theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

[hasty stirrup]

also artificing is a little costly, but I assume when more wuling is released, we will just get more credit-> so more artificing attempt

[dry kindle]

doubt

[noble tapir]

Yeah, that's my thought too

Right now we're capped at one level 2 stock exchange and one level 2 depot

so not a lot of ways to actually make stocks in wuling

[mystic halo]

you still get 1m a day

[drifting quest]

You can easily be less

[mystic halo]

idk skill issue

[drifting quest]

Bad rng on elastic goods makes your income like

400k

Lmao

[dry kindle]

all these db sites are ass aaaaaaaaaaa

[mystic halo]

I get 700-800k

with no elastic sell

[hasty stirrup]

Maybe when more wuling release, hey will nerf the reduction to make it on part with valley IV 😅
Currently a lot of similar thing are just lower cost in Wuling to fit the lower revenue

[drifting quest]

From where

Delivery and selling isnt that much

[mystic halo]

refreshing for 3 80k depot order

if youre too lazy to that, that's fine

[dry kindle]

uh huh

[drifting quest]

Gg

[mystic halo]

but just know that youre leaving it on the table by choice

[hasty stirrup]

my current day

[dry kindle]

a humble fucking 2691% intensity

[drifting quest]

2700% !!

We gotta run that shit

[dry kindle]

oh for fuck sake

[noble tapir]

damn that's op!

[hasty stirrup]

datamined gear ?

[mystic halo]

like look

790k without selling

[dry kindle]

welp

does anyone have a max slab pic 🗿

[fair pond]

that much without selling is insane

[mystic halo]

if you are trying the average is litearlly 1m/day

so

[hasty stirrup]

for the 300k depot node it's becquse you hqve done the 3 delivery for others player M

[mystic halo]

yes

[fair pond]

OH i was wondering how tf you got that much from depot nodes

[hasty stirrup]

I never find any for Wuling 😅

[fair pond]

^

[drifting quest]

I need to make myself a daily goals tracker for endfield

[hasty stirrup]

People keep it for themself (it's understable)

[drifting quest]

I always end up forgetting to do stuff

[kindred sorrel]

at best you'll find 15k wuling deliveries lmao

[fair pond]

dont they still get the rewards if you share it though

[kindred sorrel]

if you share it, theres a chance the person that takes it messes up though right?

[hasty stirrup]

I think you get a little lees, no ?

[kindred sorrel]

like taking damage/tping

[fair pond]

uhh probably not exactly what youre looking for but the mission reminder has reminders to gather stuff

fair fair

[drifting quest]

It was not

[fair pond]

i live to serve

[noble tapir]

You only get less from transfering the depot run if the person you transfer it to jumps or takes damage or whatever

[civic wolf]

Laventain skill prio? basic attack first?

[mystic halo]

omw to damage it to 1% to punish everyone else for subcontracting their orders

[noble tapir]

ult>battle skill>combo skill>basic

[hasty stirrup]

after bying most of the Valley IV shop, you can just stop doing delivery imo
You get enough to buy the weekly things

[dry kindle]

if the site you meant was perlica.moe im jumping out a window

[kindred sorrel]

i think most people in current endgame just share their v4 depot missions

not really worth wasting time on them yourself lol

[gritty olive]

iirc her basic attack is prioritized last

skill -> ult -> combo -> basic

ill let you know later if im going to complete it

[fathom spear]

still need ? mine max int and main

[gritty olive]

has there been a skill/combo that had no stagger values?

[dry kindle]

ya

[hasty stirrup]

When you don't use the skill at all. Like Perlica fo team when she is here for her combo only

[drifting quest]

I dont think so

(Its gonna be that one now)

[dry kindle]

fml number time

[civic wolf]

so with Lav you can get away with investing ONLY on Lav, while with phys you need to invest on everyone, right?

[gritty olive]

so none. ok ill just add values to all of them

[civic wolf]

like idk if there is even a point in lv80 Ake/wulf/Ardelia lol

damn

[hasty stirrup]

yes, I just put my support at lvl 60

[civic wolf]

and theres nothing worth leveling aside from Ake ult lol

so phys is more expensive for less results than Lav hyper?

man

[hasty stirrup]

Lvl 80 will be maybe worth for some mastery, but because Endfield use the shitty mecanics of putting a limited items for mastery, you can't raise everyone...

[fathom spear]

i also have max tide fall, in my team lynx mostly do better
however tidefall do better in cases like stage 2 aggelo when i start with full stack melting flame
maybe just swap between them

[drifting quest]

It performs better after investing sufficiently

[mystic halo]

physical is missing a 6* unit to cash out

the supports are quite good

[drifting quest]

Tangtang stocks

Just wait

[mystic halo]

the unit to cash out on it is not there yet

[lavish jay]

@mystic halo is there a way to filter out just wuling delivery jobs?

[mystic halo]

no

just raw dog it

[civic wolf]

if Tangtang phys i will soooo be pulling for her

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/tangtang-tangtang-arknights-endfield-tangtang-arknights-arknights-endfield-arknights-gif-10334439685536097513

[lavish jay]

man i tried refreshing, when wuling pops out, tried accepting and its gone lmao

feels like it takes ages to get one

[hasty stirrup]

Because Tang tang is gun wielder, I think she will be elemental. Mifu may be physical 🤔

[drifting quest]

Mifu is electric

She charges her gauntlets with them in a cutscene

[noble tapir]

Lycia will be the 1.1 physical dps

[dry kindle]

yeah that totally looks right

[gritty olive]

https://prnt.sc/XwhbiuFbvZ9l

[drifting quest]

Tangtang phys is pure vibes
Mifu and fangyi have been shown using electric stuff
Rossi has been shown with red vfx so probably fire

And as always cryo gets nothing

[gritty olive]

foudn this in the doc i think sworce sent for damage calc

what stagger number should i use

[noble tapir]

wuwa 2.0

[hasty stirrup]

We will lack some Nature Dps to make use of existing nature support 🤔

[noble plaza]

Any Last Rite TC here?

[drifting quest]

A lot

[gritty olive]

theres a lot?

[drifting quest]

There's like 3 lr players

[gritty olive]

[hasty stirrup]

I use Last rite. what do you mean by TC ?

[drifting quest]

Theorycraft

[gritty olive]

numbers prob

[noble plaza]

Rotations, numbers ecc

[gritty olive]

me the when

guesscrafting on feels as a temporary fix is theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

I cant believe this is a real tc channel and not off topic

[gritty olive]

[noble plaza]

I need a help

[drifting quest]

It functions as help-3 half the time anyway

[hasty stirrup]

Ask then. i am not a huge try harder, but I may have an answer

[gritty olive]

im quite confused as to how the other people are sourcing their calcs

[noble plaza]

Is this rotation ok?

[gritty olive]

currently im only focused on laevatain

[drifting quest]

A lot of it seems to be more vibecalcing

Not full formula and rots

[lavish jay]

for laev, whats the best ugprades on gears u could do? main stat + passive equally? or just passive? 🤔

[hasty stirrup]

I don't think you can combo at step 4. Ardelia need finisher on enemy with no stack 🤔

[gritty olive]

is this like

rhodogan

[drifting quest]

Ignore artificing till we know what laev gear is actually good

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

I assume so

[dry kindle]

slab is so good guys

[mystic halo]

I mean we know what is good in what situations already

[gritty olive]

ill assume 150 stagger then

[dry kindle]

[dry kindle]

theyre on the wiki.gg if you dont hate yourself

[drifting quest]

Missing monument to test properly

And if 4/5/6 monument is coming

[dry kindle]

its in medal list so

[drifting quest]

Not that 1/2/3 monument is hard

[dry kindle]

i think

or its only 1/2

[drifting quest]

A mans cope

[fathom spear]

yeah, in endgame

[gritty olive]

zamn

[dry kindle]

thats max

[noble plaza]

Uhh your right

[dry kindle]

💀

[fathom spear]

yeah i maxxed my gears

not the will stuffs tho

[drifting quest]

Max int sources w/ slab

[dry kindle]

no

[gritty olive]

if yall dont mind helping me, help me compile stagger for each character

[dry kindle]

literally max

[gritty olive]

[dry kindle]

9/9 sig

[fathom spear]

like what max ? m12 ?

[drifting quest]

That cant be right

[dry kindle]

all max artifice

[drifting quest]

Surely

[dry kindle]

bro

idfk

[mystic halo]

this is already less atk than my 4/6/3

🙂

[drifting quest]

Yeah it's just way too low

[mystic halo]

with tide chest

[dry kindle]

we fucking love maths being wrong

[drifting quest]

Id assume something is wrong

Id hope something is wrong

[mystic halo]

and I have no strength artifice

[drifting quest]

Surely it aint that dire

[mystic halo]

cluegi

[dry kindle]

i swear if i put this in desmos and its different

[drifting quest]

Ill be home in 20-30m ill have a look

[dry kindle]

explodes

[noble tapir]

You did it gang

[hasty stirrup]

Ardelia is a little weird in LR team imo because she can only proc her combo at the start of the rotation, and you may miss her debuff when hitting LR combo.
And also she need some SP to hit debuff (when LR just moslty want all of them 😅 )
I currently test with fluorite instead and it feel more fluid (you spam more combo and Ult to compensate Ardelia debuff)

[mystic halo]

this is like when the car wheel bolts are torqued too tight by the workshop guys

and you swear it's just something wrong with your tools

[gritty olive]

this is under laevatain battel skill in a wiki. is this. kind of confusing

[mystic halo]

not that the thing is just like that

[gritty olive]

or is this just her enhanced skill momento

[dry kindle]

why is it fuckin lower than yours aaaaaaaaaaa

[noble plaza]

But Flouorite has 40s cooldown 🙁

[hasty stirrup]

I use the combo skill reduction set + her p5 reduce by 1s every cryo stack
Also I alternate with her ult to produce cryo

[mystic halo]

by doing this

we can partially cure one of the hobbling invalid's legs

[dry kindle]

you dont

[dry kindle]

just delay it

[gritty olive]

are the first two values for each hit

kinda confusing that the 165% is distributed across ten hits, but the stagger 3 is for each hit if thats what this meant

[stoic dragon]

what does good match mean, higher chance for success?

[hasty stirrup]

what do you mean by delay it ? ardelia combo ?

[dry kindle]

ok

im just killing whoever wrote the doc

[hasty stirrup]

yes. But don't do it, because you will waste articing item

[dry kindle]

nevermind

the fuck is this

[mystic halo]

back to the mines

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.0 ?

[stoic dragon]

I have an item that hasn't been artificed yet, and still got a good match condition

[dry kindle]

tf is your laev numbers

[gritty olive]

aint no way that this shit are the three spins from her enhanced

[dry kindle]

good match is just fodder stat higher than target stat

[hasty stirrup]

I think it's because the used items have better base stats, so the chance are biggers to raise it I think

[stoic dragon]

450

[gritty olive]

1600% seems onpoint

[mystic halo]

450 is still only 5 days of stam

it's nott hat bad

[stoic dragon]

so its doesn't affect the chances?

[dry kindle]

tf are these numbers

[dry kindle]

it does

[stoic dragon]

ahh

alr

[hasty stirrup]

it does

[stoic dragon]

ty"

[mystic halo]

ok

hear me out

what if

we should stock affliction-cleansing food

for umbral

maybe we should plant chilli

[dry kindle]

what are your laev numbers

[wise pilot]

is it worth it to artifice gears now? specifically laevs i'm already in endgame

[dry kindle]

oh fml trust pots

[drifting quest]

Unless you have a specific thing you want to chase right now e.g. trim and cant currently do it

Then wait for more testing

[hasty stirrup]

no because hard mode don't allow tactical

[dry kindle]

yeah no lynx is still getting bodied what

[drifting quest]

Ill be able to check shortly

[wintry hazel]

Should I bench my lv 80 oblivion perlica for wild wanderer? Wild wanderer seems to be a lot better especially for electro team dps

I'm using obj light on arclight
Ardelia sig
And jet on avy

[wintry hazel]

Is there a calculation for this?

[mystic halo]

how many dupes on ww

[dry kindle]

i dont get this shit a seal build is hitting like 5.3

[wintry hazel]

Only 2 sadly

[mystic halo]

uhhhh

[wintry hazel]

But still it does seem to be giving far higher dps

Idk tho

It's just that my perlica does 70k dmg rn on ult

[mystic halo]

ahhh ok I see

[wintry hazel]

With pulsar set

[mystic halo]

so

[gritty olive]

toughness applied now

[mystic halo]

because electric team is in cringe state currently

gains from making perlica buff slave is not actually that good

[wintry hazel]

Im also thinking of using the +34 intensity and rotate to wanderer for higher dps increase (avy)

[mystic halo]

oblivion is actually kind of winning

when the team is highly raised

cause you have 1 other unit that does any damage

and that unit isnt LR level

if you had more WW dupes I would say go for it

[wintry hazel]

U see the minmax number of dmg on CN player

[mystic halo]

but as things currently are the gains are probably not worth it

[wintry hazel]

It's like 45-60k/spear

[mystic halo]

yeah cause it's max dupe ww

you dont have it

so

[wintry hazel]

Im only doing around 27k rn

[mystic halo]

if you have max dupe yes of course

[wintry hazel]

Fair I guess

Still tho should I even bother changing to

+34 intensity glove

Or stick for sub dps perlica

[gritty olive]

good bye enemy elite

[wintry hazel]

There's a calc that says

Thermal s1>obj light?

[mystic halo]

typically yes this is the case because of buff environment

[mystic halo]

the thing is

[wintry hazel]

Hm?

[mystic halo]

speedrunning perlica was using tide set in electric

in cbt

but that doesnt work anymore

[wintry hazel]

Oh

Well I mean

Pulsar 3x does give a lot of art intensity

[mystic halo]

so the numerical environment is actually considerably different

[wintry hazel]

But since u said perlica isn't that good as buff slave so

[mystic halo]

it's because avywenna doenst have 6* output

[wintry hazel]

Yeah

[mystic halo]

we use perlica in LR

and LR has the numbers

[wintry hazel]

I'm just trying to raise my dps as of now

Perhaps I should just bench my ardelia p1 with sig for antal

[mystic halo]

so putting her on like stanza or even monai duty is ok

[wintry hazel]

I could see the 40k+ number perhaps

[dry kindle]

stanza propaganda

[mystic halo]

it's about as good as you can get a 5* to be

[wintry hazel]

Yh

Well I already invested on her so

No turning back since we don't need more team as of now

I'm just experiencing with stuffs to see if I could get higher number

[mystic halo]

best thing you can do is pull next banner

and that will solve basically all the problems

so

[wintry hazel]

Gil for amp

I mean

Idk tbf

[mystic halo]

it's very good

[wintry hazel]

I got ardelia p1 w sig

[dry kindle]

gilb propaganda

[mystic halo]

I played it last test

we have good timeline for both aoe and single target

[wintry hazel]

Yeah I know it has better pot than antal

[mystic halo]

significantly stronger than no gilb

[wintry hazel]

Yeah

Maybe tho

[wintry hazel]

The current CN player I see
They just using ww on perlica , therm cutter on ake/arc, and obj on gil

So I was asking for the percentage number on dps

[gritty olive]

stagger has now been implemented properly

question, would there be a reason to hold off ults?

or just use them whenever possible

[summer flower]

There is reason, example, you fighting weak mobs when you now harder target will appear

[dry kindle]

@drifting quest https://youtu.be/GgUwcPvNF-4

excuse the fuck

[drifting quest]

How much rng is it

[dry kindle]

3 minute marble

[drifting quest]

But how much rng

[summer flower]

That's not crit

[drifting quest]

And investment

[mystic halo]

meanwhile actual physical can do it

at lv60

[summer flower]

So probably no rng

[dry kindle]

3:30 dorito

[mystic halo]

[drifting quest]

You can still crit

And theres alesh rng

[summer flower]

Yea but showed ones arent crits

[neon geode]

anyone here did some theory crafting on surtr comps? I dont trust wulfgard

[drifting quest]

The last shatter trim had perfect alesh rng

[summer flower]

I could check my setup

Alesh?

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard is core

No one applies heat better

[mystic halo]

alesh p3 is the most evil shit ever

[neon geode]

why is he core

[drifting quest]

Its shatter over phys w/ endmin

[neon geode]

what makes him better than antal

[simple spoke]

I love alesh because you get to win big or get punched in the face

[neon geode]

or why would u drop akekuri

[drifting quest]

No one applies heat infliction better than wulfgard

The 3rd slot is either akekuri or antal

[dry kindle]

aside from a p5 wulfgard

[dry kindle]

most useful vanguard

[summer flower]

Like crush dmg isn't that hard to get up on endmin

[gritty olive]

this is dodge

[summer flower]

And this one seems tailored build

[mystic halo]

that being said

using stacks on crush currently in phys

is like

decidedly not optimal at all

shatter is like a fake comp

so it's probably fine there

[neon geode]

again, i dont trust that without actually the math being portrait, because surtr can just do one unbuffed skill to get another stack

i either drop antals entire buffs or akekuris link buff

[drifting quest]

Thats giga bad to do

[gritty olive]

420 pixels -> 36 pixels

[neon geode]

why is it giga bad to do

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard generates heat without consuming sp

[neon geode]

so does antal

[dry kindle]

welp

[drifting quest]

Sp economy is already so tight for the team

[neon geode]

well akekuri doesnt

[dry kindle]

marble clear probably isnt rng

[drifting quest]

Antal and akekuri need sp

[dry kindle]

idk about dorito

its fucking dorito

[mystic halo]

the SP you use to apply the skill

[neon geode]

its 60 seconds though

[summer flower]

Endmin + chen already is around 100% sp gen eaten

[mystic halo]

the fact that you are saying this without

nvm

[gritty olive]

dodge gives 12.857 sp

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[gritty olive]

im gonna grab another screenshot

[neon geode]

again, i want to see math

[drifting quest]

What math

Read their kits bro

[summer flower]

Yea lemme dodge dead guy

[neon geode]

the differences

[dry kindle]

[summer flower]

Or one that's stuck in stone

[neon geode]

what is the point of reading their kits if math shows you the dmg outputs

[dry kindle]

cn doc said 7.5 so idk

[mystic halo]

??

[neon geode]

stop being delulu

[gritty olive]

second image

[drifting quest]

?????

[neon geode]

wtf is this, wuwa discord?

[drifting quest]

[gritty olive]

about sp gained from dodge?

[summer flower]

Ohh right measurong pixels

[dry kindle]

because if we went off math yvonne wouldnt be a horrible unit

[drifting quest]

Give me a minute

[neon geode]

why is that?

[simple spoke]

btw is it just me or does building ults take forever or am I just spoiled from how energy works in genshin

[drifting quest]

I need to think how to better explain this

[dry kindle]

fuck me

[gritty olive]

assuming one bar is 150 sp, i gained 12.857 units of sp

[dry kindle]

1 bar is 100

[summer flower]

Spoiled

[simple spoke]

I see

[hasty stirrup]

depend. Some unit generate ult by their own mecanics like Last Rite or Lvaetein

[gritty olive]

oh yeah

then uh

[hasty stirrup]

And ult cost varies

[dry mason]

2 heat stacks

[gritty olive]

then it gains 8.57 sp

[dry kindle]

at least part of ult gen is consistent

[dry mason]

i think i can trim this one

[dry kindle]

0 fucking idea about combo energy gen

[dry kindle]

mf you ded

[dry mason]

buff still lots of time

[dry mason]

i now, if i didnt die mb i can

[neon geode]

yes, that is true, but are those 2 heat stacks more beneficial than akekuri or antal ?

thats why I am asking for math

[drifting quest]

🔥 ✅
🐺 🔥 🔥 🔼
🐶 🔥 🔽
🦎 🔥 🔽

I got it

[dry mason]

you can use Ake with Wolf

[gritty olive]

83 for bar, 6 for dodge
sp = 100*6/83 = 7.22

[dry kindle]

😭

[dry mason]

Lae need to reach 4 stacks asap

[neon geode]

actually funny

[gritty olive]

im just gonna believe the 7.5sp since cn said so

[dry mason]

Wolf just give 2 stacks free per 20secs

[gritty olive]

[neon geode]

but then u drop antals buffs

[dry mason]

Antal will eat heat stack

Buff doesn't matter if your Lae can't reach 4

[hasty stirrup]

buff don't matters you can't hit hard in the first place 😅

[simple spoke]

you also waste more time building sp trying to get heat stacks without wulf

[gritty olive]

is there any value for sp gain from N5s

[feral willow]

i prefer wulf+ake for lae, faster 4 stack, faster ult

[dry mason]

Lae team currently lacking too much SP regen

[drifting quest]

Antal buffs require gameplay caveats so are an option. They are to a degree saturated via ardelias. Antal wulf is highest dpr without getting into gilb comps

Wulf ake is comfort

Ake antal is not good but some people do it

[dry mason]

Ake combo skill condition is too hard

[neon geode]

again, thats why i want to see an actual breakdown

[gritty olive]

breakdown of what

[dry kindle]

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

um

[gritty olive]

if not im just gonna do 30 standardized

[dry kindle]

i hate myself give me a minute

or 10

[gritty olive]

go on

[dry kindle]

also 30 is lr specific

[gritty olive]

10???

[drifting quest]

Natural sp gen accounted for

In vs out of combat

[neon geode]

here is the thing, you are looking at damage per rotation, not actual dps values

[drifting quest]

Dps is useless bro

[neon geode]

dpr is also useless bro if you wanna go that route

[drifting quest]

Theres too much downtime and setups

[neon geode]

because every fight has its own route

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

If you want dps it'll be tiny ass numbers for every comp

You wont be able to compare them

[neon geode]

what

[dry mason]

also why they dont give us timer in battle

so annoying

[drifting quest]

Marble fights are up to 4 minutes

[drifting quest]

The dps is nothingburger numbers

[simple spoke]

maybe we'll have timers when they make true endgame

[dry mason]

wait

now I realized I can press Ake Bskill instead of Wolf

[drifting quest]

[dry kindle]

welp

[neon geode]

guess nobody is actually basing comps by their numbers but just by feel and linnull doesnt share his stuff apparently

[drifting quest]

?

are you not watching the sheet being made in real time here too

[gritty olive]

linnull?

[drifting quest]

go look at laev trims

count the number of wulfgards

please

[neon geode]

[dry mason]

also Wolf ult is very useful when you need last stack for Lae

By pressing ult to trigger Lae's combo

He's not that great, but he's the best for her atm

[mystic halo]

no

[drifting quest]

wulfgard facilitates 4 melting flame with 1 sp

[mystic halo]

he's pretty good

[gritty olive]

btw when should i end the simulation

[drifting quest]

included in the ardelia sim

[gritty olive]

after laeva exhausts her ult?

[drifting quest]

3-4 rots is maybe overkill for sheeting numbers

2-3maybe

[neon geode]

damn, look how op Cronwslayer is because she did max risk

[dry mason]

I mean people expect him to do DMG, but they forget he's good at heat applying

Or idk

My Wolf just use leftover

[drifting quest]

i sure do love comparing a game of a completely different genre to strawman a point

[mystic halo]

I mean he doesnt need any gear other than ult charge

and he doesnt need any weapon

[dry mason]

yeah

[mystic halo]

other teams beg for a support this good

[dry mason]

cheap and good

[neon geode]

the point is, you dont need the perfect mathematical comp to trim a medal here either

[dry kindle]

endmin 20sp
wulfgard 18
arclight 17
perlica 15
chen 18
ember 28
xaihi 15
antal 15
avyw 19
gilb 16
lifeng 21
snowshine 25
laev basic 20
laev ult 22
yvonne 17
ardel 18
pogra 20
dapan 21
akekuri 19
last rite 30
catcher 25
estella 19
fluorite 15
alesh 19

[gritty olive]

thing is due to how i tried weaving the N5 strings its becoming very long

[drifting quest]

who said anything about perfect mathematical

you're the one who wants numbers

[gritty olive]

fucking legend

ill put all at 20 first

[neon geode]

yes, i want numbers to see how good wulf actually is. Because I don't believe he is good from the research i did

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=1801027854#gid=1801027854

its becomign exponentially longer

[summer flower]

What's Basic attack speed?

[simple spoke]

well we gonna see when they pump out endgame if mdps wulfy can do it, any more than 1 enemy and hes fucked

does dps wulf still use hot work or do I put him on bonekrusha

[summer flower]

For endmin?

[gritty olive]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

i just refer to this, and divide by the number of times of their full atk string

[mystic halo]

can you trim any medal

with main dps wulfgard

do that first

[drifting quest]

wulfgard is
a) more comfort on sp
b) more enhanced skills
c) easier to build
d) scales better if you do decide to invest into him due to personal damage
e) does not lose value in aoe

[mystic halo]

before thinking about any other endgame

[summer flower]

I can't read chinese

[drifting quest]

it can do rhodan

[dry kindle]

have fun

[mystic halo]

wow it can?

Im impressed

[drifting quest]

but who cant do rhodan

lmao

[zinc chasm]

what do you all think about this

[kindred sorrel]

whats the rotation for antal/wulf/ardelia in laeva comp

[gritty olive]

@summer flower

HOLY SHT

[simple spoke]

lowkey it feels fine but to be fair my frame of reference is shatter Yvonne so

playing the game on shit mode

[gritty olive]

IT HAS NUMBERS FOR EACH

STRING

[drifting quest]

i think the only thing we're waiting on for rhodan trims is like catcher

[gritty olive]

im fuckign exploding

[drifting quest]

we're getting more trims for other bosses too now

[gritty olive]

but like surtr doesnt

[summer flower]

Like 3k dps for character or for or for team?

[gritty olive]

are you referring to the one screenshot i sent

[summer flower]

Cause if its for team change your team

[gritty olive]

its just surtrs raw N5 damage currently

its still pretty incomplete

[simple spoke]

might worry about trims once I get wulfy to p5

but lowkey pretty sure he runs out of sp before he can make use of the combo reset lmao

also where's my damn clannibal

[gritty olive]

im trying to standardize how i approach calculating here since i can use specialized formulae to streamline calculations when considering conditionals

[dry mason]

OMG

Are you kidding me

[outer ermine]

trim?

[dry mason]

no

[gritty olive]

why do you have powder over buck a

[dry mason]

Missed it

[dry mason]

I didnt care about healing items

I just dodge most of time

[summer flower]

Did you full send combo and it wasnt enough?

[dry mason]

Too lazy to craft them

[outer ermine]

[dry mason]

I missed press

[dry kindle]

get marbled

[drifting quest]

make non healing tacticals

[dry mason]

I missed calculate the heat stack

[summer flower]

Wrong button or to late?

[dry kindle]

mfw they need rares as well

[dry mason]

Im having 3 stacks on Lae

[drifting quest]

express ticket to australia booked by the boss

[dry mason]

And pressed Ake with last SP bar

But I forgot Lae apply 1 by herself

[summer flower]

There is cleanse tactical

[mystic halo]

big fan of when dorito flies to angola suddenly

[dry mason]

Lead to I didnt have SP to unleash last strike

[drifting quest]

thats not what i was referring to

there's a tactical that gives energy

[summer flower]

Oof

[gritty olive]

oh cool

[dry kindle]

wonder if that also gets buffed by ult gen% ngl

[drifting quest]

it specifies it gives an amount so id assume no

[dry mason]

But at least now I have my rotation

Prob trimm

Gonna try again

[summer flower]

Trimm?

[dry kindle]

but it works on operator skill values so

mayhaps

[summer flower]

What's trimm

[dry kindle]

240s kill

[summer flower]

What's etymology of that?

[drifting quest]

oh

trimmed medal > trimm

[summer flower]

Ohh

[drifting quest]

1.1 and 1.2 are 3 units each

[summer flower]

From medal name?

[drifting quest]

trimmed medals are the official terminology for the upgraded medal type

[simple spoke]

I might be gated on trimming from sheer skill issue

im so ass at this game

cant dodge for shit

[summer flower]

Full range team ?

Wait

No

You ranged when at least 2 melee

Then a lot of dogde pressure will be out

[simple spoke]

hmm

no saving yvonne's "pls come here and kill me" ult I fear

speaking of which I can only get gil or yvonne weapon who do I make make do with the bp weapon

[dawn patrol]

real

running a super dodgy phys team but i suspect i also have a skill issue

dodgy as in poorly built

[grave flame]

Is Obj Velocitous Weapon BiS for Wulf in a Laev team?

[dry kindle]

no

[mystic halo]

it's not bad

for sure

[grave flame]

why not?

[mystic halo]

you will get to activate clannibal effect once every year maybe

and obj has ult charge

if rossi can give team 1 million sp then maybe yeah

clannibal is good

[dry kindle]

[grave flame]

Yep so isn’t that the reason why Obj is BiS?

[dry kindle]

i mean its 5% ult gain

unless youre schizo enough to raise it

[gritty olive]

is it really that atrocious to wait for energy for akekuri

[mystic halo]

it's liek 15% charge rate

with 2 pips

on essence

it's kinda worth it

[grave flame]

you also stack it with gear ult gain

[brave arrow]

jeez how you get that mcuh?

[mystic halo]

gear

[drifting quest]

praying for sp whenever any team member applies heat infliction or combustion

[dry kindle]

bleh

[brave arrow]

fully artifice?

[mystic halo]

no

well

[grave flame]

Is Clannibal better at P5 wulf, or is there no real difference?

[mystic halo]

with full artifice you can get even higher yes

I mean if youre never activating clannibal effect

what difference doe sthe dupe make

you rarely get to use it

[grave flame]

i mean wulf p5

[mystic halo]

oh then take obj 100% for now

unless if you have a speedrun timeline

with wulf antal ake

[grave flame]

so why obj not bis then xD

[drifting quest]

because ult spam is a relatively new idea in mainstream game stuff

wasnt really a think in cbt

[mystic halo]

I dont know why you are so fixated on putting this label on it

if it is good

use it

that's it

[drifting quest]

we also dont know if he overcaps yet

but the weapon requires 0 investment

[dry mason]

I am 5 seconds late

[drifting quest]

?

0 levels

[dry mason]

Fuck

5 seconds late to Trim

[drifting quest]

you can literally just put the weapon on him and forget about it

[gritty olive]

the energy from tide armor might be relevant

[grave flame]

I don’t want to level it up and then bench it forever

[drifting quest]

it is

already known

[mystic halo]

we've known since like

[drifting quest]

tide chest drops you to 2rot 1ult

[mystic halo]

day 1 of last cbt

about this

lmao

not to mention that lynx literally gives you less stats

[gritty olive]

at least from yet another perspective

hey at least im on the right trend

[grave flame]

more damage tho

[gritty olive]

its still early game so you can do whatever in the earlygame

[mystic halo]

no

[grave flame]

for laev i mean

[mystic halo]

lol

nope

[gritty olive]

[frozen tide]

Has anyone actually done testing on last xiranite set bonus

[dry mason]

also idk if you guys alr know or not

[mystic halo]

the scaling is unfavourable

[dry mason]

Lae can cancel QTE animation by using ult

[frozen tide]

Half the people i ask says it stacks when used on multiple operators

[gritty olive]

ive decided that im just gonna do one ULT on laev

[mystic halo]

even maxed out max dupe all lv99 speedrunner didnt bother with it

[frozen tide]

The other half says it doesn't

[mystic halo]

if you use it on multiple it's for uptime

[gritty olive]

currently idk if other units are able to get their ult before surtr gets hers

[fading fog]

Am I supposed to Ardelia skill in a Laev team?

[grave flame]

Maybe in an Antal team or a speedrun team, but if you’re using Akekuri with Ardelia, it should be the bis off-set assuming you’ve maxed Int everywhere

[fading fog]

[dry mason]

only when after her QTE

and you see her battle skill flashing

[fallow cargo]

idk where else to ask this question, i'm running Last Rite, Xaihi, Ardelia, Perlica, if Ardelia runs Eternal Xiranite, what should Xaihi run since it doesn't stack?

[mystic halo]

this is literally just incorrect

btw

idk what to tell you

it is better at no stage ever

[hard crag]

Put xira on xai and healer set on ard

[grave flame]

is there calcs of it?

[fallow cargo]

alright thank you

[mystic halo]

it is not good in any situation

there are calcs of it literally earlier today in this channel

[dry kindle]

it gives 100 more atk at absolute max!!!!

[mystic halo]

it offers no meaningful gain ever

you can get more atk and then lose elem%

[dry kindle]

170 with ginseng!!!

[mystic halo]

and have it be overall worse

awesome!

[dry kindle]

totally worth whatever the fuck happens to your statline

[mystic halo]

completely pointless at all stages of the game

[dry kindle]

and the uh

[mystic halo]

and you also cant get two cycle ult

[dry kindle]

i forgot how many components

[mystic halo]

it loses to tide set

while tide set is missing secondary stat artifices

and lynx has all

[grave flame]

where

[mystic halo]

worst dogshit ever imaginable no idea why anyone ever pushed it

search image from sworce

[grave flame]

image probably miss a lot of context

[mystic halo]

?

[grave flame]

but i'll try

[mystic halo]

it's literally

the graph

and then you lose elem% bonus with lynx

[grave flame]

well there's a lot of context, like team, enemy, starting ult energy, rotation and etc

[mystic halo]

and it's not actually worth overall

oh my god

[dry kindle]

atk is atk

😭

[mystic halo]

it is worse in all situations what don't you get about this?

[dry kindle]

everything else is equal therefore its 1 therefore i kill you

[mystic halo]

it has less damage

it has worse cycling

[grave flame]

well i just want to see that situations calcs to understand it better

[mystic halo]

if you use a suboptimal shitty food

it might be worth it I guess

[gritty olive]

btw for wp artificing, the yellow one is twilight

[mystic halo]

well they're right there!

[grave flame]

i dont belive there's such calcs tho

[dry kindle]

i could math the damage% and yada yada but id have to find it all

[gritty olive]

so i can properly "sift" through these faster?

[dry kindle]

arent they random gen

idk

[mystic halo]

the symbols are the same

[grave flame]

But you’re so sure maybe there are calculations like that somewhere

[gritty olive]

i mean yellow = twlighit no?

[mystic halo]

why are you farming with no voucher

[frozen tide]

Opal can i ask you a question

[gritty olive]

because i dont have any at hand currently

[mystic halo]

are you just getting fodder

[gritty olive]

waht should i farm

[mystic halo]

if youre not just getting fodder

never farm without voucher

worst use of everything imaginable

[gritty olive]

whats the rate for it

[mystic halo]

with voucher it's 1/24 to get what you want

without it's like

1/4096

maybe

something like that

[gritty olive]

[mystic halo]

it goes from quite reasonable to basically astronomical

[gritty olive]

ok

thanks for the headsup

[frozen tide]

First bunch of vouchers are decently cheap

Get some of those with bills

[gentle quiver]

what arts intensity does for physical character guys?

[mystic halo]

and sometimes you can roll for 3/3 for multiple weapon at once

[gritty olive]

higher level = more stuff right?

[mystic halo]

open stat page, click question mark next to the stat

and read it

if you are getting 3 gold/80 san

it's fine

idr the dev level

[frozen tide]

In the game click attributes and hover over the question mark next to arts intensity

[mystic halo]

at which it goes up to 3 gold

[frozen tide]

Could you send the full doc plz

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.6ugp2bwnvloa

[frozen tide]

Would love to look through it

[grave flame]

It seems like there’s no accounting for rotation or Ultimate Efficiency

[mystic halo]

lynx has worse rotation

and no ult charge

cant get ult in 2 cycle

is this not obvious?

[frozen tide]

Opal can i ask you a question

[gritty olive]

whats this

[drifting quest]

i forgot to turn my component farm off and it bricked my entire wuling

[gritty olive]

surtr?

[mystic halo]

it has worse damage at all stages

it has worse rotation

why would you ever use it?

[grave flame]

no, why?

[gritty olive]

4 skills + enhanced skill for surtr is already 148

ill remove the chest for something else

[grave flame]

The idea is that you don’t need it, since you’re running Akekuri. In that case, there’s no need to focus on ult charge

[frozen tide]

What does lynx set offer

[dry kindle]

wut

[mystic halo]

??

[gritty olive]

132.500 energy compared to 148

[mystic halo]

I dont think you understand the game's basic mechanics

[rugged kiln]

Wait what lol

[drifting quest]

lynx set used to have cope that it scaled into higher damage with artificing but apparently it doesnt even have that now we did the math

[mystic halo]

akekuri cannot magically give lae 24 charge

[frozen tide]

Isn't lynx set the healing set

[grave flame]

like you do 2 e skill 3 combo with slab and 2e skill 2 combo with tidefall armor

[mystic halo]

ok so you dont know the numbers on this either

[drifting quest]

lynx slab gives main stat % which is super rare

[mystic halo]

lae with two rotations

has 276/300 energy with no ult charge

you are missing 24

[dry kindle]

if someone could use lynx slab without nuking half their base stats sure

[mystic halo]

which is FOUR TEAM SKILLS

[dry kindle]

but laev cant

[languid kelp]

Is there a place to see energy gain?

[grave flame]

289

[mystic halo]

no?

[dry kindle]

no

[mystic halo]

youve added 13 here

out of nowhere

eskill does not give you 106.5

even if all you had to do was an extra combo

you are still slowing everything down for no reason

[gritty olive]

seems onpoint. 132.5 - 26 = 106.5

[frozen tide]

Im running last rite ardelia xaihi perlica, im running tide for rite xiranite for xai and pulsar for perlica but im unsure of what to run on ardelia

What set should i go for if any

[gritty olive]

unless the enhanced skill is like, instead of 6.5, you gain 100 instead of an extra 100 gain

[mystic halo]

you gain static 100

100+25+13

[dry kindle]

substat max for xaihi xirantie on ardelia

[gritty olive]

so youre not getting a 100, on top of a 6.5

[mystic halo]

no

[gritty olive]

sucks

[mystic halo]

even if you did

even if 289 was correct

how would you fill that in?

can akekuri generate 2 bars?

[frozen tide]

Why is that optimal doesn't ardelia do way more dmg in rotations than xai? And xai has higher arts amp uptime

[gritty olive]

@mystic halo whats the order of you getting energy from 0 then

[mystic halo]

and if you have to do another combo for lae

you are losing both time

and resources elsewhere

[dry kindle]

neither of them are doing any damage here

and you need to substat max for xaihi ult

[mystic halo]

simple, you just take tide chest

get 12% charge

and now one cycle gives more than 150

[frozen tide]

What substat do you max

[gritty olive]

no no no, like the rotation

[mystic halo]

and you have ult in 2

[gritty olive]

the sim is giving me 148

[dry kindle]

theres only 1 substat

[gritty olive]

3 skills + 1 enhanced skill, 1 combo ish?

[mystic halo]

what

ok you do like

antal wulf skills + combos

3 stacks

13 sp

[grave flame]

Sure, but with more damage that’s why I asked about the “sim” calculations, with a specific team, enemy, rotation, etc. I also suggested that there’s probably no such public calculations available at the moment

[mystic halo]

but lynx doesnt give you more damage either

[gritty olive]

theres none but im working on one rn

[frozen tide]

I am confused now isn't substat just the stats that come from gear without set effect

[mystic halo]

you are slowing down your rotation AND decreasing your damage of the individual hits

[rose shuttle]

Do you guys know if the Breach status debuff increases with the vulerable stacks it consumes?

[dry kindle]

oh sub attribute fml

[dry kindle]

yes

[mystic halo]

ard combo > lae combo, hit 4 stacks

for 25 and 100

[frozen tide]

I thought secondary attribute is just 0.2 percent atk bonus per thingy does it do smth else?

[gritty olive]

300/1.123 = 267 enenrgy

[dry kindle]

12/16/20/24% damage taken

[gritty olive]

so i just need like 67 raw energy external

[dry kindle]

xaihi ult scales on it

[frozen tide]

I did not know that

[gritty olive]

2 combos + 8 skills should be doable no

[frozen tide]

[rugged kiln]

So you’re saying I should m3 her ult

[dry kindle]

no

💀

6 crowns

[mystic halo]

if you want to make youtube video

maybe

🙂

[dry kindle]

first 15s rhodgan kill on global

[grave flame]

Uh, no? With LYNX, don’t you get more attribute ATK%, combo skill DMG%, and basic atk DMG%? With Tide, you only get more ult charge and battle skill DMG%

[gritty olive]

am i missing something here, or should surtr be able to squeeze in an extra combo before she does a second batch of these rotations

[dry kindle]

no

[mystic halo]

it seems that you dont even know what gear sets we are actually talking about

[mystic halo]

eskill is 100, 25 from combo, 13 from teammate skills

138*1.12

[gritty olive]

combo gives 25?

[mystic halo]

oh my god

[gritty olive]

where do i stem my energy on

[dry mason]

[gritty olive]

any wiki doesnt list this

oh that

[mystic halo]

it's right there!

[grave flame]

Well, it seems like you’re not trying to help me understand or correct me, but just being toxic instead

[gritty olive]

i didnt factor that in

[frozen tide]

Is pulsar on perlica and tide on rite good?

[gritty olive]

ah its ok now

[dry kindle]

tide fine perlica is whatever shes just electify and stanza bot

[flint nimbus]

Anyone know what the depot/PAC output rate is? Is it 1/sec? Does it change based on material?

[dry kindle]

same as belt

[mystic halo]

you lack the basic knowledge required to engage in this discussion

[dry kindle]

0.5/s

[frozen tide]

I was thinking about running frontiers for more forced electro

[dry kindle]

no point

[frozen tide]

But im not sure if that or arts amp is more worth

[dry kindle]

you line it up with combo

[rugged kiln]

What’s the hardest trim currently?

[mystic halo]

depends on what you are playing

[rugged kiln]

For laeva?

[drifting quest]

probably dorito for most people

[mystic halo]

uh

well

none of them are hard

for her

[flint nimbus]

Really ? What about the refining unity processing time? I thought it was 1/s. So PAC should atleast be 1/s

[mystic halo]

I guess marble?

[dry kindle]

shatter has all trims now so 💀

[drifting quest]

[mystic halo]

yeah but that guy is like

how to put it

[dry kindle]

only hard trims are yvonne now

[rugged kiln]

Whale shatter you mean

[mystic halo]

other teams can do it at 30 lvls lower

[dry kindle]

endmin shatter

[mystic halo]

with fk all weapons

[drifting quest]

what do you mean the team cant do it without alesh perfect rng

[mystic halo]

and then the video goes like

[dry kindle]

doable tho

[mystic halo]

guys this team is so optimal!

that channel genuinely

is so misleading

I almost have a mind to ban their videos from the section

[gritty olive]

who?

[mystic halo]

factory channel is one channel down

[rugged kiln]

Which channel?

[drifting quest]

blanket ban videos tbh

i mald every time i see a video posted

[mystic halo]

there's so many awful infographics and videos

posted in past week

[dry kindle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1hB6EB6Eoc/

[drifting quest]

BEST TEAMS TO PLAY IN ARKNIGHTS ENDFIELD

NUMBER ONE
EMMMMMMMBER

EMBER IS A STRONG CHARACTER WHO CAN TANK MANY HITS

[rugged kiln]

You have to hang out here to find out the real truth

[mystic halo]

dude ok

the author of the sheet pinned in team build and help

finally added ember

[simple spoke]

I want to punch whoever designed alesh's kit

[mystic halo]

SOMEWHERE today