aic-factory

[nova osprey]

sorry left and middle*

wait no wrong order

[uneven aspen]

too late

[nova osprey]

left right then middle

[subtle finch]

well, it's your idea

[nova osprey]

because keep in mind that left and right of the splitter have distance of 2 while middle has distance of 1

[uneven aspen]

it doesnt desync

my original wuling 1.0 factory

had everything synced

also my final valley 4

included counting tiles so everything hit each units at the same time

👍

[subtle finch]

again, not worth entertaining, i dont see anyone else doing this

[nova osprey]

that's why i asked if this was ocd lmao

[brittle sedge]

i thougt my prisoner crucibles setup was ocd enough

[uneven aspen]

i stopped caring about it in 1.1 😔 but this time i kept seeing 1/m in my aic report occasionally so wanna make certain it will stay 2/m

[shadow void]

213,600/2 V4 stashes + 148,000 stored + 146,880 12/m producion = 401,680 Jade Gourds worth of Hvy/Heto. 48.2m Stockbills and 12m certs. Adding in Wuling stashes isnt gonna let you reach 20m certs as V4 only adds about 4m possible. You'd need 32.8/m Jade Gourd production to consume it all.

[uneven aspen]

though the reason i stopped caring was cause the crucible tax bug

[nova osprey]

sheesh

[frigid dirge]

1.5/min i see

[shadow void]

I didnt belt it all but its a rough estimate

[nova osprey]

that's 2/min

[frigid dirge]

[shadow void]

Not to mention the time needed for one item to reach the end

[nova osprey]

i mean technically if you're truly insane you can put down stashes outside of aic areas

[fervent lodge]

let them fill up, move them outside of the area with hold drag

repeat

[subtle finch]

if you're worried about belt lag, you can just send more than the unit needs, and not use splitters at all

[shadow void]

dangit, gues i could just add up the aic limit

[nova osprey]

aic limit + protocol limit

no need for relays when the entirety of v4 is shut down anyways

[subtle finch]

dont forget stashes in quarry

[shadow void]

Ehhhh, Ok, it may be possible

[subtle finch]

you can also store in mail, and on the ground

[nova osprey]

oh you could put stashes inside of qingbo stockade too

[frigid dirge]

instead of 2, just make 3

[shadow void]

I don't even wanna imagine the kind of person that would do all that tho

[nova osprey]

yeah they'd have to be a psychopath

[shadow void]

just stashing in the AIC area alone is crazy enough

manually placing items in all the stashs on top of that

But, I'll give it to you, 20m is probably possible

[nova osprey]

algoinde's meme works then

[frigid dirge]

[nova osprey]

actually wait hmm

[subtle finch]

it's possible, so y'all are getting kicked soon

[nova osprey]

nooooo

[shadow void]

[frigid dirge]

what possible

[shadow void]

making 20m certs

[frigid dirge]

buck?

[nova osprey]

actually it might not be possible

[shadow void]

666,666 Jade Gourds, at 54.46/m production

[nova osprey]

yeah that's not possible

update hasn't been out that long to even make that much hxira

[subtle finch]

it's your fault not stashing xiranite early

[shadow void]

no you are storeing that hvy elsewhere

[frigid dirge]

what yall talking abt

[shadow void]

thats what the stashes are for

[gusty wave]

Numbers are finally looking better

[nova osprey]

no you don't understand

[shadow void]

since we were able to make Hvy ?

[nova osprey]

1.2 will have been out for 4 weeks by the time the event ends

[frigid dirge]

12 day left so it might be not possible

[gusty wave]

Tho i could theoratically add a few more sc val farms

[nova osprey]

even if you convert all 240 xira to hxira (slightly more than 12/min) you end up with 509k

[subtle finch]

it doesnt matter, you could have stored effluent, xiranite, and inert to make heavy faster

20mil is possible

[nova osprey]

mayhaps

[shadow void]

Since the time we were able to make Hvy Xiranite

[frigid dirge]

68k xiranite no xircon no battery just gourd just give abt 7-8k

[shadow void]

whats the maximum production possible

[gusty wave]

IM NOT RUNNING OUT OF ORIGINIUM ANYMORE LETSGOO

[frigid dirge]

and u need to stack up so it not possible

[nova osprey]

without any stock, up to date its about 242k

if 12/min

[subtle finch]

we;re talking about jade here

[nova osprey]

yeah we're talking jade gourds not the one you're making

[shadow void]

I'm asking if you were to store 12/m Hvy Xiranite from the time we were able to make it, how much would we have at the end of the event

[nova osprey]

509k

4 weeks worth of 12/min

[shadow void]

Ok, literally impossible

[subtle finch]

i already answered that earlier, 7.2mil

[viscid plover]

LMAO i just noticed both region have same energy consumption

[nova osprey]

that's what i was saying

[frigid dirge]

its abt jade gourd, 1=10 so it not possible to making 20m

[nova osprey]

oh we weren't talking realistic figures

we were talking about insane figures for fun

[shadow void]

20million Certs, only need 666,666 Jade Gourds

[nova osprey]

i am so confused with what you mean 1 = 10

1 jade gourd = 10 certs?

[subtle finch]

1 jade 30 certs

it's 1/4th the bill price

[nova osprey]

i saw your image earlier, you're were posting about regular gourds not jade gourds

[nova osprey]

yeah, im asking what he meant bc i have no idea where he's coming from @.@

[subtle finch]

this was supposed to a be a meme

[gusty wave]

Is if safe to keep this running overnight?

[nova osprey]

possibly, depends on your factory

[lusty violet]

yea, modern day laptops are fine

[gusty wave]

Any way i can send it without the ui?

[nova osprey]

wait those are sc batteries yeah should be fine

[nova osprey]

[nova osprey]

UID?

[gusty wave]

No i mean i wanna send my aic

[nova osprey]

or just ui

[gusty wave]

But the ui takes up alot of the screen

[subtle finch]

[shut hearth]

By ui, i think they meant ui

[frigid dirge]

ok tf phase 2 need to do jade gourd?

[brittle sedge]

might not need, but recommended

[frigid dirge]

tf is jade gourd

[uneven aspen]

phase 2 recipe

[shut hearth]

Datamined info for phase 2 of event

[frigid dirge]

k yall need to be chill, there still time till phase 2 coming

[uneven aspen]

? aic is chilling

[brittle sedge]

precisely why we are planning ahead

[shadow void]

.event

[shut hearth]

Agreed, no way the devs made it difficult to get everything from event

[nova osprey]

you do realize this is the channel for insane people right?

[fervent lodge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1499057281835335810/image.png?ex=69f60c63&is=69f4bae3&hm=abbe1ca60a151af146c08ee288fb68e04d5e8e2d5454080a29bafd604f7a6e0f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=3070&height=1322

[shadow void]

sorry for the ping

[fervent lodge]

not datamined, it's all there in the announcements

[shut hearth]

Oh ok true lmao i just immediately jump to the recipe and how everyone here is talking about saving up heavy

[nova osprey]

there is some reason to be saving up hxira pre phase 2, and it's mostly so you can maximum amount of stock bills from the event as possible

but eh not really necessary

i just want an extra 21 mil stock bills because my wallet has been starving

[subtle finch]

12/min jade is already more than double the price of sc

[gusty wave]

Whats smt i can build in the wuling aic to get some bills overnight for the gear templates for lae and zf?

Wait a sec i cant even sell shit there hows that supposed to work

[brittle sedge]

need something new to buy

[subtle finch]

[nova osprey]

actually wait, is it even more efficient?

sc should be 1.125 bills per xira
gourd is 1.053 bills per xira yeah?

[gusty wave]

How do i unlock outpost management in wuling?

[nova osprey]

keep playing through the story

[shadow void]

12/m, times 60 minutes, times 24 hours, times 27* days (April 17-May14), is 466,560 Jade Gourds worth of Hvy Xiranite. So it is Impossible to make the 666,666 Jade Gourds to reach 20m certs.

[nova osprey]

you just unlocked the main aic, you dont have any outposts available to you yet

[gusty wave]

Oh lawd

[shadow void]

anyway

[nova osprey]

oh wait i counted an extra date

[gusty wave]

Its gonna be 1 am once im even ready to let allat afk

[uneven aspen]

hate the rule that says you need to do it at teh new outpost

[shut hearth]

.roadmap

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086659785580545/1493970217259368538/cal_en_US.jpg?ex=69e19070&is=69e03ef0&hm=052afddc6528aa38ffde70f70d0dbaf8ec00c26959f667bbbf0eaaa3b85f1da3

[nova osprey]

yeah sc battery is more efficient than jade gourd huh

[subtle finch]

yeah, the main issue is sc is tied to ori, while gourd doesnt need it

[shadow void]

i'll stick to my 18.09/m Jade Gourd production needed to wipe my stock. Assuming theres even a need to consume it all.

[subtle finch]

so gourd can use more xiranite that the sc cant

[nova osprey]

yeap

[nova osprey]

unless you're insane you can't

not doing that though lol

[shadow void]

lets keep it in the sane realm

[uneven aspen]

no space unless i wanna conduit acid to the main AIC and move hetonite

[nova osprey]

indeed
insane realm is fun theoretically but not fun practically

[shadow void]

I have my Gourd production in Marker Stone, but I really don't care to participate in events like that. My setup is 48/m there, but I'll be ripping half of it up shortly after Phase 2.

[subtle finch]

i literally need to make jade at 24/min in p2 to use up all my stocks
i guess im insane then

[shut hearth]

What

[nova osprey]

dw both a_z and i are in the same boat

[shut hearth]

How do u have so much stuff leftover

[nova osprey]

well for one we didn't make 16/min gourds or etc

at least i didnt

kept factory the same and focused more on hxira

other people stocked for longer than me

[shadow void]

How much do you have stocked up?

[nova osprey]

if you go for the regular gourds you're losing produciton which means you're screwing up your factory

[subtle finch]

i would have more if i didnt make 19k heto comp

[nova osprey]

actually wait yeah nvm

i don't have enough for 24/min

[shadow void]

you going to make 12/m Hvy?

[nova osprey]

but i do still need to make more than standard

[nova osprey]

i was, not gonna anymore after realizing that it's inefficient

unless tcreds

[subtle finch]

just recently capped wuling depot, but im still producing 12/min atm

[shadow void]

wouldnt hold my breath on that

[nova osprey]

same

i'll get there when i get there

my current stock is more than enough for the entirety of the event + extra for exchange at the very end

that's good enough

idk how i calced the gourd to be more efficient than sc batt, guess brain wasn't braining

[subtle finch]

imagine if they change the recipe last minute to xircon

[nova osprey]

if they do lol istg

[shadow void]

I'll have 148k stored by the time Phase 2 starts, and I'll only produce Hvy at 6/m. I'll need to consume 221,440 Hvy Xiranite over the events 204 hours. 18.09/m

[shadow void]

Theres a word i'm thinking. . its not a nice word

[nova osprey]

im no where close to you

[nova osprey]

lol

[fervent lodge]

hey i'm also capped on xircon at least!

not too bad.

[shadow void]

I do have 32k Xircon Effluent stored

[nova osprey]

depot gaming

[subtle finch]

10 xircon for 1 jade

[fervent lodge]

kinda thinking of hoarding everything now for fun

[shadow void]

Its a goal if you have the time and care to

[nova osprey]

im working on it

[fervent lodge]

i have the entity limits way down somehow due to splitting plants, acid, batteries and xiranite into different places

so i can stash valuable stuff if i wanted to

[subtle finch]

they really should at least give us friend leaderboards

[fervent lodge]

for points?

[shadow void]

What'd be even funnier, is if they disabled manually transfering from V4 to Wuling, or made it super hard/slow

[subtle finch]

yes

[fervent lodge]

we can create a thread in #1461542035617091681 kekw

for screenshots

[nova osprey]

i mean what will the mods do, smite everyone who frequents #aic-factory?

[subtle finch]

i guess i can make a spreedsheet to keep track of discord leaderboard

[shadow void]

it is still possible to tell since i havnt gotten the medal yet, but if you do sell past the needed 800k certs you wont beable to tell

[earnest steeple]

probably better to make another server or something

[nova osprey]

i mean how much you have in shop is a good indicator

[shadow void]

yeah guess you could figure out how much you spent and add it to your current

or get the total spent from both shop

[nova osprey]

[fervent lodge]

can do that or just edit the top post

[subtle finch]

it stops tracking when you get trimmed right?

[fervent lodge]

not a clue

[shadow void]

well its 800k for the medal and +20k jade for trim

[nova osprey]

yeah i doubt it will keep track after being trimmed considering none of the other medals do that

[shadow void]

you'll need an extra 200k cuz 20k jade isonly 600k

[nova osprey]

yeah

[shadow void]

I'm gonna be making way over that, if its necessary

[dense blade]

are the prices confirmed to be 120:30

[shadow void]

Large emphasis on if its necessary

[nova osprey]

datamined

[dense blade]

that’s insane

I was expecting 80:20

[shadow void]

I havent seen anything concrete other than ppl on discord saying it

[earnest steeple]

80:20 would be a loss, compared to normal gourds

[shadow void]

so i've just been going with it

[dense blade]

no?

[earnest steeple]

you would only swap over if the price was 99 or higher.

Wuling bills

[nova osprey]

same lol, 120 is highly efficient in terms of the materials used to make it. unfortunately not more efficient than sc batteries though

[dense blade]

80:20 is still a win over reg gourd

one gourd is one heavy xiranite

[nova osprey]

yeah

[earnest steeple]

one gourd is more than 1 heavy xiranite

[nova osprey]

and 1 hetonite and 1 yazhen fluid

[dense blade]

it’s just one

[nova osprey]

1 gourd is 1 hxira

[dense blade]

you make two bottles/parts in 20 seconds

[earnest steeple]

no, because gourds require 3 xiranite, heavy xiranite is 2.8 xiranite because of purification of inert

[dense blade]

3.8

[nova osprey]

yeah you're basing this off the assumption that the formula is the same

it's not

[dense blade]

12/min heavy and 12/min reg is the limit

if you use pur

[nova osprey]

1 hxira = 2 bottles or 2 parts
1 jade gourd = 1 bottled yazhen + 1 hxira part

[earnest steeple]

so doesn't 1 jade gourd = 1 hxira + 1 heto + yazhen sol'n?

[nova osprey]

yeah

[dense blade]

yea and you can make 12/min heavy

calculate 12 * 80 * 60

[nova osprey]

slightly worse than 12/min sc and 6/min hxira sadly

[shadow void]

yes, because that hvy xiranite is split into 2 parts, but the Gourd consumes only 1 of them each

2 in, 4 parts, gourd consumes 2

[dense blade]

all in jade gourd is better tho actually

[nova osprey]

is it?

[dense blade]

yea

[nova osprey]

the efficiency of it seems lower

[dense blade]

I mean, the outpost limit 50k

[earnest steeple]

are we optimizing stock bills or certs?

[dense blade]

both

[earnest steeple]

because i only optimized for stock bills (assuming infinite capacity)

[dense blade]

new gourds are straight up win win

[shadow void]

think it was datamined that its increasing again for Phase 2, i may be wrong tho

[earnest steeple]

you can't optimzie both, because you need to be able to convert stock bills <--> certs and there's no ratio

[dense blade]

even 80 is a win

that’s why 120 to me seems insane

[nova osprey]

correct

[shut hearth]

Someone share a spreadsheet photo pls

[nova osprey]

well

sort of

[earnest steeple]

my math was showing that you're better off doing normal gourds if <99, and jade gourds if >=99 or so

[shadow void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1499834839065428060/SPOILER_image.png?ex=69f63d8b&is=69f4ec0b&hm=49505ff9c3c58bafc7695693190dae299da01b6aa623ffed5006b43287d3bdbb&

[nova osprey]

depends on what your perpsective on optimizing "bills" means tbh

[nova osprey]

wdym <99

[shadow void]

not mine, but i added the bottom left part

[nova osprey]

this is assuming full gourd trading oui

[shadow void]

yeah, calculates the total stock bills produced, and how many jade gourds are needed to hit that amount

but only how many to get the stock bills

you'll get 3.91m certs from doing so

[nova osprey]

what do you want to know though, im pretty sure the info you're looking for isn't really relevant to what we're talking about

we're talking metrics that aren't really necessary, just for fun

[dense blade]

13.25 sc makes a tad bit more than 6/min jade gourd, but you have to use some for power so it becomes less, while with 6/min jade gourd you still have ferrium and originium left for power anyways

[nova osprey]

that is a fair assessment

[dense blade]

if you metastorage ferrium ore you can run at 4.5/min hc + 2300 power from 330/min originium

I think

that’s like 6700 power irrc

[nova osprey]

yeah 4.5/min hc should be possible

[dense blade]

valley hc is 1400 right

[earnest steeple]

but you can keep selling gourds for more certs without getting bills tho, right?

[dense blade]

genuinely forgot

[nova osprey]

uhh iirc it's 1100

[dense blade]

o

[nova osprey]

i think you're mixing it up with lc wuling

[dense blade]

then 5500

[nova osprey]

lc wuling is 1600

[dense blade]

yea probably

but the power use is less anyways

[earnest steeple]

well, i definitely didn't take into account power, cuz the optimization is no longer linear.

[shadow void]

i dont think so, but they will auto convert at the end of the event

[dense blade]

without making sc

[nova osprey]

at end of event all gourds will be converted to certs regardless

[subtle finch]

sc is more efficient with bills, so you still want to make as much sc if bill is your priority
if not go 12/min heavy instead

but it still kinda depends until we see the total cost of the 2nd shop

[nova osprey]

and you will get bills up to cap

[earnest steeple]

my understanding is that they will auto sell the items at the end of the event, so if you have bills in outposts you will get those, and if you don't you just get certs

[shut hearth]

Just the math supporting what farms + rates give best trade results, i probably will do numbers later too after a nap

[shadow void]

I guess?

[earnest steeple]

i just want to know if there's an infinite cert dump, because that actually has a value to it, otherwise, it's just bigger numbers.

[shadow void]

most likely not

[subtle finch]

they changed it to 100x limit

[nova osprey]

12/min will probably give you more bills up to a certain amount due to the way how the event will end

[earnest steeple]

100x limit of what?

[nova osprey]

wait what

[subtle finch]

t-creds

[nova osprey]

ah

[dense blade]

at the end of the event you can convert 10k cery to 500 t-credits lmao, 20:1

[subtle finch]

it used to be infinite

[dense blade]

it’s crap but something ig

[nova osprey]

honestly the rate doesn't sound too bad

considering we're generating it from nothing

[earnest steeple]

i mean, they know players will abuse infinite, so better put a stop to it sooner than later.

[shadow void]

8.8m at 20:1 is 440k, well minus shop items

[nova osprey]

that's 50k tcreds per extra million so you could probably get an extra 250k tcreds off the event if you stockpile?

[nova osprey]

yeah exactly, 440k is a sizable sum

[nova osprey]

btw where did they release this info?

[shadow void]

thats 148k stock and 6/m Hvy production

[dense blade]

how the end of event gourd to cert conversion work

[dense blade]

heard it from someone else

[shadow void]

all word of mouth

[nova osprey]

not sure if it's reliable then bc i don't remember someone else saying it

but that would be very nice if it were true

[shadow void]

it can be datamined all day long and the devs could still change it

[nova osprey]

very true

[subtle finch]

that's only 3.33k jade for all those t-creds, child's play

we're doing this for glory now

[shadow void]

[dense blade]

has that happened before

[nova osprey]

no but it's their game so they can change in game data when they want to

or at least ot my knowledge no

[shadow void]

I have no clue, all i hear or see is from discord really

[dense blade]

considering that they plan updates months ahead of time I find mid patch changes unlikely apart from bug fixes

[earnest steeple]

usually what happens is that devs will change it so it's harder to datamine or data is less readily available in future patches, usually not worth it to change current data/too risky.

[iron stratus]

how much sc production can i keep with 12 heavy/min if any

[subtle finch]

afaik they tend not to take anything away from the players if it's already released
this is datamine content, so that is different

[dense blade]

0

[nova osprey]

tbh that's true

[dense blade]

you’ll be powering your factory with hc valley + straight up originium

[iron stratus]

disgusting

[nova osprey]

i doubt they'd change the data because people datamined it
especialy since server rules makes it seem like they don't really care too much if people do datamine it

[dense blade]

we’re going back to dinosaur times

[shadow void]

So Gourds convert to Stockbills/Certs up to the point theres no more Stockbills, then it converts them into more Certs per Gourd

if the normal rate is 120bills/30certs, whats the rate after no more bills

[mystic glen]

think you can keep a tiny bit since you can use the effluent from the purification for bat line if you want right?

[iron stratus]

hopefully certs convert to something too

[dense blade]

that makes sense since assuming the price is actually 120:30, 12/min would literally buy out the outpost by 30-40k adding on hetonite parts

[nova osprey]

so according to the way people took a look at it, it's not until there's no stock bills left, but until you hit your stockbill cap limit depending on your current RDM

so at end of event, you should make sure you have 0 stockbills left in your stash

[shadow void]

Yeah, it could be that too

[nova osprey]

yeah

[dense blade]

uh ig, but it’s not worth it since what you have left is the equivalent of 12/min reg xiranite, which is 1 sc/min and you’ll have to distribute that amount evenly.

[nova osprey]

i was thinking there's no way they'd do that, but the description definitely makes it seem like it's a possibility

that's why i want to have 116666 gourds leftover as event ends

[shadow void]

I initially didnt interpret it that way, but looking now I see it

[nova osprey]

same

mostly bc it's absurd to think that it would have been possible

[shadow void]

and it makes more sense that it wont give you more stock bills than your limit, but the thing is, we can already go over our limit

[mystic glen]

I guess you can stockpile it in bottles and then near the end of the event turn off one xirantie forge to produce an extra line of heavy xiranite in it for even more gourds?

[nova osprey]

yeah ikr

[nova osprey]

the bottles you need for jade gourds are different than phase 1 bottles

[dense blade]

lmao ig that’s one use for the 40k pool/separation unit

[nova osprey]

if thats what you're asking

idk

or idk

[storm garnet]

it just means that, it gives 0 but still let's you give more gourds

[dense blade]

I would stop selling anything but the gourds rn

and save the batteries or whatever you’re producing for outpost prosperity in part 2

[nova osprey]

i mean we're talking about event description

[storm garnet]

my gourd generation is just like half my 1st outpost generation

[iron stratus]

that's with ferrium meta right

[nova osprey]

i wish we had a way to clarify it with devs though

[mystic glen]

actually, you probs would just want to backfeed the purified effluent into your reactors, so that they run on a bit less than 6 forges worth of xiranite, that way you passively build up xiranite, and then once you reach the cap you switch the forge form producing xiranite to making heavy xiranite to drain it again, on repeat till end of event

[storm garnet]

it just refers to that

[iron stratus]

and is the 50 extra ori manual or what

[nova osprey]

mayhaps

[iron stratus]

i dont understand the ore rates

[shadow void]

I fear my problem is going to be I wont be able to make SC batteries because i've already got 80k in V4, and 12/m is gonna be 146,880, minus my current ~20k in Wuling, and thats 120k of materials i'm gonna need to process into something, thing is i'm already sitting on 68k of both dense Ori cubes

I'm screwed man

[storm garnet]

btw guys, you have space for 2 or even 3 extra xiranite lines after we get the 12 forges, right? right????

cause i may not

[dense blade]

530 originium yield?

[shadow void]

space yes, protocol limit, no

[storm garnet]

480 + 50

[subtle finch]

nvm, this is the corrected figure with ferrium meta

[storm garnet]

50 is from dense originium

[nova osprey]

we got hc formula yet? it looked like haruna had it

[dense blade]

from where

[storm garnet]

dense originium is equal to 2 originium ore

[dense blade]

but meta is already used for 115 fer

[storm garnet]

ah

[subtle finch]

splitting heto to 12 is a bit hard, but doable, i just went with the easier 15
actually, you can just clog a 12/min jade

[indigo tartan]

Do phase 1 and phase 2 event share the same currency?

[nova osprey]

yes

[storm garnet]

ngl, i do have ferrium problems atm since i'm going full heto during the event

[indigo tartan]

So if i like alr exchange all the reward, it was better to keep making my gourd to stack my currency for phase 2?

[storm garnet]

but the ferrium problems come from using dense ori from meta in the first place

so dense ori is still better since it's x2 value

[dense blade]

12.25 is close enough

[nova osprey]

probably overkill

[dense blade]

doesn’t rlly matter if depot clogs

[nova osprey]

and given information we have you could just make hxira instead too

hxira is needed for phase 2

[indigo tartan]

H xira and?

[shadow void]

Hetonite

[nova osprey]

hetonite, yazhen

not hetonite parts

[indigo tartan]

Heto part? Or just the raw heto

[nova osprey]

raw hetonite

[dense blade]

wait nvm what am I saying

[shadow void]

the rock, not parts or comps

[indigo tartan]

Ohhh i see

[swift steppe]

Medal mentions taking a different gourd for the trim. I've already switched back to mostly normal production with 2/min jade gourds to eat 30 xiranite/min extra.

[indigo tartan]

Ty for the info

[storm garnet]

my hetonite is above 60k already, i had to give a bit more into heto parts to slow it down more

i still need to manually transfer a bit

[indigo tartan]

Owh, the phase 2 gourd?, so it was better to stack up xiranite and gourd right

H xira*

[subtle finch]

if anyone still needs a 12/min heavy production

[shadow void]

Save your Hvy Xiranite and raw Hetonite

[indigo tartan]

Kk i see, ty for the info yall

[nova osprey]

technically it was better to save up hxira instead of gourds

[shadow void]

some ppl are going 240/m Xiranite and going ham on Xiranite Gourds, but I dunno if thats worth the effort or not without know whats in Phase 2 Shop, and if theres any kind of cert conversion after the event is over

[nova osprey]

but i mean it doesn't matter much

[mystic glen]

6 forges for xiranite = make 180/min effluent and innert effluent
If you purify the effluent you can throttle your reactors to only consume 24 xiranite per 30 effluent

So for each forge you are saving 6 xiranite a minute for 36/min xiranite total. Which caps up to 68k cap in 31 hours.

Then you switch to 5 forges for xiranite with 3 forges heavy xiranite.
Which means you consume 2 x 24 xiranite per heavy xiranite line. Which is 144 xiranite/min consumption
While with 5 forges you still produce 150... wait a minute is this self sustainable????

Someone tell me where I made the mistake, this can't be right right????

[subtle finch]

or this one

[nova osprey]

what final products are you trying to make, is the first question xD

[mystic glen]

all in gourds

so heavy xiranite

[shadow void]

Our levels of preperation are hopefully not needed

[mystic glen]

I'm not even thinking prep, I'm now wondering if you can self sutain 3 heavy xiranite forges with 5 regular xiranite forges

[nova osprey]

1 line hxira = 114 normal xira

you can do 12/min hxira and have 12/min xira left over

[swift steppe]

I've already finished up phase 1 shop with 12/min for like 4-ish days.

[nova osprey]

you don't

[shadow void]

I'm just running like 1.5/m Xiranite Gourds, banking on Jade

ah, sorry again for the ping

[mystic glen]

oh yeah nvm

[nova osprey]

allg

[subtle finch]

12 heavy is 168 xiranite if you use its own inert

[mystic glen]

I forgot it needs both effluent and xiranite

lol

was only counting the effluent for a sec

[nova osprey]

wait an i dumb

uh wait how did i get 114

[subtle finch]

man, i just shared this, you still have 12 leftover

[mystic glen]

nice, now we are all confused lol

[nova osprey]

oh wait no

my math is right

[shadow void]

just figure out what you are gonna do, and do that

[nova osprey]

ish

114 is because one forge goes to hxira

you need 4 forges for 1 hxira line, with 6 xira left over per line

so yeah you can do two lines hxira with 12/min xira left over

[subtle finch]

it's sustainable, cause im using it for the past few days

[mystic glen]

2 forges for 60/min xiranite
1 forge that needs to make effluent, for which you need 24/min xiranite (6 leftover)
1 forge to actually produce the heavy xiranite

[nova osprey]

yeah

grand total xira cost is 114 in technicality

84 if you're looking at just numbers on report

[shadow void]

I'll be making 48/m Jade Gourds for a bit, then down to 24/m, and then 18/m. I only need 18.09/m over the duration of the event, but I'm gonna burn stock. Assuming theres a worth of having tons of certs and not just the bare minimum.

[river wadi]

what are jade gourds made from

[dense blade]

3.8 forge for 6/heavy .4 forge left = 12 reg xiranite or 2.4 lc or 1.5 sc

[shadow void]

1 Hvy Xirante, 1 Hetonite, Yazhen solution

[nova osprey]

1 hxira

both 1

[river wadi]

in how many seconds

[nova osprey]

10

[river wadi]

so i need 2 heavy xiranite lines for 1 jade gourd line?

[subtle finch]

6/min of heavy and 6/min of heto for 6/min of jade

1:1:1

[serene rock]

Got that xiranite working overtime XD

[dense blade]

no 1:1

[nova osprey]

no it's 1

[shadow void]

2 Hvy in makes 2 parts and 2 bottles. add Yazhen to the bottle, Jade Gourd consumes 1 filled bottle and 1 part

theres 2 lines of xiranite in, but it the recipe produces 2 for each xiranite

[river wadi]

what bottles i thought you just said heavy xiranite, hetonite and yazhen solution

[mystic glen]

ok so if you switch to 3 heavy xiranite lines.

Then you need 342 xiranite/min while you can only produce 150/min xiranite. So you drain your depot at -192/min which means you go from 68k to 0 in a little under 6 hours.

So technically you could let your 2 heavy + 6 xira forge setup run till you reach cap in about 30 hours, then in morning switch to 3 heavy + 5 xira forge setup and about 6~ish hours later switch back.

Which gives you roughly 12/min for 30 hours and 18/min for 6 hours for an average off 13/min? hmm, seems a lot of effort for not that much gain

[nova osprey]

hxira bottles

[nova osprey]

in grand total it's less than 0.5/min

for that last optimization

[subtle finch]

if you can put effort in math like that, putting the effort to make the production isnt an issue

[nova osprey]

sorry nvm

it's 0.63 /min

got my numbers confused

[mystic glen]

it's not the productino, it's switching it nearly daily that's gonna be annoying

[nova osprey]

yeah putting in time like that is unrealistic lmao

[river wadi]

switching what

[mystic glen]

the optimization I'm talking about requires switching your forge from producing heavy xiranite to regular xiranite and back again

[nova osprey]

hxira vs xira

[subtle finch]

????

[mystic glen]

12/min heavy xiranite setup slowly builds up extra xiranite

[nova osprey]

optimizing the last 12/min xiranite for event 💀

[shadow void]

probably should of done it the other way around

[river wadi]

doesnt making 2 heavy xiranite lines need all 8 forges

[mystic glen]

you save some xiranite by using purifiers

[nova osprey]

yeah but it's still making 12/min hxira and 12/min xira

you can swap one of the xira forges for an hxira forge every so often to get maximal efficiency lol

[river wadi]

where is the 12/min xiranite coming from

[nova osprey]

purifiers

[mystic glen]

purifier turns some of the innert to usable effluent

[river wadi]

but also wtf is powering your wuling base then

[nova osprey]

purifier to refeed inert and save 20% xiranite

[subtle finch]

someone already made it ages ago

[mystic glen]

so your heavy xiranite line doesn't consume 30 xiranite for the effluent, but only 24

[nova osprey]

hc v4 and originium

[dense blade]

raw originium and valley

[subtle finch]

the only effort afterwards is moving the forge when you see xiranite is full

[shadow void]

Pure HC ValleyIV

[nova osprey]

i mean theoretically you could get to it rn too

i aint doing all that

.cantread

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1475997022615113900/cantread.gif?ex=699f84d8&is=699e3358&hm=f283e9f64e009c1dbd4556362116e277bbaaf6f50e83895e5c641e76003299d2&=&width=1080&height=728

[subtle finch]

same

[nova osprey]

but for that

lol

[dense blade]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-arknights-endfield-gif-17735632637872025915

[nova osprey]

.bomb

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/endministrator-endmin-arknights-endfield-bomb-gif-3801526505005205420

[indigo tartan]

Just to make sure, so all i need to stack up is h xira, raw heto, and yazhen right?

[nova osprey]

yazhen not really, everything else sure yeah

[foggy iris]

Hi i finished main story not making shite

Wat shud i make

[mystic glen]

only to forget to put it back 6 hours later and lose tons and tons of xiranite production while you sleep lol

that's what's gonna happen to me if I try that

[foggy iris]

?

[twilit shard]

Gourds

[dense blade]

prep for phase 2

just spam produce heavy xir

[foggy iris]

So i dont need to make the stuff for gears?

[dense blade]

you can spare some of it for them

ofc

[swift niche]

Fuckk

I just noticed thisss

[subtle finch]

account ruined

[foggy iris]

So heavt xir only?

[nova osprey]

gg

[nova osprey]

make it if you need to

[dense blade]

hetonite too

[foggy iris]

I mean i need gears lol im gearless

[indigo tartan]

Ill just stack up my yazhen just in case it was needed, though i could just remove it right away after maxing it

[nova osprey]

then i would recommend just making a standard base, ignore event things until phase 2 except for a 2/min gourd setup, then go all out on phase 2 event items if you need it

[foggy iris]

Literally dont know wat phase 2 is

[dense blade]

just make heavy xiranite and hetonite part/hetonite and get enough gears while stocking if you care about efficiency

[dense blade]

phase 2

event

[nova osprey]

there's an aic event going on right now

for wuling

[subtle finch]

yeah do standard base for now, it's gonna take a lot of hours, you can probably clear the event in the last 4 days after that

[foggy iris]

There is?

[dense blade]

there’s gonna be a new item to sell that’s more profitable than others

[subtle finch]

ignore the event for now, and work on your foundations first

[nova osprey]

yeah, for wuling side

[river wadi]

you can produce xiranite gourds to sell in exchange for cool stuff

[foggy iris]

Aic support?

[river wadi]

ye

[nova osprey]

palm top savior event yeah

[subtle finch]

they said they've got nothing so far

[foggy iris]

So i just make these?

[shadow void]

Phase 2

[foggy iris]

And xir and heto?

[subtle finch]

telling them to jump to jade prep is crazy

[dense blade]

it’s not too much time away tho

[shadow void]

if you had all the ores, and bps on hand

[river wadi]

do 6/min sc wuling battery and 6/min xiranite gourds which leaves you with 1 forge remaining so you can make either cuprium components or xiranite components

[nova osprey]

make your standard base for the items you need then swap to event items in like 4 days or so ig

[foggy iris]

My base small since i didnt do shite on it

[nova osprey]

ask again in 4 days what to make

[shadow void]

if not anything we ask of him will just fly over

[subtle finch]

if you got the hindsight requires, for beginner's pov, its overwhelming
they can catch up for the shop anyway

[nova osprey]

oof

[indigo tartan]

Could be completed in 1 day with someone's blueprint, if u need it urgent

[dense blade]

ig

[foggy iris]

Thats y im asking wat to do lol

[shadow void]

It'll take a personal touch for anyone not already setup

[nova osprey]

you got both outposts unlocked yeah?

[foggy iris]

Yes i suppose

[nova osprey]

so 3 factories total, main factory, and two sub pacs

mmm i mean, might have to make lc batteries for now.. hxira works too

and meds

i forget which ones are readily available for you atm, im guessing all outposts level 1

[foggy iris]

Ya in marker stone jing and wuling

[foggy iris]

Ya all lvl1

150/200 power

[dense blade]

bro actually did all of the story without touching factory in one go

I would plug in a V1.0 Blueprint then first

[foggy iris]

I mean speed running ftw

[dense blade]

try to speedrun your regional development level up to 10

[foggy iris]

Nah

[nova osprey]

isn't 7 or 8 the necessary max atm

[dense blade]

or 8

[nova osprey]

10 should be for test area in 13 days

[dense blade]

doesn’t 10 give ore purity in marker

[foggy iris]

My valley at 3 2 2

[nova osprey]

iirc that's for test area not for marker

[dense blade]

o rlly

[nova osprey]

we dont have any purity for marker atm

iirc

[dense blade]

I recall it saying marker

I might be wrong

[nova osprey]

i might be wrong too lol let me check

should keep this info stored in brain but sometimes i forget

[storm garnet]

There is 1 purity upgrade for marker pretty sure

[nova osprey]

ah nvm then ig

still gonna check

[dense blade]

but 6 and 8 makes the biggest difference

[dense blade]

wtf

[storm garnet]

Just get to 12 and forget

[nova osprey]

oh yeah 10 does increase marker stone

OH

i see

[foggy iris]

Hehe

[nova osprey]

the rdm was bugged before

when 1.2 first released it said increase for ??? not marker stone

[dense blade]

maybe work on valley first…

[nova osprey]

lol

[dense blade]

or work on both

[storm garnet]

Not a bug

[nova osprey]

so yes 10 is necessary

[shadow void]

Getting all ores tapped, Regional Dev Level with max Purity, and maxing' outposts size and depot number is gonna be required for any current end setup. Some variations on the outpost size and depot upgrades needed.

[dense blade]

just use an early bp

[storm garnet]

It's just hidden until unlocked by story

[foggy iris]

I mean if wuling need valley stuff sure

[indigo tartan]

Just for info, on valley, the max you could get was 18/min hc battery, 18/min A tier Med, and 24/min c tier med, if you want to min max your factory

[nova osprey]

no im pretty sure it was bugged bc i rushed story then went to check if it was needed

it said ??? even after unlocking marker stone sub pac

[foggy iris]

Im on sc battery

[storm garnet]

Maybe a momentary bug

[dense blade]

the only thing you need from valley is meta storage which you unlock at rdl 12, which obviously is gonna take a bit

[nova osprey]

most likely yes

[foggy iris]

Im on 8

[dense blade]

it’ll take a few days

[shadow void]

yeah 12 gonna take a bit

[dense blade]

just do your stock exchanges

[nova osprey]

i remember bc i was scrambling around trying to finish everything since i wouldn't have time to work on factory the next day

[indigo tartan]

That was fine, take your time. But in the end your aim was what i specified earlier.

[dense blade]

and it really won’t take long

[shadow void]

maybe not days, but constant work for sure

[foggy iris]

I see ayt

[dense blade]

and if you haven’t, do the wulfgard quest, some ferrium is locked behind that

[foggy iris]

And for wuling?

[dense blade]

what are your ore yields

[foggy iris]

Doen wulfgard

Done*

[foggy iris]

Which ones?

[dense blade]

all

ferrium originium cuprium

[indigo tartan]

Could differ from other, but mine, 12/min sc battery, 22,5 heto/min, 210 xira/min, and 1 forge of the sky solely for heavy xira

[foggy iris]

0/min

In wuling

[dense blade]

he has like 0 ore purity upgrades rn lol

[foggy iris]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[dense blade]

probably set those up first lmao

[indigo tartan]

Should be working on that right now then

[foggy iris]

Fudge gotta put pylons all around

[dense blade]

wuling pylons auto connect

[foggy iris]

Ik

[dense blade]

no more 80.1m crap

[foggy iris]

Still boring

[dense blade]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-arknights-endfield-gif-17735632637872025915

[foggy iris]

It is 80m still

[storm garnet]

Might as well unlock hydro miners and use them on all ores from the beginning lol

[mystic glen]

I'd say you don't even need pylons and hydro miners is where it's at, but he probs doesn't have the cuprium parts to make those lol

[dense blade]

a lot more accurate

[foggy iris]

Ayt i go mine some shites

Cya tomorrow

[dense blade]

[shadow void]

you can place hydro on something other than Cuprium?

[dense blade]

yes

[mystic glen]

yep

[storm garnet]

On all

[dense blade]

but you need the pylon for pump lmao

[mystic glen]

it's more power efficient and sometimes easier to route to remote locations

[foggy iris]

Wait how i inc power in wuling same way?

[mystic glen]

200 meter conduits are a godsent sometimes for remote miners

[dense blade]

unless you wanna conduit route it there

[shadow void]

.huh

FINE, i didnt wanna play til later but lemme go look

[subtle finch]

not on amethyst

[foggy iris]

Do i need only high purity ores?

[dense blade]

you need them all

[indigo tartan]

Mine every single one of them

[shadow void]

at this point i should just have the game open 24/7

[dense blade]

[foggy iris]

Ayt ayt

[dense blade]

those low purity ones will auto upgrade as your rdl levels up

[storm garnet]

Introducing patch 1.3: amethyst finally in wuling!

[dense blade]

they’re putting 3 ores per region

[storm garnet]

You need cryston bottles and hetonite bottles to make new food!

[dense blade]

maybe next region ferrium’s gonna be gone

[river wadi]

wait what

[dense blade]

since ame was 2nd ore in valley

[shadow void]

Not that theres any amethyst, but it would work

[storm garnet]

It's true, trust me bro

[storm garnet]

Toldya

[dense blade]

can you place wuling aic in valley

I thought you can’t

[foggy iris]

Welp great game crashed

[dense blade]

or is it just wuling pylons

[shadow void]

no fluid facilities in Valley4

[dense blade]

[shadow void]

but, it will work on amethyst, theres just none you are allowed to place it on

[storm garnet]

Fluids don't exist in v4

Except some rare clean water places

[shadow void]

theres water everywhere

[foggy iris]

Btw ppl can join my world and do my work?

[river wadi]

unfortunately theres no multiplayer rn

[storm garnet]

The clean water on that v4 cave is funny, there isn't even space for a pump anyways

[foggy iris]

Dam

[elfin elm]

What kind of work, ups delivery?

[foggy iris]

Construction

Need the pros

[storm garnet]

Just watch videos

[foggy iris]

Just send me bp

[shadow void]

the space to the south of Wuling AIC is basically a flat puddle of water, but you can still put pumps on it

[storm garnet]

Videos have bps

[elfin elm]

Nope gotta learn it yourself, or see other planning it then copy that

[foggy iris]

Videos have bp for maxed out aic

[storm garnet]

Do tutorials to get bps from the game

Also, try to actually learn

[foggy iris]

Its not a complete one

[storm garnet]

What does even complete mean here

[indigo tartan]

Probably what he meant, like the bp from the ore to the complete component

[elfin elm]

He wants a full line of factory, in game bps it's only saperate parts

[storm garnet]

Bp 1 uses a to make b, bp 2 uses b to make c. Is it that hard

[elfin elm]

For him maybe it is

[indigo tartan]

It was hard for new player that never tried any factory game before, though from learning it get easier.

.

[storm garnet]

I might go to angry territory if I continue, so I'll leave it there

[dense blade]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meep-low-cortisol-dance-chibi-gif-17107758709618840273

[mystic glen]

I know, there are some GREAT tuturials in the game, you should do them all and definately not use the "mark as learned" feature

[nova osprey]

[shadow void]

Mmmm, Spaghetti

[dense blade]

anything to save on logistics

[nova osprey]

idek how lmao

[nova osprey]

but how

[dense blade]

exit top view

[storm garnet]

Elevation

[dense blade]

and see

[shadow void]

cant be

[elfin elm]

@foggy iris maybe try ask at different time, there's might be someone who willing to help

[nova osprey]

it's aic

[dense blade]

ok wtf

[nova osprey]

not mine lmao

i saw in help

[storm garnet]

It happens when start/end is different elevation

[mystic glen]

I've had that happen before too, not that many in a row tho

[shadow void]

i also have pipes like that

[thorny galleon]

How much cuprium goes into one yazhen syringe line?

[nova osprey]

damn

[iron stratus]

why would they ever put people fishing in the only infinite water source by the marker stone aic that cant be disabled and you cant place pumps over

[storm garnet]

If you stop the pipe mid way, that counts as start/end too sometimes.

[indigo tartan]

Every time i saw pipe like this, i got stressed out. Pipe traumatized me

[undone current]

w8, vertical piping?

[nova osprey]

[nova osprey]

idk someone did it in #help i just pushed it here

[undone current]

oh

[nova osprey]

tbf should have forwarded it

forgot though

[shadow void]

thats pretty freaking flush

[nova osprey]

the heck

[elfin elm]

If u look in different ways, it's kinda looks like a bunch of "Swastikas" Continuing in line

[indigo tartan]

Or the other one, yk

[storm garnet]

Buddhism is strong in this game

[dense blade]

gourds

[elfin elm]

Don't worry I know, but I don't wanna say it

[dense blade]

is the bridge there just for vibes

[shadow void]

kinda thought if i movved it it would effect that segment

but its leftovers from moving things around

[dense blade]

[mystic glen]

honnestly, probs optimal too, pesky pipe limit

[dense blade]

96

is way too low

I feel like they’re holding back on making factory as complicated as they can so more casuals who just want to play for the gacha/story can still make sense of it.

[indigo tartan]

Wait for new region

[dense blade]

won’t matter if they keep aic areas the same size

[indigo tartan]

They gonna introduce some type of air powered factory

[dense blade]

unless they do multi layers

[lofty lodge]

finally found the sweet spot for both xiranite aand heavy xeranite

[swift steppe]

More stuff like the Expanded Crucible seems more likely, isn't required yet but can save a lot of space if used well.

[elfin elm]

Just wait until they add elements powered or just raw kinetic powers

[dense blade]

uh aren’t you missing a forge

[river wadi]

pipe already says it "transports fluids or gases" even though there are no gases in the game yet

[lofty lodge]

nope, max forge

[indigo tartan]

They do be hinting something

[dense blade]

your xiranite should be 210

[shadow void]

hes got a 2nd forge on Hvy not working

[mystic glen]

he has 2 heavy xiranite forges

[shadow void]

look at theoretical

[dense blade]

why

[elfin elm]

Gas extraction and pollution point

[lofty lodge]

yeah 2 forge on heavy

[shadow void]

no clue, maybe its not working

so real problem is his Hvy is only showing 6 being produced

[dense blade]

if you’re making 6/min, you just need 1 unless you’re going for 12/min

[river wadi]

hes stocking up for jade gourds

[shadow void]

hes still making 6/m when 2 forges make 12/m hvy

[lofty lodge]

12/min hmm let me check

[dense blade]

you won’t be able to make the 12 scs you’re making rn then

[lofty lodge]

I see, have to reduce battery, in order to make more heavy xeranite, is it because we use xeranite to from battery?

[dense blade]

yes

[subtle finch]

[dense blade]

same idea with components

[mystic glen]

basically either 12/min battery + 6/min heavy, or 12/min heavy and 0/min battery

In both cases you have a little leftover for some other stuff, with the battery setup having the most leftover

[subtle finch]

👌

[dense blade]

if you use purification unit

[mystic glen]

normally you'd do the battery setup, but with new AIC event the 12 heavy becomes worthwhile instead

[subtle finch]

exactly

[dense blade]

if your stockpile is high rn just run with 12 batteries for a bit

then switch to 12 heavy

for power make hc valley bats and use the remaining originium

[shadow void]

oh my gosh

well, forgot about that one spot right in the bottom. . .

[dense blade]

I know a guy who did this last patch for every single mine

happily

[shadow void]

probably saves 30 power, wooooow

[dense blade]

apparently it’s 50-100

[ruby sorrel]

low purity nodes too

[mystic glen]

I put my pumps left of your "2" in the middle of the image. Then from there distributed it to not waste too much water

[subtle finch]

⚠️ asia server
stop selling in sky forge <t:1777684620:R>
stop selling in cardiac <t:1777687380:R>

[shadow void]

yeah, probably around that area

[dense blade]

16 for na

[shadow void]

explain that to me

[dense blade]

but does it even matter

wait…

do we get outpost lv 3

in phase 2

[mystic glen]

is the new area soon?

[shadow void]

3d 10hours till Phase 2, are you guys draining your outpost currently and thats the time it takes to regen bills?

[dense blade]

may 14th

[lime stag]

What's the best place to grab blueprints outside of this shitty app? Can't scroll down and keeps crashing, Google keep sharing a bunch of AI copy paste

[dense blade]

right after this event’s over

[shadow void]

after event

[mystic glen]

I c

[lofty lodge]

outpost gonna get upgrade soon?

[shadow void]

maybe

maybe not, wasn't said anywhere, but its likely

+4 forges and more ore

[lofty lodge]

fudge, i just sold my 50k worth of battery

[shadow void]

would make no sense not to include atleast upgrades to Marker Stone to increase outpost bill production

[dense blade]

probably when test area comes out

but is it gonna be when phase 2 comes out instead?

[dense blade]

why would this matter

[shadow void]

It also wasn't said that Test Area would get an Outpost AIC, sooo we would very much need upgrades at the least

[dense blade]

very unlikely

they seem to always skip one area

[subtle finch]

for those selling jade for bills

[crude spear]

Sorry but why is this?

[undone current]

no, its only said we got sewage big machine thing on test area

[dense blade]

you’re already overproducing bills past outpost tho so does it rlly matter

[subtle finch]

some people dont want to waste their xiranite for unusable certs
while still maximizing certs

[final sierra]

ok, really good slowerisers ✅ 👍

[dense blade]

the whole time you’ll be selling gourds even with no stock bills in pile

[lofty lodge]

is it because the with the rate of 6/min gourd, all item in phase 1 can be purchased completely?

[shadow void]

just give us priority splitters, let us set rates

[subtle finch]

mind updating the bp images with the one you used?

[mystic glen]

How does this one work? Like not the prime splitter part, but the splitter before the first merger. Wouldn't that make the feedback lower priority than what's coming from the depot? (which you don't want)

[final sierra]

all imgs updated to that what i have used as test or what images?

[dense blade]

Idk how that makes a difference between if you continue to sell anything rn vs letting outposts stockpile to max before selling. Can’t you just stop making gourd after you have enough cert to buyout shop completely.

[subtle finch]

oh you didnt test for limiters not against the unloaders, that's fine too i guess

[final sierra]

full testzone

[subtle finch]

it's for rare set of people that want the highest score and lowest item wasted

[dense blade]

what are you even min-maxing at that point

[subtle finch]

hoarding, obviously

[vast iron]

doing ts in phase 1 is probably overkill considering phase 2 probably uses the same currency anyways...

[dense blade]

[shadow void]

To all the ppl developing those splitters/limiters, thank you

[vast iron]

check out my design too #1494362412126699651

:3

[shadow void]

I'll moan and cry that we dont have proper logistics for that, but you guys out here solving the real problems.

[vast iron]

they should just make them a real facility at this point...

[subtle finch]

⬆️

[vast iron]

you shouldve seen the lengths ive went to to make some of these logistics stuff...

[shadow void]

[autumn crag]

Okay I am wondering If I am stupid, the unloader supplies the belts 30/min yes?

[mystic glen]

oh, so with that tweak this would work away from depot unloader?

[vast iron]

i havent delved too deep into priority convergence yet but its been too inconsistent in my experience and im scared

[subtle finch]

yes

[vast iron]

hikarin knows the trauma ive had with prio converger

[mystic glen]

cool, for some reason I thought it was reverse and splitter lost priority thinking splitter would see "oh it is full, I can't output yet" but seems that's not the case

[vast iron]

i assume since splitter doesnt have an actual belt item/position checks it wins

could be wrong tho

[ruby sorrel]

did I rmember wrong I thought there was enough low purity for 4 pumps

[vast iron]

its 6

[shadow void]

different rates for purity?

[vast iron]

wait

[vast iron]

1 pump supplies 3 high pur or 6 low pur

[shadow void]

[vast iron]

im lost

[subtle finch]

you usually place splitter last by hand, that's why most people thought the same
that resets when you go offline for a while

[vast iron]

hello??

[mystic glen]

Honnestly splitter priority is still a bit of black magic to me. I remember when designing that 3/min and 6/min prime splitter I was so confused why they needed that extra belt space in the middle but the 4/min one didn't need it for whatever arcane reason

[vast iron]

have you figured out the weird behavior i reported yet?

[marble yarrow]

you can go 4 pumps here for 14 miners

[vast iron]

actually i have an idea

lemme test rq

[subtle finch]

nothing new, still just the belt having delay sometimes 😭

[vast iron]

ima go test 5 per 15 and see if the extra buffer is enough to fix the 4/6 behavior

[mystic glen]

might have to retest the 3/min and 6/min splitter then, just to make sure they actually need that extra belt space, or did you guys already double check the design to confirm it needs that extra space

[ruby sorrel]

when I was testing other layouts for 6/min I found the initial 1/2 splitter needs 2 belt spaces or it clashes with the return loop on the later part

[vast iron]

if it works i wouldve finally cracked forge swap

[subtle finch]

nope

[ruby sorrel]

this happens once every 5 cycles or something on the 6/min

so it ends up being a uselessly big 1/4 splitter

[vast iron]

i have a working 3/min design that has nothing to do with priority of convergers so you can try that

its just

really big

[mystic glen]

big bad

compact spagetti good

[subtle finch]

i honestly dont see a point with these limiters wider than 3 tiles
at that point, just use an extra loader

[vast iron]

not spaghetti

[uneven aspen]

missing 7.5/min

[vast iron]

just bug magic

[mystic glen]

arcane belts

[vast iron]

#1494362412126699651

[vast iron]

indeed

its being held up by duct tape and dreams

[uneven aspen]

useful cause my syringe C is doing 32.5/min ferrium so 1 25/min line and a 7.5/min line is perfect

[mystic glen]

have you guys seen the prority port using splitters and control ports? that shit is really cool

[shadow void]

magic, its all magic

[mystic glen]

only shame the max throughput is halved

so 15/min max for belts

unless you double it

[ruby sorrel]

and needing to seed it with random material right?

I think that's more annoying

[mystic glen]

yeah

[subtle finch]

please share, i think i made something similar

[mystic glen]

that too

learned about it from here https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1st1rca/overflow_valve_design_12/

same technique works with belts

[vast iron]

oh that

that aint real prio tho no?

its like a simulation of priority

[ruby sorrel]

I saw a smaller version on twitter with 1 pipe tile in the loop instead of 4

basically just making it a square

[mystic glen]

why wouldn't it be real prio?

[mystic glen]

do you have an image of that?

[vast iron]

i mean firstly i cant really tell what the print even does

it doesnt seem to be a full priority output

partial as in an influenced/unbalanced split

[mystic glen]

the reddit post explains the mechanics behind it, it should put everything down one pipe, and only go down the other pipe is it gets clogged, true prio

[ruby sorrel]

it's just ports forcing roundrobin order

[mystic glen]

only issue is it halves max throughput so 1/s for pipes

15/min for belts

[subtle finch]

yeah i made something similar for belts but for a different purpose

[mystic glen]

but yeah the fact you need to prime it with an in loop material makes it a bit umpractical for "mass adoption"

I saw this belt design too, from the looks of it it should handle 30/min for belts, assuming you place a splitter before it to generate the two input belts

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1swxc2o/can_anyone_improve_my_fallsafe_design/

[mystic glen]

gonna be honnest, not sure what I'm looking at, as in what is it supposed to do?

[subtle finch]

it's a full rate clog detector

maybe there's an easier way

[shadow void]

How about now

[mystic glen]

I honnestly just rigged everything assuming they are all high purity. Since I don't want to redo hydro pumps later on once we reach max development

[ruby sorrel]

it's k jingyu is max

[marble yarrow]

"FUTUREPROOFERS" 😭 😭 😭

[mystic glen]

wait it doesn't go up anymore?

[shadow void]

saves 30 power

[mystic glen]

I thought it was global per region?

is it per actual map?

[subtle finch]

you futureproofed your base too 😭

[shadow void]

Kinda worth it