aic-factory

[shell hinge]

14 base, 4.49 saved from purification node

[tulip tinsel]

You've managed to implement the new node?

[tacit quarry]

I mean the one that isn't from purification node or purification unit
how much Xircon effluent did you manually make?

and how much sewage that didnt go to purification unit

[final sierra]

#aic-factory message

[wheat cipher]

i ask how are managing space because im completly out of space with 30 pm hetonit production and my 12 xiranit forges

[uneven aspen]

yup the walkaround is pretty long

[final sierra]

you can use sub AIC

[wheat cipher]

i do use them

they are full too

[final sierra]

oh

[random estuary]

Each water pump is. 1water /2 second? And pipe limit is 2 water / 2 seconds?
(And each planter uses. 0.5 water per 2 seconds?) Or. Is my unit maths off

[random estuary]

Copy some blueprints to see how people are optimizing their layouts.
It'll save you space

[final sierra]

4 water / 2s or just 2 water /s

[random estuary]

So. Two pumps is 4W/2Seconds. Which is also max pipe limit?
And each planter uses. 1 water / 2 seconds? That... Makes sense

[solid quiver]

my sub just look this

main too

[surreal lantern]

pipe max flow rate is 2/s

[uneven aspen]

how much xiranite forge are in your sub aics?

[final sierra]

factories are afraid to stay closer to AIC XD

[surreal lantern]

mine looks awful

[tacit quarry]

yours look fine, but I want to know about his build since he say 18.49 xiranite
and use 168.49 sewage
but from my calculation that can make sewage so far only have about 168.33 sewage left after xircon production
so I want to know how did he make 168.49 sewage

[wheat cipher]

they are all in the main aic

[tacit quarry]

I use 7/18 so we dont have to use too many splitter

[wheat cipher]

w8 i will show you

[tulip tinsel]

Do you have a blueprint of this one?

[uneven aspen]

hmm I don't get it

mostly cause i did the opposite

shove all the forges, sandleaf, yanzhen production to subaics

[final sierra]

it looks like this:
#aic-factory message

and about blueprints: yes but not sure if for each part

[uneven aspen]

mainly because xiranite forges, and plant farms are disconnected from everything

cuprium, sewage, xircon, etc all need from each other

so it's mentally easier for me to think about them in 1 area the main aic

[solid quiver]

I was going to add few things but limit reached

[wheat cipher]

and im at the 512 item limt on the map

[keen siren]

You might not like it, but this is what peak Endfield performance looks like.

[uneven aspen]

why you need so much sandleaf

[solid quiver]

my other sub is looks full cuz I made way too long belts

[wheat cipher]

to produce batteries and xiranit

[solid quiver]

you can see pipe lines if you try

[solid quiver]

use yazhen or jincao for xira bruh

[tulip tinsel]

Thanks for the diagram, about the blueprints, does that mean you have at some of the parts in blueprints? It would save a ton of time if even a quarter of the design had blueprints

[wheat cipher]

good idea. time to rebuild everything

[tacit quarry]

this should force water from purifier to reactor first right?

[gaunt knoll]

How much yield do we have of Cuprium now exactly

[tacit quarry]

240

[wheat cipher]

240

[gaunt knoll]

Wait is that enough for a full Hetonite line?

[wheat cipher]

y

[fluid fog]

1 line of raw heto rock guaranteed.

[gaunt knoll]

Oh wait now I realized where my cuprium line that wasn't turning into dust was going to lol

[tall tangle]

there are only paths into reactor, no alternatives

[quiet hedge]

[tacit quarry]

i mean will it clog the system

[tall tangle]

depends on how much water. likely yes. afraid of purifier dying?

[uneven aspen]

why not just converge?

never had issues with clogging

[shut hearth]

I thought the splitter has to be directly touching the converger

[tacit quarry]

so there is 3 intake
if I only use 2

• 1 from outlet
• 1 from purifier
  it might not priority purifier

so i use 2 intake from purifier instead

[tall tangle]

if reactor gets more than 0.5sec water, it'll clog purifier

[tacit quarry]

nice

so I just need to connect splitter before converger right?

[final sierra]

2 sub AIC here, main AIC in progress:

sub AIC1 (EU/NA codes):
production:

180/min Xiranite

interactive:
https://enkad.enka.network/?id=V3a4t9N0A8w6z3
codes:
EFO012I4524A6O8OieIOo (subAIC1 storage) x1
EFO01Iao8Io5i39uo5o08 (Xiranite v7) x6
EFO01Iao8Io5i39u35o08 (Sandleaf x4) x1

sub AIC2 (EU/NA codes):
production:

120/min Xiranite
15/min Hetonite
15/min Sewage
100/Sandleaf ( 90/min you will need for ori Cubes)

interactive:
https://enkad.enka.network/?id=U3B7Y2H7G4v7V4
codes:
EFO0158OE5Oea2uo1eIoe (subAIC2 storage) x1
EFO01Iao8Io5i39uo5o08 (Xiranite v7) x4
EFO01Iao8Io5i39u35o08 (Sandleaf x4) x1
EFO01iOe7ieaoU28472U4 (Heto 50% + Sewa) x1 !!! dont forget to unbottle sewage on main AIC or replace filling unit with water treatment if you dont care about sewage
EFO01893u83E7I1euUI73 (Sandleaf X2) x1

[rare moon]

thats just her junior photo trust

[shut hearth]

Ome question about this tho, by "blueprint way" which direction is that from within the blueprint?

[tulip tinsel]

I love you

Thanks a ton

[uneven aspen]

did i accidentally did prio here then? because my purifier doesnt clog with water

[shut hearth]

Yes but also orientation matters apparently?

[tacit quarry]

wdym

[tulip tinsel]

I've heard a lot about the 512-something ceiling. Do some object take up more of this 512 space than others? and if so what is the difference between pylons and relays?

[shut hearth]

The last line in hx2's msg

[final sierra]

a little yes but too unsafe cuz if 50 water in Expanded all will stop

[tacit quarry]

oh yeah

better dump it then

[tall tangle]

why exactly do you want 2 inputs? is purifier not at 1:1 production?

[tacit quarry]

you mean which part?

[vital narwhal]

512 is Wuling City area facility limit. No facility takes up more than another per se--what matters is knowing what counts and where. Any facility in the area (including within AIC area but also outside) counts towards this limit, e.g. power lines, delivery ziplines, farm plots. Another very important thing to know is that belt logistics (e.g. splitters, convergers) also count as facilities (pipe logistics separate 128 limit).

[nova pilot]

Finally done with the adjustments. How's it going for you guys?

[tulip tinsel]

Interesting, so manifolds are strictly better than conduits?

[vital narwhal]

Yes, generally neutral or better

[tall tangle]

if you need more than 2/s of same liquid, otherwise same

[final sierra]

nice, also you can drain ori cubes to 0 (10 days with curent amount) producing stable 15/min SC

[vital narwhal]

One thing to note is that if your conduit route needs some specific placement, might be easier to make it work with manifold + conduit if that's enough versus placing two manifold

[tacit quarry]

about 25/72
betteru dump it than recycle, so I dont have to split recycle water

[tulip tinsel]

Why are pipesplitters seemingly always at random heights one the same flat ground, is there any way to control this?

[gaunt coral]

They never told me wulingers can walk inside conduits

[tacit quarry]

this should make about
2 heavy xiranite
2.45833 xircon

[tall tangle]

that's some interesting setup, but yeah. if amount of water is this uncertain, i would not risk backfeed

[tacit quarry]

this is my calculation, split ratio below

[keen badge]

where it gets saturated to a point where purifiers can't lead the purified water back to the crucibles and, despite put together well and with the correct formulas, it still clogs up?
that kind of backfeed?
🤔
(sorry, still new-ish to this)

[foggy pasture]

Any ideas on how to make this more compact?

[nova pilot]

Thanks! Tho I might use them for packed origocrust then xira comps instead

[last ledge]

am i good?

[tall tangle]

stationA feeds puri weird number -> puri works at less than 100% speed and outputs smaller than usual amount of water -> that water, if fed back to stationA, have to be exact number station needs continue. if more water - it clogs and purifier dies, if less - reactor runs dry and dies.
if you are trying to compensate for lack of water with extra input it turns into "if more water" scenario. to avoid it, gotta use risky pipe priorities and it's not worth the trouble

[keen badge]

Put this together based on another sample I was shown the other day
should be 28 tiles long, 17 wide
hope it helps (at least to give new ideas maybe?) 🫰

[final sierra]

what is your ferium powder and hetonite prroduction/usage?

[last ledge]

[tall tangle]

you have like... 2h left (wait... wrong number) 10h

[final sierra]

12h I think but same result

[last ledge]

+25/min

[tall tangle]

nvm then

[dense blade]

guys is it normal for expanded to suicide if all of the fluids are full

am I missing something

[final sierra]

ok, then batteries production will drop a little after draining ori cubes

[dense blade]

i get why it does but that’s so damn annoying

[nova pilot]

Always the sewage

[dense blade]

I tried ways to make it suicide proof but it might not be possible

ig I’ll just move on

if power goes out tho replacing it will fix it ig

things to do to save power

[tall tangle]

still using 4x0.5 instead of 2x1?

[nova pilot]

Can you try feeding it with 0.25/s sewage?

[dense blade]

?

[dense blade]

it’s self creating sewage

from xircon

[uneven aspen]

yup sewage should be under 50 for it to keep working

[final sierra]

if you have problems like that you can use this (for even more safety)
or try to find the problem cuz it should work ok
#aic-factory message

[tall tangle]

see that snake? it saved many lives

[nova pilot]

Yeah possible overflow...if not check the heavy Xin forges taking the effluents

[last ledge]

once xircon piles up, i'll move it to valley4, there're a few battery factories there -_-

[final sierra]

[final sierra]

ok thats interesting way to solve this problem

[tall tangle]

manual labor though

[tulip tinsel]

Why can one pipe get cleanly up but the other can't

[keen siren]

It's bugged, just remove it and remake.

[dense blade]

I tried something similar, didn’t work

Ima just mess around till I get it

[dry comet]

I have all my rigs working and i have less yield than people in videos, any idea why?

[final sierra]

show your production line

[nova pilot]

Regional Development Level 14

[tall tangle]

ore purity probably

[dry comet]

How can i increase it? dont know all the ways to do it

[gaunt knoll]

For the purification units is it that the hetonite solution will always come out of the yellow outlet and the acid from the orange? Is there no way to switch it?

[tall tangle]

click on it. there is list of things affecting number

[dense blade]

it’s interesting looking

[final sierra]

sadly you cant switch

[dense blade]

I think I know a solution

[gaunt knoll]

Damb

[dense blade]

I’ll try it first

[tulip tinsel]

I found out that by routing from high ground to low ground the pipes became nice and clean, and then I could just flow reverse them

[last ledge]

Wish there was a 100k barrel for effluent storage here, production rate is way too low to bother with output. Could’ve stacked up over time and maybe been useful later.

[keen siren]

It's 100% worth piping out.

[nova pilot]

Do region quests, upgrade every recycling stations, depot nodes, monitoring center, etc.

[tall tangle]

i do that, but with pipe control and 5k

[gaunt vault]

Is there a cap on

1. How many can we build per unit in time?

2. In total

[keen siren]

I'm realizing that because I have my cuprium refinement in marker stone, that I'm going to have to pipe something out to wuling city no matter what. There's 1 extra sewage output there, so either I'm piping that out, or I'm refining heavy xiranite and piping out excess effluent from the purifier.

[final sierra]

also if go from higher to lower than you will be able to do quite big angles like those pipes from the roof :)

[nova pilot]

I think you're sending 2/s Effluent, the left crucible makes either .5 or 1/s and only consumes 2/s so it clog after a while

[keen siren]

Wow... no shortage of acid.

[undone current]

w8 how u do dat

[rare moon]

how do i induce getting stuck in the air by a zipline

[nova pilot]

My bad Yush I meant to help Net 😭

[undone current]

throw seeder machine

[shell hinge]

261.89 effluent produced from xiranite, 92.25 sewage consumed without the node. Xircon sewage is not output

[final sierra]

just one zipline on the roof and you can do the same :)

[foggy pasture]

I'm too stupid to figure out anyway to make this smaller

[undone current]

eh, pipes work with Zipline tech?

[final sierra]

no, start tube from the top, jump down and place tube end and go by zipline up

[undone current]

oh...

i thought u can do Zipline tech with it

[tacit quarry]

why are your pipe goint up there? trying to make rgb roof?

[gaunt knoll]

An conduit works if it's literally right next to a facility outlet right?

Or does it need a pipe always

[rare moon]

Why not

[keen siren]

So, the thing with Xiranite production with net zero sewage in a single expanded crucible is that it CAN clog, but only if it is starved of Xiranite or water. Unless you screw something up, it won't clog. It's safe to split up liquid xiranite and effluent production to multiple crucibles, but the thing to avoid is piping sewage into a crucible producing Xircon, unless it's a regular non-expanded crucible.

[undone current]

still need pipe

[gaunt knoll]

Damb

[final sierra]

wanted to do that but too lazy for that so just one color

[undone current]

[rare moon]

nice

[tacit quarry]

you mean 161.89 effluent?

[tall tangle]

almost same

[tacit quarry]

not sure what did i miss from your build

[random estuary]

Not to be stupid. But. .... Two manifold ports.
Have to be the same liquid?. I can't use one side to pipe sewage to test area. And other side to pipe back effluent?

[undone current]

nope

its only 1 type with 2 IO

yes i know

[random estuary]

Wealp. Time to cry a little.

[undone current]

w8

is it worth to flipflop liquid on manifold

[random estuary]

No belt priority. So the whole length of the liquid has to be the same type
(I think?) So. Like. If you connect manifold to manifold. And the pipe is 2 long. Every 2 liquid has to empty before you can swap.

[undone current]

yeah

but at least on exit, we can slap liquid port so no fluid got mix

[nova pilot]

Thanks again @marble yarrow I made a 22.5/m (left side)

[dreamy jungle]

whats your goal exactly? smaller like this

[tacit quarry]

2 blue print done
this one is 5+7/18 xircon effluent production (number from xiranite only)

and this is 16.25 hetonite + 5.5 yazhen [A]

will place it on real AIC tomorrow, gonna sleep now

[nova pilot]

good night

[shell hinge]

Not sure how you got 161. Heavy xiranite alone is 60, plus 147.5 for xircon. Node is only like 5.6 effluent

[tall tangle]

@rare moon

[rare moon]

that ones cute

[south haven]

this is so good

im stealing it

[dreamy jungle]

lmao, i have made more versions if you're interested #1487561669180788867 message

[south haven]

:O

[rare moon]

neat

[undone current]

aint dat too far from purification node

[waxen elk]

I just discovered that we have a building limit of 512? Man… I need to delete some stuff

[rare moon]

I have it like this

[delicate seal]

can someone confirm the efficiency on fluid pumps and conduit in/outputs for me

i'm trying to correct some inefficiencies in my factory

[delicate seal]

is it that 1 fluid pump has enough output to feed 2.5 structures?

and one inlet/outlet runs the same efficiency?

[vital narwhal]

In the absolute majority of cases, one pump is enough to supply two consumers. Most recipes take 1 unit every 2 seconds, or 0.5/s, and the pump produces at 1/s. The max flow rate of one pipe is 2/s, or two pumps worth, capable of supplying four consumers.

[rare moon]

long ass pipe to connect these

[queen patrol]

Any thoughts about this AIC? It’s a mix of shared blueprints and self build.
Makes (according to the theoretical data) about:
Sandleaf dust 900/min
Xiranite 300/min
Heavy Xiranite 12/min
Wuling LC Batteries 18/min
Cuprium parts 60/min

[rare moon]

still 4 sets of conduits/manifolds

[scenic mesa]

Why you use only 60/min and why no use SC battery ?

[pastel orbit]

why protocop capacity in wuling so smol

[queen patrol]

cuprium parts are where the heavy xiranite is being made and I could probably use that little space to squeeze a xircon production to only very small

[blissful anvil]

hello, is is ok to ask AIC questions here? like a help channel?

[orchid pilot]

yup, that's the whole point here :)

[blissful anvil]

epic

[green sleet]

I really did pick the worst spot for my cupri production. Oh well.

[blissful anvil]

I was wondering about the new nodules in the Test Area, as I understand they are kind of innefficient to use for the time being, but what could make them efficient? What do they need? A practical way to feed them three lines of sewage?

[keen river]

why not go through the valley? it only needs 3 jumps

[thick matrix]

Does an Expanded Crucible with one xiranite and sewage input produce the same ammount of zircon than this or do i need 2 of them?

[pastel orbit]

yeah this why im moving all copium production to main

[pastel orbit]

one is fine

[green sleet]

Is this possible without glitches or exploits?

[keen river]

just the teleport thing

but you couldnt build your way without teleport glich probably either

[pastel orbit]

my temp xircon looks like this

[green sleet]

So its an exploit and not somethin i subscribe to doin with my builds

[orchid pilot]

I mean the QoL of dragging conduits is awful, maybe in the future there will be a closer outpost or 1.3 aic research that magically gives sewage distribution
but the sewage offtake, interms of usefulness, is fine
the big disappointment is that the effluent generation is absolutely garbage (very low)

[green sleet]

I built my way completely glitch free, bb

All natural~

[orchid pilot]

You still want to use them, because it saves ~5 x 50 powerfrom avoided wastewater treatment costs

[thick matrix]

ah interesting, might use

[ruby sorrel]

k pipe bending is pretty fun I wonder if I can make it all the way to aic without breaking it

[keen river]

i think it would be closer even without teleport trick tbh

you just would need to walk through the sky king flats

[blissful anvil]

that is what I was wondering, if there is a way to increase the effuent generation currently, I was wondering if people were saying the production of effluent was low because it is hard to send sewage pipes there

[grizzled trout]

Anyone have any clue as to why my mess of a factory is only producing 3 heavy xiranite from 1 forge? Xircon effluent is the bottleneck but I have 2 lines of Inert Xircon effluent running into the purification unit... unless i'm supposed to have one more forge of the sky for heavy xiranite

[green sleet]

If i built my curpri in Qingbo, yeah i would, but i built it in the cardio area so it left me with little to route off of.

[orchid pilot]

no, it's strictly the in-game number of 30:1

[random estuary]

Is there a way to convert dense origicrust powder. Back into dense originium powder?

[keen river]

the recipe is just 30:1

and you only get like 3 excess sewage / sec

so its eeh

[pastel orbit]

you need twice as much inert

[orchid pilot]

even if you have sewage pre-filled up in bottles and dump it all at the maximum 6/s pipes that fit into the facility, that's only 0.2/s effluent out (and obviously that is an unsustainable pace @blissful anvil

[blissful anvil]

ok, got it, thanks, I will not go out of my way to send more sewage there, I will bottle it and feed it somewhere else

[orchid pilot]

I mean, you should be sending all your sewage there

except what you need to power your batteries and heavy forges

it's just that it kinda sucks for now

I'm hoping for an increase in conversion in future update but who knows

[grizzled trout]

as in you funnel both lines into 1 pipe for 1 inlet and do it again for the other inlet? So 4 lines in total? :(

[blissful anvil]

so is there a suggested way to make use of that extra effluent? like "best use on this" to get some tiny profit at least?

[keen river]

i just merge it into my effluent line

it saves some pittance of xiranite every so often

[blissful anvil]

ph

[orchid pilot]

Jockomoron has a setup where a fraction of it is incorporated into the standard optimal current setup (14.75 SC batt, half heto, etc)

[blissful anvil]

oh

[pastel orbit]

its 4 to 1 ratio

[orchid pilot]

Yeah, if you do it right, it should essentially just throttle your xiranite consumption ever so slightly lower

but note that it needs to be not an all-in-one system with solid xircon, because it would disrupt the sewage balance

i.e., can only be part of the heavy forge effluent feed, or if you have a shared system with split out reactions, that works too

[pastel orbit]

i would totally fuck around with sewege but protocol capacity is already massive pain in a butt

[keen river]

i have a dedicated setup for one of forges making heavy xiranite so i just merge it to it

[orchid pilot]

pipe logistics don't cost the normal building count at least, so it's only the conduits, and if you connect the between-conduit sections with 80m pipe, it's not too many

[orchid pilot]

yeah this is definitely the easiest way

[keen river]

essentially i merges in the production, recycling and now test area's recycling

so it just decreases the reactor's consumption

and thats about it

[green sleet]

Wut.

[orchid pilot]

funny, the cn there was more like "mysterious"

[pastel orbit]

yeah as much as i love industrialism
you will never see me doing massive overground sewages pipeline

[orchid pilot]

they really play up the chen and tangtang bits in en localization

[orchid pilot]

to each their own, all fair ways to play!

[pastel orbit]

however i love to make obscure ziplines

[grizzled trout]

got it via conduit + converger, tks

[upper fiber]

uh oh, people are lazy now, my delivery slaves won't work anymore

[keen river]

i would need to setup the zipline network to do those delivereies

couldnt be assed to do it yet

especially the girl in pillar area 1 needs a zipline since its impossible to reach her without jumping

i wonder when we will get lvl 4 outposts in wuling 🤔

also anyone know when next version upgrade will hit?

18 days? 🤔

[uneven aspen]

check the battlepass days remaining

[velvet hemlock]

A lis full of wuling jobs? What da fudge

[uneven aspen]

probably just haven't gone setup zipline network

though it's relatively simple this time

[ruby sorrel]

it's not connecting

[marble yarrow]

smh

[keen river]

also huh

lvl 3 outpost added some weird fence on the east of marker stone's aic area

so now you cant place pipes there

tf

[pastel orbit]

Please clarify what is that you dont understand please.
If you ask why forge is making half of the heavy xir.
Is because Purification plant that supplies it work only half of the time.

[orchid pilot]

No worries, I'm pretty bad at finding pings. Good luck with thesis!!
Probably better to ask @tame sedge directly, but I assume that purifier moved out of position is intentional to have the factory layout futureproofed for future additional ferrium (allowing us to run full hetonite production, i.e., all 8 shredders / 8 reactors / 2 purifiers), but temporarily changing it to half due to ferrium restriction for these two weeks or so.

I don't know whether Jockomoron actually runs this directly in game or this represents portions of the factory placed elsewhere in-game (i.e., whether they are doing the heto prod at Marker Stone or have conduited acid all the way to wuling main AIC). I think either approach is fine (I do the former; not happy dragging pipes/conduits around)

also missed this - didn't realize you were running slightly over dense ori steady-state, that makes perfect sense
also my calc was off by 2 and did not consider the purification node effluent.

Thanks for the breakdown!!

[velvet hemlock]

People are using the purifier already?

[keen river]

💀

[orchid pilot]

there are people who pre-dragged pipes since the 1.2 preview video

I kept hoping they wouldn't force us to do that, so I only dragged pipes once we heard from Asia

[rare moon]

did the outpost update make a wall like in v4

[ruby sorrel]

this pipe is really stuck..... I can't even change it

[shrewd knoll]

it's ok, arknights quantum pipes will do its thing

[keen river]

sort of but not really

it fenced of a rectangle east of outpost

and nothing else

no idea why

[ruby sorrel]

it finally worked cus I complained on discord

[valid gazelle]

That is a good spot to take a photo of the base too.. and now it's fenced

😭

[keen river]

yeah

no idea why they did that

[craggy oyster]

it f over my plan for markerstone

cuz now i cant put pipes or purr there anymore

[valid gazelle]

I had to spin my base

[tame sedge]

This is kind of my base. Yes ,I run acid from Marker to Main. In this sim I removed that purifier and added stashes to turn my full heto line into half, just for demonstration. I added stashes to keep the sewage flowing.

This is all just concept in sim, but it is similar to what I run in the game. In game I run half Hetonite line and full syringe A line. With dense originium transfer that lets me do 14.75 SC easily w/o fluid from Test Area.

[keen river]

i think i will just leave the unloader in the fence

it doesnt look too bad

[valid gazelle]

It still works

[keen river]

i would need to spin the base and rebuild bunch of pipes

and possibly redesign some stuff

[valid gazelle]

Not bad..

[keen river]

it looks ok, but if you delete it you cant rebuild it

kinda sucks

[valid gazelle]

Yep

[keen river]

oddly enough you can clip buildings through, just not pipes

[valid gazelle]

What's annoying is how an npc fishing at the pond blocks my piping

[keen river]

there is a new dude here eh

[valid gazelle]

Do you want to become a fish yourself ? Get out of the way

Yep

That's the one

[craggy oyster]

they might move tho

only the fish guy is permanent so far

[keen river]

there i fixed it for now

[shrewd knoll]

gotta catch his next fish wife

[rare moon]

inb4 they throw in a random dock

[keen river]

rotating that base will be quite annoying

its just slightly so larger than max size

plus it will probably error out anyway

[rare moon]

ok my conduits are 4 sets per fluid

[keen river]

on the other hand if i rotate my base i could get rid of the acid conduit altogether and just connect the pipes directly 🤔

since the reactors would face the acid source

[hoary crag]

I mean tbf I do get the vision

water gets sucked

so does fishes

he just hopes he catches one along the way

[craggy oyster]

been like this since release lol

good luck catching any fishes

[keen river]

they moved bunch of npcs around with the outpost upgrade each tme

[craggy oyster]

yeah

[hoary crag]

should I start making tetonite bottles?

[ruby sorrel]

I can't believe this is working

[craggy oyster]

to add more lively to the outpost ig

[ruby sorrel]

I think I'm 1/3 of the way to main aic

[craggy oyster]

it work too

[keen river]

the corporate needs you to leave teto's swirls in peace

[hoary crag]

ngl I logged back in

and I'm in the core aic area

[thorny galleon]

What is the inlet/outlet manifold useful for?

[hoary crag]

and had a minor panic attack since I only log out outside of dijiang when I still have stuff to do later the same day

[keen river]

long distance piping

[thorny galleon]

does it.. have a longer pipe?

[hoary crag]

otherwise I log out on endmin throne

[keen river]

its 200 meters, yeah

[hoary crag]

good thing factory's still fine

[thorny galleon]

Doesn't the original pipe have a length of 200m?

[ruby sorrel]

it's just double the pipes

and fatter

[craggy oyster]

pipe haev 80m length, can be extended with spliter converger or bridge

[ruby sorrel]

pipe splicing

[craggy oyster]

but it take facility count

[hoary crag]

basically same facility, but with double liquid capacity

[thorny galleon]

Im talking about the manifold with the two ports versus the original with one port

[thorny galleon]

So I tink I'm looking for this answer

[craggy oyster]

oh it basically two in one

[keen river]

its just a big pipe then

4/s instead of old ones 2/s

[rare moon]

is the fence jumpable from anywhere like if you use a depot

[craggy oyster]

btw if u connected conduits and 1 is in ur base u can keep the connection even if u move somewhere that more than 200m distance

so better put one conduit to the edge facing ur other conduit

[keen river]

no, its way too high

also it changed the height of logistics stuff on the border 😔

[hoary crag]

imagine

[rare moon]

could prob put a zipline inside by overhead aic

[hoary crag]

isn't it still accessible on top view

[random estuary]

Is there a way to can burdo muk yet or not yet. Manual only

[rare moon]

but idk an elevation where youd access the zip

[craggy oyster]

right on time lol

[keen river]

it is, but it doesnt allow you to drag pipes through the fence

so for all intent and purpsoes, its useless now

[random estuary]

At that point, might as well conduit it back home

[keen river]

essentially the east side of outpost is useless out of bounds now

[craggy oyster]

i got lazy and set up temp storage

it seem to fill way faster than i thought

i thought it last for weeks

[random estuary]

I was going to do that. But fluid bank and conduit store the same size. So. I just ... Started piping

[craggy oyster]

One conduit should be enough right?

[hoary crag]

ic

[brittle sedge]

Not completely

[hoary crag]

I mean...

[brittle sedge]

Use logistic at the wall line to connect 2 side

Then you can use it as normal

[random estuary]

If you mean length, buddy.....
If you mean capacity, yes. 6 x 2 in x 1/30 conversion still puts it under 1 full conduit??
(Right?)

[brittle sedge]

Or forbidden tech

[keen river]

i guess i will rebuild the marker stone tomorrow 😔

need some better layout anyway

[hoary crag]

best of luck ig

may the optimization be with u

[keen river]

i could rotate it but im not sure if i want the depot wall next to road 😔

it looks ok back since you cant see it but eeh

[blissful anvil]

About manifolds and water output. I'm working on the Hetonite line and I'm feeding the Refining units water using Manifolds. I understand Coprium needs 1 unit water, does that mean a Manifold can sustain two Refining units, two per outlet when you have two Water Pumps feeding the Inlet that feeds the Outlet? Each outlet in the Manifold Outlet releases 2 units per second, right?

I meant, 4 refining units per Manifold, my bad

[hoary crag]

yeah the depot lanes being on the exposed side feels so wrong

[keen river]

the fact that crucibles are directional is also super annoying

[undone current]

its should be 8

[brittle sedge]

8 refineries per manifold
normal conduit can do 4

[keen river]

so you sort of need to have the input on the side

but if you put acid input from the lake side, then item input must be from road side -.-

basically needs to be like this

[blissful anvil]

8 per manifold is crazy good, makes thing easier, I never understood how to determine the number they can sustain, so far I've just being adding more water when water seems to run out lol

[craggy oyster]

Shiet

[undone current]

1 fluid/2s processing time

[hoary crag]

rip

[keen river]

i guess i could swap the hetonite and xircon 🤔

if hetonite is next to river, then i can feed acid in the middle to it

it might actually be feasible

[hoary crag]

pipes have a capacity of 2/s

most facilities process liquids at a rate ot 0.5/s making pipes accommodate 4 facilities

manifolds have two pipes

[pulsar willow]

why don't people use double conduit to transfer sewage to test area

[hoary crag]

although a common mistake is people assume that pumps also give 2/s, which is pipe capacity.

where in reality pumps just give 1/s

[keen river]

no idea, i do it with the large conduit

although i actually split it into two small conduit around the entrance

[tawny shadow]

ah.. the pain of piping..
this is why bottle is the goat

[keen river]

one goes to marker stone and other to aic core

[craggy oyster]

easy self extender

[hoary crag]

chat, am I delusional for thinking a sub-pac can fit in one of the open areas in there

[keen river]

not really

[valid gazelle]

yes you are (it's not flat)

[keen river]

i doubt we will get map expansion in that direction honestly

shame we cant walk on those fields tho

the test area is super small thanks to it

[craggy oyster]

aight it work for now

i'll make it pretty someday

[pulsar willow]

nothing is more permanent than temporary

[valid gazelle]

wdym ?

[cyan forge]

Btw can regular conduit connect to manifold?

[craggy oyster]

not me man, not me

[valid gazelle]

yes

[cyan forge]

Oh, didn't know that, that's interesting

[keen river]

its bit pointless, but yes

[valid gazelle]

its not tho ?

cuts down my pipe logistics

[cyan forge]

^

[valid gazelle]

instead of merging pumps

[keen river]

well yeah

in that way, sure

it basically cuts the splitter/merger on either side

[valid gazelle]

and it saves space

[craggy oyster]

at 1st i thought manifoid can store 2 diff liquid and i can link to 2 other conduit for seperate use

but it not the case

[valid gazelle]

nah that's just 2 conduits

[craggy oyster]

yeah 2 pairs but one inlet so it only 3

sadly it not work like that

[cyan forge]

Manifold still only hold 500 liquid, yeh?

[valid gazelle]

and it looks better

no need for curves

[valid gazelle]

yep

[cyan forge]

Noted

[craggy oyster]

this is wasted

[keen river]

technically it can hold 1000 since each side holds 500

[craggy oyster]

at least link 2 pumps each side

[tame sedge]

I dislike how the graphic for the manifold makes it appear there is open space adjacent to it

[keen river]

?

[tame sedge]

Ive been fooled too many times

[valid gazelle]

i.. sure ?

[golden minnow]

Does anyone have blueprints for The Wuling Factories? I havent played for a few updates and theres just too much stuff id have to change about my factories

[tame sedge]

I want to route something in between

[thick matrix]

Do I need to vent the sewage out of Xircon production? It clogs when I dont, but runs out of sewage when I do....

[keen river]

ah

yeah

it doesnt fill entire square

[tame sedge]

It tricks me

[valid gazelle]

you can always turn to https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1484103575381737634

[sharp island]

Honestly i want the manifold but 2 seperate

[valid gazelle]

and look for more stuffs in the blueprints forum

[sharp island]

Saves on the building limit

So i dont have to make 2 conduits

[cyan forge]

Does manifold and regular conduit expel the same amount of liqud btw?

[valid gazelle]

manifold doubles that if you are using both pipes

[cyan forge]

Or does it just depend on how many pipe line i use

Ah hm ok

[valid gazelle]

it comes down to pipe limit

[sharp island]

The output is the same but u have 2 outputs

[valid gazelle]

it doubles

[sharp island]

Why do they have pipe limits smh

[cyan forge]

Remind me what's the pipe limit for sewage is

[valid gazelle]

it is 2 conduits squished together

[sharp island]

Ye

Im really annoyed they have pipe limits

[golden minnow]

Yeah ty, noticed it shortly after. Good thing this exists

[sharp island]

Let me build my pipe hellscape in my factory

[valid gazelle]

that damned fence forced me to spin my factory

and now i have this monstrosity

[tame sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/duckers-duck-gif-26558327

[nova pilot]

Just cause it looks a bit off right? We can still place there?

[tulip tinsel]

The acid is no problem since I just today connected acid from test to core

[valid gazelle]

at least it looks like a proper factory now

[brittle sedge]

embrace the wall lol

[valid gazelle]

the damn wall

[craggy oyster]

Oh wait

[tulip tinsel]

Why does the heto 50% bp unlead hetonite bottles? I would think plain empty amethyst bottles made more sense?

[brittle sedge]

you can still build in it, just need some more work

[craggy oyster]

so the wall is from upgrading the outpost to lvl 3

ppl can cheat it then

[vital narwhal]

wait you can't directly pipe through but can still place building clipping fence? lmao

[craggy oyster]

what happen if we build 1st and up later

[valid gazelle]

it clips through

your stuffs can still work

but if you move them, then its all falling apart

[brittle sedge]

yes, and you can place pipe logistics at the wall to connect 2 sides

[keen river]

It only prevents pipes

[prisma halo]

What's the purpose of Electric Pylons again? I forgot.

[craggy oyster]

aww we misses the chance for horrendous build then

[valid gazelle]

spread electricity to machineries

[craggy oyster]

btw

[prisma halo]

So like relay towers?

[nova pilot]

But smaller and shorter reach

[valid gazelle]

no relay tower only expand your electricity grid (there's an upgrade but that area is small as hell)

relay tower > just like the name, it helps you connect far places
pylons > distribute electricity to machineries in a wide area

[prisma halo]

Ah ok got it

[keen river]

Tall towers have 80 meter cable length but only power adjecent buildings

[craggy oyster]

Can anyone tell me how much liquid this pipe gonna send?

no one reply me yesterday 😭

[keen river]

Short towers have 40 or 30 meter cable but power like 20x20 area

[valid gazelle]

damn even chinop is learning the pipe bending techniques

[craggy oyster]

wdym learn

i just dont fine anything that really need it

[vital narwhal]

idk the pipe jamming tech 😔

[craggy oyster]

now i need one

[valid gazelle]

im not good at pipe bending sry

😔

[craggy oyster]

i just treat it like belts logic

think of it like a belt, then how many item it gonna send then

[blissful anvil]

what is the ideal yield for hetonite? 30/min?

[brittle sedge]

64/81?

[craggy oyster]

Yessssssssssssssssssss

so my math is nor wrong

[brittle sedge]

y tho...

[keen river]

It should be 1/9 for each segment

[valid gazelle]

ah good morning Hx2 sensei

[nova pilot]

Try inputting it into a separation unit then check the yield to get the accurate /m

[craggy oyster]

64/81 = 0.79~ 0.8

[valid gazelle]

but y tho..

[keen river]

So its 8/9 and then 64/81

[craggy oyster]

almost idea for a crus and puffifier loop for making heavy xir

[valid gazelle]

wait are you trying to reuse that effluent ?

[craggy oyster]

yes

[keen river]

Although the bottom sefment has different shape

[valid gazelle]

ermm.. highly recommend you not..

[keen river]

So it might be different from 8/9

[craggy oyster]

nah it just rotate 90 degree and diff placement of the bridge

It alrready in my build, just the data not clean enough, and enkad cant render it somehow or i just dont know how enkad work

[craggy oyster]

why

[valid gazelle]

is this your current heavy xyranite ?

[vale topaz]

wonder if you guys also thinking about purifying xircon waste from a solo heavy xiranite and from crucible with xircon fluid from test area.

[valid gazelle]

at full efficiency ?

[craggy oyster]

yes

yes

[valid gazelle]

aight

you are breaking the balance of a perfect ratio

[vale topaz]

purify the xircon waste and add it into new crucible for xircon

[valid gazelle]

just a warning

[tame sedge]

Yes this is what i do

[vale topaz]

i see, already have spot for it.
it just... annoying to do train conduit

[tame sedge]

Yes absolutely

[green sleet]

I did a dedicated line to see how fast itd go. Its slow as hell lol. Only needs 1 xira input

[craggy oyster]

it like 95% tho, not really a lost and it not clog since yesterday

[vale topaz]

maybe i'll wait till devlog to see if we can get a tool for transporting sewage rather the current train of conduits

[craggy oyster]

i might tweak it somemore for closer 100%

[valid gazelle]

but now you see...
instead of 1 sewage that can create 1 effluent + 1 inert (which is 1/4 of effluent)
you turned that 1 sewage that is slowed down into 1/30 of effluent

you lost 29/30 of an effluent + 1/4 effluent (which is the 1 inert)

[atomic maple]

when will hypergryph realize that putting a level up AIC quest behind a sidequest is the fastest way to make someone not give a shit about that sidequest itself

[valid gazelle]

backlooping the purified effluent from test area imo is highly inefficient

[craggy oyster]

u cant compare that tho. to get 1 eff + 1 inert the price is 1 xir

[valid gazelle]

we are overcapping xyranite tho ?

[green sleet]

But its a fun little task to accomplish

[valid gazelle]

ye.. but the facilities before the effluent gets slowed down

and .. i dont think that's a good achievment..

[craggy oyster]

so 1 xir vs 29/30ish + 1/4 eff

[swift steppe]

I've been worried about overflowing on Heavy Xiranite with just the new crucibles.

[green sleet]

They do? Mine've been running full steam

[craggy oyster]

yeah it not slow down at all

[golden minnow]

any reccommended ones i can copy that work EU?

[valid gazelle]

i dont know

[valid gazelle]

just let it build up

[green sleet]

I have 6 cupri + hetonite sewage going from cardio to the test area lol

[valid gazelle]

its painfully slow, but it is there

[craggy oyster]

the hold back is cuz it's 0.79 instead of 0.8 and some pipe delay that i cant calculate

[hoary crag]

that's quite the diagram lol

[vale topaz]

heavy for 2nd outpost stock bill
sc for 1st outpost stock bill if your sc usage beyond 1 thermal bank

[valid gazelle]

the problem with backlooping effluent from test area is that you now have 2 problems to solve:

1. You lack the use of sewage which reduces inert and slows down everything before it
2. You lack sewage if you cut it completely, which reduces inert and effluent gain

[craggy oyster]

this show how "slow" it is tho. 15 points of data include 6 of 12 aand 9 of 11 which average is 11.4

[valid gazelle]

sure if you want your copium to run at 95% ig..

[craggy oyster]

so it 95% ye

not want lol

[atomic fiber]

btw have anyone calculate if
6/min Hetonite, then use the leftover Ferrium on scw battery, then use the leftover orig cubes at lcw.

give better stock bill or not?

[craggy oyster]

i will add some more pipes

[valid gazelle]

isnt that your objective lol.........

[valid gazelle]

simplest and easiest to understand

[wide hound]

Dear stranger, thank you for this zipline up here. Now I can go anywhere and conquer the world

[craggy oyster]

that gonna be hard but i have whole part of the base up here that i can use

[valid gazelle]

i really want to see how backlooping that into a heavy xyranite / SIRcon line would work but logically it will slow down everything before it

especially copium

[craggy oyster]

why xircon here?

[hoary crag]

fair enough

[craggy oyster]

that's for 2nd heavy xir tho

[valid gazelle]

so its just better to have an independent SIRcon line that takes the extra bit

[pulsar willow]

why do you call it sircon

[valid gazelle]

you need sewage to make effluent to run the heavy xyranite at 100%

[pulsar willow]

copium I understand

[valid gazelle]

like i said... its a healthy balance

at 100% efficiency

[craggy oyster]

yeah it from hetonite line

[valid gazelle]

and now you are giving it 105% effluent so of course everything before it has to slow down to turn it back into 100%

[pulsar willow]

I reuse sewage from hetonite

[brittle sedge]

back loop would make balancing sewage a nightmare
i have given up on it

[valid gazelle]

because you ARE breaking the balance

how are you supposed to maintain balance.. while breaking it

[craggy oyster]

no lol, extra sewage send back to bottle and to be unbottle once i cap all sewage liquid to send to purr node

[pulsar willow]

https://tenor.com/view/revengence-status-metal-gear-rising-gif-26737879

[vale topaz]

why is everyone love playing with their pipes and belts ?
no wonder hyperglyph giving that limit to say 'make it simple'

[valid gazelle]

and now its like you're taking sewage AWAY from the system so what's the point... ? of pushing in extra to take some away....

[tame sedge]

Using it for SC will be more stockbills, but either way probably reaches outpost cap

[brittle sedge]

theoritically if i can split sewage to provide just enough, then its possible
but the split number is so odd

[tulip tinsel]

I have placed the entire thing now

[craggy oyster]

well instead of bottle inert i bottle portion of sewage in this case

ig

[valid gazelle]

and it goes back to my logic of
cutting 1 sewage which can be turned into 1 effluent + 1/4 effluent
to gain 1/30 effluent

[atomic fiber]

#1495816858350125066

[valid gazelle]

its such a deficit

[vital narwhal]

let's break it down like this:
you can achieve similar output with backloop effluent via utilizing the xiranite savings elsewhere
however, to actually use this xiranite, you'll need another crucible and line anyway, so you arguably could just have independent line directly integrate with bonus effluent versus lowering machine utilization on the mainline while also necessitating overflow valves on cuprium refining

[valid gazelle]

and this is not taking into account of the potential effluent supply from purifying the inert

because sewage usage reduction cuts down inert too

[craggy oyster]

hmm

[valid gazelle]

im not saying that you cant.. its just the deficit of backlooping from test area is so great

it just.. doesnt make sense

it breaks the entire production line

[novel nest]

the outpost bills production doesnt keep pace with our goods production anyway

it legit does not matter

[valid gazelle]

it just makes more sense to have an independent line to catch the little extra bit

[atomic fiber]

you back loop on the one that use xiranite only. as such it only slow xiranite usage

which is heavy xiranite forge

[shell hinge]

Power demand is really going up huh

[novel nest]

...honestly im pretty surprised that cardiac got as small of an upgrade to bill production from lv3 as it did

[valid gazelle]

wuling poor

[novel nest]

like we're just shy of 60k/hr now i think?

[atomic fiber]

how

[pulsar willow]

what are you building? A turret array?

[novel nest]

which is less than 10k from 1.2.1...

[shell hinge]

I just have the basics

No capacity for anything else sadly

[novel nest]

wha

[pulsar willow]

"the basics" he says

[novel nest]

no turrets?

if you just have zips + facs set up you shooouuuuld be eating ~5.9k

[rancid drum]

do test area facilities treat inert xircon effluent as well or just sewage?

[atomic fiber]

probably have farming tools powered too

[pulsar willow]

while consuming almost twice as much energy then most of us

[novel nest]

oh true ig

[ruby sorrel]

omg I think my pipe is finally done

[novel nest]

i havent used my farm since 1.1

[valid gazelle]

just sewage and it is more efficient for you to treat inert with purification unit

[atomic fiber]

Just swg

[shell hinge]

Proper afk setups for each alluvium fall under the basics

[vale topaz]

i still dont get why people are so into it.
if using many bridges to compact design, sure, space is important.
but to use splitter converger just to have certain output is just... space and protocol waste.
unless very necessary, i'll avoid it.
it's just to clunky.
except for 25/m belt due to how meta storage work.

[novel nest]

now that makes sense

[shell hinge]

So does the farm, especially now that rice is useful

[atomic fiber]

how you even achieve to that conclusion

[pulsar willow]

still shold be around 6K

[valid gazelle]

Typo* i edited to inert

Mb

[shell hinge]

Power is free, so it's not a big deal ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel nest]

tbf you dont really run into a protocol limit with it regardless

i have my PWM set up in jingyu where i have the most protocol to play with (running at 6.06kw)

and i have like

all my zips set up

[vale topaz]

i'll remain avoid it unless the 25/m belt due to meta storage

[novel nest]

i dont really use turrets except for tower defense because i have laev

[marble yarrow]

congrats, you have discovered that people have different ways to play

[novel nest]

fairs

[atomic fiber]

it so you don't need to change between heavy xiranite and normal xiranite. Basically if that success you will have your base being able to manage itself.

but eh... seems like the progress stuck, so no hope for that coming true

[novel nest]

yeah they havent figured out how to make it work yet

t b h after the facility inflation from 1.2.2 i dont really care for it

god forges of the sky take up so much space

[ruby sorrel]

checking the pipe and I'm running faster than the pipe carries sewage

[pulsar willow]

70% of main AIC are just forges 😄

[craggy oyster]

yeah ik witch this u can run everything at 100% of their capacity
So the choice here is to bottle 0.25 eff from purr machine or to bottle 0.2 sewage extra with 95% efficiency on h.xir
0.25 eff = 0.25 xir + 0.25 sewage

[shell hinge]

It's typically required to limit production and achieve proper resource allocation. For example, producing 3.25/min hetonite parts and 5.5/min yazhen a

[vale topaz]

i know some people love to self challenge to the point of mind boogling.
it's just odd

[craggy oyster]

wtf it isss a lostttt

[novel nest]

i went from having like ~60% of core aic filled with 100% of marker stone filled and 0% of sky king filled

[craggy oyster]

god damn bamboozed mechaniic

[novel nest]

to ~90% core aic ~95% marker stone ~80% sky king

[rancid drum]

will do

[shell hinge]

I think the only aic I have with spare capacity is marker stone

[rancid drum]

i just dump the water and xircon effl back into the river right

[shell hinge]

Main aic has plenty of space left but is at facility limit

[novel nest]

marker stone's protocol cap is tooooo low

[shell hinge]

I haven't run into it

My marker stone is 80% farms lol

[pulsar willow]

80-85% main, 60% sky king, 30% marker stone. Could compact it a bit more I think...

[rancid drum]

also can i merge the water and xirc eff from purification unit into one pipe and dump them using the same water supply unit?

[shell hinge]

Compactness is 95% useless in endfield rn

[ruby sorrel]

this part is so cursed

[pulsar willow]

:coolstorybob:

[marble yarrow]

true 😭

[vale topaz]

the one thing i can agree with is to display the protocol limite when opening the map / building aic / enter build mode

odd have to trst the number by deloying belt logistic

[nova pilot]

Nah. If you compact you'd have space for art

[shell hinge]

You simply run into other limits before space

Or run out of useful things to do

[jaunty siren]

Is this the max amount of ore income currently in Wuling?

[vale topaz]

yea that max

[shell hinge]

No

540/min originium

[pulsar willow]

that's why we build not only compact, but also try to save limit

[novel nest]

they have 540/min orig

[jaunty siren]

That's what I have. I just hooked up the new mining rigs, haven't updated the factory yet

[shell hinge]

Theoretical, not practical. Unless you haven't upgraded the depot nodes yet?

[valid gazelle]

1 pipe can only have 1 liquid at a given time so...

[craggy oyster]

can u send me that real quick. let see how many i can fit in my main base after abuse the 2 outposts

[ruby sorrel]

actually this part looks pretty cool too

you can't dump eff in the first place

[novel nest]

literally disconnected oh my god bruh

[nova pilot]

https://enkad.enka.network/?id=U1Q6k6s8s4K7F9

[hidden hornet]

No

[ruby sorrel]

it's going up so far with no pumps, endfield pipes are magic

had to do magic pipe bs cus I have no protocol for conduits

they better not patch this shit

[nova pilot]

I only have the full bp, didnt make a modular one for the dancing

Also something's wrong with the eyebrows if you look closely

[novel nest]

in 1.3 i just know theyre going to have some bullshit that just lets you store liquids in your depot

without bottles

[ruby sorrel]

it's too late for that I have pipes

[nova pilot]

Output too I hope

[novel nest]

YOURE RUINING WULING CITY

TAKE DOWN THE PIPELINE

[ruby sorrel]

it's not my fault they limit me to 350 protocol

[compact harness]

they are just going to have even more wireless pipes

[novel nest]

endfield did this to my beautiful walkable neighbourhood

[novel nest]

i really wish the farm was in jingyu valley

in the uh, farming area

[vale topaz]

wait till devlog, in case they will give new tool for liquid transfer.

[novel nest]

yeah i wouldnt be surprised

most players just wont touch purification nodes otherwise

[ruby sorrel]

endfield is improving your jogging path

[hoary crag]

finally, my finished core aic area

copium now leads to puri node

[brisk escarp]

should i worry about compact ness before or after i make a model setup?
wanting to make HC batteries and then buck A caps

[vale topaz]

good for energy saving tough... although the hard work is quite painful

[hoary crag]

and unfortunately, also missing a layer of the stash wall cuz I ran out of facility capacity while setting up conduits

[novel nest]

before and after

i wouldnt worry abt it

you will naturally upgrade your lines as you play

[pulsar willow]

do you not store the third line of sandleaf powder?

[novel nest]

unless youre just copying optimal blueprints

then you know the answer

[versed ermine]

man we really need a test grounds, its so annoying to try and make a new factory design when you know you'll be destroying your stuff beforehand

[novel nest]

yep

[ruby sorrel]

srsly this part was painful

[novel nest]

this is the #1 complaint i hear from people

[ruby sorrel]

the slope is so steep going down from the top to the aic path

[novel nest]

they dont like factory because touching it means you ruin your production

[vale topaz]

standard spacing should be enough, v4 is pretty straightforward since the bus depot is predetermined

[compact harness]

it would be so nice if there was a test ground

[versed ermine]

i wanna try to make a 7 forge in a sub AIC area but i don't want to destroy what i already have there nor i want to tank my production yet again

[novel nest]

i think a reason theyre not doing it rn is because it would be difficult to implement natural pools

[hoary crag]

fixed the stash wall issue

[novel nest]

but even then you can just make something like a protocol space that mimics the general area of an aic area

[upper fiber]

playing factory game mean you need to remake some since that's the new content they give out....

[versed ermine]

well, even in factorio the testing grounds is a mod, but not like space is the issue there to begin with

[pulsar cypress]

7 forges in subs need a very compact setup.

[ruby sorrel]

2hrs piping to save 40 power why

[vale topaz]

if they care, they can just use blueprint page, make it edit able and give play button....

[ruby sorrel]

I'm burning the same amount of batteries

[hoary crag]

if you're talking about the xiranite lines, I don't have to.

they're two sets of 3, which has no sandleaf powder surplus

[upper fiber]

well, if you're 'piping' and not 'conduiting'

[novel nest]

this works too

[hoary crag]

I source the sandleaf powder for the scw batteries elsewhere

[ruby sorrel]

piping

[brisk escarp]

nah i played too many factory games and endfield is itching that factory part of the brain

[hidden hornet]

What are you even doing

[ruby sorrel]

you think I have room for conduits

moving sewage

[hidden hornet]

Damn what a conundrum

[versed ermine]

my biggest problem right now is the stupid facility limit in the main AIC area

[nova pilot]

The eyes protruding is way funnier in my head

[trail mirage]

[hoary crag]

the 512 limit applies to the whole wuling city btw

[ruby sorrel]

they need to raise all the limits

[versed ermine]

i know, its even worse that way

[ruby sorrel]

good thing pipe limit is big and they're 80m long mostly

[marble yarrow]

please say im not crazy back then when this was my 2 pipes going to main aic

[vale topaz]

they eye part really ruin the model if not seen via top down : /

[marble yarrow]

y'all are eventually doing it right now 😭

[versed ermine]

i had to remove a lot of shit and even then i keep running into the limit every time

[zenith moat]

Why You need Pee Water to Main AIC?

[ruby sorrel]

my sewage pipe 😭

[hoary crag]

although tbf area facility limits could be another method for them to like

not spend way too much resources

[marble yarrow]

because all my production are in main aic, and i dont use my outposts

[hoary crag]

from a technical perspective per se

[novel nest]

then yeah i wouldnt worry about it

[zenith moat]

Oh you can do it with 512 device?

[ruby sorrel]

nah acid pipes are still crazy

[atomic fiber]

this is why i take acid from Test area instead. and make heto in wuling city

[brisk escarp]

alright so make a rough design and then compact it?

[novel nest]

v4 in particular gives you PLENTY of space

[novel nest]

yep

[marble yarrow]

of course

[ruby sorrel]

I don't have facility space to do everything at main anyways

bringing acid over would be pointless

[upper fiber]

space is still okay, limit is more annoying

[ruby sorrel]

fac limit is ~90 spare

pipe logistic limit is like 20

[novel nest]

holy shit hats off

i could never

[nova pilot]

Does the dancing balloon and plant decoration count on the limit?

[ruby sorrel]

maybe if I redo all my mining pipes without bridge props

no

maybe idk

they have a separate 10 limit anyways

[upper fiber]

what pipe limit? on main pac?

i never reached that on main pac, while on markerstone it is

[hoary crag]

128 pipe logistics, applies to whole wuling city

[ruby sorrel]

it's crap

[marble yarrow]

i already fitted the 14.75 SC here before while still in 512 limit.

but it will eventually kill my ferrium powder, and i dont want to reduce my 30/min hetonite at this moment until i 82k my parts and comps

[ruby sorrel]

yeah limit sucks

[hoary crag]

function isAtFacilityLimit(uid,area,type){
   facilityCount = getFacility(uid,area.id,type);
   return facilityCount === area.type.facilityLimit;
}

ngl I can imagine them having a similar function as this 😭

idk I just made this in like a min while farming thorny yazhen

cuz tbf

I think limiting the amount of facilities a player can have in a certain area does save a lot of space in the long run, especially at scale

[nova pilot]

I would 100% sacrifice the Automation Core even for 1 facility limit if given the chance

[vale topaz]

i believe the limiti is more toward their server capacity.
they still plan to do 2 region active while offline thingy

[hoary crag]

yeah

not to mention some facilities does require constant management

[ruby sorrel]

good thing pipe/belts are nearly free

230 spare

[craggy oyster]

the core can be utilized but it force us to build certain type of base

[upper fiber]

hmm i used 2/3 for pipes

[vale topaz]

i wonder if they willing to replace bridge with proper bridge landscape rather a logistic mechanic...

[marble yarrow]

bro thats 6 unloader spots 😭

[brisk escarp]

i assume for HC batteries i should have 6 shredders (originium) + 3 shredders (sandleaf) and 4 shredders (ferrite) + 2 shredders(sandleaf) per packing unit for HC batteries and same for like buck A caps for both sides?

[upper fiber]

14 loaders as well...

[craggy oyster]

we got more unloader than we ever need. it just u need to save every facility count lool

[swift steppe]

I think I shaved (HC Valley Batteries) to 12 ports with making the plant loops built into the production line.

[nova pilot]

Depot Bus and Port
6 Unloaders on both sides / Protocol Stash for Loading

[valid gazelle]

Are we talking about V4 ?

[vale topaz]

the sad thing about the core, most of the time it is shoved into corner or somewhere else away from production line rather become the heart of loader/unloader traffic

[valid gazelle]

[nova pilot]

It's just a huge Relay Tower for me

[valid gazelle]

[vale topaz]

the core does not generate power coverage too

[valid gazelle]

It looks like a minecraft bow

[ruby sorrel]

oh wait my sandleaf powder is negative gotta fix that

[valid gazelle]

If it does to the entire aic area.. it would be too easy

Ngl.. the pylons are nightmares to compact builds

[vale topaz]

just make it 2-3 grid wide is enough

[upper fiber]

hmmm 3 belts bridge 0 power or 1 belt bridge 1 stash 5power, which one better

[vale topaz]

even when put at the middle like that, notice how the core is just an accessory.
no port being used

[shadow void]

do you do everything in the V4 main AIC?

[vale topaz]

being aic core is just a sad life....

[nova pilot]

The visible power lines makes it a bit hard to see other facilities near it too

Looks cool on the overworld view I'll give it that

[upper fiber]

core is just for starter...

after that not much use since it is too big and not flexible

[valid gazelle]

Nope just the middle materials

[nova pilot]

Back then i was expecting a different core like one of the big Xiranite pillars

[valid gazelle]

No end product is being made in the hub

[shadow void]

I was gonna say, I'd like some of the mid products to be stored first, or atleast stored if it backs up

[tulip tinsel]

I am considering piping the sewage from marker to core instead of bottling

[rancid drum]

conduit manifolds transfer 4 liquid per second right? 2 liquid per pipe?

[valid gazelle]

Yep that's the whole idea

[valid gazelle]

Yep

[ruby sorrel]

maybe I'll upgrade to SC later even though I said it was too annoying

[rancid drum]

rn theres only 2 sewage excess per second, from 4 refining units right

[valid gazelle]

It depends right now we can run at most 8 refineries to balance with 240 copium

[rancid drum]

so if i used manifold instead of single pipe the second pipe is just in preparation for next patch

[valid gazelle]

But you need 2 for SIRcon, 1 for HXyra

So that leaves you with 5..

1 pipe can accommodate 4 refineries

[rancid drum]

well i got 4 refineries feeding into battery production and 4 being treated

[ruby sorrel]

actually I just need to convert the xiranite into xircon and it's SC right?

[rancid drum]

im gonna use manifold just in case anyway

this is to connect sewage to test area

[ruby sorrel]

but I don't wanna balance my ferrium

[shadow void]

I connected 1 manifold and 2 pipes/conduits, i just made sure i didnt have to touch it again

[valid gazelle]

4 into battery ? How much SIRcon are you making

[rancid drum]

wait my bad 2 sewage goes into zircon for battery, 2 sewage into Hxira

[shadow void]

I used 2 pipelines in Wuling, and finished the pipelines with conduits in Test Area

[desert flame]

i just realize the ribbon also has trimming?

[hoary crag]

hmm

[hoary crag]

1k repairs onwards

[desert flame]

thx for the info lol

[tribal crescent]

you can enter infinite freefall if you put depot buses on the border with the fences

tho

i haven't been forced tp back yet

[meager stream]

.worstgirl

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1470981037210337341/ezgif-2ae7fae77d7a0907.gif?ex=6a09db18&is=6a088998&hm=5b435791723bd70030908c485418df1e97f871b717253848dd4a04fd15ec7ddd&

[tribal crescent]

.bestgirl

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/angelina-gilberta-arknights-endfield-gif-11278654791925482718

[tribal crescent]

wow crazy bias

[spring elm]

lol

[meager stream]

.bestgirl2

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[spring elm]

.yvonne

lmao

[meager stream]

.gyatt

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[tribal crescent]

i like how seamlessly the music transitions between wuling and the institute of material sciences

[scenic mesa]

Hellnah my fangyi is worst girl

.worstgirl

[tribal crescent]

nice of them to have some touches like that

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1470981037210337341/ezgif-2ae7fae77d7a0907.gif?ex=6a09db18&is=6a088998&hm=5b435791723bd70030908c485418df1e97f871b717253848dd4a04fd15ec7ddd&

[tribal crescent]

is not much effort

but they do pay attention

[meager stream]

.bestgirl3

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/snowshine-arknights-endfield-snowshine-arknights-endfield-hug-gif-11846998382616902791

[tribal crescent]

?

where xira

[meager stream]

Fangyi: why DevHG why, whats wrong with me? share location & lets fkin duel 1 by 1

[tribal crescent]

tbf

[graceful otter]

Do you guys get your Xircon Effluent from Test area piled up in offline or i just miscalculated something? How fast it is if all Sewage inlets busy with 6/s?

[tribal crescent]

fangyi turned from peak mommy viceroy into "help me i'm stuck step endmin"

like idk what happened

[meager stream]

not worthed for me xD

[tribal crescent]

[limpid pawn]

a what now

[tribal crescent]

well in more normal words she turned incompetent for no reason

[meager stream]

30 sewage just for a effluent & you want connect em to main pac? big NO

[tribal crescent]

is just a clingy girl to endmin now

[tribal crescent]

why not

[tribal crescent]

is gonna be 6 eff/min soon

you will regret what you said today

[meager stream]

ya just go ahead if you want hahah, still much better puri unit (for rn)

[hidden hornet]

🫘

[tribal crescent]

is one thing since xira also has input from resident amnesiac

but like

she just loses her viceroy capabilities too

or sth

[tribal crescent]

say

will there be a problem if i have capped xircon

[valid gazelle]

yes

[tribal crescent]

damn

[valid gazelle]

your factory will start its selfdestruct sequence, along with countdown to create a singularity purely maintained by aether energy and it may even start a holy grail war

[tribal crescent]

jesse wtf are you on

[nova osprey]

i cast Excalibur