infra-station

[toxic osprey]

isn't people get hacked a lil too much

[toxic osprey]

peak event

[toxic osprey]

fun

[clever cipher]

bruh these ursus civilians are also annoying as playable

those miners deserve the freedom, these civs can eat the bullets

[toxic osprey]

ursus civilian stage is real headache

you have to run in the specific route

[blazing urchin]

Ark No Night

[subtle pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1487445982571663400/nianattack.gif

[pure pagoda]

Off fron Arknight sadly

[somber mango]

bro wasted resources and dropped the game 🥀

[pure pagoda]

i got a better life after graduation

so i have to drop it quicker

i might become inactive from here for a long time then

see y'all around

[worthy fossil]

Journey well

[hearty star]

vro dropped the game for greener pastures 🥹

[somber mango]

for minecraft 🥀

[steady escarp]

It's survey time guys

Burn HG to the ground

Show'em we want quality game, not gachaslop

[grand prawn]

I won't hold my breath

[worthy fossil]

constructive feedback

is needed to progress your motives

[grand prawn]

What was the survey targeting this time

is targeting?

[steady escarp]

same as other ones

The thing is 1.1 was probably already written and ready at release, so hard to expect anything

I just wonder from what point we can expect any change

[grand prawn]

1.3 most likely

[steady escarp]

as usual, I'll post my feedback here for people who are curious about it

[grand prawn]

it doesnt wrap

Im not reading that

[steady escarp]

LMAO

[steady escarp]

wrap ?

[grand prawn]

Text wrap, you know when a sentence starts a new line

without hitting enter

To read all of that, you have to scroll side to side and that's awful

[somber mango]

bro is still so elaborate with feedback

i am too tired of crashing out when writing feedback now🥀

i only wrote the most important thing for me and thats all

[steady escarp]

of course, thats what feedbacks are for

[somber mango]

every time i did the feedback, i got so damn mad bruh :D

[supple galleon]

uhmmmm

[stable bear]

The mail fox fully upgraded

[astral coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-why-jontron-what-gif-17277190

[slate latch]

go now fetch catcher

[somber mango]

yo @tight thicket, so whats up with all the ♻️ and 🤡? is it you describing yourself or people you disagree with? whats the meaning with all the spamming? or is it just lil trollin?

[stable bear]

Where is this?

[somber mango]

bro only sits in feedback channel

[stable bear]

I don't check that area. good to know

[somber mango]

just calling the clowns that seem to think that anything that reminds them any other gacha game is inherently bad

but they know that their arguments are too stupid when written so all they can do is spam clown and recycle emojis and circlejerk each other with true emojis

[somber mango]

pretty much almost the reaction i expected tbh, but not exactly

[tight thicket]

That’s wild

[hearty star]

decided to type out my disappointment on the survey 🔥

[somber mango]

@low spire
my question is what do you do with all the excess batteries that you inevitably get? cos i am selling all the batteries without doing all this stuff and i am still clearing the stock and both my batteries and capsules reach max capacity in the storage

just bypassing that 2h slowmode :D

[boreal oriole]

Tell me how because mine is just about at equilibrium

[somber mango]

the v4 is pretty easy to stockpile, lemme show my wuling production then for the relevancy

[boreal oriole]

True for v4, wuling though
My production is not keeping up with the economy

[somber mango]

so i mainly produce batteries and yazhen A, and then the remaining 30/h iron + 25/h from metastorage goes into the miniscule yazhen C

and that is pretty much enough to clear this site and slowly stockpile the batteries

[low spire]

im using them with turrent for the ground rifts in map

im relativly new player so i still need halp with map rift mobs

[somber mango]

same, afk farming the essences with turrets

[low spire]

i dont know what you mean afk farming

[somber mango]

anyway, you will see then in the future that we dont really need too many excess batteries because we cant sell them all

[low spire]

no i know about the battery busness 😄

the quality of life is for fast puting and taking turet in field

and for the utilization of turret
for that to happan in the game
i need baterys to be in my inventory

[somber mango]

sure, i dont mind more qols, my point is that you just connect with electricity grid and you dont really need to minmax that

i never hold batteries in my inventory

[low spire]

i dont want to put elecricity all ower the map
i understood what you mant

about the static main BOSS rift

but i mean all over the map there is small blue rifts in the ground

[somber mango]

ah, those, alright then, sure

[low spire]

i mean the first clear thing

yes im talking about the begginer experiacance

and so when i go to bank and put all the loot i got from field

i put my batterys in bank allsou

so i have to manualy all the time take another pack of baterys ...

this coment is the BEST! =d

but i still think filter is better

because then i have to manualy Pin lock every pack of 50 Batterys ...

and the problem with turrets and batterys is because you can have onely limited amount of turrrets

so i have to take them with me

[placid shuttle]

both is good of course

i'd prefer to only pin the consumables i want to keep in my inventory, and not end up having my slots filled up by 10~ random consumables i don't plan on using

same with the facilities and similar items i consistently use

you might craft something or take it out of the depot briefly, and you won't actually need to use it 24/7, yet it'll still end up sticking around in your inventory if you plan on quick stashing it

there's many keyboard + mouse interactions you should be able to bind to make this and existing functions more convenient to use for most people

[frosty swift]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/action-rpg/arknights-endfield-dev-says-launching-a-new-gacha-rpg-in-a-post-genshin-impact-world-is-tough-when-some-titles-are-so-similar-that-players-go-into-a-game-for-1-hour-and-they-know-what-will-happen-in-the-next-20-hours/

[hearty star]

who could've seen this coming😭

[pallid escarp]

How about not using the same storytelling style, the same 3rd person combat where each character has like a skill and an ultimate, also change the tone of the game into something different instead of main mc with memory loss who is the most important character in the universe?

[grand prawn]

I want to summon turrets in fights

[toxic osprey]

just don't do what genshin did

and as some of us discuss before those tourist won't read story by them self anyway

[jaunty venture]

The article doesn't even have much on that quote or context to it anywhere in the body itself..

[...] in the next 20 hours. It's like, build teams, fight the dungeons, and get rewards.
Article talks about lowering team resource costs so you can try more teams, and upcoming experimentation with the factory gameplay.

Not sure what the topics in here has to do with the article

I don't think they're surprised about that fact, so they saw it coming.
I don't think there's anything in the article that's about the story (as Milo also said, most of the players don't even really care about that for if they continue playing)

[toxic osprey]

I didn't bother reading the article at first since the headline is like that but now i read it

[placid shuttle]

[toxic osprey]

this game we have is already decreased state?

fr?

[jaunty venture]

Are you struggling with resources to build teams?

Not gacha currency, but progression materials

[toxic osprey]

i mean i push every char to 60

but i can't even really say i build them properly
(yes i clear all content and in the state of have nothing else to do in the game)

it's work for me to build multiple team if i'm not max out a char

........

it's not enough resource to push multiple team to level 80 for a whole team rn if you are f2p

and to be honest this article only point out one system that are different from genshin
"The factory building" which yeah different

and that's it

[jaunty venture]

I joined the game 5 days after launch and have played daily and I think I could max any team I'd want to at this point. I have every character I own but two at lv60. I only don't have Yvonne and Rossi.
I have 4 teams at minimum lv80 with its suitable abilities lv9 - the main dps being lv90 and 1-3 abilities maxed - and that's me deciding to raise the pure supports from 60 to 80 just cause.
I have I have bought both battlepasses, but from what I've heard that's not gonna make that big of a difference from what you mention

[toxic osprey]

and i'm not that stupid to unable to tell different between gacha currency and progression mat
so pls that's feel like and insult

[jaunty venture]

I am saying that for clarification's sake so we didn't unintentionally speak past each other

[toxic osprey]

but yeah

[jaunty venture]

I haven't played Genshin past its launch so I couldn't say what they're doing now, but I'm happy I have some actually interesting combat encounters (albeit not the hardest) rather than whatever that RNG tower grind Genshin had on launch was

[toxic osprey]

i don't think we can build every team possible with the resource we have
if not play every day to burn our sanity

[jaunty venture]

You can spend 10 min to burn the sanity daily, no?
If you are letting the sanity stay capped, of course that is going to hinder your progression

[toxic osprey]

yeah

but not every one play like me

by that i mean spend around 1-2hours in this game each day

and in the early day i even farm my exp from mobs till it hit cap

tho E3 60 is already enough for support i do want to push them all to E4 but we don't have enough resource for that

[jaunty venture]

You haven't let sanity boosters expire I assume?

[toxic osprey]

no

never

and i'm on monthly pass too

so not f2p

the real pain in term of wasting sanity is probably essence farming if you have bad luck

[jaunty venture]

I don't know then. Something doesn't really add up to me in what you describe your experience to be compared to my own

Supports above lv60 is pure luxury to be fair, as you just need enough for their lv9 skill and golden equipment. I'd focus on getting your lv80 (even 90 if you really want) damage up

Specially if you want to try multiple teams

[toxic osprey]

my 2 main dps is 90 for both team so that's where my resource are gone to

heat and cryo is

phys nature electric is 80

and sup are all 60

so idk what's is not add up to you

oh yeah every char in my team have perfect essence too

not max etched just perfect stat

[jaunty venture]

hmm. I just don't feel like I've had any struggle with getting teams up in a way that hindered my progression or ability to try teams?

Right now I have a full cryo, heat and 2-3 phys team's worth of different characters ready to go.
I have perfect essences, although most aren't maxxed as I consider that probably the lowest priority

From what it sounds like to me, I'd probably consider your situation fine for me as well though So maybe just different expectations

Going from lv80 to lv90 and mastering skills I do also consider a luxury rather than necessity. The combat challenges or time trimming just doesn't really warrant it atm

[toxic osprey]

i don't do mastery except main skill for main dps like leavatain ult and skill or Yvonne ult

and i didn't said i can't try team but to be able to actually see there full potential we clearly don't have enough resource

[jaunty venture]

It's not to discredit your experience, don't worry! I was just curious about your perspective on it
But yea trying and maxing the teams are two different things. I wonder what Ryan in the context of the article considers 'trying combinations' is. I'd say be able to reach lv60, build a gearset and have say 1-2 skills at lv9 per operator, as those are usually the majority of the operator's worth

[toxic osprey]

we mostly can try to build a proper team at E3 60

since we get access to gold gear and all their passive skill

skill level is not even need for trying the team combination

but anyone who try team out with all E3 60 + lvl 1 skill and only unlock passive with some gear is......

I don't think they are typical player type

[jaunty venture]

It isn't necessary for the skills yea, but to get a real feel for where the damage comes from (and in rare instances stuff like SP recovery/return) is easier with leveled skills

[toxic osprey]

SP recovery of most vanguard also don't go up with skill level tho

as far as i remember it's only Akekuri's ult

[jaunty venture]

Arclight has a big of recovery scaling as well. Pog is only on mastery iirc

[toxic osprey]

Ew mastery

if we need E4 vanguard to try it out i don't think we have enough resource fr bro

[jaunty venture]

Can you truly say Pog is good if you don't M3 his BS?

That 5 SP per Vul stack is very important (I only use his CS)

[toxic osprey]

eh i leave my pog like this and i can use him to clear agony so-

yeah 20 more sp big number

but Eww mastery

[pallid escarp]

Yeah mastery is such a huge investment, you need like 50+ of very specific material and its only ONE skill

And a bunch of T-cred and other skill materials too

But that 3% more dmg on Gilberta ultimate is very tempting for me lol

[toxic osprey]

i finally play rossi story and damn

Bonekrusher is stupid enough to fall for a kid's trap

their intelligent degradation is no joke

[oblique plank]

what should bro buy first

[boreal oriole]

Roll a dice

[hearty star]

any thoughts on it

[toxic osprey]

what bro

that's my thought

[hearty star]

thought there was more 😭😭

[toxic osprey]

oh wow trim the cleaning event is easier than i thought

i didn't thought i would trim it first try

but welp here we are nice saving time

[hearty star]

i think this version lowk full of nothingburger

[toxic osprey]

damn how the heck that guy get it down to 1:19

i'm sweaty and still only got 1:31

6th one of this event btw

[jaunty venture]

The ranks are your friendlist

[fresh carbon]

@muted pier got a 0:58

asians smh

[toxic osprey]

6th one? not the 7th?

[muted pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489546734567952527/1489908191524290710/image.png?ex=69d220a2&is=69d0cf22&hm=fbc788c3a68cd9463e8cd3c32849f46ba0ab6d3a98db3a2c3d59ccd6a157e974&

[fresh carbon]

you son of a bitch

how the fuck

[muted pier]

I did it to piss off the guy in p2

He hasn't come online yet

[toxic osprey]

which one is that?

[muted pier]

Bouncy

[toxic osprey]

ok

i talking about platform

[muted pier]

I'm gonna do the platform later

I'm still at church

I think I got a 1:40 there

[muted pier]

Only friendlist rank fyi

[toxic osprey]

yeah i know that

else i would saw 100+ people

[toxic osprey]

now i'm sweaty too

and now even more sweaty

I think this is my limit

[fresh carbon]

[toxic osprey]

damn i can't figure out the optimal route for platform

[muted pier]

jp players when it comes to cleaning things digitally

maybe i should use a jp signature instead of a russian one

[tribal orchid]

man this game's getting stale for me

literally gotta turn off ur brain just to deal with dailies and rare growth/ores every day

i need more story

[jaunty venture]

How many of the growths/ores do you have? After a certain while you're good for multiple characters so you could stop picking them up if it feels like a tedium

As an extreme example, this is rossi 1->80 and skills to 9 with talents, and then from 80->90 and mastery in all skills

https://perlica.moe/planner

So if you forgo those, you only have ~10 min of doing your dailies,

• Dijang management
• Outpost Deployments
• Gifts (? I assume you'd be done with those)
• 100 activity points (I usually just do the daily quest myself, but there are quicker stuff with leveling a character and weapon a day)
• Transfer Job Delivery (Wuling and V4 power plateau one)
• Sanity spending
• Delivery Station
• Growths
• • some if you care to do the multiple deliveries

and even then you can do just fine only doing it every second day tbh

[tribal orchid]

man thats really helpful info thanks

ye i think ive consistently gotten all the rare growths and ores ever since the release

even the very basic starter ones like pink bolete

[placid shuttle]

yeah i was going to recommend not collecting these every day or even every week

i personally haven't collected shit since i fully maxed the teams i want to use

i'll gather more whenever i actually need to

there's no point in stressing every 3~ days, running around the entire map on ziplines for a resource that's already infinitely regenerating itself in the dijiang

[grand prawn]

The daily 100 is really the only must you have to do tbh

[jaunty venture]

I'd keep sanity from capping as well just because it's so quick and allows you to stack materials for future operators, but you can do that every second day

[grand prawn]

I generally just do sanity, daily and credits

[steady escarp]

wtf is the design of the 3rd umbral stage?
"hey, let's have a boss that constalty applies thermal impairment, in a game where 80% of combo skills trigger on elemental reactions other than thermal"

[grand prawn]

Uh

One, it's Rossi's level. Two. The whole idea is to NOT bring thermal skills

It buffs him

You need to undo it

[stoic narwhal]

Use the debuff to your advantage by either inflicting a reaction or consuming it.

[grand prawn]

I used snowshine to cancel it

[hearty star]

welcome to akef❤️

[grand prawn]

I actually didnt mind the third stage agony

It made me change my team

[flint ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1474612730240438302/twitter-gif-2021789131769360623.gif

[placid shuttle]

.tangtang2

[leaden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1473055467092709655/117134493cfa4506.png?ex=6994d14f&is=69937fcf&hm=1e6a9ff7db5526ea0e479813be9b10d9312711146541ae361088402fdd1131b1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1920&height=1080

[hearty star]

vro is hella bouncy

[steady escarp]

Oh hi fruity person

[hard citrus]

I messed up 2 seconds

[fresh carbon]

how'd you get 10 minutes 💀

[grand prawn]

Assuming they have 100 friends, how did they get 27th

[hard citrus]

There were better slowrunners than me

[somber mango]

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE

[grand prawn]

Denied

You will be alone forever

[placid swallow]

accepted priestess is only following doc plan

[soft otter]

Hehehe bald endmin

Wtf

Here is the location btw

[hearty star]

endmin the skinwalker😭

[boreal oriole]

Baldmin

[hearty star]

i just realised

we js fighting pale malnourished crackheads in valley 4

[grand prawn]

We're batman?

[hearty star]

idk probably

[grand prawn]

nananananananana...

[indigo glade]

What about the really big ones

[hearty star]

clavicular

[indigo glade]

true

[toxic osprey]

damn 140 roll save now

rossi temptation tho

[grand prawn]

I didnt get Rossi from my 10 roll 🙁

I got Yvonne

[toxic osprey]

i just want rossi for one reason

clue room skill

[grand prawn]

Thats fair

Im tempted too

[grand prawn]

lol what is this event

childhood memories lol

[hearty star]

why is zzz so jiggly vro😭😭😭

[tight thicket]

That’s their modus operandi to market the game after tv features had to be deleted indefinitely

[hearty star]

😭😭😭

[hearty star]

i think this next update is mifu and lizhiyan honestly

[toxic osprey]

fangyi came last

[hearty star]

yep

as much as people allude to the colour scheme, i doubt it's gonna be fangyi

and the story did imply mifu will be more involved

zhuang is still "nothing ever happens"

[toxic osprey]

Good for me I have time to save for her

[hearty star]

how many pulls can you do this patch

[toxic osprey]

huh?

i did total of 140 pull

since tang tang guarantee the shit out of me

but still have another 140 save up

[hearty star]

ah i see

also i thought it was 120 for guaranteed

[toxic osprey]

well rossi got free 10 pull from tang tang 60th i have no reason not to use it

[hearty star]

i see i see

[hearty star]

i do wanna ask the most important question for akef

which character has the biggest boobs

[toxic osprey]

rossi

fine

i got question mark so here the real answer

Da Pan

[hearty star]

😭

[indigo glade]

Im just going to say its going to be a Yvonne situation where the third operator of the patch is the best Liason for the 2nd outpost for some reason

[hearty star]

likely honestly

[rustic rune]

where tf did Tangtang run off to

[stable bear]

Classic zoomies

[blazing urchin]

Mi Fu tbh

[hearty star]

probably?

i was thinking of yvonne but that's likely because hers stand out

[fresh carbon]

Yvonne is about the same size but she stands out more 'cus she got the shortstack buff

[hearty star]

also the outfit makes her boobs more pronounced

[jaunty venture]

Yvonne has baloons inside her outfit, or at least some insanely heavy lift in that bra

Ain't no way they'd be so naturally round

[fresh carbon]

Shape over size

[flint ice]

bruh

[stable bear]

Bruh?

[worthy fossil]

Sweet sweet oroberyl

https://giphy.com/gifs/anime-argentina-baba-WaQONw4ClSWu784ymY

[rustic rune]

https://tenor.com/view/water-cat-thirsty-drip-gif-14099003

only 25 of it 😔

[worthy fossil]

ah well i take what i can get i suppose

why drip feed me like this hypergryph

[fresh carbon]

5% of a single pull

[rustic rune]

nah bro
25 / 5000 = 0.005 = 0.5%

less

kekw

[fresh carbon]

A single pull is 500

[rustic rune]

oh

u said single pull

[fresh carbon]

You counting a 10-pull

[rustic rune]

kekw

[fresh carbon]

[rustic rune]

😭 gacha gamer

[fresh carbon]

[rustic rune]

[worthy fossil]

YOU NEED TO READ

[rustic rune]

only 10 pulls matter anyway

[fresh carbon]

Still fucking nothing

[rustic rune]

[toxic osprey]

10 IQ moment wth is survival training

i feel dumb unable to find it

[jaunty venture]

https://vxtwitter.com/AKEndfield/status/2041712644965724628

Arknights: Endfield (@AKEndfield)

[Survival Training] Challenge Event Details

▼// Event Time
Apr. 9, 2026 at 12:00 – Apr. 30, 2026 at 04:00 (server time)
※ Asia Server Time Zone: UTC+8
※ Americas / Europe Server Time Zone: UTC-5

▼// Event Rewards
During the event period, complete challenge stages to earn event rewards that include: [Portrait: Expert Survivor], [Oroberyls], [Mark of Perseverance], and [Advanced Progression Selection Crate Ⅰ].

▼// Participation Requirements
Complete the main mission [Chapter I Process II: Paving the Way]

▼// Event Details
· During the event, complete challenge stages to claim corresponding rewards.
· The event has a total of 8 stages to challenge. The first 2 will be available when the event begins. Starting from day 3, one new stage will be made available at 04:00 (server time) per day.
· Clearing all the stages rewards an engraved medal for this event. Clearing the final stage within the time limit trims the said medal.

※ For…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 8, 2026, 3:00 AM

[toxic osprey]

another new event huh

no wonder I can't find it

[jaunty venture]

I was confused when I saw it at first as well, under medals.
Figured it was an upcoming event

[fresh carbon]

.tomorrow

[leaden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086672418832394/1383859186047254659/endfieldtomorrow.gif?ex=68885a8c&is=6887090c&hm=f28eb23000acea95f556507745f3bb6d886003937c996dd643e7d5de6ba150fc&=&width=300&height=299

[jaunty venture]

Guilty Gear Strive 2.0 tomorrow

[toxic osprey]

i was guessing that too since it been like that almost every weeks
but this one have a name close to other game mode we have

[hearty star]

i need my slop

[grand prawn]

Milo did you get Rossi?

[rustic rune]

oohhh April 9!!!

.tomorrow indeed

[hardy sierra]

what?

[fresh carbon]

New event, Survival Training

[dapper nova]

Europe server is 24hrs later tho

[jaunty venture]

13 hours later

[proud dock]

so close to 60

[fresh carbon]

59 to 60 felt like damn forever

[proud dock]

oh my god...

[toxic osprey]

nope

if rossi want to be with me she'll come when i pull mifu

[steady escarp]

is it just me who has an issue with rossi's quest ?
like
Who cares they are children ? they are playing with a piece of blight, thats fucking dangerous
Dont play along with them, just be firm and have some authority, and tell them to give the thing back

but nooo we waste time playing along with them, time that could result in disaster

On the other hand, I hate children, so dead children would be a win in my book

[steady escarp]

Oh nice
Kids playing inside a litteral originium vein
NOTHING CAN GO WRONG
But DONT WORRY ABOUT IT ENDMIN

Is that originium dust I see floating ? THE THING THAT GIVES ORIPATHY ?
But DONT WORRY ABOUT IT ENDMIN
After all ORIPATHY IS THE SAME AS BEFORE RIGHT?

[placid shuttle]

.tangtang

[leaden tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468993592369352764/TangtangLeak.jpg?ex=69860a65&is=6984b8e5&hm=7c816cf47d0101a3ed8ecb738238d99a8305443de743054c599138f96032c517

[steady escarp]

#1491558837088424149 message not me crashing out

[stray canyon]

stinky vouivre

[boreal oriole]

floating robots tossing bombs

[somber mango]

thanks btw, you reminded me that i completely forgot about her quest lmao

gotta definitely remember to play it before the next patch

have been crashing out on endfield so much, that i was afraid that my bad mood will cause me to press skip every opportunity lmao

[hearty star]

arknights slopfield

[empty flint]

can anyone share out of bounds Zipline in wuling? thanks in advance

[hearty star]

we love arknight enfeld!

[toxic osprey]

So because children play with dangerous stuff we are ok to inflicted some trauma to them?, but yeah actually I would be more than willing to play villain and wreck havoc to take that sample back (no harm to children for the sake of snowflake)

But I don't really care about the whole quest much... My impression on Rossi quest is "not enough parenting"
I get that this quest is about Rossi being able to experience being a children for once but hmmmmm

Not enough

[hearty star]

yo bro why is the endmin playing roblox

[toxic osprey]

endmin is everywhere

[hearty star]

actually true

[jaunty venture]

Mining it causes oripathy
Untouched it's stable

(Least forget the whole area is literally a big originium crater. There'd be nowhere the kids wasn't in proximity to originium)

[jaunty venture]

What does "snowflake" have to do with not wanting to cause harm to children?

[toxic osprey]

you know what snowflake mean right?

[jaunty venture]

I know the loaded term it is that everyone use so it benefits them at the moment

[steady escarp]

No
Originium dust causes oripathy, and we see the cavern is full of it

[jaunty venture]

Which comes frooom?

[steady escarp]

the natural decomposition of Originium

[toxic osprey]

that's not an answer

[steady escarp]

how do you think it spreads naturally

[fresh carbon]

It's basically like asbestos

[jaunty venture]

So with your point it wouldn't even matter since the whole place is a full of it

Like, everywhere around them even outside the mine

[steady escarp]

yeah ? the place is full of originium dust
THAT IS THE ISSUE WITH ORIGINIUM
Issue that is completely sidelined by Perlica : "Don't worry about it endmin"

[fresh carbon]

Endmin has nothing to worry about since they're a living originium being

So we're perfectly fine, in our element even

[steady escarp]

But the game showing it's okay for children to play in a place full of CONCENTRATED dust is just disrespect to the lore

[steady escarp]

thats not the point?
Endmin was questioning if spreading originium everywhere was really alright, because it causes oripathy
And Perlica's answer was "don't worry about it endmin" end ends the conversation here

[fresh carbon]

The dangers of originium are severely downplayed now that it's treatable basically like diabetes

[steady escarp]

I'll quote Perlica : "Oripathy is the same it ever was" during one of the sidequests

And as far as we can see, not everyone as access to the treatment

[fresh carbon]

Capitalism, innit? Reminds me of some "rich" country's health system

Create the problem, sell the "solution"

[steady escarp]

Its not a question of capitalism, its a question of the writing making no sense

Endfield didnt create the solution

[fresh carbon]

Rhodes did, and still incomplete

I know

Story is all over the damn place

[steady escarp]

The issue here is the writing making no fucking sense

[fresh carbon]

I get that they wanted to brighten the story up a bit compared to OG, but at this point a lot of stuff gets so watered down we get some serious question marks

[toxic osprey]

well they only stop it from being contagious person to person down to by contact from natural way
and even if you have one the band have suppressant

but originium is not only problem of endfield writing

[fresh carbon]

It wasn't contagious in the first place, only at the very end when the infected succumbs to the crystals and their body starts getting engulfed by the originium

[toxic osprey]

yeah and become dust afterward

which make people in OG who don't know how originium actually spread fear it

or even if they know they don't know how to prevent it

survival training is not even a challenge bruh

i can just shut down my brain and clear

[steady escarp]

Then dont fucking call it Arknights

[steady escarp]

I do wonder if licking the stones would be contagious tho
(AKA : can you kiss Lyudmila without getting infected?)

But yeah, it's WAY too watered down

#1491558837088424149 message Like I said there, we see another exemple of the game trying as hard as possible to not have a perfect MC so the self insert can work

[toxic osprey]

is that originium or popsicle wth

[steady escarp]

(and well perfect... that is a big word... as "nicest human being" means endmin has terrible flaws when it comes to having responsabilities)

[steady escarp]

Well, Lyudmila has her cristals inside her mouth, so kissing her means licking the stones

[toxic osprey]

yeah but if the originium melt and dissolve just by licking them we would have liquid originium by now

wait

do we?

[steady escarp]

we do

[toxic osprey]

where did it even mention in the story i probably didn't read that part

[steady escarp]

Chapter 16, although it is unrelated to licking, we HAVE liquid originium

[toxic osprey]

15?

[steady escarp]

16*

[toxic osprey]

ah shit i didn't read 16 yet

[steady escarp]

oopsie

well the event for chapter 16 ends today, so go do it now

[toxic osprey]

?

isn't it already end?

[steady escarp]

oh yeah only the shop ends

my bad

[toxic osprey]

i clear the whole chapter but stuck at H16-3

just didn't have mood to read story yet

wait no i didn't stuck

H16-2 drain me and i forgot to keep playing

[steady escarp]

but yeah if you dont mind spoiler

||Liquid originium is called Oka, and it's a result of Originium losing its energy properties (and possibly information storage properties). This happened for unkown reasons in the Far North mines of Ursus, where all originium disappeared to be replaced by "Oka"
Oka still is dangerous tho, as it can still mutate whatever it comes into close contact with, and severly worsens oripathy cases||

but yeah, it's not related to licking it tho

[toxic osprey]

Oka? y?

[steady escarp]

just Oka

[fresh carbon]

How long 'till Xyranite becomes Originium 2: Electric Boogalloo ?

[toxic osprey]

sound like Blight

[steady escarp]

I mean

Originium and blight do have similar effects

they spread and mutate things

[toxic osprey]

make people wanna lick them?

cough

[steady escarp]

I'm only asking to know if it's safe to kiss that readhead, m'okay ?

The CS bullying never stops btw, even in the canon now

[fresh carbon]

CS is seriously underrated

[steady escarp]

I mean
She's rather a bad unit, with the current meta perspective where everyone and their mother can kill a whole army

and before her module she was just bad

but if you play in a more "hey, I have 12 slots squad, so I can use strategies" way, she does offer a useful stalling ability

[toxic osprey]

CS being one of the worst executor in meta perspective but good enough for free unit imo

[fresh carbon]

I generally prefer figuring out the puzzle to solve a stage instead of Just Surtr It™

Finding the solution instead of brute force

[steady escarp]

What is sad, is Chalteralter being able to do what CS WANTS to do with her S3

(aka : the invulnerability teleport attack)

[steady escarp]

Why do you think I've dumped Wisadel out of my team

[toxic osprey]

Just Surtr it behavior for me atm is GG LAPPY YU

just close my eyes after activate their skill

[steady escarp]

It was kinda my strategy for ch16 boss tbh

although

now that I think about it, I'm not even sure I used Yu

just because of deployment limit

[toxic osprey]

Yu just give extra chunk of elemental damage

you don't need him

[steady escarp]

actually now that I think about it, I think the "big work" was done by Leizi alter against the boss

I gotta say, this boss' instant kill ability was quite annoying

[toxic osprey]

tbh 16 boss is easier to deal with than that unga bunga mangler beast

[steady escarp]

really

I had no issue with unga bunga mangler beast

[toxic osprey]

well her instant kill is old mechanic so we know how to deal with it

[steady escarp]

beat it like second or third try after I figured out how it worked

[toxic osprey]

H16-2?

[steady escarp]

I may have skipped playing some chapters due to long break of the game, so for me it was new

how do you deal with it

[toxic osprey]

i guess we can just tank the beast it just H16-2 beast is extra ungabunga

and rip my tank with 4 heal on her in no time

for some reason

[steady escarp]

no but with my method, the bear couldnt even land a hit

[toxic osprey]

what did you use?

mostima?

[steady escarp]

perma stalling

nah, a mix of decel/binder (suzuran in this case), and fast redeploy units+CS to stun

[toxic osprey]

he really get stun?

[steady escarp]

in normal form (story) he is not immune at least

[toxic osprey]

i mean it didn't have stun imunity but when i deploy texalter S3 he just slap her face instanly

[steady escarp]

the purpose is just to let him redirect

he targets whoever damaged it the last

so just make sure he is permanently attacked by two different units

[toxic osprey]

but well i brute force with Ulpianus

huh he change his target?

i'll have to try again

[jaunty venture]

The issue here is that you find it weird the children are next to the originium, I'm saying that they would be no matter where they'd go in the origin lodespring area, which their family lives in, so why would that detract from the writing in this case?

Perlica's "don't worry about it" has nothing to do with that?

[steady escarp]

he does

wanna see my run ?

oh wait there isnt VC in this server...

[jaunty venture]

She doesn't even mention it there, in fact.

There are vc channels

[hearty star]

they didn't really need to really.. had they make akef just og ak but 3d, it would've helped with the longevity of the game

[steady escarp]

I find it problematic that the game shows its okay for the kids to play in CONCENTRATED DUST AREAS, there is a big difference with playing outside, where there is little to no dust if you stay far from originium clusters, and inside a CAVERN FULL OF IT

[jaunty venture]

What's the answer then?
You just responded to a question with a question, so I'm not sure what your point is

[fresh carbon]

100% agreed

[toxic osprey]

• i mean do you know what it's mean by the way i'm using it
  and by that it's mean overly sensitive people

[steady escarp]

It has. It just shows how inconsistent is the writing about originium. and how we cannot be the bad guys in any way too

[steady escarp]

they cant be used

[toxic osprey]

i can once and now lock again

idk why

[steady escarp]

mods probably figured out than when you let "the crowd" of gacha players in, you also let in the trolls and morons in, so they dont want to manage it

[toxic osprey]

at this point endfield writing is very consistent
we are the good guy and world is filled with lavender field and rainbow

happy happy happy

[steady escarp]

it's very consistantly bad yeah

[jaunty venture]

I get that is your point. I'm saying it doesn't make a big difference if we want to expand on it given the exact environment.

I'm not trying to say HG isn't being poor on their environmental storytelling, I've critiqued as much in #lore-room . But I rather that they are thought through reasons rather than striving to extract a problem for the sake of it.

[jaunty venture]

#vc-guidelines

[steady escarp]

exactly, they had a solid and loyal fanbase with AK's fanbase, and just the sheer visibility of the game would have made it grow

and its uniqueness would have made it succeed

[toxic osprey]

try to create one

you just can't

[steady escarp]

what is your point? IT IS LOCKED, YOU DONT SEE THE LOCK ?

[jaunty venture]

Yea so it's what I said it was. Why did you respond as if I didn't then.
So now that we know you mean the same, what's snowflake about not wanting to immediately go to harming children?

[toxic osprey]

well, I don't think children getting harm in fiction is disturbing?

[steady escarp]

because apparently for those taking the decisions about the story, having a MC hurt childrens by stoping abruptly their game when it is about THEIR LITERAL safety, it is disturbing

[toxic osprey]

if it's part of the plot and help deepening the world building anything is good

[steady escarp]

and probably people who want to self insert in endmin couldnt bear with the fact endmin hurts children

[jaunty venture]

It's not about if it's disturbing, it's about if it's the wrong thing to do?
You're suggesting the way we try to solve it is immediately harming the children

[toxic osprey]

i said no children were harm it just endmin wreck havoc?

not physically harm.......

[steady escarp]

oh yeah, preventing them from playing with basically an uranium bar is harming them

[jaunty venture]

It's disruptive, not disturbing

[steady escarp]

I dont see how it is disruptive
It is just the CORRECT thing to do

[jaunty venture]

So aren't we being worse people by not doing so. So we can be written as the bad guy

[steady escarp]

If you see your kid playing with a loaded gun, are you gonna try to barter with them to retrieve it or stop them by force

[toxic osprey]

i don't see the point of endmin playing along with children by being a good guy in their eyes is neccessary

[jaunty venture]

So with that logic, it's not disturbing and then have nothing to do with "snowflake people" yea?

[steady escarp]

no. The game portrays endmin as this "nice person that takes care of the children"

[jaunty venture]

I was making a joke

[steady escarp]

and yet that is the final product we have

A product that catters to even snowflakes

[fresh carbon]

"A game for everyone is a game for no one" - Arrowhead

[steady escarp]

I just noticed I've been banging to Ch16 soudntrack for the last 10 minutes without noticing lol

[steady escarp]

exactly

HG's mistake was to call that game Arknights and NOT making it an arknights game

[fresh carbon]

Based

[steady escarp]

I wouldnt have issues with endfield's story being bad if it wasnt sold to me as an Arknights title

[jaunty venture]

(no harm to children for the sake of snowflakes)
You implied that the only reason we don't harm them is to cater to people who'd you ascribe as snowflakes. If you don't understand my point I think you might need to read up on exactly how loaded and misused that term is for the sake of meaning offense

[toxic osprey]

we can playalong and be a bad guy then snatch the dangerous stuff from them

[steady escarp]

No expectations, no disillusions

[toxic osprey]

uh so you mean i misused it?

[steady escarp]

Arknights is just based

[steady escarp]

tbh, now that I think about it, I have a hard time remembering any of EF soundtrack

while most of AK's just stick with me

[fresh carbon]

[jaunty venture]

If your point isn't to make a snarky comment on that harming children shouldn't be seen as bad, then yea it's not a good term to use

[jaunty venture]

Ah shit wrong forward. I wanted the one that included the link to the interview

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1pkv8xc/in_an_interview_done_by_denfaminicogamer_lowlight/

[toxic osprey]

well yes as i said harming children in fiction is not bad?

[jaunty venture]

So I ask, why is your point to immediately take that route?

[fresh carbon]

Stop sounding like an American

[steady escarp]

well, that side of EF's story about uncovering the "truth" of the world surely doesnt show. So far, the only truth we discovered, is that bad guys are bad guys, and good guys are good guys
And before you say anything like "maybe it will come after", a good writing would already be foreshadowing it

[jaunty venture]

Why is that the first thought you had, rather than trying to find another why.
Why is the absence of harming children a snowflake reasoning?

[steady escarp]

OH YEAH TELL ME ABOUT IT

[toxic osprey]

to make a snarky comment on that harming children shouldn't be seen as bad
is this not what I did?
idk man

[jaunty venture]

There's been quite a few broader concepts but yes it's still very early on.

I'm not saying these things to absolve HG of critique. Rather expand the perspective and ensure the critique is sound

[toxic osprey]

what do you even try to gain from this conversation

to tell me i misused snow flake word?
to understand my thought process?
or anything else?

[steady escarp]

Whenever ef tries to bring in deeper concept, someone ruins it

"isnt it bad to spread originium?"
"dont worry about it Endmin"
"But why does the stockade hate Wuling so much?
"Dont worry about it Chen"

I mean, when you are litteraly dealing with an uprising, I guess UNDERSTANDING THE CAUSES IS IMPORTANT ?

(shitty causes btw)

becaues the reason Stockade hates wuling is...because they blame it for the blight accident from 10 years ago

with no facts to back it up

they just think "they caused it on purpose"

Wuling did nothing wrong

[jaunty venture]

First contest your implication that it's a snowflake take that we shouldn't try to harm.the children.
Then that if that isn't your take, that the term is not a constructive word to ever use given how (politically) loaded it is and often denotes intent to sow unnecessary discord purely for the sake of offending people.
Then just understand if that was your intent or that you were misguided in the term

[toxic osprey]

well as for this question if you are not overly sensitive are you gonna have any problem with any harm done to children(or animal or whatever individual) in fiction?

damn it my router is probably broken

my internet is down every 10-15min. now

[steady escarp]

It could have been more interesting to have Wuling abandon the stockade to fend for themselves because they couldnt afford to, as a way to save their own population. There, there would be a VALID reason for hatred, and room for mending the relationship that is more deep than "oopsie, it was just a misunderstanding, lets forget it all lol"

[toxic osprey]

and my isp said they just finish fixing my cable

[fresh carbon]

Bad weather?

[steady escarp]

BUT NOOO
Again
The good guys CANNOT do anything that would look even remotely evil

[toxic osprey]

nope no rain nothing

just heat

[toxic osprey]

so you think it's bad that I mock snowflake people? my bad then

[fresh carbon]

In AK we were the good guys, researching a cure, helping the infected
In Endfield we're the "good" guys, advancing technology at all costs

[toxic osprey]

well mocking is bad in general i can understand that

[jaunty venture]

Blight incident 20 years ago, which Da Pan's files gives some more perspective on how it sowed disdain even within Wuling. Which both stockade and wuling was hit hard by, but stockade struggles even more to recover from as they don't have outside sources to help like HAS does. Tianshi is shown as taking the full intented blame of it and want to try to help Stockade out since it, but Stockade refuses.
The killing of Ryan Yi's father 10 years ago, which both tianshi and stockade feel bad about, and Tianshi feeling even more guilty over, as noted in both manuscripts and Tangtang's file.

[jaunty venture]

I don't think you have to be overly sensitive to consider it a bad solution to harm children?

[toxic osprey]

in fiction?

[fresh carbon]

Not everything is black and white
Start seeing some color, you can have a good story with and without people getting harmed

[jaunty venture]

Even in fiction yes.
I don't mind it being an option in stuff like Skyrimg etc. But I think writing someone to see it okay to use the harming of them as a solution paints them in a bad light no?
Why does not wanting Endmin doing that constitute someone being a snowflake?

[toxic osprey]

then this is my take right?

[jaunty venture]

So because children play with dangerous stuff we are ok to inflicted some trauma to them?, but yeah actually I would be more than willing to play villain and wreck havoc to take that sample back (no harm to children for the sake of snowflake)

This is your take

[toxic osprey]

yeah that too

[jaunty venture]

So why is the only solution in your head that Endmin becomes a villain and hurts them?
Just so they can be written as not purely good?

[toxic osprey]

where in it that i said endmin hurt them?

ok stop

i think i get it now

[fresh carbon]

He's the kind to read between non-existent lines

[toxic osprey]

I hate typing on phone... But my internet could go down again any moment

[fresh carbon]

Arknights story was good because it didn't shy away from these kinds of topics

[toxic osprey]

.....................

[jaunty venture]

As I just said earlier. In the message just above you imply the only reason not to do so is for the sake of snowflakes.
And when I ask why not, your only answer is "I don't think it's bad to do in fiction".- reinforcing that's the action you'd want to take?

Why does harm have to be a part of it? Wouldn't it be nuanced enough to do it in ways that don't necessitate it?

[toxic osprey]

and that's why i hate typing on phone

sorry for wrong mention

[fresh carbon]

If you can't differentiate fiction from reality...

[jaunty venture]

You're the kind of person who instead of engaging in the topic writes snarky comments on the sideline that doesn't add anything.

I got nothing against nuance, display of 'necessary evil' etc topics that Arknights revel in.
I'm pushing on the concept that we immediately go at harming the children, and that it's considered inherently a snowflake take if you wouldn't want them harmed

[toxic osprey]

i didn't said we have to harm children i just add the last () to ensure that there were no harm for people who can't "differentiate fiction from reality"

[fresh carbon]

God this is why I hate westerners

[jaunty venture]

This is nothing about westener or reality from fiction.
You're the one adding shit between lines

[fresh carbon]

And you're the one getting offended by a take on fictional media

[toxic osprey]

[jaunty venture]

Where am I offended?

[toxic osprey]

anyway i said my word and that's my point up there It's on you now if you gonna believe it or not

[jaunty venture]

Why are you assuming there's an offense to disagreeing, or wanting to discuss it?
Aren't you the one seeing black and white now? Have a discussion instead of acting smug over nothing

[toxic osprey]

cuz i deal with some people who jump in my conversation
and insult me just because they misunderstand what i trying to say in this server before

[fresh carbon]

I'll have a discussion if I see the other person sees reason instead of arguing the same point over and over, not accepting another opinion

[toxic osprey]

not you btw you jump in with question and asking for clarification

[grand prawn]

Bruh

[jaunty venture]

So you're arguing against yourself now, and just taking offense because you wanted to?
Me and Milo are literally progressing and ensuring we understand each other. You inject with useless drivel that helps no one.

Isn't exactly good writing stuff that causes us to reflect on stuff that could happen in reality?
Isn't the reason we like Arknights because it reflects such nuances and evils in a fiction that can cause us to consider it without the emotional weight?
Isn't the reason we critique Endfield because it exactly lacks on that?

This is also why I dislike the term "snowflake". It quickly weponises the discourse and causes people like Max to appear

[fresh carbon]

It sounded like you were critiquing Endfield because you didn't want it to go into those kinds of darker areas of worldbuilding

If I misunderstood, I'm sorry about that

I want the game to have a solid story, even if some subjects might be controversial

[jaunty venture]

I want the story to be good with it, not have it just to have it.
It still has to make sense in the moment.
That's why I'm if anything more critical about critique than people praising it.
If people like the thing, good for them.
If people dislike it, I'd rather discuss it to ensure I understand either a perspective I don't see, or that it makes coherent sense and not just painted by a general dislike

[toxic osprey]

still tho children be able to escape from
Bonekrusher completely unharmed and even some of bonekrusher fall for children trap is-

[steady escarp]

10 or 20 my point still stands

[steady escarp]

and dont get me started on the death of ruan yi's father

No way, when you attack people, THEY DEFEND THEMSELVES

"People die when they are killed" moment

[jaunty venture]

The wuling blight incident and stockade killing is already a step towards better. While unfortunate that some is retained to files rather than fully projected in the plot, I know well enough that's a compromise of development resources. I can still want them to push to show more, while trying to understand current reason.

[toxic osprey]

but yeah we wait for 1.2

1.1 could be finished written before feedback for all we know

[grand prawn]

Could?

It was finished before 1.0

[toxic osprey]

yeah

[fresh carbon]

The fact that the wuling/stockade incident 10yrs ago happened because the Stockade attacked a Wuling City transport during all the blight stuff, then they're the ones gunning for revenge is really damn stupid as I see it

[toxic osprey]

but i have no way to know that for sure they might make adjustment or anything

[jaunty venture]

They'd done scuffles over it multiple times before. Wuling had loosely allowed/understood it due to their guilt over the incident that causes Stockade to be in that situation.
Wuling want to help, but Stockade won't accept it. This was a way for them to do so.
Part of the secret channel they established to give resources to Stockade without them knowing.

[toxic osprey]

hmm but we did saw some scene from 1.1 since lauch right?

[grand prawn]

The real way to know is if it was voiced

[jaunty venture]

Is it written in a way that tells it well? Nah I think it fumbles to properly display the nuance. But they are trying

[grand prawn]

Also the thing released that talked about 1.1 stuff was recorded before 1.0 dropped

[toxic osprey]

huh?

[jaunty venture]

Yea were still not out of "pre-launch" content development fully yet

[grand prawn]

Or at least a week or two into 1.0

The video where light or w/e his name is talked about Endfield

[toxic osprey]

which one is that?

[grand prawn]

It had 1.1 content in it, and was prerecorded

[toxic osprey]

about 1.1 update and how they react to feedback?

[grand prawn]

Yeah

That was maybe a week into 1.0 I think

[toxic osprey]

i know it's prerecorded but where do you get info about it's recoreded pre 1.0

[jaunty venture]

The team still is gonna adjust their development process to a post-launch dev cycle. Most feedback about story and bigger things won't be seen until probably half a year after release at the least.

[fresh carbon]

I believe we won't get any story direction changes for now, not until we get out of wuling anyway

[jaunty venture]

All of wuling story is to some degree already written and developed. Not as easy to adjust based on feedback

[toxic osprey]

yeah that's why 2.0 is my limit of me keeping up with endfield

if the game didn't really show improvement I'll just say good bye to the game

[fresh carbon]

Such a damn shame, they should've went the Ex Astris way with the story
Just a complete parallel, somewhere else in the same universe

[toxic osprey]

never try ex astris

is it good?

[jaunty venture]

That's again because Wuling want to help, and Stockade are the ones refusing it and now being stuck in the hate over first the incident 20 years ago, and then 10 years ago.
Stockade was in Wuling ever since ~year 17 after the humiliation war. HAS appeared in the last 30 years iirc (don't remember exactly) and I can see how Stockaders could perceive them as making it worse since, not knowing the circumstances prior.

[fresh carbon]

Though ExA's looking like it's on the chopping block, barely even getting bugfixes
The game still doesn't even have controller support

[jaunty venture]

It could be written better, but I don't think the concept is entirely bewildering

[fresh carbon]

Honestly it's just okay
While current endfield is meh

[toxic osprey]

hmm

[fresh carbon]

Though the endfield combat system is basically ExA's but made for real-time instead of turn-based
ExA combat is more E33-like

Being only playable on a touchscren is what made me stop playing it halfway through, the puzzles and story were okay

Not much handholding either

[toxic osprey]

i think the concept of endfield is not bad at all
but how they censoring sensitive stuff and make story telling
into some kids show is where all problem lies

[jaunty venture]

Least forget that Stockade has lost a lot of their knowledge on how their own shit works, likely both because of passage of time and the blight incident. Tech that was created by tanshi (although I don't personally think that's that big a deal, I assume that to be more culturally important)

[steady escarp]

I dont care about that, the fact is, the reason for the events is just stupid

[toxic osprey]

sadly ExA don't have PC port yet

[steady escarp]

"Hey, You defended when I attacked, I want revenge !"

[toxic osprey]

i would love to buy and try it if it even have steam version

[jaunty venture]

I hope the V4 rewrite to make it less violent close to launch is not something that is gonna be mirrored after yea.

[jaunty venture]

Those are the reasons.

[fresh carbon]

And it's unlikely it'll ever have one

[steady escarp]

kids show reasons

[fresh carbon]

Exactly like what?

You got your ass beaten as you were raiding them

[steady escarp]

really a "people die when they are killed" moment

[fresh carbon]

Both sides had heavy losses due to the blight events

[steady escarp]

no shit, you attacked them, you attacked TIANSHIS, people renowed for their MASTERY OF ARTS
And you act "surprised pikachu face" when they defend themselves ?

[jaunty venture]

I think your dislike about it is making you ignore the nuance.
It's fine to still dislike it - there are plenty ways to - but your reasons are poor

[steady escarp]

but stockade decided to act like like kids and blame it entirely on wuling for....reasons ?

[steady escarp]

what nuance ?

[jaunty venture]

Exactly

[steady escarp]

There is no nuance in this game

[fresh carbon]

There's either a huge chunk of the story that's missing, explaining their actual reasoning
Or the writing in that part is just that bad

[toxic osprey]

we actually have nuance it's just so shallow people have to think extra hard to notice

[steady escarp]

exactly what?
also my reasons for dislike the story are poor? wanting a story that doesnt take me for a 10 years old that can't handle grey morality is a poor reason ?

wanting a story that stays coherent within itself is poor reason ? (lets not even talk about how incoherent it is with OG, despite what HM says)

[jaunty venture]

A lot of it gets relegated to operator files, investigations and manuscripts outside of the plot. Crucial stuff that really should be displayed in plot

[steady escarp]

you have to dig through files and archives to find traces of it, it shouldnt be that way

archives should deepen the lore and world building. not actually construct it

and even then, a lot of it is just speculation

[toxic osprey]

yeah that is the main problem, why leave it out

[jaunty venture]

Rossi's signature weapon gives us more lore insight than her whole operator story or most of her file

[jaunty venture]

Development resources

Is the unfortunate truth

[toxic osprey]

funny genshin did the same thing to their game
and is the reason why many people compare this game to genshin

while most people just compare this game to genshin without that reason anw

[fresh carbon]

What really grinds my gears
They handhold way too much when it's not needed, and not when it's actually needed
Like the balancing is way off

[toxic osprey]

hand holding is not only endfield problem tho

it's modern game problem

[fresh carbon]

Yeah but it's getting quite extreme

[toxic osprey]

sad

[jaunty venture]

From what I've understood it's also a new writing team for Endfield. So I hope that the tumultuous development stuff and the rewrite passes have had impact, in a way where they notably improve onwards.
They've acknowledged that writing story for a 3D gacha is very different than the VN in the interview i posted earlier (I find that obvious but a lot of people seem oblivious to that fact in their critique and comparisons), so they can't just easily translate it over

[fresh carbon]

Like I get some people might get stuck at some points
Just different ways of thinking
But that's why you also got the community

[toxic osprey]

i guess they really don't have enough resource for doing all the stuff they wanted to write in 3D

but they got some big launch money and probably stable revenue right?

we can expect improvement?

AHHH

BUG ON MY KEYBOARD

[jaunty venture]

Another factor is that it's a mobile game at the end of the day. That impacts how hard they can make things in terms of balance, as they will adhere to the lowest common denominator and average skill.

Hopefully they aren't too scared of difficulty as a result of Arknights which apparently is generally considered really hard. Hopefully they interpret that to be because of people not being as accustomed to the genre

[fresh carbon]

Or more like they focused too much on the 3D and forgot to balance the budget with the other important parts of the game

[fresh carbon]

Kill that mofo

[fresh carbon]

Hopefully

[toxic osprey]

i lure it on my tissue paper and release it already

just when i type those i have to avoid it while typing

[fresh carbon]

Though not until wuling's done anyway

[toxic osprey]

yeah i don't put any expectation for story atm

gameplay?
it's fun but that's it

nothing to do is bigger problem

[fresh carbon]

Honestly you know what this feels like?
They either don't have the same people working on the project, or they haven't learned anything from AK's global release

[toxic osprey]

they 100% have different team working on the project

[fresh carbon]

But YoStar could also be at blame there, sheltering and hiding the issues

[toxic osprey]

i don't think the OG team can handle triple+ workload

[fresh carbon]

Yeah but it completely lost the direction

[toxic osprey]

yeah that's make me wonder what happen behind the scene

[fresh carbon]

Like it feels like people that have never interacted with AK are assigned to EF

[jaunty venture]

There are at least new people on the term. My understanding is that it's mostly new people.
Lowlight is acting director for it, but I don't know if he is focusing on it or both games

[fresh carbon]

The past few chapters of AK have been fucking amazing

[jaunty venture]

We looked into the interview before in #lore-room to try and understand the circumstances

[steady escarp]

pay 2 lore
wtf is that

fuck

wtf

[jaunty venture]

https://warfarin.wiki

[fresh carbon]

It's a mess

[jaunty venture]

I believe there's a way to read the weapon profiles without having them in-game, but I prefer the warf wiki either way

[steady escarp]

(let me just remind you that this whole crashout conversation was started by me asking if licking originium could give oripathy, because Lyudmila's stones are inside her mouth

[fresh carbon]

[steady escarp]

tho to be fair

[jaunty venture]

I was pulled away to work on stuff right as I initiated the discussion so I missed that I think

[steady escarp]

I'm very easy to make crash out about endfield writing

[fresh carbon]

Working right before Easter as well

Some idiot decided to do a deploy in prod the last working day before (orthodox) Easter and here I fucking am

How about we stop arguing and we all agree on something this time?

[steady escarp]

give the poor girl some love

even in the canon she cant catch a break

[steady escarp]

And Vigna has neither of them

[fresh carbon]

[hearty star]

wait did they switch the storywriter roster?

[jaunty venture]

If you mean switch as in a different team than who work on Arknights then that is my understanding yes

[hearty star]

ig that explains the lukewarm story

[steady escarp]

oh, Red Hood spooked me

[jaunty venture]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/6tgv3AiCEw

Feels like this might be good context in regards to the discussion

I don't read Korean so I don't know the exact wording, but as I recall they did mention 1.1 was gonna be considered a smaller patch in the devlog

[steady escarp]

imagine having the first patch be a filler patch

[toxic osprey]

good meme can make up for lack of redact
but redact can't be make up for good meme

Vigna's "FBI open up!" will always stay in my heart.
Milo.-2026

[jaunty venture]

That's not unusual

Game launch takes a lot

I'd be surprised if you find many cases of the opposite—big content drops shortly after release

[fresh carbon]

As someone who's worked at one point in Game QA & Development
That's a lot more common than you'd think
Day-1/Week-1 patches are only bugfixes for game breaking shit, anything in the first half year is filler so people don't leave the game as fast, and only after that you get some extra good stuff, depending on studio and if you're lucky enough for the game to not be basically abandoned yet

It was hell

[toxic osprey]

live service sound like hell

with so many competitor and so many new game coming out each month

[hearty star]

the broadcast will either go really smoothly or really poorly

no in between

[jaunty venture]

Eh, I think it can be just fine without great or poor

But I'm not waiting for the game to crash so they have a justified out as many people seem

If I wasn't enjoying it I'd just stop

[placid shuttle]

second time this channel was actually used to hold an extended discussion

[steady escarp]

it was the original purpose

[placid shuttle]

yeah

[boreal oriole]

?

[grand prawn]

Let's Game It Out, the guy who made the belt tornado now brings us the body stairs

[somber mango]

yep. and people still defended it

[rustic rune]

Ayooo i got to an intraversible place 😭

shared ziplines gooo

over here

[fresh carbon]

How do you power that shit like is there even enough room for both a zipline and a pylon on one of those kites?

[rustic rune]

only xiranite pylon

yeah there's enough space

[rustic rune]

WOW the bombing stage was actually fun 😭

[toxic osprey]

That braindead stage of actually just spam bomb?

Yeah it was fun until I shut my brain off and decided to aim at one spot and spam

But both stage is alright I just have frustration because my internet yesterday was super shitty and I lost connection 4-5 time while playing both stage

[grand prawn]

I see what you mean, with lag the bomb one would be awful

[pure pagoda]

i could confirm this, probably it takes 4 year just to reach 900k

[rustic rune]

spamming bomb is fun

u don't get to do that m it goes battle mode

[grand prawn]

Honestly the hardest part was the dogs

I almost let the first wave of them past because of how fast they were and I didn't expect it

Kinda reminded me of the first Resident Evil game

You fight a bunch of super slow zombies and then suddenly dogs

[torn urchin]

they did stop after running for a while tho, like tired or sum

[grand prawn]

I managed to get the first wave with a barrel

So I didn't see that part

[torn urchin]

oh

[blazing urchin]

122k

Spare some oroberyls for the rest of us

[blazing urchin]

Bro can hit pitty twice

[toxic osprey]

3D hound pro i like

oh wait you didn't play OG

[toxic osprey]

daily and weekly alone we get 99k per year

which not much

[blazing urchin]

Plus occasional 25 oroberyl you get from credit shop, which approximately 100/week

[toxic osprey]

unreliable but okay

[blazing urchin]

It ain't much, but it still contribute to your pulls currency

[toxic osprey]

normally people would get 0-75 depend on the day

and there is small amount from battle pass

[blazing urchin]

I ain't visiting friends place for those credit, too lazy

[toxic osprey]

fraction

[toxic osprey]

friend ship only give you 350 more

i only jump on friend ship if i reroll and i don't have enough to buy

[blazing urchin]

Yea, most of the time it's enough to buy one more items from shop

[toxic osprey]

without friend ship you should beable to reroll around 3times a day

[blazing urchin]

That's considering you started clue exchange and do deliveries, which both I don't do

[toxic osprey]

if people aren't lazy we also get bonus 280 each month from daily login which.............even less amount

[toxic osprey]

then that's on you

[blazing urchin]

20 daily login

[toxic osprey]

and the whole reason why i drop the shop oro in the first place since it's unreliable source

exploration is also unreliable source since we don't know how many we get per update

[grand prawn]

Technically, you could get 900k right now

Just gotta whale 😄

[tight thicket]

Mario come pick up your Yoshi

[pure pagoda]

Correct

[pure pagoda]

I play it cuz i wanted to learn Resource Managing

[blazing urchin]

Have you ever pull anyone?

[somber mango]

you played cos you wanted to waste resources 🥀

[opaque pivot]

<@&956153874383781928> sry for ping tho

[grand prawn]

Is that a scam?

[blazing urchin]

<@&956153874383781928> <@&956086618924650536>

Tq

[worthy fossil]

please don't ping any moderators

you are only annoying them

[opaque pivot]

who else do we ping for deleting scams?

[worthy fossil]

they get auto deleted by the bean channel

also use the modmail

if need be

[opaque pivot]

I dont think the auto detection is fast tho

I was such a scam for around 10 hours once

[placid shuttle]

pinging mods is perfectly fine

[pine coral]

Hi, ping are fine when the Auto mod doesn't delete the scam messages upon banning, which was the case

[worthy fossil]

Fair enough

i don't like receiving a million pings at once

in the wuwa server as mod

[placid shuttle]

wouldn't say it's necessary to ping multiple times though

[pine coral]

I don't either but it's part of the job

[pine coral]

More than once it's considered spam but also many just do @mods and forget the blue names

[worthy fossil]

we have a randomizer system for that

the mod who had no pings yet gets blasted on our server

EQUAL WORK FOR ALL

[flint ice]

[boreal oriole]

[pure pagoda]

Use free ticket, yes free gilberta

[somber mango]

@pine coral

since you are here

[tight thicket]

Goddamit people still being gullible to scammers

[somber mango]

alrighty, maybe tevi isnt here :D

[somber mango]

not originally a bot btw

bro just clicked on smth and lost his acc 🥀

[tight thicket]

I know it’s not a bot
I was referring to their inability to not avoid scams

[fresh carbon]

yeah just people clicking on random links and logging in on every site

[tight thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-these-people-idiots-will-be-death-of-me-gif-17217049

[stray canyon]

coaxed into a rugpull

[opaque pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-gif-10010192375921110151

is this real?

[stray canyon]

yes I got a Qingbillion wuling credits from Mr. Fowlbeast's crypto, trust ™

[opaque pivot]

@worthy fossilsry for ping but how long do we guess this will be here without pinging a mod? XD

well mod got pinged already but still XD

[somber mango]

GIMME LINK! I WANT FREE MANI

[worthy fossil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/anime-frieren-spinning-QtZSl6mcqfmvCBI2cb

A ping i see cometh

I cameth here to confirm

[jaunty venture]

better to flag the message itself through the app

[somber mango]

did it an hour ago, its still there :D

usually takes 2-3 hours here

[hearty star]

how much they paying the hackers for ts

[jaunty venture]

the site is a fake

it's to try and get your credit card info

and other personal information

[stray canyon]

this guy

he sent me 8 clue 7s

[dapper nova]

She wants to

[worthy fossil]

Climb you

[dapper nova]

I have the urge to pick a pencil and draw this scene

[worthy fossil]

Sounds like a perfect idea

[lofty vault]

#artist-studio lets see it

[dapper nova]

+1 motivation

[grand prawn]

Do it

[blazing urchin]

Do it

[hearty star]

6 hrs and 30 mins left

[pure pagoda]

Test4Block

[royal sierra]

1300% 😲

[blazing urchin]

.allin

[leaden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1487161512144408837/jr2xxrs.png?ex=69c82296&is=69c6d116&hm=f3d753f5f36591c36ee852d059da788a4d2bf7a68158e239f3c1b9e7a1830549&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=640&height=640

[blazing urchin]

.dump

[leaden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929401293377577/he-bought-v0-xr0k05p7u92g1.png?ex=691ff194&is=691ea014&hm=23556644f228e8a04b70be8ec7172442b5e26952308f2dad2668b548183f0c92&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=610&height=593

[royal sierra]

i've never seen sub-400 and i get 367 on the same day there's a 5200

insanity

[pure pagoda]

6 Day? Hmm....

i see this as Filler patch

🥀

[tight thicket]

Isn’t it coming after Rossi banner ends though?

[toxic osprey]

4 days....

this is why i hate time gate event

[stable bear]

Forces you to stay around

[toxic osprey]

yeah

retention farming 101

[hearty star]

timeslop

the hyperslop thickens

[grand prawn]

You dont ignore it until it's all unlocked?

That's what I do lol

[pure pagoda]

welll

[tight thicket]

Ah right Rossi is just a filler update because it’s a narrative story for a Operator than the main story

[worthy fossil]

Get rid of your FOMO

just don't give a damn

[grand prawn]

The real FOMO is the friends we made along the way

[hearty star]

friends of making out🔥

uh oh

[steady escarp]

crazy, looks like the story is again a very frowned upon flaw of the game
who could have guessed

[hearty star]

😭😭

i tried to pay attention to rossi's story but it's genuinely so hard to like it🥹💔

it's really not good

[worthy fossil]

you can always quit the game guys

[hearty star]

😐

[worthy fossil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-lasairfhiona-xC9MBUKCzUxjr9C9nu

[toxic osprey]

it's not fomo it's annoying i have to wait a days to clear whole event

i won't miss anything even if i skip it all and play on last day

shit fangyi before mi fu seriously?

[hearty star]

yea

what was the point of the character placements before the zeroth directive?

[toxic osprey]

idk

[hearty star]

it's whatevs, i have enough for zhuang

[pure pagoda]

Guess

i'll not elaborate in ZF ( Zhuang Fangyi )

saving my 130K