[frigid vector]

Damn link

[mystic halo]

once buffers are raised and essenced

[dry kindle]

how the fuck does that one even work

link isnt that bullshit

right

[frigid vector]

You need to kill in 1 bskill lol

Since he force ends stagger at a hp threshold

[mystic halo]

enhanced skill isnt improved that much by dupes or pot

[wintry hazel]

Does stanza on ardelia

Gives more dps increase teamwide

[mystic halo]

but you do have to gamble 5% crit

[wintry hazel]

Than her sig

[dry kindle]

not even using ginseng smh

[mystic halo]

yea

but it's doable

[wintry hazel]

I thought perlica was bad for buff slave

[mystic halo]

it's a bit slower

[wintry hazel]

Y these ppl use wild wanderer too

[dry kindle]

whats link multiplier on bskill again

[mystic halo]

because you have to be more precise with the hp threshold

[dry kindle]

35 or 40%

[mystic halo]

than the video from cbt

[wintry hazel]

Opal

[tropic minnow]

There are 2 of them how do i know which one am i supposed to use?

[wintry hazel]

Do yk if stanza on ardelia does better team wide dps increase than her sig?

[mystic halo]

do you have a det unit user

or no

[dry kindle]

🔥 anyway

[frigid vector]

30/45/60/75

[wintry hazel]

No

I switched oblivion to wild wanderer

Bcs I saw most ppl use wild wanderer on perli

[mystic halo]

how many dupe on stanza

[wintry hazel]

1 sadly

[mystic halo]

i assume none on sig

[wintry hazel]

Yh

I saw this guy using it on her so

[dry kindle]

i cant find it

bilibili just showing me 800 solos

[mystic halo]

if he doesnt even have essence in it

idk

uhhh

let me think

[frigid vector]

Finding what, rho 1 shot?

[mystic halo]

oh to clarify

it's possible on paper

[wintry hazel]

Ye too he doesn't have essence on it but still perform good

[mystic halo]

you can save a bar of SP

[wintry hazel]

https://youtu.be/-3ok-tzZ7Kw

[frigid vector]

Will happen soon enough np

[mystic halo]

because stanza is activated on ult

[wintry hazel]

His vid

[mystic halo]

and the gains from that are a bit difficult to calculate

let me think, with no det unit

ww

[wintry hazel]

Yeah and it's not hard to get ardelia ult bar

[gritty olive]

opal i have sp overflow, what should i do in my rotations?

[wintry hazel]

Considering she's on xeronite set

[gritty olive]

this should be normal

[dry kindle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1JbB9B2EaQ/ this the right one?

[mystic halo]

this is the cbt one

yea

[daring dove]

It would likely be better than her sig if you had a few potentials for it. Mostly because ATK% is a broken stat in this game (on weapons).

[mystic halo]

you can use it on wulfgard clannibal activation or ard skill

preferably ard

[mystic halo]

I think if you dont have essence ready for sig

and haven't already raised it

there's no point in switching to it

[wintry hazel]

And it buffs too so I'm not sure
This guy using pot2 stanza over sig tho

[wintry hazel]

Essence is easy

[mystic halo]

3 pips on the important skill is not that easy

[gritty olive]

ardelia only does phys and arts suscep. does it buff heat damage

[mystic halo]

if it's not phys

it's arts

[wintry hazel]

I mean you can also farm essence for etch so

[mystic halo]

heat is not phys

[dry kindle]

oh uh lmao?

[gritty olive]

[wintry hazel]

It's not that bad

[gritty olive]

tf

[dry kindle]

massive gains on lynx

[wintry hazel]

But anw u think stanza def better long term?

If so I'm switching

[mystic halo]

I mean I cant possibly tell you anything about the future

[daring dove]

I suppose the main weakness of this weapon though is Ardelia's healing will be quite cope compared to sig.

[mystic halo]

with any degree of certainty

[mystic halo]

ok so the thing is

3 enhanced skill in ult

is the standard currently

even with 0 energy start

[wintry hazel]

U don't use healing quite much for trim anw

But ye idk

Which one will gives higher team dps

I'll stick w that

Stanza p1 or sig no pot

[dry kindle]

3 es 4 n4?

[mystic halo]

yeah you can also fit combo

1 > 2 > combo anim cancel

is optimal

[wintry hazel]

I'm guessing stanza is better?

[dry kindle]

i cba including combo aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mystic halo]

if we are spreadsheeting we might as well assume this

[wintry hazel]

Due to getting p5 is quite easy

[dry kindle]

fml

[wintry hazel]

I mean not easy but u will eventually get p5 on it

In the future

[mystic halo]

I know Im not raising my ard sig lmao

[dry kindle]

anyway 4n4 3es lynx is still a rounding error of increase fwiw

[wintry hazel]

U gonna raise stanza?

[mystic halo]

yeah

[dry kindle]

fuck it

[wintry hazel]

Stanza and wild wander are quite crazy

[frigid vector]

Can you show that? I was only managing 2

[dry kindle]

we include combo

[mystic halo]

I have essence for it

[wintry hazel]

Yh alr ima js go stanza too

[mystic halo]

it revolves around wulfgard ult timeline

[wintry hazel]

I wish I chose therminate cutter instead oblivion

[mystic halo]

he can solo give her two enhanced skills

[frigid vector]

I do use wulf ult for reset

Not 0 ult start but

This is what I was doing

[mystic halo]

I'll see if I have time to record later tn

I'm not home currently

[dry kindle]

mfw burn team on its way to require the same amount of button presses as rite

i dont have p5

[frigid vector]

Wtf I can't timestamp link on mobile?

Ass

https://youtu.be/JguUJg5lEiA?si=5nMkQ1LWgmvItcUx

15:35

[ocean saffron]

u can just join me instead

😎

[dry kindle]

fuck you

[dry kindle]

skill issue

[mystic halo]

i opened the link in discord and it gave me an ad for a porn game because I have vpn to hk

xddd

anyway the core idea is to delay getting into ult a bit and shuffle wulfgard/antal startup

[frigid vector]

Standard gacha game target audience ad tbh

[mystic halo]

you want to go into ult with 1 stack on enemy

[ocean saffron]

are you guys still picking these up im getting bored of collecting them already

[daring dove]

Finally maxed ultimate.

[frigid vector]

So you mean you go into it with more melting flame stacks?

[ocean saffron]

[mystic halo]

and if you can somehow wrangle it so that you have full stacks on lae

you can do 4 bskill in one ult

[sly nymph]

ty i got trimmed after changing pog gear to arts intensity

[frigid vector]

Cause I build x4 3 times, but get it by the 5th basic string

[mystic halo]

but that is kind of impractical

[fallen cedar]

Does someone know how the arts susceptibility work? Is it multiplier at the end? So antal gives 8% more damage?

[fresh lynx]

does Laeva p1 influence slab vs tide for her?

[frigid vector]

If you don't have any other sources of it, yes

Sus is a separate multi, so it gives that much of an increase unless you're saturated

[mystic halo]

and Im not sure if this is doable anymore because of the changes they made

【【详解】莱万汀4次强化战技 极限爆发轴 - 明日方舟：终末地 三测】 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Z7mvByEgR/

[frigid vector]

I guess I can see that but I'm usually going into it with 0 sp

And that's with x3 cskill lead up

I guess if I delay a bit might work

[mystic halo]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15wm1BiE9U/ and there is also this to reference

with no wulfgard p5, even

[frigid vector]

Ah right I need to get p5 wulf on live too 😔

[mystic halo]

oh if you have no p5 wulf

[dry kindle]

slab is op lets fucking go

[mystic halo]

dont think about 3 in one ult

in current patch

[dry kindle]

kill me

[mystic halo]

lmao

it's not worth it

lae is a fraud unfortunately

carried by goat wulfgard

[dry kindle]

do timeline and dpsp for me okty

[mystic halo]

cringe main dps

[gritty olive]

should be p4, not p1

[mystic halo]

asking for your resources and essence farm and mastery

vs gigachad support

lv60 naked

[dry kindle]

mfw no gear

anyway

[drifting quest]

@twilit quail Whats the reason for double xiranite on fortmaker vs bonekrusha + aether gloves

[dry kindle]

ginseng doesnt change it

[drifting quest]

am i missing something

[dry kindle]

slab is a fraud

lets go

[drifting quest]

isnt aether gloves more intensity while still hitting er%

[frigid vector]

Oh damn he's using bskill raw

[fresh lynx]

p1 gives back a bit more SP so i was curious if that would make tide set better or worse on her

[twilit quail]

oh I forgot my notes there

whoops

hang on a second

[fresh lynx]

like would that give back enough sp to make the tide ult gain less valuable

[dry kindle]

do i just steal this for dpsp

[dry kindle]

no

[frigid vector]

The p1 sp wouldn't make too much of a diff, esp as you don't get ult energy from returns

[dry kindle]

returned sp does not count to ult energy generation

[frigid vector]

But you get bskill dmg

Which makes tide be more competitive as it becomes a greater proportion of your damage

Although that's less tide and more just x2 pyrometers

[fresh lynx]

that makes 2x pyrometer better?

[dry kindle]

go my 108% bskill damage

[frigid vector]

I haven't calced it myself but

It'd probably be better esp with 2 per ult

[dry kindle]

its already basically equal without p1

[gritty olive]

how does slab buff mainstat attribute

so like your base is the instrinsic ones and you gain a portion of it?

[dry kindle]

yeah

[frigid vector]

What's the first/ second column? Individual skill vs total in rotation?

[dry kindle]

base then multis added

its scuff i dont format personal sheets

[frigid vector]

Also are you calcing with dmg bonus saturation from team

[dry kindle]

yes

even tho there basically is none somehow

[frigid vector]

[dry kindle]

wulfgard fangs is the only +damage dealt right

[frigid vector]

No

You got antal obj

Ardelia sig

[dry kindle]

i have him on det

[frigid vector]

Is det better

[dry kindle]

1 sec

[frigid vector]

Tbh I used it too but

In hindsight

[dry kindle]

ardelia sig is only taken

[wintry hazel]

What's wulf main set

Hot work?

[frigid vector]

P5 obj looks superior so my bad

[dry kindle]

isnt stanza better than obj anyway

[frigid vector]

Oh and

Xiranite

[dry kindle]

kill me

[wintry hazel]

Atp p5 obj>therminate cutter, detonate 😭

[frigid vector]

Love me f2p weapons winning

Well unless you get fuck all luck with dupes

[dry kindle]

800 white nova dupes upon ye

[twilit quail]

ok I'm going down a rabbit hole rn where I discovered a mistake in my spreadsheeting so this might be a while

for fuck's sake

[gritty olive]

opal does susceptibility fall under vuln?

[dry kindle]

why the fuck wont sheets let me drag cells anymore

[dry kindle]

no

[gritty olive]

ok

[dry kindle]

damage dealt x damage taken x amp x suscept

[frigid vector]

https://shimo.im/docs/erAdM7JrNxtZy53G the formula bible

[gritty olive]

damn

[dry kindle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.0 we got an en one

[twilit quail]

ok phew it's fine I didn't fuck up that much

[twilit quail]

it's the best 0 artifice set

I thought I messed up my spreadsheeting real bad

but I didnt

everything is fine

[drifting quest]

i was assuming artificing included

on me then

[twilit quail]

no I missed it in the notes too

I also trolled it

[drifting quest]

also is there a second ult gain breakpoint

now i think about it

[twilit quail]

possibly but I dont know if it's practical to hit it

[sly nymph]

why is it aethertech and not the hot work kit when it has same intensity and correct mainstat

[twilit quail]

or rather, if there is anything to be meaningfully gained

beacuse it's actually ok to be a little bit below requirement?

[drifting quest]

is there a point to bonekrusha then for therm/sig with no artificing

[twilit quail]

I just replaced it

refresh the page

[drifting quest]

if you're not hitting the breakpoint then is any arts intensity body not just more practical

[twilit quail]

that one is with artificing

oh shit

ok so

there is a secondary slightly lesser breakpoint

where the ult is effectively only delayed by one team bskill

[drifting quest]

i figured there was a second i just hadnt seen it listed

[twilit quail]

and doesnt fall out of cycle

until 3 rotations pass

it's

it's very bizarre

and I dont even know if it actually works this way

[dry kindle]

[twilit quail]

but that is how it would seem

[drifting quest]

might be nice to just have some sort of indication what pieces need artificing

[twilit quail]

because with dapan if everyone meets their threshold you are actually very slightly overflowing

that's a good idea

[drifting quest]

a little 🔼 or something in the corner

there's the official icon for it but i dont know if its been extracted to a png

[twilit quail]

I'll just use some shitty screenshot

it's fine

probably best that it's similar to what is ingame anyway

for heuristics if nothing else

[drifting quest]

yeah

(no one will understand what it means and i will explain it 14 times an hour)

[drifting quest]

there was like

2 other things

p6 instead of p5

[twilit quail]

ok well the funny thing is that I havent had this concern yet

[drifting quest]

minor typo

[twilit quail]

like the necessity has not yet appeared

[drifting quest]

i dont remember what the last thing was

[twilit quail]

before physical

to indicate like this

fucking physical

[drifting quest]

physical try not to get a new build every hour challenge

[dry kindle]

at least it does damage

[twilit quail]

original ak habit

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah it facerolled the hardest content underlevelled with mid gear

[frigid vector]

I mean it's early days, if things aren't changing frequently itd be concerning

[drifting quest]

i get very annoyed at p5

[gritty olive]

👀

now this should be more believable

[drifting quest]

every other game does 6

waaaaa

but also p1 being the base was annoying in arknights too

[gritty olive]

750k/min

[dry kindle]

jumping prydwen for being dumb on a gacha launch hasnt changed

[dry kindle]

why are weapon dupes also called pots thats the real question

[drifting quest]

potentials

[dry kindle]

fuckin p0p0

[drifting quest]

pp

haha

[vernal torrent]

do i need to use b oth wolf and ake's skills at the start of my rotation?

[drifting quest]

childish humour

!!

its better than like

zzz

[dry kindle]

death

[drifting quest]

m0w0

gross

hsr

e0r1

gross

[twilit quail]

chinese just say 0+1

up to 6+5

everyone should use this

I dont know why they dont

[frigid vector]

Tbh I think they're fine, wasn't lae page updated to highlight diff

[twilit quail]

also I cant lie I despise the term theorycrafter

I just hate it so fucking much

[dry kindle]

tbh i dont even check prydwen at all anymore

im just legally required to jump anything they recommend

[drifting quest]

some words just

reek

theorycrafter is one of them

[twilit quail]

right?

it's repulsive

ontologically so

[frigid vector]

If sets are ordered by dmg and you take a standard rot, esp one with single bskill and it seems fair

[dry kindle]

does prydwen still have the dumbass numbers on rite weapons

[frigid vector]

I mean what else, "gamer" feels worse

[twilit quail]

god I hope physical settles down

[drifting quest]

after a big content creator got involved

[twilit quail]

I dont want to fucking update this anymore

[frigid vector]

I see that as a win though

[drifting quest]

there's a bunch of issues with other builds too

[vernal torrent]

anyone can help me with understanding the rotations on ake wulf laev?

[dry kindle]

oh fml

[drifting quest]

that didnt get changed

[dry kindle]

a word is censored

[twilit quail]

which a word

[frigid vector]

Being receptive and engaging with ccs is great

[drifting quest]

it'll settle down for a week or two then tangtang will fuck it all up

[mystic halo]

PLEASE do the kuro thing where the characters are literally just random elements

[dry kindle]

artist

[mystic halo]

dartboard

[dry kindle]

no

we are not playing fucking guess the element

[twilit quail]

it would be funny

[dry kindle]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mystic halo]

nature mi fu

[dry kindle]

anyway yeah uh what

[gritty olive]

[frigid vector]

Guoba had something like that too no?

[drifting quest]

damn i invested in laev ardelia wulf ake

[dry kindle]

sundered is not 80%

[drifting quest]

i cant believe laev ardelia wulf ake sheets better

[vernal torrent]

is there a rotation guide?

[gritty olive]

pulling this out my ass rn

[drifting quest]

depends on a couple things

[gritty olive]

this is the rotation for it, assuming 0 energy start

[vernal torrent]

what about wolf boy

never use his skill?

[dry kindle]

32% atk is not 80% of 39% atk 32% all skill 48% cryo damage

[gritty olive]

hes just combo bot here lol. i havent accounted for his presence currently

[vernal torrent]

also how do u use double ake skill

[gritty olive]

two sp bars

[vernal torrent]

ahhhh

[drifting quest]

ake skill > wulf combo > laev p5 > ard combo > ard enhanced skill > laev combo > ... > wulf ult > laev combo > laev enhanced skill
assumes precharged wulf ult, some downtime

wulf skill > ake skill > wulf combo > laev p5 > ard combo > laev combo > laev enhanced skill
assumes no ults

also has a similar downtime

since its sp stuff

[gritty olive]

you guys just craft better rotations

[drifting quest]

there's other ones with akekuri ult where you can kill the downtime

[gritty olive]

ill implement them assuming starting 0 sp

[kindred sorrel]

where are the videos/calcs for ult charge set laeva

[drifting quest]

there's also the laev ult opener ones

[dry kindle]

its ass dpsp

[mystic halo]

dude

[drifting quest]

200 sp, 0 ult charge

is the baseline

[mystic halo]

all of the autists

are too fixated on physical currently

come back and check in... a week?

[drifting quest]

you should realistically assume that but also umbral monument is mimimi and you can just precharge for trims

[dry kindle]

modssssssssssssssss ban for bypass

[mystic halo]

I am included in there so it's ok

[kindred sorrel]

guess i have to go bilibili

[mystic halo]

only now?

[drifting quest]

ok give us some credit, like 30% of the time is spent hating on yvonne too

[mystic halo]

the agenda must be upheld

[drifting quest]

66.1%

om

[kindred sorrel]

but what about with hot gloves instead of xiranite because p4+

[drifting quest]

huh

[dry kindle]

dpsp

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

torch performs better than expected

[gritty olive]

wdym

[drifting quest]

even per sp its less than i thought

[twilit quail]

holy

what a video

DONT PLAY YVONNE DONT PLAY YVONNE DONT PLAY YVONNE

is the title

[twilit quail]

let me sample this

[kindred sorrel]

bilibili is a pain to navigate without an account

[dry kindle]

skill issue

[gritty olive]

what weapons for lae

[dry kindle]

just make one

[gritty olive]

give me five

[drifting quest]

i made an account for cn arknights lmao

[dry kindle]

same

[kindred sorrel]

just gonna borrow my gf's account or something

[dry kindle]

or pgr beta

idr

[drifting quest]

(i havent logged in for like week(s))

i missed titi

[gritty olive]

scathe, torh=ch, what else?

[dry kindle]

one of the 2

[drifting quest]

i only started with sash2

[kindred sorrel]

pretty sure she pays for premium or some shit

[dry kindle]

[frigid vector]

making a bili account wasn't that bad

[drifting quest]

just those

nothing else is worth it lmao

[twilit quail]

I have premium

[frigid vector]

unless you're registering for games in which case you need ID

[gritty olive]

[twilit quail]

Im chinese

[dry kindle]

isnt it a pain in the ass after 2021 or whatever year

[gritty olive]

im borrowing a blibili acc

[drifting quest]

if you want to show off how bad alternatives are try white night and like

fortmaker(?)

idk what the next cope choice is

[twilit quail]

fortmaker is worse than 4*

[drifting quest]

maybe a 4* int stat stick yeah

i dont know if one exists

[gritty olive]

assuming they used the selector for something else?

[twilit quail]

whitenight is horrible garbage

there is one

blue sword

[drifting quest]

ah

makes sense then

[kindred sorrel]

idc about dpsp, im going all in on charge set

[drifting quest]

white night nova cant even compare to umbral though

and umbral cant compare to sig

lmao

charge set is likely better

[vernal torrent]

ill go all in when im rich enough to

then slowly transition to it

good thing the body armor is consistent across both builds

so i can artifice that first

[drifting quest]

i was trying not to just say its better because i was coping they made umbral monument a real mode but alas

[twilit quail]

ok yeah he is just complaining about all the normal stuff

[kindred sorrel]

gloves too if youre p4+

[twilit quail]

xdd

[frigid vector]

oh right

[kindred sorrel]

xiranite is only for those p0 users

[twilit quail]

every time i see her i think of pnc

tragedy

[frigid vector]

on this, these are the numbers I've seen aside from pryd

YZ moon and guoba

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

i need to find the yvonne ksante meme again

they're always golden

[dry kindle]

guess it is if its yzmoon

sounds so wrong tho

[vernal torrent]

ngl guys

even with a scuff build and stuff on my laev

shes so much better than yvonne lol

even without knowing the rotation at all

[dry kindle]

everyones better than yvonne

[twilit quail]

yz is currently spamming video about yvonne+LR to farm views

Im not convinced even he believes in the comp

[kindred sorrel]

surely they'll release dedicated yvonne supports

[frigid vector]

I mean

[drifting quest]

i hate it i hate it i hate it

[frigid vector]

it got like 400k views

didn't it

[drifting quest]

its always like

[dry kindle]

yvonne lr my beloved

[drifting quest]

exactly

yvonne lr xaihi snowshine

[frigid vector]

until we get cryo chen yvonne feels bricked

[dry kindle]

the best yvonne support is a dps that out dpses the dps

[gritty olive]

would you guys believe me or guoba for calculations

[twilit quail]

literally just view farming

[drifting quest]

USE A REAL TIME RAAAAAAAAAH

[frigid vector]

nature teams seems ass, cryo team seems ass

[gritty olive]

[dry kindle]

that just makes rite better 😭

we need a nature chen or some shit

[frigid vector]

fluorite

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

i suffer every time i have to unironically recommend fluorite

[vernal torrent]

even laev just goofing around hits harder numbers gg bricked

[kindred sorrel]

i just need leek girl and mi fu to be fun

[mystic halo]

the conniptions

[frigid vector]

I could get past her no buff/dmg if she had good combo skill cd

but alas

devs definitely overvaluing that p5

[vernal torrent]

wish i didnt 90 90 my stupid yvonne and instead got my laev to 90 90

[drifting quest]

guys how do i use yvonne but i dont have gilberta and i dont like xaihi

[vernal torrent]

now im suffering my own consequences

[frigid vector]

p5 mi fu on release

[dry kindle]

one of these is not the same

[frigid vector]

bet

[drifting quest]

[mystic halo]

Im more excited for p5 vfx

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

than their abilities

xd

[vernal torrent]

btw idc if akekuri isnt that great i love her

[dry kindle]

inb4 they get scammed like laev

[vernal torrent]

shes adorable as hell

[dry kindle]

she is great

💀

[vernal torrent]

i will be using ake with my laev

[dry kindle]

was complete bullshit in cbt2

[frigid vector]

tbh

[dry kindle]

still good now

[frigid vector]

with umbral

akekuri may unironically be good

[drifting quest]

akekuri got both her legs broken and still outperforms a ton of units

[dry kindle]

tbh

cbt2 was a mistake

100 energy 300 sp

[kindred sorrel]

what as a dps?

[frigid vector]

wait

as a dps?

no as a heat infliction bot

aoe on that bskill

[drifting quest]

why umbral then

[mystic halo]

rossi will literally just be cbt akekuri

no changes

[kindred sorrel]

ye why umbral lol

[dry kindle]

😭

[frigid vector]

because from cbt2 2/3 umbral stages were filled with mobs

[kindred sorrel]

bruh i thought you meant umbral torch

[frigid vector]

rather than having antal spam focus every so often for a pitiful recovery

[drifting quest]

oh

YEAH LMAO

[frigid vector]

no

[dry kindle]

bruh

you both suck

[frigid vector]

umbral monument

[dry kindle]

😭

[drifting quest]

i was like why the fuck are you running umbral torch

lmao

[frigid vector]

[kindred sorrel]

[dry kindle]

why the fuck do you even remember its name

smh

[mystic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ave-mujica-bandori-bang-dream-sped-up-speed-up-gif-7331405030059565822

[drifting quest]

neurodivergence

[dry kindle]

fund my pulls

[kindred sorrel]

p6 asap

[drifting quest]

i was big into pokemon as a kid I still remember the names of every single one

[kindred sorrel]

gbnf thorns

[mystic halo]

how much bst does tentacruel have

[frigid vector]

list the whole gen 3 pokedex

[drifting quest]

gen 1 or after

[rugged kiln]

What’s bad about fluorite?

[mystic halo]

after

[dry kindle]

what isnt

[drifting quest]

415?

[mystic halo]

515

close enough

[drifting quest]

oop

[mystic halo]

certified

[gritty olive]

garbage

[kindred sorrel]

whats the stat spread of electivire (its ass, cant one shot or outspeed anything in the metagame)

[frigid vector]

fluorite damage is low, she offers no meaningful buffs, and her combo skill has a ridiculous 40s/38s cd

[mystic halo]

dude

electrivire

HAHAHA

oh how about one everyone knows

[kindred sorrel]

permanently OU ranked btw because of how gen 4 works

[mystic halo]

what is ledian's sp def

[rugged kiln]

What were the devs thinking with that combo skill cd

[drifting quest]

110

fire

[mystic halo]

🔥

[dry kindle]

most normal day in tc chat

[frigid vector]

her P5 allows you to reduce it by

1 (one) second

[dry kindle]

its so good wdym

[frigid vector]

whenever you apply inflictions

[vernal torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1446226828451774476/1466876249162125605/caption.gif

[mystic halo]

dude are you guys up to date with like gen9 stuff

[frigid vector]

well, cryo/nature inflictions

[drifting quest]

not so much

[mystic halo]

did you know that dachsbun is usable in ubers

[gritty olive]

[dry kindle]

last rite can get a whole fucking 7 cycles out before it comes off cooldown

[drifting quest]

lmao

[steel topaz]

I assume it's not worth maxing combo and basic?

[gritty olive]

can i get help

[mystic halo]

because it destroys koraidon

[dry kindle]

yep

[drifting quest]

i can see that

[mystic halo]

it's not good but it beats the best mon in the format

so it's usable

[drifting quest]

it gets like wish too

[kindred sorrel]

because fairy type and fire immunity ability?

[drifting quest]

so it has utility at least

[midnight stirrup]

@mystic halo are you the cryo guy

[mystic halo]

threatens ohk with play rough

[midnight stirrup]

or gal

[mystic halo]

resists dragon

[drifting quest]

wishtect pr filler

[mystic halo]

immune to fire with well baked body

my goat

[kindred sorrel]

immune for dragon too

[mystic halo]

why do you ask

[midnight stirrup]

Im running into a combo order issue even tho team is ordered in a way to make it go in a certain order

Xaihi/Perlica issue

[mystic halo]

technically koraidon can take iron head to ohk it but no one is taking koraidon iron head

[midnight stirrup]

Xaihi should be comboing first, but Perlica shows up when its not her time yet before Xaihi

[mystic halo]

for the dachsbun matchup

[midnight stirrup]

Even tho Xaihi is slot 2, Perlica slot 4

[mystic halo]

this is perlica xaihi ard yes?

[midnight stirrup]

Correct

I got footage if u want to see it

[drifting quest]

i watched abr vs tele live

good times

[mystic halo]

are you doing normal opener or oneshot opener

if you are pressing like

lr skill > ard qte

is normal for perlica qte to come first

[midnight stirrup]

Im currently doing

[dry kindle]

[torn raft]

does final strike sp recovery trigger the sp recovery effects on weapons?

[mystic halo]

cause in normal stuff where you are doing 3 stacks > expend you dont press xaihi skill until later

[dry kindle]

no

[torn raft]

ok ty

[mystic halo]

4 stacks oneshot is different

[gritty olive]

does slab really give more attack

[frigid vector]

as in the attack stat? it should if you have max trust/essence etching

[dry kindle]

150 at absolute max

[frigid vector]

I think at all artificing levels its always more but by varying amounts

[twilit quail]

you get a bit more esp with food but it's not an overall gain in damage

[midnight stirrup]

I'm doing this rot, but Perlica shows up before Xaihi after Ardelia.

[gritty olive]

how does the % buff work? i only multiplied it with the % buff

[midnight stirrup]

Sorry took a bit. Was typing the combo out, but figured visual was better.

[mystic halo]

uhh

[midnight stirrup]

Xaihi and Perlica are both P5, too. I dont know if that messes with combo order.

[mystic halo]

Im trying to figure out in what circumstances this would be better than the double 3x pop

[gritty olive]

mainattribute * (1+%buff) + flat buffs

[dry kindle]

mfw no -0s xaihi and rite skill

[midnight stirrup]

That's just a rotation I started copying from a tcer from HSR

I dont know how accurate it is, since hes been inaccurate in this game.

[mystic halo]

I see

[midnight stirrup]

Probably trying to rush guides out.

[frigid vector]

you kind of need to use last rite skill for her ult energy no?

[gritty olive]

guoba is peak, but its too early imo

[frigid vector]

and what's -0 xaihi

[dry kindle]

there was a weird ass cn timeline i seen

[gritty olive]

i doubt these types of TCers even try to match damage first before calculating

[midnight stirrup]

I agree

[dry kindle]

i meant using both before activating combat

[midnight stirrup]

I figured his shit was valid since hes super credible in HSR

But yeah, early game shenanigans.

[frigid vector]

that's

gonna fuck you up in umbral monument

since it starts you into the fight insta

[mystic halo]

yep!

[dry kindle]

its rite xaihi

its fucked by default

[mystic halo]

ice team!

[frigid vector]

it feels pretty good on single targets

[mystic halo]

this seems like exceptionally poor coverage to me

[dry kindle]

in last rite final strike sp recovery we trust

[mystic halo]

try this instead

hang on

[midnight stirrup]

Take your time, I appreciate it

[frigid vector]

don't have rite built but it seems like it can comfortably 2 stagger fights

[midnight stirrup]

Last Rite is peak

Enjoying the gameplay a lot with the cancels

[frigid vector]

and she actually builds sp/stagger really fast with cancels

ye

[midnight stirrup]

Havent gotten gold gear yet though L O L

[dry kindle]

30sp final strikes go brr

[vagrant sparrow]

[midnight stirrup]

P1 is also nice

[mystic halo]

it's ms paint time

[midnight stirrup]

5 extra stagger

[dry kindle]

oh hi

[frigid vector]

yeah I'm

shilling last rite idc

[dry kindle]

oh right this mf has p5 rite

[frigid vector]

wtf

[dry kindle]

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bob-ross-AbPNdmgk6TJK

[frigid vector]

np yz moon rite is a thing

[midnight stirrup]

Who, me?

Hell nah

I got P1R1

[frigid vector]

guy from the bili video

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

mb

TFW I got P5R1 Laev but LR the one built

Another one bites the dust

[dry kindle]

[vagrant sparrow]

kinda crazy how arknights official server is this "normal" , trying to interact on the wuwa server is a journey

[dry kindle]

who the fuck gave this person money

[vagrant sparrow]

and not a good one

[midnight stirrup]

Ill build her next patch, surely

[midnight stirrup]

Wuwa community is a bunch of airheads too busy trying to start fights with the Genshin community

Also it got Saintonas, cooked.

[simple spoke]

hubby to 90, only now seeing his dogshit base attack

fuck it we ball

[midnight stirrup]

Do we know how long a patch lasts?

[simple spoke]

Idk if i should even level his weapon or wait to get a replacement

[vagrant sparrow]

he is so hot.

[mystic halo]

try this

[simple spoke]

each banner is 2 weeks so 6 methinks

[midnight stirrup]

His signature is the standard thing you can lose to. Id wait, youre gonna get it at some point

[midnight stirrup]

Fair logic thinking, thanks

[dry kindle]

hey its the one i was looking for

[midnight stirrup]

Bro went the extra mile for me. Lemme see if my small brain can understand it

[dry kindle]

thats also weird

[simple spoke]

Hopefully i hit clannibal while getting gilby weapon

[dry kindle]

like where tf the second cryo from

[vernal torrent]

how do i raise laev's attack? what are the main channels?

[mystic halo]

uh

[dry kindle]

weapon essence

[mystic halo]

prepull bs

xd

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

last rite when told

she cant get 200 sp for free

doubles over, writhes on the ground, and dies

[dry kindle]

tbh

shes basically a vanguard with dash canceling final attack sp

[midnight stirrup]

I was thinking the same

I guess he assumes u cast BS when available?

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[mystic halo]

prepull

and also press when available

cause in standard you are only using SP on xaihi otherwise

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah I aint prepulling, that shit too sweaty