aic-factory

[lofty lodge]

i am soo lazy i just do daily and login. Then zone out looking at the factory run

[bright zodiac]

thats why i make the tower do the works

[vale topaz]

picking these rare variants, there's no.... 'crit' rate right ?
or i forgot to stash previous run....

[sterile stratus]

healing stuff

[fringe oasis]

I will never run out of sandleaf ever again

[lofty lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shai-hulud-sandworm-dune-worm-dune-dune-2-sardaukar-gif-5826933029886743139

[sterile stratus]

what are those belts you psycho

[vale topaz]

praise the sandleaf god !!!!

[static isle]

using water pumps for originite and ferrite also save some energy right?

[fringe oasis]

yes

[vale topaz]

you meant hydro rig, right ? yes

[fringe oasis]

You also didn't notice the electric pylon... it's on top of the belt

[bright zodiac]

guys, im cooking premium shit

[lofty lodge]

ferrium yes, but i dunno about originium though

[tall tangle]

meh...

[lofty lodge]

Wtf you selling??? Himalayan salt or something 💀

[vale topaz]

praise the sandleaf god !!!!

[sterile stratus]

ignore the minor detail

wym too far

what

[bright zodiac]

told you, "premium shit"

[rare moon]

Someone put the wrong zipline

[sterile stratus]

oh yeah makes sense

i forgor the second zipline type

[vale topaz]

the other zipline also need to be the 110 type

[sterile stratus]

why tf use that bruh 🥀

[lofty lodge]

oh yeah, forgot we 2 got types of zipline

[sterile stratus]

smh

[bright zodiac]

whats zipline pylon? never heard of it

[rare moon]

Is it edible

[vale topaz]

probably newcomer speed run storyline to wuling and have 0 idea about 110 zipline type ?

[bright zodiac]

zipline pylon is like this guy right here

are you guys even know this thing exist?

[hidden hornet]

Disassemble

[vale topaz]

IIRC we need that to make the hydro rig

[lofty lodge]

pylon at valley is reasonable but in Wuling goddamn how much he skip factory just to reach wuling

[bright zodiac]

welp, trueee, all mk1 and 2 as well tbh

[rare moon]

I thought i saw endmin cuz i dont have my glasses

[hidden hornet]

Same with gold

[fringe oasis]

I compressed it by 2 tiles, moving the pylons to the inner

[sterile stratus]

my EYES

[bright zodiac]

do you remember when you use that rig????? (it was beautiful day1 jan22, probably)

[sterile stratus]

PLEASE

[rare moon]

We still use it

[vale topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPGvNyOAImc

[random estuary]

I literally am so stupid, built like ten of these and placed them all over Wuling initially.

[hidden hornet]

How bro

[terse zodiac]

How many hydro rigs can I run off of a single pump?

[hidden hornet]

Like you have to do all of valley 4 first

[hidden hornet]

I think three

[bright zodiac]

what a cute blob

[tall tangle]

depends on purity. assume 3

[lofty lodge]

damn... i been stuck in discord for almost an hours... The influence of Optimization

[hidden hornet]

Purity?

[tall tangle]

more low purity ore

[bright zodiac]

3 to be safe

3 high to be exact
6 low purity to be exact
2 high 2 low to be exact
1 high 4 low to be exact

[hoary crag]

1 pump can feed any of the ff combinations:

3 high
2 high 2 low
1 high 4 low
6 low

[hidden hornet]

That’s confusing

[vale topaz]

..... i literally wait near that rig just to craft refined originium without knowing the main storyline introduce the automated one later....

[languid trench]

how much power is stored in the buffer?

[bright zodiac]

'3 to be safe'

see, no need to remember anything

lulz

[sterile stratus]

less power usage is good

[hidden hornet]

Is the purity for the water or the ore?

[sterile stratus]

the ore?

[hidden hornet]

Okay now I understand

[bright zodiac]

ore

since when water has purity level

[hidden hornet]

See I thought y’all were saying water had purity

[bright zodiac]

[hoary crag]

ores

go to map and click on an ore deposit

the details will show you the amount of high and low purity ores

[rare moon]

Just know 1 pump is 3 water/3 seconds then divide it between the rigs. High is 1 every 3s, low is 1 every 6s

[sterile stratus]

fair enough

[bright zodiac]

back in the day1, i regret hitting ore

[hoary crag]

plus you can tell the two apart cuz high purity ones will have added particle effects at the center of the deposit

[vale topaz]

every 15 mins and run around 1 min.
just forgot to stash prev run

i think i'll stop once they both reach 1500.

[vale topaz]

and manually chopping wood to craft armor

[bright zodiac]

damn i already stop farming at around 300 thorn and fluff, and 500 ginseng

never visit my farm ever again

[marble yarrow]

funny treatment in the middle

[lofty lodge]

Marker map is a great map to farm this thing Bless this new map

[vale topaz]

true, they are clumped

[bright zodiac]

nice distraction

the real mvp is, those on the left

[marble yarrow]

[crimson inlet]

Ricko, commence operation: origami tiger—prepare the 65k SC Wuling Batteries, 65k Hetonite Parts, and 65k Heavy Xiranite, we gonna bankrupt them like blockbuster

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-penguins-madagascar-pinguin-penguin-cute-gif-17537259623014060283

[lofty lodge]

No.... dont tempt me in re-organize my factory. I am satisfied with my setup... I am ZEN

[sterile stratus]

i'm pretty sure i'm here... i don't see any collectible

[languid trench]

if I have a belt taking a battery into a thermal bank and it has 2 splitters one is splitting 3 way and 1 spliitting 2 then does 1 battery reach the bank every 12 seconds?

like this as an example

[vale topaz]

brown / black mushroom

[craggy relic]

I always farm ginseng
it takes 4 foods per attempt for a boss trim and I can easily burn through 400 ginsengs in one sitting lol

[lofty lodge]

u mean the illusion wall?

[sterile stratus]

uh

hm

[marble yarrow]

correct. unloader (2sec) x 3 split (6) x 2 split (12)

but any interval below 40 second for thermal bank isnt doing anything

[bright zodiac]

400 gins

even your supporter eats ginseng

[sterile stratus]

i don't see any illusion wal

[craggy relic]

source?

[bright zodiac]

chaika

[sterile stratus]

familiar af but i don't remember

the coffin?

oh yeah i remember that now

[languid trench]

so if its a wuling SC battery how does the math work out if its 3 split > 2 split > 2split > 2 split > 2split, do I just multiply the 3200 into the battery rate?

[craggy relic]

I need to watch that

[vale topaz]

uhh, ginseng meat stew ? how good is that compared to jakub's legacy , attack + 27% ?

[languid trench]

or do I have to like calculate baseed on downtime?

[subtle finch]

heh, weeb

[craggy relic]

I use infusion

meat stew is stupid expensive even for me lmao

[sterile stratus]

1 normal belt is 3.2x40x.5=64kw, multiply that to the split

[hidden hornet]

two questions: is this space efficient? i need to fix my xanirite production lines to fees it, but it should work at 12/min right?

[sterile stratus]

this?

[vale topaz]

that one ? but it is for healing, i meant for the attack buff

[craggy relic]

fortifying

[bright zodiac]

that 2 expanded, means its only 30/m xircon so....

[bright zodiac]

yea, all i see is 2 expanded, you need 2 more

[heavy mango]

The only issue I saw was the Xircon being lacking, outside of that yeah, that’s a pretty decent block yeah

[sterile stratus]

uh

[hidden hornet]

XIRCON HAS A HALF LINE FEEDING INTO THE EC

ah caps

[vale topaz]

this one ? how is it fare against jakub legacy ( it is buy able 40 pcs / week at v4 store )

[sterile stratus]

oh lol

[subtle finch]

[bright zodiac]

TOP VIEW ENDMIN I SEE

[craggy relic]

I couldn't trim nefarith with jakub (probably skill issue)

[hidden hornet]

i need to fix the xiranite lines for full effiecience i havent yet

[craggy relic]

but I could with fortifying

[heavy mango]

Wait a minute why the hell are you feeding xircon into the crucibles? o.o

[hidden hornet]

i thought that would make up for the deficit of only having one per sc line

[vale topaz]

welp, guess when time come to try trimming them, will consider both

[bright zodiac]

if they feed their expanded with more xircon straight from depot.

means you are either draining xircon somewhere or producing more somewhere.... right?

[subtle finch]

i give up trying to tell how to produce xircon the right way

[hidden hornet]

yes i have 68k in depot and another line

[bright zodiac]

ok good

make sense your setup, gl

[subtle finch]

68k, and it still clogs and skips

[hidden hornet]

its cuz this line

i need to fix it in my other factory

[subtle finch]

[bright zodiac]

amazing, deficit xiranite

[lofty lodge]

This is 1 of the reason why i making battery into 1 set. Splitting can cause alot of problem. Many problems can emerge either clogging or not connected. Learn the hard way in valley

[bright zodiac]

must be 0/68000 and all sky forge try so hard to produce xiranite

[fervent pawn]

does xiranite production secretly require more than 1 ferrium dust ever 2s?

[hoary crag]

xircon?

[fervent pawn]

xircon yea

[hoary crag]

nope

[fervent pawn]

ok cause

[hoary crag]

it needs 30 ferrium per min, so 1 every 2s

nothing more

[fervent pawn]

i am producing 1 dust every 2s and i am not getting it in fast enough

i can see this cause the effluent is clogging

[subtle finch]

more likley a clogged fluid

[upper fiber]

xiranite doesn't use ferrium

[hoary crag]

is your xircon running at 30/min?

[meager stream]

about condult manifold, can it filled with different liqiud?

[hidden hornet]

no

[bright zodiac]

the fact that the unloader sending out xiranite not in full 30/m ..... means they have 0/68000 xiranite

and yield currently is trying so hard to keep up with the 30/m output

[sterile stratus]

i love random ledges on rocks

nice view although not too helpful

[fervent pawn]

i am having a tiny tiny tiny delay in batteries that cause me to go on supply apparently, and the effluent is at 50 while the powder seeminly somehow is not coming in immediately

[sterile stratus]

tiny tiny tiny lol

[undone current]

if u under build, gingseng stew should be stronger

[subtle finch]

ive seen a lot of broken xircon productions here, idk how you can sleep at night

[undone current]

w8, its oob area?

[fervent pawn]

yea it is only for a split second i can see one of my thermal banks shut off

[hidden hornet]

No it’s fixed

[fervent pawn]

but the thing is sometimes that shut off lasts enough time ot get the backup power to 50%

[fringe oasis]

Not enough space, this has to go to the core AIC...

[upper fiber]

just sleep, not like you wiil die with broken factory

[sterile stratus]

marker stone

[undone current]

nah, i mean i dont remember u can climb to dat rock

[hidden hornet]

Just had to switch my two heavy back to normal

[sterile stratus]

i'm literally here

[undone current]

[hidden hornet]

Hax

[bright zodiac]

i probably thought its empty gap. but anyway try show the aic report graph

[undone current]

true

glicth trick

[vale topaz]

is % attack buff use number from displayed stat before using the buff or number before equipping weapon / armor ?

[sterile stratus]

hehe

[hoary crag]

what line is this for?

[upper fiber]

you can't put in sandleaf powder on the outer side with that setup

[fringe oasis]

Purple buck capsules. The left side to make Steel Bottles, the right side to make the powder

[sterile stratus]

actually i was going here so i can connect 2 sides with a zipline on mountain but accidentally roam there

[hoary crag]

hmm ic

[sterile stratus]

that was just one of my checkpoint lol

[sterile stratus]

holy

[undone current]

iirc, jacub % atk stat similar to main/2nd stat dat give u % atk

[bright zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/died-of-cringe-anime-cringe-dies-from-cringe-aharen-san-wa-hakarenai-gif-25337087

[hidden hornet]

YEAAH i dont like sharing that

[iron stratus]

we should be saving up 20k heavy xira for the event right

[bright zodiac]

115 xircon usage is impressive, dont worry

[shadow void]

🤡

[undone current]

i dont know the exact calcu, its just my few test run on underbuild team vs build team on jacub/gingseng

[vale topaz]

no wonder.

[orchid tiger]

why it do dat

[sterile stratus]

what's this

[shadow void]

Atleast he finished it

[spare skiff]

whats the general production standard for 1.2 factory

[orchid tiger]

I am confused

[shadow void]

guy took my depot mission, stood on it for 2 days, then pretty much botched it

[orchid tiger]

why it clog.

[undone current]

dats 40% lol

[sterile stratus]

check the output bro...

what are you connect it to

[orchid tiger]

Yes look at the screenshot, the output is a pipe as shown on the 1st screenshot

[hidden hornet]

a backwards splitter

[orchid tiger]

it should all add up to 2 liquid/s

[sterile stratus]

...

[hoary crag]

check purifying unit

[sterile stratus]

...

bruh

[hidden hornet]

then the line is full

[orchid tiger]

o nvm it just started magically working by itself after I placed it back down

W bugs

I think it was already working but it was just visually bugged

[subtle finch]

that's normal if you let the crucible accumulate fluid while not fully connected yet, just save all the crucibles and purifier as blueprint, and place again

[orchid tiger]

purifying unit was not full

but regardless yeh just visual bug idk spaghetti code n dat, thanks for the help anyway

[subtle finch]

you have too much red stored, then it all got sent out faster than purifier can use

[orchid tiger]

no

I checked that

[subtle finch]

[orchid tiger]

visually the dust was not going into the machine anymore

[subtle finch]

if you say so, then it is

[orchid tiger]

it was not producing (visually)
but actually it was producing because the purifying unit was not losing any liquid

which is why I came here
but I guess it was just visual bug

[sterile stratus]

5 zipline+2 for fun this area is completed for now

imma check the 240 copium eater

[hidden hornet]

wth

[undone current]

w8, where u found dat top Zipline

[vale topaz]

12 / m sc battery, 210 / m xiranite, 6 /m heavy xir, 22-23 /m hetonite
if you use meta storage ferrium, 1-2/m yazhen c

[upper fiber]

try this, destroy that pipe converger and the 1 pipe before,
place pipe converger first, then connect the 1 pipe again

[desert flame]

the production is 0.5/s, but since you are fully cap in the crucible, then it will give pipe the full amount then bottle neck i think

[uncut briar]

to this day i still couldnt do the switch operator dive attack siwth operator dive attack

T^T

[rapid hedge]

are you on NA/EU? pls share the one on black area

[orchid tiger]

It's 0.5/s 4 times, the purifying unit was not full and yet one of the units wasn't working
I've already "solved" it (it solved itself), it was just a visual bug and nothing more since none of the items produced have changed

[sterile stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UeOO2Xja9Q

[orchid tiger]

AIC visuals are just a suggestion sometimes

[undone current]

just w8 until shared facility

[meager stream]

if its worked, dont touch it xD

[uncut briar]

honestly, check the pipe on bottom right towards the purifier

[sterile stratus]

switch dive sounds tuff

[undone current]

i got some Zipline on top dat big building

[orchid tiger]

already did it was all fine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1497968809162576002/image.png

[sterile stratus]

am safe for the next 16 hours i think

[meager stream]

*pressed F 🥲

[orchid tiger]

make cuprium parts and sell them if u need to empty ur cuprium

[uncut briar]

i still couldnt do it since feb where ppl are doin it, dunno why I COULDNT or not allowed to switch operator, while all other people showcasing infinite jump glitch, they can switch whenever they want

[subtle finch]

same way this shows clogged, even if its at full efficiency, the timing to the output getting consumed is just not aligned

[orchid tiger]

AH HELL NAW

[sterile stratus]

i'm doing that rn as well lol

[vale topaz]

.... in b4 you overslept

[sterile stratus]

marker stone outpost is goated

[undone current]

hmm maybe its ps5 exclusive

[meager stream]

with small area 😓

[subtle finch]

no, you are goated

[marble yarrow]

GOUTED

[meager stream]

also, core pac increased depot bus from 20 to 25 limit without increasing area 😓

[desert flame]

the purify unit will not get full if you only have 1 pipe to it, since max pipe flow is 2/s and thats the exact mats for 1 process, so it just keep processing but cannot get more liquid in to cause overflow

[sterile stratus]

umm... thanks ig

[orchid tiger]

me when I lie

[static isle]

does this make 15/m?

[orchid tiger]

4 every 2s is 2/s

[spare skiff]

final results?

[desert flame]

you got this bro

[orchid tiger]

It was not full.

And if that were true the dust would've still been consumed, which visually it was not.

[meager stream]

need 2 inputs for maximize

[orchid tiger]

no you don't 😭

[vale topaz]

yeah, depend on how you want to maximize the available stuff.

[static isle]

replacing my rigs with hydro rigs brought my power below 4.5k
which means I'm down to 1 SCW + 1 HCV

[orchid tiger]

I can literally see it running 100% uptime under my eyes right now with 1 pipe

are we for real rn 😭

[sterile stratus]

lol

idk about you guys i'm for unreal

[orchid tiger]

unreal tournament rn

[subtle finch]

i have the same thing, you don't need 2 input in purification unit

[orchid tiger]

That's what I'm sayin

real poster

[fervent lodge]

a pipe can carry 4u

[fringe oasis]

I compressed it and it works. Now the sub PAC makes the secondary products.
All the materials are dumped into the depot, so they become assembled in the Core AIC area

[fervent lodge]

you only need 2 inputs if each pipe is 2u

[orchid tiger]

Damn ur setup looks better than mine by a bit but I can't be fked to change mine xd

[subtle finch]

someone literally blocked me before because i said he's wrong about that

[vale topaz]

12 sc batteries are the common one since it is the most profitable to trade.
210 xiranite if you use 7 forge for xircon + heavy xiranite leaving 1 forge free.
22-23 hetonite can be reduced if you want to use 1 cuprium line into yazhen A.
meta storage is optional if you want yazhen c

[orchid tiger]

oooh you pipe the red stuff into the next machinneee

of course of course, dats smart

big moves

[uncut briar]

cool, now go and kill marble

[meager stream]

6 or 7 crucibles, 1 expanded, 2 purifies (will be 2 red liquids output, store em to expanded using converger pipe)

[orchid tiger]

6 7

[fringe oasis]

stop

bad

[orchid tiger]

tf you talking about, you need 8 crucibles

[subtle finch]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-pepe-67-gif-11398089780031898394

[orchid tiger]

1 of them expanded

[upper fiber]

they both work, just 2 pipes input 0.x second faster

[vale topaz]

7 basic crucible + 1 expanded crucible.

[desert flame]

is the right middle acid pipe doing anything or is a visual thing?

[uncut briar]

yeah 8 if you have 240 cuprium yield

[orchid tiger]

yah

[meager stream]

ya, 1 expanded for making final material

[vale topaz]

in b4 next patch give us rain of cuprium

[vital narwhal]

foaming at mouth thinking about potential 16 forge next version

[meager stream]

need cuprium & originium mining spots 😓

[hidden hornet]

whats the opinion on this?

[keen river]

great success, managed to buy all the artificing mats

[orchid tiger]

How do you guys think they could make AIC factory gameplay better without making it have so much depth that filthy casuals can't comprehend anything

[hoary crag]

peak

[orchid tiger]

You can start your essay now

[subtle finch]

it does, i just caught it at the right moment without liquid

[hidden hornet]

make it fucking 3d

[uncut briar]

u dont need 3 purification for hetonite

[orchid tiger]

ah hell naw

[desert flame]

lol cool cool

[undone current]

z coordinate scaling

time to stack ur refinery

[orchid tiger]

I personally wish they added decorations to it so u can make it pretty

like hiding belts and stuff

[hidden hornet]

just the belts mb i wasnt specific with what i meant

[undone current]

bruh

[vital narwhal]

I think if we want to compromise between accessibility and depth, it'd be good to design production trees in such a way that it's reasonably easy to achieve a decent production floor, but increasingly complex to get every bit of juice out of our limited ore inputs

[meager stream]

2are enough, but need many converger/splitter xD

[orchid tiger]

I don't think it would be complex if you can just copy-paste a blueprint tho right?

I feel like if you want that you would need to randomize everyone's setups

[subtle finch]

it looks okay, but you use more expanded crucibles and purification unit than you need to. wasting so much power

[hidden hornet]

not my build just trying to optimize

[sterile stratus]

does anyone have 22.5 heto bp with shredding inside

[upper fiber]

wew all expanded

[hidden hornet]

i hated heto prod line

[static isle]

@subtle finch yours

[uncut briar]

damn just notice lmao

[subtle finch]

my what?

[uncut briar]

power consumption be like

[upper fiber]

5k up

[hidden hornet]

you dont want to know

[vital narwhal]

I'm not really factoring that in because full-on blueprinting is basically not engaging with the content at all. I think design priority should be on people who actually are playing the factory side of the game. No matter what the devs design, if someone full blueprints it, the experience is going to basically be the same in that there is none to speak of besides waiting for content creator to create full base BPs

[static isle]

your 22.5 heto BP
@sterile stratus needs it

[meager stream]

but you will confused next haha

[vale topaz]

larger AIC area, i guess ? or larger area coverage for electric pylon.
and better end product introduction, kinda like tutorial blended into main quest.

[subtle finch]

#1494628329851064402 message

it probably has more than what you need, just gut down the rest, like heavy xiranite production

or cuprium refining unit

[orchid tiger]

Well in original arknights you can't full blueprint unless you own every operator and upgraded all of them so idk I feel like it is relevant,
I think adapting to what you have is the best thing a gacha game can rely on, otherwise the gacha is just pure gambling and every player has the same experience regardless

[upper fiber]

just paywall the factory, no new character no new building

[meager stream]

use 4 forgesky 2 crucible 1 puri, for prod heavy xira 6/m 🔥

[static isle]

looks good?

[orchid tiger]

true more QoL would be nice, I hate when I'm refactoring my base and I want to build the new part but there's no space for it 😭

[vale topaz]

whoa, still under 4.4k power ?

[static isle]

4.46

1 SCW + 1 HCV is 4.5

[subtle finch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m_ye3nBwYVGm2stCkIohEVmI_slI0J1PCcdbER0q-H4/edit?usp=sharing
you can try this

[static isle]

replacing your rigs help

[vale topaz]

nice, able to stay below 4.5 k

[meager stream]

3 scw here 💀🗿

[static isle]

how
3 scw is like nearly 10k

[undone current]

w8 how

[meager stream]

around 9k limit

[undone current]

9.8k

[meager stream]

many pumps, crucible, treatment, etc

[vale topaz]

well, that 512 building limit along with protocol capacity need to be defined further.
either combined total or something

[undone current]

2sc enough

[subtle finch]

[undone current]

mine 6.2k n its already count on towers

[meager stream]

and remember, thats energy limit for union all wuling pac

[orchid tiger]

Yah also I wish you could use the AIC factory to like automate deliveries and such cuz that crap is ANNOYING
Same with gathering level-up materials

[marble yarrow]

thats still too much

[iron stratus]

what do you need to keep up with outpost at 9 sc/min profit

[orchid tiger]

nobody even does valley 4 deliveries anymore too lol

[lofty lodge]

phew thats a good chunk SC wuling battery. Only make 9/min but 3/min consume power. So i got 6/min.

[static isle]

you should be making 12/m at max

[meager stream]

but dont worry, i can produce scw total 18/m, but yaa rip originium 🗿💀

[proud gulch]

hetonite is so slow

[marble yarrow]

yeah you can live with it

but the greedy ones...

[vale topaz]

well, you can think of them as emergency 90 credits rather keep doing them daily.
it's a choice, beside the taking picture quest gives more.

[undone current]

manual import originium

[valid gazelle]

still do for 90 credits

[orchid tiger]

I never do them because of how annoying it is
Also if you're truly min-maxing you would do it every day cuz credits can give pulls

[lofty lodge]

will do but gonna optimize my xiranite a bit. Feel like some xiranite is not running smoothly.

[orchid tiger]

but fuck that

[valid gazelle]

how is it annoying when its just ziplining..

[orchid tiger]

Exactly. It's just ziplining. 😭 it could be automated by a macro script to move and click the map and such

[meager stream]

for current power is...7.2k from 9.8k (gather space for the next update in May, new sub pac & minings)

[orchid tiger]

it's completely mindless

[upper fiber]

should be near max on 28th

[static isle]

yup, well optimized

[valid gazelle]

so just by clicking buttons it is not ? ...

[orchid tiger]

If you don't mind doing it that is completely fine, I am not insulting your enjoyment of it, I am simply saying that to me it is a miserable boring experience 😭 that's all (hence why I don't do it)

[upper fiber]

we the delivery poster..

be grateful that we don't 😼

[vale topaz]

eee, only rarely able to reach 200 refresh credit.
usually stopped at 120.
already happy enough with 2x oroberyl or weapon pull resource.

[static isle]

you only need heto comp for the original gear set right?
fodder gear should be with xira or copper comp?

[orchid tiger]

yeah I just wish the dailies were fun or easy/automated

otherwise it's just who can endure repetitive tasks the most gets rewarded

[vale topaz]

yeah, for the basic only, fodder can use xiranite or cuprium one.

[iron stratus]

is that even possible below 3.4k power

[static isle]

no I'm at 4.46
so one SCW + one HCV

[iron stratus]

oh hc batteries

[fringe oasis]

It's becoming more and more empty the more I offload secondary materials to PACs

[sterile stratus]

do liquids flow through facilities that have been turned off

seems like not

[static isle]

reminder to replace your ferrium rigs with hydro rigs
you save 40 power there

[sterile stratus]

r-really

[static isle]

6 ferrium rigs is 60 power
6 hydro rig + 2 pump is 20 power

they also save 5 power per 3 rig (10 vs 15) if you replace originium rigs

[sterile stratus]

i don't even know hydro rig works on ferrium

[static isle]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-star-rainbowstreak-nbc-gif-4884642

[iron stratus]

it works on all ores

[sterile stratus]

~~

[iron stratus]

specifically for 6 high purity ferrium nodes

for low purity you only need 10 power for 6

[sterile stratus]

hydro rig on ferrium still needs water?

[iron stratus]

yeah that's why it's hydro

[sterile stratus]

makes sense

fair enough lol

[static isle]

ye but like there's 3 high puri and 3 low puri node

so might as well do 2 pump

[iron stratus]

1.5 and you can divert the other half a pump to the small originium node to the east

[sterile stratus]

1.5 pump fr

i'll slice my pump in half

[static isle]

copium them upgrading us to 120 next patch

[marble yarrow]

you partner most of the mining spots. here are the pairs i've maid, each pair uses 2 pumps

[iron stratus]

hopefully they give us upgraded pumps

[static isle]

gonna be awkward later if the low purity nodes get upgraded later

[empty sun]

where/how do I get the essence thing for the new weapon - lone barge?

[fringe oasis]

Petition to teleport the excessive amount of Wuling Originium mines to Valley 4 😭

[iron stratus]

the hub energy alluvium iirc

yeah the hub

[sterile stratus]

maybe one of the reason for my huge power usage is the fact that i use mining rig mkII for all mines

[empty sun]

is it here?

[iron stratus]

yes

[sterile stratus]

btw is 1 rig=2 protocol cap

[iron stratus]

all hydro mining only uses 130 power

huge difference

[keen river]

if you click this in F8 panel, it lists all the weapons that are compatibile with particular alluvium

[marble yarrow]

not really. probably doesnt need to use any brain cells to adjust

[vale topaz]

1 more run of rare gathering then sleep.... tomorrow will start saving hetonite for events, should be 60k on tuesday

.roadmap

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086659785580545/1493970217259368538/cal_en_US.jpg?ex=69e19070&is=69e03ef0&hm=052afddc6528aa38ffde70f70d0dbaf8ec00c26959f667bbbf0eaaa3b85f1da3

[iron stratus]

wait it's in 2 days

[meager stream]

need more minings 🥲

[iron stratus]

i thought it was like 2 weeks away

[sterile stratus]

what's fest of brilliance

[iron stratus]

reruns

[sterile stratus]

ooh AIC in 2 days

[marble yarrow]

the extended "goods exchange" lmaoo, expiring event items pls dont

[sterile stratus]

much difference from the normal banner?

[keen river]

rerun banner with the 1.0's exclusive operators

[iron stratus]

they better let that one guy keep xira bottles

[keen river]

not much was said how it will work

[iron stratus]

so he can bottle every liquid in them too

[vale topaz]

curious use of xiranite..... edible xiranite, when

[orchid patrol]

sorry to bother you but if for example the heavy xiranite in the IAC storage is full, won't that clog all the system ?

[vital narwhal]

On the contrary, I think there are merits to each player having access to the same factory resources. I don't think it's true that every player necessarily has the same experience, or at the very least, this statement seems in need of some nuance. If a player tries to learn on their own, depending on their own proficiency with the systems and natural tendency of preferring certain arrangements, it's quite likely that they will develop somewhat novel solutions at least in the sense of how facilities are positioned. I also don't think that the experience needs to be unique in order for the player to feel fulfilled--if the player developed a solution similar to another player's, they can still feel a sense of accomplishment and ownership over the effort they've invested.

I also want to go a step further and assert that the shared experience can be valuable from both an engagement and social perspective. If a player is interested in learning from other solutions/setups, the shared input-output makes insights more transferable instead of being more tangential gleanings. The fact that experiences have parallels is a great enabler for discussions since the parties involved share a certain understanding of what the other has encountered. The majority of the discussions in this very channel would be significantly more disjointed if income profiles and optimal setups varied wildly between players. For example, the joke of Hetonite needing 6 or 7 crucibles could potentially not make sense if recipes varied between players.

I think a potential path forward to introducing more variation to player factories is to present players with different potential factory archetypes, where there are multiple viable sets of production goals that prioritize certain product categories or need to fulfill different conditions. Maybe one has a higher production ceiling but is more complicated and faces certain debuffs. Maybe one superbuffs an aspect of factory while making another a nightmare.

[vale topaz]

what in the essay x_X

[vital narwhal]

I understand some of my ideas can be troublesome to implement on a live service model, so I'll just take what we're getting since I still enjoy it quite a lot

[fringe oasis]

Aintreadingallat

what is thyat

[random estuary]

Do we know anything about the AIC event? If it's a "use {blank} resources"
Or if it's more. "Produce X" kind?

[subtle finch]

it will, but so does having full sc battery in the system
if you use them for component though, it takes a long time to fill the depot

my prod for example

[fringe oasis]

bro has an MRP excel sheet

[vale topaz]

lol, so there's an actual 'crit' rate for picking plant

[keen river]

someone leaked the recipes on wiki, so we kinda know what its going to be about

[subtle finch]

.cantread

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1475997022615113900/cantread.gif?ex=699f84d8&is=699e3358&hm=f283e9f64e009c1dbd4556362116e277bbaaf6f50e83895e5c641e76003299d2&=&width=1080&height=728

[keen river]

the only thing we dont know is how much stuff we will need to produce

[random estuary]

do you have a link to the leak

[crimson inlet]

damn... I've been playing OG Arknights for 6 years...

https://tenor.com/view/getting-old-aging-soldier-soldier-boy-regret-gif-14387205934344123937

I remember waiting 6 hours to install the resources 🥀

[meager stream]

and priestess not become operator yet 💀🗿

[crimson inlet]

back when my family has slow wiif connection (fastest is 150 kbs)

[subtle finch]

backinmyday

[keen river]

for rule purposes, i dont 😅

but if you look at some fan wikis, you will find them

[crimson inlet]

yes 🥀 🥀

[tender thistle]

For the trading event do we need to stop buying from outposts and let the stock bills pile up?

[vital narwhal]

priestess will dedge and be reborn figuratively or literally at some point trust

[subtle finch]

it's kinda okay, or grey, idk

[vale topaz]

maybe, just let it regen from now on

[keen river]

most likely yes, if what we have seen on the livestream is true

[crimson inlet]

don't thread the needle

also, YAAAY

[vale topaz]

..... so you get cute pony as turret ?

[crimson inlet]

anyways, I'm really itching to sell en-masse to bankrupt tangtang

[crimson inlet]

I've read that some Operators will have pony variants

[sterile stratus]

nah, i'd sleep

[keen river]

assuming the fruits certs trade 1:1 with stocks, you need just 800k stockpile of stocks

[crimson inlet]

Imagine amiya as 'princess amimi'

[keen river]

yeah, but thing is, no clue how enka and others obtained those, im 100% sure it was just extraced from game files but well

[keen river]

and for record, maxed out tangtang needs 22 hours to produce 800k stocks

[marble yarrow]

gourd sells for 40
the "cert" at 10

[orchid patrol]

at least thank for giving me a refence, i made this with one of your design

[keen river]

its the worse item tho, the heavy xiranite one should be more expensive

[iron stratus]

what's the ratio between heavy xira and gourd

[keen river]

1 to 1

[subtle finch]

im hoarding heavy now, so i can hoard goard

[crimson inlet]

I forgot that those are actual letters

[terse zodiac]

Does every mineral vein become high purity once region dev is maxed?

[iron stratus]

not yet

in coming updates

[marble yarrow]

yes, meaning this cheap item can achieve 800k when selling 80k pcs of

[terse zodiac]

I'm just asking for the sake of whether I should bother with doing the maths for hydro rig pumps.

Or just do 1 for 3 everywhere.

[subtle finch]

well, jingyu is "max" now, so maybe not

[marble yarrow]

so we really need kinda no more than 80k total of items

[iron stratus]

it cant hurt

[pulsar cypress]

Me just 1 for 3 for all..
Lazy to check again later on..

[subtle finch]

there are easier ways to save power, hydro rig is one of the last priority ones

[terse zodiac]

Man, redoing my existing rigs for hydro ones is gonna be a pain...

[marble yarrow]

people slapping mk2 on originiums

[terse zodiac]

I'm not out of power, I just like planning forward.

[subtle finch]

i just saw acid pump for water yesterday

[orchid patrol]

there is a way to make a priority splitter at the moment ?

Like it ouput 1 is clogged THEN go to output 2

[subtle finch]

only overflow valve

same thing really

[orchid patrol]

Got something to share for understand it / copy it ?

[subtle finch]

something like this

when right side is full, it will all go to treatment unit

just make sure primary destination receives more than it consumes
it will auto adjust when clogged

[nova osprey]

pwm comes to the rescue again

[graceful quest]

so uh regarding acid, how can i get rid of it?

[nova osprey]

dump it back to where you got it

fluid supply unit

[orchid patrol]

this should resolve the clogging problem off your xiron if i put another crucible to treat the overflow then ?

[subtle finch]

my crucibles are working just fine 😭

[nova osprey]

btw why are you using an extra 100 power for nothing atm

or idk

[orchid patrol]

Where ?

[nova osprey]

oh nvm

[sly bramble]

PProtocolStashfound dead in the valley

[nova osprey]

i see

[sly bramble]

troll

[subtle finch]

if you use overflow valve, that kinda defeats the point of my layouts

[meager stream]

if its working, dont touch it xD

[nova osprey]

sewage doesn't clog that way yeah?

huh

i was worried it would eventually clog due to how most of the maches tend to clog overtime

[marble yarrow]

reactors work great now

[nova osprey]

that's good

[marble yarrow]

no need for priority system

[subtle finch]

too much water at the beginning can prevent this effluent from sending, but if you place the whole thing with bp, there's no problem

i have other safer designs though

[coral orchid]

Which one is better?

[subtle finch]

like this one is pre-fill safe

[meager stream]

My eyes x.x
Also brain exploded (brain isnt braining)

[nova osprey]

brain never brains when it comes to factory

[cyan forge]

@subtle finch i hate how my modified factory look so messy

[tall tangle]

please pour liquid throug. less splitters

[meager stream]

naruhodo nee (doesnt naruhodo at all) 🥲 😅

[coral orchid]

????

[nova osprey]

me too

[nova osprey]

yeah this is the way to go

i do that too

[orchid patrol]

well, i gonna not use it then. I make this thing works with more copy from one of your design than by my own so i should a least apply your advices

[nova osprey]

very very compact

[vale bramble]

how in the connect 4 does this even function

[subtle finch]

i did the passthrough layout literally before patch

[vale topaz]

assuming you asked about box formation vs line.
going to vote with line.
in the future if the game give more cuprium, no need to redesign much, just copy paste old model
just prepare a 5*2 slot for current model.

[tall tangle]

fills last each time till all full

[marble yarrow]

(lets pretend the 1.2 preview doesnt show passthrough)

[nova osprey]

because they all need the acid, you can just pass it along one by one until it's full

similarily, you can do the same with with the cuprium solution

[vale bramble]

interestinggg...

[orchid patrol]

you import 2 acid/1s, export 1.5/1s and use 0.5/1s with the building itself

[nova osprey]

flow rate is at 2/s, but each consumes and produces at 0.5/s so you just keep stacking flow rates/consumption rates until you get a maximal output crucible

[orchid patrol]

rince and repeat until you got 4 crucible that take 0.5 acid/1s

[nova osprey]

but keep in mind this only works for 4 machines in a row so

anymore and you're wasting crucibles

[dusty snow]

For what is tjis?

[nova osprey]

wdym

[subtle finch]

that was before 1.1, theorizing hetonite comp production, a few assumptions were wrong, this was the final layout in the end

[nova osprey]

ah i see xD

[jovial breach]

i wonder if this part can be optimized

[nova osprey]

probably not tbh, looks like a mess but also looks like an organized mess xD

[ancient charm]

You could do a sideways layout

[subtle finch]

i think i saw someone with alternate layout where refinement unit are sideways, still the same size i think

[static isle]

we should be saving heavy xira for the event right?

[marble yarrow]

(i will still put the purification units outside aic area so...)

[orchid patrol]

sideway is not too organized

[dusty snow]

I see

[ancient charm]

I had 8 treatment plants outsidethe AIC

[tall tangle]

found my old one

before moving waste away

[ancient charm]

We getting test area may 14th right?

[jovial breach]

[ancient charm]

That is a lot more pipework than needs to be

Also how will you split and converge both sewage and water

Its too close to the unloaders

[tall tangle]

just make space in here for water from above (or move sewage up)

[coral orchid]

Formation?
So it's better for bottom one right?

[subtle finch]

i really don't get people using 100% hetonite production now, 1 wuling delivery takes longer than extending 75% efficiency to 100

[meager stream]

spill mining spots pls 🥲 🙏

[meager stream]

only 4 cupriums again 😢

[subtle finch]

if you look closely, there's ferrium bed on that island too

[meager stream]

need more originium mining spots pls 🥲

[keen river]

oddly enough, the openfieldmap doesnt list it

[marble yarrow]

no wei

[lofty lodge]

so we got extra cuprium and ferrium. Might able to make more heptonite part

[subtle finch]

finally, someone 😭

[vale topaz]

yeah, line is better.
tried the box before and realize if the game allow you to have 2 hetonite line, 2 line formation attached by bus depot at the middle will be best for space usage.
this assuming only the hetonite line and no cuprium to cuprium dust involved.
you are kinda procedural type, separating process at different place which means the cuprium process is at other place

[jovial breach]

now there's no place for power

ok scrap this lmao

[cedar bay]

This the new test zone?

[sick basin]

U tell me

[jovial breach]

2 extra cupium belts as expected

[subtle finch]

.gethisass

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086699983769600/1434277626914017310/Get_his_ass.gif?ex=6907bea1&is=69066d21&hm=bd40aabb5a87693f5187ff200edd75fe42ea895c26dcbf88ce2671422e4e2ed6

[sick basin]

[nova osprey]

holy cuprium

[nova osprey]

damn hold up

[jovial breach]

but what we're gonna do with extra ferrium

[sick basin]

I love how u can see rossi hood peeking

[subtle finch]

it's a joke 😭

[vale topaz]

more sc line maybe.
i meant, we also will getnew tools to turn sewage into xircon effluent

[jovial breach]

oh ye

extra 6/min sc

but where's the ori for that

[sick basin]

Theres no ferrium pooks..it was meme

[open bolt]

bruh after 2hrs of brain damage I got this to work

[jovial breach]

ok but back to the extra cupium it would just allow us to make heto at 6/min and wont change anything else much supposedly?

[sick basin]

Yeah

[last ledge]

Am I organized?

[jovial breach]

how about the 4 forges

[sick basin]

But 100% is good

[sick basin]

12/m heavy xira ofc

[subtle finch]

turn that frown upside down

[vale topaz]

love the bus formation.
stairs, maybe will need that sometime in the future.
other also play with zig zag model

[jovial breach]

oh do we know what the treament center do

[keen river]

apparently take 3 pipes of sewage and output one pipe of xiranite effluent

at what ratio hard to tell

[jovial breach]

which means

[sick basin]

Seemingly it should also take inert

But like

[jovial breach]

we can make 18/min heavy

[sick basin]

Have fun pullimg sewage al the way over there

[sick basin]

We dont have xiramite for that

[marble yarrow]

you mean from main AIC?

[subtle finch]

we'll just move the refining unit
bottle transporters in shambles rn

[sick basin]

From anywhere really

[sick basin]

And u are not allowed to talk, u psycho

[jovial breach]

pls not the bottle transfer tech

[abstract meadow]

whats optimal to produce rn? like the max output

[valid gazelle]

symmetry ~

[subtle finch]

release the spreedsheets

[vale topaz]

doubt it.... i meant no way to auto operate separating unit without using belt outside aic area.

so either chain of in/outlet or another new in/outlet facility, special connect to test area sewage dump.

[jovial breach]

i mean bottle the sewage to main aic

save you half the distance

but eh im not gonna bother

[vale topaz]

the bus is not symmetrical.

[sick basin]

Stooop

[subtle finch]

the pylon lines are not symmetric 🥀

[jovial breach]

oh ye i just saw the infinite pipe tech

funny

[vale topaz]

but nice model

[marble yarrow]

can we get much higher

[subtle finch]

so high~

[sick basin]

Oh, fuck off

Nothing else i can say

[valid gazelle]

when the pac is off centered..

dah i'll rebuild it tmr

[subtle finch]

pac is odd number

[valid gazelle]

that's the annoyance too

the pac itself is not symmetrical

whoa..

i just got all 3 jobs transfered in wuling

[coral orchid]

not bad

[spark hedge]

@coral orchid

[marble yarrow]

bro randomly dropping their 8 cuprium setup again

[coral orchid]

8 Cuprium for future update

[twilit shard]

Is this just for 1 heatonite?

[coral orchid]

or maybe 2nd patch

[spark hedge]

4.5/min heto part for now, 6 for next patch

[twilit shard]

Bro

Why do we have no resources

[cyan forge]

When's next patch again?

[lyric vale]

Left or right for better efficiency?

[keen river]

obviously right

[vital narwhal]

throughput is the same, right side is more appropriate/less space

[vital narwhal]

this patch phase 2 is may 14th, next version is early june

[subtle finch]

left or right for better efficiency?

[vital narwhal]

clearly the main reason right side is superior is that it can handle multiple item type outputs

[lyric vale]

i hope this is not a joke

[subtle finch]

yeah we're just joking

obviously the expanded crucible is better because it costs more power

[keen river]

funny enough, crucible doesnt forward items if its not working

for some unknown reason

[coral orchid]

I wondered if I could make this one looks more better

[keen river]

well, you can move the refining stations next to each other for one

although its higher 🤔

[vital narwhal]

real answer is because you get an easy 1-4 : 1-4 balancer

[subtle finch]

it comes with free control port, so it cant be worse

[vital narwhal]

📈

[orchid pilot]

hey Hikarin (and harunachan if still awake) and anyone else also doing it, how did you set up your liquid feed when swapping to double heavy xira?
Are you feeding purified inert together and letting that clog a normal xiranite input (to xirceff conversion reactor) down to 24/min?

(for the swapped forge obviously, everyone running inert from the SC line crucibles to the first heavy forge)

[vale bramble]

glory to Endfield

now i need to compact hetonite and liquid heavy xiranite into the 2nd outpost

[vital narwhal]

I think haruna's original setup just fed the inert from crucible into water treatment

if you want to be hyper optimal you could consider bottling/tanking the purified inert for later discharge

but is a hassle

[lunar cairn]

hey guys do you have any truly forever constant supply of sewage?

-has to be able to run forever without you having to long in every once in a while
-at least 15u/min

[subtle finch]

#1495816858350125066 message
they're just using pre-bottled fluids afaik,
ive been advocating for cache base switch but no progess has been made there

[vale bramble]

i just direct sewage off from cuprium refineries for meds
and considering the rate of production you'd have quite a ton untill the storage fills up with meds and clogs the refineries making sewage/curpium

unless i didn't understand the question

and you meant something else

[subtle finch]

it's another one of these quad half xircon crucibles isnt it

[green sleet]

Isnt there only 1 way to make sewage? (I dont count cruci cause it doesn't make enough imo)

I tied my cupri productions for Hetonite and meds into it and havent had any issues

[lunar cairn]

i mean yeah

in the end, for every 2 sewage you spend to make xircon you get 1 back

[subtle finch]

just use 1 xiranite lane for 2 crucibles by splitting it into 2
zero xiranite in the crucible accomplishes the same thing as having 0 sewage in the system.
then you can clog it with sewage to your heart's content

[lunar cairn]

and well i tried running the inert xircon effluent that is a byproduct through a purification unit to turn it back into usable xircon effluent and that overloaded the pipe and clogged it 💀

[vital narwhal]

I will forever advocate 30/min xircon machines as better to work with

[subtle finch]

true, but no one listens to me

[vale bramble]

i wish pipe convergers had priority settings

[lunar cairn]

well i mean a large portion of my power usage is because of the large amount of automatic farms to supply sandleaf and carbon

[subtle finch]

that is infact a thing

there are edge-cases, but for the most part, if you have splitter inputting to a converger, that is prioritized first
make sure to place the 3x3 around the converger by copy-paste or blueprint though, else it will misbehave

[brisk palm]

Tang tang has struck again.. tnh- it's still getting water so I might just leave it.

[vale bramble]

i see, i will try that out later, thanks!!!

[ancient wagon]

This isn't factory but I like talking here
I was looking at endfield gifs and I found one that says, "hop on endfield" and its Yvonne and Gilberta kissing 😭🙏

[green sleet]

I wish they gave us 60 more ppm worth of cupri. So close to full efficiency Hetonite...

[subtle finch]

factyuri 😭

[ancient wagon]

Oh nah 😭

See

Idk why this exists

[brisk palm]

Logs affect sewage? Should just run constantly. Haven't noticed anything.

[buoyant linden]

Ive been staring at my factory for 30 minutes
And my conclusion every time, is that I just need to level up my research index and do the 3rd chapter of wuling already-
But it feels so inefficient that I want to improve it..

Resource gate in Wuling is something.

[subtle finch]

i did all that on an alt in like 3hrs, granted i know the fastest way now
but just doing is faster than mostly thinking

[deft orbit]

anyone that know how the Enka factory planner works knows to tell me why it's clogging? (When I have this working fine in my factory in-game)

[subtle finch]

send the link

[sonic summit]

oh fuc-

[scenic swift]

[graceful wraith]

So, if I wanna use 1 crucible only for xircon

What are the chance of it getting jammed

[sonic summit]

you use another extended to make effluent line

andfeed it to the one make xircon

[graceful wraith]

Yea but in theory all of it can be done within 1 expanded crucible yea?

[subtle finch]

zero, as long as you dont share 1 pipe with 2 different fluids

[graceful wraith]

🤔

[fervent lodge]

basically sewage overfeed

ingame doens't clog only in specific circumstances

you can split 15/m of sewage into 2 crucibles fairly and it'll work

[subtle finch]

or just do full xircon crucible

[deft orbit]

overfeed where? xD

[deft orbit]

I take that is 30/m xircon instead of 15/m each?

[fervent lodge]

that setup you have works 1/3 of the time and is prone to clogging if ratios don't match well or something gets stuck

[subtle finch]

yes

[fervent lodge]

if it works, nice, but it's just not reliable

in planner though it always clogs because it solves for the eventual final state

maybe i can shuffle around recipe order and it'll work but eh

[subtle finch]

try to cut the first sewage pipe, and let it accumulate first in the refining unit, see it get clog

[deft orbit]

that little hickup was one day that I was doing shenaningans, otherwise it's been working like a charm since 1.2 relase

[fervent lodge]

yeah, if you get the phase timing right and let it run it'll run fine

it's just different phase in the planner and i can't yet resolve it cleanly

[subtle finch]

the problem is people have that hooked in a conduit, and that can hold 1000 sewage, then connecting it will flood it with sewage

[deft orbit]

I know, the 1rst crucible has 50 units of sweage, so when the sewage enters into Crucible 1, 15/s are consumed there and 15/s are moved to the crucible 2 xD
I know it works, my question is why doesn't it work in the Enka

[fervent lodge]

that's not how it actually works btw

all sewage passes through until it overfills the last one

then it allows it to accumulate back and react

[deft orbit]

oh sorry, the 2nd one has 50 unitsd

[fervent lodge]

first transfer, then react

[deft orbit]

yeah exactly

I take it Enka doesn't know how to do that yet?

[fervent lodge]

basically if you get lucky with your recipe timing, this is not a problem

no it does

do you want an actual mechanical explanation of why that happens?

[deft orbit]

is not luck, it's just leave the 2nd crucible to fill until 50 and then it autofixes itself

[fervent lodge]

it's luck that it doesn't stop producing when sewage is at 50

basically, 3 recipes

crucible performs all of them at the same time

but the order can be different depending on what started first

so it can do
1
2
3

or

2
3
1

or

3
1
2

so if the last recipe was this one, in 1/3 of the cases, it will stop here and wait for the transfer phase

transfer phase happens, it gets sewage and the sewage is now at 50

this recipe on the next cycle now cannot run because there's not enough space to put the sewage

everything stops.

[subtle finch]

[deft orbit]

It can only do
1
2
3
basicaly because it needs to start 1 in order for 2 and 3 to start xD
But when Crucible 2 clogs on sewage by peforming 1, it allows crucible 1 to start doing 1, and so on

[fervent lodge]

only if you start from zero, yeah

but people usually build it and it clogs with some of the ingredients before it starts running

basically this setup has a 1/3 chance to fail depending on the reaction and belt timings, and this is why we don't usually recommend it to people

iirc it can also change when going offline but i personally haven't seen that happen

[deft orbit]

I can guarantee it doesn't change xDD

been runing it since patch release without clogs

[deft orbit]

that would be if we where playing on different games, but we all have the same Endfield version

[subtle finch]

mine works without issue too, but i wouldn't let others use it because of the potential

[fervent lodge]

at the start of the patch there were a shitload of people whose crucibles were dying

and we couldn't understand why

then we understood and switched to shipping effluent instead of sewage

[deft orbit]

what potential? xD
There is no ifs or whats, this is a bolean, either it works or doesnt xD

[fervent lodge]

i just explained to you

it depends on transfer phase timing

[subtle finch]

the player setting it up can introduce the buildup

[deft orbit]

and I'm telling you that once the crucible 2 has 50 sewage, that timing becomes inconsecuental, because it will work 100% of the time xD

[fervent lodge]

that's not about passthrough

i'm saying that crucibles with 50 sewage in it only work 2/3 of the time depending on the recipe timing

it only works if the recipe that consumes and produces sewage runs in the same tick

there's a case where they land on separate ones

you just haven't hit it personally

[subtle finch]

see, this is why i've given up

[fervent lodge]

I've GIIIIIIIVENNNNN UUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP

i mean i can easily change the planner phase

and it'll work

[deft orbit]

gimme a moment

[subtle finch]

maybe add a reroll selection button

[fervent lodge]

lmfao

good idea

[coral orchid]

[graceful wraith]

What's wrong with this setup? I can't figure it out

[fervent lodge]

that's it i'm changing the phase

[fervent lodge]

too much sewage basically

it only wants 15/m

you're giving it 60/m

[glossy nymph]

Same as drinking too much water.

Quick question. How long has it been from gilberta baner?

[keen river]

like two months?

[graceful wraith]

Wait only 15/m?

[fervent lodge]

yeah, one splitter away from copper production, 2 splitters if you're pumping it like here with 60/m

[glossy nymph]

Damm i thought i took a break for half a month.....

[fervent lodge]

gonna rotate the phase in the planner now so it'll work at least, or people will keep asking

i would prefer the game break on them rather than the planner kekw

[glossy nymph]

I missed 3 banners i think.

[deft orbit]

@subtle finch@fervent lodge and this happens by just "letting the machine work", there is no rng, no "this goes first", works 100% of the time all time time. does it need to fill the Cyan crucible first? yes it does, but after that, it autofixes with 100% efficiency

[orchid pilot]

only 1/3rd the complaint volume of "it worked in enka, why didn't it work in-game"

[subtle finch]

can any nerd out there do a writeup why half xircon productions are a bad idea
i aint typing all that shit again

[fervent lodge]

if you watch the crucible, which item is "ticking"?

[glossy nymph]

Well... At least I got Zhuang fangyinon on my first pull :3

[deft orbit]

you can see in the images, those are the 4 states the crucible goes thru

[fervent lodge]

yep, this is the correct phase

[quartz pagoda]

nice pipes

[fervent lodge]

this means it's split right before the transfer phase and so it works

[glossy nymph]

Too lazy to take a screenshot of other 2...

[glossy nymph]

Thxs

[subtle finch]

[pine musk]

Can I dispose off the sewage that is obtained

[fervent lodge]

notice how your water stays constant
the failure condition is when the water is ticking and sewage stays at the same amount

[deft orbit]

zero jokes, search for a metronome in google at put it at 60 beats per second, that's how each "tick" of the crucible works

[fervent lodge]

30 beats per second actually

but that's not what i'm talking about

[glossy nymph]

Ngl this thing is to make the plp suffer. Who wants oil in game.

[orchid pilot]

brother there is actual aic discussion ongoing...

[glossy nymph]

And?

[quartz pagoda]

isnt that just some heavy metal + water? i think thats normal in mining operations

thats why they pollute so much

[quartz pagoda]

wdym?

[deft orbit]

my crucibles update their recipes at 60bpm tho... xD

[glossy nymph]

You are not even talking in that. Why be a smart a**?

[glossy nymph]

Yes

[quartz pagoda]

oh i get it now

[glossy nymph]

It's wast

[orchid pilot]

Reading the conversation and it would be nice not to be interrupted by lore discussion

[glossy nymph]

Like nuclear waste?

[quartz pagoda]

dw, if someone is unable to track a conversation in a crowded chat its their fault for not knowing how to Discord

[glossy nymph]

Something like that

[quartz pagoda]

it was 1 image, chill

[fervent lodge]

recipe takes 2 seconds to tick, fluid transfer happens every 0.5s

[glossy nymph]

What are you using? Nokia with its small screen?

[fervent lodge]

i think you mean the item values update every 60?

that would make sense

[deft orbit]

that sounds like 4 times per tick xD

[fervent lodge]

game tick is 0.5s

most recipes take 4 ticks

belt transfer is 4 ticks as well

[quartz pagoda]

damn you guys really tick-optimizing your factory? thats crazy

how exactly?

pipe length?

[fervent lodge]

i mean it's basic mechanics

[deft orbit]

it does itself xD

[glossy nymph]

I've seen more than that...

[fervent lodge]

pipe can transfer once every 0.5s

that's the tick

[glossy nymph]

Trust me there is more...

[subtle finch]

i have this garbage back in 1.1, this tells me the game runs at faster ticks than that

[deft orbit]

is not a matter of optimizing the factory "tick", is being able to comprehend when and what ticks

[glossy nymph]

That's my brain in a math exam. real

[quartz pagoda]

so its just knowledge for the sake of knowledge?

[deft orbit]

knowledge for the sake of understanding*

[quartz pagoda]

me no comprehend how it works

like

[fervent lodge]

you mean that the recipe allows the gearing unit to run continuously despite alternating items?

[quartz pagoda]

it alternates between Packed and Parts?

thats cool, i use Item Control to turn on/off the belts

[fervent lodge]

it's just a matter of "recipe tick happens on whatever the items were in the buffer at that time", and recipe tick runs after transfer phase, so it works as-is

[quartz pagoda]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dumb-patrick--k01KQ5NWVWF6C11Q69F1DNNEAGR

[glossy nymph]

Me: if it works it works. No explanation needed.

[quartz pagoda]

this is me

[subtle finch]

i get report like this, because the switching of parts happen almost instantaneously
how would the tick system explain that?

[quartz pagoda]

looks cool

but

where are you getting the Copium?

no medicine?

[glossy nymph]

Scroll down*

[subtle finch]

that's 1.1 screenshot

[quartz pagoda]

i see

this reminds me of Mindustry techical side
Like, i made my own blueprints and tried to always make them compact and scalable. Even got into unit programming for mining.

But that was like the tipiest tip of the iceberg, some ppl are so passionate and get to much into it... kinda crazy

[fervent lodge]

that's pretty much why we're trying to find out why things break
when you give blueprints to people and they don't work, you kinda have to find why and make them foolproof

[gritty skiff]

Holy shee I thought it was easy to make heavy xira and hetonite comps and here I am watching KyostinV tutorials

[fervent lodge]

and you can't foolproof if you don't know why it can break

[quartz pagoda]

its like the difference between running a couple km every morning to stay healty, and joining a marathon across you whole country every year

[glossy nymph]

Hmmm. Like making your own game, then fixing the bug plp reports.

[gritty skiff]

Nah don't get me started on the logic blueprints

[tall tangle]

tfw simple division by 2 and 3 makes people scared

[quartz pagoda]

bruh those blueprint with no blocks, just a logic block that controlls unit to build.... i never never did or got to use that. Thats way too much

[gritty skiff]

Mostly for server presets

[fervent lodge]

btw i did this for fun, didn't change anything else

just rotated recipe phase

works

[glossy nymph]

Damm don't show this stuff to @quartz pagoda

[fervent lodge]

now the question is should i leave it like this

[quartz pagoda]

i lost count on how many classmates in college i had to teach simple math exactly like that
then i gave up cuz it was taking too much of my time, they all coming to me like im the teacher or something

[subtle finch]

can you detect and give a warning if it's not a stable production?

[quartz pagoda]

i checked out as soon as i detected coding

[glossy nymph]

:D

[subtle finch]

you entered the aic factory channel, what are you expecting is here?

[glossy nymph]

Free VPN :3

[glossy nymph]

Other 2.

[fervent lodge]

@subtle finch so question

this is the picture when you do sewage passthrough

because it can't grab the sewage, it'll fill up liquid xiranite to the brim

once sewage arrives, it should start running the full recipe chain

but it bails early because it cannot run the first recipe

the game simply runs recipes that can be ran, right?

[vital narwhal]

My feature request is hotkey to open recipe selection panel

[fervent lodge]

L

oh you mean for the building?

just double click

i haven't used the recipe selection in a while because autopropagate works anyway, you don't need to select them manually anymore

[subtle finch]

i think so, just a basic if chains, i dont think it uses signals for that

[vital narwhal]

O sweet I didn't know about double click, huge

[graceful wraith]

Look at this convoluted mess lmao

[glossy nymph]

Holy f.... I feel fcing old rn.... When did things get so.... Damm idk, @fervent lodge Give me a word to describe this.

[fervent lodge]

it's just items in crucible over time

[glossy nymph]

😭😭😭 I was just gone for 2 months.....

[maiden blaze]

Hi why don't my factory keep failing

[fervent lodge]

there's a building that has 8 slots for ingredients

[maiden blaze]

I kinda fix it before I reorganize everything

[glossy nymph]

Ik. I was like damm. Ig why not

[wet hinge]

Stole this, and used the Sewage to make Xircon :3

[glossy nymph]

Atleast you are honest..

[quartz pagoda]

smart, will remember it next big factory change

[fervent lodge]

i need an alt i fear

to theorycraft shit

[vital narwhal]

tc what?

[fervent lodge]

reactor mechanics

an alt because i don't my main to be banned

need to hook into tick data to compare graphs

[fringe owl]

Isnt this set up slower or smthin?

[subtle finch]

i cant do my deliveries 😭

[fringe owl]

I thought u need 2 for fast xircon

[vital narwhal]

Msq jail gg

[tall tangle]

idle for few seconds. happened to me before

[subtle finch]

nvm, they're on the other side of the building because of a quest

[orchid pilot]

There are many things going on here, but here are some things to note in roughly decreasing order of importance:

1. When you have enough resources to do so, you want to be feeding and offtaking full recipe proportions so your machines are being fully utilized. For a feeding example, your top-right skyforge in the first picture is being underfed, because it has only one stabilizing carbon line going in whereas it needs 2 (ignoring for the moment that the line itself is not filled). For an offtake example, your carbon shredder (same pic, left of AIC) is clogged because you're only taking one line out, whereas its recipe supplies 2 outputs.
2. At top left in the same picture, your dense ori split isn't accomplishing anything since it's all feeding to the same machine - may as well just put that one line in directly. You need three full lines of dense ori input - what you've done here (again, ignoring for now that the lines are not full) is feed 1 + 0.5 + 0.5 = 2
3. Because presumably you have similar ratio differences throughout your line, your production of key intermediates that you're pulling from depot are empty and not replenishing at the rate you're pulling them, so the lines are gappy, only getting an item when it's sporadically made elsewhere. Matching the buildings/inputs/outputs to the recipe ratios all the way upstream should help address this.
4. I believe the reactor in the right side of that pic is clogged because there's no offtake for inert xircon (or maybe it's hidden behind the buttons). This clog caused the cuprium refiner upstream to clog (sewage full). Need to resolve this to stop losing cuprium (if your raw ore is already capped)
5. Not recommended to make steel in Wuling; V4 HC batteries are strictly worse than medicine C in terms of wuling stock bills
6. Not recommended to use item control ports as they slow down operations

[fervent lodge]

one formula runs at a time