#theorycrafting

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drifting quest
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all reactions

bronze plume
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reactions can live with inflictions on a enemy

gritty olive
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So i add another colimn

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Ok

drifting quest
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the corrosion is gone by the time ake skills anyway

mystic halo
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ok if I finished the artifice it would go over 5000 and I like that

bronze plume
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tide fall light armor is a T0 unit fr

drifting quest
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or well no you just

grand mica
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Estella applies cryo right?

gritty olive
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can reactions stack

drifting quest
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ard combo again

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you can have any number of reactions active at once

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but they have 1 stack max

gritty olive
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Oh i think that the current def mult is 0.5

drifting quest
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so 2 sources of corrosion just resets corrosion cd

cold turret
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How decent is wedge of a 6 star for wulfgard?

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I figured fairly decent since he can use its passive

drifting quest
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good cope

gritty olive
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Oh whats its duration?

drifting quest
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like ~20s

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but thats for

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hard caused ones

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ardelia's is specifically temporary corrosion

mystic halo
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eyja one lasts for 7s

drifting quest
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because it has to be more confusing to tc

bronze plume
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p5 makes it last for 4 extra seconds

drifting quest
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๐Ÿณ

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you basically just have corrosion for ebs

gritty olive
drifting quest
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or a basic seq too in ult

gritty olive
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So for here i should just make another column for reactions

drifting quest
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yeah

gritty olive
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Surely most teams are just

drifting quest
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most teams can dip into 2

gritty olive
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Two elements max xdd

drifting quest
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because of ardelia

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cryo has 3

bronze plume
drifting quest
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for yvonne at least

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idr if lr has solidification

gritty olive
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Ill just make a column for each reaction

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And chuck it away at the back later

drifting quest
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up to 3

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i should say

cold turret
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Can physical even run two elements?

drifting quest
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perlica ardelia yvonne

cold turret
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Cause corrosion doesnt work for physical

drifting quest
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you can force ardelia but its not optimal

cold turret
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i think they are a mono only team

drifting quest
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she's there for vuln and stanza

gritty olive
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Also should i just do elite + enemy? I was planning boss + elite like hsr but eh

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Idk how to handle aoe scenarios

grand mica
drifting quest
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i checked yeah

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2max for most reasonable teams

cold turret
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For this alluvium?, Are the essances worth it or is there another tier of essances i can pick up

drifting quest
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thats your sanity sink

cold turret
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i cannot remember if theres orange/6 star essances or not

drifting quest
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just only do it with the permits

cold turret
mystic halo
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we should just lie and tell people there are red essences when there arent

cold turret
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i see the 50th sanity sink is back

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:^)

drifting quest
bronze plume
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im only missing 1 essence for my laev team

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surely i get it this run

drifting quest
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best ive hit is a 3 int 1 twilight base

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stay coping for 3/3 usable

bronze plume
cold turret
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Im not even gonna bother for essances until vie actually maxed out my lae team

drifting quest
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i dont see much point in sinking sanity for supports right now

gritty olive
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Ill assume this is the current damage formula

bronze plume
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what else am i going to use the sanity on

drifting quest
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vertical it

bronze plume
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ardelia is lvl 90 weapon lvl 85
laevatain is lvl 85 weapon lvl 85

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im chilling

cold turret
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What should i put as the settings for pulling a lae essance

gritty olive
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Def mult = 0.5
Res mult = (100%-resignore%+ res%)

drifting quest
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where's the m12 90/90

cold turret
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Int, Heat damage boost and?

bronze plume
plucky pagoda
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is gilberta better than antal for electric teams? she can trigger electrification way more often so more sp

cold turret
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Oh i cant even put more

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guh

mystic halo
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set int/agi/main and twilight

dry kindle
gritty olive
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How much does main and sub attribute buff atk

drifting quest
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gilb bricks your electric infliction

dry kindle
# gritty olive How much does main and sub attribute buff atk
plucky pagoda
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whats it do

mystic halo
bronze plume
plucky pagoda
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i

cold turret
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For pulling lae specifically, Is this the best essance setup or does she want another secondary/skill boost

plucky pagoda
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omg sorry

plucky pagoda
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omg

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im so sorry

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my cat pressed my keyboard

dry kindle
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Fuck sake EurekaConvultion

plucky pagoda
bronze plume
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and i got wulfgards 3/3 essence for clannibal

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and with that

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im done farming essence for the laev team

dry kindle
plucky pagoda
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  • Team (Must have this order): Perlica, Gilberta, Arclight, Avywenna

  • perlica will always be on field

  • No Ults Available: Perlica skill, Final attack, Perlica combo, Gilberta combo, Arclight combo, Avywenna combo, wait 5 seconds, Gilberta skill, Arclight combo, if Arclight combo didn't trigger, wait 4 seconds, use Arclight skill, Arclight combo, Perlica skill, Final Attack, Perlica Combo + Gilberta combo + Avywenna Combo + Avywenna skill

  • With Ults: ( ONLY USE ULTS DURING STAGGER FOR MAX OUTPUT )
    Before stagger: make sure you've cast ONE Avywenna combo within the last 12-14 seconds.
    During Stagger: Perlica skill, Perlica final attack, Perlica combo, Gilberta Combo, Arclight Combo, immediately ult with Gilberta, Arclight Ult, Perlica Ult, Avywenna Ult, Avywenna skill
    Stagger will be finished once done. Return to no ult rotation till stagger appears again.

i tried to make a rotation that keeps the electric infliction while doing as many arclight combo skills as possible that allows arclight to max her damage and avywennas damage

drifting quest
# plucky pagoda do you need electric infliction for electric teams?

arclight ult checks for it, so if you have active nature then the electric applied isnt used by ult part 2

avywenna checks for electric infliction or electrification on combo so if you corrode instead of electrify then it bricks that

something like perlica combo loses value if you already have electrification, same for other sources

ignoring the idea of other units doing more for the same slot if all you ever do is ult on gilb

plucky pagoda
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also maxes perlicas dmg cuz u can use an extra combo

plucky pagoda
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which gilberta applies

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also

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electrification is only active for 5 seconds

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i think?

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which is why im trying to keep it as active as possible

drifting quest
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depends on the source

plucky pagoda
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is there a way to check?

drifting quest
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if it lasts for a unique amount of time it tells you

mystic halo
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gilb electric team can use the same timeline for both st and AoE

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though it actually requires hands

drifting quest
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ardelia and perlica combos both specify

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e.g. 7s and 5s respectively

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i havent confirmed exactly how long default sources last but someone else told me its like 20s

plucky pagoda
plucky pagoda
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ic

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but

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arclight consumes the electrification

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so perlica can continue to apply more

dry kindle
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Why is this site such a pain in the ass EurekaConvultion

plucky pagoda
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ill just test my theory team once i get

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gilberta

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but have to wait for banner

mystic halo
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I mean we already have a timeline

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for this team

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it just requires some degree of actual mechanics

dry kindle
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Just offbanner

near ether
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why do i've a person stating perly is better than wulfgard on lae team

bronze plume
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how many successful artificing do yall think ill get on laev with 26 tries

drifting quest
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0

mystic halo
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you will hit like 3 in a row for cheap

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and then go to 20 pity on the one after that

drifting quest
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honestly better outcome

bronze plume
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i

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dont have any wuling stock bills

bronze plume
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to get the gear to artifice

drifting quest
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be richer

dry kindle
near ether
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i need to look into artifice

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it's after i achieve lv 70 equipment correct

dry kindle
bronze plume
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that is infact 1 of the 2 things you make in wuling to get stock bills

dry kindle
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Its that simple

novel solar
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hello theory crafters, do we have best teams comps figured out? every guides and tierlist says something different and idk anymore. i use physical team endmund,pog,lifeng,chen but there are still things im not sure about

indigo steeple
drifting quest
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hype for 1.1 for new chars? โŒ
hype for 1.1 for wuling factory to unbrick? โœ…

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components

bronze plume
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lets be honest

dry kindle
bronze plume
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wuling factory will be bricked until we get all areas of wuling

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thats just how itll go

drifting quest
dry kindle
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Trim marble

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Kill me

dry kindle
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Pogra lifeng

novel solar
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got both of them, pog is even t1

drifting quest
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pog lifeng chen dapan

dry kindle
novel solar
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pog, lifeng and chen sounds awsome, but i dont really like that dapan and edmund are both want to consume vuln

drifting quest
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endmin is a benchwarmer

fading fog
dry kindle
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I mean you can make it work

mystic halo
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endmin is only slotted in when you already have way more damage than you need and want to speedrun something with perfect knowledge of the timeline

dry kindle
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But you can just faceroll normal phys instead

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So

novel solar
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and im never sure if i want to consume as pog or edmund, pog recovers and edmund refund SP and recover is better from what i know since refunded SP doesnt contribute ultimate gain

mystic halo
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who tf is edmund

novel solar
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endmin

indigo steeple
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if im trying to play yvonne gilb when gilb banner comes, should i build flourite as second max for now? or what do you recommend

novel solar
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never actives?

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u mean u never use his battle skill?

bronze plume
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yippie

dry kindle
novel solar
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idk if its better to consume vuln with breach for dmg buff or just use crush for dmg burst

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in lets say boss scenarios

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becouse on trash mobs i usually just crush

dry kindle
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Can someone do my chests for me ๐Ÿ—ฟ

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I need the op xp

bronze plume
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play the game yoself

novel solar
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and the worst part is that i cant change to dapan atm for more vuln, becouse i pretty much invested everything into edmund xd

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i can only hope for tangtang release now so i can switch her

dry kindle
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Ew swordmancer

leaden pond
novel solar
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i went swordmancer for 3 units and other one for pog. jsut for more stagger, gold gear is not really expensive so it doesnt matter for now i guess ๐Ÿ˜„ @dry kindle

fading fog
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I mean you can compare investment, could be a difference on that front

leaden pond
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I heavily invest in lifeng and pog but you go for chen and dapan

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And that seems to be better choice lmaoo

fading fog
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well Pan deals crush, and Chen... I just like Chen the most

novel solar
leaden pond
fading fog
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I try to get buffs set up then unload crush and chen ult asap

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also ideally give chen ult link

novel solar
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was thinking about breach if i got all ults up, and just crush if not

fading fog
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I alternate Pog and Pan

vernal mortar
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less def is inversely proportional to dmg

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i do same thing with crush rn

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4 stacks vul, then shatter and crush in same hit*

steep fable
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hey, not sure if this question has been asked before, but are you supposed to go bonekrusha poncho or aethertech plating on last rite

novel solar
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u think we will be ok without support in the team in later endgame? or we will need to swap 1 unit for some kind of healer

shut cobalt
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is this really true?

mystic halo
fading fog
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taking damage is skill issue PerliFumo

vernal mortar
mystic halo
shut cobalt
mystic halo
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no comment

shut cobalt
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anyways, thanks

novel solar
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is there even any good site with guides? i saw stupid shit in icyveins and mobalitics too (maybe it wasnt stupid and im just stupid not understanding their choice)

vernal mortar
undone mason
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how long do arts/vulnerable stacks last

mystic halo
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damn icyveins is on this game?

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what da helllll

novel solar
vernal mortar
undone mason
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wait really?

vernal mortar
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its so long that i dont notice the duration

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someone do a timer if they can be asked

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its like long enough for u to afk

mystic halo
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the timer exists but is quite long

shut cobalt
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wait, one more thing, whats the best leavatain gear atm then?
if u cant rely on prydwen for a single game and its the only guide up rn

unborn oxide
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How do you stack vulnerability

mystic halo
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there are legitimately situations where they can expire, though

vernal mortar
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hit a physical status ability

dry kindle
undone mason
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nope there's a timer

vernal mortar
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crush and breach too but only on first hit*

unborn oxide
dry kindle
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Crush and breach wording are weird

vernal mortar
dry kindle
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But I'm too lazy to test

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So

undone mason
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huh wait

steep fable
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are there more reputable sources for which armor sets go on what characters?

vernal mortar
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only crush and breach consume vul

shut cobalt
undone mason
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doesn't that mean you should open fights with endmin skill instead of ch'en skill

novel solar
vernal mortar
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its how i get 4 stack vul easy

dry kindle
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Or prydwen

mystic halo
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charge takes 4 pieces of ult efficiency and artifices them to get energy for ult in 1 standard rotation

vernal mortar
mystic halo
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fire is tide chest 3x hotwork

undone mason
vernal mortar
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4 stack vul is ideal to do on single target fights

undone mason
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yeah

dry kindle
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Better aoe than rite EurekaConvultion

vernal mortar
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on crowd fights, u just have to hit what u can and dont try to stack 4 vul on every single enemy

shut cobalt
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is this the best one between the 2 u said for general use? @mystic halo

mystic halo
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the evil outwards expanding fan with deadzones

undone mason
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yeah

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huh.

novel solar
vernal mortar
undone mason
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is the answer to ardelia vs ember just single target vs aoe

vernal mortar
undone mason
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for physical

vernal mortar
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the guy asked about endmin, not lifeng

mystic halo
dry kindle
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The answer is not ember

mystic halo
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fire set you generally use with a timeline already in mind and enter the instance of whatever you are doing with ults charged

vernal mortar
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lifeng the goat, phys susc on skill

shut cobalt
dry kindle
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Resting at tp not charging ult is so aids

novel solar
mystic halo
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2x charge rate seal, xiranite gloves, tide chest

novel solar
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but guides says sunshine sicks xd

shut cobalt
dry kindle
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The fuck you need hyper armor for

vernal mortar
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the former is better, ardelia

novel solar
undone mason
unborn oxide
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Should i replace ardelia with last rite for more dmg

dry kindle
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And brick your xaihi

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Outstanding

shut cobalt
# dry kindle

wait, why dont i see that green thingy in my gear crafting?

undone mason
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who the hell came up with ember's design, nasus has more to his kit

novel solar
vernal mortar
mystic halo
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ok so you see
last rite has high str, meaning that she has a lot of hp, and a lot of will which increases her healing received. this increases your room for error ๐Ÿฅฐ

dry kindle
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The fuckin 66% cryo buff

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And stack

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But mainly 66% cryo

mystic halo
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ok so fire set is not necessarily better even with bosses

novel solar
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all rng went to physical team

mystic halo
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because of the evil and fked up phase transitions

dry kindle
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Truly outstanding

vernal mortar
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last rite is all about getting max stacks of cryo inflicton before her combo skill

mystic halo
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you might have more damage during your ult

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but if the boss just fucks off or goes invuln for more than half of it

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well that's a problem isnt it

dusky patio
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any etch guides out there

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if anyone knows

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dont rly wanna spend my own essences to figure it out

mystic halo
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gamba

shut cobalt
mystic halo
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the breakpoint is 207.7

shut cobalt
dry kindle
mystic halo
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I still cant get over it

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dorito baits you with being hittable for half a second

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and then goes invuln

dusky patio
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what char is that gear / breakpoint for

mystic halo
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this was the case in cbt1 and they just never changed it it's so unserious

vocal barn
vernal mortar
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my g

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wherever u find well-made gameplay and a tc channel

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you shall find me

dry kindle
vocal barn
novel solar
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btw guys when i try to claim sanity for essences i get info that i dont have some kind of permits

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what do

mystic halo
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buy voucher with bill

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dont do essence without voucher

vernal mortar
novel solar
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its so expensive

mystic halo
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yea

vernal mortar
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add me asap, i wanna assist ur ship and sell my elastic goods at your ship at 12,000% ROI phoebe_XD @vocal barn

mystic halo
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just produce more

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๐Ÿซƒ

shut cobalt
vocal barn
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Ahw shit wait naw im playin on asia to play with my friends Sobbing

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Do you have an asia alt LOL

novel solar
# mystic halo yea

preengrave stats mean i can choose which i want and permit guarantees it?

vernal mortar
vocal barn
vernal mortar
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i aint got time for no alts

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i got many friends in Asia server as well, it is what it is

dusky patio
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i was just reading above if prydwen is not reliable, what site is reliable

vocal barn
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Actually wait since you're here 4k

dusky patio
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for current builds

vocal barn
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Is a max invest 12 questions the way for dps arclight

mystic halo
vernal mortar
novel solar
mystic halo
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which is why we use them

vocal barn
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Surely WNN can't be better when her electrification app is entirely dependant on her ult, right?

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WHAT

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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WNN IS ACTUALLY BETTER

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IS THIS TRUE LMAO

vernal mortar
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wait LOL

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lemme check the skill effects at max vs each other again

dusky patio
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whats everyones laevs gear set rn?

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tide + 3 hot?

vocal barn
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I want so desperately to be able to use WNN because it's such a fun idea of a weapon right now

novel solar
# dusky patio hmm

cn site i found before made most sense what i would choose in most cases

dusky patio
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whats the name?

mystic halo
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there is an english document that's been getting passed around

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with more or less every team

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hang on

shut cobalt
dusky patio
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oh that would be very helpful

novel solar
dusky patio
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if u cud send us the document

mystic halo
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sorry

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base 100%

shut cobalt
novel solar
# steep fable got a link?
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mystic halo
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cn
it's japanese

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what did he mean by this?

steep fable
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lol thats what i was thinking when i pulled it up

novel solar
dusky patio
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ty ^^

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@mystic halo

mystic halo
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it's pretty complete

shut cobalt
# mystic halo base 100%

wait, sorry but i have one last question, that set works for every laev team or for just specific ones?

mystic halo
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with antal ake wulfgard it's a bit different and you have to adjust on the fly

shut cobalt
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alr, thanks

dusky patio
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to play laev correctly with that setup

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how many rotations = ult?

mystic halo
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with 207.7% you get it in 1

dusky patio
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207.7% in ult gen?

mystic halo
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correct

novel solar
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fuck me, everyone says dapan is better than endmin for phys. ill never recover from it

dusky patio
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and currently its not possible yes?

mystic halo
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you need full artifice on all 4 pieces

vernal mortar
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115.2% atk + 124 agility.@vocal barnyeah pot6 and max lvl 12 questions should be better than max lvl, pot0 WNN on arclight @vocal barn

mystic halo
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so you should use a different set until then

dusky patio
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oh ok

vocal barn
vernal mortar
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assuming u can stack the passive twice

vocal barn
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Im already buying 12 questions off the shop

vernal mortar
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gl getting pot6 of the weapon

dusky patio
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with that set

mystic halo
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with tide chest?

dusky patio
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ya

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i have the set and i struggle to 2 rotation

mystic halo
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uhhh let's say you have antal wulf

dusky patio
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ok

mystic halo
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antal > wulf skill, press combos to build 3 stacks on enemy

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heavy to eat the stacks, ardelia combo

dusky patio
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ok so u use sp

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to trigger antal

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into wulf

mystic halo
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laev qte to get to 4 stacks, her skill

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that is 1 cycle

dusky patio
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ok

mystic halo
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then you can just wait til qtes are up again

dusky patio
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and u repeat

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what does qte mean

vernal mortar
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i'm building 3 teams at the same time right now and arclight is one of my fav characters in my electric team so you got good taste as always bro @vocal barn

mystic halo
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that is the basic logic yeah

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sorry kurogames habit

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combo skill

dusky patio
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ok

vocal barn
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LMAO

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Ty ty ty

vernal mortar
vernal mortar
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pgr is life, pgr is love

vocal barn
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I dont care much for the funny bunny so I'm doing arclight maindps instead

dusky patio
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Antal skill - Wulf skill - press combos to build 3 stacks on enemy - heavy to eat stacks - ardelia combo - laev combo hit 4 stacks , her base skill

vocal barn
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Very jank setup where she's swapped with wulfgard instead

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I might swap wulf out for someone else?

vernal mortar
vocal barn
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LMFAO

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The way it goes, I suppose

dusky patio
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@mystic halo so is akekuri not useful then?

vernal mortar
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oh yeah i gotta go to the transgender chaos gem today to become male endmin again

mystic halo
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but the antal one is easier to understand

dusky patio
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mhm got it

mystic halo
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if you understand what we are trying to do in each cycle

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you can apply the same principle with different characters

dusky patio
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true

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and wud u say antal wulf laev ardelia

split axle
dusky patio
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is good enuf for any scenario rn

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since laev deals with all aoe issues

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with her ult

mystic halo
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for daily stuff there's not much point to antal take akekuri

dusky patio
#

ok

mystic halo
vocal barn
#

I might try that one comp in the sheet? @vernal mortar , there are notes about a psuedo meme comp with Alesh in the last slot which looks like it could be a fun time

split axle
vocal barn
#

I wish Ardellia did nature infliction, because I can't really get her to work in the arclight comp as of now

dusky patio
#

so i wud just use akekuris skill in place of antals?

vernal mortar
vocal barn
#

If she did nature infliction she's be perfect, but she just forces corrosion outright

dusky patio
#

to follow the same type of procedure in building ult

vocal barn
#

I do have flourite, but then I'd have to drop antal to make space for her which'd be kinda

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Iunno man that's a little scuffed

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I might try it though lmao

vernal mortar
vernal mortar
vocal barn
#

:0

mystic halo
#

basically when arclight uses stack he can qte

dusky patio
#

On some sites it mentions that operators can go up to 100

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is this true information?

mystic halo
#

99 was the cap in cbt2 but they lowered it

dusky patio
#

for the future i guess

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Okay

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Maybe they raise it to 100?

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or keep it forever 90

mystic halo
#

who knows

mystic halo
#

in the 2nd cycle you would press wulfgard skill for 1 stack, then two qtes for total of 3

dusky patio
#

antal = 1 stack and then wulf applies 2 right

mystic halo
#

yes

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beacuse antal puts his focus on the enemy for 60s

dusky patio
#

correct

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i dont know what focus does

mystic halo
#

he cannot apply any stakcs himself without wulfgard triggering combo for him

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it's his battle skill

dusky patio
#

oh ok

mystic halo
#

when someone applies stack to enemy he is focused on he can combo to apply another stack

dusky patio
#

oo

mystic halo
#

if it is a long fight you need to remember to look at the boss hp bar

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and reapply the effect when it runs out with his skill

dusky patio
#

im reading his combo doesnt apply a stack tho

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unless im understanding the sequence wrong

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u mentioned smth about heavy eat stacks

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heavy to eat stacks*

mystic halo
#

so when the enemy he is focused on receives an infliction

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his combo activates

dusky patio
#

correct

mystic halo
#

he sees that wulfgard has applied a stack

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and his qte will copy that

dusky patio
#

yep which was 2 fire

mystic halo
#

and apply another stack

dusky patio
#

oh is that how it works

mystic halo
#

yes

dusky patio
#

Ah arts infliction

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is any element

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now im getting it

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ahh so this is why antal is op

mystic halo
dusky patio
#

yes which gives her ult charge

vocal barn
dusky patio
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and with tide if i do this correctly

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it shud be 2 rotations

mystic halo
#

correct

dusky patio
#

ok

mystic halo
#

and each rotation contains 1 combo and 1 enhanced skill from her

#
  • whatever you need from your teammates to get that
dusky patio
#

ok

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Does her 1 enhanced

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come after the whole antal thing

mystic halo
#

it typically comes after her combo skill

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because her combo also gives 1 charge

dusky patio
#

ok

mystic halo
#

she gets 3 from eating the fire stacks on the enemy

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and the last one she needs from her own combo

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which is triggered by ard combo

dusky patio
#

yes

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i knew that one ard triggers laev

mystic halo
#

yes and now you should know everything you need to

dusky patio
#

ty PerliOK

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in regards to that guide then on the doc

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wud u say the 207.7

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far outweighs

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tide set if both are fully artificed

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cause u wud be in ult longer

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regardless of c0/c5

shut cobalt
#

is using the charge set on laev even worth it? u lose out on this many buffs for a single rot ult
does removing one rot pay off that much?

mystic halo
#

technically it depends on the fight but your results to time spent ratio is generally going to be better with the charge set

dusky patio
#

since ur in her ult

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perma

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which is majority of her dmg

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unlike other heroes

hexed prairie
#

chat when i look on prydwen laeva build guide, its considered using lynx slab is better for laeva, but if we go for raw int the tidefall armor is better in that case, i havent test the comparison between these 2, but which one is better overall?

mystic halo
#

tide

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100% of the time

shut cobalt
dusky patio
mystic halo
#

it depends on the fight

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but if you are doing like overworld stuff

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you are going to want one cycle ult 100% of the time

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and it will improve your experience greatly there

dusky patio
#

overworld stuff

shut cobalt
mystic halo
#

we cant know until it comes out

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we can only work with what we already have

gritty olive
#

ok

shut cobalt
gritty olive
#

ive properly calculated damage

hexed prairie
# mystic halo 100% of the time

what's the thing that made u say tidefall is better? is it because of the energy or? from what people say tidefall have better dmg on skill, but lynx have better damage on ult basic

dusky patio
#

tide allows 2 rotation ult gen

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while slab prob doesnt

mystic halo
#

there is a canned set of hard stages coming up but theyre probably going to be onetime and not a conventional abyss or something

dusky patio
#

ur overall losing damage and time

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@hexed prairie

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is what opal is saying i think

mystic halo
shut cobalt
hexed prairie
dusky patio
#

yes

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i wudnt trust prydwen it seems

mystic halo
#

because you have to use the fire set chestpiece which has poor stats for her

dusky patio
#

they arent very good at stuff like this

hexed prairie
mystic halo
#

tide chest has better stats in the slot and also lets you run fire hands which is great

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well the main stat being higher doesnt matter

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if your atk is lower...

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I guess theoretically with various buffs that might be applied from things like thermite on akekuri

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the scaling might work out slightly better

hexed prairie
#

aight then time to change this, and idk is this the right sub, should i level up my sub dps? build a second team? or upgrade her essence(already got the right essence for her)

gritty olive
#

35.2% fire dmg = 1.352 dmg mult
0.5 def standard = 0.5 def mult
2849 truncated atk = 2849 atk mult
27% N1 = 0.27 scaling mult
no vuln = 1 vuln mult
1.352 * 0.5 * 2849 * 0.27 * 1 = 519.999

mystic halo
#

but you are still giving up 2 cycle charge for no reason

gritty olive
#

its on point ami

shut cobalt
mystic halo
#

like I said

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it depends

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but I would recommend everyone make charge set

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it feels very smooth to play

shut cobalt
dusky patio
#

even without uh the full artifice set?

mystic halo
#

do NOT use it without the full artifice

dusky patio
#

o

mystic halo
#

use tide + hot work if you dont have it fully upgraded

dusky patio
#

im assuming u exp this in cbt

drifting quest
dusky patio
#

to know its fluidity

drifting quest
#

roughly

gritty olive
#

i still havent calced with crits

mystic halo
#

it

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look, man

gritty olive
#

ill just add consider the mult post calculation, when i tallied every damage

mystic halo
#

it all fucking depends

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that's just how this game is

shut cobalt
gritty olive
#

@shut cobalt is this laev

dusky patio
#

till its maxed out

gritty olive
#

ill try to calc it very soon

mystic halo
#

yeah and then use that one for almost everything

shut cobalt
dusky patio
#

instead of using it on her tide set

mystic halo
#

cause it feels so nice to play

gritty olive
#

since i now got the damage formula

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also how do essences work?

dusky patio
#

i see

shut cobalt
#

alr, thanks!

dusky patio
shut cobalt
drifting quest
#

optimal angle is to save materials till umbral monument drops

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then see how it is in monument

gritty olive
dusky patio
#

in cbt was there more heroes than what we have currently?

gritty olive
#

very soon it should be available

mystic halo
#

same roster in cbt

gritty olive
dusky patio
#

oo

gritty olive
#

same goes here

dusky patio
#

so we have no clue on how op the newer units are gonna be

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we just build with what we got

gritty olive
#

does someone have 90/90 + max wp surtr

dusky patio
#

yvonne banner is worth skipping?

gritty olive
#

im tryna something

dusky patio
#

since i havent seen a yvonne video im not sure where she lands in power to laev

lost heart
dusky patio
#

nvm the guide says

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shes utter garbage

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loool

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my b for asking

lost heart
dusky patio
#

Oh @mystic halo very improtant question

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in ULT

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do u just perma auto atk

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even ignoring skills like enhanced and combo

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since her dmg is all tied to her weaps buff

mystic halo
#

she should try to do enhanced skills in ult

dusky patio
#

and the nature of her surtr

mystic halo
#

the multiplier is very high

dusky patio
#

ok

mystic halo
#

try to do 2 per ult

dusky patio
#

but ignore combo

gritty olive
#

im checking if this atk is onpoint

mystic halo
#

uhhh

dusky patio
#

since its weak

mystic halo
#

combo is a weird one

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it's sometimes worth and sometimes not

dusky patio
#

ok

mystic halo
#

you can cancel part of its animation, right after she stomps her foot down

dusky patio
#

try for 2 enhanced and just keep swinging

mystic halo
#

and have it still come out

dusky patio
#

ya

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to save time

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ani cancel

gritty olive
#

just max unit + wp surtr is fine

dusky patio
#

ok good to know

mystic halo
#

if it can make you hit a breakpoint, and let you do one less auto combo before you have an enhanced skill, you should do it

dusky patio
#

ah ok

mystic halo
#

her combo has very low cooldown so you generally dont have to be worried about it not being ready once your ult ends and you need to charge again

dry kindle
gritty olive
#

plsplspls im getting impatient shu_dizzy

dry kindle
#

What are the numbers

dusky patio
#

true

gritty olive
grave flame
dry kindle
dusky patio
#

for etching opal let me know if im wrong , u buy engraving tickets to try to force the 3 stats ur weap needs the 2 attributes and the effect

gritty olive
dusky patio
#

is the fodder u feed it

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can be just 1 of the stats that main essence needs

dry kindle
#

Forgot dupe doesn't affect atk line

lost heart
gritty olive
#

so you can try messing around with the combat timeline for funsies

dry kindle
gritty olive
#

this stuff

gritty olive
shut cobalt
#

wait, now that i know prydwen isnt reliable cuz of the onyx slab thingy
these r still the best for these 3, right?

dry kindle
gritty olive
#

someone i know is tryna export a json file for automation when its a TOS breach
that guy istg om

dry kindle
#

Doesn't akekuri use double xiranite kits

gritty olive
#

@shut cobalt do you have forgeborn on laev + maxlevel wp and surtr

dry kindle
#

Nvm its

#

Frontier is a real set

grave flame
gritty olive
primal ocean
gritty olive
#

here is my gear for reference

gritty olive
primal ocean
#

ok let me check

dry kindle
shut cobalt
drifting quest
drifting quest
#

max trust

gritty olive
#

why tf do i have 587

dry kindle
#

Mandatory counting

gritty olive
drifting quest
#

prob

dry kindle
#

Not even 9 int

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๐Ÿ˜”

gritty olive
#

so maxlvl only

#

om wait

#

ok wait

sly nymph
#

why does it say โ€œโ€ฆsuch skills then applyโ€ then

primal ocean
#

just remove the essence

drifting quest
#

true

shut cobalt
drifting quest
#

523 int 222 str 3797 atk

drifting berry
drifting quest
#

wait for more info

drifting quest
#

going hard on artificing is semi bait right now

#

anyway

#

we dont know how live monument will work

#

build differs based on that

#

set pieces are cheap so it doesnt matter much

drifting berry
#

I guess so, also you can just craft more if anything

drifting quest
#

artificing is turbo expensive

shut cobalt
drifting quest
#

for who

drifting quest
primal ocean
shut cobalt
sly nymph
#

i artificed ult gen because it seems hella worth

dry kindle
#

You just need 24k comps per character

sly nymph
#

but rest i will wait until builds finalise

drifting quest
#

it costs irl sanity

dry kindle
dry kindle
#

I needa check gears for stat maxing

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But I'm lazy

pine fiber
#

trying to get a perfect twilight esscence for perlica, what stats are best to lock using the tickets? the twilight skill or arts dmg boost

dry kindle
#

So I'm just gonna keep using normal matches

dry kindle
#

Do you have p5 wulf

dusky patio
shut cobalt
dusky patio
#

if so may i have a copy to it?

drifting quest
#

you arent proccing hot work enough

dry kindle
drifting quest
#

at p5 or at low invesment you just run ult gain

#

at high investment you can run something like bonekrusha

shut cobalt
placid steeple
#

Anybody know how much worse Frontiers armour (strength, intelligence, ultimate dmg %) is than Tide Surge which is reccomended for Laev/Surtr?

dry kindle
#

Just run this on ake

shut cobalt
placid steeple
#

I prefer ult dmg as a stat than charge efficiency but it swaps her main stats out

dry kindle
placid steeple
#

Off piece gives her two strongest

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Flame set has bad main stats

placid steeple
drifting quest
grave flame
shut cobalt
drifting quest
#

yes

shut cobalt
#

alr, thanks

dry kindle
#

Anyway you need tide

#

No ult charge bricks your rotation

placid steeple
#

Except for in all the sites

#

Off piece

tight haven
#

im gna crash out why did they remove failed artifices giving you back wuling money

#

2 weeks and still not done w surtr. omg

dry kindle
#

Wdym you can't afford it

tight haven
#

๐Ÿ’”

#

getting money checked hard. give me more outposts. i need to colonize your country fangyi

placid steeple
tight haven
#

(jk it just opens up even better ult rots)

placid steeple
#

Time to start pulling

tight haven
#

hire me hg

placid steeple
#

Iโ€™m at p3 rn I have 20 pulls left

manic blade
#

has anyone done the calcs for crit vs heat dmg for laevatain (wulf akekuri ardelia) team?

tight haven
#

i have yet to test

#

maybe when i max artifice my first set of surtr gear i can tell you

#

which at this rate will be in a month ๐Ÿ‘

oblique galleon
#

So about the surtr lynx vs tide fall. The advantage being faster ult rotation is completely useless if I have pot 5, or am I missing something?

dry kindle
#

Find someone high enough to understand energy gen and we can find out

oblique galleon
#

Ult cost is 300, p4 is - 15% aka 45. So at p4 you need 255

#

2 eskills gives you 277

placid steeple
#

And now you tell me

civic wolf
#

Sorry but i just realized that i can just get Valiant by doing 3 more multis in Lav sig banner

I already selected thermal cutter, is it worth it? Since im already Lav sig having deep into the arsenal banner anyway

placid steeple
#

This is all YOUR fault

civic wolf
#

and LIfeng's stuck with 4-5* option without Valiant

placid steeple
#

All your fault

tight haven
#

hire me hg.

dry kindle
heavy fossil
#

since youโ€™ve pulled more than 2

placid steeple
heavy fossil
#

did you just win your 50/50s then

placid steeple
#

I never lose

heavy fossil
#

oh congrats then

placid steeple
#

I assume it resets

heavy fossil
#

have fun with p4 laevatain LOL

placid steeple
#

Back to 65-120

lost heart
#

4 is not a bad number

placid steeple
#

Jhin would appreciate it

heavy fossil
#

might as well p5

oblique galleon
heavy fossil
oblique galleon
#

No

heavy fossil
#

but it starts when you get your first copy?

oblique galleon
#

Also that token is not a guaranteed pull

#

Think of it as getting it in your mail

#

It's extra

heavy fossil
oblique galleon
manic blade
#

dude deep dive marble is a nightmare

placid steeple
karmic perch
#

do characters gain energy from any sources besides the ones listed directly on their own skills?

oblique galleon
#

It's lynx slab vs tide faall armor

#

You use 2nd pyrometer if you use tide fall

placid steeple
#

Main attribute +20% worth over 13% ult charge and gutting some of your armour stats?

#

Is that the question

#

If I understand d

oblique galleon
#

Ult charge isn't a factor if you're p4

placid steeple
#

So why isnโ€™t it always a yes

placid steeple
oblique galleon
#

It's heat damage from heat set armor vs int + strength on tide fall armor

#

If you go tidefall you miss out on 20% heat damage for matching stats

#

And a useless 3rd line on p4

#

And you skew more towards skill damage due to 2nd pyrometer

manic blade
#

man we just see heat set and throw it as optimal everywhere ๐Ÿ˜ญ I want to see crit set#s with respect to it

oblique galleon
#

If you go lynx you get slightly lower stats but you get 20% more heat dmg

placid steeple
daring dove
oblique galleon
#

I think heat damage is bloated tho

placid steeple
drifting quest
#

quite a bit

placid steeple
#

Already

#

Itโ€™s like a 8% increase

#

Which is what you mean by bloated Iโ€™m guessing

drifting quest
#

the more you get of the same type of damage buff the more diluted each buff becomes

oblique galleon
placid steeple
#

Yeah I understand, thatโ€™s why I said so many sources so itโ€™s a small increase

oblique galleon
placid steeple
#

Was just asking if thatโ€™s what bloated is

manic blade
oblique galleon
#

Also the post that bloated this argument up was based on the dmg from ult E 3rd hit

#

Which is skewed in favor of tide armor

manic blade
#

tho it might also be better bc i get the ult multiplier from p5

placid steeple
oblique galleon
#

Due to skill dmg buff

#

But laevatein main dmg is basic atks

manic blade
placid steeple
#

Especially at p3 itโ€™s *1.5 or so? Feels like taking away 40% skill damage gotta hurt a lot

daring dove
placid steeple
dusky patio
#

anyone have the link to a gear input doc?

oblique galleon
manic blade
#

crit consistent dmg buffs I'm thinking should out weigh the burst dmg of hot works but I need calculations done to prove it

oblique galleon
#

You only need 2 Eskills at p4 regardless of set

#

Could go naked

#

You still get ult

placid steeple
#

Iโ€™m a bit confused on her skill multipliers

#

Batk seq 1&2 during ultimate

#

Is under her skill

#

Does that refer to her skill being 2 instances of damage?

#

And then the additional atk is the combustion + heat dmg from consuming melting flame stacks?

drifting quest
#

that has new multipliers

placid steeple
#

You can ping me btw Run

drifting quest
#

my pings are default off

#

i have to turn them on

#

im usually lazy

placid steeple
#

AE_NekoSalute nwnw

oblique galleon
placid steeple
#

Yes

#

Her p3 buffs combustion damage and duration

#

Which are at the top and only modified in practice (unless itโ€™s bugged)

#

But it doesnโ€™t say which multiplier IS the combustion

drifting quest
#

combustion is a reaction its damage isnt tied to a laevatein multiplier

#

it's a separate thing

#

laev pot just gives an extra multiplier to it

#

to answer the obvious question no i dont know the calc

#

stuff with arts intensity yada yada

dry kindle
#

Why do I see crit discussions Condemned

placid steeple
#

Yeah Iโ€™m not smart enough to figure out what the optimal is for p4 or otherwise

drifting quest
#

or wuwa

placid steeple
#

Yea

#

Defo hoyo they had an Acheron pfp

dry kindle
placid steeple
#

Guys 35% Crit IS optimal dmg if you just crit every time

dry kindle
#

Fuck you discord

drifting quest
dry kindle
#

Me when phys is an arts reaction

finite schooner
#

Endfield industries is blackrock

#

Literal mine and exploit black rocks that may or may not be harmful to workers

placid steeple
#

The industrialist propaganda from a Chinese company is peak

finite schooner
#

I would not be surprised if blackrock owns a shell company that funded this thing in the first place

#

The rabbit hole

oblique galleon
#

If a gigabrain with some cool tism flavor shows up with damage calcs for p4 surtr ping me please

placid steeple
#

mmmmm yummy tism

tacit bloom
#

any1 know best artificing for Laevatain?

dry kindle
#

Yw

digital scroll
#

do we have any numbers on how much is the dmg taken% value of breach per stack?

drifting quest
#

focus on essences

tacit bloom
oblique galleon
drifting quest
#

what is best in slot gear for laevatein is highly contested right now

tacit bloom
drifting quest
#

endgame mode

dry kindle
#

๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ

drifting quest
#

closest equiv to spiral abyss

tacit bloom
#

oh

dry kindle
#

I can't wait to not do shit in it because aoe content vs LR

drifting quest
#

its not even that aoe

oblique galleon
drifting quest
#

from what we saw

dry kindle
#

More than 1

#

LR is fucked

dry kindle
#

๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ

drifting quest
#

3 hot work tide vs 3 hot work lynx vs redeemer seal is contested

oblique galleon
#

Fck everything imma go no set all random useless stats on p5 surtr, deal?

drifting quest
#

surely

chrome flax
#

seal build doesn't work until max artifice tho no? BEDGE