aic-factory

[vast iron]

yes.

[tawny shadow]

maybe you can stay in the middle? and let the mobs gets flown away?

[vast iron]

the mist enemies have aoe damage tho?

[tawny shadow]

or maybe it will sends every mobs toward you

[vast iron]

if they get killed in the middle you mgiht take a big hit

[trim star]

i finished my long walk

for those of you wondering why i didnt stretch my pipes out

i dont like seeing pipes

despite it being obviously better

xd

[shell hinge]

Meanwhile I'm using bottles to move sewage

[hoary crag]

lmao atp I'd just do fillling + separating units

[quartz pagoda]

so 3 Deluge from different sides to keep them centered?
2 to 3 Marsh. the Acid ones have no slow i guess
2 Fraggers in a corner... i dont get it. Guess you dont push them to the center but along the way to take them to that spot? like a C shape
4 Acid instead of Grenades for DPS. Are they AoE like Grenades or single like Snipers?
4 Beams are your usual setup or is it just for the new area?

[shell hinge]

Conduits sadly won't work for me

[tawny shadow]

then avoid the alluvium that has those suicide types enemies

[balmy solar]

Any1 got bps for best stock bill+new comp production?

[tawny shadow]

[trim star]

using deluge to push enemies to a center requires more than 3 deluge towers, which is bad, and also their ranges are really hard to deal with

by using fraggers to "cover" the corner that an enemy spawns already and then simply using deluge to shove them over there it's much more efficient and you get to use two fraggers

which is a ton of damage

4 beams because i HATE tidalklast

[vast iron]

i think forges are the tallest towers but no one using forges to box an alluvium lol

[trim star]

acid are aoe towers

they do horrifically high damage

[vast iron]

doesnt it have lightning res tho

[trim star]

but despite being an "upgrade" to the marsh gas they dont have the lingering aoe

[vast iron]

i dont think it has anything to do with marsh gas

its not a mk2

[quartz pagoda]

and the slow?

[crimson inlet]

the pain of making this work

[trim star]

yeah but it kinda

doesnt matter anyways

[vast iron]

c is like 20% no

or higher

[trim star]

yeah 20% vs 10%

[vast iron]

oh

[trim star]

you dont play tower defense like elemental rock paper scissors

[vast iron]

B is the scary one right right

[trim star]

in fact it just doesnt matter anyways

hyper beam has so much dps and it targets strong

[vast iron]

good thing it wont sink its laser into the 1hp ad

[trim star]

one shot from the beam is ~28k damage? iirc

[vast iron]

thats like triple the old one wtf

[quartz pagoda]

(Use Antal for electric susceptibility)

[vast iron]

ok

[trim star]

it's something like 5k per tick

i forgot exact numbers

it's very strong

[vast iron]

unsurprisingly

i still want to do all mortars tho

[trim star]

lemme quickly record my wuling city funnel setup because that one is tuned basically to perfection

[shell hinge]

How much power are full 1.2 bases using roughly?

[vast iron]

im 4.4k

[quartz pagoda]

with floor grid plz

[tawny shadow]

congrats!
you can actually send those red and yellow liq from one reactor to another before reacing purif (don't store more than 4 liqs at once tho)
to save the pain from managing pipes

[shell hinge]

My setup untuned seems to be around 7-7.3k

[vast iron]

wh-wha

[ruby sorrel]

do you just have dozens of unused buildings

[unreal laurel]

remind me where does acid go in the crafting tree

[trim star]

this is by far the easiest one to set up a funnel for because the enemies spawn in a square shape

[vast iron]

acid + powder

its just better water

[quartz pagoda]

wow that looks so nice
steals your build *

[unreal laurel]

what powder?

[fervent lodge]

the only game where you have to actually go to the factory and spend an entire shift fucking with complex machinery so your waifu can wear pretty gear

[shell hinge]

If I turn off future builds I get down to around 6.7k

[valid gazelle]

when i needed tower i put it to 50, and when i switched the number didnt change... so i have a ton of buildings laying around..

[trim star]

you can tell it's old because im using 15 sentries

[trim star]

friend me i can share all relevant towers

[vast iron]

0 visual change

[crimson inlet]

I'll plan on doing that

[vast iron]

not that the gear looks good anyways

[crimson inlet]

since the top crucibles can be connected

[unreal laurel]

suffering

[shell hinge]

Could you show a full run? I'd like to see how many medical turrets are required for full afk

[fervent lodge]

hey at least it works on mobile... kinda

[unreal laurel]

does the acid tree intersect with the cuprium tree?

[trim star]

lemme replace towers around and see how fast the two final enemies die

[quartz pagoda]

sure let me enter the game i dont know my UID

[trim star]

iirc this was already good enough for me to full afk and come back with it finished at full hp

[shell hinge]

My factory is built to cover event+ 1.2 part 2 with speculative production options and 12 forges

[unreal laurel]

?

[crimson inlet]

You make the factory for gears, I make the factory for 24k karat chubby lung

[tawny shadow]

I'm kinda curious.. what did you use the last 30 xiranite for?
did you really manage to make that 13.25 sc / min with under 4.5k power?

[crimson inlet]

we're not the same

[quartz pagoda]

yes for the Cuprium Solution

[vast iron]

you cant, not enough orignium

[crimson inlet]

I think I need to buy ornamentals as abstract markers for conduits

[vast iron]

the last 30 is very awkward you cant really do anything with it

[unreal laurel]

so i either carry acid all the way to the main aic or i do my cuprium at the new sub pac

[tawny shadow]

you can metastorage dense originium..
that's like additional 3k originium / hours

[vast iron]

i think most people just sell it raw

[shell hinge]

You can, metatransfer

[tawny shadow]

but tbh it looks like a pain to build the fifth reactor

[unreal laurel]

for 25/min

the audacity

[quartz pagoda]

you know... you can just send Cuprium to your stash and use a Depot Unloader at the new site

[vast iron]

50 -> 12.5 xircon -> 25 xiranite

[shell hinge]

In practice, the 20 extra xiranite is for comps

[vast iron]

a bit of overflow still

wait no

its half of that

12.5 xiranite used

[unreal laurel]

thats what i meant by doing my cuprium at the new subpac

[trim star]

hold on pog is trolling my runs

rage

[tawny shadow]

nah you only need like 10+ xir maybe?
i forgot the math

[shell hinge]

It's a lot better than other metatransfer options at 2.7 bills per item

Ferrium ore is 0.8 for comparison

[unreal laurel]

is there only 1 new ore node.......

WTF

[vast iron]

my plans is to make

a single forge heavy xiranite

still a work in progress tho

[quartz pagoda]

i had that problem. 1 SC line and 1 LC line. 1 SC Generator and 2 LC generators.
Probably not the most optimal, but it worked for me

[unreal laurel]

you mean a triple forge?

[vast iron]

no

im going to multi on a single forge

[unreal laurel]

are you insane

[vast iron]

how did you guess

[quartz pagoda]

you dont have to do the cuprium there, you could just send the refined cuprium there

[vast iron]

have you seen the shit ive made already

[trim star]

what if i placed my beam in a better spot

trol

[unreal laurel]

so i process the cuprium at the main aic and run my pipe buffoonary there but do the acid part at the sub

[crimson inlet]

MY THINKING HAT CAN'T STOP GROWING

https://tenor.com/view/zazu-zazucoin-zazu-sol-gif-9411508918569035196

[vast iron]

if you ever question my sanity again remember this is a 1/80 splitter

actually it might be 84

[quartz pagoda]

Leicia
6635433717

[viscid plover]

is 4600+ the best price we can get for wuxia movies?

[tawny shadow]

you won't get 100% of xiranite and Hxira if you try that
the ratio of xir : Hxir will prolly revert back to 3:1 unless you stored a lot of xiranites

what's the point of doing that

🤔

[vast iron]

i want to

brain fart moments do not need justification

[quartz pagoda]

why Protocol Stash instad of Splitters?
why so much space?

Genuine questions btw

[tawny shadow]

yea but you'll also end up using more powers
from using the 8th xira facilities

[vast iron]

flexibility

its a new splitter design i came up recently

[tawny shadow]

true

[vast iron]

basically works like a slider

[tawny shadow]

just like how I want to spam mortars

[vast iron]

you can adjust the ratio by moving the belt

[tawny shadow]

instead of using the logical mix everything setup

[quartz pagoda]

interesting

[vast iron]

the protocol stashes are distance resets

[trim star]

@quartz pagoda that second guy spawns in ranged form REALLY far away from where the setup is (because the first melee form guy is more problematic) and you can see what happens because of it

either way yeah good enough to just full afk

pog can you chill out please

[vast iron]

one of the requirements of the design is that if a 1-long belt in that specific place doesnt exist

well

it explodes

trust me, i tried

why? hell i dont know either

thats the condition

[trim star]

ill shift the two beams in front of me i think that might fix it

[tawny shadow]

I feel like you'll still end up with using more powers...
but good luck
and let us know if it works

[shell hinge]

It's a quirk of the depth first pathfinding. Each belt segment contributes to pathfinding

[silent violet]

anyone made a scw battery using 2x exp reactor yet

[quartz pagoda]

so what if you put the 2 far left Beams mirroring the 2 close Beams, that way they get to attack the second big guy when it spawns

[trim star]

movement

there's a very strong laser attack that shifts it insanely far

it'll fly out of the range very fast

[vast iron]

The funny thing is the bug is actually based on clogging order between 2 priority splitters

[trim star]

if i placed the beams such that they werent "on the path" to me

he just slowly walks out of the range and they dont do anything

[vast iron]

I have no clue where you got that from but, okay

[quartz pagoda]

i see

[vast iron]

[quartz pagoda]

i'll try doing that setup tomorrow cuz i have no Hetonite Parts right now

let me turn off the gearing unit

and go to sleep

[tawny shadow]

yes.. it's actually 4 reactor for 2 sc
with 1 effluent leftover that you can use for heavy xira

some people already posted it on #1461542035617091681 iirc

[silent violet]

i meant scw 6/min

not 12

[quartz pagoda]

is Zhuang Fengyi perfect for Marker Stone Outpost? i've been unlucky with my pulls so far and im using Akekuri and changing to Da Pan when trading

[vast iron]

There is some niche interaction, probably a micro-misalignment of some kind between bent and unbent belts despite their basically synced rates that causes an offset and the clogging alternates sides based on its length

[static isle]

anyone know if there's a way to fit 6x xira cleanly into one sub-PAC

[trim star]

yes

[silent violet]

u can fit 7

[static isle]

yeah idk I'm just not using 7

[quartz pagoda]

and more if you take a deep breath

[tawny shadow]

scw = sc batt right?
or I mistook it for something else?

[silent violet]

yes

[static isle]

because I'm using inert xircon from SC for heavy xira

[trim star]

lemme shift my pylon positions a bit i think i can move the beams more inward and fix the afk

[silent violet]

2 reactors is enough to make 30/min xircon

[silent violet]

there were some designs shared here pre patch idk if they ever published them

some pretty symmetrical 6 forge subs

[tawny shadow]

yes you can.. but 12/min saves more power

[silent violet]

how so? its just 2x the 6/min design

you can maybe save a stash ig?

[tawny shadow]

you can't split purification in half

[shell hinge]

Has anyone tested 2 reactor xircon to see if it's safe below maximum production? It seems to me like it would clog on sewage due to having no sewage output

[silent violet]

you shouldnt need purification unit for scw batt

[pulsar cypress]

Fuyuharu keep the pict iirc.
Mine kinda symmetrical but kinda ugly..

[trim star]

i stood too close but this beam setup fixes full afk

big fan

[tawny shadow]

it's to save power
but if symmetrical build is what you're looking then it's different

[silent violet]

well you can do that but if you put the inert directly into heavy xira production you only need 1 unit

just a different approach

[tawny shadow]

ugh it's the same thing

[silent violet]

i meant 6/min scw without purification unit

exporting the inert

[tawny shadow]

oh sure you can

[silent violet]

to be used with https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1495071344683909161

[trim star]

i love deluge towers they're the greatest thing ever

[silent violet]

has anyone even made a standalone scw blueprint using the expanded crucible 3 recipe tech

[pastel orbit]

will there be more content to wuling AIC?

[trim star]

prob

expanded crucibles are a bit too annoying with their pipe count to do 3 recipes

the tech is like

pipe logic crying

[tawny shadow]

the devs said that we'll get 12 forge limit at the later part of 1.2
it was on last week stream iirc

[trim star]

there's no way they dont give us at least 8 lines of cuprium but it's just like

man 1.2 second half

[pulsar cypress]

Iirc not yet.
Some use yours or just edit their plants.
But haven't see anyone share the bp iirc.

[shell hinge]

We are also getting sewage reprocessing

[trim star]

id imagine being able to use sewage is a much bigger deal

[shell hinge]

Hc batteries that use liquid heavy xiranite is likely, but not confirmed for 1.2

[tawny shadow]

ya wtf I'm gonna do with these 7.5/min leftover ferrium

[ruby sorrel]

wait my spreadsheet really was broken, I should have over 800bills/hr rn crisis averted

[trim star]

should i place 15 mortars on the uh

[pulsar cypress]

Med C the easiest..

[trim star]

qingbo stockade thing

and see what happens

im doing it

qingbo stockade alluvium is like my testing grounds lol cause i never farm it

[tawny shadow]

I was thinking of med C but 3/8 med C / min feels not really worth adding more reactors..

maybe I would do it if I can fit jincao sol without adding more reactors

[shell hinge]

Does anyone here run 2 reactor xircon with self sufficient sewage?

[tawny shadow]

a lot of people do.. you got any question?

[pulsar cypress]

Me still keep using old 5 normal reactor..
Kinda lazy to tweak the pipes again..
-_-)

[shell hinge]

Has it been tested to see if it clogs on sewage when running below max capacity due to demand decrease?

That seems like a clear failure condition

[trim star]

war

funnily enough this is basically exactly enough mortars to one shot the elite it's just not viable lol

[tawny shadow]

the only reactor with enough space to put jincao on
but all the outputs are used already

[trim star]

also

[shell hinge]

What's not viable about it?

[trim star]

ouch my power

[normal prawn]

what's max yield for xiranite currently?

[trim star]

too much movement

[tawny shadow]

it's fine if it goes below max capacity
it would clog if you fill the sewage to full

[trim star]

the stockaders can run

and the mortars have evil amount of knockback

once the mortars stop shooting at the same thing/moving target it's over

[shell hinge]

What happens to sewage in the above scenario? Would it not fill up and clog?

[tawny shadow]

normally 210, but if you don't want to build Heavy xiranite then it's 240

[tawny shadow]

if it's below max capacity of sewage?
it won't clog

sewage infinitely recycle itself

you won't lose sewage

[shell hinge]

Have you considered boxing your char in the middle and relying on low ttk to avoid taking too much dmg? That way they shouldn't run away

[tawny shadow]

but you won't get a recycled sewage if the sewage is full

[hoary crag]

about to do a test run with this abomination

[shell hinge]

The scenario in question is xircon production being below max capacity due to demand decrease

[silent violet]

this should be viable right? merging 2x 0.5/s should be fine surely

[tawny shadow]

you better left those reactors turned off

[trim star]

yeah

but

yeah

[tawny shadow]

no

[trim star]

that's the issue

lol

especially in stockade

there's those flying guys

they jump at you

instantly

in marker stone there's the reviving enemies

[shell hinge]

What prevents sewage from filling up in that scenario?

[trim star]

you have to remember mortar has a whole 10s cooldown as well as firing delay

which means even if you one shot every wave you will take damage for doing so

[tawny shadow]

nothing..
let me get my screenshot

[trim star]

unless you can quite literally trap every enemy on spawn

[shell hinge]

So it will clog then?

[trim star]

(which is possible, just again not very viable)

[shell hinge]

How much power are the new turrets btw?

[hoary crag]

yeah they're all off lmao

and

[tawny shadow]

it looks like mine is at 0 sewage
but there's actually 1 sewage there

recycling itself

[hoary crag]

IT WORKS SO DAMN WELL LMAO

[trim star]

all of them are 160

[void owl]

how do i compress the heavy xir factory

[tawny shadow]

like I said before, sewage never left production

if there's a way of leaking

[shell hinge]

Constant power draw, not per shot. I always connect them to main grid

[trim star]

towere are still very

worth

[tawny shadow]

then you might run out of sewage

[trim star]

i do not enjoy doing alluviums

[tawny shadow]

the only way possible for your facility to fail to produce max xircon

[trim star]

i would much rather spend 1k power on the evil turret array

plus i usually do turn them fully off

just not in wuling

[tawny shadow]

if the sewage is full
or if there's a leak in your sewage (but there's nothing like that in this game)

[shell hinge]

This is not the scenario I described above. I am interested only in that scenario which I believe to cause this setup to fail

[shell hinge]

I agree, I just need to know how much power to set up

[void owl]

help?

[trim star]

6.24k -> 6.26k

so it's just 20

[rapid hedge]

if your xircon is at max capacity

then sell ur sc battery

[trim star]

20x45 (max turrets every area) is only 900 power

[rapid hedge]

if you can't sell ur sc battery bc not enough cred production on your outposts

[trim star]

and you dont even need to have towers on

[crimson inlet]

RAHHHH

[rapid hedge]

I don't see that as a problem

that means you're doing well

the problem of being rich..

[shell hinge]

The issue is that the sewage clog is permanent unless you manually clear it

[trim star]

bottle sewage rate limit

[shell hinge]

Without sewage output on the 2 reactor xircon setups, it can get stuck at 50 sewage

[rapid hedge]

your production will go back to how it was if you have space for xircon on your depot

[void owl]

help?

[rapid hedge]

it will fix itself if you keep the ratio constant

it will clog if you mess up with the ratio

[shell hinge]

How so? What's clearing the sewage?

[rapid hedge]

just try it without asking and see

[crimson inlet]

Now I need is to make parts and I'll be rich

[trim star]

there's probably a permastall setup that can use mortars well

it just would not ever be good against elites

acids are basically mini mortars

[scenic flower]

Nah this update made my factory bricked

[shell hinge]

Mind pinging once you find the best setup you can? I've been meaning to update my wuling and valley iv setups

[trim star]

basically the same things

replace sentries turrets with acid

im tweaking

use hyper beam for elites for their 7k per tick

[silent violet]

damn 2 reactor xircon is goated

[shell hinge]

I ran the math on it and that indicates it would clog permanently. I am asking if anyone has observed this behavior ingame

[trim star]

on defense down

[sterile stratus]

2 water treatment you don't use that liquid?

[ruby sorrel]

hmm maybe I can just stop production of medC entirely and still clear outposts save like 130 power right there 🤔

[silent violet]

you would export it to heavy xira production in reality but this setup was just for testing

[upper fiber]

please no more salvage content....

[hoary crag]

it is

[sterile stratus]

mhm k

[shell hinge]

Is this the version that runs the xircon reactor with no sewage input or output beyond setup?

[cyan forge]

Is it just me or is elastic good prices going down this week?

I feel like their cap isn't as high as it used to be

[trim star]

still annoyed that effluent purification is 4:1

[sterile stratus]

4:1 🔥

[trim star]

everything is 4:1 this update

[void owl]

how do i compress the heavy xir factory

[tawny shadow]

it's just a friend issue
I got two goods at 4.9k

[sterile stratus]

eos after 4.1 i see

[cyan forge]

That's what i meant

It used to go to 5k

Now it's like capped at 4.8 4.9

[tawny shadow]

5k is rare for wuling
are you talking about v4?

[cyan forge]

Wuling

I used to always get 5k in wuling

[silent violet]

idk im just testing rn

[cyan forge]

Til like last week

[tawny shadow]

ugh you get constant 5k goods?

[cyan forge]

Yeh

[tawny shadow]

I should get better friends

[cyan forge]

Today i got 4.6k

[tawny shadow]

[cyan forge]

Which is like

Wut the fk

[trim star]

let a man test reactors

[silent violet]

trying to see if convergers will work or if i have to have 2 separate lines

[cyan forge]

Last week i still got like 4920 or sth

[sterile stratus]

nuclear reactor when

[cyan forge]

This week is so ass

[tawny shadow]

your friends were just too good

[cyan forge]

My friends have failed me

[sterile stratus]

premium friend

[cyan forge]

Anw so

Who got 4.8k at least for this pls

[trim star]

idk i spent 15m wuling bills yesterday

[sterile stratus]

i dont

~

[cyan forge]

Am not abt to sell it for 4.6k, help me

[mellow thicket]

help, why does the left one not produce xircon, but the right side does? both are like the same. i cant seem to find the difference

[tawny shadow]

mine is 4.9k but I'm not in Asia

[sterile stratus]

for what

[trim star]

everything

[cyan forge]

NOOOOOOOI

I cri

[sterile stratus]

check right side swage

[rapid barn]

how to unlock the new sub aic in wuling? is it in the main quest?

[trim star]

i honestly have no idea what that even constitutes i just read spot the difference so there you go

[hoary crag]

@trim star I'm doing a test run without the cage, cuz it's working way too well as of now

[sterile stratus]

makes sense

[trim star]

it works it's just 10s cd + prefire is atrocious

[tawny shadow]

the all mortars set up?
vid pls I want to see chaos

[trim star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1495237126655311993/2026-04-18_18-37-48.mp4?ex=69e58397&is=69e43217&hm=ecdd3f77f97dfc5c9624f166c6cf35d9550befe6c9377ba4854411b502f72e97&

war

[shell hinge]

If you are using the version that only primes the xircon reactor with sewage, can you test what happens when the xircon reactor can only output say 15/min items? If my math is correct, this scenario will cause the reactor to fill up with sewage and clog, requiring manual intervention

[sterile stratus]

holy the mortar is nicee

[trim star]

mortars get better when you use more of them

[silent violet]

looks like this is as small as it gets

[sterile stratus]

i should get a setup for it...

yeah i can see

[mellow thicket]

wdym by this gang? i am confused af xddd

[trim star]

id still prefer acid

[valid gazelle]

wot

[silent violet]

im not sure what you mean

[sterile stratus]

it is

[trim star]

acid is too strong

[trim star]

lmao

[valid gazelle]

wot

[silent violet]

the xircon reactor makes its own sewage

[tawny shadow]

if only we can use these mortars on last re crisis boss

[trim star]

hey i mean

[tawny shadow]

my potato pc would blow up

[sterile stratus]

i spot the difference, not sure if it's the case

[trim star]

i killed her in 150s

[deft orbit]

was JUST gonna post that xD

[trim star]

it was very easy

[keen river]

i wonder what bug they have fixed

[shell hinge]

The xircon reactor doesn't input or output sewage right? It relies on its own xircon sewage to provide for effluent consumption?

[sterile stratus]

probably adding more invis wall 🥀

[silent violet]

yes

[tawny shadow]

no I meant
just imagine the chaos..

[trim star]

unfortunately not a lot of chaos

nefarith teleports everywhere

also did i mention mortars can actually kb you

lmao

it's pretty funny

[tawny shadow]

true.. forgot how easy it is to dodge mortars

[shell hinge]

So if it could not produce the full 30/min of xircon but still had enough xiranite, the effluent reactor would produce effluent faster than the xircon reactor could consume it. Once the xircon reactor fills with effluent, it won't be able to produce its own effluent but will still make xircon with the second reactor's effluent. This would eventually fill the xircon reactor with sewage and clog it

[trim star]

can they give us a stronger sonic tower

it was like my favorite thing to use (before deluge)

[valid gazelle]

thanks for the idea.. cuz it worked

[trim star]

my marker zone alluvium setup is

[valid gazelle]

actual war crimes

[trim star]

very clean

and i prefer it that way

[silent violet]

thats fine no? as long as it isnt prevented from making xircon

it still has access to effluent and ferr powder

oh but the sewage is full

so it cant make the recipe

hmm maybe

[trim star]

13 mortars a marsh gas and an acid would probably outperform 15 mortars by a very large margin

[tawny shadow]

unlike 1.1
this time we have the right number of everything for xircon production
as long as you don't fill the non xircon reactors with less than 30/min sewages you should be fine.

and there'll be no problem with the xircon reactor if the sewage was not full

so the possibility of it's clogging up is low (unless there's a bug on the game)

[trim star]

but 15 mortars

[shell hinge]

The obvious scenario where this would happen is if someone does not sell for a while due to say being offline. Batteries fill up, then xircon fills up, so the reactor fills with sewage. With no sewage output, it stays clogged until manually drained

[hoary crag]

gimma a min or two

[hoary crag]

my setup's uhh

[trim star]

currently there isnt a single factory that wouldnt instantly clog/overflow once anything related to cuprium overcaps

[hoary crag]

10 mortars + 2 marsh + 2 hyper + 1 acid

[trim star]

tbf

so

let's just chill

[sterile stratus]

i forgot why 1 crucible xircon doesn't work

[trim star]

more acid

[sterile stratus]

for what

[trim star]

acid tower

[sterile stratus]

yeah-

[trim star]

they should make you use bottled precipitation acid to craft acid tower

just to torture you

[tawny shadow]

if you have too much xira then spend it on hxira or something
or gears

if you don't have anything to use those xira on
that means you're rich

I can't see why it's a problem if your production is more than what the outpost can buy

[trim star]

for the best tower this patch

[sterile stratus]

that sounds fair

[shell hinge]

If someone simply doesn't log in for a while, they won't be able to spend or sell it

[crimson inlet]

a better 4 crucible design for hetonite

[trim star]

towers are like the second most exciting thing for me every patch it's usually the first thing i want to check out

[shell hinge]

A good setup should be robust to this and not get stuck just because you didn't log in frequently enough

[trim star]

i love murdering alluviums

[trim star]

oh my god

[sterile stratus]

the music automatically plays in my head

[crimson inlet]

FUCK ME

[tawny shadow]

then log in..
that's the price you have to pay if you don't login for a couple of days..

if they really can't login then they have to deal with it
it's not like you can go over the max depot

[trim star]

quick

add 3 more bridges

[sterile stratus]

nahh

it's no problem until you tilt it 45 degree

[outer patrol]

what currently yield now? still 12battery, 6 syringe? what is for heavy xiranite

[trim star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1494953397210845254/image.png?ex=69e52418&is=69e3d298&hm=db18806fbd76080ea0466a1841ed7f613ea8a44efa33160cf06efd0e23a4da6f&

[sterile stratus]

mhm what

"no"

[trim star]

12 (13.667? i think) battery and 22.5 hetonite for whatever you feel like

[outer patrol]

no more syringe?

[trim star]

not for now i guess

[shell hinge]

Or you could just build a better factory that doesn't have this issue even if you don't log in?

[hoary crag]

lmao dw it has the opposite rotation so you're good

[outer patrol]

22 htonite wtf.. how is that possible with just 4 extra forger of the sky

[trim star]

alright so if you want to do the math

it is 8:1 cuprium:hetonite

you get 180 cuprium

thus you end up with 22.5 hetonite

very difficult math

[sterile stratus]

mhm

very difficult

[crimson inlet]

tbh, is this a good compact design for hetonite?

[hoary crag]

@tawny shadow

[sterile stratus]

i think

[trim star]

that one support mortar in the background

lol

[outer patrol]

didnt hetonite needed 10smolranite:5xircon fluid

[trim star]

actually guys

[spice tartan]

I swear to god one of the most annoying things about AIC has got to be having your fluid and solid inputs on the opposite sides so you have to pipe around the whole fucking thing..... sure it adds depth and makes compact factories more impressive but fuck me man I get it wrong all of the time 50% of the time

[trim star]

let's collude

we need a 24 mortar setup

[tawny shadow]

there's no solution for max depot when you're going inactive..
it will clog everything related to the sc battery

the materials for xircon
the cuprium lines used to send the sewage
Etc.

and since you only need 2 sewages from 2 cuprium lines
it won't completely clog your hetonite / syringe production

they will still continue to produce with 2 cuprium lines shut down
it won't completely shut down your entire hetonite

and there's a max number of credit that the outpost can hoard while being inactive

if you're inactive that long, by the time you're active, you will prolly able to buy out the entire credit that the outpost have if you have a couple of products at max capacity

[crimson inlet]

I have to make 4 additional carbon setups for the +4 xiranite...

[foggy kraken]

ugggh.. brand new manufacturing lines to create with every update.. all my blueprints mean nothing

[shell hinge]

The problem isn't the factory clogging when your depot is full. The problem is that the 2 reactor closed xircon setup permanently clogs. When you do sell items, it won't start working again, unlike other designs

[sterile stratus]

sc/yazhen A still usable

[trim star]

also why is it always pog who is soloing the alluvium enemies

[foggy kraken]

Yeah but I want the new gear ugggh

[sterile stratus]

bro just craft some

[foggy kraken]

I haven't set up a line yet

[tawny shadow]

chaoss
it would be better tho if they fire at different times

[trim star]

that's unfortunately impossible to set up

[hoary crag]

ikr

[trim star]

mortars have the farthest range out of any tower and it isnt even close

so like

if you want to stagger their firing you are sacrificing a ton

[silent violet]

i never got it to clog sewage, even when removing the output for xircon it just filled up on xircon, stopped making sewage

[shell hinge]

This is with 2 reactors right?

[silent violet]

@shell hinge

ye

other one looks like this

[outer patrol]

ahh.. Hetonite Components.. i thought you talking about heavy xyranite

[tawny shadow]

we're just going back in circles..
good luck with whatever you're doing then

[outer patrol]

thats why 22 hetonite

[trim star]

yeah 22.5 hetonite

heavy xiranite you just get like one line going and sleep

[silent violet]

i think the main thing is that as its filling up on xircon when the downstream clogs, it is consuming the sewage still so the level of sewage will never be higher than the level of xircon

[outer patrol]

im thinking about 22 heavy xyranite

thats why im confuse

math aint mathing in that one

[trim star]

im pretty sure when reactor has both formula and input happening it does formula first then input

which should be helpful? idk

[shell hinge]

Did you test this by entirely removing the output or just reducing the output?

[silent violet]

removing the output

[crimson inlet]

my current carbon setup

[outer patrol]

okie thanks thanks.. 12bats, 22hetonite..

[shell hinge]

I think that may be why, since the xircon buffer is 50 which is enough to consume the sewage. Can you try with reduced output instead?

[uneven aspen]

so I shut down a few fluid pumps that were doing nothing . . .

[trim star]

can someone link me that 7 forge sub aic im honestly too lazy for once

[worldly holly]

how you using that much lol

[shell hinge]

This is after shutting stuff down lmao

[trim star]

there's probably more than enough white space for me to figure out the 7 forge but like

[crimson inlet]

this is why we create modular designs

[trim star]

zzzz

[uneven aspen]

#1494206812147417188 message 👍

[viscid pagoda]

can you make sewage without coprium?

[trim star]

chill ty

[crimson inlet]

easily redesigned for the next update

[worldly holly]

what's the next upd?

[trim star]

let's bottle sewage

[solid quiver]

no

but can with liquid Xiranite ( with need of xircon effluent )and ferium

[foggy kraken]

the new reactor looks like a nightmare to deal with but I'm too stubborn to follow someone else's blueprint lol

[silent violet]

also looks like the 1 unit gap doesnt work, converger gets clogged on water and will never let effluent through

[trim star]

it's not really

[silent violet]

1 unit gap only works if you never clog downstream

[trim star]

you just throw two formulas of choice in it

[uneven aspen]

even online 30/m aic shows this so i guess it didnt break during offline

[silent violet]

but probably not user friendly enough to make a bp based on 1 unit gap

[crimson inlet]

what's better to make? Hetonite Gears or Bumper-Rich Fertilizer

[silent violet]

@shell hinge looks like its the same, the xircon fills up but sewage is still being consumed

[tawny shadow]

the one that has rich in it

[spice tartan]

it's basically liquid xiranite + effluent in one, you can plug in xircon too

[tawny shadow]

jk why do you need fertilizer
when you prolly do the farm once a day

[crimson inlet]

if only we can automate dung cultivation

[silent violet]

i dont think its possible for the sewage to go higher than like 5 because it will always be consumed to make effluent

[tawny shadow]

unless you're a tryhard and claim every time the farm is done

[crimson inlet]

farming feels a lot better to time sink in than gearing your characters

[shell hinge]

My concern was that it would be unable to make effluent because the other reactor would keep effluent at capacity

[tawny shadow]

[latent kayak]

Is there no way to change the outputs of the new Purification Unit? Trying to output water from a specific outlet, but it's defaulted one of them

[tawny shadow]

if the farming slots isn't limited to 16

[pulsar willow]

woke up to my factory choking on sewage... I forgot to place 1 purification unit...

[spice tartan]

Speaking of time sinks I can't believe they haven't added fishing yet

[worldly holly]

you need 2 line of effluent to make a 100% eff xircon so 1 reactor prob not enough

[tawny shadow]

then I'll prolly enjoy farming

[crimson inlet]

nah, you can't change output slots

[sterile stratus]

phishing

[crimson inlet]

all that NPCs fishing and they never give the endmin the rod

[latent kayak]

Shucks. Do you think we should be able to?

[pulsar willow]

also forgot to fill up my sandleaf farms with sandleaf after I rebuilt the main AIC

[shadow canopy]

Finning

[spice tartan]

We have the fishing operator but no fishing.......

[sterile stratus]

endmin just use explosions to catch fish

[crimson inlet]

we should, or else, this thing will persist

[sterile stratus]

hell yeahhh

[latent kayak]

That's exactly my problem LOL

[vapid dock]

woke up to a stable production, lifegood

[pulsar willow]

evil shuriken

[sterile stratus]

lifegood

[spice tartan]

the windmill of friendship and productivity

[silent violet]

ill do some more testing

[worldly holly]

4 bat consume/min??? what you doing with those power

[crimson inlet]

has anyone used the manifolds to transport 2 different liquid types?

[vapid dock]

idk why its variable Imustve left a thermal bank somewhere

[crimson inlet]

WE NEED OIL, NOW

[silent violet]

i mean from what i see the effluent will only clog after xircon clogs, because if the xircon isnt clogged then the effluent will be used to make xircon

[tawny shadow]

this is what I did at 1.0
now they are gone bc of the 128 limit

[shell hinge]

I assume there is some kind of internal update order on reactors, but I haven't found out what it is yet

[vapid dock]

and I cba to find it

[silent violet]

and if xircon is clogged its not making sewage anymore

[silent violet]

you cant really have clogged effluent and also be making sewage

[vapid dock]

ah wait no I know where thats from, its because my turrets has batteries in them and I was at alluvium

[rain schooner]

Anyone have a bp for new xircon with expanded crucible 60/min

Im so sick of trying to figure it out myself

[tawny shadow]

no clogging life
just build and chill
no stress from overthinking

[shell hinge]

Effluent should be able to to clog because the other reactor will send in effluent regardless of xircon production no?

[small creek]

I have been kicked out of the game, but not before switching over to 1 SCW + 1 HCV

[crimson inlet]

tangtang sora

[silent violet]

but the other reactor only makes 30/min

[spice tartan]

I would be EXPLORING if they didn't fix the infinite jump attack bug...

[mortal hemlock]

can we do hedonite at max efficiency currently?

[shell hinge]

So if xircon production is below 15/min, that's when this effluent can clog?

[vapid dock]

only at 75%

[mortal hemlock]

how do i achieve 75% efficiency

[crimson inlet]

Before ---> After

[vapid dock]

all of the cuprium

[tawny shadow]

so sad I never had laeva to try that

[mortal hemlock]

lol can i just do 50% instead

[silent violet]

clogging effluent isnt the issue what makes it unable to start up is if there is space for xircon but sewage is full

[mortal hemlock]

50% seems to be an eaiser target

[silent violet]

you just cant really achieve a state where the sewage is full

[upper fiber]

how long the mt

[vapid dock]

just build the whole 100% it'll load balance itself

[shell hinge]

Clogging effluent is what causes that no? Effluent being full prevents the xircon reactor from making effluent and thus consuming sewage

[spice tartan]

I got ynonne 2 hours before the patch came out and I didn't have time to do anything with it 😭

[vapid dock]

as long as you dump the acid

[mortal hemlock]

ok

[silent violet]

making less xircon also means making less sewage

[mortal hemlock]

[crimson inlet]

in 1.1, I have to make a toilet system for everytime the sewage clogs up

[mortal hemlock]

btw do i need all cuprium to be processed in one place?

[shell hinge]

If effluent production is clogged then sewage consumption drops to 0, where any level of sewage production will eventually fill it

Once game is open I'll run this test myself as well

[upper fiber]

it is running fine

[silent violet]

but making sewage clears effluent

[fervent lodge]

overclogs are easy to fix
just have 1-2 cells of pipe on the output that you don't want to clog, then pick up the entire thing and place it back

[atomic fiber]

anyone know the good ratio yield yet?

[tawny shadow]

tbh even if you managed to put ziplines up there
it would be pointless now
there seems like some invisible walls up there that prevent me to claim shared ziplines in some unreachable places

[shell hinge]

The other reactor would replace that effluent before the crafting cycle no? Afaik inputs do come before crafting

[silent violet]

it seems like the reactor prioritises using sewage to make effluent over accepting effluent from the input port

[atomic fiber]

I'm so lazy... since I'm sure we will have new mine on the next new map

[silent violet]

i can never get the level of sewage to go higher than 1

[vapid dock]

I just processed cuprium in main and depoed the refined cuprium. Then made the hetonite factory at marker

[crimson inlet]

its weird how the 1:1 ratio for items to crafting shows the items as 0

[silent violet]

when there is space for new effluent in the crucible it looks like it is immediately claimed by the recipe using sewage + liquid xira

[crimson inlet]

even if it requires 4 units and you give 2 per sec

[spice tartan]

There was this one spot in environment station that they "fixed" by raising the invisible wall....... It wasn't even out of bounds, it was good honest parkouring.. thank god the zip I have there still works.
I hate zips being limited edition now, and I want to PARKOUR!!!

[rain schooner]

this is 60/min? And where do you have the conduits at the end going?

[vapid dock]

I made this

[tawny shadow]

12 SC / min
6 heavy xira / min
4.5 heto parts / min

you still have like 7.5 ferrium + 30 xira left that you can use for anything

some people metatransfer dense orig and make LC / additional SC batts

[small creek]

@marble yarrow hey have u made calcs on outpost income if i use 1 SCW + 1 HCV thermal bank? Currently running 4.2k power

[rain schooner]

Thxs but I need the expanded crucible with xircon

[fervent lodge]

#1495163039178031206

[atomic fiber]

that isn't good ratio at all. what about using those battery for power? what about outpost?

[worldly holly]

yea its 60/min and all the conduits going to 1 purification for heavy xira

[spice tartan]

Is that enough to buy out both outposts?

I feel like you'd need syringes at least a bit

[vapid dock]

enough and with an excess of ~5k

[tawny shadow]

yea and some spots have invisible walls that blocks both movement and ziplines..

those ziplines become a waste of power and protocol for the owner now

[rain schooner]

thxs but this has a forge in it. all my forges are being used

[atomic fiber]

it won't

[spice tartan]

Getting conflicting responses here

[fervent lodge]

not gonna make heavy xiranite?

[median pasture]

this channel seems to be 100% about the absolute ultimate end game min/max per second - is there a guide out there for midgame learning?

I'm recently reaching Wuling but haven't unlocked that AIC yet

[sterile stratus]

what

[rain schooner]

oh yeh but i have another bp for that

[vapid dock]

lv2 outpost: 10080bill/hr buys heavy xiranite and sc battery
lv3 outpost: 36288bill/hr buys hetonite parts and sc battery

4.5 hetonite parts/min = 12,960 bills/hr
6 heavy xiranite/min = 9720 bills/hr
12 sc battery/min , 3/min used= 29160/hr
excess: 5472/hr

[tawny shadow]

it should be enough
it's like 1.7 - 1.8m more weekly creds than what we get compared to 1.1 goods

[upper fiber]

just look for xiranite bp and lc bat bp for starter

[worldly holly]

wha people alr reach lv3 outpost?

[vapid dock]

no lv3 outpost refers to outpost1

[median pasture]

thanks

[fervent lodge]

what part do you struggle with the most

you said learning so I assume you want concepts instead of solutions

[spice tartan]

People asked for the ability to stash zips/constructions from the map but we don't have it yet, maybe never will. I had like 3 zips that I lost connection to in power plateau, I managed to get them back an hour before the patch came..

[median pasture]

I think that I'm focused on sandleaf right now and will soon be working up criston to get the early yellow gear - I put some stuff into the first AIC and second but the third I haven't touched like at all (I think that's the farm)

[fervent lodge]

https://enkad.enka.network/tutorial
not sure if this will have useful information at your stage, but this is the core basics
knowing this you can build anything just by looking at recipes

[tawny shadow]

maybe later in the future..
I also want the ability to turn on / off ziplines from maps
so I can save power when I want to take a break from collecting daily mats

[median pasture]

thanks, I will play around with this planner - I know how to do the things just not what I should focus on I guess

[fervent lodge]

you're mainly building for the gear (easy) and for the outpost selling (harder)

[fervent lodge]

link is to a tutorial, not to the planner btw

[upper fiber]

mt done yet?

[void owl]

How do i compress the heavy xir part?

[median pasture]

different from the tutorial in game?

[fervent lodge]

you basically grab the highest selling item from the outpost and build that
then upgrade outpost, it unlocks new sells, so you build that too

[spice tartan]

If you want to build yourself and not just copy blueprints I think the best thing you can do is learn the optimal production rates and try to build the factory yourself. Get an idea of what you should build and how many, and use that as a guide. Or if you suck at factory building itself do the manual trainings I guess

[median pasture]

I've done all of the training in game 😄

and I love me some Factorio!!

[fervent lodge]

yeah but it's wacko

[upper fiber]

wuling is harder than the valley

[spice tartan]

Oh well this game won't be much of a challenge then. You can only grow the factory so much

[median pasture]

yeah I think I did too much of the story and not enough going back to the factory and now I should because I can't make gear

[spice tartan]

Not ez pz by any means, still fun by itself

[median pasture]

so the layout and optimization won't be hard, I just need to figure out which things to focus on and I'm slowly figuring it out

[fervent lodge]

yeah, so then gear components and the highest-selling outpost stuff

[upper fiber]

battery on valley iv?

[fervent lodge]

then batteries

[gray seal]

Thank god for blueprint sharing short circuiting my brain trying to figure out factory

[median pasture]

sandleaf, buckflower, amethyst parts, and I guess now batteries

[spice tartan]

Gear? components. Bills? outpost trade items. And keep some amounts of exploration items too like 💣

[fervent lodge]

lc battery is easy, then i completely skipped sc battery and jumped straight into hc battery in v4

just not worth it making sc

oh yeah make bomb

from aketine

[median pasture]

I am generating decent amount of bills doing elastic goods

[fervent lodge]

nice, peek AIC report and see what your ore income vs usage is

[median pasture]

oh that is bad

[fervent lodge]

see if you're underusing ores and scale appropriately

[median pasture]

I am underusing hard

[fervent lodge]

yeah then time to scale

[median pasture]

that's why I am pausing the story at explo 5

[spice tartan]

Try to make modular component blueprints, and then you can modify them to fit your needs while building the factory. Like the CUBES and plant farming

[median pasture]

almost authority 50 and I have such a garbage aic setup

[upper fiber]

i just grab bulk A and hc bat bp in valley iv

[fervent lodge]

yeah when i got sandleaf i exploded the entire factory and started building HC battery lol

[rapid hedge]

I feel like a pro at using paint

[fervent lodge]

then buck a

[unreal laurel]

1 pump is for 3 mines?

[median pasture]

today I have mining working and also power and tomorrow I am going to go around every map and run power lines

[sterile stratus]

wow what are those holes

[unreal laurel]

?

[rapid hedge]

you don't want to know what's hidden there

[mighty yacht]

this looks like a government redacted file lmao

[trim star]

well played

[sterile stratus]

i think that must've been the wind

[unreal laurel]

its 1 pump for 3 mines right?

[sterile stratus]

depends

[undone seal]

Whats everyones hetonite component yield?

[rapid hedge]

you don't want to know what's hidden behind those black parts

[trim star]

22.5

[unreal laurel]

max purity

[sterile stratus]

1

[unreal laurel]

1 what

[trim star]

1

[sterile stratus]

1 hetonite component yield

per min

[sterile stratus]

yes

[unreal laurel]

how many mines per pump

[undone seal]

im techincally 0

[unreal laurel]

is it or is it not 3

[undone seal]

im so cooked

[sterile stratus]

same

actually mine is 0.278

per min

ah no that's the input rate

should be 0.139

[trim star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1494892322905657434/image.png?ex=69e593f7&is=69e44277&hm=ce8cada23fd5303a1b391ba6ccb562e5a2b38470fd4f0fcc0fbf073073b8236b&

[vale topaz]

in theory 1 pump for 3 high yield ore, oe 1 pump for 6 low yield ore.
in practice, just put 1 pump for 3 ore spot

[void owl]

Does anyone have 2x a standalone heavy xirate bp i can use that does not come bundles with a hetonite refiniery?

[unreal laurel]

SHIT

[trim star]

yeah just throw two xiranite and more xiranite into a forge

[unreal laurel]

ALL MY PUMPS ARE WRONG

[sterile stratus]

you just need to remember low yield needs 1/6 pump, high yield needs 1/3 pump

[unreal laurel]

SHIT SHIT SHIT

[sterile stratus]

stop shitting

it's not wc here

[spice tartan]

Less shitting more pumping

[sterile stratus]

makes sense

[spice tartan]

I saw that

[quasi locust]

like this?

[fervent lodge]

reminds me of

[empty blaze]

Is it possible to make the new gear material without significantly changing the existing AICs in Wuling and Jingyu valley

[sterile stratus]

must've been the wind

[sterile stratus]

what

[quartz oriole]

Yes but it'll be slow

[vapid dock]

.stop2

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/zhuang-fangyi-zhuang-fangyi-dragon-dragon-girl-gif-17711825278584358889

[rapid hedge]

forgive me
there was a deadline for that question

[void owl]

Nice, now it would be better if i can double it up and optimize it more

[fervent lodge]

was reply to this lmao

[rapid hedge]

[spice tartan]

.landmine

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086673530314832/1434275206028988426/LandmineNOW.gif?ex=6907bc60&is=69066ae0&hm=a021ac8d85bdecb3aa078eb0ed4612ba8c53bb4c8d1521adf699af0833e972c8&=&width=234&height=190

[empty blaze]

That's fine by me. I am not too hung up on speed of production since I don't play everyday

[void owl]

.stop1

[empty blaze]

From the aic guides which one is currently best to follow for 1.2 factory build

[sterile stratus]

.stop

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-arknights-sui-gif-7073468061133619170

[vale topaz]

depend upon your empty space.
you can strap heavy xiranite from existing 2 xircon lines, give each line purificatiom for xircon waste and merge the result into forge, add 2 xiranite input and done.

hetonite partt will require new line

[vapid dock]

Its just xiranite+effluent.
Purify the 4 lines of inert effluent you get from 12 sc batteried and shove it in the forge

[quartz oriole]

I'd say go to YouTube, there are lots of people who go into great detail of base building there. Some of my favs are ConCon and Lisara

[sterile stratus]

the heavy xir is the only thing you will really need cuz you need its liquid to spray stuff

if you want the gear you can also spend some cuprium making it

[trim star]

you dont need heavy soda for the wuling very blue blight

normal soda works it's just really weak

[sweet mantle]

Is this supposed to sleep?

[trim star]

still you'll probably need it in the near future

the reason to make heavy rn is just selling it and making components

[unreal laurel]

how energy efficient is water mines

[sterile stratus]

lazy facilities wake up

[trim star]

yes because they dont take any

only the pump does

unless im misremembering

[empty blaze]

That was my understanding and I was just going to put a heavy xir production line in the new region and just make the new liquids and gear component with a battery unit to cover power consumption

[unreal laurel]

having to run water relays halfway across wuling just to transfer the 1/3 leftover water from a 2vein feels wrong

why

why is it like this

[trim star]

why are you doing that though

[void owl]

Does anyone have 2x standalone heavy xirate bp i can use that does not come bundled with a hetonite refiniery?

[unreal laurel]

cause it saves power

[trim star]

bro really needs power

[empty blaze]

Wouldn't that be more efficient if it was combined

[rapid hedge]

ofc to save 5 powers

[unreal laurel]

its just pipes

[trim star]

id rather save on protocol limit

every pipe extension is +1

[spice tartan]

tru

[trim star]

unless that got changed

[true parrot]

is there a good "just got to wuling" main PAC blueprint i can just temporarily slap down while i'm spamming my way through main quest?

[unreal laurel]

time to run a pipe from core aic to monitoring station

[void owl]

I need to split sewage prod

2x sewage into sc, 2x into heavy xir

[rapid hedge]

got nothing in main PAC so might as well spam wuling with pipes

[vale topaz]

you're not going to make sc batteries from xiranite ?

[small creek]

Sounds like one is just succumbing to weakness

[rapid hedge]

so everyone can get free sewagewaters

[void owl]

I have 4x refineries

So 2 for xir, 2 for sc

[small creek]

Oh i did this too, one of my best works

Splitting between wuling and jingyu

[spice tartan]

"Power optimizers" when HG adds protocol limit to pipes and they come back to see 12041/350 protocol limit

[rapid hedge]

this is the only conduit that I used on wuling

running pipes around the aic area is painful

[small creek]

pipes are awesome

[trim star]

i ran a conduit chain from acid to main pac

in the goals of making everything on main pac

[shell hinge]

@silent violet My test got the xircon reactor clogged.

[void owl]

Just use conduits

[rapid hedge]

I want to make my wuling as empty as possible
so my game won't lag when I do depot delivery on phone

[silent violet]

idk mine didnt

[rapid hedge]

[median pasture]

okay learning the math and process here was insanely useful, that's going to come in very handy

[small creek]

MY DUMBASS FORGOT TO ALIGN THE DEPOT LOADER BEFORE GOING TO SLEEP 😭

[void owl]

Anyone has a sc bat bp that uses e crucibles over normal reactors?

[shell hinge]

What's the difference then? I'm running at below half xircon output, did you do the same?

[rapid hedge]

ikr
saved a lot of protocols when I was in a pinch

[trim star]

there's a lot of mini math you should just internalize

[unreal laurel]

is 2pumps per mine still better than 2 mines?

[median pasture]

yeah the math will help a lot

[sweet mantle]

What am I doing wrong?

[trim star]

like per 10s blueprints, 2s blueprints, the 30/m stuff

[spice tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/mi-bombo-funny-gif-8999662799732159367

[trim star]

in most scenarios stuff are tuned to every 2s

[void owl]

What do i use heavy xir for?

[trim star]

sell

components

water

[small creek]

alright the world is finally healing

now i have powder for depot

[trim star]

not even water you have to use acid

but

heavy soda

[vale topaz]

looks inefficient, but as long as you're fine with it.
stand alone heavy xiranite should be only.
water output splitter to 2 expanded crucible.
2 xiranite ouput into each expanded crucible.
2 sewage outut from curpirum refinery to each expanded crucible.
2 water tratment for each expanded crucible for xircon waste.
2 foirge getting xircon liquid from expanded crucible.
2 xiranite input into each forge.

[silent violet]

@shell hinge idk how you got it to clog

the sewage is always at 0

[reef dagger]

does anyone have a hub alluvium tower setup

[sterile stratus]

i'm so happy now lol

[void owl]

I need this as a BP

[latent kayak]

I'm dumb, can someone confirm that the only difference between a
manifold conduit outlet and a regular outlet plus pipe splitter, is capacity?

[silent violet]

no you dont 💀

[void owl]

This works at full efficiency right

[trim star]

bruh the enemies are so weak you can really just put any high tier tower down

[silent violet]

why do you need xircon on its own

[tawny shadow]

some people never really listen..
I said it several times that it'll clog if you fill sewage to full for 2 reactor xircon lines

but I guess they just want to prove they're right

[sterile stratus]

you need backpack

[trim star]

15 mortars

[sterile stratus]

lol

[void owl]

I need to update my sc batt xircon production line

[trim star]

yes

[silent violet]

im wip on a sc batt bp using 2 reactors

[trim star]

it's more space efficient and uses less protocol limit

[latent kayak]

Damn, I was hoping it could handle multiple fluids

[trim star]

5x3 for 4/s as opposed to two 3x3s

[hoary crag]

yes

[trim star]

but

[silent violet]

if you really want it just replicate it

[latent kayak]

I guess it does have its uses then

[trim star]

if you dont need the full conduit it's still just single conduit spam

i just use it for acid transport

[small creek]

try this idk

[hoary crag]

I know this could be made more compact but I'm lazy rn

[rapid hedge]

just ignore them it's not worth your time

[trim star]

this is really only super fat because you're trying to refine the cuprium at the same time

which forces more space to be opened

so there's really nothing much wrong

[rapid hedge]

it looks fine
compact sometimes hurt my eyes

[hoary crag]

my specialty is finding the balance between compactness and aesthetics lol

[rapid hedge]

the space feels just right

[void owl]

WHY CANT I MANTAIN 2x HEAVY XIR PRODUCTS AHHH

[hoary crag]

hence this beauty right here

[rapid hedge]

ugh the belts

[viscid pagoda]

how do I make inert xircon effluent

[rapid hedge]

by using purification facility
if you can't see it, check your AIC tree

[small creek]

here is the mainpac

[hoary crag]

liquid xiranite + sewage -> reactor -> xircon effluent + inert xircon effluent

[sterile stratus]

looking nice lol

[rapid hedge]

oh I thought they were asking

how to change inert xircon to effluent

[void owl]

What is the use of inert?

[small creek]

fitting the hxira and sandleaf in the middle was tough lol

[rapid hedge]

either send them to treatment (inefficient)
or convert 4 inert to effluent

[static isle]

what do yall think

[hoary crag]

in 1.1, jackshit nothing
in 1.2, can be converted to normal xircon effluent at a 4:1 ratio

[sterile stratus]

mhm

[sterile stratus]

4:1...

[viscid pagoda]

this is leander bp where does the inert xircon effluent come from?

[trim star]

yes

[static isle]

your SC facs

[hoary crag]

yup

[crystal portal]

guys in the new outpost is level 2 the max or does it go to lvl 3?

[sterile stratus]

me sad cuz i want 2:1

[rapid hedge]

it's better than setting up a new reactor
also you only need 4 xiranites to produce 5 effluents

[hoary crag]

that's why I directly feed the inert xircon effluent from my SC battery lines into the purification unit

saves me one xiranite line

[void owl]

Sooooo… still jackshit?

[hoary crag]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-purification-aqua-sama-goddess-konosuba-anime-gif-17244406

[sterile stratus]

maybe

[hoary crag]

if you have a 12/min sc battery line, you'd get enough xircon effluent as if you got yourself an extra forge for free

[rapid hedge]

this one probably needs 100 : 1 ratio

[void owl]

And ill go into cancer rock debt

[hoary crag]

which is exactly what you're seeing with the inert pipe cutting through my sc battery lines

[hoary crag]

cancer rock can fully sustain 12/min sc battery

as long as you don't use said cancer rock on anything else

[void owl]

…. Time to renovate ig

Wait

I already have 6 sca and 2 lines of heavy xir

[rapid hedge]

isn't it better aesthetically if you put the left belt on top of the right belt?

[void owl]

Ok im going to inject it into my sewage injectors

[rapid hedge]

sorry couldn't differentiate between left and right

[hoary crag]

I haven't placed a pwm yet and I have 6 forges, 12/min sc battery line, and a heavy xir line on core, along with the 1.3 stash

until I put a pwm down, I'm going to assume I'm near facility limit

[shell hinge]

@silent violet It seems to be metastable? At a constant output the sewage stays stable, but altering the output can increase the sewage level

[hoary crag]

2 facilities is still 2 facilities

[fervent lodge]

there's a non-facility pwm

[void owl]

What is pwm

[rapid hedge]

damn people with their rich stash..
I was late for like 1 month to start and got nothing to stash

[fervent lodge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494362412126699651

[silent violet]

i have no idea how you achieved that

[silent violet]

i can only ever get it to do this

maybe theres some difference in setup

[void owl]

We need extra large crucible

With 4 liquid inputs

[fervent lodge]

please no

not with autorecipes anyway

[void owl]

See we can make xiricon in 1 crucible new

[static isle]

what should I do with that water line out of the heavy xira unit
I'm just dumping it for now but idk if I should reroute them to garden to water plants

but the plants doesn't use enough so it might clog

[tough berry]

should i even bother doing pwm with only 30 power?

[sterile stratus]

yes why not

you're exceeding 30w right?

[void owl]

What is pwm

[unreal laurel]

behold

[quasi locust]

if you feed it to the plants that has a water pump connected, the purifier can clear its water and the water pump will clog instead

[unreal laurel]

my temp cuprium master piece

[trim star]

me when my entire region is consuming 30 power

[void owl]

WTF

[sterile stratus]

pulse width modulation ig

[trim star]

why not line them up the other way

[sterile stratus]

excuse me

[unreal laurel]

i dont even clean the water

[tough berry]

ya 30 power excess

[unreal laurel]

i just delete the building and place a fresh one

[tough berry]

out of 3.5k

[quasi locust]

it's like you dump it back to the river but also cutting back on the dumper

[unreal laurel]

any issue

its easier than making a whole sewage cleaning system

[static isle]

yeah but like do the plants even use up to 30/m

[sterile stratus]

i think that's 1 sc bat per 42666s

[unreal laurel]

just delete the refiner and place new ones

[sterile stratus]

wait no actually

106s i think