aic-factory

[upper fiber]

no enough water likely

[plush dew]

ohh so it’s like using too much xira?

[upper fiber]

your xira only produced 40/min

[plush dew]

waitt how do i fix it then T^T do i deadass make a proper base atp

i dont even know if i can produce the other gourd in time before the event ends

[craggy oyster]

1 gourd need 90/mins xir. that, equal to 3 Forges. u only making 40/mins. All ur xir not even enough for 1 gourd

[pulsar cypress]

Stop all gourd productions.
Place more xir production (6-7 forge) and let em all run full time.
To spam stock of xir at depot.

[upper fiber]

did you connect water pipes on the forge

[plush dew]

yes

[craggy oyster]

u need to get more forges in the AIC techtree, and then set up more xir making

[plush dew]

ohhh okay then

[craggy oyster]

how many forges do u have

[plush dew]

thanks guys T^T

uhm wait

[pulsar cypress]

°-°)/*pats

[valid gazelle]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[pulsar cypress]

U should have at least 6 forges that make xiranite at maximum production.
6 x 30 = 180/mins.

[plush dew]

4

oh my i need more

[pulsar cypress]

Go to the factory tree, unlock the node that make u can have 8 forges in max.

[bright zodiac]

finish story, get datalogger, unlock more

[craggy oyster]

4 forges ur xir should be 120/mins. ur current xir line is also under supply ig

[bright zodiac]

the last tree on wuling , need you to finish marker stone story

[plush dew]

this one?

[orchid pilot]

jade wins
working on the raw mat'l streams to demonstrate that these two are equivalent.
Left side is metax dense ori (which is superior), right side is metax ferri (since dense ori is unusable and raw ori is worse)

[bright zodiac]

go finish marker stone

[craggy oyster]

but set ur 4 forges to full speed 1st

time is xir , xir is gourds

[small creek]

Nice work

[plush dew]

Ohhh it unlocks another one it’s hidden

[small creek]

At least its not that far

[plush dew]

I will turn off my battery then bc it uses xir right

[ruby sorrel]

wow are you manual battery?

[pulsar cypress]

Try share screenshots your xira production. If you have 4 forge but 40/mins.. Its 10/mins each.
Something is wrong there.
Need to fix it first.

[ruby sorrel]

or is this making lcw for power

[final sierra]

hmm is this needed anywhere? 🤔

if we have item A in storage then block item B
if we don't have item A then give item B

[marble yarrow]

13.34% diff

[craggy oyster]

i mean with 4 forges, this should be 120/min. u only produce xir at 33% effeciency somehow

need to get that up 1st

[plush dew]

Ohhh maybe bc of my battery?

ill take pic of my main factory

[craggy oyster]

ye the forges too

[pulsar cypress]

I mean the setup in tour factory.
A screenshot like this.

[subtle finch]

would you look at that, @small creek is right

[small creek]

what

[plush dew]

last two pics are in sub aic

[small creek]

ohh thats 0/min SCW

[subtle finch]

wont be fair to not use the leftover xiranite, so i went with 1 forge in duty cycle

[craggy oyster]

put more plant in all of the planters

[ruby sorrel]

cursed numbers wow

[small creek]

I think all jade will still win cus you eat some battery for power

[plush dew]

Oki

[subtle finch]

i just went with the extreme, using all ori for sc first, vs all in jade

[small creek]

Yeap

[upper fiber]

6.714 jade from where

[small creek]

forge cycling i think

[pulsar cypress]

The other 3 xiranite didn't producting.

[subtle finch]

7 forge x 30 - 10

[small creek]

let the xiranite pile up then convert it to hxira for more jade

[solid quiver]

why didn't you include bats use for power

[subtle finch]

both can be powered with hc, and power cost can vary per person

[marble yarrow]

best to remove 1 SC (3200 power) to compare with full 3200 originium usage)

[subtle finch]

yeah, that's assuming free power

[plush dew]

Oh my youre right ty for that

[solid quiver]

it's still between 1.6~3.0/min

[subtle finch]

hc battery is free

[plush dew]

Wait is it supposed to be yazheb or jin

[plush dew]

Guys its now xira 117 per min

GETTING THEREE

[subtle finch]

qyurii just want to compare sc vs jade, and lanturn want to account for the rest of the raw mats
i think that answers the question

[solid quiver]

then wouldn't 2nd comparison have 1.5/min WSC?

[craggy oyster]

good. now u can spam storyquest to unlock +4 more

[subtle finch]

this is for the event only, so all min maxing methods are allowed, thus free power

[plush dew]

In the mean time i should turn off my gourds right?

[subtle finch]

you can make your own criteria

[plush dew]

As for the jade does it require more complex mats T^T

[ruby sorrel]

just pretend value beyond outpost regen doesn't exist unless it's going into comps

[small creek]

yea i was going for raw bill, didnt really account for power usage cus that can be basically 0 if u want to

thanks for your work

[paper magnet]

heavy xira caps out at 12/min right

[subtle finch]

oops, i forgot about the ferrium meta, but it still loses

[paper magnet]

i cant claim credit for this, i stole a setup from someone

[orchid pilot]

there's the raw material comparison to demonstrate that the two scenarios I outlined are equivalent
I forgot about the tiny 1.25 u/min dribble of ferrium in the status quo scenario

[plush dew]

120 LETS GOOO

If i dont finish this event im missing out on jades FAK

[upper fiber]

?

[upper fiber]

finish main quest maybe

[orchid pilot]

wait what

[south haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427889648482385972/1427889920625737748/RDT_20251006_2322151714089926932907542.gif

[paper magnet]

heh im in danger

[orchid pilot]

are you doing accounting for bouncing skyforge?

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message

[marble yarrow]

how did u get 12.143 jade gourd, if you cycle xira/hxira forge it should be more than that

[orchid pilot]

yeah I don't think our results should be different

[plush dew]

If i use this bp do i have to unlock every mining spot of the new ore?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/VQDONkpjGX

[orchid pilot]

unless the bouncing rate is drastically different between the 6 and 12

[solid quiver]

1 or 2 is good

[upper fiber]

can you make 1.5/min SCW instead of .143 jade?

[solid quiver]

no need to unlock all

[craggy oyster]

nah let it run. produce some gourd to unlock 2nd part of the event and then produce a better gourd

[orchid pilot]

uh, I think you should turn off base gourds

if you're playing catchup, you need all the heavy xira you can get

[plush dew]

Oh the new one uses heavy xira

[orchid pilot]

making base gourd now means fewer jade gourd once you have that set up

[upper fiber]

no hetonite yet likely

[orchid pilot]

hetonite runs fast

22.5/min can support triple line

hxira should always be the limiting factor

[subtle finch]

i just went with 5 normal forge + (2/3) forge x 30/min rate = 170/min of xiranite
170xir / 14xir per jade = 12.143, is that wrong?

[upper fiber]

dunno who made that instead of 1.5/min

SCW

[marble yarrow]

did you actually cycled 0-68k drain and replenish of xira?

[plush dew]

Maybe i should just let the base gourd run for one day till i can only max out the oro in the shop since thats all i need

[upper fiber]

need to cut down the yazhen though, ferrium overuse

[orchid pilot]

metax

[subtle finch]

i based it on this, to assume that's how you get a near lossless duty cycle

[upper fiber]

manual cycle

[subtle finch]

yes prof 😭

[craggy oyster]

u can trade using the 2nd part of the ev item. but u have to make certain gourd 1st to unlock the quest for it

u should just make gourd til then

[marble yarrow]

where will you be getting your effluent if you do that

[subtle finch]

so what can we conclude with this?

[marble yarrow]

this is the better way

[upper fiber]

do as you like

[orchid pilot]

yeah 2/3rds is way too high

[marble yarrow]

i fill 68k xira, then i full blast hxira

[upper fiber]

as long it is surplus

[orchid pilot]

it should be based on the ratios of the surplus during accum and drain during depletion

[subtle finch]

i based everything from raw mats, then work my way up, assuming everything is self recycling inert

[orchid pilot]

accum is only 12 u/min

[plush dew]

Ohh for second phase no need to really produce the second gourd? It’s just for the sake of the quest?

[orchid pilot]

depletion is ^yeah 72102u/min

[velvet ledge]

what are the important stuff should you be producing in valley 4 endgame?

the ones not in kyostins blueprints

[bright zodiac]

v4 ads be like

[upper fiber]

what is kyostin bp

[small creek]

my conclusion

[bright zodiac]

[subtle finch]

what rate should you be getting there?

[small creek]

I lost the plot right about after you posted your table

[marble yarrow]

im getting 4000 hxira for 105.6 hours of 1 cycle

so +0.632 hxira/min

[craggy oyster]

there's 2nd shop too. u get more rewards making the 2nd item.

[subtle finch]

i think there's a perfect ratio somewhere
the only thing i can conclude is dont just sell all jades, and save for auto conversion first

[orchid pilot]

duty cycle percentage heavy

[marble yarrow]

yep 94.44 x 11.11

[storm garnet]

what did i miss

[upper fiber]

nothing much

[craggy oyster]

event math fiesta

[marble yarrow]

bouncing forge aight you patent that one 😭

[bright zodiac]

its ok, if you made jade gourd, move on, dont look back.

if you dont have jade gourd, hop in

[storm garnet]

btw, i'm about 1.1k into of 1.7k gourds i need to craft as surplus before stopping making them

not that big a surplus, but might as well stop it if i'm online by then

[vale topaz]

ignoring about other player bp.
have a stack of

• refined originium
• amethys part
• ferrium part
• steel part
• chryston part
• bomb
  before moving on into other production line, those are required for facility construction or in game puzzle ( bombs ).

main production is HC battery, 18/m will use almost all of the originium.
the rest will be buck A / citrome A to use the ferrium.
last will be buck C to use the amethyst left over

[velvet ledge]

i seee

[orchid pilot]

ok wow

[velvet ledge]

so max stack of those 1st

[orchid pilot]

I guess the duty rates between the 1/2 and the 2/3 scenario are different enough that accounting for it does actually swing the pendulum

[velvet ledge]

those are still useful in wuling right

[vale topaz]

yeah, the parts and refined orignium + bomb.
yep, still useful in wuling

[bright zodiac]

most of them do NOT need max stacks at all, only couple thousands works

[subtle finch]

yeah this graph seems to add up
can you bump depot size to infinity?

[marble yarrow]

you remove 1 SC since max jade uses 3200 power from originium

[pulsar cypress]

Second gourd need heavy xiranite and hetonite rock if you have it in stock.
Its a lot more valuable than the normal gourd.
For sell and emptying the event shop.
Better fully make jade gourd and not making the normal one.

[storm garnet]

i don't even have enough space in valley to do everything AND make 18/min food a

my food a is below 12/min atm

[bright zodiac]

you just want some to craft some facility

[velvet ledge]

this gud enough?

[storm garnet]

also, i had to remove my food b after i got 80k on both

[orchid pilot]

yeah, I just added 54 * 1.5 u/min = 81 at the bottom to account for the power

[marble yarrow]

aight you did the other way around, great!

[vale topaz]

around 10k for safety.
80k if you want to fire and forget. ( mine was set with permanent ferrium/amethyst/steel part production )

[storm garnet]

i should remove the carbon line instead, i don't need carbon in valley lol

[orchid pilot]

oops sorry I forgot to take xira out from right side

there we go

[marble yarrow]

yeah 0 net xira

i'll be spending 2nd half of 1.2 to go back to the auto-bouncing forge 😭

[storm garnet]

yesterday i got max scw cause of using gourds and it fucked up everything in wuling lol

[jovial breach]

so it's extra 0.63/min heavy ?

[orchid pilot]

honestly, that's a big part of the reason I decided to go for big funny number (@ Etrexum)

[upper fiber]

did people math heavy xira = jade?

[orchid pilot]

we're comparing the scenarios of saccing batteries for more jade gourds, whether it comes out ahead in stock bills

[jovial breach]

well yes and some heto but you always have surplus heto

[marble yarrow]

14M bill copers

[storm garnet]

what's the point of making more than 9/min gourds?

[subtle finch]

so what's wrong with my 12.143?

[orchid pilot]

memes or hoping for end conversion

[subtle finch]

am i bad at math

[orchid pilot]

12.14 would be ~1% uptime of triple forge

[jovial breach]

sunday price

[storm garnet]

the devs already said it was just outpost conversion in an ingame mail lol

what more do you guys want

the cope is so high here lol

i guess there is nothing else to do

[orchid pilot]

tbf the en language makes it sound like not outpost

but cn reads to me like outpost so that's what I'm expecting

but yeah it's just

what else is there to do

[orchid pilot]

the language in question is "stock bill limit"

what is that limit

[storm garnet]

it clear as air

[orchid pilot]

14M believers interpret that as 14M holding stock bill limit

[storm garnet]

"goods not yet traded to the outpost"

[orchid pilot]

cn describes that instead as "exchangeable" stock bill limit

[bright zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/died-of-cringe-anime-cringe-dies-from-cringe-aharen-san-wa-hakarenai-gif-25337087

[orchid pilot]

goods not yet traded to the outpost doesn't define it as an outpost limit, just refers to anything in inventory / stash / depot

[marble yarrow]

source

[storm garnet]

you right, the devs need a source!

[orchid pilot]

anyway

we've rehashed this over and over lol

[storm garnet]

it's fun lol

[marble yarrow]

show the statement

[bright zodiac]

i still believe its not depending on outpost bill (it will be very ridiculously .... bad)

[storm garnet]

just did

[marble yarrow]

ah you just misread it

[bright zodiac]

yeaaaa

[marble yarrow]

fair

[bright zodiac]

[storm garnet]

lol

[orchid pilot]

[bright zodiac]

everyday, the debate will turn into 50% 50% gamba team

[storm garnet]

[marble yarrow]

why would the auto convert even need to consider your outpost

[orchid pilot]

honestly, it's excellent bait for both haruna and me

[vale topaz]

since 1st dev stream , under impression the dev value moderation and non hoarding attitude.
it was when they talked about the recycling center.
they said about 'if already maxed, no need to gather them.'
so if the gourd sale will be using outpost stock bill, that will be in line with their attitude.

[orchid pilot]

will spin us both up on the opposite sides

[storm garnet]

i'm prefer to go with the option that allows me to not touch the factory much until the new update

[jovial breach]

first time ending the week with 13m

[marble yarrow]

aight you prefer less playtime

[storm garnet]

i already play too many hours every day

[pulsar cypress]

Leftover Gourd = bills + cert, if outpost empty to full cert when event ended.
The remaining certs still exchangeable later coz shop remains there for a while.

Thats all right?

[velvet ledge]

wait wdym by cryston part here

[storm garnet]

btw, i was at 13m today but bough the 10m deco

[bright zodiac]

and me, coz we hoard and we spend our resources and pretty sure they are also many others who HOARD and spend those and go all in

[storm garnet]

basically, this event only thing was allowing me to buy the deco lol

[hidden temple]

sell prices are nice but was forced to buy 125 with these prices today

[storm garnet]

well, it helped me to catch up to buying the gear things even at -75% discount

[vale topaz]

that thing, only for the 110 range zipline right now

[hidden temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1468579087340802249/1497216926449926226/xaihi-mrbeast.gif

[bright zodiac]

DAMN,i guess my 0.1% still A BETTER CHOICE HERE lmao

[orchid pilot]

omg wait

LMAOOOOOOOO

it has the scam pic embedded in xaihi's screens

that's incredible

[jovial breach]

should have bought them since tuesday

[plush dew]

Which megabase is better kyo or xlice

I feel like kyo

[storm garnet]

mine

[plush dew]

Yea imma trust kyo with my life

[plush dew]

Where 👀

[marble yarrow]

"megabase"

[storm garnet]

in my game

[hidden temple]

instead of the spare 1-2m after catalysts weekly we've been hitting like 4m surplus since the AIC event started
so after 2 weeks of it we should already have saved enough for the golden lung

[jovial breach]

why mega base

just build normal

[plush dew]

Bru idk i just searched bases in yt thats what showed up

[craggy oyster]

im force to buy lung or unuse ticket 😑

[storm garnet]

my factorio 1.1 save megabase

[marble yarrow]

use mine

[storm garnet]

this game is like a factorio tutorial

[jovial breach]

does mega base here mean all in 1 main aic or like, just max endgame yield

[cyan forge]

hm if u r consuming 1 battery every 10 min, it doesn't show up in the aic report?

[craggy oyster]

ngl this does look like factorio screen lol

[storm garnet]

recipes are complex for a beginner though since the patches

[cyan forge]

[marble yarrow]

they might meant max yield

[orchid pilot]

I don't know that this channel has much experience with bp designs from content creators, except from helping people diagnose botched attempts at implementing bps

[plush dew]

Max endgame yield from what i saw in the vids

Cause they used all aic

[storm garnet]

just endgame

basically, what all your bases look like after you are done building

with max yield

[marble yarrow]

megabase with map census

wait i can outsource the pumps for hulu cave

[craggy oyster]

imo. xlice is better. His has more room to manuver around, while kyo stick with one specific build

[marble yarrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/vegetta-smirk--k01KR84W75EREC52M43S6RDVVFT

[plush dew]

ohhhh okay then

[jovial breach]

max endgame yield

(make no sc)

[orchid pilot]

bruh

making v4hc in wuling is a loss

it's worse than just burning ori and making yazhen/jincao c

[plush dew]

How about iwintolose

[jovial breach]

that's my base lol

[storm garnet]

poor ori

[craggy oyster]

didnt watch him yet

[storm garnet]

just transfer some to valley

until event is done

[craggy oyster]

but he probably same with kyo

[storm garnet]

most bps are the same yield/usage, so just search for bps that are small

[jovial breach]

i mean all are the same max yield it doesnt matter which one you copy, for me i would go with whichever one has least power comsumption

or the one with the most spare space

that also is good

[small creek]

or the one that is easiest to understand

which almost always happens to be kyo's

[paper magnet]

for hetonite

[small creek]

even if its not the most efficient

[plush dew]

Rightt i love his vids very easy and simple to follow

[paper magnet]

1 cuprium line = 1 cuprium liquid right

[vital narwhal]

IWTL is trolling with his base design, he uses 100% sandleaf for xiranite, lowkey triggering when he's guide maker

[storm garnet]

iwtl is braindead quick youtube slop

[small creek]

It comes with the drawback of not being as efficient as it can be

[storm garnet]

being like that for years

[small creek]

But i guess u have to cut somewhere

[craggy oyster]

brave move to make a guide using that lol

[plush dew]

Ohhh ig ill use xlice for now then o7

[small creek]

Not like theirs is more efficient either

what im trying to say is

guidemakers make easy to understand bps, not max efficiency ones

[storm garnet]

yeah, just search bps with consumption and space in mind. and you should know how the yield numbers work beforehand.

[vital narwhal]

i'm not familiar with all of them tbh, I only know about what iwtl's looks like because I saw it on an account I was helping and I had to know who committed this crime

[small creek]

using one of them is basically just a matter of picking your poison

I remember kyo's 1.0 bp that was producing HCV on the side

While its easy to understand, it was definitely not efficient

[craggy oyster]

i dont like those "produce everything" base

[storm garnet]

the best way to make people understand how the factory works is to just make a single line from the beginning to the end, and the game itself already teaches that

[brittle sedge]

yet...

[plush dew]

Fangyi’s gear uses the cuprium right

[jovial breach]

for your fyi before the event i had like 4.3k power consumption, half of the main aic plus half of markerstone subpac free space

[valid gazelle]

no

[storm garnet]

heto

the new xira one

[valid gazelle]

Fangyi using cuprium gear is significantly weaker..

[plush dew]

OH YEA heto

Got it

[valid gazelle]

itr ied that before switching to hetonite

[storm garnet]

there is an alternative with another chest instead, i dont remember which one

[warped delta]

Should call all of you the Super Mario Bros for how much spaghetti I see in here

https://tenor.com/view/hunter-x-hunter-gon-freecss-killua-zoldyck-food-dinner-gif-17656595

[jovial breach]

can swap for xiranite arm over slab

if you dont start with ult

or if you need more than 1 ult

[storm garnet]

i'm not the right person to ask to indentify spaghetti cause when people say "oh, look at all my spaghetti" i just see super organized factories

[paper magnet]

something feels wrong here

what do i do with the acid from the purification machine

[valid gazelle]

i dump it

back to where it came from

[orchid pilot]

you can loop it if you're careful to make sure it doesn't clog back to the purifier

or yeah, dump it

[storm garnet]

just dump it, less risk of something going wrong

[upper fiber]

there is no risk for looping back if you do it normally

[storm garnet]

i'm a satisfactory player, i don't risk loops, i have ptsd

[marble yarrow]

pump outsourcing 😭

[storm garnet]

damn, that capacity efficiency

[orchid pilot]

harunachan doing all this work and meanwhile I still can't bring myself to run the sewage/effluent conduits to test area entrance yet lol

[jovial breach]

Hydro rig minmaxing

[subtle finch]

@marble yarrow @small creek i'm so bad at math
i think this is accurate now

[marble yarrow]

damnnn 100k levels

[storm garnet]

meanwhile, i'm not making any food c and my ferrium is at 20k ore and cubes and powder maxed

[jovial breach]

Hmm for that 2nd setup wont you need a power source

[bright zodiac]

the power is 3200 free power and .... probably 1hc if you need more

[jovial breach]

Instead of making yszhen C i use the ferrium to make 3/min hcv

[upper fiber]

btw, why is heto part below 2 for the right one, what else itis used

[storm garnet]

i'll turn on the parts and bottles for now

[subtle finch]

maybe the 6.714 is not that accurate now... let me check that too, but right side is def correct now

[jovial breach]

Im just wondering how do you have enough power without making hcv

[orchid pilot]

more heto consumed by the gourds

[upper fiber]

oh the extra .6

[storm garnet]

battery consumption per day is not that high, you can sustain with manual transfers

[jovial breach]

manual transfer

[storm garnet]

you gotta do what you gotta do

[orchid pilot]

I think your left jade gourd is low and left yazhen C is high

[marble yarrow]

since the 12 jade is producing 3200 worth of power, you can remove 1 SC on the left side so they still comparable

[orchid pilot]

I have 7.05 jgourd/min for standard setup

yazhen C should be ~0.06/min since it's ~1.25/min ferri leftover and takes 120 for a full line (6/min), so ~1%

[storm garnet]

i was wondering why all this weird math, and now i remembered the 14m copium

[jovial breach]

Game has no content so we gotta find something to do

[orchid pilot]

yeah something is up with the ferrium sum formula

[pulsar cypress]

Time to rebuild wuling..

[orchid pilot]

your heto part and jade gourd ferri cons add up correctly to 22.5

so that plus 60+6.25 from batts is 88.75, so there should only be 1.25 left for yazhen C if total is 90

[storm garnet]

you know, just for you guys, i won't stop the gourd making before the event ends

even if asia confirms it's copium

[pulsar cypress]

Me also still making 6/m, asia.

[storm garnet]

1.7k gourds is a sacrifice i'm willing to make for you

[solid quiver]

4 days until minor adjustment in the AIC

then another 7~10 days until new patch

absolute boredom

[storm garnet]

that minor adjustment will probably make me have to delete everything. again...

[pulsar cypress]

Rebuild wuling using stash/tank pillar..

°-°)b

[solid quiver]

I will delete everything to rebuild to extend gameplay duration

it's still will be 1h at max

[upper fiber]

i'm wondering how they're gonna convert our stuff.... should be no MT at the event end moment

[orchid pilot]

what's MT?

[upper fiber]

maintenance

[orchid pilot]

ah

yeah I'm also curious how they will confiscate the gourds lol

[storm garnet]

mmm, i think some people here have some opinions about what will happen at the end of the event...

[marble yarrow]

i've hidden some of my gourds inside thermal banks, splitter, converger, item control port

[solid quiver]

magically everything will dissapear or will have a little hot fix download

[orchid pilot]

oh damn

I thought of thermal bank but not the logistics

[marble yarrow]

sadly i cant put them in turrets (they might become sentient)

[storm garnet]

if any of those actually work it would be funny

[pulsar cypress]

Oh.. Gonna do that also, maybe can save some for memorial items..

[paper magnet]

yay finally figured it out

[storm garnet]

my poor courtyard, it didn't survive well 2 heavy xira setup

[paper magnet]

i feel like ive overcomplicated this, sanity check anyone?

[vale bramble]

are you fr using it as fluid storage

[solid quiver]

that's it

I'm gonna fill that with sewage

[storm garnet]

yep

40k tank for free

[winged oriole]

I re-emptied mine on the expectation I'll have way too much xiranite later

[pure badger]

okay so i've already solved the problem as of now,

though, the issue lies in whether i log in the next day the Xiranite Effluent clogs up, and the entire thing stops working until i drain some of it

anyone got an idea of why?

[storm garnet]

can't use sewage or effluent to fill pools

[orchid pilot]

flud supply unit doesn't allow sewage dumping

[paper magnet]

you're feeding too much pisswater

i had the same issue yesterday

[upper fiber]

too much sewage

[orchid pilot]

looks fine to me. I haven't used in-line stash like that. Does it passthrough first until the downstream facilities are full, then start accumulating / belt-free transferring?

[upper fiber]

wonder how many times do i have to type that

[storm garnet]

are you making 15/min xircon per crucible, or 30?

if it's 15, you need half a pipe of sewage

[paper magnet]

yeap

i use this lazy setup for batteries

[pure badger]

okay i may need some elaboration on why the sewage could be the issue

[pure badger]

also how do you track that, i never checked honestly

[storm garnet]

if we consider 1 cuprium refinery worth of sewage as "1 pipe", then you need half of that, using a splitter

[upper fiber]

the passthrough one won't have sewage issue, so obviously the half2 one

[pure badger]

oh yeah i did that

i hook one pipe up to two expanded crucible

[storm garnet]

basically, are you feeding effluent from another crucible into this one, or are you making everything in 1 isolated crucible

[orchid pilot]

did your batteries or your xircon hit depot cap?

[pure badger]

neither,

[storm garnet]

pls don't use treatment for xircon, we have purifiers now

[orchid pilot]

😭 trashing inert

[storm garnet]

just treat sewage

[orchid pilot]

yeah, the battery inert goes perfectly into heavy xira forge after purifier

[pure badger]

yeah i have'nt really figured out what to do it with it yet so for now it's just goes into treatment as a temporary solution

[storm garnet]

ok, but don't leave it for long, you are wasting xira there

[pure badger]

yeah

okay so after looking at reccepies containing sewage, yeah, i think i see why it stops working now, thanks for the heads up

[orchid pilot]

uh, I can't really see why this would choke on effluent

[storm garnet]

yea, the point is to use the half a pipe from cuprium plus that sewage to make effluent

[vale topaz]

completely forgot about skport daily sign in

[pure badger]

though for what it's worth, half pipe is still too much apparently

[orchid pilot]

oh

[subtle finch]

calculating xiranite gain in duty cycle is a nightmare
i feel i went back to uni

[storm garnet]

it should be exact, so you might have a problem elsewhere

[pure badger]

idk really, cause i do have a splitter here

[fluid fog]

same, I always forgot time to time.

[storm garnet]

i would mention belt bugs cause i always like to blame them, but your xira and ferrium is topped up

[paper magnet]

if your reactor is clogged with waste, and xircon production produces waste, it will stall because you cant store any more waste

[storm garnet]

try to get rid of a bit of sewage inside the crucibles, so it's not at 50

[pure badger]

salr

[storm garnet]

when i get problems with my crucibles and they clog, i try to get them down to 20 or so

[brittle sedge]

where does this pipe go?

[orchid pilot]

these do not add up to 90

[marble yarrow]

i can actually outsource pumps here if test area comes

[paper magnet]

im doing that 4 reactor setup, if you're using 2 of the reactors to make the xircon itself then you shouldnt feet any waste into it

[storm garnet]

what do you mean not? you just need to wish for it hard enough!

[storm garnet]

i see you outsourcing all pumps before 2.0

then pipe limit start to become a problem

(says me with 1152 limit problem)

[pure badger]

it was to clear out some Xircon to make the thing run again,

i'm just leaving it there cause i'm still trying to adress the Crucible itself

[orchid pilot]

Right side yazhen C is also too high (ferri consumption adds up to 127.5)

[subtle finch]

[orchid pilot]

should be somewhere in the ballpark of this

[paper magnet]

is running 2 outs from a forge the same as running 1 out but splitting

just to make it cleaner ig

[storm garnet]

btw, total xiranite not being multiples of 30 is cause...?

[small creek]

yippee i lost

[subtle finch]

that's with ferrium meta right?
1 jade is 1 ferrium?
1 medC is 20 ferrium?

[orchid pilot]

yup, dense ori left and ferri right

your yield/usage 115 115 is right but yazhen should be uh

115-22.5 to achieve that, since 22.5 is always going to heto, regardless of where the heto goes eventually

92.5

that /120 * 6 should be the yazhen c rate

[storm garnet]

btw, reminder that heavy xira uses not 2, but 3 lines of xira + 1 of effluent (which might need to be another xira line too)

[subtle finch]

204 xiranite/min =(3*30)+(180/7)+(4*(14*(60/38)))
that's the duty cycle formula for 13.25sc with 6+ heavy
too long to explain

[storm garnet]

cause the heavy forge itself is 1 xira line lost

just funny things the devs makes us suffer

[orchid pilot]

effluent is counted as 0.8 because of purifier

[paper magnet]

in theory can i just have like 12 packaging units just running

i wont run out of the heavy stuff right

[orchid pilot]

you will

[storm garnet]

in average, yes

[orchid pilot]

depends how much you have stocked how long you can run it

[warped delta]

You can pass the acid thru the machines as well so you don't need 3 separate acid conduits.

[storm garnet]

3.8 lines for 1 line of heavy then i guess

[orchid pilot]

2.8

[storm garnet]

again, the forge for heavy counts as 1 xira line lost

[paper magnet]

that still requires like 4 pumps right

[storm garnet]

if you are making only xira and decide to make heavy, you are losing 3.8 lines of xira to make heavy xira

[upper fiber]

they count xircon eff from sc bat

[warped delta]

Uhh I think only 2 if you're limiting yourself to one purification unit. This is my setup:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1497045549809926184/image.png?ex=6a012fd0&is=69ffde50&hm=0a04538faec0584d524bd31930207f309be8b7745b702d68341da7bb92699e9d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[storm garnet]

you can't run that forever rn, that needs 240 cuprium

[subtle finch]

thanks for the correction, this should be it frfr, the conclusion didnt change from the last though

i just forgor heto part is depndent on jade and sc, and medc is dependent on the rest

[warped delta]

Sure, but we're almost certainly getting more cuprium with next patch, so I built the full thing out now. Doesn't hurt anything.

[storm garnet]

so, what i mean is... actual xiranite yield is 240, and every heavy xira line then uses 114

[upper fiber]

almost certainly...

[marble yarrow]

bro really want to spam expanded

100 power for single formula 💀

[storm garnet]

i already built 8 crucibles too, with 2 turned off

wait, expanded? why lol

[marble yarrow]

you can go 7 normal 1 expanded

[upper fiber]

hope the devs keep trolling us and don't give us more cuprium

[storm garnet]

i saw some people check the new zone and it had even more cuprium it seems

[warped delta]

I don't bother with the balancer nonsense, so 2 SC batteries is already 6.6k power and everything only uses like 5.8k so it's w/e

[orchid pilot]

there's the explanation of duty cycle

[upper fiber]

manualing stuff = more profit

[orchid pilot]

this is for turning the skyforge bouncing scenario into a straight averaged calculation

[marble yarrow]

wdym balancer lmaooo

[storm garnet]

you will need more power with the next update

99% sure

[jovial breach]

Manual transfer =

[storm garnet]

also, it's just a waste to have 350 extra power for nothing

[marble yarrow]

using normal reactor on cuprium is a no brainer 😭

[storm garnet]

plus they are a bit bigger

[marble yarrow]

bro just dont want to admit the mistake they placed expanded

[warped delta]

To be honest, I didn't even think about which reactor I needed and simply went with the expanded ones

[storm garnet]

at first i put ferrium powder in all 8 crucibles as if i was going to use them all to make heto lol

didn't notice until like a week later

[warped delta]

As I said, I'm not power constrained atm so

[marble yarrow]

the most lame excuse i heard 😭

[subtle finch]

@marble yarrow @orchid pilot
here's the duty cycle formula i derrived

[marble yarrow]

bro i dont wanna math

wdym we formula now

[subtle finch]

the P can sometimes varies if you need xiranite for external factor like 1.25sc

[storm garnet]

i dropped out of school, pls, no math

[orchid pilot]

it's thrown off by the battery scenario, I think

because the battery feeds its effluent to the forge

[warped delta]

The outposts are drained of bills, I've bought out everything in the store besides some of the sanity tokens, my artificing is done, and I have like 300 more art tokens. I don't feel the need to poopsock 85 ethers for no reason thx

[orchid pilot]

in my table I compensate for that by subtracting 0.2 * 4 * 30 from the battery xira consumption

[warped delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgU4Oum8SLg

[storm garnet]

factory games are the games where you can have more than 99 megaelixirs and that's actually your endgame objective

[subtle finch]

for the battery for example
13.25sc costs 106 xiranite, that's 3 forge + 16 xiranite remainder
i just set 1 extra forge to have a value of 16+14=30 xiranite for 1 heavy
that's what the P value is for

[orchid pilot]

ohh OK so price of heavy or battery

[warped delta]

I have Factorio Space Age, Satisfactory, Foundry, and Shapez2 for that... Endfield factory stuff to be quite honest, is very basic and clunky

[storm garnet]

what i like about endfield vs other factory games is the online factor

since the factory doesn't stop when i log off

so i have to manage it accounting for that

[warped delta]

I mean, you can run dedicated servers for Factorio and Satisfactory that keep chugging while you're logged off...

[storm garnet]

tbh, i don't expect to like this style of factory game forever though, i usually burn out of online games after a while. so far this game is ok

nah, i'm an offline player, i don't play on servers

[jovial breach]

Wait isn't that a normal thing for factory games

[storm garnet]

just saying is a novelty for me

[warped delta]

Never said you had to. You can run a dedicated server just for yourself to keep it running I meant

[lofty lodge]

Putting the jade gourd production to rest. Setting all production to normal mode.

[upper fiber]

newbie starting factory in 3.0 might be fun...

[storm garnet]

factory games are normally single player games. you save the game and it stops when you leave lol

[jovial breach]

Maybe the only other factory game i played is mindustry

[storm garnet]

it might be kind of a restart every major patch, like wuling was in 1.0 vs v4

[scarlet osprey]

ive played factorio and satisfactory
one of those is intensive and one is frustrating

[hidden hornet]

Welp that’s that I guess

[upper fiber]

playing with sewage

[scarlet osprey]

sewage is annoying

[hidden hornet]

Gross

[unreal palm]

Finally, acid reserve on Wuling City...

[scarlet osprey]

more sewage = factory clog
not enough sewage factory = dead

[warped delta]

Doing a bit of ferrium mining...

[hidden hornet]

Just right and it dies in offline

[hidden hornet]

Hmm something is off here

[scarlet osprey]

ah yes the offcam mining

[undone pagoda]

hey how many forges are going to be added soon

[orchid pilot]

4

[hidden hornet]

4

[undone pagoda]

thx guys

[storm garnet]

my space age save is mid-end aquilo. what i need to do now is make new city block bps for nauvis so i can leave my old base behind and start the megabase at last

[hidden hornet]

Np

Am I in the wrong server what is bro talking about

[scarlet osprey]

i dont get to space age
i dont enjoy it
id rather play deathworld

[subtle finch]

@orchid pilot you're basically right that the ferrium would be the winning factor

[undone pagoda]

how many forges do you guys dedicate to heavy xira?

[storm garnet]

i was debating not making city blocks, but they are so much easier to just copy and paste

[undone pagoda]

not including the one that makes the heavy xira

[hidden hornet]

2 but most do 1

[storm garnet]

i might make them 200x200, my 1.1 city blocks were 100x100

[undone pagoda]

ive been doing 2 so

[hidden hornet]

Oh

[undone pagoda]

ill stick to that!

[warped delta]

I was just teasing about how people try to go way too in-depth into Endfield factories when the true rabbit hole is Factorio

[undone pagoda]

2 lines of xiranite -> 1 heavy xira line yeah?

[hidden hornet]

I have six dedicated to h-xir

[hidden hornet]

Yes kinda

[warped delta]

Especially with 2.0 and space age where they have all the nice QoL improvements to wires/circuits and such

[hidden hornet]

You need effluent so that adds another line

Iirc

[storm garnet]

heavy needs 3.8. 1 is the heavy forge itself, the .8 is from the inert purification

[upper fiber]

we will talk about those games when they are free and updated

[scarlet osprey]

thing is the hetonite making right now is the gatekeeping of endfield
because its either you can read and figure it out or just give up and find blueprints

[hidden hornet]

Huh that shits easy wdym

[sacred mountain]

Would anyone suggest that I build the whole steel production line(including steel products) all in core AIC? Or should I separate it?

[hidden hornet]

It just needs 8 lines of cup

[scarlet osprey]

not all people are like you
not all players are smart nor a smartass

like you

[unreal palm]

All the gourd making was messing with my factory balance

[storm garnet]

just set sail into the ocean

[hidden hornet]

I’m far from smart I just understand the way heto works

[scarlet osprey]

and knowing gacha players
thats like 40%

[hidden hornet]

I can explain it if you’d like

[orchid pilot]

those unintuitive conclusions are why I pursued the raw material "value" calculations! So it would be easier to compare trade-offs without needing to define exaaact equivalent scenarios and go through all that lol

[storm garnet]

i pirated both factorio and satisfactory and played them a lot before i bought them

[scarlet osprey]

im not talking about myself im talking about the playerbase

ive been seeing people jsut straight up not doing factory and quitting

[hidden hornet]

You take the thing then shred it then feed it into a cruc then take the output and put it into a purifier then take that and put it in a cruc and add ferrium powder

[broken flare]

Is there any way to throw up piss? I don't wanna look at this

[orchid pilot]

Fluid Supply Unit

[hidden hornet]

Yes just dump it back using the water supply unit

[upper fiber]

converge it back

[south haven]

chat is this optimal

[hidden hornet]

Vague poster indeed

[storm garnet]

that's the reverse of optimal

[orchid pilot]

playing with fire

[upper fiber]

np till one is max depot

[orchid pilot]

5 different things that could clog the other 4

lol

[hidden hornet]

I’d liken it more to Americans voting for their current president

[south haven]

its fine

itll be fine

[scarlet osprey]

just dont look at it

[bright zodiac]

sure

its gonna be fine

[storm garnet]

it's just 5 energy, use more stashes

[bright zodiac]

[pure badger]

so like it turns out for some reason having the Conduits inlet and outlet clogged, makes them produce waste faster?, how does that even work

[bright zodiac]

with 1condition ofc

[warped delta]

I think the biggest thing is plotting it out on paper beforehand as it were. I find visualizing makes it a lot easier to see what I'm supposed to do. Especially if you write the list of inputs and outputs in total

[scarlet osprey]

minmaxing isnt really a casual players thing

such is the factory

[bright zodiac]

the word

"produce x faster" doesnt exist in arknight endfield

there is only "produce at max efficiency"

[pure badger]

okay so like

before i drain the waste Conduit inlet and outlet i was suffering from the waste going into the crucible being too much for consumption despite already splitting it in half

yet somehow after i drain the thing to 0, the input and consumtion rate of waste are equal?

[orchid pilot]

all pipes dump at 2/s if they have excess

[pure badger]

i have no idea how that works

[storm garnet]

pipes can have the equivalent of 2 refineries at the same time on them, so they will work at x2 speed if they are full even if connected to 1 refinery

[orchid pilot]

if you have say, two refiners running steady state sewage into conduit, you'l pull it out at 1/s

[warped delta]

Which honestly is fair: Most people coming to gachas aren't going to be interested in factory sims, and HG isn't providing much content to use our actual characters on.

[storm garnet]

i should have told you that before when talking about the xircon setup

[scarlet osprey]

like imagine being a new player in 3.0 starting in valley 4
its either you figure the factory out or lag behind

[orchid pilot]

but if you clog it beforehand, it will dump out at 2/s until the conduit depots are empty

then it will return to 1/s

[scarlet osprey]

are we on 3.0?

somewhre

[storm garnet]

if the conduits fill up, you need to empty them before the xircon setup works fine

[bright zodiac]

the only thing you saw, is just temporary burst of pipe sending liquid at its max capacity until the burst is over

[upper fiber]

wait 5mins and we talk again about that... if it is still 0

[warped delta]

tbf Factorio may be 35usd, but the cost to entertainment value ratio is ridiculous bc you can easily dump a few thousand hours into it.

[upper fiber]

endfield 0$ and work the same

[subtle finch]

more than half a million discord members, and there's like a classroom worth of regulars here

[storm garnet]

endfield is not even close to factorio

[subtle finch]

[scarlet osprey]

it takes ur sanity

and ur 50/50s

[pure badger]

already tested, it's still 0

[scarlet osprey]

so no

[warped delta]

Or something like Dyson Sphere Program you can also spend 1000+ hrs in and its $20 even

[upper fiber]

yes2, i know it is harder, but i don't need it

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dyson-sphere-program-dysonsphereprogram-dyson-sphere-dysonsphere-america-gif-17053535628551571538

[storm garnet]

factorio has a free demo that is already decent compared to endfield

[scarlet osprey]

the americans wish this was theri logistics

[subtle finch]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-yvonne-arknights-hop-on-endfield-hop-on-arknights-gif-9505368565420287611

[warped delta]

unfortunately tenor doesn't have many DSP pics

[subtle finch]

but does factorio have this?

[scarlet osprey]

cept its jsut amazon with yellow piss bottles

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dyson-sphere-program-gif-20179547

[pure badger]

yeah that tracks, but like what doesn't make sense is the Conduits just, never stops being full despite working X2 capacity when it was full

[south haven]

behold: the nightmare

[marble yarrow]

conduit spamming 🤮

[warped delta]

fr tho, the first time you setup an outpost in the system away from your starter is a neat feel, then the first time you warp to another system to set something up blows your mind and feels so isolated until you hook it up

[upper fiber]

and what is the number of sewage on the crucible?

[subtle finch]

i'll pretend i didnt see that

[storm garnet]

wtf, rule34 factorio is all furries lol

[pure badger]

0-1

[bright zodiac]

cmon, the way you explain this

is already an answer for it

[scarlet osprey]

i wish i can minmax my factory more
but i hit 512/512 on wuling

[fluid fog]

KEKW.

[scarlet osprey]

devs fix this shit

[upper fiber]

how much input your conduit get? 2 pipes or 1?

[pure badger]

1

[upper fiber]

oh it is good then

[storm garnet]

you need the crucible to be working perfectly first, have the conduit empty, then you can turn on the cuprium refinery

[south haven]

i can technically find a way to cram dense orig powder in here

[pure badger]

yeah it looks like it's working properly now, but it's still kind of funny how that works

[upper fiber]

it is interesting your conduit can get clogged though

[storm garnet]

you know, convergers are supossed to reduce things, not multiply them

[upper fiber]

either not enough water or xiranite now

[warped delta]

okay its almost 3am here and I wanted to get in a bike ride tomorrow before the storms hit so gnight

[bright zodiac]

👌

[storm garnet]

just a matter of order of how it starts doing things

[fluid fog]

gud luck

[subtle finch]

bro is yuru camping irl

[south haven]

what does that mean

[storm garnet]

if the ratios are correct now, the only problem you will have now is the belt bug with xiranite, for which i recommend 2 xiranite belts per crucible

[hidden hornet]

Belt bug?

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/midousuji-yowamushi-pedal-midousuji-akira-anime-yowapeda-gif-4067203936971485942

[storm garnet]

you are using a ton of conduits for the inert instead of merging the pipes

[storm garnet]

when offline, belts are a bit slower than they should be

[hidden hornet]

That’s not a bug that’s just bad coding

[storm garnet]

same thing

[hidden hornet]

Okay

[upper fiber]

can i see what is the inside reactor looks like now?

[warped delta]

The issue is they're not actually running the factory when you're offline bc they would be wasting server processing for everyone that logs out and never returns to the game. So when you log into the game it takes a look at the last time you logged out and does napkin math to catch you up

[south haven]

uh wuh

[warped delta]

And unfortunately the napkin math isn't perfect

[subtle finch]

go to bed

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/yuru-camp-laid-back-camp-rin-shima-shima-rin-gif-1778571497992011778

https://tenor.com/view/shima-rin-yuru-camp-sleep-gif-27052571

[jolly shore]

So far we have Green Yellow and Red Fluid, how long before we run out of colors and start making white fluid?

[hidden hornet]

That’s already a thing

[hidden hornet]

Oh

[broken flare]

Kinda late, but what about like Xiranite water?

[hidden hornet]

What kind?

Inert or uh I forgot the name

[storm garnet]

jincao is white, but they didn't let it be white on most places cause it would look like c*m

[broken flare]

I think any kind of Xiranite

Because, like, is there any pool of Xiranite?

[storm garnet]

dump the xiranite water too

[broken flare]

Like Inert Xircon Effluent

[upper fiber]

what is your ferrium (powder) usage?

[broken flare]

Where, tho?

[hidden hornet]

Inert can be purified or treated and the other can be used for h-xir

[storm garnet]

any place with water

[hidden hornet]

He is lying

[broken flare]

So I can purified it back to water?

Is that what you're trying to say?

[paper magnet]

got my 7 reactor working

sure hope i dont have to touch it

[hidden hornet]

No it’ll turn into the non inert kind

[storm garnet]

you purify the inert and get effluent and water, and you dump the water

[hidden hornet]

Oh yeah I use the water for my cup lines

I didn’t realize that’s what they meant

[storm garnet]

i use that water and split it, most for making food and whatever is the overflow goes into dumping

[solid quiver]

that's damn sad

[pure badger]

i'm guessing Half depot?

i never actually calculated

[storm garnet]

that looks healthy with all the vegies

[hidden hornet]

It needs a full line

[bright zodiac]

i have no word to explain everything about that

[upper fiber]

you can check your aic report for ferrium ore yield and usage

[shadow void]

now fill it with red fluid and cry in pain

[jolly shore]

shrek juice

[pure badger]

does it? the thing is producing like one Xircon per 2 seconds, so i'm fairly sure going a full line would just top it up

[upper fiber]

full line is for xircon eff passthrough, half2 isn't

[storm garnet]

2 seconds is the normal rate actually, i think you mean 4 seconds

[hidden hornet]

You do you I guess but for a 30/m setup it needs a full line in

[storm garnet]

it's a 15/min setup

[pure badger]

last i checked when i still had full line doesn't look much different than this

[storm garnet]

2 seconds means the belt is full

[pure badger]

hmm

i see

[storm garnet]

belt speed is 1 item per 2 seconds

as most recipes are

1 per 2 seconds means 30/min btw

[subtle finch]

[storm garnet]

i know, exceptional lvl math

[subtle finch]

every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes

[hidden hornet]

Bruh

Fr

I didn’t know that’s

[storm garnet]

we are getting close to the nobel here

[pure badger]

yeah, i'm not really sure, if that's the case

cause the belt is still going half and only the powder is going up

[valid gazelle]

People die when they are killed

[storm garnet]

yea, you are making 15/min, aka 1 per 4 seconds

[valid gazelle]

Such wise words

[storm garnet]

powder is 30/min, so it's fine to split it in half

[pure badger]

bruh, so i misunderstoof

[valid gazelle]

And then we have this dude

[bright zodiac]

stating the obvious while making it like "wise word" of the year

-putnamehere
-2026yearhere

[storm garnet]

though you can fill it with 2 belts and then use the third belt slot to go to depot, so you make sure it's always full of ferrium before it goes to depot

[solid quiver]

"People die when they are killed"

[hidden hornet]

Or just blatantly lying like American politicians

[bright zodiac]

🤝

not gonna lie, it happened to most country

[storm garnet]

water is wet, but let's not talk about politics

[hidden hornet]

Water is not wet

It makes things wet

[storm garnet]

don't bring politics into my water

[bright zodiac]

🙏

[subtle finch]

i make things wet too

[upper fiber]

by sweating

[storm garnet]

water makes itself wet - me

[bright zodiac]

yo dont bring your fluid pump here

[dreamy jungle]

[hidden hornet]

I dunno man weed is great

-sun tzǔ probably

[lofty lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drinking-water-sprinkler-cute-acting-cats-gif-2956221476473120606

[bright zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-two-darling-in-the-franxx-anime-bath-water-gif-17542350

[paper magnet]

whats the theoretical max xicon this patch again

is it 30 or 60

[hidden hornet]

60

[bright zodiac]

67

[paper magnet]

i gues im using too much xiranite

[bright zodiac]

60

[hidden hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[bright zodiac]

[storm garnet]

actually about there

[subtle finch]

66.25

[paper magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[hidden hornet]

Better than mine

[storm garnet]

well, you can make more xircon, but ori won't make it usable and it will just fill the depot

[paper magnet]

i have this setup rn, should i not be burning so much xira?

[storm garnet]

if you are at 0 xiranite, you have to stop the double heavy xira

unless you have liquids

[hidden hornet]

Well considering it doesn’t even work then uh yeah you should fix it

[storm garnet]

well, you still need 2 lines of solid xira directly

so yea, just go back to 7-1

[hidden hornet]

12 xir out what is bro doing

[paper magnet]

aight

cut the other half for now

didnt think it'd deplete so quickly from a full stack

[storm garnet]

yeah, it's like half a day without liquids stored

maybe 1-2 days with liquids

[valid gazelle]

[vale bramble]

the magnum opus of my AIC is complete

[valid gazelle]

ooh looks nice

[vale bramble]

can't wait for it to become obsolete in like a week or two

after test area releases OR next ver

[valid gazelle]

nah who cares about that

its fun rebuilding

the factory is the best thing you can do during these content droughts

(Pls gimme IS i beg)

[storm garnet]

nah, don't worry man, it will become obsolete in less than 4 days

[valid gazelle]

the factory i prebuild for 1.2.2 is already obsolete

before its even born

[storm garnet]

i just want another outpost in the test area to get more space to build and also avoid piping everything there

insert gif of kratos asking ares

[atomic fiber]

how many of you gambling on gourd stock piling?

[storm garnet]

not me

i'll gamble 1.7k gourds to make coppers happy

[rocky niche]

not really gambling in my case, just that outpost dont have enough bills to trade with my gourds

[solid quiver]

sell until outpost drains

[rocky niche]

also, what happens to certs when event ends and i already bought all in event shop?

[solid quiver]

save the excessive

[atomic fiber]

i mean like stockpiling on valley IV

[solid quiver]

if it happened to not 14m I will use that fruits to get credits

[atomic fiber]

unknown. might just go puff

[solid quiver]

they will just expire 7 days later

[vale bramble]

i forgot to spend my certs, thanks for reminding me chat

[storm garnet]

there is already a 100x credit pack in the event shop that is basically a way to use your excess event credits, but it's still not enough

[vale bramble]

[rocky niche]

after event shop closed is when test area opens

[rocky niche]

already bought that

[solid quiver]

no

it will stay open for few days even test area dropped

[rocky niche]

event shop ends on may 13, test area opens in may 14

[storm garnet]

event be like "get 1 million credits to but all the shop, and if you want, another million to buy some normal credits"

[solid quiver]

no

[storm garnet]

after that, just f u i guess

[solid quiver]

event recipe and jade gourd will expire at 13th

[storm garnet]

event shop is still open a week after the event ends

[solid quiver]

for few days you can still use fruits to exchange

[storm garnet]

it's just the recipe and the quest that go away

[rocky niche]

i wonder if we could trade fruit certs for tangtang certs. both are certs anyway

[solid quiver]

you can check that in events calendar

[regal fulcrum]

what factory do i need to put to extend this?

i made a very long line

[upper fiber]

pipe bridge

pipe converger

[azure sparrow]

add a splitter

[upper fiber]

pipe splitter

[regal fulcrum]

thankyou

it works

[hidden hornet]

Guys I’m new what’s better to produce yazen or sandleaf in valley four

[nova saffron]

anyone had problems with reactors, for some reason my factory was working fine for days woke up and found no power and the reactors were clogged where the xircon effluent wasnt flowing out of the reactors randomly. Just stashed and placed the blueprint again and it worked fine for another day.

checked my ores and supplies and all yield is higher than usage its just for some reason the pipe bridges keep clogging for no reason

this pipe bridge specifically

[tepid wigeon]

using pipes for color for base art is actually base-d af

[subtle finch]

shouldnt be a problem, unless you capped your cuprium parts or sc battery in depot

[vale bramble]

in short, is the reactor near the red circle not outputting xircon fluid

[nova saffron]

cuprium parts capping back up the system?

[valid gazelle]

Gonna credit this to @dreamy jungle for the design

[nova saffron]

each pipe has its own pump, the top line is for a plant farm so not part of the sc battery bit

[subtle finch]

yes, no sewage production if that cuprium parts stopped

[undone pagoda]

whats the heavy xiranite prod rate atm per min?

[nova saffron]

hmm, cuprium parts is baked in to it, i can shut that section off

[subtle finch]

either sell your cuprium parts, use them, or throw them away

or use cuprium for something else

[valid gazelle]

"throw them away" is thrown out of the window

[nova saffron]

ye ill trade to an outpost

[subtle finch]

usually 6/min w/ batteries
12/min w/o

[undone pagoda]

awesome ive set it up perfectly then

[valid gazelle]

What if I want 12 w/ scw

[undone pagoda]

ggs

[nova saffron]

i cant really place anything else currently because of this, anything i try to produce will take an ore deposit over yield rate

[pulsar willow]

You have a full depot

[upper fiber]

it is lower because you're capped

[pulsar willow]

Your factual yield is 480

[subtle finch]

best i can do

[upper fiber]

not 1.5 scw?

[rocky niche]

you cant produce yazhen in v4

[upper fiber]

that guy is old

[hidden hornet]

Sure you can I did it b4

[subtle finch]

yeah 1.5 prob, i forgor to update xiranite yield

[pulsar willow]

You can't place pipes in Valley 4

[rocky niche]

you manual feed with water?

[hidden hornet]

No pipes work istg

[pulsar willow]

What

[hidden hornet]

.bomb

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/endministrator-endmin-arknights-endfield-bomb-gif-3801526505005205420

[storm garnet]

You can do anything you want, you just need to dream it.

[pulsar willow]

.gethisass

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086699983769600/1434277626914017310/Get_his_ass.gif?ex=6907bea1&is=69066d21&hm=bd40aabb5a87693f5187ff200edd75fe42ea895c26dcbf88ce2671422e4e2ed6

[rocky niche]

i wonder, should i stop my jade gourd prod line now and switch factory back to normal? or should i still continue to hoard

[storm garnet]

If you have enough to trade for 3 days, you can stop.

[hardy tangle]

Did you found out the issue?

[nova saffron]

ye Hikari was right it was the cuprium parts hitting cap

[hardy tangle]

Ic, but that blueprint kinda handicaps you by cleansing out the inert liquid btw

[rocky niche]

yeet them in v4 depot is also an option

that 80k cap limit is big

[subtle finch]

consider making yazhenA or hetonite parts, those take longer to cap

[upper fiber]

wonder next week we will have 80k max depot as well on wuling

[rocky niche]

hetonite part takes longer

1 part = 5 heto

[storm garnet]

I bet we will have more than 80k in wuling in the future.

[rocky niche]

we already have rdl 12 in wuling, but still not yet maxed

[storm garnet]

The current delivery depot is maxed, so we will get another one, prob last zone.

[rocky niche]

which means more rdl to come

[tepid wigeon]

it's gonna go higher

[rocky niche]

need more depot nodes

[nova saffron]

have a little yahzen farm here but just the one, could place another one down and just turn it off if cuprium goes low

[upper fiber]

max rdl 13 is also an option...

[hardy tangle]

Also would strongly advice to not have your power banks connected to your production lines of batteries, cuz if something goes wrong with the production so does your overall power.

Might not sound as different, but if you have your batteries hooked from a depot output, it will take far more time for your power to actually shutdown due to a lot bigger inventory access to batteries

[tepid wigeon]

ngl I bet 14 or 15 is max

[rocky niche]

rdl20 💔

if we accounting for more outpost lvls

[storm garnet]

Tbh test zone might have delivery depot too

[nova saffron]

ye ill try and swap that, im over capping the energy so very wasteful having 3 banks

[storm garnet]

Let's hope

[upper fiber]

seems like not enough water on the right conduit?

[storm garnet]

Pipes can look half full even when working properly if they are not clogged.

Same with 1 pipe segments looking empty but working.

[vale topaz]

💀

[rocky niche]

isnt 1 fluid pump could supply 2 facility?

[vale topaz]

and then no mineral enrichment at rdl 20

[rocky niche]

right side has 3 facility connected

[vale bramble]

depends on how much liquid said facility eats

some crucibles running multiple recipes eat 1 water/s

[nova saffron]

ye i had a pipe splitting 3 from 1 so added another one seperately to make sure

[fluid bison]

low yield originium ore compared to theoritical whats the issue?

[nova saffron]

capped in stash probably, my optimisation sucks

[jovial breach]

Your depot is full probably

[fluid bison]

input shit directly into aic?

[rocky niche]

low yield in current compared to yield in theoretical?
either capped in depot, clogged in facility, or your rigs are low on water supply

[nova saffron]

just swapped this as was losing 1 SC and 2 LC batteries each minute for wasted power thanks for that. energy went up to 13k when im only using like 4 at max

[hardy tangle]

yeah the absolute max of the best battery you use is 2 at a time, and thats while having a fully decked factory

• combat deployment, etc

[dreamy jungle]

By the way, I didn't design this myself. I first saw it when Algo shared it, and ever since then, I've made it my mission to spread this artwork
#aic-factory message

[hardy tangle]

some ppl shrink their factories to use less, or use combos w other types of batteries, all up to the user, i did used some lower tier with 1 of the better ones back in the previous patch

[jovial breach]

Perlifumo

[nova saffron]

it was really bad i had 4 thermal banks having batteries feeding in to them

[hardy tangle]

yeah thats a big yikes

[nova saffron]

just dropped it to 1 LC battery and 1 SC and still have 1000 units of power still left over

[hardy tangle]

some ppl might have blueprints where they might put powerbanks "off" as reserve energy tho, but still, directly from production is not recommended

[fluid bison]

normal usage is higher than normal yield but theoretical data are other way around wth

i should probably mass destroy sub pac factory

[undone pagoda]

GGS

[valid gazelle]

We're chain-crediting now

[fluid bison]

THIS GAME IS RAGEBAITING ME

[valid gazelle]

I think you are ragebaiting yourself

[fluid bison]

what do i do?

i got one hc valley factory 6/min and another packed origocrust factory for gearing

[valid gazelle]

Looks like an unpowered rig prowling somewhere around here

[south haven]

Your rigs are underpowered

[fluid bison]

like?

[hardy tangle]

oh, thats power issue

check your lines

[south haven]

Check your aic battery
Is it at 0% or 100%

[hardy tangle]

i was gonna say to post a picture to get a better understanding

and yeah, thats just it

open map, seek red lines

or lack of green lines 👀

[south haven]

or being autistic and recall from memory

[fluid bison]

seem fine let me check map

[brittle sedge]

[hardy tangle]

your power connection from bases+poles into mining rigs

the bane of V4 and dragging that cable around

im gonna miss wuling when we leave it...

[fluid bison]

rig is working.... yeah that what they said

[rocky niche]

did you just recently deploy new prod line? you just need to wait few min (at least 10 min) until you see data. and if the usage vs yield is still same in your current data, then your recently deployed prod line might have caused that imbalance in data

[fluid bison]

ye just min ago