aic-factory

[fervent lodge]

that is still too sparse to my liking tbh

[dreamy jungle]

nvm there's a simpler solution

[agile marlin]

miniaturization is the reduction of space used, tf are you saying lmao

[rare moon]

Pack up the ziplines

[agile marlin]

sparse?

[marble yarrow]

fr

[fervent lodge]

air gaps, long belts

[rare moon]

Bro has turrets too

[agile marlin]

well like i said, just drafting. could probably be reduced further. my bane is trying to work out logistics of bridging, a great example of that is my not seeing the "bridge trick" pointed out to me earlier

[final sierra]

what about something like this 🤔 (the only problem is that Stopper starts moving before your sloweriser started working)

[fervent lodge]

i just realized it's making stabilized carbon

what for?

xiranite?

[uneven aspen]

the point is to not use any more space for stash or depot loader

[agile marlin]

notice how i'm not using Wuling plants

[fervent lodge]

then what is the objective

[marble yarrow]

theyre sweating out on 80k-ing every valley4 item

[agile marlin]

minituarization for fun. pick a final output product, see how small you can make the production line

[uneven aspen]

as for offline test, im just gonna use AIC report and hope it shows 6/min

[fervent lodge]

but minituarization means using wuling plants

[marble yarrow]

(sweating out also lmaooo)

[fervent lodge]

-25 cells for each planter loop

[agile marlin]

not if you're building in Valley IV

[shut hearth]

Sorry what? Y can place reactors outside aic and have them run?

[fervent lodge]

but you can't make xiranite in v4

[agile marlin]

correct

which is why xiranite isn't the chosen end product

[fervent lodge]

what is the end product then

[marble yarrow]

purification (they dont use belts)

[final sierra]

or you can use produce unique item based on flow, dont use it and count difference

[agile marlin]

stabilized carbon, obviously

[rare moon]

Bro just wants carbon

[agile marlin]

the meta-focused mind cannot comprehend the joys of doing something just to do it

[fervent lodge]

i guess having lots of coal is the self goal

[dreamy jungle]

as long as you have fun

[uneven aspen]

the issue idk when the game swaps from online to offline mode

meanwhile offline aic report should be fine enough

[shut hearth]

Item belts aside im asking if those reactors outside bounds are running, like are they producing fluid

[fervent lodge]

in which case what is the purpose of minituarizing it if you can fill the depot in under a day

[real crescent]

fluid stuff works outside, belt stuff doesnt

[fervent lodge]

enigma

[final sierra]

NO, I need them all

[lime stag]

Feck should have realized this it's brilliant

[shut hearth]

Ty for the answer

[rare moon]

Can you fit 10 sand leaf and 10 jincao planters in a outpost for me with shred and refine

[real crescent]

people build a working factory on top of the monitoring center kites

[agile marlin]

🤔

[marble yarrow]

they can, as long as they're only using pipes

[agile marlin]

it's useless because Valley IV can't make use of 90/m carbon, but i'll take the praise anyways ig

[shut hearth]

Yes i saw that and that was what i was asking about lmao

[marble yarrow]

they arent reactors btw

[shadow void]

cant belt outside the zone, but you can pipe

[lime stag]

Way more compact than my builds... And made the mistake of using wuling plants

[shut hearth]

WAIT WHAT my eyes deceive me

[real crescent]

its quirky and i wouldnt be suprised if they fix it at some point

[agile marlin]

dear god no, if you're building in Wuling you use Wuling plants. Wuling plants simplify carbon lines MASSIVELY

[shadow void]

thats a Purifier

[marble yarrow]

are u fr??

[shut hearth]

Yeah i didnt zoom and see the details

[shadow void]

Doubly

[marble yarrow]

i have a ghost town

[shadow void]

wwoooooOOoooo

[fervent lodge]

same

full gourd

[lime stag]

Must submit misread something

[agile marlin]

[marble yarrow]

awaiting deployment

[shut hearth]

Are there any 7 xiranite outpost setups that involve using the output ports of the aic to avoid using tons of wires?

[agile marlin]

i'm curious why you have crucibles in that build, and why they're rotated wrong

[fervent lodge]

i have the 10 xiranite setup but no plants

[dreamy jungle]

how much power this will use?

[marble yarrow]

they are placeholders for the 4 new forges

[fervent lodge]

it epicly uses aic as a coal belt

[marble yarrow]

wait lets try

[shut hearth]

In the sky king outpost?!

[fervent lodge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494836385377419294

[subtle finch]

made the pipes slightly more symmetric

[marble yarrow]

💀

[agile marlin]

ah, gotcha. if i'm not mistaken, that setup is producing xiranite at 50% efficiency though

[marble yarrow]

fr?

[shadow void]

looks magnificent

[dreamy jungle]

bruh

[marble yarrow]

newbie spotted

slandering fruit's bp

[agile marlin]

i'm still examining, but it looks like you're pushing 2 carbon into the initial forges, but then feeding it through to a second forge, meaning each will only get half the carbon it needs?

[fervent lodge]

wtf forge passthrough

new meta

[dreamy jungle]

[marble yarrow]

?

[agile marlin]

correction, 2 of the forges are working at 50% while the 3rd is at full

[rare moon]

couldn't fit another 汤

[dreamy jungle]

pls examine this setup#1487561669180788867 message

[marble yarrow]

actually, its 50% "i wanna send 2 xira to forge and stash 1 coz i have free effluent from test area" and 50% "imma just use 1 for effluent and 2 for forge"

[fervent lodge]

man the fluid distribution is completely different from how i'd do it lmao

can you send i wanna show what i'd do

[marble yarrow]

otherwise the 3 forges are 100% doing xiranite

[fervent lodge]

gonna test the touch interface as i already went to bed

[agile marlin]

oh wait, no, i'm misinterpreting that. the first forge is producing xiranite and then feeding the xiranite through, the carbon won't continue

[subtle finch]

i try to avoid 3 series splitters, or using fake pipes for symmetry
https://enkad.enka.network/?id=a0V6j5k4N9N3A5

[fervent lodge]

hm, why?

series

[subtle finch]

cause they don't work properly

[fervent lodge]

hoeh

[subtle finch]

it chokes the machine a bit enough to notice in aic report

[fervent lodge]

haven't had a single issue with them

[subtle finch]

pretty sure its still not fixed

[fervent lodge]

curious

[agile marlin]

for clarification, what are you referring to by "3 series splitters"?

[shadow void]

something like this

?

[fervent lodge]

that but with pipes

[agile marlin]

so what i use for my thermals sometimes

[vital narwhal]

3series splitters should still be a problem, noticed a few days that two of my forges in the seven forge outpost were being choked of water from 3series splitter, had to reroute pipes to halving only to fix

[shadow void]

could it also be effected by distance and how much fluid is in it

[agile marlin]

is it just 3 splitters in a row, or splitter into splitter in general?

[dreamy jungle]

hexerin were you for real with the xira?

[subtle finch]

why? 😭

[agile marlin]

i also clarified right out the gate that i wasn't sure about it

[lusty violet]

yea, i had issues with manifold pipe setups too

[dreamy jungle]

the reactors are placeholders

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message

[agile marlin]

yes...?

[marble yarrow]

dw they just got confused with my belts after the forge, otherwise the xira are 100% efficient

[agile marlin]

i was confused why they were like that, so i asked him for clarification and he answered. for all i know he was just ensuring that the lines were off beyond the on/off switch

[marble yarrow]

(because the reactor there shouldnt actually be making effluent since i am expecting free effluent from test area)

[ruby sorrel]

I wonder if I can find a phase where it doesn't work cus no gaps

stuff goes cw starting from ccw side?

[marble yarrow]

effluent mode vs "where tf is my free effluent"

[nova osprey]

harunachan, lets get you to bed

[subtle finch]

my guess is the series splitters doesn't obey the pipe topology when processing, and a transfer gets skipped in some ticks because of that

[nova osprey]

we'll wake you up when test area comes out

[marble yarrow]

im deprived

[nova osprey]

holy shit

[dreamy jungle]

was starting to get confused myself but ye was right

[nova osprey]

yeah you need sleep

[agile marlin]

correct. the belts confused me for a minute because i forgot you can input an output to feed it through (xiranite from the first forge to the second forge, where it would just pass through to the stash after). was thinking the carbon was going to pass through, which would've prevented the first forge in either of the two lines from working

[fervent lodge]

did you test on actual item yields?

[marble yarrow]

wake me up when Heavy Xira burning has begun

[fervent lodge]

thinking maybe it's just visual desync

[subtle finch]

yes

[fervent lodge]

i literally never had that happen, always run chains like this

everywhere

[nova osprey]

[astral forge]

is it pipe specific? im using a series splitter for an originium thermal bank line and it seems to be holding up well

[agile marlin]

how? i've been producing since like an hour after the event started

[fervent lodge]

stragety

[nova osprey]

probably 16/min

[rare moon]

Was 48/min in the beginning

[agile marlin]

complete sacrifice of all other production?

[marble yarrow]

bing chilling

[nova osprey]

me too

though imma switch to 12/min hxira and 4.5 sc batt soon

[agile marlin]

even if you produce infinite/m you still get throttled by the outposts though?

[serene rock]

I actually attached mine to my xiranite farm im getting a few not much but its growing

[shadow void]

🙁

[nova osprey]

regular gourd can't keep up with the outposts though

it's inefficient as heck

[astral forge]

you can trade for certs even if outposts are drained

[astral forge]

not that you should but you can

[marble yarrow]

outpost chill rn

[nova osprey]

[subtle finch]

you know the exact time to stop selling?

[agile marlin]

i'm at 8/min and outposts outproduce me a bit, so i wouldn't be surprised at a little higher production working. but there's still a cap because outpost production is fixed

[shadow void]

staying on top of mine

[rare moon]

i switched to like 11/min

[fervent lodge]

not too far behind

[marble yarrow]

gmt+8

[agile marlin]

wait, you can?

[subtle finch]

it's different per outpost right?

[marble yarrow]

i actually just based it in sky king lmaooo

wait lets try emptying them

[nova osprey]

if you dump all xiranite to gourds that's only 16/min gourds, for a total of 38400 certs/hour

that's not even enough to buy out sky king flats outpost

[agile marlin]

oh, you can. that explains it then

[fervent lodge]

what are you calcing btw
jade gourd dump it?

[subtle finch]

yes

[agile marlin]

i don't want to rebuild my Wuling AIC again 😭

[nova osprey]

then dont, you really dont need to

[agile marlin]

but i want those gourd certs...

[rare moon]

You'll get there eventually

Really no rush

[nova osprey]

[subtle finch]

shouldn't be necessary because of the auto-trade in, but im burning batteries atm, so the bills still matter

[agile marlin]

my only fear is that my 8/min won't be enough to clear out the phase 2 shop too

[shadow void]

save as much Hetonite (rock) and Hvy Xiranite that you can

[astral forge]

cc @subtle finch

[nova osprey]

i will get enough gourds to 0 to 100 my stock bills when event ends

[nova osprey]

imagine

[subtle finch]

yeah, just pipes receiving the exact liquid quantity

[rare moon]

We get new recipe part 2

[astral forge]

interesting

[rare moon]

Need to up production

Goodbye batteries

[nova osprey]

make it a more realistic number but only possible if you stocked up pre event

rigged game

[serene rock]

Modern problems call for modern solutions i got 5 of these

[fervent lodge]

20kk is realistic

[nova osprey]

[astral forge]

do pipes tick every half a second or what

i wonder if its like

[subtle finch]

i realized i can go 12/min heavy until the end of the event

[rare moon]

Yea

[shadow void]

think Harunachan posted something about the total bills you can make

[subtle finch]

i just need to transfer hc bats

[nova osprey]

pipes can run 2/s which is enough for 4 formulas

[astral forge]

every tick it tries to push 2/s but when the facility is full it only is able to push 1 unit and it doesn't further push the remaining 1 unit down the line

[agile marlin]

i hope someday we get faster belts/pipes

[rare moon]

1.4

Or 2.0

[nova osprey]

i thought we were talking certs not bills though, you can definitely get 20 mil bills from this event extra, but certs should be at around 6.67mil

[marble yarrow]

actually its just up to the point where i didnt count the auto-convert

[shadow void]

Derp, nvm

[agile marlin]

is the extra 1 unit just fizzled, or does it clog things up?

[astral forge]

idk im just theorizing why series splitters for pipes fail

[agile marlin]

ah, gotcha

[nova osprey]

yeah it's 7 mil from the bonus 10% and then extra 14 mil bills from 0 to 100 post event trade

[subtle finch]

you can try it in your cuprium refiner if you like

[nova osprey]

oh wait im dumb am i

[fervent lodge]

i'd theorycraft the fail because it's valuable for sim but my entire factory is on series splitters and it never did anything weird

[nova osprey]

i think im dumb

xD

[shadow void]

there it is

[nova osprey]

yeah that's right nvm

i forgot

[astral forge]

maybe you just got cursed with sim jank temporarily and you managed to see

[marble yarrow]

total certs: 3.9M

[shadow void]

ezpz

[tough berry]

rolls wish 2nd event come soon so lazy waitig

[shadow void]

and they want 800k for the medal

[astral forge]

fwiw my hetonite is using series splitters for acid iirc and it doesn't seem to be failing

[nova osprey]

well i know what i need to do

[tough berry]

is new gourd include in 800k?

[nova osprey]

drop all battery production

[nova osprey]

yes

[fervent lodge]

does this include shoveling valley 4 hc

[shadow void]

if you sell just 20k jade gourds for the trimmed medal you get 600k

[fervent lodge]

if not. why.

[tough berry]

then i coutinue spamming 12 heavy then lel

[nova osprey]

if you make 200k certs by phase 2, trading 20k will get you the trim and badge at the same time

[shadow void]

dont remember if it did, its Harunachans picture

[nova osprey]

i think it's an oversight, i overlooked smth as well

which is the fact that i only looked at extra bills that could be made via event, but forgot about what could be traded in event

[shadow void]

he mentions hoarded materials

[nova osprey]

or idk

[marble yarrow]

it only counts gourds sold in relation to bills prepared on phase 1 + phase 2 outposts bill generation

so any extra will count towards the auto convert since you cannot sell it anymore (which i didnt compute for)

[tough berry]

we got 3 days left right?

or 4?

[nova osprey]

until phase 2 drops? yeah

until phase 1 is over? no

[subtle finch]

i should actually set an alarm

[marble yarrow]

also you can sell it even after outpost has no bills (for certs)

[nova osprey]

oh god

[marble yarrow]

(which i wont)

[tough berry]

sadge only 50k we can farm left then

[marble yarrow]

no bill no deal

[tough berry]

of heavy

[agile marlin]

that's the not-yet-released one, i'm assuming. since the one we actually have is only 10 certs per so would be 200k certs with 20k trades

[nova osprey]

only 50k hxiranite? im going to have 180k+ gourds by end of event

[marble yarrow]

im assuming the jade gourds have better certs given

[nova osprey]

actually yk what

im just going to dump everything into hxira

[agile marlin]

i'm probably fine then

[nova osprey]

and alternate xira and hxira with remaining 72/min xira

[shadow void]

if you setup jade gourds using just the 6/m hvy we make now, yes

[zealous gust]

what is trimming?

[shadow void]

This is all assuming 120/30 stockbill/cert

[agile marlin]

i'm not currently producing heavy xiranite, but i'm assuming it'll be fine?

[marble yarrow]

WHAT THE FUCK IS SC BATTERY 🥀 🥀 🥀

[tough berry]

they so evil making hv needed forge cpuld get 18 heavy per min rn if its not forge

[agile marlin]

fancy medal if you do the "harder" thing

[nova osprey]

RAAAAA 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[subtle finch]

[nova osprey]

i will make

360k gourds

watch me

[astral forge]

even if it hypothetically didn't you still can't get 18/m since you're bottlenecked by xira

actually maybe not

[agile marlin]

Discord said "lmaorekt"

[shadow void]

lol

[astral forge]

no nvm that is enough

[tough berry]

ya 16 max

[nova osprey]

i will make 10.8 mil certs

[keen river]

generic scammer runby

[astral forge]

7.5 * 4 is what 30

[fervent lodge]

just capped on hetonite. hmmmmmmmmmm

[marble yarrow]

this and i have proto stashes

[astral forge]

yeah actually nvm 8 lines of xiranite can do 18/m hxira

[nova osprey]

yeah whats up

[shadow void]

what is the absolute bare minimum jade gourds you'd need to make in a week to get trim

[agile marlin]

"hv" as in the third tier battery? needs forge output? forreal?

[nova osprey]

nice nice

[astral forge]

nothing much whats up with you

[keen river]

<@&956153874383781928>

[nova osprey]

[subtle finch]

they should make the scammer post the landmine, first to chat after it gets muted

[tough berry]

yups

[tough berry]

well they making 12 or 16 forge next update

[shadow void]

those have been poping up every day now, kinda lame

[nova osprey]

12

[astral forge]

we have 12 starting may something

[shadow void]

i think those cryptoscam bots are causing discords problem

[nova osprey]

when event ends we will have 12

[agile marlin]

i've been getting a lot of ghost pings from other servers of late, wouldn't surprise me if the bots are causing issues with Discord tbh

[astral forge]

we should be able to keep the xiranite bottles and use those as the dedicated carry bottles

im a bit too poor for hetonite bottles

[agile marlin]

eww, the new ones look ugly

[shadow void]

we need to make ~2/m Jade Gourds to hit trim

thats a joke

[keen river]

there is also a pressure cooker you craft as intermediate now

[shadow void]

10x the requirements

[fervent lodge]

what if there's double trim

[astral forge]

damn i can only get like 24/m or something

[nova osprey]

im gonna be forced to make 30/min for a majority of the time

[merry wagon]

would HG delete the gourds if you keep them on the funny circular conveyor belt

[tough berry]

that be blessing

2 trim

[shadow void]

I'll be making 42 for awhile

[fervent lodge]

or dropped on the ground in dijiang

[marble yarrow]

planning to do that, and dropping that in dijiang

lmaooo

[tough berry]

wait zwei idea nices

[agile marlin]

there's no way they'd force us to stockpile before the product is available though

[marble yarrow]

just before reset

[shadow void]

I'll be running 42/m for atleast 2.5 days

[nova osprey]

oh no definitely no way they're going to force us to stockpile, some of us are just crazy

[agile marlin]

playerbase isn't that hardcore, and that'd be a big deviation from both this and OG AK

[swift steppe]

I'm already nearly clear the phase 1 shop with 12/min output

[shadow void]

the good, but sad truth

[tough berry]

only time hg goes hard core is cc

rest nope

[agile marlin]

actually hard trim medals should be reserved for hard content like the upcoming CC imo

not that it's hard to get trim in OG AK CC either...

[nova osprey]

they better make those casuals taste ptsd

[subtle finch]

at this point, it's more impressive to have the patience and not touch the shop at all

[agile marlin]

god yes, please

[tough berry]

im still not at peace i feel like my current lineup for cc not enough lel

[shadow void]

I mean, its just a trim medal, the rewards are easily obtainable

[swift steppe]

CC grinders go for high score anyways

[agile marlin]

let me taste it again, i suffered SO BAD in the beta and first few seasons of CC in OG AK

[tough berry]

its beta cc they will taiste ptsd

[nova osprey]

[astral forge]

new cc risk only 1 refining unit allowed

[fervent lodge]

inner peace

[agile marlin]

i never completed Jazz™ either (Ceobe's Fungimist)

[tough berry]

hg beta cc allways hellish 1 hit red knife 6hrs battle for 2nd beta lel

[fervent lodge]

i already got zfy i don't need oros

[nova osprey]

[fervent lodge]

...yet

[agile marlin]

still so mad that they didn't add Jazz™ to the permanent mode

[nova osprey]

that was a time

[shadow void]

Is the Etchspace Salvage like a leadup to whatever CC is. I just got that impression from the last Etchspace missions and my little knowledge on what CC is

[nova osprey]

not at all

[astral forge]

no

[nova osprey]

[agile marlin]

if anything, that trio boss mode is the water testing for CC

[swift steppe]

Monumental Etching(?)'s modifiers is closer to that

[agile marlin]

blanking on the name atm

[nova osprey]

trio boss mode?

[agile marlin]

Umbral Monument

[nova osprey]

ah

[keen river]

i have no clue what CC is or how they will implement it but

[agile marlin]

i expect CC will be that on steroids

[nova osprey]

yeah umbral is closer to cc

[nova osprey]

same

[astral forge]

um is just binary cc

[keen river]

seeing umbral monument its probably just going to be some mediocre modifier and thats about it

[nova osprey]

if they do that we riot

[agile marlin]

hopefully not, that's all CC is in OG AK

[swift steppe]

It's more about stacking modifiers

[shadow void]

In the Etchspace Salvage missions they were talking about making changes to the protocol space if i'm not mistaken

[agile marlin]

you play CC for the OST, more than anything

[shadow void]

made me think of adding moddifiers

[tough berry]

they planning it to is but weirdly thwy dint implement rougelite

[agile marlin]

CC#8 battle theme is still peak af

[tough berry]

guess it just test till they find proper way to turn it to is

[swift steppe]

Endfield's roster is too light for a roguelite this early, and just 4 squad slots is pretty limiting

[agile marlin]

if they ever add an IS equivalent then my life is over, i'll be in that 24/7

[nova osprey]

for cc it could be more modifiers like:

enemies can't be combusted/electrified -> means you cannot laev combo or zhuang fangyi is completely useless
more enemies spawn per wave -> you have 3 of the UM chargers running at you at all times instead of 2
healers can't be used -> rely on defenders for healing
etc

[tough berry]

they cpuld make its semi rougelite wheres its only gears no char swaps

[nova osprey]

you get to choose which modifiers you use though

for the og cc at least

probably gonna be the same here, wouldn't make sense otherwise

[tough berry]

funny enough they make sure to call it cc

just to cause ptsd

[agile marlin]

i'd anticipate that we'd keep the 4x squad, but the operator recruitment would be for our actual pool to build the squad from. then probably limit squad changes to a special area (like the campfires in Etchspace)

[tough berry]

when we in talos allready not terra

[nova osprey]

og arknights actually has a semi roguelite

it's called integrated strategies, so if we get that gamemode as a teaser, we're getting roguelike

[swift steppe]

I could see the Contingency Contract system carrying over with Catastrophe Messengers, but for other situations in the non-Band areas.

[agile marlin]

IS is so based and the best thing ever, god i love it so much

[keen river]

i expect the choice of modifiers will be from

• no perfect dodge
• no SP regen
• no consumables
• damage over time
  🙁

lets hope im wrong

[nova osprey]

[nova osprey]

could be

[marble yarrow]

next imma litter stashes in qingbo stockade

[agile marlin]

no consumables is a death sentence for squad building, forces Ardy or Xaihi

[subtle finch]

sounds like no fun too

[agile marlin]

physical squads just wouldn't even be possible to build

[tough berry]

im expecting low sp regen slow stam recovery no item allowed as basic ban

[nova osprey]

the things an arknights player does for fun

[shadow void]

how much you got now

[keen river]

no items is such an ass modifier tbh

[agile marlin]

or wait no, maybe you could fit Xaihi if you run Alesh instead of Poggers

[tough berry]

ardy and xaihi need sp though

only ember and snowshine good healer rn since combo

[keen river]

ardelia has massive healing if you give her healing items

[agile marlin]

i mean i'm screwed regardless, i only have this

[shadow void]

if only i had that weapon 🙁

[nova osprey]

you'll probably be able to swap operators for another to make cc easier, at high risks

though you already know that gravel simp

[agile marlin]

Gravel, my beloved

saving for you

[tough berry]

whats her healing power i found snowshine got 3k

[rare moon]

ding

time to switch productions

[nova osprey]

winner winner chicken dinner

[agile marlin]

the clean quantity scratches my 'tism

thank you for that

[shadow void]

I wanna know whats gonna be in the Phase 2 shop

[marble yarrow]

only 95k, depot + stash. im also storing some xira @ 48k total rn

[agile marlin]

another single pull, and assorted resources we already have too much of

[rare moon]

do i buy now or see big number

[agile marlin]

number must grow

[shadow void]

Number big, good

[agile marlin]

wait until the final day, see how big you can get it

[marble yarrow]

(im also storing xira in case some shi happens and restrictions appears)

[nova osprey]

i mean you can wait until the event ends, it's not like the shop closes right away

you got a day to trade it all in

[agile marlin]

oh true

[nova osprey]

idk if it's a day, but yk, you at least have a day

[agile marlin]

i'm too traumatized by CC shop ig

[shadow void]

i done goofed, i bought most of the shop already

[nova osprey]

[tough berry]

is ccshop perma?

[keen river]

no sure, basically her battle skill spawns 3 consumables that each heal for ~2k and if you have her at +2 also second operator for half of it

[agile marlin]

looks like just shy of a week

[keen river]

and then her ulti spawns like 10 of those consumables

[nova osprey]

iirc the currency stays but items change

[keen river]

and you can spam it since it regens pretty fast

[nova osprey]

it's been a longggg while since i played though

[shadow void]

dosent it heal the worst dmg character too

[agile marlin]

i don't have any of her potential, so dunno if that changes anything

[agile marlin]

correction, i have one potential, but that improves her battle skill, not that talent

good god, that's a powerful potential

[nova osprey]

aceship doesn't have endfield info yeah?

[versed ferry]

How do I tell the game which refining unit I want

[keen river]

its super strong on those continous damage taken events

poison etc

[versed ferry]

It keeps having water

[agile marlin]

really don't like how Endfield has made potentials so game-changing compared to OG AK

[keen river]

click it and disable the water input in its gui

[nova osprey]

same 😭

[agile marlin]

for initial placement, you can't. have to manually disable every time

[swift steppe]

Endfield ones do more, but at the same time not really affecting daily/event level stuff unless you're really pushing the ceiling.

[tough berry]

well they invest to much and many ppl who dint play og ak changes the tactical ak battle to action battle which cost more

[agile marlin]

still though, sucks

[tough berry]

true

[agile marlin]

that being said, i can't be too hard about it

[keen river]

tbh, on most operators, upgrading potential of weapon has bigger impact i feel

the operator impact is usually some flat stat boost, although some are pretty busted

[agile marlin]

there are a few cases of game-changing potentials in OG AK too. Blaze, Surtr, Pram Alter, etc

[versed ferry]

Ty

[versed ferry]

Yeah the factory system has been driving me insane

[keen river]

like Yvonne potenial is just bunch of "get +10% of x"

[versed ferry]

I don’t like it

I try to ignore it

[shadow void]

adding half the healing to the operator with the lowest health is pretty big tho

[versed ferry]

I feel like half the time my things break and i spend hours trying to fix it

[keen river]

but this seem to be prety busted

[swift steppe]

I'd point at Bagpipe Potential 5 the most, but that isn't as important now with more options.

[tough berry]

nah wrong most game changes is bagpipe and mostima bagpipe gives more sp while mostima allows 99% slow

[agile marlin]

there's a handful of minor gripes i have with the AIC system, but overall it's good imo

[agile marlin]

Surtr gets an entire extra second in her invuln, which is huge in a lot of cases

[swift steppe]

That kinda loops back into "what situations are you getting into with that"

[agile marlin]

same for Blaze, although it's less often to come into play

[nova osprey]

i heard everyone hates wisadel

[agile marlin]

nah, roach is based

[nova osprey]

chen 2.0 all over again

[agile marlin]

have both W and Wis maxed out completely

[nova osprey]

at least people like chen 3.0

[keen river]

this also seem prettty strong

[versed ferry]

How do I get rid of sewage

[nova osprey]

10s is strong yeah

[lone plover]

Guess who just lost 20 hours of production because he forgot to turn on the Fluid Supply Unit that dumped water from the Purification Unit eating the Inert Effluvium

[shadow void]

Water Treatment

[nova osprey]

water treatment unit or use it in a recipe

[tough berry]

shock never see my surt hits 0 hp (pulls out hospital team ahahaah)

[keen river]

there is a dedicated bu8ilding for it

[versed ferry]

My machine keeps being slow on it cause of sewage

[agile marlin]

who's that?

[nova osprey]

fangyi

[shadow void]

'

[keen river]

fangyi

[agile marlin]

explains why i don't recognize, don't have her

[nova osprey]

[agile marlin]

i have none of the limited operators

[nova osprey]

waiting for gravel

[keen river]

her whole kit is built around staacking those sunderblades

[agile marlin]

only put in the freebie 10 pulls on each

[nova osprey]

and roach

[keen river]

their default duration is 36s so adding 10s to them is massive

[nova osprey]

there's no way we don't get roach in endfield though

[agile marlin]

i pray every day || even though i know it won't happen 😭 ||

[shadow void]

Expecting to need the Oroberyls later?

[tough berry]

wait how will she play this time defender? who got unli revive and takes % of ally damage to it self?

[swift steppe]

Wis'adel S3 flattening normal stages is why she gets hate, is at least interesting to work around when stages aren't finished by the time ammo is spent.

[versed ferry]

Is there a way to split my sewage? Like I need it for heavy xiranite but I don’t need that many

[lone plover]

Don't worry none of them outperform non-limited Phys team

[keen river]

yeah, just build some sort of priority spliter

[nova osprey]

partially joking

not sure if she's actually gonna be added since well, she's not as iconic

she might though BC she's super useful in og

as for how she'll play, she'll probably be a different class @.@

[tough berry]

well she can be added

[nova osprey]

yeahh

[tough berry]

look at snowshine

[nova osprey]

true true

[tough berry]

she not even remembered char except for ninces ppl

who play ice team

[agile marlin]

if Gravel gets added, i wouldn't be surprised if she were changed to a striker (she's an assassin in lore) or an SP battery

[tough berry]

i want ceobe to be added lel

[agile marlin]

that being said, Snowshine's counter mechanic could work thematically to what Gravel primarily is used for in OG too

[tough berry]

and we need ceobe food factory to maintain her

[shadow void]

I honestly dont get this

[nova osprey]

that's gravel xD

[agile marlin]

you asked if i'm expecting to need oroberyls later, the answer is Gravel

[versed ferry]

How do I do that

[versed ferry]

Would a normal pipe splitter work?

[tough berry]

ya

[keen river]

for example something like this, top gets most, left gets some

[lone plover]

Nah she just grabs a chunk of flesh from the target enemy as her Combo skill and munches on it, like Albina from Limbus

[shadow void]

I, still dont get it. Do you have no oroberyls?

[versed ferry]

I mean I just need it to not back up when it gets full

Cause it stops production when it’s full

[nova osprey]

they have 0 lim operators so i think they have like, 130k orundums or smth

oroberyls*

[keen river]

i just do something like this, good enough

[agile marlin]

i don't have enough for pot6

[uneven aspen]

6/min origocrust looks like it worked offline

[nova osprey]

wowieeee

[shadow void]

saving it all up, thats gotta feel lonely

[nova osprey]

i could never

[agile marlin]

nope, anything for her

[agile marlin]

🤔

[shadow void]

for deliverys in V4?

[agile marlin]

that being said, Mi Fu will test me greatly if she's good for my needs

[lone plover]

Mi Fu will be a Breach character

trust me my dad works at HG

[agile marlin]

|| that's what my carbon miniaturization is for ||

[marble yarrow]

yeah i tried that setup as well, the bridge-less one. fairly consistent. also i count the consistency of the actual belt (like 1000100000 by which 1 is a belt slot occuped) in a repeating batch

[versed ferry]

Wait what do I use to turn sewage into water

[nova osprey]

you don't

[lone plover]

Water Treatment Plant turns sewage into nothing

[tough berry]

i want may 14

i want no water treatment

i want free treatment area

[marble yarrow]

fr

[lone plover]

Sewage is also used to turn Liquid Xiranite into Xiranite Effluvium, where the byproduct of Inert Effluvium gets turned into water and normal Effluvium at the Purification Plant at a 4:1 ratio
so uh, I guess that's it?

[shadow void]

you bottle that stuff

[marble yarrow]

i wanna delete treatment units for facility slot

[minor ravine]

WHY TF ISNT IT LETTING ME PLACE THIS THING HERE

[tough berry]

i want less power

[agile marlin]

this mans is producing non-ferrium bottles

[nova osprey]

move it backwards by 2

[minor ravine]

my cursor is at the level of the pipe entrance

it pushes the pump like 2 tiles upwards

[agile marlin]

because you put a relay there to push power to the farm

[shadow void]

really, boredom, but hopefully, pluggin into Purification Nodes

[marble yarrow]

means u cant

[nova osprey]

just keep trying

[marble yarrow]

find another spot

dead spot there

[lone plover]

The non-pipe part is over water

[shadow void]

maybe if you step onthe side of a protocol stash it'll let you at some weird angle

[versed ferry]

This might finally work

[agile marlin]

🤔 why is that one pylon out of alignment...

[minor ravine]

i didnt tho

[uneven aspen]

looks like the double splitter around the converger can make it work away from entrance as well like the 5/min trick hikarin showed me

now it's to see if i can just remove the extra belts inbetween

[agile marlin]

much better

[agile marlin]

i have Wuling-wide water mining setup, so i don't need to push power outside the AIC other than the farm :P

[marble yarrow]

what miners are u using for ferrium

[tough berry]

hexe turning plantation to diablo portal zone

[agile marlin]

water miners on literally everything in Wuling

saves a little bit of power across the region

[marble yarrow]

yeah mine too

[agile marlin]

was absolute hell to get it setup efficiently tho

[shadow void]

it is weird you can put a stash there

[marble yarrow]

i use 2 pumps for every 7 or 8 mining node

[shadow void]

dang i pushed myself into a loop of drowning

[tough berry]

main problem is the 1 mine node at tang tang place you need to inlet outlet allthe way to lower wuling

[agile marlin]

how so, it's a 3x3 spot

[shadow void]

its weird cuz i pump would fit but wont

[marble yarrow]

pump placed there is auto pushed out

while placing

means the water shore moves away

in my understanding

[shadow void]

makes sense

not visually tho

[nova osprey]

i think it's probably the water is forward a few squares so it cant reach even then there's a 3x3 spot

[agile marlin]

nah, you pipe from Jingyu

[marble yarrow]

i remembered hovering on dat area

[leaden siren]

what is the correct use for Dispender Fluids?

[frozen thicket]

is anyone having an issue with xircon production where you can't get the just right amount of sewage input to not clog and not starve the reactor at the same time

[tough berry]

i only did skip piping there at buttom to upper lol

[nova osprey]

nope o.o;;

[nova osprey]

whats your setup like

[tough berry]

btw thats bug right?

since pass 200

[agile marlin]

wait, you're right. it can't align correctly

[frozen thicket]

i cant figure out what the setup is T-T

[nova osprey]

probably tp method

[frozen thicket]

what do you use

[marble yarrow]

more like an unsafe setup

[ruby sorrel]

does the splitter require a belt input instead of converger

[marble yarrow]

there are xircon setups that are better

[keen river]

i think it hits some invisible wall there

[nova osprey]

two expanded using 0.5 ferrium each atm, with half a sewage input into both

[agile marlin]

power and protocol waste, but significantly easier on so many levels

[nova osprey]

there are more space efficient setups though

[plucky niche]

can anyone recommend a good blueprint for the event?

[frozen thicket]

so 1 curpium refinery's sewage split between 2 expanded crucibles?

[shadow void]

Protocol waste?

[uneven aspen]

it's to make the priority the same as if the converger was at teh depot unloader entrance.

[nova osprey]

yeah, with both expanded crucibles running at half rate

[keen river]

there is no usable water, its why

[tough berry]

its only mold and fitting + filling

[frozen thicket]

interesting

[marble yarrow]

protocol waste in a map with no outpost

[nova osprey]

packaging at end but ya

[keen river]

it tries to snap to the water but its in some weird triangle

[shadow void]

i get power waste, but not the protocol waste, especially if you are placing more conduits

[agile marlin]

oh yea, for whatever reason they forgot to put water tiles there

[leaden siren]

how to use this correctly? it don't work on Sewage?

[plucky niche]

ah alr

[shadow void]

cant dump none like fluids

[agile marlin]

only if you dump into an empty fluid node (or one with sewage in it, but there's no infinite sewage nodes)

[nova osprey]

it's not for sewage

[keen river]

its actually ever more funny, they forgot to put water graphics too

[marble yarrow]

i mean just dont pollute the environment

[keen river]

you can see it cut off

[agile marlin]

nice lmao

[keen river]

and to make it even more fun

[keen river]

you can actually walk there

[agile marlin]

amazing

[tough berry]

wait 3 days left for event right guess tommorow i wont use battery to spend in stocks so i can save up stocks when i rushed good gourd later

[shadow void]

lol

[agile marlin]

looks like the water entity is angled for some reason

[shadow void]

yep

[nova osprey]

13 days left for event

[tough berry]

i mean for event phase 2

[nova osprey]

but phase 2 in 3 days

yeah should be 3 days

[agile marlin]

ima just blame Unity, because that's totally something that Unity would suffer from

[marble yarrow]

phase 2 = no sc + burn all originium for 3k+ power

[tough berry]

i shpuld go destroy all my building later lel

[shadow void]

but is it going to be worth it

[nova osprey]

absolutely lol

[tough berry]

so i can make freaking 100 per mins again

till i run out of hv

[shadow void]

Like, is my 148k saved up gonna be worth it

[nova osprey]

if it's 120 per jade gourd you make more from trading gourds than batteries 💀

[shadow void]

ppl mentioned an infinite T-credit cert dump, but also that they removed it

[agile marlin]

what's the theoretical max output of current gourds if one were to dedicate everything to it (and assuming supply of xiranite was entirely used for it)

[tough berry]

sadges they hate us

getting to much credit

[tough berry]

200 300?

since if you use all space of 3 spot you can make alot

[agile marlin]

still within bounds of the game's limits like buildable space and power etc

[tough berry]

i able to do 100

[ruby sorrel]

wait splitters just pick cw or ccw randomly don't they

[tough berry]

without removing my current build of hc potion and teto

so its around 200 and 300 as i thimk

[agile marlin]

wild

[marble yarrow]

sometimes you can rig it if manually placed

[ruby sorrel]

but that kind of inconsistency is not great

[marble yarrow]

for BP placed they kinda meh

[agile marlin]

i'd assume the main limiter would be space for depot outputs, since it's not a perfect fit for the 3x outputs you need per gourd

[ruby sorrel]

are BP placed also random

[tough berry]

nah

[marble yarrow]

yeah. identical bp clones dont have same splitter behavior as ive tried, if 3 outputs are bp placed

[tough berry]

you can setup splitter like this one at fitting has 2 of splitter 1 goes to mold

so you fit in small 2 x space

than having exra 1 at front

[agile marlin]

mould needs 2x outputs

since it takes 1 xiranite per second

[tough berry]

ya thats why i said split it

[uneven aspen]

yeah I've deleted and pasted teh same blueprint like 3-5 times to get it identical to the one next it sometimes

for those belt setups it doesn't matter that much they will operate the same rate after a while

[tough berry]

2 at fitting and 1 at mold =20 and 10 + 30 from exit at mold so 40 20

[uneven aspen]

but if you're going for something really specific . . . gl

[ruby sorrel]

going for no gaps means it could be unreliable if you end up with the version that clashes though

[keen river]

#1499568088495030412 message

[marble yarrow]

i tried that a lot of times in ver 1.0

[plucky niche]

what's a good gourd production rate?
My xiranite's already being eaten up by the factory and I'm at the production cap

[tough berry]

8

[plucky niche]

per minute?

[ruby sorrel]

well I've tried this a few times and it seems to work, hard to be convinced there isn't some order where it doesn't though

[jagged swallow]

uhh which wuling AIC should i look for guys blueprint i mean

[marble yarrow]

for every 15 excess xiranite you are yielding, you get 1/min of gourd

[agile marlin]

how? there's no split potential in the gourd line

[nova osprey]

anyone one you want

[uneven aspen]

one of them is outofsync 😔 felt too lazy to copypaste spam until they all in sync

but for the 2-3 days since the vent they been operating fine in aic report

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova osprey]

cant you just select all three at once then copy paste and it'll sync that way

[marble yarrow]

no

[uneven aspen]

the image is the result of that

[nova osprey]

no?

[uneven aspen]

the image is the result of copy pasting 3 at once

[nova osprey]

damn

[agile marlin]

what are you building towards with that?

[uneven aspen]

12.8/m gourds

[rare moon]

jade gourd is killing my power

[marble yarrow]

if you paste a bp with splitter with 3 paths alongside with it, the clones arent starting with same splitter throw

[tough berry]

that save most space and can spam it

so can see what its like if you fill whole place up

[agile marlin]

ohhhh, you're banking on the extra sub-optimal lines resulting in a higher total output. i didn't get that at first

fancy stuff far outside my skill level

[marble yarrow]

4/min

20/min fitting 40/min moulding

[tough berry]

cant call it fancy if its not bad apple level ahahah

ya

[agile marlin]

Bad Apple in Endfield Soon™
the law of the internet demands it

[tough berry]

usefull only if you want to fill whole place or you doing 16 per min

theres bad apple at yt

[uneven aspen]

already exists

[marble yarrow]

what is bad apple?

[tough berry]

touhou old song meme

[uneven aspen]

bad apple is a touhou song with a music video, and people replicate the music video in different games and tools like a meme

[keen river]

brother, i turned into dust when i read this

[tough berry]

its fampus meme that appear everywhere in all stuff

[uneven aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BynRzlfJ5hg

[keen river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtutLA63Cp8

[marble yarrow]

do item control ports change that way ingame?

[shadow void]

Yeah, I dont get it

[uneven aspen]

they likely had 1 image of all carbon, 1 image of all cryston

[tough berry]

i think they manually place it frame by frame

[uneven aspen]

then edited

[dreamy jungle]

mad

[keen river]

editing it like this is probably super easy

[tough berry]

spesking of weird stuff some dud made calculator in endfield which nuts ahahah

[marble yarrow]

ahh i thought you can do that ingame. so no actual magic

just edit with pixel association

[agile marlin]

nah, that's a million screenshots taken manually frame by frame

or more likely edited with an external tool, considering the belt is still fluidly moving

[shadow void]

The songs fine, but i dont get the meme, unlike 67

[keen river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240Vq6tIxio some madlads used to do it

[agile marlin]

youngster or not an otaku, then

[marble yarrow]

me too lmao am i too dense

[tough berry]

just think of it as enternal meme for building games

[agile marlin]

building games? it's ubiquitous

[keen river]

its not really a meme, it literally predates memes being a thing

[uneven aspen]

You know how everything can run doom? it's same thing except touhou music basically.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqiOUaWuJ1g

[shadow void]

i'm not young but i'm not old, im middle aged

[dreamy jungle]

bad apple showcase now

[keen river]

basically its a tradition to draw bad apple on stuff that can display stuff

[agile marlin]

then yea, you're just too young for it to have stuck to you. it's ancient at this point

[keen river]

it works pretty good because its just line art too

[tough berry]

just wish when dev see mad apple they wont think of making mini game of touhou and make it cc level stuff lol

[marble yarrow]

maybe because im not chronically online years back, only this recent

[shadow void]

Tohou isnt new to me tho

[agile marlin]

i might also be a little biased because Touhou is one of my jams

so i'm just more exposed to it in general

[plucky niche]

hmm
would it be a good idea to unplug the rest of my wuling aic to focus on making gourds for the event

[tough berry]

whisper nick /lunatic

[marble yarrow]

bro has the army ready

[agile marlin]

might be worth for a short term initial boost, since you're starting late

[swift steppe]

Not really, I'm running just 12/min for current gourds and it's nearly done in 1-2 more days.

[tough berry]

can you can still have teto running

[marble yarrow]

fokking shi my heto doesnt match my heavy xira count

[tough berry]

16 per min is teto and that only 12 per min is 6 bat + teto + 15 bottle of xianite flu

[rare moon]

hmm

[keen river]

those are unloaders, they need to go next to the depo

[marble yarrow]

aic unloader

[keen river]

rotate it 180 degrees and it should do

[marble yarrow]

6pc

[agile marlin]

i'm seeing a couple belts going into nothing next to the yahzen powder unloaders, curious about those
EDIT: i'm also seeing things that don't have current recipes. prep for jade gourds, i'm guessing, which would probably explain the dead end belts

[candid wadi]

I was using the ferrium split method and had to treat sewage. I think the better way to do it is to feed only 1st expanded crucible with sewage and pass on both type of effluents using a converger into the 2nd expanded cruicible but the 2nd one shouldnt be fed any sewage. It will use the same sewage that is created while producing xircon. so you basically feed ferrium to only 2nd one and no splitting required. I found this through Hikarin while making a few changes and to optimise battery production along with gourd production for the event.

[marble yarrow]

this is the safer xircon btw

[rare moon]

i got it

[tough berry]

i dont get it

im to db

[rare moon]

i had to rotate the reactor cuz piping

[marble yarrow]

people doing 4x half-xircons 💀 💀

[agile marlin]

how are you producing effluent without xiranite input?

[zealous gust]

how do i click the depot under a pipe when viewing from top view?

[marble yarrow]

where

[agile marlin]

the lower crucibles

[subtle finch]

😭

[green sleet]

Thats the fun part. If you cant tap it, you dont

[agile marlin]

wait no

[marble yarrow]

are u blind

[iron stratus]

has anyone made one of those long modular xira lines for 3x

[agile marlin]

solid xiranite will chain react, right

[iron stratus]

i've only seen 1x and 2x and it's a shame they waste sandleaf

[dreamy jungle]

long?

[iron stratus]

like minimum width

[agile marlin]

was focused on the piping

[marble yarrow]

my xira goat

[subtle finch]

3x would be a closer to a square ratio than 2:1 length

[green sleet]

I made up an entirely seprate line of xira to use the extra powder

[dreamy jungle]

i have a 21x49 or 20x50 that's without stash currently

[subtle finch]

actually yeah, those you made for me should count as long

[iron stratus]

can i see it if you mind

[dreamy jungle]

wait a sec

[plucky niche]

idk rn with 12 gourds a minute and the rest of the factory running (2 sc wuling batteries that are supposed to make 12 a minute but never do cuz they keep clogging) plus a heto line that's also clogged half the time
i'm making 180 xiranite a minute and eating 300

[iron stratus]

i dont see the point in over-producing normal gourds

[uneven aspen]

the purpose of those splitters is to give it priority instead of the depot unloader lane, so the converger doesn't have to stay at the entrance.

The converger seems to prioritize the splitter while ignoring the depot unloader is the reason why the 2 splitters were placed there.

for the right side setup to work like the middle one, need to move it up so the converger is at the entrance of the unloader.

just realized it might be easier to show via video than tell. Notice how the middle one only takes from the depot unloader when there's no item from the splitter. While the right side, the converger goes back and forth.

[plucky niche]

there's other gourds? 💀

[iron stratus]

jade gourd releases in like half a week and it's way better

normal gourds are a bit worse than heavy xira iirc

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I tried it and it doesnt' seem to work all the time

[iron stratus]

jade is supposedly 120 stock bills and 30 event currency

[green sleet]

Whats it gonna cost to make?

[valid gazelle]

Your sanity

[limber iris]

Has anyone tried if we can now start making the next week's event AIC material? I'm not ingame so I cant test it.

[valid gazelle]

Nah jk prob heavy xyranite

[plucky niche]

will the phase 1 of the event still be available then

[iron stratus]

2 heavy xira 1 heto 1 yazhen powder

[plucky niche]

i started the event 30 minutes ago lol

[valid gazelle]

High likely yes

[iron stratus]

or 1 heavy xira i didnt double check the math

[plucky niche]

it needs 4 inputs . . .
what are we making that in

[valid gazelle]

It says "phase" but in most cases events like this don't lock you out

[ruby sorrel]

so many failures into 1/4 instead of 1/5

splitters really need gaps

[green sleet]

Oh boy. Time to stock up on hetonite.

[swift steppe]

Current limit is the timer for phase 2 of the quest.

[plucky niche]

idk tbh the gourds rn are making me better stock bills than the rest of my lines lol

[uneven aspen]

oh you're talking about gaps? mb. splitters only need gaps by convergers afaik

[iron stratus]

1 heavy to heavy xira bottles combine with yazhen soln for filled, then you need 1 heavy turned into heavy xira parts and combine that with a heto for the other part of the recipe

[plucky niche]

cuz the rest of the factory is dysfunctional and jams as soon as a log off istg

[uneven aspen]

they seem to work fine other wise.

[iron stratus]

unless they change something

[plucky niche]

just the hetonite (not parts or smthn)?

[swift steppe]

I don't like messing with super-optimized setups because of offline lag

[ruby sorrel]

2 splitters into same converger needs 1 gap between the 2 or something

otherwise they always clash and do stupid things

[uneven aspen]

yup tried this compact one it fails cause no gaps

need to add back gaps 😔

[iron stratus]

3 heavy xira per minute into a fitting unit, and 3 heavy xira per minute into a moulding unit, then 6 yazhen solution per minute into a filling unit along with the bottles, and 6 heto per minute into a packaging unit with the heavy xira parts, and those two products into another packaging unit for the jade gourds

no heto parts needed

[plucky niche]

alr ty

[dreamy jungle]

@iron stratus have u seen the images of the 3x xira?

[subtle finch]

feel free to copy my 12/min heavy
i don't see anyone posting a lossless one

[iron stratus]

yeah

[limber iris]

Is this for the AIC event material next week?

[iron stratus]

i suppose it's a bit wider than the 2x

[subtle finch]

@ruby sorrel hey, it works

[dreamy jungle]

whats your goal minimum width 3x xira?

[uneven aspen]

gonna try this right side one. I don't want it to be very tall tbh 😔

[iron stratus]

yeah

able to be stacked 4x in the main pac

[subtle finch]

give them 3x the thinnest

[dreamy jungle]

at some width, its just space inefficient

[iron stratus]

it just has to look good and be perfectly energy efficient

[valid gazelle]

fruit what dimensions are these at

[subtle finch]

this dude is picky

[valid gazelle]

[twilit shard]

I just got to gourds

what is this

[valid gazelle]

gourds

no need to thank me

[subtle finch]

the thinnest can't even fit 12 forge in main-aic

[twilit shard]

yknow what I'm just going to make something crude and move on tbh

[dreamy jungle]

ye here

[upper fiber]

i doubt we will make 12 xira

[iron stratus]

if no one else can do it i will

[dreamy jungle]

first is 20x50 without stash, the other 21x49

[valid gazelle]

20x50 for 3 lines hmmm

[dreamy jungle]

haven't continued to try fit the stash

[valid gazelle]

what if i... add 15 more into the length and make it 6.... but then its not like we're doing 12 xyranite lines..

[valid gazelle]

dah

i hate that extra sandleaf powder

nah jk i love sandleaf

best plant

[small creek]

12 xira is impractical, we'll be using some of those for hxira

[upper fiber]

this wasted 1 sandpowder every forge, ofc it won't fit

[silent violet]

man what is even the point of this design

[small creek]

when hc drops, we might even be using all hxira honestly

[silent violet]

who needs an 80x12 single forge

[twilit shard]

no you are not allowed to question our lord and savior Sandleaf.

[subtle finch]

it was a joke to make the thinnest 1 forge layout

[dreamy jungle]

ping if you got a solution, would be curious

[twilit shard]

the closer you can get to a square the better no?

[silent violet]

nope squareness has nothing to do with compactness

[dreamy jungle]

i was tasked a mission

[valid gazelle]

wait fitting 12 xyranites into main aic..

[small creek]

Not necessarily

[valid gazelle]

(if there's a joke im missing im sorry)

[small creek]

Its more about less beltage and empty space

[valid gazelle]

but i think mine can

(idk about 512)

[frozen thicket]

it's more about density of factory modules

[brittle sedge]

any decent setup can fit 12 forge in main aic no?

[valid gazelle]

we're doing how many can you fit the thinnest 1 forge into the main aic

[silent violet]

u can just grab any 2-4 forge bp and put multiple in aic its not hard to fit

[brittle sedge]

oh thinnest i missed that point

[small creek]

this is like "how low can u go" at a beach party

[dreamy jungle]

the thinniest has two wuling plant loops, unless u cheat with depot bus port

[valid gazelle]

if only pipe briges can be placed over the conveyor

that solves 99% of the issue

[silent violet]

is 6 width not possible

[dreamy jungle]

is it?

i mean it would be even longer

[silent violet]

if you put the grinding unit sideways you might have enough space idk

[valid gazelle]

the problem is around the forge i think

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I got something similar, but it does 1/5, 1/5, 1/4, 1/6

[hoary crag]

I actually don't get why ppl are using two planter loops for this setup like... you only need one since shredding unit gives you 2 powder per plant

[dreamy jungle]

over 80 width then

[silent violet]

how u gonna get the powder to the other side

[dreamy jungle]

i know i just made a single unit

🤷

[silent violet]

yeah 6 wide is not possible grinding unit is too fat

sideways you dont have enough space for the inputs

[dreamy jungle]

ye

[silent violet]

probably u can make it work if you ignore how you are gonna get water to the middle

[shadow void]

how many /m Jade Gourds are you even wanting to make

[dreamy jungle]

i also just made 2 versions, one with and one without inlined conduit, was bored

[twilit shard]

wait why are the gourds so cheap and worth so much

bruh

[uneven aspen]

takes a while to have the rate normalize, like 20 minutes for me.

1st splitter is 2 lanes, 2nd splitter is 3 lanes, 3rd splitter is 2 lanes feeding back to the 2 convergers, so it should be approaching 6/min

[twilit shard]

The gourds take significantly less resources than hetonite for being 8 wuling bills cheaper
Why is hetonite so BAD

[subtle finch]

@ruby sorrel maybe you will like this better, inlet is not needed

[ruby sorrel]

lol

[tepid wigeon]

Are both heavy bottles and parts both 1hxira at 20sec for 2 product?

[dreamy jungle]

if you can trust enkad then yeah

[subtle finch]

this time the crucible needs a little bit over half, so a single splitter isn't enough

[mint sentinel]

whats the most convenient way to have an easy source of sewage

[valid gazelle]

copium

[mint sentinel]

i have one but the coprium gets full really quick

[valid gazelle]

then use the said copium

you are supoosed to use them to create stuffs

its a part of a longer chain

the convenience is that sewage is a byproduct that is always there

[mint sentinel]

haiya

so much to tackle

[valid gazelle]

yes but it surely benefits you

so get building

:>

[rare moon]

changed the Q

[hollow rose]

anyone here is using Kyo's setup?

how did you deal with lack of ferrium powder and yahzen?

[brittle sedge]

can anyone tell me why is this clogging or just simulation error

[ruby sorrel]

if you use both inlets and outlets it becomes local depot or sth

just use pumps for the water

[rare moon]

turn off the extras

[subtle finch]

@dreamy jungle i made an alternative version of your design, i feel it's not valid if the water isnt coming from the same side as the bus

[shadow void]

Phase 2 max stock bills accrued by outposts is 15,657,920, thats 130,483 Jade Gourds at 120per which also equals 3,914,490 certs at 30per. Phase 2 lasts 204 hours meaning you need to produce 10.66/m Jade Gourds with nothing at the start.

[ruby sorrel]

that's a lot of gourds

[dreamy jungle]

Oh this looks nice as well

[subtle finch]

this shouldn't run out of yazhen right? i took advantage that it doesn't need a full rate
otherwise it would be 1 tile taller

[rare moon]

max stable production is like 6/min tho since each heavy xiranite needs 4 forges

[ruby sorrel]

are you running half gourd there

[dreamy jungle]

Hmm

[subtle finch]

didn't they already calculated its only around 57k gourd to maximize bills

[shadow void]

If I make 6/m Hvy Xiranite 22.5 Heto (73,440 over 204 hours), and have 148k each stored (80k in v4, 68k in wuling) I'll produce 221,440 gourds

[shadow void]

you mean this

[subtle finch]

yes

[rare moon]

wait 1 heavy makes 2 every 20s so its like 0.5 per 10s

[subtle finch]

or you meant hoard + phase2 produced