aic-factory

[rain schooner]

dont make the mistake I made. You need to use it for uhh the new xircon method

[solid python]

Xiranite split into multiple products

[rain schooner]

or that lol

[subtle finch]

extra sc or lc battery

[sonic summit]

i use 7 xira and 1heavy xira

[solid python]

Sometimes I want to make more gear components to fodder

[quaint echo]

Dedication 💀

[deft orbit]

why more bateries tho? We are already stockpiling more than we can sell to the outposts

[quasi locust]

thanks for checking it out i am using a lot of item control port to prevent contamination, maybe it isn't necessary at places. let me try to cut some out

[deft orbit]

which products?

[subtle finch]

if it's just prio like that let me try conjure something real quick, i think i can do what you want it to do

[tawny ravine]

How do you handle gear materials production

Do you just let it run a bit then disabled

[solid python]

LC, SC batteries, Xiranite components, Bottled Xiranite

[solid python]

Yes

[deft orbit]

stockpiling things, I take?

[grave veldt]

What dedication? that specific pont on screenshot is like 35 capacity, i think it was tutorial for dumping bottles

[solid python]

The other location is probably just as far from the acid pools

[dense egret]

How do you get the Yazhen Spray L?

I dont even have the blueprint to craft it

[sick basin]

Collect 100
Or 150 thorny yazhen

Iirc

[solid python]

It's through crafting or operator gifts

[craggy relic]

should be fairly easy to get thorny now with the marker stone area

there a LOTS

[dense egret]

Son...

[dense egret]

Oh thanks

[river wadi]

Or just eco farm

[craggy relic]

you can also plant yazhen

[sick basin]

?

What

Its how u get it

[river wadi]

takes 1 hour to grow a yazhen plot to get 1-3 thorny yazhen

[sick basin]

Wait till u hear there is super rich bumper if u combine shit with heavy xiranite

||im lying||

[craggy relic]

am I doomed to have spaghetti bases if I insist on having minimum width istg

[exotic berry]

this is my current setup for hetonite components
I assumed that the converger is supposed to allow 3 of the hetonite solution pipes to merge into one, is this correct?

[quasi locust]

@subtle finch here i actually wanted the activated carbon to gate the xiranite. using purely priority belt, it seems that for top converger, xiranite has priority (unwanted behavior) while for bottom, activated carbon has priority (intended)

[sick basin]

Since crucibles are 1 every 2s, means u caan merge 4 into 1 pipe just fine, yes

[exotic berry]

I'm dumb I forgot to dump out the impurities lol

[solid python]

Yes but you need to drain the acid back into the swamp

[craggy relic]

should be yeah

that too, drain the acid into the swamp or pipe it back into a crucible

[shut hearth]

how are yall making the cuprium refining compact?

[sick basin]

U can also use the acid to feed into one of the crucibles
But that needs 4 going into 1 purificatiin unit

[dense egret]

How do I eco farm? It doesnt even convert to seed

[shut hearth]

like someone posted this earlier but i cant seem to see what they did to save so much space

[solid python]

I just place it in the empty spaces of my base and conduit the pipes

[river wadi]

Yazhen plots have a chance of harvesting thorny yazhen

[sick basin]

Collect thorny->put into seed picking->craft plots->place down

[river wadi]

Thorny yazhen does not have seeds

[sick basin]

Oh wait no

Im dumb

[dense egret]

So its a chance based?

[sick basin]

Mistook it

[river wadi]

you can get 1-3 thorny yazhen every harvest

[sick basin]

Its guranteed
The amount is random

[dense egret]

[sick basin]

If u use bumper rich u get double

[solid python]

They have 1 space between refineries for belts weaving in and out

[craggy relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1495141918168842260/image.png?ex=69e5d3ab&is=69e4822b&hm=5548188f4bc9b24647b17f2f9686ac476305fbaaae054f4f0e05789a110c3f7a&
imo you either make spaghetti, or you live with it not being compact

[dense egret]

Tf

[river wadi]

it takes 2 minutes to harvest and you get like 40 thorny yazhen every time from 20 plots

[dense egret]

I havent used eco farms much

But do I have to manually do it?

[river wadi]

yea

[dense egret]

Bruh

[river wadi]

you can use sprinklers to auto water but must harvest manually

[craggy relic]

I'm just too obsessed with making everything minimum width and I should probably stop lol

[dense egret]

Can you even walk there

Last time I made something near compact, my character got stuck on the seed picking unit

While I brought the conduit line

[dense egret]

Ty

[tired parcel]

Things getting stabilized... Now i need to fix xiranite rate, how much max yield?

[sick basin]

210

[craggy relic]

yeah you can

[sick basin]

Well, 240 but using 1 forge fkr heavy

[dense egret]

So currently my yield of cuprium is 180/min and I have 8 refineries

[tired parcel]

Ty...

[dense egret]

I need to reduce my yazhen syringe production

Right?

[sick basin]

U can nuke it comoletly ye

[craggy relic]

if you look at my setup, it's a 30/min setup but I can only run it at 22.5

[dense egret]

2 x 1 for Bottle + 1 x 2 for Parts + 4 x 1 for Hetonite comp

[craggy relic]

ngl if you're doing 240 you're inting

[dense egret]

Total 8

I should probs make it 1 x 1 + 1 x 1

Then it will be 6

[marble yarrow]

eyy

[craggy relic]

wtf cryston bottle

[sick basin]

Needs to prove they are useful somehow

[marble yarrow]

i just like the white paired with gold acid lmaooo

[solid python]

Planning to dump acid on Wuling

[dense egret]

BRO

[craggy relic]

man I really need to stop acting like I'm in valley 4

[dense egret]

My peril has been solved

FINALLY

[craggy relic]

all my blueprints are just depot out on one side ending with stash

[dense egret]

All I had to do was wait for 5 seconds without using any cuprium

[quasi locust]

@subtle finch i have committed to use just the priority belt on both side, seems to solve the issue

[craggy relic]

the space

have they announced when test area is coming

[sick basin]

14th

[fervent lodge]

can i ask why this is needed
they get sold out on yazhen A and are broke as shit either way

regen is so slow you can barely sell

[solid python]

I have a lot of unused space too

[trim belfry]

I want to share prints/blue prints of my factory math and info, any rules to make a thread ?

[exotic berry]

I don't really understand the difference between current and theoretical data.
Current data seems to be correct but why is theoretical data showing 720/min for precipitation acid? I don't think that I'm overusing them as I only have 3 sets of conduit manifolds

[craggy relic]

theoretical data is the sum of every facility assuming it runs at full capacity

[subtle finch]

i found a stable version of your layout, (xiranite on the left)
it's definitely easier if they are flipped
i'm worried about that image because like i said, convergers usually prioritize sides when placed from bp or logging off, try place them again via bp

i also encountered spooky stuff before that im not sure if you're interested knowing
sometimes placing it in different area of the aic can affect prio, i had seen that too in the past

[sick basin]

Theoritical is like the "max" the things can use
For example if u put 2 belts going into a turned off facility, youre using 0/m in reality
But in theory its 60/min

Cuz 1 belt it 30/m

[craggy relic]

I basically never trust theoretical anymore

[quasi locust]

feng shui

[exotic berry]

oh I see, so it's safe to assume that my factory production won't go haywire if my yield and usage are almost the same in current data?

[craggy relic]

barring some weird behavior somehow clogging your line, no

[quasi locust]

yeah i am worried for the logging off too, hopefully it runs well offline, or i would have to yeet the switch design

[marble yarrow]

its just to end the "which is better" in terms of bills

round 2 battle: power vs bills

[subtle finch]

see, same topology, different outcome (all bp placed)
when i deal with with conver prio i just do trial and error and keep the entire belt system in a bp, the entire thing is usually stable

[marble yarrow]

round 3: i dont have zhuang fangyi

[subtle finch]

i have many theories about it but none of them proves to be exact
i thought its belt length, sometimes that's true, but then i move it to another bus, and it's different again

[orchid dune]

Man there's so much shit added I dunno where to start 🛌

[heady elm]

It finally works without any problems.

[sick basin]

Holy deustch pull

[subtle finch]

you are either only using stocked parts, or you're conjuring cuprium out of thin air
im not gonna question which one

[lean zenith]

who needs pipe bridge anyways

[tired parcel]

This alright fellas? Dont mind the theoretical, there are lots of inactive factories

[dense egret]

Will this stupid hetonite production rlly take me that long

[subtle finch]

heavy yield could be flatter, but otherwise ok

[grave veldt]

Well it is not that bad.... Compared to doing 1.1 battery without outside help

[keen river]

hetonite isnt all that bad tbh

[sick basin]

Took me about an hour
Use a bp and it will take u 2 mins

Its quite simple really

I think making sc batteries was worse

[astral spruce]

im creating more of something im ot using enough of fuck

[torn yew]

because of the Purification thing, what should I do with the excess Xiranite? or am I missing something?

[grave veldt]

I just stashed it and feel smart about it

[subtle finch]

dense ori metatransfer and extra lc/sc bat

[craggy relic]

my setup piped some of the excess into LC battery with dense originium transfer but it's like, still leaving 20/min ish

[quasi locust]

@subtle finch reduced more two-port connections to prio belt, it's working now putting xiranite in potty to simulate the last stage gate opening

[subtle finch]

there's a new meta now to alternate that spare forge to make heavy xiranite, with those normal xiranite
it's a pain and we're (someone) trying to automate it

[craggy relic]

tbh obsessing over it doesn't mean much since there's nobody to sell to anyway

it's just

"THERE IS EXTRA AND I MUST USE IT"

[subtle finch]

you get more in profit if you convert it
plus most regulars here care a lot about hoarding surplus, for that event or just funny number go up

[torn yew]

I must be missing something because I have an excess Xiranite production

[heady elm]

its the rest of the hetonit that wase in the storage but i forgot first to unconect the spliter whit heavy xiranit and it wase only on 1 a min

[grave veldt]

4 on battery, 2 on heavy, gratz you finished 1.2 part 1, come back when test area

[torn yew]

yeah but that's 7 Forge of the Sky-s used

what about the 8th?

[craggy relic]

somewhat ironically there would be way less complaints if they only give us 7 forges in this update instead of 8 😂

[grave veldt]

Are there any specific reason to care that 8th xiranite not used for anything? What if we get hit with please donate 10k normal xiranite sidequest (Lmao that bell one)

[craggy relic]

if you're not hellbent on optimizing every detail you can just sell it as it is

[subtle finch]

8th forge is cool actually, but we were definitely meming about +1 +2 +3 +4 forge before

[manic spoke]

bro why tf the refining unit for wulin keeps gettin clogged, its annoying ash

[craggy relic]

I think the 8th forge is probably meant as a flex forge

so that you can actually make some spray bottles, components, etc

[subtle finch]

you can make it to use super poop fertilizer , totally the intended purpose

[craggy relic]

it felt a bit annoying in 1.0 to have to disconnect a forge (of which you have ONLY 2) to make sprays

[craggy relic]

are you draining the sewage

[manic spoke]

how the helly do i do that, aside addin a fluid tank i got no clue how else

[craggy relic]

treat the sewage (play/read the tutorial if you don't know how)

[subtle finch]

1 day consistent rate is an achievement for me
i usually like to fuck around my production for no reason

[craggy relic]

you should have a water treatment unit in prod 1

[rare osprey]

Needed heavy xiranite for the story, marvel at my fluctuating 1/m production. I'm kind of a big deal.

[sick basin]

U dont need any foe story

[alpine tendon]

What is the max a pipe can transport? 120/min?

[sick basin]

[fallow wave]

anyone ever get this message?

[sick basin]

Pipe? 2/s

[craggy relic]

120/min ye

[alpine tendon]

pipe.

[sick basin]

Flow rate right there

[rare osprey]

did this quest description lie to me? dnagit

[sick basin]

Yes
2/s is 120/m

Good maths

[alpine tendon]

So I could merge four refining unit sewage into one and then split them later?

[fallow wave]

tf does that mean unconstructed included? those in storage?

[craggy relic]

I think the intention when they made the quest was to require you make it but got scared that people will complain about having to use the factory in the factory game

[sick basin]

Yep, u dont need any for story
There will be a total of 1 area u need the liquid form to clear the new blight but that needs only like 5 bottles

[sick basin]

Stuff like belt bridges, splitters
And unconnected belt lines count towards it

[craggy relic]

so that explains why my whole-base bp from v4 saves fine but my wuling bps have to be split up a lot of the times

wuling needs a lot more pipe splits and joins

[hoary pendant]

I have a question: How do you clean this acid? It accumulates and when it clogs, it jams everything in the factories.

[fallow wave]

in one area?

[sick basin]

Reuse
Or just dump it back into the pool

[hoary pendant]

Which equipment discharges the water back into the pool?

[real crescent]

fluid supply

looks like a pump, but arrows go down

[sick basin]

Look riggt above u

[hoary pendant]

Where is this fluid filling?

oh

i see

thankyou

[thick plume]

I shouldve progressed story before dragging power to marker stone area 💀 or at least did my research lmao

[shadow canopy]

We need 30 xiranite/min to make xircon effluent, but we can use 4 of inert xircon effluent to make xircon effluent. So we can use less xiranite to make the same xircon effluent. Its 24 xiranite with splitter the easy way is 25, putting back 5 xiranite to depot

[jaunty ingot]

yall im not in wuling yet but do u need alot of ferrium in wuling?

[tame sedge]

So smooth

And i don't why it took this picture for it to finally click why ppl were talking about meta transferring desnse orig

[fervent lodge]

are you talking about that chest on the bridge?

[unkempt estuary]

chat there is something wrong with this

I think this is not as efficient as I thought it would be

[tame sedge]

Its is not, no

Miko has been yelling at ppl all weekend

[heady elm]

@subtle finch ok now i have no idea were the cuprium comes

[unkempt estuary]

false advertising from endfield devs

[subtle finch]

ive gotten less stressed ever since i ignored any question regarding crucibles

[grave veldt]

If you have full pipe of sewage going in Xicron recipe will fail to work, i have half sewage pipe going in from 1 cuprium

[shadow canopy]

Is it can 3 formula?

[sick basin]

No the blight thats on the building behind the new alluvinium

[real crescent]

are you interested in oob zips overlooking the new sub pac?

[unkempt estuary]

got it

[fervent lodge]

oh ic
because the bridge was uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sick basin]

Doable with normal xiranite
And parkoirable

[grave veldt]

Yes, it even pointed out in simulation tutorial

[subtle finch]

do not question it
just be happy you're earning more

[fervent lodge]

oh that'd be neat yea

[unkempt estuary]

it can and is doing 8

but not as quickly as 5 smol crucibles, I'm gonna try reducing the sewage input and will see

[subtle finch]

honestly, check your hetonite parts, are you sending that directly to production, or it goes to depot first?

[uneven aspen]

do you have 6 refiners on cuprium?

cuprium ore is still 180 yield so nothing seems off there

[subtle finch]

it can also come from protocol stash, that is untracked
i hope you're not messing with us

[alpine tendon]

BEHOLD

[tame sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-ake-chen-gif-1852193165950969361

[real crescent]

the first one is a bit awkward to claim since you have to place your zipline and your pylon in midair, similiar to how youd claim a kite zipline

[real crescent]

4 rotating brain cells?

[alpine tendon]

Now I'm left with 0

What is max yield of cuprium?

[shadow canopy]

180

[torn yew]

180... or 6 outputs

[heady elm]

now i kow why it is on 3 i forgot to check the gearing unit ther wase 23 of hetonite parts left and it is so slow that it rund now 30 min on 3 a min

[uneven aspen]

😔 had to turn off the sprinklers at the farm, and only 2/3 of the towers by the essences are turned on.

[tacit quarry]

my new final production

[subtle finch]

power your towers directly with batteries, why is it so high

[uneven aspen]

sounds more of a pain menuing around

and giving them batteries

[dusty snow]

Anyone know what's the math for heavy xiranite is?

[subtle finch]

you dont need to deal with pylons in between, so it evens out

[dusty snow]

I only have 2 output of it and it's already 42 theoretical usage?

I tried turning it off and it's STILL 42

[lusty violet]

i've converted to batteries in towers

[dusty snow]

What?

[shadow canopy]

2 xiranite and 1 xircon effluent

[grave veldt]

Second outpost upgrades from 3300 cash to 8400 cash (And +20% cash is Akekuri)

[uneven aspen]

would've considered it if it means turning off all the HC valley batteries in the thermal bank

[dusty snow]

No, i know how to make it

[uneven aspen]

but it's only -600 power not enough

[ancient charm]

finally done

[lusty violet]

facilities that are switched off but connected to the grid will show up in theoretical data

[subtle finch]

theoretical usage is tied to units, not depot unloaders
for example gearing unit set to hetonite component gives +6 theoretical usage

[shadow canopy]

Look your factory, maybe when u make gear the hetenoite part is not enough

[dusty snow]

Look at this

I know the current maxium yield is 6

But how does the calculation for its maximum theoritical consumption be 42?

[shadow canopy]

Send the factory

[grave veldt]

Theoretical means you run EVERYTHING at 100% efficiency regardless if that even possible

[lusty violet]

im guessing you have 1 component, and 1 liquid heavy xiranite
giving 12+30

[dusty snow]

So far i only have 2 unloader, i think

[subtle finch]

try restarting the game, sometimes it can bug out

[shadow canopy]

That 60

[dusty snow]

Is it 21 for each?

[dusty snow]

See? That's what i mean... Why tf is it 42?

[candid wadi]

What is liquid heavy xiranite used for right now ?

[subtle finch]

like i said, its not tied to unloaders, its tied to units with recipe set to use the material

[lusty violet]

component is 12/min heavy xir consumption, liquid heavy xir is 30/min consumption

[lusty violet]

spraying new blight

[tacit quarry]

what have you done and why its 42

[lusty violet]

12+30... guys

[solid python]

Just ignore the red numbers

[grave veldt]

42 = 6 x8, do you have 8 facilities consuming that stuff for 10s recipe?

[dusty snow]

Just the usual hetonite component around 4.5 ish. Can't max it out due to cuprium bottleneck

[shadow canopy]

surely because hetenoite part input is not enough to make gear

[dusty snow]

And one for liquid heavy xiranite

[tacit quarry]

oh, I just notice it's heavy Xiranite isn't it? well that's normal

[uneven aspen]

the new towers are very good

[dusty snow]

Is that how the math is? Hold on

[grave veldt]

Theoretical LITERALLY DOESNT NOT CARE, that's why it is theoretical

[lusty violet]

yes, you can check

[tacit quarry]

"WARNING YOU ARE WITHIN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY!!!!" energy

[subtle finch]

he's giving actual rates, and comparing it to theoretical

[dusty snow]

YEA! YOU'RE RIGHT

The formulas for these new machines are making me tweakout man

2/10 secs and that's 12 every 60

The liquid is just the basic 30/min(1/2 sec)

[uneven aspen]

The formulas are way easier to manage if you convert everything to minutes

[dusty snow]

True, but something the brain's just not braining yk

Also, wtf even is that purifier that needs FOUR liquid every second?

[lusty violet]

it's 4/2s

[uneven aspen]

games UI's fault

like they show the time for each formula in the chain

but not the amounts

[dusty snow]

Okay, brain's not braining again, but am i wrong in saying that we need 4 liquid intake for each one purifier unit? The amount of crucible needed to maximize it would probably take an entire Sub AIC

Allat to produce 6 component

[uneven aspen]

so 8 crucibles taking cuprium powder and acid

4 crucibles to 1 purifier, twice

currently we only have 180 cuprium so only 6 crucibles can be running at 100%

[shadow canopy]

make 2 Zircon. 1 Zircon produce 2 inert xircon output. put that 4 inert output in purification unit to make effluent for heavy xiranite and drop the water back to pond/etc

[vivid shore]

what uses does heavy xiranite has?

[ancient charm]

making het comp

and some blight can only be cleared by liquid heavy xiranite

[torn yew]

Hetonite Component, Liquid Heavy Xiranite, and selling

[ancient charm]

so far only one has been spotted in marker stone

[vivid shore]

i kinda finished the blight, should i still stockpile some bottles?

im trying to reduce the amount of cuprium ore im using

[ancient charm]

yes

we dont know what test area is like atp

[solid python]

I have 0 Cuprium bottles

[ancient charm]

ferrium bottles can also be used for liquid heavy xiranite

no way you guys are using cuprium bottles bruh

pls tell me ur not using cuprium for spraying liquids

[vivid shore]

nope, ferrium. it just poorly optimezed, i took some blueprints and trying to see whats going on

[subtle finch]

it's more effective that way

[lusty violet]

i prefer my drink to be in the finest containers

[vivid shore]

?

[subtle finch]

it's a joke

[vivid shore]

ah, was like wtf

[solid python]

Hetonite bottles?

[dusty snow]

We can make that?

[ancient charm]

Is it bad that I need a zipline to get out of Wuling Core AIC

[subtle finch]

that's why i dont use it

[ancient charm]

but a filled AIC looks really good

[solid python]

I should go up there and take a picture of my barren AIC

[ancient charm]

Im gonna have to find time and experiment how to setup the xiranite farms to be more compact so I can bring the hetonite production over too

tho I think lowk I'm gonna hit the 512 limit way before that happens

[dusty snow]

Also, you guys think we will get an HC WUling battery? Since the Wuling arc probably already reached its peak? And the fact that one SC Wuling battery is enough to power the entire minng rig of Valley IV(kinda whack lore wise lol).

[solid python]

Probably with a Heavy Xiranite requirement

[ancient charm]

HC wuling is possible, I'm guessing maybe powdered hetonite + liquid heavy xiranite will produce heavy xircon effluent used to make HC wuling

[solid python]

It should give more than double the power of SC batteries, I think

[hoary pendant]

this is Art.

[dense wyvern]

I doubt Wuling is over yet.

[vivid shore]

are you guys not using HC valley batts? i have a surplus of around 8k in valley iv, using them in wuling

[dense wyvern]

Doesn't matter too much at this point.

[ancient charm]

And they are all functioning units, not just placed to look good, that's the best part

[real crescent]

cant be arsed to manually transfer them over

[dense wyvern]

Yeah.

[solid python]

I transfer every week

[ancient charm]

and waste time transferring? nah

[vivid shore]

same, im kinda tired of doing so much daily

[dense wyvern]

Got plenty of SCs that aren't selling fast enough already.

[dusty snow]

I don't want to think about it man... Just the SC battery is already taking 10 crucibles or 6 mega crucibles, and since my factory isn't the most optimized. I'd say over 80% of its spcae is already used.

[ancient charm]

we produce way too much SC wuling

[solid python]

I have 80k SC Wuling batteries in Valley IV just in case.

[dense wyvern]

The new area doesn't even buy SC batteries.

[vivid shore]

im not there yet, im so so, and i want to halt batt production and do other things

[vivid shore]

lv 2

[dense wyvern]

There's no need to halt battery production.

[ancient charm]

components? you can min max those if you really want to

[dense wyvern]

You don't make enough Hetonite anyways.

[ancient charm]

just sell heavy xiranite in the new outpost for now I guess

[solid python]

Just manually mine

[vivid shore]

i am making 6 tea and 12 sc batteries

[ancient charm]

more profitable to produce het parts

[vivid shore]

really?

[ancient charm]

yes

[lusty violet]

it's the same assuming excess ferrium is used for [c]

[ancient charm]

no swap metatransfer for dense ori powder

[lusty violet]

that's excluding metatransfer as well

[dusty snow]

I swear HG is ragebaiting us with the lack of ferrium

[vivid shore]

what are you producing /min? can you share the aic report?

[teal plume]

truly the peak of human engineering

[ancient charm]

you wont have excess ferrium in any case tho

[lusty violet]

het parts take ferrium, using that to make [c]s

it balances out

[ancient charm]

60/min goes to battery production, 30/min goes to hetonite production, you got none leftover

[vivid shore]

whats c?

[solid python]

Hetonite Parts can only be sold in the Sky Outpost, but you can sell SC batteries to the Marker Outpost at level 2.

[dense wyvern]

Something like that

[ancient charm]

probably yazhen C? its not even worth making bruh

[vivid shore]

ah, i left that behind for tea, not sure if tea is worth it

[lusty violet]

https://discordapp.com/channels/950244160684834837/1461541796977967289/1495480648310194387

[ancient charm]

yooo

[hidden temple]

we can't run full heto rn so it doesn't use all 30/min fer

[dusty snow]

HUH!? A stable 6 hetonite part?????

[ancient charm]

nah I'm overloading my cuprium production

it will go back down eventually

but once new regional level comes I don't have to worry about expanding

[dusty snow]

Shit bruv. I thought you're pulling that originum magic

[ancient charm]

it is a good way to mess with people

they see that full efficiency production chart and go wtf

[dense wyvern]

Most people probably had them for a while because they were lazy and stocked up resources.

[vivid shore]

so, should i produce tea or focus on hetonite?

[dense wyvern]

I'd say Heto.

[ancient charm]

het

[dense wyvern]

The world is too peaceful, need more Heto.

[vivid shore]

then bye bye tea, was a pleasure tasting you, but its taking to much cuprium ore

i freed up like 120 cuprium ore

finally, its not on red anymore

[ancient charm]

Is it possible to compact hetonite production into core AIC?

[dense wyvern]

Need acid though.

[vivid shore]

exactly

[subtle finch]

why would you wanna transfer acid that far 😭

[ancient charm]

Does the teleport glitch still work, the one where you start connection then go to another tp point

[sick basin]

Possible, yes
But youd nees to bottle acid and bring it over that way

[vivid shore]

no idea

[subtle finch]

yes

[sick basin]

Ye

[ancient charm]

So in theory

I can put a conduit in MS AIC

then bring it over to core

[vivid shore]

you crazy

[sick basin]

Or
Just bottle acid and then seprate it in aic

[dense wyvern]

Need to bottle and bring it back to dump too....

[vivid shore]

but yeah, what you are saying makes sense, @ancient charm

[ancient charm]

Nah not enough space if I want to compress everything into core AIC

[subtle finch]

im gonna get your ass

[sick basin]

My ass isnt fir you, sorry

[ancient charm]

So far everything other than het part is in core AIC

[sick basin]

Unless you spinsor p3 fangyi, then u can habe it

[subtle finch]

someone has sent acid to core aic with just pipes, no one is stopping you

[ancient charm]

I sent sewage from core to MS with conduits

[vivid shore]

how do you have 6 hetonite/min?

[ancient charm]

Then realised the sewage was useless

[dense wyvern]

[ancient charm]

Do you not have regional level 13 unlocked yet?

Huh?

[vivid shore]

isnt lv 12 max?

[ancient charm]

No

[dense wyvern]

[ancient charm]

The mines go to full production at 13

[vivid shore]

yeah yeah

[sick basin]

12 is max
Bro is making fun

Well
Current max, will go higher

[dense wyvern]

Working as intended.

[vivid shore]

i know, just trying to figure out what im doing wrong in my aic

[dusty snow]

Kinda weird that we reach maximum region development without getting probably the rest of the machines.

[shut hearth]

i love misinformation

[ancient charm]

Its not max

[sick basin]

It isnt max

Wulling max Will be like 15 or 16

[ancient charm]

Literally says in the regional development thingy

[dusty snow]

So there's gonna be more beyond 12? Nice

[dusty snow]

Oh, must've missed it then

[bold kernel]

good afternoon

[vivid shore]

good evening

[ancient charm]

Good night

[dusty snow]

And in case i don't see you

[bold kernel]

well this one is a rough way of doing this as I am still learning how the new AIC components work

[dusty snow]

lmao

[dusty snow]

My bad... I just had to

[dense wyvern]

Mine is a mess. But works,.

[ancient charm]

What da heli

[dusty snow]

As long as it works man

[bold kernel]

true and I need to go buy food in a bit before i get too engrossed in AIC factory

[dense wyvern]

Like yeah....

[bold kernel]

then going back to pragmata before day ends hopefully

[ancient charm]

The only new ones that matter are expanded crucible and purification, you can learn expanded crucible pretty easily by messing around with the existing crucibles you have and figuring how to compress three into one expanded

Purification is quite straightforward ngl

[dense wyvern]

I use it for Xircon too, but it's annoying how you can do all in one Xircon production with full efficiency.

[lyric vale]

anyone know why this cause of clogged?

[bold kernel]

i want to learn how to use prifucation to make a infite solution making loop

[ancient charm]

Bro

[split yoke]

hey is 3/m heavy xiranite okay or should i go for 6/m, idk how to allocate resources to get the most moni, is there a list for best money making production rate

[dense wyvern]

Probably the next building is clogged.

[ancient charm]

Why you use expanded when can use regular crucible

[subtle finch]

why do you think i'd post something that's not working

[bold kernel]

my depot currently has stacks of zircon right now

[dense wyvern]

Sorry I replied wrong person.

[ancient charm]

For starters your output is clogged, so best to check the next machine in line to see why that is causing the clog

[dusty snow]

6 is the best for now

[split yoke]

aight, time to go factory making again

[dense wyvern]

The expanded produces Hetonite

[lyric vale]

is it necessary to use water treatement unit for sewage?

[dusty snow]

Just build 3 more xiranite with 3 sky forges, turn one of them into xircon with crucible and funnel the 2 xiranite + 1 xircon into the last sky forge to make heavy xiranite.

[royal yoke]

im too brain dead for factory what dall hell is this bru

[ancient charm]

Depends if anything else requires sewage

[dense wyvern]

Well original idea was to organize everything nicely and loopback to make it cool. But then half way through I got lazy with the pipeworks.

But as long as it works, it's kinda whatever.

[ancient charm]

No, u have enough inert xircon to purify and use as xircon effluent

[split yoke]

i rn have 6 forges set to xiranite, 180/min

[dense wyvern]

I just water treatment the xircon effluent. Can't be bothered to manage it.

[dusty snow]

OH

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

[lyric vale]

yeah i hope that didn't cost a lot of power

[ancient charm]

Its one building bruh

[dusty snow]

My dumbass forgot the new purifier can be used for that

THANKS!

[royal yoke]

my brain cant process all of this like bruh

[dense wyvern]

It produces a 1/2 efficient line of water which you either have to dump or make another treatment plant.

And then use that water.

[dusty snow]

It can also be used for the dark green thing

[dense wyvern]

So why not just dump it.

[lyric vale]

ikr

[royal yoke]

i am end game and my factory looks like a baby factory lmaoo

[ancient charm]

Just dump water easy

[subtle finch]

is that your build? why is there a treatment unit there? its cutting off the supply from the crucibles, that's why it's clogging

[dense wyvern]

Then might as well just dump the starting thing.

[ancient charm]

Dump 1 vs dump 4

You get 30/min more xiranite if you set up the purification unit

If only u can purify sewage

[dense wyvern]

That'd be nice.

Turn it in to water and make the refinery run themselves.

[subtle finch]

next patch you can

[ancient charm]

Turn into carbon and water

[shadow canopy]

Thats for new area date 5.14

[royal yoke]

yall are talking like mad engineers

[lyric vale]

inb4 it's a conduit inlet. so i replace it with water treatement unit due the clogging

[ancient charm]

Just remove it

[shadow canopy]

Sewage turn into xiranite liquid/effluent on 5.14

[ancient charm]

Aint helping if we dont get more FoS

[dense wyvern]

'Sewage can be stored in a bottle, can now be sold to citizens'.

[lyric vale]

already did since i ask the clogged issue

[subtle finch]

it takes like 2 units minimum to put 4 inert to use, just send the water to one of the refinement unit

[solid python]

Maybe next Outpost we can make enough water to remove 1 water pump

[dense wyvern]

Wouldn't that be very slow?

We just need better pumps that can pump 2x the current one.

[lyric vale]

actually, i want to put conduit inlet and outlet there, but due the clogged issue, i expect to replace 4 of them into water treatement unit. till someone suggest me to remove it

[viscid plover]

how many water treatment you guys using now? 5 should be it right? 4 for cuprium and 1 for hetonite

[orchid pilot]

if you're making full hetonite, it's 6

[lyric vale]

8

[viscid plover]

you can't make full hetonite tho we don't have 8 cuprium

[orchid pilot]

(2 hetonite because making 0.75 hetonite, i.e., running two purification units)

sorry I mean full for this current resource mix

75% hetonite line

0 cuprium medicine bottling

[viscid plover]

got it

[orchid pilot]

but yeah if you're doing 4 cuprium to hetonite and 2 to bottling, then yeah, 5 checks out to me

[scarlet cipher]

What's the best way to level up the new outpost? Heavy Xiranite? I followed a max efficiency guide and have just diverted the heavy xiranite from new component creation to just stashing heavy xiranite until I can rank up the outpost for better trade options...

[dense wyvern]

My AIC is so messy I don't even know where the treatment plants are but yeah, Hetonite and Cuprium lines where you're not making use of sewage.

[gaunt knoll]

How many lines are able to made of Heavy Xiranite without hurting the two lines of SC Batteries?

[dense wyvern]

I don't think the trade options matter much if you can run close to full efficiency.

[scarlet cipher]

One, I'm pretty sure?

[sick basin]

1

[gaunt knoll]

Ok so it really is just the one you can make

[sick basin]

2 in 4 weeks

[gaunt knoll]

With one normal Xiranite line left over?

[dense wyvern]

Basically you just use the new 4 forges for Heavy Xiranite. You can go ahead and leave your current 2 AICs as it is (maybe stop producing tea).

[orchid pilot]

the only things that give added value currently are SC batteries and heavy xiranite, but I don't recommend trading in heavy xiranite yet
I would recommend A-level meds for the lv1 upgrade, then you can trade in SC batteries there too

[scarlet cipher]

So what, you just let the second outpost max out and never use their stocks?

[dense wyvern]

3 For Xiranite -> 1 Heavy.

I mean you produce way more then enough to sell.

[quartz pagoda]

Ok so. Can i tried to use the new Curcible to make Xircon for batteries using Water + Sewage + Xiranite + Ferrium Dust, but i need 2 Xircon Effluent and it can only make 1 at a time. But i cant feed it Xircon Effluent from another crucible bc i need the Water + Sewage input.

Is not possible to compact my SC battery production line using the new Crucible?

[orchid pilot]

Acpey, I think they're asking specifically because it doesn't take SC batteries

for the first level

that's my guess at least

[scarlet cipher]

Yeah, you can't trade like anything to the outpost at level 1...

[dense wyvern]

I just gave some old batteries yeah.

[orchid pilot]

iirc it accepts Yazhen A

[gaunt knoll]

As far as I've seen you can compact it down to two Crucibles used. Each makes Xircon at half rate and you can then combine the belts

[dense wyvern]

Yeah it does.

[orchid pilot]

and yeah if you still have LC batts kicking around

[viscid plover]

you make 2 crucible and send them into the next one
and that one take the ferrium powder to make xircon

[scarlet cipher]

Ugh, I'll have to figure out how to make Yazhen A without messing everything else up 😛

[quartz pagoda]

thats what i tried, didnt worked

[prisma hazel]

hi 1 water source is for 4 facilities usually right (2 sec production)?

[quartz pagoda]

i see thanks, i was hoping there was another solution. i'll do that

[quartz pagoda]

1 Pump for 2 Facilities

[dense wyvern]

At full efficiency you'll still be building up some heavy xiranite because Hetonite is very slow.

[orchid pilot]

we have 6 streams of cupr, yazhen a is pretty straightforward, just eats 4 cupr.
If you're making one full line, you can only allocate 2 streams to hetonite. Or you can do 2/4, etc.
Once you have the outpost leveled up to 2, I would recommend switching to full hetonite, which should be more futureproof.

[earnest pier]

10 seconds of crafting is pure pain

[sick basin]

Pretty normal more like

[viscid plover]

2 left one enter the right one

[dense wyvern]

I guess if you going full efficiency and using water treatment for green liquid you can use the excess Xiranite for batteries to sell during level 1 outpost.

[earnest pier]

btw pro tip its not a bad idea to set up simple productions lines for basic parts to craft new facilities

because your gonna need more of those later on (or you blueprint farming)

[quartz pagoda]

2 at half rate is more space and energy efficient

[sick basin]

Ye we have hundreds dont worry

[gaunt knoll]

Meanwhile my factory is messy as hell and I knew this would be the patch I would suffer from it but I have to ask: how far can the complexity of a Xiranite line be reduced? Cause in just thinking about it it seems any time I try to limit number of facilities used (and offloading parts of it elsewhere with more space, all I do is increase number of inputs and thus take up more space

[dense wyvern]

Considering how much space we have in Wuling, I separate most of the part production with assembly line yeah.

Except crucible stuff.

[earnest pier]

I just copy and paste Kystin blueprints and call it a day

besides basic parts

[solid python]

Embrace the spaghetti

[orchid pilot]

??? where'd you find this? lol

[dense wyvern]

Wuling AIC design is really annoying.

[viscid plover]

see the thing is, im doing the hetonite in the same setup, is that the basis you're comparing in?

[gaunt knoll]

Does it have to be Jincao/Yazhen plant set-up into one Refine, and then two shreds, then two grinds into two refines into the forge?

Is there nothing simpler?

[dense wyvern]

Uhh...

[viscid plover]

literally yellow liquid here

[gaunt knoll]

I know that I do have one Yazhen powder line left over from the syringe line that can be made into carbon powder but the math on that doesn't work nicely

[dense wyvern]

Not sure what you're talking about. Carbon?

[gaunt knoll]

Yes

[quartz pagoda]

im saying having 2 crucibles working at half effiency each = 100% effiency
same as 100% efficiency for 3 crucibles you have, with less crucibles = less space and less energy consumption

[scarlet cipher]

Anyone have a good Yazhen A blueprint? Google keeps giving me stupid C no matter how I try to word the search

[dense wyvern]

I shred into powder first personally. Then Refine.

[orchid pilot]

curious to see the calcs, I came up with different time to clog depot... are you burning xira for components?

[sick basin]

I mean...im sorry but thats incredibly simple as is

Its nit even pipes or loopbacks
Just, a line forward

[viscid plover]

yea if you're only building xicron and nothing else you are correct

[quartz pagoda]

this is my most compact xiranite build so far, it could be smaller if the electric pylons had +1 reach

[static isle]

this doesn't include the plant facs itself no?

[quartz pagoda]

care to elaborate?

nop

[atomic prairie]

It's not a blueprint, but I think it's simple enough to remake by eye. I have half of my copper sewage going to my battery production, and half going to treatment.

[quartz pagoda]

i do my planting at Sky Kings Flat, they need farms, they need food.

[dense wyvern]

Sky King Flat is my farm too.

[orchid pilot]

Thanks for running and sharing these calcs!!
I did my own version because I wanted to figure out baseline material values and added values. Sharing in case you find it helpful; came to same conclusion of metax dense ori for sc batt being optimal and hetonite part = equivalent med A + med C

(sorry! forgot to hit paste!! see darkmode spreadsheet screenshot a few messages below)

[viscid plover]

@quartz pagoda i thought you read the msg

[dense wyvern]

I just have units of farm.

[gaunt knoll]

[static isle]

I copied this but this is fully self-sufficient 90/s xiranite
you can fit 2 of these inside one sub-PAC

[orchid pilot]

extremely funny to me that bottling the leftover ferrium into med C may be worth less than the power consumption, if so, literally better to just leave it capped once finished stocking all ferrium derivatives
haven't considered power yet, should be relatively easy to compare the two purple approaches by checking the diff facilities

[dense wyvern]

Then as much carbon lines as I need.

[quartz pagoda]

i did, it is not as self explanatory as yyou might believe so i dont get what you mean. how does that change anything?

[dense wyvern]

My factory is a lot of copy paste.

[scarlet cipher]

Aha, finally found one good grief why was Google so stupid about that particular thing

[dense wyvern]

And then some random unga bunga when pipes are involved.

[gaunt knoll]

Ok this I can do, I'll just have to offload the farms somewhere else

[static isle]

copy pasting is fine if you understand what you're copying

[dense wyvern]

Kinda wished there was a 'mirror' option that works for pipes too.

[atomic prairie]

I currently have half of my heavy xirinite production being split off to make filled bottles for exploration. I'm guessing 4.5k filled bottles is enough?

[viscid plover]

oh pardon me, so if you build hetonite with xicron you can use fewer crucible
maybe im wrong and i'm willing to be proven wrong

[gaunt knoll]

I try not to do blueprint copies as part of the enjoyment is the factorio brain hurt

[scarlet cipher]

May be half efficiency though? I'm unsure... Though maybe that's fine anyways

[quartz pagoda]

barely enough

[dense wyvern]

I don't do blueprints. I make a few lines then copy paste.

[fervent lodge]

someone should make blueprint AI generator

[solid python]

My main Wuling AIC

[atomic prairie]

The only blueprints I use are grow units because you need so damn many of them in Wuling.

[viscid plover]

right now im using total of 8 crucible to make 60 xicron, 6 heavy xiranite, 15 hetonite and 30 cuprium yazhen bottle /min

[subtle finch]

what rates are we talking here?

[lone plover]

Is manually transferring V4 batteries to Wuling still worth the effort after the new patch amped up the power consumption to around 5k (for me, including ziplines and turrets)

[uneven aspen]

im running 1 thermal bank of HC valley, at max depot should last 31 days

[reef dagger]

does anyone have a setup for NO hetonite components at all? I already have more than I need

[uneven aspen]

valley is producing 3.5/min of HC valley excess for me so I can run 2 thermals if needed

[subtle finch]

just send the hetonite parts straight to depot?

[dense wyvern]

Not really worth it unless you're behind.

[solid python]

Just put a protocol stash between the component factory

[reef dagger]

yeah fair

[viscid plover]

space efficiency

[static isle]

xd

[uneven aspen]

just keep them as parts then?

you need quite a few to replace the essences with teh new towers

[viscid plover]

everyone so efficient with their space

[prisma hazel]

do SC wuling take 2 skyforge for optimal?

[dense wyvern]

Not me.

[static isle]

yes
1x SC fac require 2 xira

[viscid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-son-vegeta-vs-gif-8918415308857516533

if you know the meme

[orchid pilot]

baseline 2 battB + 0.75 heto + 1 heavy + 1 xira
instead of metatransfer ferrium, metatransfer dense ori, run as much of a battB line as possible off that dense ori (roughly 1/5th of a line, assuming inert is recycled)
because we "lost" the 25 of 115, now 90 - 60 (2batts) - 22.5 (heto) - 8.25 (partial batt) = only 8.75/min ferrium leftover, equivalent to 7% utilization on a med C line

[tall tangle]

space inefficiency. first try with new toys

[dense wyvern]

[lone plover]

yeah currently its 2 x 2 skyforges for 2 SC bat lines and then the remaining 4 for Heavy Xiranite. Once Hetonite parts fill up you can switch the skyforges over to more bats I guess

esp. since you can subsidize effectively 60 originium/min with metatransfer, double the other ores

[tender thistle]

Done with all my batteries and xircon, time to start working with acid!

[subtle finch]

i did some calculating earlier

[prisma hazel]

thx ill just do SC first i havent unlock the oily land

[orchid pilot]

ok, let's finish the power calculation
that ~7% of a med C line is ~1.17 stock bills
that ~1.17 bills is ~2% of an SC battery
that ~2% of an SC battery is 69 power
costs more than 69 power to run a med C line (farm loop 30, shredder 5, reactor 50, already over before refine, fit, mould)

EDIT: NEVER MIND, BADLY MISCALCULATED

[orchid pilot]

oh nice lemme take a look to see if I understand

[viscid plover]

das crazy man, you could use converger to combine those pipe fr

[dense wyvern]

There's actually a bunch of convergers in there.

[lone plover]

Reminder that Pipes can transfer 2/sec. Pumps make 1/sec and buildings generally consume 0.5/sec for fluids.

[uneven aspen]

why 5 crucibles?

shouldn't it be 4 for 2 xircon and that's it?

[viscid plover]

one purify machine can take input from 4 crucible
you can cut one out

[tender thistle]

That thick water pipe is bringing in 90/m water

[gaunt knoll]

Actually wait looking at this, I see the sandleaf shred but what are you doing bout the third output

Just letting it clog it?

[sudden kelp]

what do i do with the excess acid from making hetonite?

is there a way to dispose it?

[quartz pagoda]

yes, it wont get wasted anyway. It wont interfere with any process either.
i have 9 Sandleaf outputs but only 8 farms, and still have leftovers

[dense wyvern]

I mean, for now it works at full efficiency so I can't be bothered to mess with it.

Maybe if they give use enough Cuprium to make a fully efficient line I might work on it.

[viscid plover]

that's how i feel too

[dense wyvern]

[tender thistle]

That last one on the right is for the extra xircon for the 1.25SC Bats

[uneven aspen]

you have extra originum for it?

[dense wyvern]

So annoying having just 6 cuprium lines when you need 8 to make fully efficient Hetonite production.

[uneven aspen]

i went LC battery route 😔

[dense wyvern]

Would've made it much easier to use the sewage too if it was full efficiency.

[viscid plover]

12 skyforge and 8 cuprium is the final form bet

i already have a mental blueprint for it

[tender thistle]

I'm meta transferring dense origium cubes so running on that, cz I don't wanna make any yazhen stuff I won't need more than 90/m ferrium

[dense wyvern]

Final Form is unlimited turrets

[orchid pilot]

depending on your setup, you can loop it if it successfully clogs only in the reactors but not the purifier. Hikarin has a setup like this, look for their post in blueprint channel if interested. Be sure to watch it to make sure it's functioning as intended because I sure don't know why it works, and if it were to stop working (clog propagate back to the purifier as one might exepct), it would shut down your hetonite line

alternatively, you can dump it back to the pool with fluid supply unit

[subtle finch]

@orchid pilot someone said earlier to only make medC when you're capped on ferrium and that made more sense
we assume the production power cost for it needs to be on all the time, which it doesn't need to be

[brave dock]

Guys

[viscid plover]

turrets but no tower defense during 1.2

[brave dock]

How do we clean sewage again?

[dense wyvern]

Water Treatment Plant

[viscid plover]

literally got robbed of 5% outpost currency

[orchid pilot]

That makes a lot more sense

Thank you!!

[brave dock]

Damn i thought it's the purification

[dense wyvern]

Dump it back into the pool with the dispenser thing.

[sudden kelp]

i thought i was missing somehting since i thought the fluid supply unit wouldnt work with acid since its linked with the t1 pump

[orchid pilot]

I would have thought the same. I didn't try it myself but friends told me they're doing that

[sudden kelp]

How many forges are yall having making xiranite compared to heavy xiranite?

[subtle finch]

7-1

[brave dock]

F U C K

So many shit to build for heavy xiranite

[orchid pilot]

There's no other sustainable solution

you can temporarily alternate 7-1 and 6-2 but it's a lot to micromanage

[quartz pagoda]

i have 7 for the same thing, tho i should have 2 less than you...

[brave dock]

F U C K

I have to build SC Batteries to sustain my power

[orchid pilot]

...were you not already making SCs?

[subtle finch]

[orchid pilot]

also, it's much easier now

[brave dock]

No

[wanton hound]

Can someone tell me what is throttling my Xircon production?

[orchid pilot]

now you just feed everything into one reactor, plop two of them, and that's your line (with a purifier collecting the inert from all 4)

whereas before it was four lines of 5 reactors each

[brave dock]

So basically it goes like this:

• I want Hetonite, I need xiranite
• I want xiranite, I need power
• I want power, I need SC
• I want SC, I need Zircon

[orchid pilot]

you forgot to take sewage out of the last one

[orchid pilot]

^ missed the reply button

[uneven aspen]

bottom right crucible has no sewage line

[orchid pilot]

oh sorry

now I see it's there but empty

oh

it's not connected

you built the line but it's missing the connection from the reactor

[uneven aspen]

you can also just get this done with 4 expanded crucibles instead of 6 crucibles

[prisma hazel]

1 water treatment only for 1 facility or can be more guys?

[brave dock]

Guys do we still need Cryston?

Or Cuprium

[orchid pilot]

1 water treatment handles 1 per 2sec or 0.5/sec or 30/min, i.e. one direct line out from refiner

[wanton hound]

I think i literally just did that but it was still not producing max, is it possible to be at 60 production?

[orchid pilot]

yes, you're supposed to be at 60 xircon

[viscid plover]

sorry but i don't believe you, how do you make 15 hetonite with 3 crucible? can you show prove?

[orchid pilot]

btw you can simplify by putting everything into one reactor and running it at half rate, then you use 4 reactors total

[uneven aspen]

0 amythest in wuling so far so cryston is not usable

[wanton hound]

its saying theoretical is 60 so do I just let it run or still clogged?

[quartz pagoda]

I use 2, the other one is for the Yazhen

[orchid pilot]

@wanton hound @brave dock

see image above

that's all you need for 2 xircon

feed to 2 pkg for batteries

note xiranite is done off site obviously

and this is not intended to be optimal space allocation, just slapped together

[brave dock]

Do we still need Cuprium

[viscid plover]

what am i missing how can you make 4 cuprium solution with only 2 crucible

[glossy sequoia]

can any1 throw some light on this ?

[orchid pilot]

I suggest you revise to the 4 reactor setup for power savings, but if you want to run your setup you can, but you need the sewage recycle on your right half connected - it's empty so that's why your xircon has dropped to half

[orchid pilot]

if that conduit is fed with 1 pump or more, that is fine

if 1 pump is feeding 2 conduits, that is not fine

[glossy sequoia]

ty

[wanton hound]

thats what I dont get, each sewage thing is connected to a cuprium refinery but they dont fill up fast enough

[viscid plover]

anyone else in here know how to make 4 cuprium solution with only 2 crucible?

[orchid pilot]

pump is 1/s, refiner uses 0.5/s, pipe/conduit can handle up to 2/s (double for the double conduit)

[viscid plover]

i'll like to be enlighten

[quartz pagoda]

the highlited pipe is for the acid, i still have to bring it from western wuling all the way to my Main PAC, it's wnat im about to do right now

[quartz pagoda]

1 normal crucible + 1 new crucible > purifier > back to new crucible

[orchid pilot]

just curious, going back to yours, where are you doubling up the yazhen solution?

[storm garnet]

You can't make the same recipe more than once per machine

[orchid pilot]

ohhh thanks

duh, I forgot those acid reactors are doing nothing LOL

didn't bother colocating because I'll just use 2x 50 instead

[hardy jacinth]

you can just dump it back into the lake to get rid of it

[viscid plover]

that's just 2 cuprium solution

[quartz pagoda]

yes, its working at 50% effiency, and the Yazhen [A] is working at 50% effiency too

[wanton hound]

What am I doing wrong? the cuprium should be 1 waste per 2 seconds and the xircon effluent needs 1 per 2 seconds as well but it still gets sleepy?

[viscid plover]

lol

[lusty violet]

what does the inside of refinery look like

[uneven aspen]

cuprium refined to x? then depoted?

[viscid plover]

@quartz pagoda here manage to make 4 cuprium solution with only 2 crucible so im just wondering how is all

[uneven aspen]

maybe that item x is full in the depot

[lusty violet]

hmm if it's not always active then it's not getting enough cup ore

[viscid plover]

the recipe need 4

[orchid pilot]

question is why is your refiner sleepy too

[wanton hound]

I have no clue

[lusty violet]

you can't get 2/s cup sol with only 2 crucibles

[storm garnet]

Yep, you need 4 crucible to meet the purifier demands

[wanton hound]

I have 0 cuprium in depot wtf

[lusty violet]

that'd do it, what's your yield and usage?

[wanton hound]

im cooked

[quartz pagoda]

isnt 15 Hetonite/minute working at 50% effiency? 2 Cuprium solution > 1 Hetonite Solution.
Thats what im doing. Yazhen working with 2 Cuprium lines so 50% efficiency too.

[storm garnet]

It's just you can use 1 expanded in place of one if those 4 to also make hetonite

[orchid pilot]

delete two of your lines and you're good lol

[wanton hound]

man i gotta figure out what waste lines theyre collected to now

[storm garnet]

To get 15/min you need 4 reactors making cuprium solution

[viscid plover]

2 cuprium solution is 25% efficiency

[storm garnet]

30/min need 8

[orchid pilot]

More important isn't the waste line, find where you're feeding cuprium

[storm garnet]

Feeding 2 purifiers

[orchid pilot]

the only things to make rn are either meds or hetonite

so that's where your cuprium refiners are, most likely

[silver steppe]

im next but i do it on purpose to get as much hetonite components as i can atm

[orchid pilot]

you need 6 lines, not 8

[orchid pilot]

I'll also urge you one last time to revise your SC battery setup as yours unnecessarily uses 200 extra power from the extra reactors.

[viscid plover]

and we can't make hetonite at 100% right now when we only have 6 line of cuprium
we need 8 for it

[wanton hound]

I have 6 lines refining it for parts but idk what to remove without bricking myself

[uneven aspen]

the theory usage shows 240/min so you have 2 more somewhere else

[orchid pilot]

^

[wanton hound]

yeah 6 at marker stone and 2 at wuling city

[uneven aspen]

so you have 2 extra

[storm garnet]

Trying to have the cake and eat it

[wanton hound]

Ik that but idk what to remove

[silver steppe]

huh?

[orchid pilot]

the only place you need the refining onsite is with your SC battery lines, need 2 feeding sewage
the other 4 you can put wherever you want
obviously, you can only have 6

[wanton hound]

Whats peoples refined cuprium look like on AIC report?

[quartz pagoda]

yeah i got confused there and made the same 25% i had before tearing down my whole factory today. need to add 2 more belts

[orchid pilot]

same flatline because we're using 180 constantly, but not because our depots are empty and attempting to overdraw

[ionic pollen]

Can someone tell me how to acquire the "Experimental Xiranite Part"? Description says it's "made by processing Xiranite during a special period".

[viscid plover]

from what's said if you need to add 2 more crucible to reach 15 hetonite/min means you need 9 crucible at that point

[orchid pilot]

Yes, it's mentioned in the 1.2 preview stream video (though wording is slightly ambiguous) and also on their social media post

[orchid pilot]

bruh

you're about to have the same exact issue as GeorgeE

get rid of two of your refiners or you're gonna crash your cuprium

[silver steppe]

i know i just have to switch 2 off for restack

[orchid pilot]

ok, if intentional, play your way 👍

[silver steppe]

then i will get less batteries for some days but idc

or i pause the hetonite parts

[wanton hound]

this is bs im just going to find someone with updated blueprints

[silver steppe]

https://talospioneers.com/de/blueprints/01kphmjqy7646s6d0314ts21ew

not sure if this would help

[orchid pilot]

@silver steppe

[wanton hound]

Anyone got a good vid with blueprints anywhere? I give up

[ionic pollen]

Nevermind I found it. Experimental parts become available on 5/14

[orchid pilot]

we suspect those are for the event, starting ~11d from patch open

is there some official source saying they're part of the test area second half of 1.2?

[ionic pollen]

Sort of. I believe they're a part of the "Curious Use of Xiranite" event.

[orchid pilot]

"AIC Production Event"

I believe the precedent for Guide Event has been missions that you just redeem rewards for

see the current "Subduer" as an example

[random estuary]

Is there a way to "slow" a pipe down?
I have. Some sewage going into a reactor crucible. And it is too much and will clog
So I have a sewage disposal on the back side to clear the clog. But now the disposal is too fast, and sewage doesn't sit in the reactor long enough to. React before getting cleaned out.

Are there logic gates in AIC?

[wanton hound]

cant you use a splitter and combiner so 1/3 gets dipsosed rather than 1/2?

[orchid pilot]

here's the relevant timestamp from 1.2 video on the AIC event
https://www.youtube.com/live/tMFGowIF8eA?si=9lixtX5Shy0lBwrG&t=2484

[ionic pollen]

"limited time" he says. So it sounds like you need your xiranite and heavy xiranite ready or you'll miss making the new stuff

[orchid pilot]

yup, though the game is geared toward casual audience - I expect it to be fairly tame

i.e., rewards capped, and not requiring pre-stockpile

but yes, in general it seems sensible to stock up on heavy xiranite and hetonite

the formulas have already been datamined; they were part of the patch

you can take a look for yourself here, "L" hotkey to open recipe browser; if you search xira, a bunch will pop up
https://enka.network/endfield/aic/

[brave dock]

Guys where can I dump excess water

[ionic pollen]

back in the pool you took it from

[brave dock]

It's too far

[native laurel]

guess who found a new fly bug

[brave dock]

I'll just return it to the pipelines

[silver steppe]

6 out of 8 could turned off 2 more but it will stop ONLY my hetonite factory

doesnt affect batteries

[wanton hound]

Are people using LC or SC batteries?

[silver steppe]

im crafting LC but i've also shorted my power usage with D.I.G.E

https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en

[ionic pollen]

I'm using one prod line of SC. I've dropped LC

[mighty yacht]

is it better to have 7 lines of xira or just 6?

[silver steppe]

im at 210/210 with max outcome on hetonite components

[ionic pollen]

we're going to get an event with special materials from xir soon so prolly 7

[wanton hound]

thats what i thought,, i cant find a damn video with good factory setup, I wiped my factories and started following a video but theyre 1 line of each battery?

[mighty yacht]

i just spent like 6 hours making a compact 6 xir box

[ionic pollen]

they probably want to get some extra profit from their lc production

[silver steppe]

i have copied this on my jingyu valley all i had to do was to adjust the water pumps and im fine https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1495017763100692523

[ionic pollen]

but tbh you're going to want 1 SC line, one hetonite line, and a bunch of xiranite and heavy xirantire lines. You're going to use the xir and hvy xir soon

[wanton hound]

I forgot Jingyu even had an outpost lol

[silver steppe]

batteries running on both sites paused meds aswell cause of hetonite

[silver steppe]

just copied the battery production and outsourced xiranite to jingyu

its nice loop produce components at max > restock > produce components at max, keeps me motivated

[spice oriole]

Hey guys I’m looking for someone willing to help me out or give me some advice keep in mind that I’m slow when it comes to factory’s

[silver steppe]

for beginning: everything you can sell to the outposts to sell it to level it up

later only high value products

[mighty yacht]

with the new copium mines plus purity increase can we get 12/min A syringes?

[random estuary]

Almost worked. 50% too fast,
33% just a tad too slow.
It's probably 40% but I don't want to do the math to prove it. And then splitter merger to get there ....

[mighty yacht]

or only somewhere around 9-10?

[spice oriole]

How make this Hetonite component

[uneven aspen]

you want 120/m cuprium for 6/m syringe A, so 180/m cuprium rn is only 9/m syringe A.

[mighty yacht]

ty

[silver steppe]

only 12 batteries with hetonite components off

[keen river]

i think this sort of spoils whats its going to be

pretty much produce 800k of something

i guess the certs are exchanged for items factory makes like outpost stocks

[silver steppe]

restocked to max in ~14 hours and then continue the loop

[silver steppe]

they can come im fully prepared 😄

[keen river]

still a long wait

but there is this space event next week at least

[gaunt knoll]

We still only have enough cuprum for the one Yazhen line right?

Assuming you're using the new spots for Hetonite

[keen river]

yeah, although you dont really want to make al ot of yazhen anymore

[gaunt knoll]

I'll phase it out when I see it be truly inefficient seeing we can only have the one heavy Xira line rn

[silver steppe]

did anyone know you can have 8 water pumps in jungyu? 😄

[nova hound]

I just need help getting batteries

[split yoke]

hey 180 raw cuprium is the max right?

[prisma hazel]

we dont need 2 input xircon?

[ruby sorrel]

wait why don't you have the trim req on there?

[keen river]

no clue

ah

it only shows in the expanded menu

[pure egret]

how can i make this better?

its slow

[keen river]

well

you just need to scale it up

its good overall, you just made it small

[ruby sorrel]

throw more things at it

hmm I should test my hetonite setup if it actually works, or do I leave it as a surprise for when event starts up

[orchid pilot]

tbf if you check the video, I'm pretty sure they defined this trade-in currency name already, so not much of a spoiler
but good catch that it's already in there!
if only we knew the conversion rates, lol

as I said though, I expect it to be casual oriented and not concerning

[ruby sorrel]

well based on the trim req it's either significantly less than 20k jade gourd's worth or you can sell precursors to that thing

[ivory glen]

Is there a way to just dump out water, im purifying my inert xircon effluent bu i dont care for the water it produces

[ionic pollen]

send it back to the lake

[ivory glen]

Is there a machine that spews it out?

[ruby sorrel]

nice my heto seems to actually work with no funny business

[ionic pollen]

yeah the one with that 45 degree angle pipe, i think

[ivory glen]

Thanks ill try that

[ionic pollen]

It's how people fill up that big hole in Wuling City with xiranite fluid

[river wadi]

i think i will fill it with heavy liquid xiranite

[keen river]

im curious how this event will work, but shall see soon

i dont think new map will have aic core, so thats another interesting thing

also if i recall

[ruby sorrel]

funny looking graph from testing pass throughs seem kinda sus.... downstream has to clog before stuff get's used in earlier crucibles

[orchid pilot]

Yeah I remain very puzzled about how they are expecting players to put the sewage into the wall at the new map

[keen river]

yeah

i mean, we can drag the pipeline across whole map, but then we will need to drag another one back

and this map isnt even in partiuclarly accessible place

[orchid pilot]

yeah

[mighty yacht]

they anounced the new area already?

[keen river]

yeah

its already in game even, just not open yet

[mighty yacht]

o danm

where?

[ruby sorrel]

they need to give us superconduits cus I don't have space for dragging things over in main wuling map

[keen river]

this black blob here

you can see the buildings of new map from monitoring center

[glossy sequoia]

Is it possible to remove the excess ferrium powder ?

[keen river]

entrance is here, but there is rock in a way right now

all of this from the version preview is the new map too

i thought some of it might be in marker's stone, but none appeared there

and then there is this mysterious thing

[mighty yacht]

isnt the caption literally statig what it is tho

[keen river]

3 pipes of sewage in, 1 pipe of xircon effluent out

well yeah i mean

we know what this is

but how we are going to make use of it remains to be seen

[mighty yacht]

imagine instead of a patch of land we finally get an actual factory building

[keen river]

especially with most of the processing now moved to the Marker Stone due to acid presence

and dragging pipe from there is like impossibru tier annoyance

[uneven aspen]

I have all towers powered up by the essences, farm is back up as well.

Looks like a bunch of unused fluid pumps, acid feedback from purification so no fluid supply unit needed, and removing 2 purification units and a crucible was enough. 😔

[ruby sorrel]

well we still have 4 sewage from cuprium so if it's same ratio it'd be another free 30/m effluent so we can still have a spare 30/min xiranite with the +4 forge we're supposed to be getting from there, it'll be completely useless though with nowhere to sell all this extra stuff

[keen river]

yeah

[ruby sorrel]

ig if it's free sewage treatment it'd save 200 power

[keen river]

there is also a question if this map will have resources nodes

[ruby sorrel]

at best it'd be min purity cus there's no + purity for it in rdm

maybe this new thing will eat heavy xira though

[keen river]

assuming its 30/m effluent bonus and 4 more forges its like ~1.5 line of heavy xira

or the xircon or whatever it was called earlier version

butr we cant really consume that without more originum

[ruby sorrel]

yeah just assume the new glowing tree will require the 4 new forges somehow

[keen river]

and then tangtang missed the outpost upgrade day too..

i guess thats possible

[swift steppe]

There was a mention of a larger sewage treatment system coming later, also

[keen river]

the fog in wuling is super oppressive tho

i think this is the best image of new map we can get

[latent kayak]

How're you guys splitting up your forges? Are you committing everything to 2 heavy xiranite lines, or 1 heavy xira + 2 zircon + 1 lc battery?

[keen river]

i have one heavy xiranite forge

and other 7 making normal xiranite

[ruby sorrel]

I'm just dumping my extra xiranite from only running 1 heavy

[latent kayak]

Hmm alright that's what I settled on too, thanks peeps

[sacred berry]

i think the most ideal setup will be 4 forge for heavy(3 normal supplying 1 forge for heavy), 4 for xircon line for batteries

[ruby sorrel]

there's extra if you purify which is good for comps

[solid python]

Heavy Xiranite uses 3 Forges (assuming you're using Purification units)

[latent kayak]

4, three for normal xira, one for heavy

[wispy grove]

nahhh

[keen river]

well to be exact

i have 7 forges making normal xiranite that is then distributed around

[swift steppe]

I've got roughly 1x Heavy Xiranite, and everything else on normal Xiranite I think

[keen river]

heavy forge gets 2 belts of xiranite and effluent from the recycling unit

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

dangg my mouse aint mousing

[sacred berry]

ah yeah if youre using that, then only 3, leaving 1 forge free

[keen river]

yeah

[wispy grove]

this is my total yield

[sacred berry]

if only we can get more cupriums, sigh, even if we optimize the heavy xiranite part, the cupriums are just, oof

[keen river]

you can only run the new component factory at like 0.8 efficiency

if you commit all copium to it

just hope new map has more resource nodes

[sacred berry]

tho i wonder, will it be enough for 2 outposts if we just rely on 2 SC battery production lines, ignoring syringe and just dedicate the cupriums for heavy xiranite and hetonite

[keen river]

[prisma hazel]

why 2 left side got less water
do pipe lenght matter

[uneven aspen]

new area = atleast 4 more mines

[shut hearth]

Man i really am out of touch for this game now... when was this announced?

[keen river]

oh nice