aic-factory

[ruby sorrel]

0 logistic pipes kinda suck in their own way tbh

[dreamy jungle]

You can probably optimize this, but someone else do it

[waxen elk]

Well manifold + logistic is still worse ahah

[ruby sorrel]

you can 0 logistics with manifold, they're just 1 protocol ea

just add 80m pipe in between

[polar island]

NOT WASTING MY PRECIOUS AIC SPACE for 300 per min xiranite i am fine with 240 xir per min

[shadow canopy]

Peak design

[solid quiver]

I mean you'd save around 20 if you used manifold, around 40 if you used conduit after replacing them with pipes

[tribal crescent]

you can place pumps through them btw

[dreamy jungle]

I only accept xiranite with included farm. But its just my style

[waxen elk]

Yeah thanks I’ll make it work

[ruby sorrel]

we only have 2wks left in patch? idr

[shadow canopy]

Yeah but to connect conduit u must put outside first then drag by 2d mode

[supple gust]

anyone has an Asia blueprint code for 30/min hetonite?

[solid quiver]

I prefep adding a logistics between 80 meters

[ruby sorrel]

wonder if I'll cap LC, otherwise I don't want to mess with making extra SC

[solid quiver]

those gonna be longest fortnight

[tribal crescent]

just play other things

[dreamy jungle]

Browse here https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1461542035617091681

[small creek]

fortnite

[shell hinge]

I don't distinguish between xircon effluent and inert effluent. I simply track the xircon effluent recipe as 1 sewage+1 xiranite = 1.25 xircon effluent

[solid quiver]

kinda bored of other games

[supple gust]

thank you

[tribal crescent]

such as

[solid quiver]

having urge to play shitty mobas or do some job

[tribal crescent]

go jobbing then

or play satisfactory

or play far cry 3

[paper magnet]

so anyone solved for the optimal use for all 12(?) forges yet?

[solid quiver]

mobile

[tribal crescent]

start gaming on pc then

real gaming thing

[tribal crescent]

10 xira + 2 heavy

[solid quiver]

wuwa genshin nte azur lane nikke ptn zzz pgr

[tribal crescent]

oh my god

[jovial breach]

[solid quiver]

I would if I had real pc

[tribal crescent]

start playing less fake games

[nova pilot]

[tribal crescent]

and play more real games instead

[paper magnet]

i like the sound of that

[tribal crescent]

with a real gaming machine

[solid quiver]

would start from beginning ofdmc or resident evil

[small creek]

does beat saber count

[tribal crescent]

^rich

[solid quiver]

arcade?

[waxen elk]

[tribal crescent]

nawr

ain't no way some hipper just said arcade

[nova pilot]

Play slot machines for the real gamba

[meager stream]

making hxira without purification unit, fix rate 6/m no clogged until full storage xD

[nova pilot]

.allin

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1487161512144408837/jr2xxrs.png?ex=69c82296&is=69c6d116&hm=f3d753f5f36591c36ee852d059da788a4d2bf7a68158e239f3c1b9e7a1830549&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=640&height=640

[solid quiver]

come on don't you play some arcade when you come to theater for movies

[tribal crescent]

i don't watch movies

[ruby sorrel]

impurehxira

[jovial breach]

Not using expanded crucible 💀

[tribal crescent]

oh right lmao

my guy just use 2 crucibles

real dedication

[craggy oyster]

i never played arcade before

[tribal crescent]

.clap

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461535111223967764/1504549989337006100/perliclap.gif?ex=6a0764de&is=6a06135e&hm=e58ea3860df88e41364ca501427b4b71385403f71d4955388733e0bff5377516&=&width=418&height=478

[tribal crescent]

is there a reason why you don't use expanded crucible

[daring rapids]

ayo I need to get that view

show me how to get there

[polar island]

highly recommend

[meager stream]

total 5 different liquids bro, remember that reactor only had 2 input 2 output pipes

[tribal crescent]

uh

[jovial breach]

💀

[tribal crescent]

yeah

[craggy oyster]

Running around the test area breaking box. pretty good loot

[tribal crescent]

and they can react in the same expanded crucible

it has 8 slots

output is still 2

[craggy oyster]

only if we dont get so much from the factory

[tribal crescent]

the xiranite liquid will immediately react with sewage to make eff and inert

you don't get any output of xiranite liquid

[polar island]

yk the enviro montoring station area , in wuling go from there there should be a bridge below which leads to some originium ore nodes and if you climb that small hill it should be there i think or somewhere arounf there not sure

[tribal crescent]

in fact if you don't map an output the liquid will just stay inside the crucbiel

even the small one

[meager stream]

but for longterm will be clogged xD

[tribal crescent]

what clog

you put in xiranite

and water

and sewage

output is inert and eff

[jovial breach]

It won't clog if you're not making xircon

[tribal crescent]

they react inside it

with the same ratio

[polar island]

yeah i just outputted the inert eff to purify then make eff to make hxir at 3 per min

[tribal crescent]

ew

[polar island]

whet

[tribal crescent]

purification

😡

bad

well

[polar island]

its such a useful thing though i dont need to waste the inert eff

[tribal crescent]

i just use 3 forges for heavy xira

[scenic mesa]

Funny how expanded reactor processing 2 different recipe at the same time but not same recipe at twice the time

[tribal crescent]

zzz

[polar island]

more products from the battery fact

[dense vapor]

Untrue.
Xircone produce an eff as a byproduct. Every two xircone produced, you get an extra eff stored. At some point, the mixer clogs.

[polar island]

bruv

thats such inefecciency (ik i spelled badly ik )

[tribal crescent]

as in 3 xira forge

lol

[tribal crescent]

he's trying to make eff for heavy xira

dude

[meager stream]

oh ya true, but i've made xircon in other pac

[tribal crescent]

it's not making xircon

[dense vapor]

Oh...My bad.

[tribal crescent]

nuh uh

[meager stream]

but will be unstable output rate & will need purification xD

[tribal crescent]

gets me 12 hxira/min

[tulip tinsel]

Smart, what do you produce other than syringes and batteries?

[tribal crescent]

a price one has to pay

but alas

[polar island]

why do you need 12/hxira

[tranquil condor]

and what pray tell are you doing with 12 hxira/min

[polar island]

3 is enough

[tribal crescent]

to sell

[meager stream]

heto component, its consume both 12/m hxira & heto part

[tribal crescent]

money is money

[tranquil condor]

batteries sell better than even heto part

just make some sc wuling batts and use those

[polar island]

i jst stockpile for heto compo

[tribal crescent]

heto part doesn't need hxira

heto comp uses hxira

[polar island]

i can perfectly sell battiries and yanzen syringes

[tranquil condor]

and you only need like ... 1 maybe 2k heto comps in total

thats if youre building a LOT of different teams

[tribal crescent]

yeah which is why i sell

[meager stream]

otw 82k

[small creek]

what i cant hear u from up here

[polar island]

i have like 6.4k heto comps im fine for now

[tranquil condor]

overkill what are you gonna use those for

[tribal crescent]

real inefficiency right here

[polar island]

and like 28k heto parts

[tribal crescent]

btw it's 52k/hr for both lvl3 outposts iirc

[polar island]

i can make more i just dont use em

[meager stream]

artificing gear 10000000x (jk hahah)

[tribal crescent]

you have to sacrifce some of that heto comp

[solid quiver]

someone abused bug in back 1.1 or 1.0 to deploy zipline and I replaced shared facility with mine

[polar island]

i dont know i just wanted to have 8k so i made 8k

[solid quiver]

hope it become shared facility in your map

[small creek]

59688

[ruby sorrel]

maybe I should abandon all comps again and use the extra 6 or 12 xira for >12hxira instead of being sane and doing more SC/LC

[small creek]

I am aware that making heto comp is losing me money

[tranquil condor]

we straight didnt have marker stone in 1.1

[tribal crescent]

you artifice with xira gear bro

[small creek]

But idgaf

[tribal crescent]

[solid quiver]

filthy ounce of jincao

[tribal crescent]

based

[meager stream]

[small creek]

I literally calcd this already

[daring rapids]

just share yours with me

[tribal crescent]

^thinks he smort

[solid quiver]

wdym? it's in core aic released in launch?

[daring rapids]

[solid quiver]

how

[meager stream]

oh wait, i forgot stocks liquid hxira

[polar island]

yall calcd ts i just mental mathed

[tribal crescent]

why do you need to stock them

[polar island]

text area

[tribal crescent]

uses like

200

at most

[robust grove]

Is losing some money from outpost temporarily even that bad.

You have a pretty good margin for it to pile up and you don't have that much stuff to buy anyways

[polar island]

and jst incase

[tribal crescent]

[daring rapids]

wym how?

[polar island]

ynk when the blight is gonna act up again

[daring rapids]

[small creek]

doubting the intelligence of another isnt nice

[tribal crescent]

[polar island]

so i made 8k hxir liquid bottles

[jovial breach]

Doubting my own intelligence

[small creek]

Well u can doubt yourself all u want lol

[tribal crescent]

wait 3scw/min

[polar island]

https://giphy.com/gifs/project-moon-argaliareverb-argaliabluereverberation-s4pS4XiUWUt30KABiQ

[tribal crescent]

[small creek]

its standard

[tribal crescent]

is that perma 2 thermal banks

[small creek]

yeah

[tribal crescent]

noooooo

[small creek]

calculations require standards

[tribal crescent]

fine

[ruby sorrel]

you don't sell hxira?

[small creek]

Im not gonna use 2 hcv 2 lcw because not everyone is doing it

[tribal crescent]

no i uses scw only

but i use pwm

[polar island]

i use 3 cuz i make extra lc batteries

[small creek]

I do but its just not included here since it doesnt affect ferrium

[polar island]

i might switch to lc

[small creek]

the full version is in a way that only makes sense to me now so

[polar island]

.clap

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461535111223967764/1504549989337006100/perliclap.gif?ex=6a0764de&is=6a06135e&hm=e58ea3860df88e41364ca501427b4b71385403f71d4955388733e0bff5377516&=&width=418&height=478

[small creek]

not really useful for anyone

[meager stream]

.clap2

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461535111223967764/1504551200878497842/amimiclap.gif?ex=6a0765ff&is=6a06147f&hm=1f853edff1150fa41a877de22ab76db430882acf3c026b3017c669af39b47cce&=&width=338&height=425

[polar island]

.pat

aww

[meager stream]

.worstgirl

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1470981037210337341/ezgif-2ae7fae77d7a0907.gif?ex=6a09db18&is=6a088998&hm=5b435791723bd70030908c485418df1e97f871b717253848dd4a04fd15ec7ddd&

[polar island]

.sing2

[marble yarrow]

me using 2.5 SC/min (i stretched the 10 sec output of SC packaging to give bank once every 60/s)

[tribal crescent]

wait

hcv

no way

[small creek]

yeah

[tribal crescent]

[polar island]

NAWWWW

[small creek]

its not standard

so i dont share it

[meager stream]

blame dev hg xD

[small creek]

why are u doing pwm from packaging

[polar island]

forever team fangyi

[tribal crescent]

so we import ori cube just to make hcv

[small creek]

no

import hcv through dijiang

ori cube is for lcw

[jovial breach]

He's not making it

[polar island]

no you import hcv it self why make it there

[tribal crescent]

hm so even with perma 2 banks i can still have enough money?

[polar island]

until you can make sc

[tribal crescent]

damn

[solid quiver]

I never tried that share function

[tribal crescent]

manual transport

[daring rapids]

now it's time

[jovial breach]

Yes because you make 15/min sc

[small creek]

making hcv in wuling is just shooting yourself in foot

[marble yarrow]

to add a random death chance to my factory

[tribal crescent]

well i'm making 13.5 now

i think

[small creek]

Bro loves to live on the edge

[jovial breach]

13.5sc is for meta ferriun setup

[tribal crescent]

i uses some cube for xira gear

[small creek]

^ which is strictly worse than meta dense orig

[meager stream]

he wants challenging himself xD

[daring rapids]

@solid quiver fren me

[polar island]

i just import 1k xira from tp

[daring rapids]

[polar island]

i dont even do metastorage

[tribal crescent]

i'm too lazy

[small creek]

Bro why

its free

[polar island]

it takes only few seconds

[tribal crescent]

beside i should have enough money

[solid quiver]

I'm in asia

[small creek]

like money from thin air

[meager stream]

metastorage...bomb, also delivery packages with bomb too

[polar island]

i dont want to wait for 1 hr just for the delivery

[daring rapids]

fym I'm in Asia too

[solid quiver]

4454338416

[polar island]

might as well just deliver it myself

[small creek]

Half heto is more profitable than full heto, but i have my own reasons for doing the latter

[small creek]

Reason being, i wanna hoard heto comp for no reason

[polar island]

i dont am i missing smth

[craggy oyster]

reason for me is im lazy lol

[daring rapids]

4873786105

[jovial breach]

it's automatic

[small creek]

time to block these uids

[polar island]

ik its automatic but delivery time

[craggy oyster]

why

what did they do to u

[daring rapids]

once my heto parts clog, I will start hogging heto comp

[tardy raptor]

Finishing test area 1,2,3 unlocks forge expansion IV? I'm so confused

[solid quiver]

you send to me

[polar island]

same

i made like 200 of evey weapon for some reason

the turrents

[daring rapids]

saw the message?

[nova pilot]

Till you restore the tree's condition in the middle I think

[solid quiver]

shared

[shut hearth]

isn't it just more profitable to straightup not make any hetonite and use the ferrium on batteries instead?

[small creek]

Not really since youll lose out on the sewage from hetontie

[shut hearth]

i am running full hetonite tho cuz i am burnt out

[small creek]

sewage that u can send to test area, get xircon effl, yk

[daring rapids]

where it should be on the map btw?

[shut hearth]

at MOST it's 30/min of sewage from full line of hetonite

[small creek]

its still sewage

[tardy raptor]

I should've trust you man, love you

[small creek]

you can make another point for how little the xircon effl is

but its still xircon effl

[polar island]

how do you get 6/sec sewage thats 360 sweage per min and you only have 240 cuprium per min in the map i think

and you need the xircon ones

[shut hearth]

so idk if 1/min of effluent from treatment node makes any dent on the difference in profitability of battery vs hetonite comp

[polar island]

cuz you need sweage to make xircon

[small creek]

Im actually getting tired of saying the same shit over and over cus of this patch and this stupid test area

[polar island]

and 3/sec is just a weird

[small creek]

its a marginal loss

marginal

doesnt matter for most ppl

The maximum scw you can make is 14.75/m

Youll still have leftover ferrite

which is better used for heto than YazC because of the sewage

[polar island]

thats exactly what i do

[daring rapids]

goat vic

[polar island]

HOW

[daring rapids]

sharing ziplines

[polar island]

ik but like getting there is impressive damn

[primal epoch]

oh yeah I got there by myself

but I think they fixed the Ardelia bug that allowed it

[daring rapids]

WAT

[small creek]

lmao

[meager stream]

.stop2

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/zhuang-fangyi-zhuang-fangyi-dragon-dragon-girl-gif-17711825278584358889

[undone pagoda]

ok

[daring rapids]

ykw, imma use shared ziplines too

[meager stream]

.stop

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-arknights-sui-gif-7073468061133619170

[undone pagoda]

i need to start using sc wuling bats, but they come out waaaaayyy to quick is there a way to slow it down from coming out??

or is it just keep it full

[upper fiber]

use splitter and such

[small creek]

fac limit flex

[coral orchid]

[undone pagoda]

wanna pull my hair out

[molten wren]

[undone pagoda]

is there an image of one to follow?

[daring rapids]

tbf I have like 8 heto lines rn

and two overflow valves

[molten wren]

Im capped on xiranite so i had to use 4 forges to burn some my issue now is that im half max heavy xyr and i have no use for it yet

more like no clue on where to use it

[undone pagoda]

sell it i guess lmao

[molten wren]

[daring rapids]

literally maximum facilities limit

[solid quiver]

great

now you can have bird eye view like mine

[daring rapids]

thanks

how's my fac look?

[solid quiver]

good

[molten wren]

Those are rookie numbers

[daring rapids]

[daring rapids]

guh

[molten wren]

[meager stream]

dont try mine, its 8.35k/9.8k

[molten wren]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-too-little-ben-chang-community-gif-5881468

[solid quiver]

still waiting for this bp to het shared

[molten wren]

OH NO

[meager stream]

ready for worldwar

[molten wren]

💀 i can tel

[valid gazelle]

Oh shite that message was so long ago

Mbmb

Man why discord on mobile keeps showing a message from the past when we open it

[solid quiver]

overload

[bold vessel]

is anyone here can do more than 6 xiranite fac on 1 sub AIC?

[small creek]

there are several 7 forge designs in #1461542035617091681

[marble yarrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hd-smirk--k01KRTH9YASA6Y6CCC1HSJX673V

[molten wren]

im actually using the blueprint from vi sensei so its quite hard to beat

[sharp island]

With the new aic being level 3 you cant uh

Empty the sky king flat money depot right

[sharp island]

If u also empty the marker stone obe

[marble yarrow]

"hard to beat"

aight

[dreamy jungle]

[sharp island]

Its hard to beat to it true

[molten wren]

your statement its.... concerning nonetheless haru....

i think the max you could squeeze there is a jincao syringe fact or something

[dreamy jungle]

Get ready

[marble yarrow]

bro about to see peak

[valid gazelle]

Is that mine

[molten wren]

yes

[valid gazelle]

[molten wren]

made it from that picture u have on the post, i actually said it was your BP btw

[valid gazelle]

I recognize that snek 🐍 anywhere

[molten wren]

yeah its pretty hard to duplicate out of luck

[sterile stratus]

why my copium is not reviving

[marble yarrow]

bro is in poverty

[sterile stratus]

yeah lol

pls donate

[molten wren]

hori shito thats some wicked level

[coral orchid]

gimme some explaination lol

[molten wren]

[valid gazelle]

Wait.. that's my base

[marble yarrow]

whats the max again if i ferrium transfer? 13.5 SC?

[polar island]

algds

[valid gazelle]

Sry ~

[molten wren]

yes literally ask the culprit please

[valid gazelle]

Wait what

[molten wren]

they are asking me for your base

💀

[valid gazelle]

💀

[small creek]

yeap

[marble yarrow]

1.5 SC value is slightly worse than my 3.67 LC 😭

[sterile stratus]

idk what should i do with the 60 ori should i make lcw

[small creek]

Thats why i said meta ferrium is bum

[surreal lantern]

there are actually ppl doing this??
sending liquid xeranite and making reactor here then send back effluent

[small creek]

Dense orig is the way

[valid gazelle]

Ori candy is the way

[surreal lantern]

[valid gazelle]

Yep

[sterile stratus]

...yes?

[surreal lantern]

[molten wren]

💀 why tho

[valid gazelle]

Here you go

[sterile stratus]

anyway is lc>sc with the excess ori

[valid gazelle]

Im with SC to use the excess eff

[sterile stratus]

i'm lowk too lazy to even use the eff

[small creek]

scw > lcw

[marble yarrow]

im still loving my 30/min hetonite, we waited for this

[sterile stratus]

i should start now

[valid gazelle]

That's on you then

[sterile stratus]

oh.... thanks

[small creek]

If you have ferrium to spare that is

And no, meta ferrium sucks

[molten wren]

i could only do as much as 23 or 25 i think

[marble yarrow]

lc>sc if hetonite is maintained @ 30/min

[sterile stratus]

yeah sadly not, ig i'll stick with lcw

[valid gazelle]

Im on pwm too so Im running 2.7 scw on 14.7 production

[small creek]

theres nuance to which battery u should be making basically

[valid gazelle]

[marble yarrow]

if you allowed for hetonite to reduce then SC>LC

[sterile stratus]

too bad for ferrium meta is for amethyst bottles

[valid gazelle]

Almost had a full line there

[sterile stratus]

i wish

[molten wren]

mine are finally equal its been such a pain

[coral orchid]

why 2 extra?

[sterile stratus]

this looks far

[valid gazelle]

You know how your belts move more slowly when you're offline ? This slowly builds up your ore. So i have some extra just in case i need to drain it a bit faster

[small creek]

guys should i interact

[marble yarrow]

final boss of plumbing

[coral orchid]

hmm.... I rarely encounter that nowadays

[nova pilot]

I'm actually curious what happens, high likely you drown but I'mma bet on the sliver chance of something different happening

[small creek]

I just drowned while standing

No drowning animation even

[hoary crag]

imagine

[nova pilot]

Thanks for your sacrifice

[meager stream]

it can xD

[hoary crag]

also since when did they add the fix to the death loops

[nova pilot]

Where did you spawn back?

[valid gazelle]

Just something there to fill up the base

[hoary crag]

I somehow managed to get myself into one by the sewage pool

and it sent me to a tp point

[small creek]

Not where i took the zip

[small creek]

It took me a little bit farther than expected

[ruby sorrel]

everyone doing the splitterblob

[small creek]

Now that thats done, i am not looking forward to finishing my test area ziplines

[ruby sorrel]

tempted to replace my conduits with pipes....

also pipe water to farm from jingyu

[hoary crag]

shared zips go brrr

[small creek]

I wanna be independent lol

[small totem]

can i make it symmetrical instead doing it like this.
i mean, it still looks clean and this is the best i can think for making it Symmetric
but i want it look symetrical per battery factory, as in, even as individual factory, they look symetric

[hoary crag]

splitters for turns

[ruby sorrel]

all tht fac just to make corners square 😭

[marble yarrow]

try the minimal zips

[hoary crag]

and then there's us who's already hit 512

[small totem]

tried to make it look clean

[ruby sorrel]

I'm not at 512 yet

[tender thistle]

Why my protocol capacity so high 😭

19 zips
Sewage manifold in
Effluent normal line back

9 sledgehammers
4 acid shooter

[valid gazelle]

What do you think of my zips ?

[small creek]

Get help

[valid gazelle]

Dang..

[small creek]

why are they so straight 😭

[valid gazelle]

It's joever

[small totem]

bruh what happened on top left?

[small creek]

Interesting

[pulsar cypress]

Minimal zips also..

[hoary crag]

diagonal zip top left

[ruby sorrel]

I should put zip in sewage wall tbh

[small creek]

Bro got fraudulent and gave up

[valid gazelle]

Goddangit its impossible (cuz im lazy)

[marble yarrow]

zip of the year

[solid quiver]

bruh those splitters

looks like would max facility in any minute

[final sierra]

ok now it looks better 🤔

[tacit quarry]

done placing, but I have to wait system to balance out excess Xircon eff

[subtle finch]

here's mine for comparison, same length

[keen badge]

Could be just me but... this doesn't seem to be going anywhere?
near the center, just to the left

[small totem]

OK, forgot that splitters will add the facility limit
how is this??
added thermal in factory itself

[final sierra]

nice nice, (but i prefer to separate refining cuprium)

[final sierra]

and don't like this part

[tacit quarry]

that converger are left over from reroute
it go to inlet for making xiranite

[subtle finch]

it's meant to be configurable to however you wanna cut it
ideally this is how id place it, but it's awkward to have to accommodate 2 parallel bus just for it

[tacit quarry]

correct me if im wrong
mix fluid converger only work when it's not full load right?

[subtle finch]

it works but you need to start the system with 0 water in the pipes until the pumps
that's why the top image has them 1 column apart, it's safer for surge of water

[marble yarrow]

what is this ghost zipline

[subtle finch]

looks like the kite's hitbox

[ruby sorrel]

I can't make this layout work again still

the inert just doesn't get output anymore

[subtle finch]

gridlocked

[ruby sorrel]

idk how it ever worked in the first place cus it defies converger prio blocking machine output

well that's a pic from when it worked

[keen badge]

don't convergers / splitters just simply alternate between their inputs (round robin)?
or there is a priority system, pipes that they "prefer first"?

( sorry, still learning >.< )

[ruby sorrel]

if there's 0 pipe length to a building it prioritizes pipes instead

[subtle finch]

technically right, but there's a caveat if the liquids are different, the pipe basically act as a tank, and you need to flush the entire thing first, which depends on its length

[ruby sorrel]

yeah it was funny cus my pipes had to fill to 27/80 before the next section got sewage

[subtle finch]

and there could be priority too with convergers, but we don't wanna go there

[scarlet osprey]

i have copied Kyostins blueprint

i shall now sleep

[meager stream]

brain isnt braining

[scarlet osprey]

forever

[ruby sorrel]

it somehow worked until I deleted everything and moved stuff around

but now I have something more cursed

[scarlet osprey]

btw test area purification is a scam

dont do it

do something better with ur life

[ruby sorrel]

too late

[scenic mesa]

this is my shit

shity space but look kinda clean somehow lol

[scarlet osprey]

this wouldve worked if they put the aic area ON the test area but no

its fun to do but literally useless in the grand scale of things

unless

they have plans

again they make oryberyls out of sewage all of us will scramble to pipe the whole wuling landscape

[wide pecan]

Finally the main factory is done

[scarlet osprey]

wth is tang tang looking at

[winged oriole]

Am I the only one that took this route

[wide pecan]

she likes leaves

[valid gazelle]

*Does it because it is better factory production

[scarlet osprey]

well you do you

[marble yarrow]

yeah first time i saw that route

this is mine

[rocky niche]

you dont want the forageable on left side?

[upper fiber]

a lot of people convincing themselves that puri node is useless....

[winged oriole]

I really wanted to land on the stairs

and no

not really

[rocky niche]

i'm pissed off of the fact i cant connect my conduits to puri nodes

[upper fiber]

why? limit?

[rocky niche]

idk how to connect from area 1 to meteorological station

there is no near waypoint to those two areas

[upper fiber]

yeah, you walk a little

[solid quiver]

how much is area pipeline limit for wuling city

[undone pagoda]

i need to know im not going insane

[upper fiber]

128

[undone pagoda]

that im not the only one maxxed fac limit and struggling to keep things balanced

[valid gazelle]

You aren't and good luck

[rocky niche]

is this possible? if i could run the pipes to qijian dais instead of the meteorological station

[undone pagoda]

ok i thought i was having a skill issue im not gonna lie

[rocky niche]

happens if you have many ziplines like i do in my wuling map

[marble yarrow]

man. thats waste of spacing between conduits

[rocky niche]

idk where to find pipelines for puri nodes

[upper fiber]

dunno man,i just use the standard route

[rocky niche]

seems like people havent layout their pipes yet or they dont post in reddit or something

[marble yarrow]

wait imma show you how i did mine

[undone pagoda]

yeah but my aic is so unbalanced rn

[solid quiver]

that's damn low

[rocky niche]

protocol capacity in openworld map doesnt affect the protocol capacity inside aic area tho?

[undone pagoda]

my aic went offline overnight and ive spent the past 4 hours fixing it

[rocky niche]

did you re-align pipelines in qingbo stockade?

new rdl level max increase purity for cupr nodes there

[undone pagoda]

wdym? i havent actually done the sewage stuff yet because its a waste of space imo

[rocky niche]

that might also affect your cupr stash

[undone pagoda]

realign pipes??

OH MY DAYS I SEE WHAT U MEAN

[rocky niche]

before the new rdl lvl up, we get 4 high puri, 2 low puri in one cupri nodes in qingbo stockade

and then after new rdl level up, all 6 became high puri now

wuling city dont have max purity yet, right?

this means it is still possible to increase puri in later rdl lvls

[small creek]

@marble yarrow heres my zips

I wanted 2 separate lines for left and right

Power is also nice and clean

[marble yarrow]

lmao where the zip for there

[upper fiber]

ferrium is all high already... so looks like we never get more than 90

[marble yarrow]

now jump it left to monitoring center

[rocky niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2TZa3MhoX8 in this video, they use manifold conduit for one puri node. is that enough pipeline?

[small creek]

im just gonna fucking jump lmao

like its so close

[tacit quarry]

14.75 SC battery

wish I could make it smaller

[valid gazelle]

If its less than 8 sewage lines, then its enough

[ruby sorrel]

I've cursed my xircon, I think it'll survive hxira capping this time

[rocky niche]

is 1 manifold for 1 puri node or do you align 2 outlets to 2 puri nodes

[tacit quarry]

Finally done! gonna sleep on factory until next patch
14.75 SC battery
12 heavy Xiranite
16.25 henotie -> 3.25 heto nite part
5.5 Yazhen [A]
stock produce

• 1415.8333 /min
• 8490 / hrs

[final sierra]

now I love the shape :)

[valid gazelle]

I split them up

[rocky niche]

so much space

[valid gazelle]

And last node was the conduit from marker stone

[ruby sorrel]

my yield is too high until the wall fills the crucible

[final sierra]

yea, placed all I can (also balancing with modularity (6 modular Xir > 7 one part Xir)) in sub AIC

[marble yarrow]

thermal bank with 5% chance of death

[late imp]

how can i make this any tighter?

4 forge of the sky

but i cant make it any more tighter

its so incredibly hard to make 10 forge of the sky making xiranite

[tacit quarry]

I would have more space if I move xiranite factory somethere else

[marble yarrow]

i mean i fit 10 xira forge and 2 heavy forge in main

but thats not self-imposing symmetry rules

[late imp]

how did u do that?
did u bring all plant make to jingliu valley?

[marble yarrow]

nope

[solid quiver]

fitting 10-12 forge in main is easy tho

[robust grove]

I fit 10 in main with some space still

[late imp]

jesus christ

[marble yarrow]

yeah but i fit everything else in main also with nothing in outposts

[robust grove]

and my design has lots of extra space for the sake of modularity

[solid quiver]

I could fit 2 heavy in main but I don't wanna move sewages

[marble yarrow]

just sewage in main also

[robust grove]

I moved my some of my hXi to subpac cuz I keep hitting 512

[late imp]

then maybe i should move all battery making to the other side

[scarlet osprey]

ive been meaning to ask that
is the 512 limit based on the area?

[marble yarrow]

map-wide, aka wuling city area

[robust grove]

other areas have lower limit, but they're not linked

[wise cloud]

Any blueprint that’s easy to setup?

[scarlet osprey]

so it takes account all buildings in wuling

[ember shoal]

yeah

pylons/ziplines/towers too

[robust grove]

turrets and everything \

[scarlet osprey]

i mean i hit already
i jsut dont know the specifics

[marble yarrow]

you can lessen your 512 by manually piping instead of conduits (extend pipes by bridges, etc)

[unreal laurel]

halo

[solid quiver]

core aic maps 512 subs 256

[ember shoal]

every building and belt logistics count toward the limit
pipes and pipe logistics don't count (pipe logistics have their own limit)

[unreal laurel]

dont bridges count as a facility

[solid quiver]

nothings should have 128 or 64

[marble yarrow]

but im talking about pipe and pipe bridges

[unreal laurel]

why do belts count but not pipes...

[ember shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scarlet osprey]

we need to remove that limit
let me fill my maps with mortar

[unreal laurel]

theres still the turret limit

[solid quiver]

belt logistics in counts in facility units
pipe logistics count in pipe area units

[scarlet osprey]

we also need to remove that

[unreal laurel]

finally perfect numbers

[ruby sorrel]

finally clogged up my crucibles 🔥

[unreal laurel]

everything is finally clean

i can be at peace till nxt patch

[ruby sorrel]

now I can test what happens if my hxira backs up

[wise cloud]

Chat
Any blueprints easy to setup? Without running around dragging

Conduit wires

[unreal laurel]

dont

[ruby sorrel]

why not

[rocky niche]

there's post in reddit where they could fit in 7 fots in tangtang outpost

[unreal laurel]

you always need conduits

or long ass pipes

[wise cloud]

I can’t setup conduits in 2d mode right

[unreal laurel]

no

[ember shoal]

if only

[wise cloud]

Sad life

[unreal laurel]

but long ass pipes are equally long

[ruby sorrel]

oh wait the sewage might go over 4/s....

time to find out

[wise cloud]

You can setup pipes in 2d

[rocky niche]

[unreal laurel]

just place the conduits close to the pumps

the outlet provided its in the aic retains its connection

so you can just connect first,move later

[ember shoal]

what's the route for piping from main aic all the way over to test area? I'm bored

[ruby sorrel]

hmm yeah if my hxira actually backs up it'll brick the sewage if I don't run another line into test area

[unreal laurel]

tp,conduit connections dont break

[ember shoal]

using pipes no conduits

[unreal laurel]

just dont overextend

[shut hearth]

What's the fix? I might convert to half heto in like a weeks time when i can finally feel like messing with factory again

[ruby sorrel]

running the extra line is the fix

cus it'll go over 4/s

[winged oriole]

I just ran all 6/s over in the first go to future proof it

[shut hearth]

Ah so u feed sewage for the effluent for ur heavy directly off a splitter from the main sewage line?

[ruby sorrel]

I wonder if this problem resolves itself if I just make more SC

oh yeah it does cus less heto sewage in the first place

[stray warren]

So anyone know how to daisy chain manifold at 4 flow rate per second?

Like, all the way to test area?

[late imp]

welp i give up on making my own
i dont fucken know how u all fit 12 forge in with plant with 0 problem

[shut hearth]

R u using half the extra xiranite line to make effluent for battery?

[hoary crag]

depends on where you'd like it to go tbh, although the setup I most commonly see is

core -> monitoring -> maintenance -> test area

[ruby sorrel]

I should've just piped the hetonite sewage straight into test area instead of messing around and pulling it to main aic

[static isle]

imagine if control ports actually work and control actual flow rate

[craggy oyster]

why dont bottle it

[stray warren]

I've already laid the pipeline by myself, the problem is, i kinda want to shove it into 4 second flow rate, which i can do by using the converger to combine all 6 pipe into the manifold, but obviously it bottlenecked on the 2nd inlet, because it only receive 2 instead

[static isle]

just bottle it

[ruby sorrel]

???? why

[shut hearth]

Bottle + separating unit

[static isle]

bottle it and unload it in main AIC with a separator

[stray warren]

Simpler, and you can just separate it into liquid pipeline using separating unit, easy transport

[static isle]

save u the pipe job

[ruby sorrel]

wtf is that going to do I already have a pipe to main

[stray warren]

Welp, you gotta live with that i guess

[ruby sorrel]

see that beautiful sewage pipe from the mountains

[shut hearth]

Where does ur pipe to test area start from? Main aic?

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I just conduited it from main

[final sierra]

did that yesterday but that +0.25 heto part ...
creates too much chaos so I returned back to:

14.75 SC battery (15/min till cubes reach 0)
12 heavy Xiranite
3 heto part
6 Yazhen [A]

now:
15   /min SC: 1426.44/min 85586/hour
after 194 hours or 8 days:
14.75/min SC: 1414.96/min 84897/hour

[shut hearth]

Did u write a script?

[sterile stratus]

conduit connection drops when i use zipline 🥀

[rocky niche]

same

[tacit quarry]

I control it by using ferrite limitation, so there won't be any inconsistance

[tulip tinsel]

Different from the design that you sent to me?

btw sewage bottling just got replaced

[final sierra]

no that is it

[tulip tinsel]

I must be doing something wrong

Ah, I think I found it

[final sierra]

maybe sewage not connected
I rebuilded main AIC so now I can make it in encad and send blueprints

[static isle]

I love pretending like these are hurdles when I'm running around my AIC lol

[tulip tinsel]

I literally just forgot the output belt

[final sierra]

oh XD

[tulip tinsel]

I guess that is what copying a design by hand on 3 hours of sleep results in

[final sierra]

now my main AIC looks like this :)
#aic-factory message

(same production rate)

[tulip tinsel]

Yeah, I see you moved things around

Btw, you meta transfer dense originium powder right?

[final sierra]

yes

[tacit quarry]

my solution on 14.25 hetonite

even if I have too much cuprium powder, ferrium powder will limit hetonite production

[rocky niche]

where do you copy bp?

[tulip tinsel]

What did mean with this part and transfer?

[tulip tinsel]

#aic-factory message

Used this image to replicate main AIC

[unreal laurel]

the what

you mean the leftover 15 from 285/300?

no, 30 is already being used on effluent for hxira and 15 is used for 1.5scw

[final sierra]

this is for encad calculations just simulating transfer

[unreal laurel]

the other 15 is just personal use basically

[tulip tinsel]

Ah, interesting that encad can't just give it straight

[unreal laurel]

it does whatever i feel like using it for

[rocky niche]

oh cool. their sub-pacs are compact. something i didnt manage to do yet. i'll see how i could implement their design in mine.

[tulip tinsel]

Btw I have an unused acid manifold in core AIC. Is that just completely useless?

[final sierra]

also changed some inlet outlet logic and now all sewage used in reactors go from one adaptive (try 2/s if not needed just reduce and put to puri Area) outlet

[tulip tinsel]

Kargo is goated

[tacit quarry]

I just notice something, there is no Ferrite, only Ferrium
not sure since when I starting to call it Ferrite

[hoary crag]

first time actually using the separating unit

and ngl

this literally feels like using edge only to download chrome

😭

[tulip tinsel]

Is this marker?

[rare moon]

I bottle marker stone sewage to separate in core aic to route to the purifying pipe

[rocky niche]

bottling is funny way to do things for puri node

i even hand feed the fluid tanks in puri nodes just yesterday and manage to cut down 41k bottles of sewage to 14k bottles

[hoary crag]

also have I mentioned that my jingyu outpost is basically just my random bullshit outpost?

[rocky niche]

handfeeding bottles is my way when i cant connect conduits yet to test area

[hoary crag]

unlike core and marker that's carefully planned

[tulip tinsel]

I just spend the better part of an hour replacing this with a manifold connection from marker to core

[hoary crag]

jingyu outpost for me is just do whatever tf I want lol

[bold vessel]

whats your power output?

[hoary crag]

tho it's main purpose is actually for my temporary lines

[rocky niche]

having space for random impromptu factory is necessary

[rare moon]

Im out of space for more conduits so i cant route from marker

[final sierra]

if you mean "double inlet" than yes it goes to puri area on test area from AIC

[tulip tinsel]

I use dige

Though I could make it even better if I want to live on the edge

[late imp]

question
how did u optimize ur hetonite part?
u make it as a single file line which is kinda crazy

mine is currently big as a barge unless i currently have no idea how these crucible line work

[tulip tinsel]

Honestly I just didn't know what factory I was looking at

[dry comet]

Does anyone has a bp for xyranite production?

maximized if possible pls

[late imp]

can anyone explain how this crucible thing work? if the material are consumed when inserted then how can this single file line here work?

[tribal crescent]

there are like

7 crucibles

you gotta specify which

[tribal crescent]

they are consumed at a rate

and output'd at a rate

they consume 1 every 2s

and release 1 every 2s

so if the input is greater

say 3/2s

then 1 is consumed to make stuff

while 2 are passed out of the output

[tulip tinsel]

Trying to make sense of this

[bold vessel]

just connect the pipes, make sure you yield enough acid so every crucible have enough acid to use

[tulip tinsel]

Corner conduit is an inlet right?

[solid quiver]

refining units?

[tribal crescent]

that's how you do passthrough

same applies to belts btw

the crucibles eat 1 dust

but there are 2 dust input

so it spit out 1 dust

[tribal crescent]

uh

which part do you need to make sense

[tulip tinsel]

More just the sewage piping in general since the design has changed from this, so I need to somehow change mine to fit, even though they are kinda divergent designs now

[sharp nexus]

only just discovered this but since what patch has yazhin and jincao been able to be used to refine 2 carbon per?

[tribal crescent]

1.0

we got another one chat

[late imp]

May i use this?
Im tired with this cuprium thing

[tribal crescent]

if you are tired you should not use this

since you have to manage backflow

[rocky niche]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1td4n1j/true_7_xiranite_in_subaic/ only 7 fots in tangtang outpost. as for other 5, you find other bp

[tribal crescent]

from the residue acid of the purification unit

you don't need this kind of pipe passthrough

[hoary crag]

ikr

[tribal crescent]

we have more than enough space

[hoary crag]

finally adjusted xiranite pipes to go over bus lanes (before and after)

[late imp]

Theres backflow of this
What exactly is backflow?

[tribal crescent]

o wait

we have fulll heto

is not big deal now

[bold vessel]

you can copy it, i cant give you the blueprint cuz i log off

[tribal crescent]

🔥

[late imp]

Its fine i will use the picture

[hoary crag]

I'm stealing this

[shrewd plaza]

[tribal crescent]

the purification unit will purify the cuprium sol to make hetonite sol and acid

normally you'd dump the acid

[valid gazelle]

So we have 2 today

[shrewd plaza]

i swear on all things holy if i SEE CREATOR PLEASE REFINE ME MEME, in response to that i will loose my shit

[valid gazelle]

[tribal crescent]

but you can also reuse that acid for the crucible make cuprium sol

[rocky niche]

oh wow. didnt know you could connect acid pipes in that manner. it costs lesser space instead. it looks neat as well. i have to redo my heto prod line again

[hoary crag]

oh hi vi

[tribal crescent]

the rate is kinda weird at 4 cuprium sol to 1 heto sol and 1 acid

but

[valid gazelle]

hi fuyu ~

[tribal crescent]

since we have 8 cupirum lines now

we can actually just plug 4 lines of crucibles into 1 purification unit

[hoary crag]

btw do you have a dedicated space for temporary lines?

[tribal crescent]

then link the acid from the purification unit to route back to 1 crucible

[rocky niche]

ZZZ meme?

[shrewd plaza]

yeah....

[late imp]

So in short theres nothing to worry about?

[valid gazelle]

i thought of that.. can save you a pump

[tribal crescent]

4 lines of cuprium sol into 1 puri unit make enough acid to support 1 crucible

so 8 lines mean 2

[hoary crag]

welcome back 1.1 sc battery sewage loopback

[tulip tinsel]

I am honestly so lost on how to implement this in my older version, as you have also change the conduits out of view and I don't really know where there come from and go cottoneye joe. Do you have some bigger top view photos of that part?

[tribal crescent]

theoretically it should be fine

[valid gazelle]

how big is this line you are talking about

[tribal crescent]

and save you 1 pump worth of acid

1 pump is 2 crucible worth

[hoary crag]

just any line tbh

[valid gazelle]

okay.. so what is it

[subtle vessel]

What's the rate can a pipe move liquid? Is it 1u/s?

[tribal crescent]

2/s max

[subtle vessel]

thanks

[valid gazelle]

2

[late imp]

And thankfully we dont have to build buffer unlike satisfactory

[bold vessel]

the orange pipe might confuse you, do the green guide to make the acid pipe from purifier instead

[hoary crag]

let's just say

60/min copium parts
30/min copium bottles
and a separate 6/min yazhen A line that doesn't use above copium

[tribal crescent]

wow mspaint

[hoary crag]

oh and also a separating and refilling line to transfer liquid h-xira from ferrium to tetonite bottles

[valid gazelle]

damn hetonite bottles

[late imp]

Then what would be the bottom crucible red outlet?

[valid gazelle]

18+

i should make that an emote

[hoary crag]

I have half an outpost for my random bullshit lol

[tribal crescent]

i'm not quite sure what's the filling unit for lmao
but the 6 funny things is just tryna divide the 2 pipes into 3 equal lines

[late imp]

Alright thanks

[hoary crag]

although jingyu does have some necessary lines like sandleaf, sandleaf powder, xiranite, and lcw

everything else is temporary 😭

[tribal crescent]

why do people make bridges like that

😡

waste of AIC limit

[tulip tinsel]

It is a separator to transfer sewage from marker to core

[valid gazelle]

eh.. but you cant make outputs

[tribal crescent]

omg

filling sewage bottle

and separating

insanity

[spark hedge]

What !!!

[tribal crescent]

why does the acid line and heto line cross

😡

bad

[bold vessel]

almost the same, straight to crudible to make the hetonite

[valid gazelle]

only 10 overhead

[tribal crescent]

mix your starting batt so you get random base death

[sharp nexus]

I’m sorry to inform u but I have max capacity of amethyst bottles filled with sewage

[valid gazelle]

i dont have different battery types to use

its only scw

[shrewd plaza]

bruh u are one phone charger away from a a flatline

[valid gazelle]

this is fine ™

[tribal crescent]

anyway then the 4 funny things is just to divide the sewage from the separator unit evenly between the pipes

[spark hedge]

Where is cross part??

[tribal crescent]

each of the pipe is taking in 3 sewage input

so that's 1.5/s

gotta divide otherwise we got a problem

[valid gazelle]

at least now i know my base wont die with the torment im giving it

[tribal crescent]

what is this then!!!!!

😡

[spark hedge]

Is there a problem with it?? It not look cool or it get clogged??

[final sierra]

wait a little, I am currently making main AIC in encad with all codes

[tribal crescent]

you waste the pipe limit

very bad

😡

[fallen badge]

Can you guys fit all of forge of the sky in wuling?

[tribal crescent]

well you can fit 12 forges everywhere

[hoary crag]

@marble yarrow has iirc

[tribal crescent]

[valid gazelle]

which wuling

[sterile stratus]

is there a way to use zipline to connect conduits

[spark hedge]

What pipe limit i should know??

[shrewd plaza]

theres a pipe limit?????

[tribal crescent]

yes

[shrewd plaza]

[tribal crescent]

wha

[marble yarrow]

yep. i dont have anything in outposts

[tribal crescent]

why do you guys assume there isn't any for pipes

[valid gazelle]

is this enough ?

[tribal crescent]

i just don't rmb the number

[valid gazelle]

damn haruna beat me to it

[tribal crescent]

but it is different from ground stuff

iirc

[valid gazelle]

defeated male retreats

[rocky niche]

people use teleport technique in connecting conduits

[fallen badge]

Like all of AIC, bcs mine are almost full

[shrewd plaza]

i'm sorry is this a metropolis?!

[sterile stratus]

k...

[valid gazelle]

from what he did, might as well be

[shrewd plaza]

[tribal crescent]

@sterile stratus

[bold vessel]

we make bridge cuz we cant switch the liquids exit 😔

[tribal crescent]

😭

[shrewd plaza]

ok, the first thing that comes to mind is that episode of the fairly odd parents, where timmy gave cockroaches sentience and inteligence....and they started speed running nukes

[valid gazelle]

you like bridges ?

[spark hedge]

Red circle are 6 sky forge (180 xiranite) @fallen badge

[tribal crescent]

keep yourself safe

[valid gazelle]

yes im keeping myself very safe thank you

❤️

[marble yarrow]

yes:

1. setup ziplines, 1 at the target loc, and 1 from the source (place a seed picker and conduit beside the zipline so you dont touch the ground)
2. start from the target loc. board the zipline
3. arrive at the source. dont touch the ground, unload from the zipline and jump to the seed picker
4. get yourself stuck. after a while, since you touch the ground from the previous zipline, you will spawn there while still dragging conduit

[valid gazelle]

[fallen badge]

Can you tell me what do you produce with all of the xiranite?

[rocky niche]

are you sharing your conduit lines for test area?

[last ledge]

updated the factory at the 1st outpost meadow a bit

[pulsar cypress]

*walls added..

[marble yarrow]

12 SC
3.67 LC (with help from meta transfer of 25/min dense ori cubes)
12 Heavy

[sterile stratus]

this is the main reason why i need the zipline technique

[marble yarrow]

i can record, give me few minutes

[tulip tinsel]

Are you using the bonsai to tp?

Should be pretty trivial to use

[valid gazelle]

FAAAH

[sterile stratus]

wait, i think i can do that

[marble yarrow]

@sterile stratus first saw it from hikarin:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1504371787897503824/zipsave.mp4?ex=6a0ab368&is=6a0961e8&hm=ba4249704255142a71c4f4e2b9a678429389cfeed8be4158059e9fbc66344955&

[sterile stratus]

thanks

[tulip tinsel]

Why not use the bonsai

[tulip tinsel]

It is so consistent

[valid gazelle]

Whoever thought of putting that fence up.. I hope your coffee is room temperature

[marble yarrow]

i havent tried it yet

[valid gazelle]

[sterile stratus]

whose idea to place purification node in test area

finally i did it

[daring rapids]

why

[tulip tinsel]

Showcase of not touching ground

[robust grove]

To give you something to do

[tacit quarry]

I move 3 Xiranite to marker stone
3 sand leaf on the left is for DOP production

[tulip tinsel]

Use bombs to aim your character to interact with the manifold/conduit instead of walking so you don't walk off the zip

[marble yarrow]

*where the fuck is my bonsai

[tulip tinsel]

You get it from fangyi quest

1.2.1 last main quest

[marble yarrow]

yeah but i put it somewhere

[bold vessel]

whats the point of doing that

[marble yarrow]

this?

[tulip tinsel]

Doing what?

[vital fractal]

can someone tell me why its clogged? it has everything it could produce? Do I have to get efluent out, if yes, how should I do it so that enough stays in?

[sterile stratus]

good to know i still have my bonsai lol

[bold vessel]

its still 200m?

[tulip tinsel]

If you are talking about bonsai tech, it is the only way to these connections

[vital fractal]

or is it just not possible to produce the batterie thing in a single one?

[cedar bolt]

Too much sewage maybe

[tulip tinsel]

Yeah, but your character times out after 100s and then they respawn at their last safe ground location