aic-factory

[meager stream]

how bout sandleaf?

[heavy mango]

thats still 2 planters and 1 seed picker

[keen river]

sandleaf still needs two planters, yeah

only two wuling plants work

[frigid dirge]

idk but lot of farm of sandleaf

[meager stream]

wait, isnt sandleaf seed can produce 2 too?

[keen river]

nah

its reversed

[frigid dirge]

on valley IV

[heavy mango]

?

[keen river]

sandleaf is 1 seed -> 1 plant and then 1 plant -> 2 seeds

[heavy mango]

what is y'all saying

[frigid dirge]

farming thing

[sonic summit]

also sandleaf itself only produce 1 carbon instead of 2 like wuling plant

[keen river]

wuling plants make 1 seed per 1 plant, but then 1 seed grows into two plants, so you can use the other plant directly for production

[frigid dirge]

okay time to get away AIC thing

[keen river]

in valley4 ones, you need to convert the second seed to plant and only then use it

[tall tangle]

oversimplified baby level forge with no spaghetti

[frigid dirge]

need brain rest

[keen river]

you definitely could despaggethi it more 😅

[tall tangle]

no. aesthetics mattered back then

[heavy mango]

what if i like spaghetti

[meager stream]

hmm but every yazhen/jincao planting unit need waters. 10 plant buildings = 10 water pipes 😓

[magic steppe]

only now have i finished my wuling factory to find out i completely botched the yazhen planters and treated them like sandleaf

im going to kyostinv myself

[meager stream]

Aaa (brain exploded)

[keen river]

every water source can supply two buildings

and every pipe can supply four buildings too

its not that bad

[ancient wagon]

Oh Lifeng isn't pronounced Life N G

[magic steppe]

i did this to a solid 6 yazhen planters i am fucking stupid

[ancient wagon]

Oh is there an outpost in the stockade place

[magic steppe]

wait i dont even need 6 yazhen planters for 12 grinding units

i need 3

[marble yarrow]

I MUST STOP

[magic steppe]

OH MY FUCKING GOD IM AN IDIOT

[frigid dirge]

what are u trying to do tho

[keen river]

i think your math might be off tbh

[magic steppe]

at this point i just need to throw in the bag and kyostinv it

[keen river]

for typical xiranite production, its 1 planter -> 1 shredders/refiners -> 2 refiners/shredders-> 2 grinders -> 2 refiners -> 1 forge

[frigid dirge]

so u'r making xiranite?

[marble yarrow]

this power must be stopped

[tall tangle]

now bring acid to spaceship

[ancient wagon]

Is there an outpost is the stockade that you go to esrly in wuling

[marble yarrow]

bypass

[fringe oasis]

What in the sky pipe

[magic steppe]

yes its unlocked relatively early in the wuling story

[ancient wagon]

I thought so, I saw a huge open square grass platform. Thanks

[marble yarrow]

god-given resource

[ancient wagon]

I hate the grinding unit

Too many steps

[magic steppe]

chat now that i have a full efficiency wuling factory (albeit not efficient in build quality at all) is it even worth rebuilding before the aic update releases

[ancient wagon]

Update?

[magic steppe]

the update that adds 4 more forges

[keen river]

im impressed you managed to drag the pipe over the building using the hill 😅

[ancient wagon]

Well I don't know whst a forge is so it doesnt affect me

WULING PAC HEREEEEE

[ancient wagon]

And now i have to build a whole new factory and do a whole new tech tree

[magic steppe]

how do you even get the pipe up there

[tacit quarry]

i make Xiranite saver since we cant use all Xiranite to produce extra Xircon
base on extra batty use Dense originium powder 25/120 = 20.8333 %
when we produce xircon we can only make 1 Xircon eff = 0.5 x Xircon
so I reduce it production to only 40% by using 3 spliiter = 16.16.666 (1st spliiter)+ 4.166665 (3rd splitter) = 20.8333
so I save some Xiranite usage

[magic steppe]

surely this cant be worth it over just unfilling acid bottles

[ancient wagon]

How can factory building be this complicated sounding

[marble yarrow]

save by not treating inert. purify it

[tacit quarry]

already purify it at heavy xiranite

[dark cipher]

Would it be faster if I added another expanded crucible to the purification unit?

[marble yarrow]

not that. purify it and return it to the reactor

reuse it for xircon

[tacit quarry]

nice idea

we saving every bit aren't we

[marble yarrow]

its a great challenge for math and implementation

[marble yarrow]

yeah xiranite is most precious one

[tacit quarry]

now i have to recalculate new ratio

super hard part now

[marble yarrow]

many people are doing their own solutions for that extra 25/min dense, to make 6.25 xircon for it without wasting inert

25 dense + 6.25 xircon = 1.25 SC battery

[tacit quarry]

ngl this part might be a bit too much, lol

[terse zodiac]

Any decent early-Wuling main AIC blueprint for xiranite and batteries?

[marble yarrow]

i have just cleared space in my AIC to start doing that problem as well, the 1.25 SC no-waste

[tacit quarry]

at this point
reusing innert = mean more innert -> I can reduce xiranite/sewage usage
I reduce xiranite/sewage usage -> mean I produce less innert
now this is very complex

[jovial breach]

I only have a xiranite bp, are you asia?

[terse zodiac]

No, EU. 😔

I only have a size 2 AIC right now.

[jovial breach]

Well i guess wait for some kind eu peeps

Or if you want i can send pic

[winged oriole]

Inert doesn't drive xiranite usage, it's the other way around

[terse zodiac]

I see some stuff in #1461542035617091681.

But they're more than a month old, idk if they're still accurate.

[regal horizon]

gah damn i love the artillery

[sonic summit]

and here i am manual transfer 10/min dense from valley left over( 20/m ori ore) for 1.5/min sc instead

[tawny ravine]

feels bad that the other combat facilities we got this patch are useless because artillery is too good

idk what even the big laser tower does

[thorn mason]

can i change which comes out where

[jovial breach]

Nope

[sonic summit]

purify unit ? you cant for some reason

[thorn mason]

[thorn mason]

[thorn mason]

i thought it was like shocked

[tacit quarry]

purifier? no

[jovial breach]

[thorn mason]

i figured all that out, its doing heroine or whatever the name is of that red new stuff

[jovial breach]

Heroine 💀

[thorn mason]

OH it was hetonite

[jovial breach]

Ok that works, but at 1/8 speed

[thorn mason]

not much space here, and im to lazy to get it to my wuling city aic where i have a sh*t ton of space

[jovial breach]

Actually it's 1/4 speed of hetonite, just add 3 more crucibles like that

[thorn mason]

ok

[jovial breach]

Because purify unit consumes 4 per 2 seconds

[thorn mason]

but i'll have to make 3 more coperium(idk the name) lines

and i dont have a lot of space

OR MAYBE

ok i'll try something

can i somehow sellect the belt under?

[jovial breach]

Nope

[warped delta]

Just ruining property values and dgaf huh? /s

[thorn mason]

[tacit quarry]

it's done
I only need to input 1/3 xiranite

[warped delta]

Have to do it in 3rd person mode not top-down sadly

[jovial breach]

Crazy pipe work there but ok i guess

[tacit quarry]

making xircon with recycle = 1.25 xircon

[thorn mason]

OR just delete both and put back the pipe

[tacit quarry]

now I need to make it a little bit more compact

[warped delta]

I haven't tried them yet bc there is no new outpost defense

[winged oriole]

bulk select both and then unselect the thing on top

[jovial breach]

Lmao i completely forgot we have the hyper beam tower

[covert agate]

i used up 210 xiranite/min but for xiranite and cuprium components, why you guys need more SC battery?

[warped delta]

The hetonite production can technically take 2 Purification units which take 4 Reactors each for inputs. Although we only have enough cuprium for 6 reactors currently without running at a deficit.

[winged oriole]

you can only use so many components so it's a matter of which you think will have more value some way far down the line

[warped delta]

It can be a change of pace, but since rifts spawn guys at a fixed speed, there is only so fast you can clear them even if you overkill the turrets on each one

They don't they're just hoarders.

[covert agate]

true

[winged oriole]

Also it's just kinda nice to have a variable capacity battery line in case you throw your xircon production out of whack while remodeling or something

[covert agate]

I guess I have too much of everything

[iron stratus]

what is the the weekly artificing crystals net cost vs weekly trading income

[thorn mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1485410859105652898/1497256374814511254/67120b36-bd09-4f0f-a79b-f662b4116a2d.gif

me watching it

[jovial breach]

Is that 4.5 heto and 0.75 copium comp

[thorn mason]

(i was in shock)

MMMM

[iron stratus]

unconnected

[covert agate]

4.5 heto 0.5 cuprium comp 0.25 hetonite comp

[thorn mason]

not enof space

[iron stratus]

that would mean 3 heto and .75 heto comp would it not

[jovial breach]

Doesn't that mean your cupium is at a deficit?

[covert agate]

ah nope it's 180/180

[jovial breach]

how so

Do you have stockpiled mats or something

[iron stratus]

4.5 heto takes 180 cuprium

you cant make any comps with full heto part yield

[regal rain]

hi guys. just wanted to show this off. theoretically, it is possible to have all 1.2 production maintained in the main pac. the reason why you cannot do this in practice is because the game has a factory placement limit of 512 per region, which when reached, forbids you from placing most facilities including zipline and relay pylons in the region

[tall tangle]

default .5

[covert agate]

the above image how I managed

[jovial breach]

So that's not really 4.5 heto?

[covert agate]

yes it's not indeed stable 4.5 as I sent 5/min cuprium for cuprium component

[tall tangle]

hence why fluctuations

[jovial breach]

Ye makes sense

[keen river]

they really need to raise that limit.. its 768 in valley 4's main pac, and that needs less buildings overall

[tall tangle]

in v4 you either space (bus) inefficient or have many bridges with steel and dense ori

justified imo. in wuling we have pipes

[regal rain]

damn, i thought it would increase by a power of 2.
makes even less sense considering v4 requires far less complexity

[keen river]

its jus 256 * 3

there are other limits that are around power of two multiplied/ added in weird way

for example, the belt limit in valley 4 is 1152 pieces, aka 256 * 4 + 128

[regal rain]

that's perplexing

[keen river]

i understand that they need to have some limit so that people dont spam stupid shit and waste network but man

it should be at least twice what we have

it shouldnt be possible to hit the inivisble sanity limit during normal factory building

[marble yarrow]

same belt limit in wuling city

[dapper surge]

something happen to this damn game, it is not work when i offline, i online everyday tho

[covert agate]

i think it's just AIC report issue, when you just logged back in

[dapper surge]

but all my product ran out

[winged oriole]

Did you sell anything to outpost

[dapper surge]

before that all at 80k

[winged oriole]

around when it picks back up

[dapper surge]

everything, everything from 80k to 100-200

[keen river]

thats weird

[winged oriole]

looks kinda like ferrium product capped out to me

[keen river]

how long offline were you/

[thorn mason]

can i be usa and put sewage into healthy water?

[regal horizon]

nestle be like

[winged oriole]

Fill this thing with sewage

then angle it so you can't see the clog

[thorn mason]

[thorn mason]

but can i put it into normal infinity water

[tacit quarry]

alright I solve no wasted production, It should look like this
66.25 Xircon (recycle extra innert Xircon)
22.5 Hetonite
13.25 SC battery
without producing any component, you will have 20 Xiranite left per min

[jovial breach]

Holy minmaxer

[tacit quarry]

I think this is all we can minmax, nothing left to recycle

cant produce Heavy Xiranite cuz skyforge limit

[thorn mason]

meanwhile me and idk what is happening

[keen river]

i wish powered down crucible still passed items through :<

[tall tangle]

and i have 15 free iron

[jovial breach]

I just ignore the excess 21.66667 xiranite (from making 1.6667 lc battery)

[tacit quarry]

once you reach LV 2 camp, you should stop making Syringe [A] and produce Hetonite as much as possible

[tall tangle]

nah, not minmaxing, little profit not worth trouble

[jovial breach]

Indeed

[tall tangle]

when more copium gonna make 1 heto

[covert agate]

you can spend the remaining xiranite 20/min

[jovial breach]

I just make a simple 1.66667 lc battery instead of a whole 1.25 sc setup

[thorn mason]

why did i JUST learn that i can put expanded crucible outside the zone

[keen river]

there is no merit in having expanded crucible outside of the zone tho

[jovial breach]

You can but you wont be able to input items into it, only liquid

[winged oriole]

I'm waiting for someone to build the forge that alternates between xiranite and heavy xiranite for me

[jovial breach]

Didn't haruna make that already

[tacit quarry]

yeah, that's only available option left

[thorn mason]

but it helps that i can put purification unit outside

[keen river]

well yeah

you can also put normal crucible outside and make use of it

but i dont think there is any situatio where you can use expanded crucible without it wasting energy

[regal rain]

oh btw expanded crucibles are the biggest scam so far

[jovial breach]

I dont see the need for that tech yet since you have too much free space

[keen river]

this is pretty much their only use case

[winged oriole]

wdym I got to reduce 3 facilities and 50 power

[covert agate]

it's true, it's only worth to make zircon as of now

[tacit quarry]

expanded reactor only save space, and 100 energy (total)

[winged oriole]

I've got this one going

[jovial breach]

If only it can make 2 of the same formulas at once, so you dont have to input extra xircon fluid to it

[keen river]

yeah, but you can do this in two crucibles for same energy

you need to perform 3 recipes at once for it to make sense

[tall tangle]

yeah, saving some space tho

[winged oriole]

1 facility count...!

[keen river]

i guess its true

[tacit quarry]

I only use Expanded crusible for making Xircon Effluent
I still dont trust it to manage sewage water, heard that sometime it stop working

[regal rain]

how'd you set this up? i'm curious

[keen river]

it would be much more useful if we could have multiple item outputs

[tall tangle]

it's easy. depends on setup tho

[keen river]

like 99% of setups i have seen

fail if you underfeed xiranite for whatever reason

[winged oriole]

just merge all your hetonite solution into one pipe and put acid, ferrium powder, cuprium powder, in

[jovial breach]

Sewage shouldn't build up, idk how but for some reason the sewage is always at 0 after a while

[tacit quarry]

that's what I fear

[winged oriole]

maybe something to do with 50 xircon

[keen river]

it will clog if you underfeed it xiranite for a while

[jovial breach]

Probably something to do with belts

[tacit quarry]

that's why I use extra reactor for Xircon

[jovial breach]

I guess the xircon belt is slowed down offline which helped keeping the sewage under controlled

[regal rain]

oh wait, did you do this by slotting in all of the prerequisite fluids first before putting in the xiranite and water?

[covert agate]

but that's losing the point of using expanded one, u supposed to replace all normal ones with just 4 expanded to make 60/min zircon

[keen river]

nah

thats the default one crucible xircon thing

[tacit quarry]

yes I use expaned reactor for x4 Xircon effluent, but after that I sent them to normal reactor to make Solid xircon

[jovial breach]

Idk it never failed for me, i dont even remember what order i set it up

[tall tangle]

if you preload right one with like 20 sewage, it'll never stop when system starts

[tacit quarry]

maybe they fix the bug, but i'm still skeptical about it

[regal rain]

wow, i never knew that
guess i have room to improve

[covert agate]

I just did it like this, no issue

[winged oriole]

I like this design it's very stable

[jovial breach]

Can you show how the 2nd cruicible look like, i wonder if it's also have xircon build up

Oh you use 2 belts output xircon

[winged oriole]

yeah 2 belts prevents buildup

[keen river]

i use the usual enka's guy 4 crucible setup

[jovial breach]

How long has this been running?

[keen river]

it works 99% of time 😅

[barren sparrow]

wuling battery hurt me brain

[orchid tiger]

How do you make infinite sewage, without generating an item that will end up clogging the system?

[tall tangle]

with hetonite

[keen river]

https://tenor.com/dRS1rZeHB3p.gif

[orchid tiger]

How do you get rid of the hetonite? (navigating) The in-game recipe system sucks ass

[jovial breach]

Real lmao i never understand crucible offline behavior

[barren sparrow]

anyone got a blueprints for sc wuling batt ?

[keen river]

you covnert it to hetonite gear materials

or you covert it to hetornite circuits and sell to tangtang

[barren sparrow]

My head got dumb

[keen river]

its more efficient moneywise

[thorn mason]

WY

[orchid tiger]

You mean hetonite components?

[keen river]

hetonite parts

[orchid tiger]

Oh you trade them, alright fair enough

thanks

[tall tangle]

anything hetonite eats a lot

you could also just make .5 yazhenA station and it'll be enough for batteries. just 2 sewage after all

[orchid tiger]

Yeah I'm doing this rn but once my depot is full of cuprium it stalls

I guess I could sell cuprium parts

Ima try hetonite tho

[thorn mason]

any idea how can i help it?

i need two water threatment

and the tower in the middle is holding everything together likt spiderman in that one movie

[winged oriole]

It just me or is there only acid coming out of that purification unit

[thorn mason]

XD yes thats also one problem

i didnt see that

EVEN WORST, its going to nowhere

me trying to do it

[orchid tiger]

Is that your hetonite setup?

[thorn mason]

yeaaaaaa

[tall tangle]

it looks like this to me

[covert agate]

pipe is piping for sure

[thorn mason]

you wont guess, i went to toilet and forgot what was doing what and had to learn it again

and now i have no idea how to do it

pls dont say "delete and use blueprint"

i want to do it myself

its the part of the game

[winged oriole]

I think you just need to hook that purification unit up to a crucible

and do something with the acid

[tall tangle]

please unlearn noodles and reinvent straight lines. like. wth is this one supposed to do?

[orchid tiger]

I'm making mine in 2 parts

this is the hetonite part

and I just make the cuprium elsewhere

doesn't seem too tough

compared to the freakin SC battery hell

[thorn mason]

no i mean like two on the bottom are not throwing away sewage

[thorn mason]

someone told me its 1/4 and i felt my ego hurt

[orchid tiger]

idk man I did this

[thorn mason]

there i got 1/4

[thorn mason]

but then its still 1/4

[orchid tiger]

what do you mean 1/4

[thorn mason]

because depot unloader is a watercup

[orchid tiger]

LOL

what do you mean

[thorn mason]

here you do 4

[orchid tiger]

what does being a watercup mean lmao

[thorn mason]

but here you STILL put 1 of those into the machine

[orchid tiger]

I love that

[orchid tiger]

? what

[tall tangle]

i dont have dedication to randomly place things and then untangle the knot. so lazy, didnt even use extended reactor. how do people even force themselves to draw noodles with pipes and belts?

[thorn mason]

here you do 4/2s

[orchid tiger]

What are you talking about with your numbers 😭

4/2s what

what is 4 and what is 2

[thorn mason]

4 corpium(the red stuff)/2s(seconds)

[orchid tiger]

the amount I put down doesn't matter

you can add or delete them

4 cuprium just fills the sewage pipe perfectly

if you put 5 cuprium then you need 1 more sewage pipe

since each cuprium generates 0.5 sewage/s

and a pipe can only carry 2 liquid/s

[thorn mason]

i think i may be high

[orchid tiger]

[orchid tiger]

4/2s blunt

[cobalt mauve]

ok so

@wheat kayak

[wheat kayak]

I have this one blueprint down I just don't know how to connect the pipes

[slate plume]

guys how many hetonite components are like ENOUGH ?

[wheat kayak]

Like ppl can enjoy the AIC but I really hate it I'm not that smart for it

[cobalt mauve]

this is my current settup for aic

or at least for hetonite components

granted its slow

but thats also due to the fact im trying to limit clogging on my main aic factory

[wheat kayak]

Lemme grab the one I'm using

I just need to know how to set the pipes up but it's confusing the hell out of me

It was way easy before when I could just slap a blueprint down n I was on business

[wheat kayak]

It's a blueprint I found online

[sly bramble]

My brain hurt trying to get the Expanded Crucible working

[wheat kayak]

I'm here for gameplay not sitting around for hours placing shit down

[tall tangle]

my condolences

[heavy mango]

guys how do we feel about this layout...

[cobalt mauve]

OK SO I THINK I SEE YOUR PROBLEM

[sly bramble]

There are still alot of spaces

[cobalt mauve]

first connect the refined cuprium to the shreading unit

(the conveyor I mean)

if it isnt already

[heavy mango]

theyre connected

[wheat kayak]

Idek where that is in all of this

[heavy mango]

you can see the arrows

[wheat kayak]

Do u have PlayStation?

[heavy mango]

basically, its missing water

the conduits are kinda like relay towers, just for fluids

[cobalt mauve]

dont play it on there (I play on pc)

[wheat kayak]

Damnit lol

[heavy mango]

those in the blueprint are the outlets, so you need to connect them to an inlet that in itself is connected to a water pump

[cobalt mauve]

well not everything in that build should be water specific

this build is for hetonite parts

which would require inert xiranite fluids

(for certain conduits)

[wheat kayak]

Sorry was helping my mother

[cobalt mauve]

unless you are talking about your build ofc

[heavy mango]

is the idea of a conduit

[heavy mango]

nah, nah, just figured that maybe the water might be a good place to start

[cobalt mauve]

fair enough

[wheat kayak]

In the blueprint I don't see any open conduits so now I'm very confused

[cobalt mauve]

conduits are the things with the pipe symbol above them

(like the disconnected pipe symbol)

[dense wind]

With the update, are yall funneling all your copium into Hetonite?

[heavy mango]

like these

[cobalt mauve]

yes those ones basically are outlets

[wheat kayak]

Ok the two purification units on the right have 2 places I can attach pipes too it wants Xircon

[cobalt mauve]

(you can tell by the up facing arrow behind the liquid symbol)

[heavy mango]

we get to that later, that wont matter until you have water

[tall tangle]

some 4/6 some all

[wheat kayak]

Oh wait a minute

[keen river]

look what we need to do to achieve fraction of power that priority merger/splitters could have 😭

[heavy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-16242165383818627699

[wheat kayak]

Idk nothing is making sense

[heavy mango]

i think you should go play the simulations... it's hard to explain this when I assume you've not engaged with AIC that much

[wheat kayak]

Idk where to connect the conduits

[tall tangle]

and no anomalous liquid behaviour in this one?

[keen river]

seem good enough

[heavy mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1497701197891764427/image.png?ex=69ee7a6f&is=69ed28ef&hm=51101225d9d461fffcd3858aa1ecc84eba55ca305a98822d7da2c2fd1dda2121&

think of them like underground pipes

you connect the inlet to an outlet like you would a relay

[keen river]

tank is slowly filling up so all good

[heavy mango]

it will then magically transport the liquid between them

[wheat kayak]

I get that but how do I setup tanks with Xiranite

[cobalt mauve]

think of it like... power relay pilons (one takes in power and the other once connected to the intake of power ejects said power)

[wheat kayak]

Maybe that's what's missing there's no tank setups cuz all the conduit's are set up to places already

[tall tangle]

i tried pipe limitation and something is wrong with them as i get different results. what's the trick? no logistics elements next to each other, need pipes in between?

[keen river]

i think you need pipes between

or it does weird shit

[fervent lodge]

priority converge works only on fully saturated lines

[cobalt mauve]

OK THAT BLUEPRINT IS WEIRD

[graceful wraith]

Anyone got a super duper compact sc battery?

[fervent lodge]

or tick aligned unsaturared lines

[keen river]

this basically tries to push as much sewage as possible to the right bottom

[heavy mango]

and this is where it gets fucky because those outlets are supposed to be connected to inlets that take the innert xircon effluent byproduct from a xircon effluent reactor

which is supposed to be SOMEWHERE ELSE in your AIC

[cobalt mauve]

@heavy mango why would it be producing sewage if its a blueprint for hetonite parts?

(like it doesnt have the xiranite production to make xiranite effluent or whatever its called so its only a partial blueprint)

[wheat kayak]

Then Ig this blueprint is a bust I need a different one.....

[heavy mango]

pretty much, it assumes you already have a running Xircon production

[keen river]

yeah, that blueprint is bit ass

[tall tangle]

so i guess pipe causes a delay preventing liquid jumping between logistic units...

[cobalt mauve]

agreed

[wheat kayak]

Anyone got a set up blueprint for everything

[keen river]

yeah, i think each pipe adds one whatever-unit of tick it uses

[wheat kayak]

I'm not here for the AiC I just want to fight stuff : (

[heavy mango]

not everything sadly, still working out the kinks

[cobalt mauve]

not me sorry (blueprints can only get so much of my factory)

[wheat kayak]

How do ppl do giant blueprints

[cobalt mauve]

they dont

(at least I dont think they do)

[heavy mango]

https://enkad.enka.network/?id=n5R2Z6H6C3P0P0
by spending 15 hours

have it be known

that is by no means a good blueprint

[cobalt mauve]

💀

[heavy mango]

there are way better ones

and this isnt even done

[thorn mason]

JUST KILL ME

[tacit quarry]

my current min-max build for 1.2
7 Xiranite
1 Heavy Xiranite (2 Xiranite , recyle 4 innert Xircon Eff)
2 full load Xircon (4 Xiranite) + ( produce 4 innert Xircon Eff as extra product)
2 full load SC battery (2 Xircon, 8 Dense Originium powder)
1 (20.83%) Xircon (1/3 sewage + 1/3 Xiranite + recycle its own innert Xircon Eff )
1 (20.83%) SC battery ( (20.83%) Xircon , 1 Dense Originium powder (all Meta transfer D Dense Originium powder ))
6 Cuprium
1 (75%) Hetonite

[wheat kayak]

This one looked good but for whatever reason the code doesn't work for me

Even tho I am EU/NA

[heavy mango]

but it'll set you up with 210 Xiranite production, 6 Heavy Xiranite, 12SC Wuling batteries and the start for cuprium

[cobalt mauve]

the other issue is that you need to get xiranite production to produce the acid/liquid that is requried for it

[uneven aspen]

was wondering if they got conduit inlets working

or if they broke the yield charts

[wheat kayak]

I do have Xiranite production

Just not the Xirc stuff

[cobalt mauve]

do you have xircon effluent production?

[wheat kayak]

That one no

[cobalt mauve]

so thats your starting point

[heavy mango]

yeah, most blueprints assume you have a 12 SC battery setup to have the 4 inert effluent byproduct to then turn into heavy xiranite

find a blueprint that gets you 12 SC Wuling Batteries

[cobalt mauve]

I question how this is possible but looking at how 1.2 added the purification unit I wouldnt be surprised

[thorn mason]

i found one siglepipe-pipeline that i can delete

[cobalt mauve]

im running at 6 sc battery settup rn

[heavy mango]

the yield chart does seem to be fucked, as well as the fact that it doesn't count some of the more complex advanced reactor recipes, so it just straight up doesnt count my xircon produce

[uneven aspen]

xircon one you need proper sewage and xiranite production in the same plan

[cobalt mauve]

lots of yield charts in endfield are not designed for the complex settups we make tbh

[wheat kayak]

Found this one is this good?

[cobalt mauve]

yeah but that blueprint doesnt have the xiranite production

[deft orbit]

is this the new BiS or are there better stuff to use? (This is working wonders but I ask if there are better combos atm)

[uneven aspen]

this one doesn't work without the sewage from cuprium

[heavy mango]

it'll do I suppose, just replace the Water Treatment Units with a single Purification unit

[uneven aspen]

looks like xiranite doesnt count now though

purification unit works on enkad just not if you connect it to conduit inlet

[deft orbit]

what site is dis? endfield tools?

[cobalt mauve]

yeah that looks good to me

[heavy mango]

https://enkad.enka.network/?id=n5R2Z6H6C3P0P0

EnKad

[uneven aspen]

https://enkad.enka.network/

[wheat kayak]

Wdym?

[uneven aspen]

endfield tools is kinda bad look to use

[heavy mango]

you see the Water Treatment units on the left?
Ditch both, instead place ONE Purification unit in their stead

the inert xircon effluent can be purified into active xircon effluent, which allows you to use it in another Skyforge for Heavy Xiranite

which you then need for Hetonite Gears

welcome to Hetonite, the factory actually requires thinking now :D

[cobalt mauve]

yeah ngl the purification unit saved me some time and energy trying to set up my sub-pac

[cobalt mauve]

yeah ngl I wish they had large scale blueprints for factories already

[heavy mango]

i guess placing a massive AIC blueprint would just make some phones explode with the sudden load of hundreds of models

[cobalt mauve]

I guess

[cobalt mauve]

also out of curiosity did you do the hetonite part production in the main aic area or the sub-pac areas?

[wheat kayak]

Like this?

[cobalt mauve]

yeah that should work

[heavy mango]

aye

now just source the Acid

[cobalt mauve]

ngl I so wish that we had a auto trash factory facility

[graceful wraith]

Uh which do we wanna go with which again? Heavy xiranite with xircon, and heto comp with hetonite?

[thorn mason]

it may be bad but... i have nothing to say its horible, but it works

[heavy mango]

what works, work ;D

[heavy mango]

What's the endgoal?

[sly bramble]

Can we add mob farm to the factory system

[thorn mason]

its making heroine or whatever the name is

[cobalt mauve]

angeloi farm would make sense
landbreaker farm... not so much

[cobalt mauve]

hetonite gear?

[thorn mason]

yes heroine parts

[heavy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/cocainum-gif-21501772

[thorn mason]

i'll never stop calling it heroine i just cant remember the name

[graceful wraith]

Maximum prod I guess, my main AIC got 8 xiranite, 2 sc battery, 2 sandleaf and 4 cuprium (sandleaf for battery, cuprium for heto)
Jingyu outpost, I'm planning to put 2 xircon (with 2 cuprium for sewage), and heavy xiranite
Marker outpost, hetonite and heto parts I guess

[cobalt mauve]

parts or components?

[thorn mason]

FU#K
i need to do another pipeline to throw out the sewage
AND IM ON THE LIMIT

[thorn mason]

parts

[cobalt mauve]

ah

[heavy mango]

right, start by dismantling one of your Xiranite Lines, you need the extra forge for Heavy Xiranite

[wheat kayak]

Xircon achieved

[cobalt mauve]

I got an idea...

[cobalt mauve]

hear me out: ||use conduits to transfer some of the liquids which removes some of the piping||

[thorn mason]

i did it

[thorn mason]

IT WORKS, im not changing anything

[graceful wraith]

Oh yea, it's gonna woosh then. How abt the others?

[thorn mason]

the marker stone aic is DONE, im not gonna touch it ever again probably

[graceful wraith]

Wait until new ver gives u new stuff

[cobalt mauve]

if it makes you feel any better it takes me 10 ish minutes to create a single component

[graceful wraith]

Gonna dismantle everything in ur factory and redo it all over again

[heavy mango]

the main idea is that, instead of putting the Inert Xircon Effluent from making Xircon Effluent into a waste treatment unit, you put it into a Purification unit, which turns it back into active effluent

You put the newly made active effluent and some Xiranite into the Skyfroge you just freed up, and that makes you Heavy Xiranite

[thorn mason]

im didnt even make this ver equipment components

components arent a problem really

[cobalt mauve]

the new components just require heavy xiranite + the parts you are making now)

[heavy mango]

once you got the Heavy Xiranite going, figure out Hetonite and it's easy picking from there

[graceful wraith]

Aight so putting heavy xiranite in one outpost together with xircon is cool

[thorn mason]

i have both of those in the same area XD

[graceful wraith]

Aight thanks gng

[heavy mango]

yeah, just make sure your battery production doesnt actually suffer

because making hetonite takes ferrium

so be careful with your ferrium consumption

[cobalt mauve]

I still find it funny how it takes me 10 minutes to make a single hetonite component

[thorn mason]

on the left is the last part of heroine parts and on the right is heavy xirinite

[heavy mango]

yeah, unless you do your best to optimise your lines, hetonite gear is gonna be tough

[cobalt mauve]

works out for me since it would take ~100 days at minimum for my battery production to clog now

[tall tangle]

1,5/min

[cobalt mauve]

nice

[heavy mango]

right

ive officially stared at too much AIC today

and I think I might have a brain aneurysm somewhere

goodnight

[cobalt mauve]

gn!

[thorn mason]

i just recalled that 6 hours ago i wanted to get some essence but saw a guy make those big cannons so wanted them but needed heroine parts, time to get some essence

[cobalt mauve]

factory does get us distracted lol 😂

[thorn mason]

no, everything i did was for that reason only

i just didnt expect it to take that long

im scared, it dropped so my power isnt good enough

[cobalt mauve]

your power should be fine (prob)

[tall tangle]

mortars are power hungry

[thorn mason]

it just dropped again
now i have 3 minute break for teleporting to the jingya aic

i love my connection

[graceful wraith]

Welp, that's enough factory for today

Time to beat rhodagn senseless

[wheat kayak]

Thx for trying to help me I'm just gonna sadly hunker down n follow a video tutorial cuz otherwise I'm not getting this done

[thorn mason]

for me its time for essence farming

[thorn mason]

what are you trying to do?

[wheat kayak]

Hetonite Components

[thorn mason]

want to use my idea?

XD

its horible but it works somehow

[wheat kayak]

Tried Blueprints but this time around it's not place an go

[thorn mason]

wait components

[wheat kayak]

Setting up the pipes from blueprints is making Brain melt

[thorn mason]

who is brain

[wheat kayak]

🧠

My brain is melting from setting up pipes

[thorn mason]

OHHHH i forgot about it, i was supposed to make xironite fluid to do it, but saw i dont have xironite, then say'd "i'll do it later", choose to make some essence runs and then do heroine parts

makes sense

oh and i forgot about those

[tacit quarry]

just wondering do you guys still using battery saver?

[thorn mason]

what

what is it

[balmy plume]

whaaa

[thorn mason]

different hight

[balmy plume]

same eheight

[tacit quarry]

like it delay battery delivery so i dont use battery more than it use

[thorn mason]

but things you conected are probably on other hights

[thorn mason]

eeeeeeeeeeeeee no

[balmy plume]

ohh

[thorn mason]

IM DONE
a minute before day ended

[fervent lodge]

did you check help btw

it explains why

[uneven aspen]

this?

[fervent lodge]

yep

if you want noninterruptible water that is not governed by local production, use pumps as sources instead of conduits

or have an array of pumps going into conduits that satisfy the initial startup amount

as soon as a product touches a conduit inlet or a depot loader it's considered a local resource and will be constrainted across unloaders and outlets to make sure your supply is accurately limited

same as here

[deft bough]

does anybody on NA/EU have a zipline in the ballpark area of this marker tag they'd be able to share w me?

[uneven aspen]

What to use for dumping fluid away from the purification unit then?

[fervent lodge]

inlet

[quartz pagoda]

ball park?

[fervent lodge]

it'll just show as a surplus in totals

[uneven aspen]

that's what breaks its rn

[fervent lodge]

yeah because you're using outlets to supply acid

use acid pumps

[deft bough]

figure of speech, i just mean the general sort of area

[quartz pagoda]

oh i see

[uneven aspen]

hmm makes sense, though it will mean making different pipe logic.

cause i was using a manifold to split 3 pumps into 2

[fervent lodge]

you can just slap pump -> inlet somewhere else and it'll work

[quartz pagoda]

slap and pump, i like the sound of that

[fervent lodge]

like so

[wheat kayak]

It is done

Now I can sit back n do other things now lol

[long flax]

Could someone please explain to me why it keeps getting stuck? I keep having to dump out the regular Effluent every few hours just to get it moving again.

[tacit quarry]

I'm trying to make extra Xircon and Hetonite in 1 reactor, it doesn't work
may be a bit too much production + no extra exit belt

[ruby sorrel]

you have no sewage out presumably

if you're using it to make xircon you can't even remove it

[vital kraken]

my aic factory looks horrible 😭 i guess as long as it serves its purpose its alright

[ruby sorrel]

and there's definitely not enough slots

[long flax]

Would this help? The Xircon Effluent keeps maxing out when I log in. Somehow i have to drain 1-2 units of it to get the 4 reactors unstuck

[tacit quarry]

Fluid tank is not full yet
turn out it's because i don't have enough Ferrium powder,
too bad we can only export 1 product, and slot are quite full

[ruby sorrel]

yeah it's impossible to output even if you make it work somehow

[tacit quarry]

Making long Hetonite blueprint.
note: I use 8 instead of 6 reactor because I have some leftover curpium powder.

[tall tangle]

.5 each setup. i forgot already, but someone was talking about how it works before

[wispy wren]

was there always snow here

[ionic pollen]

Done stocking up on het and xir for the event. Now for hvy xir.

[long flax]

What's .5 the setup? You mean the distance of my line or my waterflow?

[tall tangle]

half of rock produced in each

[long flax]

Got it thank you.

[keen badge]

Oooh frozen region next mayhaps?
If the Endmin doesn't find his/her kin out there I would be... disappointed
#PinguFTW 🐧

[long flax]

Did you manually move them to V4 storage? Or did i miss some storage bots

[vivid forge]

so those 4 things are what the AIC event will require?

[pulsar willow]

anyone knows why my blueprints don't upload to enka?

[autumn cloud]

You're backing up on sewage because sewage is as biproduct

[fervent lodge]

server?

[pulsar willow]

EU NA

[fervent lodge]

check now

[pulsar willow]

oh now it worked instantly

thanks

[autumn cloud]

Try this instead where instead of running 4 Extended Crucible on the same level. 1st one gets fed water, xiranite, sewage. 2nd gets fed Xircon Effluent from the first, Water, Xiranite and Ferrium sand. This'll keep you from backing up on sewage because again, one of the reactions outputs sewage as a product so if you're maxed on sewage the reaction will not go. Theres a purifier that pipes the inert xircon into Hvy xircon or you can waste manage it out.

[long flax]

Thank you.

[pulsar willow]

Also I have a question: why don't xiranite towers power structures around them?

[fervent lodge]

didn't add that because who the hell uses xiranite relays in AIC

both pylons work

[pulsar willow]

I use it in my sandleaf megaplant because it looks prettier

[fervent lodge]

aintnoway...

what's the range on it again

[pulsar willow]

yeah yeah throw tomatoes at me

[pulsar willow]

7 by 7

[tall tangle]

if you want plants that badly why not feed output of 3x block into next seed unit? next planters will have 2 output close by

[pulsar willow]

show me an example, I can't imagine it

[fervent lodge]

not sure if that's what they were talking about

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1494325074759647323/image.png?ex=69ee0fad&is=69ecbe2d&hm=63d399bdaff27bbb54c8fa68d1622952734766a18dd63da4f49f92e82db8b1b9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1328&height=1286

there's also sandleaf summoning circle

[pulsar willow]

more pylons, more bridges, not that much space saved?

[tall tangle]

i dont use it, but basically

[pulsar willow]

very cool thank you

Man I love the sprite for purification unit

[fervent lodge]

how the fuck do you still have it

[keen river]

kek

[fervent lodge]

have you not refreshed the page in a month

😭

[keen river]

you should swap the beta pictures with Glados image and "We are getting out of beta, we are releasing on time" text on it

[pulsar willow]

I just opened it 😄

IDK maybe a cache didn't clear itself

man I really like the tool

[fervent lodge]

get off beta smh my head

there's a bigass warning in the menu

[ionic pollen]

manual move. It took some time.

[pulsar willow]

okay

[ionic pollen]

The plan is to make a bunch of factories in V4 to convert all that stuff into xir parts in no time at all.

[keen river]

it doesnt even take that long to move stuff when on dijiang

you can move 80k in like 5 minutes max

[ionic pollen]

It's easy to move from inv to depot, but what about depot to inv?

I didn't see any "fill inv will all of this" button

[tall tangle]

ctlr+rmb

[keen river]

you just ctrl + click on the item

or hold it and menu appears on mobile

its super fast

[cunning obsidian]

how even

[keen river]

the only problem is that the inventory screen is non-sicky so if you have a lot of depot loaders it tends to shift randomly

and you can move wrong item sometimes 😅

especially around batteries

[pulsar willow]

idk why I entered a beta though lol, I kinda had the link already so I just entered and didn't even notice it was a beta 😄

[cunning obsidian]

what are people running for production currently?

[ionic pollen]

if you don't sepnd much xir and het it's easy to fill over several days

[ionic pollen]

this is the sort of thing they should make the tutorials for

[cunning obsidian]

whats your het rate

[keen river]

im pretty sure there is a tutorial for it somewhere

but it probably only appeared once and you dismissed it

[ionic pollen]

sounds like something I'd do.

[pulsar willow]

max is 22.5

[keen river]

a lot of people dont even know that you can use dijiang for mass transfer

[pulsar willow]

constant rate

[cunning obsidian]

i'm making 7

[ionic pollen]

I'm sitting on 15 het per min

[cunning obsidian]

not making syringes?

[pulsar willow]

nope

[keen river]

now with less account id

[ionic pollen]

Dunno how I missed that

[keen river]

if you play it on mobile too

its bit faster on mobile

also on this screen, instead of trying to snipe the X, just click outside of window to dismis it

[pulsar willow]

or just press Esc?

[cunning obsidian]

i'm doing 12 sc and 6 syringes but thats not seeming to be enough to buy out the outposts

[keen river]

if you press it twice it might close the inventory

[tall tangle]

why? just right click anywhere

[keen river]

ye

[pulsar willow]

you need to make heavy xiranite and hetonite parts

do you make heavy xiranite?

[cunning obsidian]

those are being made

[keen river]

well, no right click on mobile

[cunning obsidian]

but i was trying not to sell them

[keen river]

on mobile click outside of the window 👍

[pulsar willow]

how much power do you use?

[vale topaz]

what is your sc consumption rate ?
sc alone should be good to slowly grind the 1st outpost.

[cunning obsidian]

4650 currently and yes its pwmed

12/m

[pulsar willow]

regional transfer?

[vale topaz]

2 sc battery with one of them being on slow mode ?

[ionic pollen]

Woo those move tips moved over all the hvy xir

Now to wait a few days so I can get the full 80k hvy xir

[keen river]

in few days there is going to be the aic event

[cunning obsidian]

packed crusts i'm making xiran comps cause artificing ate them all

[keen river]

and you probably will dump all the heavy xira to it

[ionic pollen]

precisely the idea

[keen river]

yeah, same plan for me

but im not stockpiling that much yet

[ionic pollen]

V4 is going to convert all that stuff into event items

[vale topaz]

use v4 hc battery instead.
1 sc + 2 v4 hc, a bit of pain of manual transfer, but worth it

[pulsar willow]

well that's your answer I think

[cunning obsidian]

making 6 heavy xan /m though thats 50/50ing into stockpiling fluid

[tall tangle]

you can import dense ori and occasionally swap it's use from crust to batteries

[pulsar willow]

that would do it too

[cunning obsidian]

my issue is just i was expecting to get away with just old stuff for a bit while made gear

[tacit quarry]

after min-maxing, I have tons of space left in main AIC

[cunning obsidian]

if my v4 base focused on making bats maybe

[ionic pollen]

i'm holding off on mixmax until the final wuling aic update comes out

[cunning obsidian]

my v4 is all in on meds

[ionic pollen]

i gotta know what the hc battery recipe is like

[pulsar willow]

a ton of hetonite

[cunning obsidian]

which works great but means no bats to transfer

[wispy wren]

nvm it is

[ionic pollen]

we're gonna need a lot of cuprium if anyone's gonna bother with hc then

[vale topaz]

owh : /
uhm you sure you need all those meds ?
i meant you can just use wuling basic jincao yanzhen powder.
also thx to new map, there's a bunch of grouped rare version of jincao and yanzhen.
with manual harvesting, should sustain your healing need.

also buck a/citrome a worth the same as battery, 70 stock trade

[ionic pollen]

or a better hetonite solution recipe

[cunning obsidian]

it was at the time one of the ideal solutions for clearing the outposts

24/m on med As

30/m lc valley

[vale topaz]

well, time to rework v4 into 18 hc

20 left over originium after 18 hc

[pulsar cypress]

[arctic cedar]

qq: did anyone start programming(or attempt to make) an optimal/compact layout finder?

[iron stratus]

that would probably take longer than just doing it through trial and error

[arctic cedar]

true, was wondering if anyone tried though

[fervent lodge]

the topology restrictions make it really hard to prevent local minima

well by my own cursory think

maybe there's a way but it goes into fields i have no knowledge of

it's topology + knot theory + packing

[arctic cedar]

yeah +1 on this, but was curious if anyone attempted at all

realistically humans have found true optimal X by Y blueprints for certain mats I'm assuming

[fervent lodge]

even like, learning optimal placements intuitively i can't put my finger on it algorithmically

maybe a diffusion model would be able to handle it

[fervent lodge]

kinda. but it's so many variables to consider too

power coverage, priority splitters, passthrough

the problem space is EVIL

[keen river]

i think only something like generic algorithm could handle this

but its super complex problem space for sure

especially if you want to include external restrictions

and its not super useful without them

also what do you even optimize against

area taken? but thats not super useful

[fervent lodge]

i tried to statically solve final state of a given factory and realized it can't be done

and instead did tick based emulation

[keen river]

isnt it just simple propagation algo on graph?

[fervent lodge]

nope

[arctic cedar]

^

huh

[keen river]

why not?

[fervent lodge]

loops, convergers and contention oscillation

[keen river]

that shouldnt be much of a problem

loops can be handled by propagation algo obviously

and if you arrive at unstable state thats really an user problem

[fervent lodge]

it resulted in a model that was wrong 5% of the time and by fixing 3% of that broke 9% of other stuff

[arctic cedar]

github repo? or not published

[fervent lodge]

yeah so I needed useful information out of that model

[ionic pollen]

undecidable?

[fervent lodge]

to tell the user

[fervent lodge]

backpressure propagation killed me

it was just sloshing back and forth and running beyond performance budget for iterations

on some closed loops

generally i also disliked how trying to do it statically makes it impossible to implement what the game actually does in terms of oscillators

and every single thing is an oscillator in this game

so the actual thing you need for accurate production reporting is stable interval of a signal

[keen river]

problem is that unless you rip the actual logic from game, its going to be some aproximation one way or another

especially with all the bugs

[fervent lodge]

just trying to number it doesn't work

[keen river]

like that jumping fluid someone posted earlier today

[fervent lodge]

well i can make an educated guess observing the behavior of the system

i'm putting what i have learned into v4 of my emulator now

one of the things i learned is that 0-length edges are resolved after >1 length ones

this is what drives converger prio

[fervent lodge]

i can invite you but it's buried in a commit somewhere, as i switched to the emulator fully

[arctic cedar]

Lots of new info haven't really thought of before, mostly just joined since I was about to take a crack at it but you guys seem to have looked a lot deeper lol

Not aware of emulator

[fervent lodge]

and now throwing the entire thing away in favor of a WASM one written in zig and as DDD as possible

[fervent lodge]

check pins

as for topology solver, i genuinely don't know where to even begin

i have graph resolution ofc, but an algorithm to condense that graph into small footprint... yike

[keen river]

no clue how to do it efficiently

the search space is massive and the restrictions propagate through

[fervent lodge]

and sometimes you have to step back like 5 decisions to find another layout that frees up a needed spot

[keen river]

and then there is a problem what you can even use

where can water etc come from

can depo be used or does it need ot be at side etc

[fervent lodge]

and tbh i would not enjoy writing and researching such a thing

it's like half of my enjoyment of the game itself

[keen river]

yeah

[ionic pollen]

It sounds like one of those exponential time problems

[fervent lodge]

not really
i do think a diffusion model with enough parameters could handle it

[keen river]

its a classic optimization algorithm, the problem input size itself isnt even too big

[fervent lodge]

it's just hellish to codify them

[keen river]

most of chains in game are only like 4-5 components deep and converge pretty fast

but every building has different size, some random restrictions like where pipe can be

belts randomly not taking whole building width or even restricted placement

[fervent lodge]

which port to use for outputs

how many based on recipe

whether to sacrifice power or footprint

depot passthrough

belt intersection rules

pipe layer

unfair round robin

priority flow

power coverage

[keen river]

yeah

well to be fair, its unlikely it would need to solve the stuff like random loops, only like one recipe uses those

[ionic pollen]

If we consider (types of placeable) * (number of tiles), you can get an upper bound on valid builds and verify if each thing is valid with a parallel setup.

[fervent lodge]

belts are splines

* rotations of buildings

[keen river]

rotations of buildings, relative buildings

but evne then you cant just directly connect them, sometimes you may need to loop the belt around or avoid clashing with other belt or pipe node

[fervent lodge]

means each belt cell is a branching evil snake of evil

[keen river]

heck, depending on layout

you may need more or less buildings even

[fervent lodge]

A* won't save you either kekw

[keen river]

like whenever you try to cram max efficiency from sandleaf shredder or use two of them etc

[frozen summit]

Have you guys ever finished a layout but forgot to leave space for pylons

[fervent lodge]

fucking mood

[solemn mural]

Can someone explain to me the point of the expanded reactor? sure it can handle more inputs, but it can only process one thing at a time? so wouldnt it be better to run multiple reactors for different outputs?

[ionic pollen]

There are 12 types of belt: turn left, turn right, move forward, in each cardinal direction.

[fervent lodge]

^

[ionic pollen]

The valid checking would be extreme but it's still finite.

[keen river]

you can trick it to do 3 recipes at time, so that -50 power used

and otherwise, it also saves space

[desert flame]

they all run simultaneously

[ionic pollen]

honestly, I find it better to do a bunch of cruicible stuff outside the aic area

[solemn mural]

Oh? its not like the standard one where it alternates back and forth between the two? Didnt know it could run them simultaneously

[keen river]

standard one can also run two at time

[valid gazelle]

you cant pass materials through conveyors into stuffs outside of the aic area

[ionic pollen]

but it's a good deal if you want fluids only

That's where my purifiers are

[valid gazelle]

but there's like.. 1 out of 8 formulas that doesnt require solid materials

[fervent lodge]

i still don't get why depots answer to the "all belt ports must be inside" heuristic but reactor doesn't

[solemn mural]

interesting, cause a while back when i was setting up my reactors, it would alternate between the inputs/outputs, so for max eff i did 2 reactors instead of 1

[keen river]

maybe you didnt have the tech unlocked?

not sure if it can do it before the tech is researched

[ionic pollen]

i use the outside aic area for fillers and separators I only need O(1) of.

like the hidden recipe unlocks

[fervent lodge]

it will also refuse if there are not enough slots for all ingredients and outcomes

[valid gazelle]

aight..

[solemn mural]

this was pre 1.2 when i last overhauled my factory, so if its a new 1.2 thing that makes sense

[valid gazelle]

what hidden recipe

the reactor has a hidden recipe ?

[ionic pollen]

those recipes that are hidden from you until you put the right mats in

[valid gazelle]

which one

[solemn mural]

i just unlocked al l the 1.2 stuff so im overhauling my factory again for all the new stuff

[ionic pollen]

Nonono fillers and separators have most hidden ones

[fervent lodge]

bumper rich

jincao to carbon

[valid gazelle]

oh ive been making fertilizer

if only we have something to automate ecofarm

which.. we dont

[fervent lodge]

i never touched ecofarm...

since originium science park

[ionic pollen]

i touched it for like 2 weeks then i abandoned it completely when i got the food unlocks

[fervent lodge]

i don't even know why food is needed yet

game too easy

maybe cc will force me

[pulsar willow]

I have another question!

[keen river]

well, gineseed helps with boss trimming

[ionic pollen]

You need food for completionism

[keen river]

if you dont have maxed team

ginseed is like 40-50% damage increase

[fervent lodge]

neat

[pulsar willow]

why isn't there a liquid supply unit? Is it hard to implement at all?

[tough berry]

sadly i thimk cc we cant use any food

[river wadi]

"fluid supply unit" is a thing

[pulsar willow]

genuinely curious

[tough berry]

like the hard mode of 1 forgot name event

[fervent lodge]

no, i felt it was pointless

[river wadi]

is that known

[pulsar willow]

question was about enka

[fervent lodge]

when inlets exist

[ionic pollen]

you mean like an oil well?

[fervent lodge]

and can count how much you're dumping

[keen river]

your base attack is like 510 and ginseed adds 180 to it and then you also get 11% crit on top of it

[pulsar willow]

https://enkad.enka.network/

[fervent lodge]

also also people kept putting it instead of pumps (fluid supply unit, it supplies fluid!) so i just removed it

[iron stratus]

maybe crit will someday have a point

[keen river]

it does on some operators

[ionic pollen]

pretty sure that thing doesn't support offsite buildings yeah

[pulsar willow]

yeah I understand now, thanks

[tough berry]

i think its normal knowledge for ak ppl we mostly thinking cc got this ban rn sp low regen dodge regen low no potion hp dowm enemy hp up defn atk down enemy hpdef up etc if want more easy cc info try see ak cc they mostly wont changes the ban list

[fervent lodge]

technically pumps

[ionic pollen]

so i can't tell it to pipe some inert effluent to an offsite purifier and another pipe to send the xirc eff back?

[fervent lodge]

via conduits you can

[keen river]

in particular, rossi gets a bonus from it and her weapon stacks with it

[fervent lodge]

they behave as depots tho

[keen river]

its pretty strong bu

[iron stratus]

ah rossi

[keen river]

we dont really have hard content really

[iron stratus]

she's forgettable

[fervent lodge]

really

[tough berry]

crit rn is 2 unit yovvone rossie

[keen river]

yeah, but yvonne only stacks to three so its not that super strong

i dont think either of bonuses have limit on rossi

[tough berry]

just wish they wont make cc beta hard in endfield both cc in beta stage in ak are truamatizing

[keen river]

i hope cc will allow us to bring consumables

the no-consumables mode is such ass

[tough berry]

its mostly ban list for more points

[iron spoke]

there's no meds that use hetonite bottles right?

[tough berry]

non yet

but 1.3 might have some

[keen river]

seem the weapon bonus only stacks to 16?

[tough berry]

3rd level potion might be hotnite bottle

[keen river]

ah yeah, its in the middle of description even

[pulsar willow]

yay I copied my main AIC to enka

[iron stratus]

im so close to fitting everything in my main pac i just need to fit ferrium powder production

[nimble topaz]

I love and hate how we don't get water pressure control for fluids. In one hand, more people could enjoy factory. on the other, I want different size pipes and valves 😭

[fervent lodge]

forgor to click passthrough outputs

[iron stratus]

nevermind i solved it

[tough berry]

theres one

just control port

[iron stratus]

i could fit xira comps there too now

[keen river]

i wish we had proper priority mergers and splitters

[tough berry]

but its only slows it down abit

[fervent lodge]

people are already losing their mind wrapping their head around 30/m belt 60/m pump 120/m pipe

have mercy on gacha players

[pulsar willow]

what's that?

[vale topaz]

almost like a throne room

[fervent lodge]

on reactor belts

[pulsar willow]

ah

okay

thanks

[tough berry]

may 14 plz come soon

i want my energy from cleaner

[fervent lodge]

le gourd

[keen river]

new map gonna throw a wrench into all calculations with more forges and resources

[solemn mural]

what would be considered the best use of the 6 forges? currently i have 4 making base xirinite, but now have heavy to deal with, and it takes 2 xirinite forges to for 1 heavy forge, plus batteries which takes two as well as the parts

[keen river]

makes me wonder how pure the nodes are

[fervent lodge]

it's 2 ori 2 cuprum iirc

[tough berry]

ame does that happens allways each ver update

[fervent lodge]

idk purity

[keen river]

yeah

[iron stratus]

7 xira 1 heavy

[keen river]

but not sure how pure

to be honest, 1.2 didnt alter my factory much

[solemn mural]

7 + 1? thats 8 and there is only 6...unless im missing something?

[fervent lodge]

same

[keen river]

i threw away the xircon makers from sc batteries but they remained essentially same

[iron stratus]

there are 8 forges

[keen river]

added two forges to outpost, placed rest of stuff in new outpost

[vivid walrus]

My yield for heavy xiranite is ONE per minute, despite having it like this

[iron stratus]

technically you only need 7 forges now though

[fervent lodge]

i moved all xira to outpost with 10forge in mind

[solemn mural]

ah....not sure where I got 6 then

[nimble topaz]

I know it's impractical in game design stand point, but imagine a product that needs high pressure input to start the reaction or one that degrades depending on how you transport it.

[fervent lodge]

based

liquid you can't pipe or it evaporates so you need to bottle it

[keen river]

sounds like factorio's Gleba without extra steps 😅

[iron stratus]

uranium factory

[fervent lodge]

tbh water purifier is kinda that

[vivid walrus]

How do I fix this? (Do not mind the clogged)

[iron stratus]

acetone

[fervent lodge]

you need full pipe pressure for full efficiency (4/2s)

[iron stratus]

you need two forges into it

[tough berry]

you need 2 xianite 1 liquid xianite

your design is 1 is to 1

[iron stratus]

your forge is also at half speed

you need two stabilized carbon

so technically 1.5/min not 1/min

[vivid walrus]

Are you saying I need DOUBLE the fucking ammount of it?