aic-factory

[dense wyvern]

Same.

[fervent lodge]

and accidentally clog the sewage and explode your base

this is the only setup i will accept
never dies
cannot die https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1495163039178031206/1495250351320862750/image.png?ex=69e6e168&is=69e58fe8&hm=b22413587b644b8e8f6b700c3cec0318e88662d9e786d909f4c7e8b82f588020&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[signal reef]

i mean if you know your ratios it's fine

[chrome shell]

2 expanded crucibles replacing 5 regular is a good deal

[fervent lodge]

it's not even about the ratios, it's about tick phasing
it only works if you're lucky

[wispy grove]

[signal reef]

i haven't encountered any issues with mine personally

[wispy grove]

im using this setup

[fervent lodge]

it's a 25% percent chance to footgun the sewage

[signal reef]

i left it running since i got it up that way on saturday

[distant wadi]

Can someone tell me how you guys get 90/min yield on Ferrium Ore on Wulling. I have all the mineral beds and only get 75/min yield

[dense wyvern]

As long as you reached the intended output just do whatever you want

[fervent lodge]

why do you still have the funnies 😭

or is that old screenshot

[wispy grove]

what? you removed it?

[static isle]

I bind my xircon to the SC fac itself so reworking is too much of a hassle to bother

[fervent lodge]

have you ever refreshed the page in the last 5 days...

[wispy grove]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[dense wyvern]

Check your Ferrium Mining again. Should be the area close to core AIC.

[wispy grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155849762420047974/1391768256372543609/Hifumi3.gif

no refreshing

[dense wyvern]

Could be something not plugged in.

[wispy grove]

its cute bro

[fervent lodge]

yeah very cute
and reactors are broken to hell 👍

[distant wadi]

I will do that again then

[fervent lodge]

dw we'll have more funnies in 1.3

[wispy grove]

if it works, dont fix it

[chrome shell]

I feel you, with all the retooling every version I modularized my blueprints. No more complete prints, more like single modules of sandflower or yazhen to xiranite

[static isle]

ye this setup use the one sandleaf line leftover from the 7th xira fac

[pastel rain]

any good blueprint (asia) for sc wuling but with extended crucible?

[chrome shell]

Less space efficient but should be easier to maintain longer term

[static isle]

the normal ver looks like this

[signal reef]

the intermediate material setups just kinda live forever fr

[wispy grove]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494938081357201508

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[signal reef]

you may need to upgrade your battery making or change to a different production or whatever

but sandleaf & xiranite is forever

lmao

[graceful otter]

real value is amount of saved batteries

[static isle]

PWM?

yeah I was doing that before

but I turn it off to rework shit
now I'm gonna turn it back on

[versed ermine]

i haven't checked the factory since update and i don't want to use blueprints
are we only making hetonite for the components and parts for our own use or are they any good for making credits over just ramping up the SC battery production

[jovial breach]

why is your heto parts only 1/m

oh

6/min syringe

[graceful otter]

i dont need gear that badly anyway

[jovial breach]

well never hurt to have component stockpile

[quasi locust]

i am tapping out for now, it's too complicated to sync so many signals at once for a bp that's useful for one patch, and integration hell is a full time job

[upper fiber]

how is the heavy not heavy no switch job doing

[quasi locust]

would love to see it work tho

[silent violet]

i mean i assume that it would be useful in the next too

we probably wont have perfect xiranite consumption ratios

[copper lily]

i don't understand this.
why do i use converger instead of belt?
it's not like it will change direction. right?

[upper fiber]

did you work out the belt one or pipe one

[jovial breach]

sensors and logic is too much for me

[wispy grove]

yeah it wont change

just use belt on that

[graceful otter]

never had those issue tho

[quasi locust]

yeah that's very likely, dev likes to throw bad ratio for engagement bait

[silent violet]

yeah and we getting an unknown amount of effluent back and its based on how much sewage you pump over there which will defnitely not be a clean number

[upper fiber]

if people not using the inert puri, that's 210/210

[silent violet]

was talking to hkrzs and it seems like he cracked the whole latch unlatch thing already tho

[chrome shell]

The main part for 2x expanded crucible should be this, 1 line of sewage into 2 crucibles, 1 line of ferrium into 2 as well, then combine the xircon. I'm getting a solid 12 SC WBs with this and the sewage isn't acting weird. But yea it does act weird if you feed a full line of sewage into 1 expanded crucible

[floral basin]

so since we have 8 sky forge i should be running 7 xira/1 heavy xira right?

[pastel rain]

thanks
copied, very good to trim protocol unit being 350/350

[quasi locust]

i see a bigger issue if we recover xircon from inert, that shit doesn't like to match ratio

[upper shell]

what will be the optimal output after accumulating enough of hetonite component. i see most guide still producing hetonite component

[wispy grove]

whats protocol unit?

[upper fiber]

another misinfo spreader gang

[tawny ravine]

I tried to be smart and make my factory myself but gave up halfway and copied blueprint

hard to make things compact

[spark hedge]

1 skyforge unuse

[chrome shell]

Wha

[marble yarrow]

aight more room

[upper fiber]

so many people using 1 line sewage per xircon and it is fine

[astral spruce]

tf

[static vector]

How many hydro miners can a pump run?

[wispy grove]

@fervent lodge is this fixed 10 or i can change the output?

[graceful otter]

are you talking about expanded?

[chrome shell]

It depends on how you set it up, if it's a dedicated plant then yea use the whole line

[keen river]

🤔 currently ,wuling doesnt produce enough stocks to buy all artificing mats each week right

[graceful otter]

i tried before it start clogging from conduits...

[silent violet]

u could just have a battery line only tp consume whatever xircon you produce

[keen river]

im short like 5m if i count right and there is no way to make that much from deliveries

[shell hinge]

Test area cannot come soon enough so we can get lvl 3 cardiac outpost. Rn we don't even have enough stock bills to buy the cheap engraving tickets

[remote cipher]

Do you guys think I can optimize this sc bat more

[fervent lodge]

it's throttled down

[wispy grove]

because?

[quasi locust]

true

[fervent lodge]

downstream clog

[silent violet]

it’s not strictly necessary to recycle all of the byproducts inside of the forge switching thing u can just make batts with the byproducts

[upper fiber]

did you guys input 2/s sewage to 1 expanded?

[pastel rain]

this

aic also counted so ysa

[marble yarrow]

"protocol capacity"

[nova pilot]

Sure ^-^

[graceful otter]

idk how fast is flow, 2 lines of cuprium for 4 xircon expanded reactors if that make sense

[vale topaz]

upside down almost mirror like, can fit another set of this in case future 24 LC or require 4 xircon

[wispy grove]

whuuut

[upper fiber]

yeah, 2 pipes from 2 refining cuprium, 1 to each expanded

[signal reef]

512 hard cap protocol gang?

[empty hawk]

how do i get rid of piss?

[upper fiber]

it is hc bat time

[upper fiber]

loop it back

drink it back

[valid gazelle]

yay ~ Please accept my gift of gratitude

[keen river]

you can just merge it with your input acid line

or you can just dump it back to the lake

[pastel rain]

nah, it just before to main aic too dense, tried some blueprint but yea, too much, can't place tower defense for aluvium because limit maxed

[true furnace]

Hmmmmmm

[valid gazelle]

man is stock piling strongbow

[quasi locust]

i can see that forge switches carbon/xiranite using prio belt, and controlling xircon eff reactor by controlling/cutting off its xiranite supply with a latch. the sewage part can be managed by routing excessive sewage to the reactor

[upper fiber]

how many puri unit to clear that...

[mortal hemlock]

how much facilities can one pump keep up? 2 or 3?

[valid gazelle]

2

if run at max efficiency

[upper fiber]

if reactor with 2 processes then 1

[silent violet]

yeah sewage supply shouldn’t be an issue ppl have made priority fluid flow work singe ages ago, can just use whatever would normally be going into treatment plants

[pulsar cypress]

2 for production facility
3-6 for mining rig (depending on ore purity)

[wispy grove]

oh i saw it, i only have 104

[pastel rain]

prob because less pylons and ziplines

and canons

[wispy grove]

no canons

[quasi locust]

do you have a solution for switching water and liquid xiranite? i was using bottles and latches but my latches weren't reliable

[silent violet]

ngl no i’m not even good at this kinda stuff it’s better if u talk to hkrzs cause he knows a lot more about logistic logic

[upper fiber]

control port still bugged right

[silent violet]

but it should be possible to match outputs and switch unpackager input

u can just have 1 unpackager for either water or effluent, whichever bottle it receives it unpackages

[marble yarrow]

i have an idea, what if, instead of depletion-reactive switching:

you will just determine a switching cycle, fixed, for both heavy and normal? like, for every 20 xiranite made, it will switch to making x number of heavy (means letting pairs of xiranite to forge)

[silent violet]

the switching itself takes some time so you want to switch as infrequently as possible

[quasi locust]

this was what i had. filling unit -> clogging sensor -> gate -> water separation

[silent violet]

why not just have 1 separator and vary the input bottle from bottled xira effluent to bottled water

[marble yarrow]

it would be just a gate system for filled bottles

[silent violet]

then it just becomes an item problem rather than a fluids problem

it would basically function in the same way as the switching from xira to stabilised carbon

[marble yarrow]

batching-something

[quasi locust]

yeah alternator is pretty valid too. i imagine it has a different challenge of matching xiranite production rate

[quasi locust]

good point

[silent violet]

i think the main challenge is making sure there is no leftover after the switch

the fluid switching has been solved before and the latch has been solved

[signal reef]

there's also heavy xiranite needing 10s to make vs xiranite's 2

so when you switch to xiranite with only 2 carbon & 1 water when there's 10s of production time inside the forge

[silent violet]

has to be clean multiples of full ratios

[marble yarrow]

aight, this is doable. i can imagine the gameplan

[quasi locust]

seems like the challenge of getting 5 liquid xiranite at once can be addressed by bottling them

[marble yarrow]

this is way easier than auto-switch

tho idk if the variable gate system would now work offline, i last tried it in 1.0

[silent violet]

yeah the fluid qection isn’t really an issue if u can solve the item section

[unreal marsh]

This is comically slow

[silent violet]

u meet to figure out how to send 10 xiranite batches

and if u can figure that out u can apply the same to sending batches of 5 bottled xircon eff

[marble yarrow]

yeah i have a specific quantity batcher

[quasi locust]

i am behind on batches. how does it work?

[silent violet]

it needs to be 2 batches of 5 btw

[subtle finch]

i just pointed out the problem with alternator earlier
you're not really crafting 1:1 of both recipes, what will happen when you ran out of the other

[marble yarrow]

burst belts

[signal reef]

the overall mats are kinda the same

actually no wait

[silent violet]

but hkrzs told me that doubling output of a belt by matching its output with a source is possible

[signal reef]

it's more like 66% 33%

or 75% 25%

[sleek hinge]

Is there a reason why actual yield for factory is so much lower than theoretical yield

[subtle finch]

and i was scared this would be a possibility before
but we now have a unit with different production speed based on recipe
how would an alternator deal with that

[silent violet]

so u just need to create a belt that will output xira and when the latch closes it will always stop on a multiple of 5

stab carbon will never have excess left over since each recipe is 1 per input belt

[subtle finch]

is that automatic?

[sleek hinge]

Theoretical yield for originium ore is 430, but actual yield is 380

[signal reef]

you can't really overcome the 8s of downtime switching from heavy back to xira itself

[red hare]

is there a way to get rid of excess water from the factory?

[signal reef]

and then switching back to heavy

there is some minimal clogging each time

[quasi locust]

yeah. i can't tell between clogging sensor or alternator, which one is more reasonable to implement. both are a good improvement over 2 days/0.5 days of manual switching tho

[silent violet]

i had an idea to calibrate an item belt loop that will only allow the latch activation trigger to happen at a specific point in the period of the system idk if that will work

[marble yarrow]

its a cyclic batch belt, i know you already saw this back then

basically you can customize empty belts where in items can queue

[winter rune]

just chill and wait for Test Site expansion, they'll give us more cuprium/ferrium trust

[silent violet]

might be worth creating a thread for these discussions so it won’t be lost to the sands of aic general chat

[subtle finch]

im still team clog switch for now, less need to switch recipe, less chance for downtime accumulating

algo made an aic-theorycrafting channel on their server

[quasi locust]

i can see alternator working using batches. i can't believe after pwm, we are doing duty cycles now

[silent violet]

yeah but just to consolidate like we did with the pwm thing a while back

[winter rune]

oh ya we don't have auto defense for Marker Stone Outpost?

[fervent lodge]

nop

[fervent lodge]

no full auto in buildings

[quasi locust]

i can see using one batch to control the switching of the alternator system, and matching the xiranite consumption rate with duty cycles

[sonic summit]

guys is conduit manifold still only transfer 2/ sec liquid? or is the capacity double?

can we transfer 4 pump worth of liquid?

[strong quiver]

fricking hell

after some adjustment and moving the water recycling unit out

i finally

[subtle finch]

i got it working with 10 with much trial and error, then it broke upon relogging

[strong quiver]

made it not reaching the piper/ belt cap of the region

[marble yarrow]

BUHH

[strong quiver]

pretty sure i can't build anything else in that region now

lma[

[merry wagon]

it's basically just 2 conduits side-by-side so

one pipe still accomodates 2 pumps max

[merry wagon]

[strong quiver]

i swear if they just let us

control the exit of the purification unit

this performance bottleneck would'nt have happened

alas

[sonic summit]

no, what i ask is if the transfer between conduits still caped at 2/s liquid or is increased with it the double input didnt matter if the internal transfer still use same conduit transfer worth

[nova lodge]

transfer rate for new conduits remains the same.
just bigger storage and more input / output ports.

while still consuming 1 protocol capacity per conduit + slightly less space consumed overall.

[sonic summit]

btw can we start dumping sewage or it still impossible?
thinking of using this 40k pool to hold sewage for when massive porification plant open next month

[nova lodge]

try bottling some sewage and put it into the fluid dispenser.
hadn't tried myself, so not sure.

[nova lodge]

^ and there you have it

you can dump acids into the 40k pool instead if you want :3

[sonic summit]

but if its only transfer 2 pump worth of liquid it didnt matter much between single and manifold beside internal storage

[signal reef]

it's one of those weird things where you thought you could

because there's those sewage pools

and there'll be more of those things in the upcoming area too

[sonic summit]

nah already fill it with yashen solution

[pulsar cypress]

Sewage is more dangerous than acid liquid..

[sonic summit]

xiranite?

[nova lodge]

acid bettah :3
put acid ;3

takes damage from dipping inside it ;3

--
dats algae

[tall tangle]

life supply of swamp juice

[frank sun]

it looks like a pool of battery acid-

[sonic summit]

mean while this one heals

[nova lodge]

acid did the same amount of damage as its healing counterpart.
135 exactly ;v

[pulsar cypress]

Wonder.. It heal when u dib inside..
But did the volume also decrease?
Never try one..

[nova lodge]

doubt :v

[sonic summit]

its not, you can still drown inside though

[pulsar cypress]

Oh.. I thought its like u drink it..

[sonic summit]

now i need to drain it

[pulsar cypress]

[nova lodge]

imagine dumping liquid heavy xiranite in there.....that did be hella costly

[pulsar cypress]

Drain to production?
Or can dump to any water pool?

[vale topaz]

kek, you guys are correct, efficient hetonite require 240 cuprium powder

[sonic summit]

can dump it, i just want to switch liquid

[nova lodge]

just did a quick setup for hetonite component production.....will boom the base later.

[pulsar cypress]

Oh, its easier if can dump anywhere..

[copper lily]

is 5880 power usage too much?

[sonic summit]

yeep mine still 4,7k

[vale topaz]

my hetonite line

[pulsar cypress]

Anything that cost more than 1 sc is too much..
*jk

[vale topaz]

4,4k , but not doing the 8th forge, so only 7 forges

[brittle cove]

Any real use/need to deploy an 8th Forge of the Sky?
Aside from just making spare Xiranite, I don't see much use since you can't make xiranite and heavy xiranite with the same forge

[pulsar cypress]

Make xiranite.. Transform to battery..

[chrome shell]

I use the last one for artificing components

[copper lily]

no wonder mine always out when changing to 2/minute battery.
probably because i fill mortars electricity directly from AIC.

[sonic summit]

oh is doing making some yashen still the most profitable?

[vale topaz]

uhh just me being stubborn, i guess....

[pulsar cypress]

°-°)b
Less headache..

[half maple]

Is there any way to mirror the placement of the blueprint

[pulsar cypress]

Nop.. Just give up and rotate instead..

[half maple]

Damn alr

[copper lily]

you can't mirror machine

[sonic summit]

meanwhile i only use 1 SC,only made hetonite and manual transfer HC valley cus i got too many there

[pulsar cypress]

Same..

[twilit iron]

GODDAMNIT

imma have to reestructure my entire factory

[copper lily]

it'll out eventually

[tall tangle]

importing batteries? arent they like 50 point or something stupid like this?

[signal reef]

no we're stupid

we do manual transfers

[nova lodge]

manual transfer i guess....takes a while though.

[pulsar cypress]

*nothing to do behavior.. Manual bag transfer..

[signal reef]

took me 4.5/min before my HC v4 stocks actually start to drain

[sonic summit]

already did yesterday, took me 10 hour

[marble yarrow]

department of energy doesnt approve power beyond 5k

[trail fulcrum]

Any idea how to get some decent heavy xiranite & new comp manufacturing going w/o compromising syringes and esp batteries too much? Can you recommend a facility ratio to me?

[sonic summit]

oh how to get that low on energy mine 4,7

[copper lily]

[sonic summit]

man i love free efluent for heavy xira

[pulsar cypress]

Just removed 2 copium refined output from syrA, give to heto..

So 4 copium output for heto items
And 2 copium output syrA (3/m)

It will take like 15 ferrium from medC also

The rest is the same..

Like mine..

The 2 on left is from syringe A..

[vapid dock]

make sure to include horizontal rotate in the next survey

[tribal crescent]

oh right

i can use spare 30 xira/min for bottling

[sonic summit]

man if only i got 1 more piping for other liquid output wasting some space here

[tribal crescent]

one can never run out of green water

[static isle]

did I overcook

[nova lodge]

make sure to allow us to connect conduits via top down view without needing to exit it every d*** time.

[vapid dock]

it took years for factorio to implement flipping for those oil refineries

that too

[chrome shell]

Just reduce the sewage input if sewage is clogging it

[sonic summit]

or just make 22,5 hetonite

[tribal crescent]

nah

i am also making yazhen A

[sonic summit]

@marble yarrow is it better to make 3/m yashen a or is it the same ?too 22,5

[twilit iron]

GADAYUM

[vapid dock]

yazhen syringe is slightly less bills per cuprium compared to hetonite

[tribal crescent]

no way

real

ok time to make full hetonite

[vapid dock]

it doesnt matter, building either still results in excess bills

[ornate sorrel]

are you kidding me
i obsessively checked back into the game again
because im like
i have a factory itch i want to speculate a little
and then it turns out I DID FUCKED UP SOMETHING
that caused my facotry to stop
why am i justified to be paranoid about this omg

[pulsar cypress]

Iirc haru count.. No matter the ratio, the bill output same..

[marble yarrow]

any cuprium usage, as long as the extra ferrium is used, total bill output is same

[stiff wind]

quick question: where can I find the blueprint for delayed power battery consumption?

[tender thistle]

Damn!

I'm at like 4675 with 58 ziplines and 10 sprinklers on ecofarm

What are you making?

[vale topaz]

still wondering how the sewage will work if we use 1 expanded crucible for xircon, sure the xircon rate is 15/min
but will the sewage clogged : /

[pulsar cypress]

Use website "dige cn" to create the bp based on ur need.

[sonic summit]

btw what good usage of hetonite output ? all in gearing ? or half gearing half selling?

[stiff wind]

I saw a blueprint ready to use somewhere, if u have please share

[marble yarrow]

12 SC
1.667 LC
4.5 Hetonite parts
30 extra xiranite

25 ziplines for delivery
all turrets (3 essences) have their own battery
no sprinkler

[tawny bear]

never abandon ur factory dawg look at this

[sonic summit]

you use 1 extra expanded crucible just to make effluent to support it

[vapid dock]

minimum for xircon is 2 expanded crucibles because the effluent input needed is 1/m, one crucible only produces 0.5/m

[pulsar cypress]

Dont have any, coz the total energy needed always change base on factory redesign.
Need to always readjust the timing.
Using dige to generate new one.

[sonic summit]

so the other one that make xircon can self sustain sewage @vale topaz

[ornate sorrel]

okay i think i have an idea on what to do with the extra forge but to sum it up

it's going to be ass

[vale topaz]

hmm.... look dangerous, i'll stay with 2 ex crucible + 1 normal crucible for now. Don't have energy to continue experimenting....

[sonic summit]

here my setup named

[vale topaz]

really hate this multi bridges ._.

[trail fulcrum]

Ok will do, thanks a ton!

[tardy needle]

anyone have a 15/min or higher sc battery blueprint? it’s ok if it cant make any hetonite! i do not need anymore currently

[tender thistle]

Nice

I'm making 13.25? SC bats
0.5 xiranite comps, 0.5 cuprium comps, and converting all my hetonite to components for now

Is there going to be some sort of event that requires us to use hetomite?

[marble yarrow]

yes. hetonite, xiranite, and heavy xiranite are all used

[sonic summit]

i do 12 sc here

[vale topaz]

maybe some other time.
tried this one yesterday or 2 days ago, it didn't work well enough.....

[tardy needle]

oh ok thx mine at 12 also 🥺

[sonic summit]

oh because you need to jumpstart your 2 xircon maker with sewage before you made input the product

[sonic summit]

nope you can only do 12 sc max rn maybe 13, 5

[tardy needle]

dang ok thx

[tardy needle]

where can i find 13.5

[sonic summit]

wait let me check

[tardy needle]

oke

[pulsar cypress]

Do 15.. Turn off sc v4 battery..
Normal transfer the originium and ferrium..

[ornate sorrel]

What to do with extra xiranite forge:

1. Hoard max amount of purple bottle and transfer to Wuling
2. Develop 2 modes: Xiranite mode and Heavy Xiranite mode
3. Xiranite mode:set up a Xiranite water -> Sewage setup (Sewage will be directly split from cuprium while sending the other half back to water treatment, that way, it'll never clog up even if it reaches max. Pack Xircon Effluent em em into purple bottles until it clogs
4. Heavy Xiranite mode unpack purple bottles run half speedn heavy xiranite until purple bottle stashed Xircon Effluent runs out.

[tender thistle]

I have 10k hetonite stashed, hope that's enough x_x

[sonic summit]

you bottle necked by originium ore unless you manual transfer it yourself @tardy needle

[midnight helm]

or make a 1.(6) LC battery line for comfy power reserves

[tardy needle]

cry

[marble yarrow]

i think so, just ramp it up when needed

my shi

[tardy needle]

i could do that maybe depending on how often

like if its not every 3 hours

maybe 12 hrs fine

[atomic fiber]

i did it... i set up extended crucible for the 25/min dense orig powder... that further being used for heavy xiranite with purifier unit

i hate this new factory

[sonic summit]

its 120 difference though maybe about 4~6 hour at 50k saving

[tardy needle]

lol

i just want to sell all sc battery

but maybe i just stick to 12 for less ehadache

[pulsar cypress]

My suggestion is u craft the brown sugar cube in v4 first..
So u only manual tf already in brown cube shape..
Less time and less often to do manual tf..

[vale topaz]

soon or later , we need a search function for depot unloader or aic output.
or those item icons need to be reduced, so many scrolling just to fine what we want to output....

[tardy needle]

cant keep up production even if i spend 0 sc battery in wuling for myself

[stark needle]

hey guys, is 2-3 hetonite components / min ideal?

[atomic fiber]

they fcking make things so tight

[tardy needle]

yea they want us to feel production fomo

lol

[ornate sorrel]

is this a really stupid idea or nah

[midnight helm]

1.5 might be more than enough

[vapid granite]

Theoretically speaking, if all these materials were all maxxed out in inventory, how would i continue to gain Waste ? Would i just hav eto keep crafting shit?

[sonic summit]

i already did that with my spare20/ sec originium left on valley

[vale topaz]

only 2 rows per screen.... need search function or those icons need size reduction or the window should be bigger

[tardy needle]

i stashed 80k sc battery before patch but i dun think it will last until 1.3 since patch is more than 40 days

[pulsar cypress]

Any that u like/u want..

[stark needle]

i see, i just wanna max artifice fangyi asap

[tardy needle]

current version*

[pulsar cypress]

XD me also did that in v4..

[sonic summit]

you can stash 138k if you use wuling storage too

[midnight helm]

you just need enough to craft the piece, artificing can use lesser gears from 1.0

[tardy needle]

ya it slowly disappearing

shame on u 1.2

[stark needle]

i see tahts a good idea

[sonic summit]

well i use 1 sc and 2 valley bat as power so i am saving battery also made 2/min LC

[tardy needle]

yea i use hc also

bricked game

[pulsar cypress]

1sc + 2 pwm vbat also..
XD
12 sc/6lc production

[tall tangle]

yes, sell items, get more waste

[vapid granite]

are you tryna fight

[sonic summit]

tbh mine is not maxed 6/ sec LC even with valley 4 originium suppy
is because i share the xira for lc battery with my oscilating 0,75 cuprium and xiranite component maker

[twilit iron]

right so, im trying to rebuild my Core AIC area, and what is recommended? Set up the BUS in the middle or on the sides?

[vapid dock]

You need to sell end products to the outpost to prevent capping out the depo
If its sc batteries thats full you can void it by putting it in thermal banks

[sharp pawn]

Quick question do you still need xranite components as of rn cause I have a lot of it?

[smoky eagle]

is hetonite really meant to be this slow?

[sonic summit]

make 6 xira maker (forge)first in 1 side cus that techically didnt need any bus all self made with farm unit

[tall tangle]

thats how it is whether you like it or not. waste stops when crafting does

[twilit iron]

i mean, my COre AIC is a mess

with lots of unused space

at least 60%

[pulsar cypress]

Me also.. But me rotate for optimal batt consumption..
Like today lc bat on.. Comp off..
Tomorrow switch bat off, cube refill..
comp on..

[sonic summit]

that a mess?

[twilit iron]

i mean, it works

[brittle cove]

Mine isn't terribly space efficient but it is modular by design, lemme know what y'all think about my New Xircon and Hetonite Factories

[supple sierra]

my game crashed while playing etchspace salvage what will happen to my progress?

[sonic summit]

LET ME introduce what a mess is : 5 hour worth of making

[brittle cove]

We don't have enough Cuprium to run it at 100% right now, best we can do is 75% efficient (6 reactors)

[smoky eagle]

this is so dumb it needs 4 >.<

lmaooo

[twilit iron]

i need to reestructure mine to produce Xircon FUCK

[twilit iron]

its not that dumb, it works rofl

i will restructure the other zones first

[sonic summit]

use mine,you get bonus effluent from inert to make heavy xiranite

[smoky eagle]

that means i need 4 reactor crucibles for each purification unit right??

i thought 2 purifications did fine with 2 ports inputted

[tall tangle]

its dumb because you cant have 1:1 as of now, not because it doesnt work

[sonic summit]

yeah need 4 cuprium output for 1 purification, you can swap 1 reactor with extended to do double duty of making cuprium and hetonite though

[twilit iron]

y brain hurts

[bleak wedge]

After creating an entire maze of pipes like this, I still don’t fully understand how my Ex-curcible can run on its own. But as a wise man once said, if it works, don’t touch it.

[sonic summit]

what you dont understand ? i can explain it, my setup works in pair of using 2 extended crucible to make a xircon

[sharp pawn]

Just wondering

Pls help

[sonic summit]

i have 20k each and still making it

[vapid dock]

its subjective, because how much you need depends on how often you artifice that needs xiranite components

[smoky eagle]

beautiful setup, thanks

[twilit iron]

its just that im trying to rework my second sub pac

[static isle]

5 star pasta

[tall tangle]

my policy is to have components capped and dont worry

[twilit iron]

im trying to understand if its better to set up the BUS on the side or in the middle

[sonic summit]

mine on middle but bit to side cus you can set 2 bus on main core right?

[static isle]

did I overcook

[vapid dock]

wherever, there's more than enough space that hypercompact builds aren't that needed

[twilit iron]

this time im on the new sub PAC

im trying to set up the xircon production there

[sonic summit]

the gearing is abit wierd tbh

[twilit iron]

at least before i rework the core AIC area

[static isle]

how
it's 1/1 working half speed
normal

[tall tangle]

it seems fine, but it hurts to look because colors

[static isle]

ugh fine
this just look washed out to me

[sonic summit]

right ... no you fine its just you will make too much cuprium component there without a switch to turn it off

[tall tangle]

here. better not do that

[static isle]

it's cuprium gear and heronite parts
those shit ain't clogging anytime soon

[tall tangle]

it's up to you

[sonic summit]

how much you will make cuprium tbh ?

[tall tangle]

eventually it'll be:

[sonic summit]

[smoky eagle]

this thing is trolling me

[dusk idol]

why this is not working guys

[smoky eagle]

Locked?

[vapid dock]

research

[vale topaz]

once done with reworking all of my alluvium with mortar / acid / laser, will scrap the yazhan A production

[digital vessel]

does anybody have a website that lays product chains with the needed amounts out in one image? I want to put it up as a refrence on my second screen and was hoping I wouldn't have to make a compound image.

[dusk idol]

what do u mean

[keen river]

you need to research crucibe expansion tech

[vapid dock]

expanded inventory for crucibles is in the tech tree

[smoky eagle]

this shit's a mess...

[dusk idol]

got it

tksm

[static isle]

better?

[vale topaz]

tidying empty space and power tower.

[autumn current]

give me code for this please

[tall tangle]

sure . i mean you didnt have to if you said it was under control

[autumn current]

I RLLY NEED THAT

MY PRODUCTION PER MINIUTE FOR THAT IS 0.6

PLEASSEE

[vapid dock]

what region r u

[autumn current]

like in wuling?

[vapid dock]

server region

[autumn current]

asia

[vale topaz]

tidying tower placement

[vapid dock]

EFO019aEuOU895e6O5uI2

[autumn current]

ty

[vapid dock]

just dump the byproduct acid back to the acid pool

[vale topaz]

can duplicate existing 2 xircon + 1 heavy xir for future use if required.

[dim spire]

Did someone find a more efficient way to create Xircon at 30/min?

[sonic summit]

wait isnt cuprium limit is 180 instead 240?

[vapid dock]

it is

and it doesn't matter, system will balance itself out

[sonic summit]

how about 60/ min xircon for 4 extended crucible, you get free efluent on side from 4 inert output

[dim spire]

That is one way true

[fervent lodge]

#1495163039178031206 does this count

[vapid dock]

this is the minimal circuit for xircon

[fervent lodge]

set output item so it at least solves correctly heh

[twilit iron]

right, just made my new batteries, time to go to the Core AIC and reestructure everything

[vapid dock]

nah

[vapid granite]

So the expanded crucible, is it like if i make this blood liquid up top, purify it, i can rotate a pipe back into here and create hetonite?

[vale topaz]

yes, backfeed from purification unit

[twilit iron]

but i dont think it will be doing at an optimal way so

[sonic summit]

yes

[vapid granite]

Any way to make this more optimally faster?

[tall tangle]

if you have 4 reactors with blood, you can purify 4 blood into 1 strawberry and use 1 of those reactors for it

[vale topaz]

not efficient yet because the backfeed only feed 1 hetonite liquid, hetonite require 2 liquid.
we lack another 60 / m cuprium mining

[sonic summit]

nope 1 crucible can only do 2/ sec reaction

[twilit iron]

MAAAN i love and hate this game

[vapid granite]

Im this close to quitting cause of factory but not really

[vale topaz]

this is just an example, other have better compact model

[tall tangle]

it's visually comforting 👍

[twilit iron]

ANYWAY

[digital vessel]

just starting out ith the new factory building, which product is the expanded reactor good for? it just seems kinda unesseary so far

[twilit iron]

are the factory zones squares? If so, how many smaller squares it has in a A x B?

[vapid granite]

What if i had two crucibles pumping blood into the purifier

[sonic summit]

because of that i can do crazy oscillating liquid input in 1 extended crucible

[ancient charm]

everytime I look at it its extremely satisfying

[sonic summit]

you can go for 4 at once tbh but rn maxed is 6 rector

[vapid granite]

i bet half of those was just you filling the gaps with random shit

[vale topaz]

i've seen others also feed chain acid rather the old way of 1 conduit splitter into 2 machines.

[ancient charm]

its the whole thing except het production

[twilit iron]

i just wish we could connect the structures side by side without the pipes and conveyors

[vapid granite]

The fuck do i do with acid when i purifier it

[ancient charm]

dump back into the pool

[sonic summit]

1 pipe can suport 4 building worth of liquid

[vapid granite]

figures

[vale topaz]

personally, will dump it back to the pool, others might backfeed it

[ancient charm]

backfeed potentially causes clogs

[sonic summit]

or just reinput it to the reactors

[vapid granite]

uuuahhhHAHHHHHHH thinking about all this backtracking and mathing whats available from my other factories is pissing me off

im just gonna create an inefficient version first so I can see the whole picture then redo it later

[marsh moth]

Hey do the conduits have a 2 second delay when transferring liquids cuz my system should be producing 5 xircon effluent in 10 secs but its not

[vale topaz]

guess i'll try this some other time, with this acid line

[sonic summit]

wait...is this thing still only transfering 2/s liquid ?

fakin useless if true

[ancient charm]

4/s now

but has to be same liquid unfortunately

[sonic summit]

OH Then it was good enough

[keen river]

should be 4/s. but it will show 2/s if you connect it to a normal conduit

i wish you could connect it to two conduits tbh

[sonic summit]

oh

[vale topaz]

huh ? the double can connect to normal version ? thought only able to connect to the other double version

[vapid granite]

I need FIVE???

[keen river]

nah, it connects to normal version just fine

[vale topaz]

yes

[ancient charm]

you produce 22.5 I think

[sonic summit]

at least the gearing need 2 instead of 5

[marsh moth]

Hey is it true that you need to set up like 8 crucibles in order to make hedonite parts efficiently?

[sonic summit]

yes but at max rn is 6

[vale topaz]

and 2 purification unit

[marsh moth]

Yeah each purification unit attached to 4 crucibles

[sonic summit]

maybe we can just transfer sewage to massive purification liquid to get some effluent back in new map later

[marsh moth]

Seeing my system keep jamming is irritating me

[marsh moth]

I wish there was a method of storing liquids in the protocol storage

[vale topaz]

for a total of 550 power usage , not counting the fitting unit or the pump or the sewage treatment

[nova pilot]

What happens if we dump it in a clear water stream, will it become all sewage?

[south oasis]

i forgor

[shadow void]

Someone explain to me why we don't have priority merger/splitters pipes and belts

[keen river]

rip

[sonic summit]

denied

[keen river]

time to smack some boxes if you dont have batteries stockpiled

[vapid granite]

Aight chat i fucking did it i made my thing hetonite component

[vapid dock]

We havent unlocked caterium yet and researched it in the mam tree

[sonic summit]

make 4 cuprium input for effective 15/ m hetonite

[shadow void]

LOL

[shadow void]

Man this is gonna be running dry as a bone

[vale topaz]

my manual feed hetonite comp, because i want to prioritize mortar 1st.

[vapid granite]

This shits goin great

[sonic summit]

oh we will just get water version of one of these surely it will be an easy addiction

[shadow void]

as long as your are producing, thats all that matters

[vale topaz]

Nuuuuu , more chain byproduct !!! more treatment !!!! more power hungry process !!!!

[sonic summit]

i want to make some bottle for collection purposes

[shadow void]

More bottles you'll never need!!!!! (Cryston Bottles, I'm stareing at you)

[nova pilot]

More Units Less Resources 🥀

[wispy crane]

we cant metastorage cuprium now?

[vale topaz]

what in the name of splitter/bridge/converger is that. x_X

[sonic summit]

nah the new map will surely give use more mines

[shadow void]

You know that new component they just added, well guess what, you can only run the facility that makes it at half speed

[vapid dock]

The new map does have cuprium mines

[shadow void]

2 mines, 4 nodes, not enough

[vale topaz]

no, meta storage is not available yet for wuling

[nova pilot]

180/m

[vale topaz]

unless the UI is just for temporary, we might get beyond lvl 12 region lvl for wuling

[shadow void]

No transfer, even tho transfer unlocks at lvl 8 in V4

[vapid dock]

The unreleased one I mean

[nova pilot]

I wanna run 12/m Yazhen S A like Valley IV

[shadow void]

we will, still a region to unlock in the future

[vale topaz]

in b4 suddenly mortar Mk2

[sonic summit]

a this /sec spliter?

[vapid dock]

And when the new area unlocks it might also increase development lv which could possibly be another purity buff

[shadow void]

Is Wuling just a back water town compared to Valley IV, why no Transfer even thow Wuling is Development level 12

[vale topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-npc-processing-processing-npc-processing-npc-thinking-gif-18378041742925308956

[wispy crane]

well, its suck, the math doesnt work, need 8 shreding unit for cuprium while the mines only enough for 6 shreding

[glossy sequoia]

i have checked formule but couldnt find how to seperate xiranite from liquid xiranite. is it even possible ?

[dim spire]

I am still waiting to see ferrium go up to 240/min

[sonic summit]

its just 30 divided bt 2^9 oh wait there some 3 in there

[vale topaz]

if i do that, i'll hit 512 deployment limit.....

[nova pilot]

Imagine being able to send Cuprium to V4 then back to Wuling

[shadow void]

can't do anything related to fluids in V4 🙁

[vale topaz]

.... if meta transfer available for wuling, i'll just use it for the hetonite component instead.

[vapid granite]

Its been 10 minutes bro this shit is so fire already

[shadow void]

theres water in the quarry and the power plataeu tho

[nova pilot]

Ohh I thought you'll be able to choose the Cuprium option as long as you have some stock in Valley IV, welp

[digital vessel]

Somebody stole my reactor inlet, can't have shit in Wuling

[vale topaz]

or meta transfer bottled heavy xiranite if next region still require anti light spray

[shadow void]

gotta pump thos numbers up

[sick basin]

What does this even mean?
You cant turn liquid xiranite back into just xiranite if thats what youre askin

[rare moon]

do i just work with 15/min hetonite

[sonic summit]

someone make a zip here.. how ?

[fervent lodge]

the way camera looks at it ominously when you up that cliff

there must be a quest to go there lmao

is there?

[vale topaz]

is laevatain / yvonne jump bug still abuse able ?

[sonic summit]

DUNNO never try it even when i got both

[vale topaz]

i don't have yvonne....

[glossy sequoia]

hi. i have one more question liquid heavy xiranite spray works the same as normal xiranite spray right ? its pretty much universal aganist blight right ?

[vapid granite]

dw that will be me next month

[tall tangle]

probably some building catapult tricks

[glossy sequoia]

heard it got patched

[dim spire]

So do you

[vale topaz]

time to rest.... hope can spam mortar tomorrow

[sick basin]

No
Heavy liquid xiranite clears way more, and we got introduced to some special blue blight that can only be cleared by using heavy liquid xira

[vapid dock]

Patched iirc, but there new tech anyway

[glossy sequoia]

thx, guess i gotta empty my 1k liquid bottles and refill them with liquid heavy xiranite. all that liquid xiranite gone to waste. thx for answering

[ornate sorrel]

is my theorycraft feasible or nah not really?
What to do with extra xiranite forge:

1. Hoard max amount of purple bottle and transfer to Wuling
2. Develop 2 modes: Xiranite mode and Heavy Xiranite mode
3. Xiranite mode:set up a Xiranite water -> Sewage setup (Sewage will be directly split from cuprium while sending the other half back to water treatment, that way, it'll never clog up even if it reaches max. Pack Xircon Effluent em em into purple bottles until it clogs from fulling the storage with purple bottles
4. Heavy Xiranite mode unpack purple bottles run half speedn heavy xiranite until purple bottle stashed Xircon Effluent runs out.
5. move Forge of the Sky between Xiranite production and Heavy Xiranite Production whenever you want to switch modes (need to drain water and remove item though)

[vapid dock]

For example (game will evict you if you try to go any further though)

[ornate sorrel]

wait the Test Area is in the game data already?

atp i might as well ask for dataminers damn

[sick basin]

U can literaly see it bro

Just look outside monitoring center
Map is therr

[sick basin]

Ohh mushroomz

Nope, no self promoting
Shoo

[vapid granite]

AAlright i built my weak ass factory, time to destroy it and reset it again

[tame crow]

thats 100% a bot/scam

[shadow void]

#1494923383408820404 message

[tame crow]

oh hey, at least they nuked the second one already

[shadow void]

wheres the entrance to that

[vapid dock]

Its blocked

[shadow void]

but where

[trail fulcrum]

Is this a good blueprint for the new mats?

[shadow void]

works for me

I use Leanders bps

[vapid dock]

Right side of wuling

[trail fulcrum]

I can’t find the master post that’s why I’m asking xD

It teleports me to a cat meme xD

[orchid pilot]

I wonder if this is left over from when that area was full of blight

[shadow void]

2x 6/m SC batteries, his Heto BP, and the 7 in one SUB from the 8 Forge 1 SUB bp page

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494923383408820404

[ornate sorrel]

I know

[shadow void]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1465512615898779810

[ornate sorrel]

That this is me blaming a video game for my self control issue when it comes into my inability to stop myself from coming up with stupid ideas

[leaden drift]

But I want to keep 10 sc batteries

Lol

Ill figure it out

[tame crow]

does anyone have a picture of our current most efficient AIC output?
i feel like mine is doing pretty well and wanna know, if its worth to rebuild for 1.2 part 1 or just wait for test area

[ornate sorrel]

But sometimes i kinda wish that the game just have their factory numbers wnd at satisfying numbers??

[shadow void]

GGs ppl using 3 SC bats

[ornate sorrel]

Im ranting a bit but like

I caved into so much factory optimization ideas today

[regal horizon]

whats the most efficient factory rn?

[shadow void]

If you make Heto Comps, you'll need to cut Yazhen A out

[ornate sorrel]

One of it is the extra forge situation where the ideal build leaves you with one extra forge rn

And ngl

I kinda wish we had 7 xiranite forge instead of 8??

[split yoke]

this is how i realize i needed 2 xiranite inputs per crucible lol

T-T

[shadow void]

Bascially 1.2 tranitions the Yazhen A, to a mix of Heto Parts/Comps, Yazhen C, and Hvy Xiranite

[ornate sorrel]

Just the annoyance of me caving into tryibg ti find a way to sokve that extra forge like god

[shadow void]

you can sell the Heto Parts and Hvy Xiranite

[tame crow]

is it more efficient for stock bills to make hetonite parts?
cause im done with gear already and have enough for next units as well

[shadow void]

along with the 12/m SC bats

I dunno about efficency, i'm not that into the weeds

[rugged gulch]

you don't have to cut out all of Yazhen A. I still make it at half speed. Works just fine cause you don't need that many hetonite components.

[tame crow]

yeah for me it would just be about stockpiling items to sell in next update

[shadow void]

Hetonite Parts are 2x plus some on Yazhen A

[uneven aspen]

you can kinda pay for both outposts with just mostly of heavy xiranite(lowered if you make components) and sc wuling bats(lowered if you use more thermal banks)

[rugged gulch]

They also take 2x the mats to make. Though they gain like 4 extra bills.

[shadow void]

you only get 2 extra lines of Cupriumn in this patch, so if you make Yazhen A with all your Cuprium, you can add an extra 50% on that

you will have a massive power drain if you run Heto and Yazhen A

[rugged gulch]

I have 2 lines going to yazhen A which makes 3/min, and 4 lines going to hetonite.

not too much really. I run 2 batteries. Have been from the start. So it didn't really change anything

[tame crow]

guess I'll just keep what I have then

and do the big revamp for part 2

when they give us another 4 forges

[dim spire]

I already am using all 8 forges

Not anymore please.

[tame crow]

HC batteries

[shadow void]

heres my production, i can pull out the gearing unit that makes the Hetonite Comps to just make Hetonite Parts to sell

[tame crow]

2,7k heto comps seems like such a waste

[shadow void]

taking out the Heto Comps also banks all the Hvy Xiranite

[tame crow]

cause the gear costs so much more, doesnt seem worth to use for artificing

[dim spire]

Nah I am going all the way to the max.

[grave veldt]

Numbers must go up. If cap exist all numbers must be capped.

[trail fulcrum]

I need some help figuring this out. So basically I should halt production of yazhen A. Then build… how many forges to make heavy xiranite? And from that I can make new parts/comps?

[rugged gulch]

yeah, i got my hetonite comps making at like 0.5/min. just cause you don't need that many. So it builds slowly over time.

[shadow void]

Realistically you arent going to be using all those comps

[uneven aspen]

baseline should be 12/m sc wuling battery and 6/min heavy xiranite then you should have 30/m xiranite leftover. 4 forges for battery, 3 forges for heavy xiranite, then 1 extra forge.

cuprium would be split between syringe A and hetonite

[trail fulcrum]

Ok, I’ll try that, thank you

[shadow void]

Whats the power usage on all that

[dim spire]

You'll probably reach 6k I believe?

Unless I got too many stuff.

I have 9k eitherway

[uneven aspen]

im around 6k with all the essence towers+farm up and running

turn those off you can be under 5k i believe

[shadow void]

My setup is at 4.8

[tame crow]

im at 6,45k ww

[rugged gulch]

around 6k as well but have two big turret setups just running.

[shadow void]

O_o surely you put batteries in your combat towers?

[uneven aspen]

no that's too tedious

[shadow void]

What, are you just non-stop farming that? You put a stack of SC bats in and you'll never run out

[dim spire]

I barely have any combat towers out

[uneven aspen]

every patch we replace all the towers around the essences with new ones

then add batteries again and again 💀

[shadow void]

one time every ~30 days

[nova lodge]

or you can avoid doing that if you don't want to really....

[tame crow]

you use towers for farming?

[shadow void]

you gonna be placing the towers anyway, just put batteries in there

[uneven aspen]

the new towers shorten the time drasticaly . . .

[shadow void]

They are verrrry nice

[rugged gulch]

I could not be bothered with adding batteries to all those combat towers. i already have power going to those area's for other things. Why not use them? its not like eating 2 batteries is all that big a deal.

[uneven aspen]

yup no issues with base power, to care

[nova lodge]

i know, but its not a must unless you are afk farming those areas non-stop 24/7. (no sanity mode)
just do it when you felt like it.

new towers are indeed very nice :3

[shadow void]

if you put combat towers in every alluvium, thats batteries you are spending non-stop to power them. =Less batteries for stock bills

[nova lodge]

big boom long range too ;3

[vapid granite]

Someone refresh me how many culprium, ferrium, and originium deport unloaders we can have now?

[grave veldt]

I plan to run out of other things to sanity dump on (Every lvl 80, lvl 9 skill coming up) anyway so it will be welcome addition to wisadel family

[rugged gulch]

Not at all. I burn two batteries no matter what. The combat towers don't change how many batteries i use. I don't regulate my batterie useage at all cause it does not matter.

[vapid dock]

Power drain of batteries in towers is negligible. I farmed essences for the second half of 1.1 and thr battery inside towers went from 50 to 48

[shadow void]

This

[grave veldt]

6 culprium, 3 ferrium, and i didn't touch originium since i set up 12 batteries in 1.1

[shadow void]

I'm at 4,800 pwr in Wuling, and 4,760 in Valley IV. I could just start using HC Valley batteries in Wuling so I get all of those for Wuling stock bills

[digital vessel]

What is the new Cuprium max?

[shadow void]

180/m

[nova lodge]

new mineral nodes sure are trinkling in slowly.....LITERALLY
far less than V4 experience

[digital vessel]

darn so we are once again going to cucked by resource rates. I sure do hate myself

[tame crow]

yes

[rugged gulch]

kinda, you will still gain more then you can sell so its all good

[shadow void]

I'd prefer enough resources that we actually use every outpost

[nova lodge]

V4 was far more fun creating random stuff along the way =.=

[grave veldt]

Less materials - More place to do chubby lungs out of belts

[shadow void]

i'm not even using the new outpost, i make everything in the Main AIC and Jingyu

[nova lodge]

yes, chubby lung is a must!

[uneven aspen]

feels the same as wuling,

instead of explosives it's xiranite

and we still changing gear component each time

[dim spire]

I am using every outpost.

[uneven aspen]

so you're ferrying acid?

[tame crow]

Wuling
480
0
90
180

compared to V4
560
240
1080
0

[nova lodge]

but less annoying setup i guess

[shadow void]

Theres an acid pond on the border, i just run a manifold to main AIC, not difficult

[nova lodge]

yeah....i hope the amount catches up with the new area addition....or at least close to.

[tame crow]

it needs to

we getting 4 more forges

[uneven aspen]

really? didn't know this, will check it out when i log in next time

[nova lodge]

i probably should do this later....less annoying to setup since main AIC have far more space.

[nova lodge]

the lenghts players will go for dem resource

[tall tangle]

what do you do with extra acid after purification then?

[shadow void]

literally the only use case for the manifold atm

[uneven aspen]

oh it's that far . . . i dont think i have enough protocol space for that 💀

[dim spire]

I have the feeling I am doing something wrong...

[uneven aspen]

valley? you want like 12 sandleaf farms so kinda not?

[rugged gulch]

You do need an insane amount of sandleaf.

[nova lodge]

my sanity had been judged to be inadequate to judge this ;v

[dim spire]

Its in wuling

[dim spire]

This is in wuling, not V4

[uneven aspen]

to fill up the depot? that's personal choice

we get overabundance of everything you can go for taht

[shadow void]

Leanders BP originally had a bottling/unbottling system for acid

[dim spire]

I build all those for the forges to realise I actually only need 50% less than what I have been using today

[shadow void]

i removed that to save power, and ran a pipeline

I STILL don't know why the purifier dosent clog with acid

[nova lodge]

it just works

[uneven aspen]

I need to fix my syringe a and c 💀 looks awful

[shadow void]

that acid feeds into both port of the reactor, but the purifiers input is prioritized over the 2/s coming fromt he right

[vast iron]

Purifiers never clog because the input from the pipes is bigger than the input from the purifier and inputs alternate

That simple

[shadow void]

It can clog, if the purifier runs 100%

atleast in this setup

[vast iron]

It wont

Ive tested

Well as long as you uh

Remove that pipe in the middle

Well i dont really remember what leanders design looks like actually

[smoky eagle]

fuk i gotta sleep and can't return to aic until i finish story mode

[vast iron]

Well same logic applies

[smoky eagle]

nefarith boss battle?

[vast iron]

End of conversation

[shadow void]

that reactor has a 2/s pipe connected on one side, and the purifiers acid is connected to both, if for some reason you over feed the purifier it'll backup the system. Tons of ppl were having that issue. Its resolved by adding and removeing the purifier and reactor till the system is mostly dry, then it runs fine

[smoky eagle]

got to set up my hetonite part n shit wooh!!

[vast iron]

Yeah no u cooked

[vast iron]

Have you ever wondered why youre pumping 2/s into a single reactor

[vast iron]

How many cupriums until it starts clogging? 3 right

[sharp pawn]

Oh ok does anyone have xranite components bp i can use in like the sub aic area the wuling one the one you unlocked in 1.0

[sharp pawn]

Cause I intend on having it for my sub aic with cryston

[shadow void]

It works, thats all that matters to me atm

the reactor needs 0.5/s, the purifer produces 0.5, but the purifier isnt always 100% working its sleeping ever so slightly

[vast iron]

Thats normal lol

[shadow void]

this acid was 50, notice I cut the 2/s line

the 2/s line provides enough to make up whatever differnce the purifier is sleeping on

the manifold thats feeding that line is actually 2.5/s, the other connection goes to 4 other reactors

backs up anyway

[alpine tendon]

If I were to split the depot output into two belts would each have 15/min output?

[young stag]

is hetonite production supposed to be this bad

[alpine tendon]

1/min iirc

[fervent lodge]

yup

[alpine tendon]

So since my yield is 80, can I have three ouputs (90/min) but then split one of the outputs and feeding it back into the depot effectively getting 75/min output?

[vast iron]

Uh yes

Yes indeed

[alpine tendon]

I'll do that then, and let my yazhen A at least produce at a higher efficieny haha

not max, since I need 90

but as much as I can rn

[shadow void]

before and after cutting the 2/s acid line

[vast iron]

The "before" was more

Ig that makes sense

Youre cutting effectively like

1/9 is a weird number ig

[shadow void]

but the purifer should produce enough acid for it no?

[vast iron]

Nope

Only if it has 4 inputs

This looks like a case of 3

Maybe 2

[shadow void]

I dunno, this is the setup

[vast iron]

That shouldnt clog.

[shadow void]

That purifier is there to suck up the Cuprium solution that's waste from the production of Hetonite since you can't dump Cuprium solution. Why the Purifier next to the reactor doesn't clog with acid makes no sense unless the reactor somehow prioritizes the Purifiers acid over the 2/s line. But if you remove that 2/s line, it somehow makes a bumpy 4/m Hetonite Part line go to a flat 4/m. If you could dump Cuprium solution you could just remove the purifer and reactor below the Enhanced Crucible and dump it, and would work just fine.

Yes, it just works

[south oasis]

[shadow void]

How does that Reactor know to prioritize the acid from the Purifier, and also how the Enhanced Crucible know to prioritize the Hetonite Solution from the Purifier

[south oasis]

can a single expanded crucible process 4 belts of cuprium powder and 2 pipes of the yellow liquid to give 2 pipes of cuprium solution?

LIKE THIS

why is it in caps ffs

[green elbow]

Anyone else running out of buck a or hc valley battery since 1.2? I used to produce more than needed for stock bills and now the number keeps going down. I checked the production and they are still both at 18/m

[vast iron]

Well, what you dont get is that it doesnt need to prioritize
The purifier receives cuprium solution from 2 reactors which makes it produce solution at a rate of 0.25/s which is HALF of the usage rate of a single reactor crucible
Inputs on machines ALTERNATE
Meaning it takes .25 from the puri and .25 from 2/s pipe
The flowrate of the pipe doesnt matter as long as it can fulfill the .25 requifement

Its just that

[sick basin]

Uh, no?
U can only make the same recipe once

[south oasis]

it does feel a bit lower for me too but i thought it was fine

[vast iron]

Cant multiple of the same recipe

[sick basin]

U cant make 1 expanded do 2 of same

[green elbow]

afaik, each crucible can only do the same recipe in series, not parallel. But can do multiple recipes in parallel.

[south oasis]

man so its the same as the regular crucible

[shadow void]

Lead with this

[vast iron]

Wym

[shadow void]

Inputs ALTERNATE

[south oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-mad-gamer-keyboard-smash-gif-17069888

[vast iron]

Alternate usually only matter for belts, but for reactor it basically means it takes equal from both sides

Same for converger

[green elbow]

maybe they increased the speed the bills produce there? linked it to one of the regional bonuses from wuling by accident?

[serene rock]

Does anyone got a hetonite parts blueprint thats optimized i no smart

[green elbow]

they want you to do it like this.

[shadow void]

So the Reactor is taking equally from the Purifier and 2/s line, and the Expanded* Crucible is taking equally from both Purifiers that are connected. Making the waste purifier work

[vast iron]

Yes, because the purifier is making exactly half the requirement of the crucible which is why it dont clog

[glad needle]

if i want my heto comp to be full, i have to wait 21 days xd

im not doing it

its too much resource

[nova lodge]

[serene rock]

I just have one of those build and I'm just stocking them cause i don't need them right now

[green elbow]

what else are you using it for... we probably wont ever need more than like 30k anyway

[serene rock]

So I'll max out eventually

[nova lodge]

match out items on new update lul

[glad needle]

i guess arclight and perli should use it

[vast iron]

Nah yall need to start making hetonite bottles for our new project (source: trust)

[shadow void]

My original confusion was around why that purifier didnt clog with acid, even tho the reactor was being provided with 2/s from one side. The alternating inputs makes sense now. Confusion cured

[glad needle]

i hate it when they release a new gear which better than prev one, i already maxed my tangtang's gear

now the qingbo stuff is really good on her

[nova lodge]

shiny purple bottle not gud enuff now, need hetonite bottle

[vast iron]

I mean there are ways to force a prioritized input its just not necessary in this case (the specifics i am not 100% familiar with)

[glad needle]

man

[serene rock]

I had 2 making heavy xiranite and heto comp but it eas taking to much of my original xiranite so I went down to 1

[shadow void]

Its not better per se, maybe for a certain operators, but the stats arent any better than Xir or Cup make gear

Until we see red/orange tier gear

[glad needle]

Will they release such gear

[vast iron]

I expect you to have 68000 heavy xiranite bottles by tomorrow or perish

[shadow void]

1 million stock bills from 3 different regions, and taking 50,000 of 6 different ores

[vast iron]

500 of every component

Checkmate

[shadow void]

for one orange gear, maybe sprinkle 1000 oroberyls and 100 originium in there for the luls

[vast iron]

To make orange tier gear you need to mix 1000 liquidified component of every type in an expanded crucible and the recipe will take 24 hours

[shadow void]

Man, Cryston bottles got left in the ground huh?

[iron spoke]

jeeze I still haven't run out of cryston bottles

[iron spoke]

i use mine for sewage, acid and heavy xirafluid

[vast iron]

Soon we will be using water for reasons beyond your understanding

Bottled water.

[shadow void]

Not filling them with Hetanite Solution?

[iron spoke]

still consuming all that in component production

but my hetonite is super erratic while I finally got everything else stable

[shadow void]

Mines wobbly too

damn bots

[iron spoke]

hmm it seems like moving the dropdown to 2h stabilizes it

[brittle cove]

Rate my factories
Qingbo Stockade Outpost is literally just plants lol

[brittle cove]

It's wobbly because it's 75% efficient, so it goes back and forth between 22 and 23 afaik. Should be 22.5%

[rustic trout]

Hello boys, i'm looking for a blueprint for 240/min Xiranite in a Sub-PAC. Any ideas where to find one?

[astral spruce]

Are there any stronger bombs by chance

[shadow void]

no, just that one

[astral spruce]

Time to mass produce it for fun I guess

[still fulcrum]

it is possible to do 100% efficient hetonite components?

[vast iron]

Sorry, its basically impossible without external inputs

[still fulcrum]

or is there just not enough curpim deposits to do that?

[sick basin]

No

You need 16 cuprium lines

[shadow void]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494923383408820404

[sick basin]

We have 6

[still fulcrum]

dang

[shadow void]

its not really, but eh

[vast iron]

Thats 210 + heavy

[still fulcrum]

not even hlafway there

[shadow void]

best you'll get tho, right?

[vast iron]

Yeah but space-efficient isnt really best anymore

[shadow void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brittle cove]

Nope. 75% is the top right now

[shadow void]

Need moar Cuprium

[brittle cove]

You only need 8, not 16.

[vast iron]

Also optimal hetonite components is 2->1 so its more like 37.5% no?

[brittle cove]

need 2 purification plants worth, so that's 8 lines of cuprium powder

[vast iron]

Hetonite liquid to solid is 2-> 1 too

[brittle cove]

Oh yeah the return is bad
There's a reason why a component only takes 2 of them instead of 10 lol

[vast iron]

Imagine it took 10

[brittle cove]

Ye
So you need 2 liquids, each liquid is 4 cuprium

[vast iron]

1 component every 2 minutes

50 -> over an hour

[brittle cove]

🥲

[vast iron]

[brittle cove]

I was like halfway through making my hetonite line when I realized that we could only make one, and not even at 100% efficiency
Also means that we have exactly enough ferrium to run 2 xircon and one hetonite

[vast iron]

We suspect that test site will get us to 100% eff on 1 line

[brittle cove]

Would be nice. Only need one high purity and one low purity to achieve

[vast iron]

Some ppl have been playing geoguessr with the trailer img and spotting ore nodes

[brittle cove]

lul

[vast iron]

2 high + 2 low

We are 60 away

[brittle cove]

What to you guys think of my hetonite line?

[brittle cove]

Ah you right my b
Same as we got this one

[vast iron]

All gud

[pulsar willow]

you can pass acid through the crucible

[sick basin]

You do need 16

[pulsar willow]

also can pass cuprium solution through them as well

would look cleaner

[sick basin]

For 6/m comps, you need 16

[uneven aspen]

my long heavy xiranite

[brittle cove]

Yep that's what I did

[pulsar willow]

long?

[brittle cove]

Explain
Because afaik you only need 8 cuprium. If I'm missing something, I'd like to know

[vast iron]

Mine uses 2 TRIPLE passthroughs which looks super good and its tileable

[brittle cove]

OHH components not hetonite
Yeah lol we aint even at 3/m

[brittle cove]

I wanna see

[sick basin]

You need 2 hetonite solutions every 2/s to get 30/m hetomite
Thats 8 cuprium lines, yes
But heto parts take 10s, and comps need 2 every 10s
So you need two, 8 cuprium lines

[sick basin]

Im killing you

[brittle cove]

Yeah I didn't realize you meant the components lul

[vast iron]

Right side (ignore left i was lazy)

Wait no

[brittle cove]

😭

[pulsar willow]

as if tileable was an advantage when we have a deficit of cuprium lol

[vast iron]

I mixed my left and right

[vast iron]

Nah i mean when i expand from 75% to 100%

[brittle cove]

You could save some space if u used an enhanced one methinks
Same power tho

[pulsar willow]

yeah okay I see the vision

[vast iron]

I dont wanna

Saving space is OVERRATED

[brittle cove]

That's fair
I built all mine to be modular

[pulsar willow]

making everything pretty is not overrated though

[brittle cove]

👍

Agree

[vast iron]

Fusing them would make it not modular

[brittle cove]

I didn't make the hetonite modular tbf

[shadow void]

my Marker Stone aic is empty 🙁

[brittle cove]

Mine was until I needed to make hetonite

[shadow void]

Got it all at Wuling

[brittle cove]

My SKy King Flats outpost is 100 farming
Makes sense because that's what it supposed to be 🙂

[vast iron]

I realized dragging acid all the way to another aic probably isnt optimal

[shadow void]

Manifold the acid there

[brittle cove]

Wait you set up conduits all the way to Wuling?

wild

[vast iron]

I didnt

[shadow void]

acid pond is right on the boarder of new area

[vast iron]

Im not insane

[shadow void]

was just a few hops

[vast iron]

I did my shit in marker stone

[brittle cove]

Can we fill the 40k pool with Acid? lol

[shadow void]

yeah

probably

[brittle cove]

Pipe it to a dispenser there, then pipe it from there to the AIC

[astral spruce]

So is getting more of a mat than I make with that mat good or no

[brittle cove]

peak inefficiency

[shadow void]

you can dump acid back in the acid pool, but not in a non-like pool, but that 40k area is empty

[brittle cove]

Just means you'll build up a stock in the depot if I understood you correctly

[uneven aspen]

long syringe A and C

[pulsar willow]

mine looks like this but I think that I will need some other use for the other 60 cuprium I have (or maybe not)

[vast iron]

Objection: fill with liquid heavy xira

[brittle cove]

[vast iron]

[shadow void]

does liquid hvy damage or heal players?

[vast iron]

I assume neither?

Never tried

[pulsar willow]

does nothing

[brittle cove]

Imagine if you could use filled bottles as grenades

[shadow void]

didn't check but is Hetanite solution dumpable, i know cuprium solution isnt

[vast iron]

LIQUID AKETINE SOLUTION

[pulsar willow]

I am a bit sad that we can't choose the output liquids in purification unit

[brittle cove]

If we put liquid rice in a bottle and leave it for awhile, do we get booze?

[pulsar willow]

it just kinda assumes that lower port is the main product