aic-factory

[vale topaz]

final wuling event, design an AIC to fit all fluid color

[pulsar cypress]

^bonus point if its aesthetically look nice..

[subtle finch]

i was really hoping we can mutate the frogs with sewage water

[golden burrow]

what

[vale topaz]

doubt sewage can.
but that inert fluid from xircon line, surely can

[pulsar cypress]

Interesting..
Only if we can pour em..

[vale topaz]

bottle it and drop the bottle near the frogs?

[bright zodiac]

sad spray barely do anything

[vale topaz]

.... deep down every endfield player are diabolical and support environment destruction....

[ruby sorrel]

wym I've been cleaning up all this dirt the past few days

[hoary crag]

@subtle finch I give up on attempting an ocd friendly 25x15, tho this is what I ended up with

[ruby sorrel]

maybe I could tidy the pipes a little

[subtle finch]

we dont pipe-shame, dw

[vale topaz]

as long as only 1 splitter for 3 mining rig, it's all about appearance

[ruby sorrel]

but it's excessively pipey

[golden burrow]

why is everyone replacing the normal miners with hydro miners

is this the new trend

[ruby sorrel]

cus it's fun

[vale topaz]

one of my mining location got excessive piping due to moderate range from nearby pool.

[hoary crag]

cuz it's fun (2)

[golden burrow]

yk what fair

[ruby sorrel]

oh that's just the actual mining spot..... you should see the rest of the pipes

[hoary crag]

and you do save on power as well

[vale topaz]

power saving but will cost protocol unit ( number above zip line usage at world map )

[golden burrow]

surely 200 power isn't worth it

[hoary crag]

for us who use pwms, it is

[golden burrow]

💀

ok

[ruby sorrel]

wym this is glorious

[hoary crag]

tho it does come with +1 facility cost every 3 veins

[ruby sorrel]

why would I not do this

[subtle finch]

embrace symmetry

[vale topaz]

for that place, i'm using inlet outlet.
there is no curve design for belt and pipe for this game

[ruby sorrel]

I have 0 condiuts for my wuling mining

[golden burrow]

that's not even symmetrical what are you talking about

[subtle finch]

single forge layout is wasteful of sand/power

[subtle finch]

ignore the pipes patrick

we dont talk about them

[ruby sorrel]

yeah symmetry group C1

[golden burrow]

😭

[subtle finch]

all aic plots are even

[hoary crag]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[subtle finch]

survey takes longer than combat in this game

[vale topaz]

time for another essay posting

[ruby sorrel]

help remind me what I'm supposed to be complaining about

[hoary crag]

not to mention that this is like the first and probably only survey in 1.1

then yeah everyone's gonna make an essay lmaoo

[vale topaz]

wait, you're right

[hoary crag]

I should probably start preparing mine

[golden burrow]

what should we complain about though

[subtle finch]

tbf, they probably have ai making summary of the most requested thing, that's why they can ask too many questions

[golden burrow]

i feel like i've said everything back in 1.0

[ruby sorrel]

they should be giving me more pulls so I can guarantee every banner

[vale topaz]

most likely oroberyl again

[golden burrow]

but it's a gacha game

that's how they make money

[ruby sorrel]

uh I mean, the factory needs more space so I can do dumb things in it

[vale topaz]

although i want a quick deploy tower as cast able skill.....

[golden burrow]

we can't expect them to say yes when we say give us more gems

[ruby sorrel]

but they kinda did

[golden burrow]

they did?

[ruby sorrel]

we got a bunch of extra free shit in 1.0 cus ppl complained

[subtle finch]

aic-people are the minority, we'll never be heard

[golden burrow]

is that not just apologems

"here's some shit so pls look away from the bugs"

or are you talking about something else

[ruby sorrel]

oh yeah let us delete our own facilities from map too, not just shared ones

and like remote repair

[vale topaz]

i'll complaint about 1500 points for meta transfer.
should be 1800 for perfect 30/min usage

[subtle finch]

i just want auto-selling for outpost

[ruby sorrel]

I gotta save this so I remember to put it in

[golden burrow]

oh right

ppl please ask for being able to turn off shared facilities 🙏

[ruby sorrel]

no shared turrets....

I hate shared turrets

[vale topaz]

manual filling water from river should not be limited by 10 bottles.

[golden burrow]

random ass guns aggroing enemies 😔

[ruby sorrel]

they actually made the aggro range for your operators much smaller now

but I still hate seeing it

I block ppl who put turrets by TP though smh

[vale topaz]

complaint about water treatment cost 50 power

[upper fiber]

why not delete it

[golden burrow]

i do but i wanna stop doing it manually

[hoary crag]

lack of:

reliable headhunting sources (especially basic)
an actual replayable mode

possible adjustments:

trust increase should be passive across all assigned dijiang ops, not just those in control center. those not assigned will still not gain trust.
^^^ if we follow AK's trust system, then spending sanity should also increase trust to those involved
remote repair for shared facilities
removal of manual filling/pouring limits

would like to see:

reward type confirmation before start of battle
an AIC oriented event
selective disabling of shared facilities

[golden burrow]

bro has his essay written down in advance 🙏

[ruby sorrel]

oh yeah not being able to see the amount you get when you claim 1x or 2x like pls I don't have memory

[golden burrow]

wait what does this mean

reward type confirmation before start of battle

[vale topaz]

dont foeget about weapon essence rng

[ruby sorrel]

me having to look it up every time cus I can't do math

idgaf about essence rng I literally play hsr to delete relics

[golden burrow]

also i feel like trust is a very low priority

[subtle finch]

i still havent use any double claim ticket

[golden burrow]

the system isn't perfect but like i already have everyone at 200%

[vale topaz]

that aic building limit number should be displayed somewhere rather remain hidden

[hoary crag]

you get a recap of this before we start farming

[ruby sorrel]

not being able to gift at 200% means no more gift reaction

[ruby sorrel]

I need the recap on claim though

cus I literally clear it and go did I need 2x

[subtle finch]

if gifts were craftable from aic, it would make it more engaging, and suffering for those who hate aic

[ruby sorrel]

and honestly we should be able to pick on claim not before we go in

[vale topaz]

well it is indirecrly require aic since you buy it via stock

[golden burrow]

wdym you already need to craft aic stuff to sell to buy gifts

[ruby sorrel]

nah these ppl are farming stockbills from enemies and essence drops

[golden burrow]

💀

surely there's a better use of time

[vale topaz]

that's way too long

[silent violet]

idk if this meets the requirements for ocd friendly

[hoary crag]

Depot Delivery Quick Transfer should also be an option ngl

[vale topaz]

think each alluvium run only net about 900 stock

[subtle finch]

what i mean is temporary production for items, basically asking for aic related event

[ruby sorrel]

can we remove pipe max length limit

it kills my aesthetics to have so many pipesplitters to prop up my pipes

[vale topaz]

they want you to use intlet/outlet

[ruby sorrel]

I don't see what difference it makes

[silent violet]

hollup this belt layout kinda cooks

[subtle finch]

will it break if you copy paste a pipe in-place of the splitter? i know that's just for inside aic

[ruby sorrel]

huh I should check that

yeah they thought of this

[silent violet]

i think this is the least ugly the belt work is gonna get

[ruby sorrel]

I need to stop placing ziplines wherever just cus I have spare power...

[silent violet]

nvm

alr im done

[subtle finch]

leander caring for aesthetic?

[hoary crag]

[subtle finch]

we got him

[silent violet]

i dont actually care about aesthetic i just wanted to try some stuff on the design posted above for a 25x15

[hoary crag]

lmao

[silent violet]

fruits is still better since its single side water input anyway

[hoary crag]

I actually could reduce mine to 24x19

[golden burrow]

if you're trying for a compact xira maker

wouldn't it be better to go for a 3-in-1

bc 2 sandleaf farms feed 3 xira makers

[subtle finch]

amazing observation patrick

[silent violet]

lmfao

[golden burrow]

😔

am i being made fun of

[hoary crag]

yes but nothing beats single lines placed next to each other when it comes to aesthetics

[silent violet]

fuck aesthetics embrace compactness

[ruby sorrel]

embrace spaghetti

[hoary crag]

I beg to differ

[subtle finch]

we need a score and leaderboards for stuff like this

[golden burrow]

is there any point tho

as long as it fits and it works

[silent violet]

whoa dont be saying blasphemous shit in factory channel

[golden burrow]

😔 looks like i'm getting permabanned

goodbye cruel world

[hoary crag]

I mean, build your factory the way you want lmao

if you want to just game it out, then feel free to do so

I now have a new side quest

[upper fiber]

item control port still not fixed...

[ruby sorrel]

does it count if water just magically appears out of nowhere

[vale topaz]

dont worry i also dont use compact design.

[fervent lodge]

whole-ass conduit for 30/m of water 🥲

I'd probably also route it towards the forge

[ruby sorrel]

12x31 if you ignore outputting xiranite

[fervent lodge]

i swear this is the most annoying part about the whole game

every time i have to work around them this is the feeling it gives me

[subtle finch]

new category

[fervent lodge]

i'm gonna have to make leaderboards don't i...

[ruby sorrel]

gonna have to make rules about input/output overhead

[subtle finch]

it's still a nice design, because you can split it to the next, and skip the conduit

[fervent lodge]

send blob? i have a suggestion

[ruby sorrel]

how do I send this

[fervent lodge]

just ctrl+c the fragment

and paste here

[ruby sorrel]

server doesn't like it

[fervent lodge]

can dm

share link would also work but blob is easier

[ruby sorrel]

https://enkad.enka.network/?id=E1g2b6b6F7T7A8

[silent violet]

real

[fervent lodge]

forgot to move pylon but you get it

+1 row!

wait, you're only using 1 belt of sandleaf

doesn't this mean you can get away with 2 planters

[ruby sorrel]

nah it's 2/xiranite

[fervent lodge]

oh yeah

it's 2

brainfrat

man this is dense lmao

i love it

[ruby sorrel]

the greatwall of grinding units

[fervent lodge]

i'd probably also

look at the possibility of tiling 😭

[ruby sorrel]

yeah there's stuff to shift around if you're packing it into other things, but the overall rectangle is the same size anyways

[subtle finch]

despite it being smol, it can't tile well in outpost

[fervent lodge]

like i really wanna shift the whole left thing into the right thing 1 cell

but grinders limit that

[subtle finch]

wait till get give us fluid grinders

[fervent lodge]

tf

how do you grind water

[subtle finch]

i mean, cnc uses liquid

[ruby sorrel]

wet sandleaf paste

[fervent spoke]

Grind with water as coolant e.g.

[ruby sorrel]

sandleaf being the thing that gets a finer grind is so funny to me

[fervent lodge]

wait real

i dunno the point of this but it fits

[subtle finch]

lol, octal forge is not meant to be

[fervent lodge]

legitimately tragic

[fervent lodge]

i mean you can probably fit 2 sideways right

[shrewd knoll]

its 8 or nothing, u dont settle with 6

[subtle finch]

no

still a good design for those that likes modular look

[ruby sorrel]

funny thing is you can flatten the sandleaf and merge 3 side by side

[hidden hornet]

Yo how can I make the xiranite more compact in my base?
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1487032527980990474

[lunar abyss]

a single aketon shredder can supply 6 bomb making facilities at the same time right?

[subtle finch]

when i saw that 20/min sc, i left immediately

[hidden hornet]

Eh it’s 12/m now

20/m wasn’t feasible and I didn’t know that and now I don’t know how to change the name of that chat

[subtle finch]

looks like your crucible is tied to your forge, that would take a major redesign

you really like using conduits too 😳

[shrewd knoll]

should be able to supply pretty more than that but you need more than 1 belt

[lunar abyss]

yea 10

idk why I said 6

kind of annoying to split honestly

[subtle finch]

try a layout similar to this

[shrewd knoll]

it needs more chaos

[vast iron]

Howd you get water to that middle planter tho

[shrewd knoll]

embrace the chaos

[vast iron]

Perfection

[hidden hornet]

That’s… I…. Wow I am so lost

[ruby sorrel]

oh circular

[fervent lodge]

what do you think of doing this

it wastes power 👍

[vast iron]

How big is subpac again?

[fervent lodge]

9x9

[hidden hornet]

What area?

[vast iron]

Wuling one

[vast iron]

Wuling subpac

50 by 50 huh

Needs a hybrid bp, definitely

[shrewd knoll]

25 by 50 blueprints work fine

has enough space for all the little stuff

[vast iron]

4 forge 25 by 50???

[shrewd knoll]

you can probably fit 7 in a 50x50 at most but it will be kinda weird

[vast iron]

Highkey doubt that

I have a 4 forge its

25 by 55

[ruby sorrel]

7 would be quite challenging

[hidden hornet]

I wish bps could be 80x80 but freaking uh I dunno imma blame mobile users for this one they gotta ruin everything

[ruby sorrel]

idk if 7 is possible at all cus you'd need a 5th sandleaf loop

[vast iron]

7 is probably not that bad

[ruby sorrel]

if you didn't need the loop then yeah possible for sure

[shrewd knoll]

there's so much space left over in a 6, 7 certainly looks possible

[hidden hornet]

Twitches in genz

[vast iron]

Im 99% sure 7 is possible

[hidden hornet]

67

67

67

67

[vast iron]

8... i doubt

[ruby sorrel]

8 has to be outright impossible you'd barely have room for belts

[shrewd knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[vast iron]

8 is probably impossible

[subtle finch]

it's definitely something

[hidden hornet]

How do you guys just intuitively know how much space a loop needs?

[vast iron]

We would have to cut like

50 tiles

Off of an already hyper optimal design

[ruby sorrel]

cus sandleaf is fat and unwieldy

[fervent lodge]

it only really works integrated into the sc battery line lmao

[hidden hornet]

Agreed

Just don’t look at my base

[vast iron]

Tho if we hybrid 8 forges

We can save on sandleaf

Like

1 planter

Current 120/min is 9 planters w/ 1/3 sandleaf excess

If we do 240 we can probably get away with 17 planters and a .5 excess

210 would be 15 planters

[hidden hornet]

Do 760

You’d only need 50.666 planters

Or something I don’t know how it actually works

I divided by 15

[wind sentinel]

good enough ig

can you import enka as bp?

[pulsar cypress]

Can be more compact if u place it like this

With 1 pylon only in center

[wind sentinel]

so adjust it by one column then?

[subtle finch]

yeah, can easily those shredder lines are too long

[pulsar cypress]

It will shorter 1 column.. Yess..

[wind sentinel]

aight imma do that thankss

[pulsar cypress]

Eh, its gone.. XD

[wind sentinel]

tried to do it symmetrical but seems like this aint it lol

[subtle finch]

it looks like a derpy person

[fervent lodge]

[hoary crag]

I like how we don't even have a confirmation yet on how many forges we're getting in 1.2

and we're already trying to make 6-8 forge production lines

ik some people would probably do 3-3-1-1 if we're getting 8 forges

[ruby sorrel]

they can't not give us more forges right?

[fervent lodge]

fore morges

pls gyperhryph

[hoary crag]

500 forges

[fervent lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[vast iron]

optimizing has a reason now

[fervent lodge]

btw when update drops and there's maintenance
we might be able to theorycraft recipes ahead of game

but shhh

[vast iron]

realistically, it would be 6 forge + 2 forge

The 2 forge setup is basically at perfection

theres barely any possible optimizing

[wind sentinel]

I gave up on a clover forge design because of that reason lol

[hoary crag]

lmao

[wind sentinel]

I wish it would be 8

[hoary crag]

for me I'll wait until we actually know how many forges we're getting

[ruby sorrel]

make it a multiple of 3 so it saves power

[hoary crag]

before I work on my forge setup

[vast iron]

sounds unrealistic… output how?

[small creek]

DID SOMEONE SAY SAVE POWER

[hoary crag]

isn't that just one sandleaf planter loop?

[vast iron]

-0.1 sandleaf loops

indeed

[small creek]

HOLY SHIT

[hoary crag]

I mean you could also remove 2 protocol stashes if you put the forges close to each other

[ruby sorrel]

gotta save power I'm broke

[hoary crag]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-power-shout-old-spice-pecs-gif-8856772

[shrewd knoll]

why use protocol stashes at all, all goes into the pac

[vast iron]

Low power is for the weak

[small creek]

Gotta save power the rich get richer
accidental bars right there btw

[wind sentinel]

Not very compact but it's nice to look at

[small creek]

Clash of clans th9 ahh design

[fervent lodge]

would be nice as a centerpiece of that circle bp by falk lmao

[hoary crag]

oh yeah

ngl

if we were to get 8 forges

[subtle finch]

@small creek thanks for the idea about using 2 different plants in the same crucible btw, that completed my build

[hoary crag]

I would so love to challenge myself into fitting all of it into one subpac

[fervent lodge]

They should make a Wuling MC Battery where the recipe produces 10 tiny batteries at once

so you don't need to pwm

[hoary crag]

while making it look good at the same time

[shrewd knoll]

everyone has to redo their crucible designs anyway when it gets upgraded

[hoary crag]

lmao

[ruby sorrel]

yeah why do they even need 6 outputs in packaging unit anyways

[fervent lodge]

same question

[vast iron]

"Not very compact" die

[ruby sorrel]

give me the big lines of belts

[hoary crag]

lmao

[fervent lodge]

wide belt buses 🤤

[subtle finch]

someone mentioned their xircon can get stuck in crucible, i used the extra input for that, idk if that's true tho

[hoary crag]

the requirement for 8 forges would be:

6 Sandleaf Loops
8 Yazhen/Jincao Loops
24 Refining Units
24 Shredding Units
16 Grinding Units
8 Forges (obviously)
Protocol Stashes

[vast iron]

???

8 forges is 16 grinders

[hoary crag]

oh yeah right

[subtle finch]

protocol stash

erm, pumps?

[hoary crag]

only including those locked within aic area

and yes, we'd need 8 pumps too

[ruby sorrel]

I can't believe stashes are required now

[subtle finch]

that's a lot of grinding

[fervent lodge]

slurp the entire wuling

[pulsar cypress]

Sounds like a real pain to make..

*proceed using 2 forge, copy 4x

[vast iron]

An optimized 8 forge would be
5 and 1/2 sandleaf loops -> 11 planters + 6 seeds, +6 shredders
8 yazhen loops -> 8 planters 8 seeds
8 refineries -> 16 crushers -> 16 grinders -> 16 more refineries
8 forges
Minimum 3 protocol stashes
Tally:
19 planting units
14 seed picking units
24 refining units
22 crushing units
8 forges
3+ protocol stashes

[vast iron]

good thing our 2 forge is nearly perfect

[subtle finch]

optimized and protocol stash doesn't go together in a sentence

[vast iron]

this is what happens when we have like 40 days to optimize a small blueprint

[wispy grove]

Why 8 forges

[vast iron]

idk, we guessing

[pulsar cypress]

Well.. Small blueprint x 4 still compact size..
Ready to use, less headache..

[wispy grove]

Theres 2 forges on each stage

[vast iron]

not as compact as a hybrid bp, but well. It works

[vast iron]

how do you know?

[wispy grove]

Wdym

Pattern

[pulsar cypress]

Because player in desperate thirst of xiranite..

[vast iron]

Bro it was literally

start with 1

+1

+2

thats

not a pattern

[wispy grove]

Lemme check again

[small creek]

jincao and yazhen? youre welcome

[vast iron]

and then it turns out useless…

[small creek]

Its not useless... it saves 85 power 🥹

[hoary crag]

the facilities alone if put in a sub-pac (8 forges)

[vast iron]

not when hybrid everything

Ts is not happening

[hoary crag]

the space between the forges and wuling plant loops is for pipes

[small creek]

well you could save 50 more power by using the liquid xiranite crucibles

but Hikarin doesnt want to cus it sacrifices aesthetic

[vast iron]

ive had enough of a headache with hybridfarmer please no more

[subtle finch]

looks like building a gunpla

[vast iron]

have you seen my design?.?

[small creek]

Nope hybrid farmer fun

[vast iron]

it was such a mess

[small creek]

Not yet

[hoary crag]

6 is definitely feasible to put in a subpac

[ruby sorrel]

I don't see a practical use for it tbh

[hoary crag]

8 is pretty much impossible

[vast iron]

I sent it a while wgo

the one that saves 90 power

[wispy grove]

Its a pattern bro. Theres still 2 per stage. We already have 1 forge thats why its +1

[vast iron]

with math

[vast iron]

im sorry, but 2 numbers aint a pattern

+1, +2, +4 is also a pattern

[hoary crag]

^^

[small creek]

Can u link me

[vast iron]

One sec

[small creek]

yellow cab destroyed my ability to think

im so full

[vast iron]

Remember this

[subtle finch]

imagine we get +1, +2, +3

[vast iron]

7 is such an awkward number

…

[hoary crag]

7 forges is so weird

[small creek]

Oh yeah i remember this

[hoary crag]

imagine having two triple forge setup

and then the 7th forge is just there in the corner

[small creek]

YazA JincC but really compact

[vast iron]

It "saves" 5 power. Has: 9999 usage instructions, breaks if you use 1 extra ferrium per minute

[small creek]

so you removed the stash?

ffs

[vast iron]

uses 1 less crusher*

[small creek]

jeez

all that for a drop of power

bro 😭

[subtle finch]

[vast iron]

SAYS YOU

you have

no right

to say that

[small creek]

FRICK U I HAVE MY LIMITS

[shrewd knoll]

the moulding unit ruins the entire build

[wispy grove]

Fair enough

[small creek]

Pattern recognition goes wild

[subtle finch]

[subtle finch]

it's a 60 ferrium/min med
i could waste the 5 ferrium and do metastorage to skip the refinement

[vast iron]

you reworked. An entire blueprint. To save. Like. 1 planter.

[upper fiber]

if 1.2 still 512 limit, it is hard to compress them on PAC only

[small creek]

I reworked a billion blueprints to save 2 planters, 2 seeders, and 2 crucibles

but a shredder? PLEASE

[vast iron]

last time i checked you are considering merging blueprints to save protocol stashes

Or was that sm1 else

fuck

[small creek]

Oh ive gone way past that

[subtle finch]

can't wait for icebreaker game aic edition

[small creek]

I have removed the stashes for depot loaders

[vast iron]

puzzle game: fit this 12/min HC battery withtin this concave dodecagon to solve the puzzle (reward: 20 oro)

[upper fiber]

why PAC need pylon or relay, come on

[vast iron]

exactly just let the pac wirelessly power everything or smt

at least make it an upgrade

or something

[small creek]

imagine a pylonless PAC

oh what a revolution it would be

[vast iron]

They just refuse to give us

a 1x1 footprint pylon

[small creek]

we'll get it in La Fantoma or something guys trust

[subtle finch]

someone was asking for beltless aic a while back

that's just palworld

[small creek]

okay thats just insane

[vast iron]

give every facility the option to activate beltless transfer to send to aic

wouldnt brick factory but can save protocol stash ig

[subtle finch]

+5 power for beltess transfer

[small creek]

oh fuck off 😭

[vast iron]

make it ON by default

[upper fiber]

well protocol stash exists

[vast iron]

fuck protocol stash
all my homies hate protocol stash

[iron stratus]

just use depot loaders

[small creek]

yeah and it shouldnt

[small creek]

FUCK YEAH 🤝

[vast iron]

99% of people have never suffered from protocol stash
And i hope yall will never have to.

[hoary crag]

@subtle finch I finally managed to make a 3 forge setup that I aesthetically love and allows me to put 6 in a sub-pac

[subtle finch]

show

[bright zodiac]

( speedrun 120s built for specific reason )

dw, that set is long deleted by me

[hoary crag]

lemme finish it first

since I went for a symmetrical design

which means getting the first half to work will solve the second half as well

[subtle finch]

the pipes:

[upper fiber]

still waiting for 1.2 devlog, if 6 forge then need to continue abandoned project

[dreamy jungle]

I'm so not ready, if it's 8 forges

[gentle sentinel]

8?

[sonic summit]

guys help

[upper fiber]

not enough water

[small creek]

haha

[sonic summit]

but its 1 pump to 3 high quality

[upper fiber]

you split 3 and 3 again?

[bright zodiac]

because the split is not 1/3

dw

let it sit

it will eventually even

[vast iron]

clogging is my goat

[upper fiber]

just clogging your conduit with water

[sonic summit]

it not working because i let it sit though....

[vast iron]

let it sit, but more

[small creek]

cloggoat

[gentle sentinel]

You still have the issue?

[bright zodiac]

you use more than 1 splitter, its definitely not 1/3 for each high purity so.....

[sonic summit]

Different place same issue

[gentle sentinel]

Same issue

[bright zodiac]

so you have to wait until ONE of the HIGH purity got clogged with so much water , it dont take any water than necessary

[sonic summit]

yah it goes from full to empty in 1 full month

[upper fiber]

did you checked which one has trouble

[sonic summit]

its like 1 pump split to 2,99 instead of 3

[sonic summit]

random one

[bright zodiac]

how....

[sonic summit]

then repeating changing

[bright zodiac]

short solution, just use 1 splitter

[sonic summit]

each for 0,5 sec

[sonic summit]

i do though?

[gentle sentinel]

Long solution, use multiple splitter

[sonic summit]

i only use 1 pump to a spliter of 3

[vast iron]

True solution: cry

[bright zodiac]

are you sure that is ONE splitter?

[vast iron]

check if your pump is empty/clogged?

[sonic summit]

yeep both IS 1 spliter

[sonic summit]

empty

[vast iron]

interesting

[bright zodiac]

[upper fiber]

how many pumps you used

[gentle sentinel]

I do this

[sonic summit]

1 pump for 3 high purity

[sonic summit]

why outside?

just place it here

[gentle sentinel]

Fun fact I didn't know, even the last one you have issues with

[subtle finch]

it's because you need high purity water

[sonic summit]

the probelm only persist on 1 pump to 3 high purity bed

[gentle sentinel]

Look

[sonic summit]

if it have 2 low purity in it it fine even if its 2 high and 2 low

[upper fiber]

are you sure the problematic rig is from the 3 high and not the other parts?

[vast iron]

a low is 1/3 of a high

[sonic summit]

yes in fact the one that got low purity clogs evey bed

[bright zodiac]

if that somehow 99% water into 1 RIG, and the other TWO got 100,5%

and u said it will take month to clog? well, just disconnect 1 99% rig, let the other two clog, will only take a minute

then connect those pipe back

[vast iron]

wait no

its 1/2

[hoary crag]

@subtle finch

[vast iron]

Is it?

[hoary crag]

25x49 triple forge setup

[ruby sorrel]

can't rotate forges to drop stashes?

[sonic summit]

yeah it clogged in fact

[hoary crag]

good point

[bright zodiac]

but then your right side forge cant be rotate and still need stash and rip symm

[upper fiber]

did you use the leftover 0.5 to other rigs?

[sonic summit]

its 2 high purity and 2 low purity though....

[gentle sentinel]

The right side could

[hoary crag]

I'm doing the full 6 setup rn and see if there's things I can change

[subtle finch]

nice, just a shame you're so close to the pac, and can't use the inputs

[bright zodiac]

yes but u HAD to drag a whole new pipe line which makes it ugly

[gentle sentinel]

It is what it is

[upper fiber]

so 1 pump for 3 high,
1 pump for 1 high 1 low, then other area 1 high 1 low?

[hoary crag]

I'm doing all 6 rn

and there's some clear changes to be made

[solid python]

Just rotate the PAC and move the Stash

[gentle sentinel]

Maybe chop this bridge and split from the right miner?

[subtle finch]

chop the what

[gentle sentinel]

bridge my bad

[vale topaz]

1 day graph of v4 and wuling, no splitter, so maybe splitter effect your place with random -1 ?

[subtle finch]

i regret gifting these people

[upper fiber]

those with 200% trust are units i don't use

[golden burrow]

"notice me endmin"

[vale topaz]

.... almost reached 30m limit of v4 stock.
and nothing to buy

[bright zodiac]

thats where the excess production should go

[ruby sorrel]

dump it all on food

[upper fiber]

nothing ~~worth ~~to buy

[fervent spoke]

Waste money on food you'll never use

[bright zodiac]

clear out shop basically....

still has excess

[golden burrow]

is any of the food even worth it

bc i know the healing stuff is powercrept by wuling stuff

[vale topaz]

only bought defense up and attack up ones.
so a total of 80 food items.

[ruby sorrel]

idk eat jakub for farming protocol or something stupid

[bright zodiac]

jakub or kuntub, eat it like candy

[ruby sorrel]

they're just going to take your bills away anyways

[golden burrow]

hmm alright

[vale topaz]

guess i'll just stack more engraving permit....

100 ++ and still got no time to use them

[shrewd sigil]

It's this good

[wispy grove]

That looks

Good yeah

[vale topaz]

for starting or new to aic, yeah.

[wispy grove]

Its better to do that than let the seed clog the factory

[mild imp]

Why?

[mild imp]

[fervent lodge]

generational yap

[mild imp]

Lmfao

I just never respond to those messages

[subtle finch]

xaihi's messages are the only one i find funny

[sonic summit]

now move eveything to wuling,58k for each

[mild imp]

Is it bad to have excess stuff?

[sonic summit]

nope

[keen river]

some of those 200 trust chats arent bad imo

[upper fiber]

3 weeks feels so long....

[golden burrow]

play other games brah

apparently we're getting another dev com this sunday?

if same schedule as last time

[upper fiber]

let see if they post it in 12hrs+

[twilit iron]

whelp, frick me, time to rework my factory so i can have more energy for the future

[sonic summit]

you can combine the crucible that make liquid xiranite with yashen to make syringe it save you 50 energy and a waterline for saving 1 crucible

[twilit iron]

im already making syringe, but the first one

[idle stump]

when do i switch from lc batt to sc batt?

[golden burrow]

whenever your outposts can buy it

[idle stump]

can i use buck flower for carbon instead of sandleaf in sc batt blueprint?

[golden burrow]

you can (and should) use wuling plants instead

for carbon

[idle stump]

any reason for that?

[golden burrow]

i forgot the exact detail but they make 2 carbon when refined or smth

compared to 1 from the valley plants

[idle stump]

okkkk

[golden burrow]

ok i checked and is right

valley plants make 1 carbon when refined, wuling plants make 2

[olive basalt]

why am i getting 90 cuprium only

im mining every spot

[keen river]

they also use half as many planters, so they are essentially 4x as efficient per planter

[upper fiber]

no water

[thick otter]

Minmax battery is basically letting ur reserve energy goes to near zero and recharge it back again with surplus before it hit zero. Am i getting this right?

[golden burrow]

yes

wait no?

who was that

💀

[golden burrow]

anyway if you wanna do that stuff you should probably check dige

the website

[thick otter]

Lemme check

[olive basalt]

cant figure out why my cuprium part usage jumps up and down from 70 to 60

[upper fiber]

bp user?

otherwise you would realize you're making cup component

[olive basalt]

derogatory?

[calm rover]

Is this the max yield for Valley?

[olive basalt]

[upper fiber]

blueprint

[thick otter]

Its helpfull thankss

[olive basalt]

hell naw

[wispy grove]

You have 6/min on yazhen A

Then 10 goes to the comp

Thats why

Unless you reduce your yazhenA production

[marble marsh]

ya got to love that moment when ya run out of components and ya have to cut your battery production for it

[leaden drift]

A definitely

Normal graph

[golden burrow]

interesting

(looks good visually actually)

[vast iron]

Surely having crystal fibers in your water cant have side effects...

[marble marsh]

Got to love the random componenten and battery peaks

[vast iron]

Sadly, normal

[marble marsh]

Eh I currently cut 1 side of my battery production in half cuz I ran out of components

I remember having like 10k when I stoped producing lol

[coral orchid]

why can't I share this zipline?

[leaden drift]

All automatic

[vale topaz]

your 6 symmetrical xiranite model made me revamp tang tang village into 8 symmetrical xiranite ( the copy paste design able to fit 8 xiranite line )

[cyan forge]

Hm so

I think am producing too much battery

[fervent lodge]

good job

[cyan forge]

What do i do cos am close to full

[calm rover]

Can anyone explain why my originium yield is different in current and theoretical?

[cyan forge]

U maxed out

[vale topaz]

your warehouse is full with originium ore

[calm rover]

Ooo thanks

[cyan forge]

Man... Do i have to build an external storage for these damned battery....

I hate this already

[marble marsh]

ya are maxed on batteries?

[cyan forge]

Almost

The wuling one

[marble marsh]

arent ya selling them?

[cyan forge]

I kinda dgaf for the valley one, but this wuling, ugh

[cyan forge]

I am and am near maxed

[marble marsh]

oh dam lol

[subtle finch]

im using item control port as guides to prevent my bp from being placed incorrectly, at least they can be useful this way

[cyan forge]

I woke up today with 53k

I rly need to somehow move em out but still keep em in wuling

Ugh

[marble marsh]

i currently cut part of my battery production cuz tang tang ate all my components

[cyan forge]

I had 53k after i cut 1 of my forge to make components

Should've added that

[marble marsh]

i just halfed the stuff that goes into 2 of my cruicibles and send that to my gearing unit

[cyan forge]

It's better to cut 1 from the forge directly tho

[marble marsh]

i still have a full line working max for batteries

[cyan forge]

If u do that, u ensure ur sewage won't clog cos -1 forge = +1 water treatment for sewage that should've become xircon

[marble marsh]

eh if my sewage clogs it will just stop my bottle production for some time so it wont be that bad

[cyan forge]

I don't want my sewage to ever clog

[marble marsh]

as long as my part production doesnt clog im all fine

[cyan forge]

It should never clog

[lapis crane]

you could use priority loop system to anti clog excess sewage

[cyan forge]

Yeah that's also a possible solution

Am too lazy to make one, so i just redirect le pipe to a new treatment

[lapis crane]

and i made it even worse

[marble marsh]

i have multiple treatment units and a few tanks for that

[cyan forge]

Gosh

Btw @lapis crane how many prot stash can we fit into the subaic in wuling?

[marble marsh]

most of the time the treatment units are off cuz i use as much as i produce

[cyan forge]

I was considering putting half of my wuling battery into dead protocol stash for the time being

[lapis crane]

basically i need to loop sewage system long enough to use up build up xiranite
but not long enough to drain out sewage from making cuprium

while also get cuprium components mats

[marble marsh]

just spend a few hours moving them to valley manualy

[cyan forge]

Sounds complicated

[cyan forge]

I don't want to move em into valley

I want to sell em in the future

[marble marsh]

not as complicated as factorio mods lol

[lapis crane]

until limit?
i remeber testing my base so I get rid of every built up xiranite in them

[cyan forge]

The last time i moved 20k bat from valley to wuling, i got too lazy moving em back

[cyan forge]

Limit of space/facilities, yep

My current subaic is empty

So i was thinking of making it into a storage of dead protocol stash for stashing batteries

[lapis crane]

basically just making it loop long enough to use xiranite
and after sewage production automatically cut off from limitor making cuprium

sewage will stay in loop until excess xiranite use up

and then the rest of sewage will flow to treatment unit

[cyan forge]

I see

[lapis crane]

yeah it will run as long as xiranite are there
and when it gone it will just flushed out like the toilet

[cyan forge]

[lapis crane]

I dont want to keep making it since it just built up xiranite

basically overproduction

[cyan forge]

It uses so many facilities tho

[lapis crane]

so need some way to stop it
automatically

[cyan forge]

Since they count each splitter/converger as 1 facility each

[lapis crane]

yeah sadly

[sand pivot]

the shit we be doing because of the lack of resources 😭

[cyan forge]

I'd rather just add +1 water treatment for 50 power than use 20 facilities to unclog

[sand pivot]

I can't believe they didn't give us some extra resources so we can produce components without having to disable our money making production lines 💀

[cyan forge]

[lapis crane]

tbh if you make low enough of components
their money production is much slower than what u make anyway

[cyan forge]

^

[lapis crane]

that why I ran auto switch base for component (each side 1.5/m)

[cyan forge]

I still had too much batteries even tho 1 of my forge was feeding into comp

[lapis crane]

but my subaic got tumor now

just to use excess xiranite somehow built up

[vale topaz]

how to zoom out further for better aic view ....

compared to your guys screenshot, mine seem less zoomed out

[lapis crane]

basically take multiple photos and merge them

i’m not one doing it so idk how they did

[sand pivot]

copy a big blueprint and ctrl + c it

[gentle sentinel]

You combine the screenshots

[sand pivot]

and move it to the side

[vale topaz]

x_X i guess i'll wait until dev allow more zoom out

[cyan forge]

That works?

[sand pivot]

or you combine screenshots (too much of a pain in the butt but yeah)

[sand pivot]

yeah

you can put like 50 belts in a line

[cyan forge]

Nice tip

[sand pivot]

ctrl + c it and you can see a big part of the base

not as much as the ss draconics sent

but still more than we can by default

[cyan forge]

I wonder if my main aic would have enuf space to produce valley battery

[lapis crane]

yeah it just technically merged picture

[cyan forge]

I should prolly test that out tmr

Am afraid am runnin low on battery

Lol

[vale topaz]

x_X so fast, i'm still struggling emptying wuling stock, just able to defeat stock regeneration few days ago.

[lapis crane]

and meanwhile us
having overflow sc batt

[vale topaz]

i guess xiranite comp and curpite comp triggered my ocd to max their storage

[lapis crane]

I will do that when lv90 gear came out

[vale topaz]

oh btw, time to fill survey

[cyan forge]

I don't even have enuf cupri parts to make cupri comps

I made like maybe 15k total, and it's down to 6k now

Why's everything so expensive

[marble marsh]

i finaly maxed all my tang tang gear still have to make components cuz of yvone and gill

[cyan forge]

I wonder if i need to cut down one of my cupri part usages so i can make more comp

[marble marsh]

just make like 1K to craft base gear and then for enhancing gear use regular componants

[lapis crane]

maybe
tbh I hate to redesign my base for components switching

so I just make them automatically use them without need to rebuild my base

[cyan forge]

It's cheaper to make cupri gear

Etching using regular gear is kinda....

I mean unless u don't have a good match, sure

[cyan forge]

Lmao same, i just put the control port forwhatevr i wanna make

[cyan forge]

Also u can't artifice redeemer without a redeemer

[marble marsh]

redeemer?

[cyan forge]

Yep

The nonset gear

[marble marsh]

oooh i havent used the nonset gears at all lol

[cyan forge]

What?

Not even in ur artificing?

Even tho u can get good match?

Thing is like, catalyst is so expensive that making cupri gear is much better than making xira comp in general unless they both give standard match

Which mean any artificing for chest and glove that has str/agi mainstat is best with cupri

[marble marsh]

i just checked the redeemer gears and they just dont have the correct stat combinations i want

[cyan forge]

Int chest, ult gain chest, the other was... Agi chest? I forgot what it was tbh. Then the agi glove and str glove. All skill glove and i forgot the other.

Aside from those, it's prolly not that worth, u r correct

[marble marsh]

i should prob star working on my yvone gear lol

[cyan forge]

[marble marsh]

my tang tang has 2K more attack

[cyan forge]

My tt almost surpassed my lr's atk as well

She will be by the time i max out her essence

[marble marsh]

talking about essence i should etch tang tangs one lol

i have hers on 5/4/3 right now (i wish i was joking)

ill let my component lines work for the weekend i should have enough then for yvone and gill next week

[sonic summit]

btw rosi need crit rate artifice right ?

[marble marsh]

i think ya can better ask in #help or #team-build but idk

[sonic summit]

RIGHT..

[leaden drift]

So we can have around 690k liquid xiranite stored right?

Not including the holding facility

Just in bottles

[subtle finch]

im scared

what are you planning

[leaden drift]

Hoarding all bottles of liquid xiranite

Then have 128k regular xiranite ready

Basically max everything

All forms of xiranite hoarded

[mortal plinth]

Man ..... This design is so ugly 😔 I'm not sure how to make it nicer lmao

[subtle finch]

isn't effluent better? since it's 2 liquid in one

[vast iron]

Insanity.

[vast iron]

Its not

Thats xircon

Effluent is a 1-1 recipe

Also you cant automate liquid extraction... no?

[mortal plinth]

Having to put input and output pipes and belts on a 3x3 building is ridiculous.

[vast iron]

First time?

[mortal plinth]

Yeah I just now started updating my factory for 1.1

[leaden drift]

U can

Splitter

Or seperator

[vast iron]

I mean

[leaden drift]

Im also hoarding sewage like a werido

[vast iron]

You cant automate taking liquids out of bottles

No?

[mortal plinth]

Drink it.

[mortal plinth]

You can

[vast iron]

Huh

Never tried

[leaden drift]

There's a factory for it

[subtle finch]

i mean it saves 2 process, you wont be needing water and sewage to make xircon later

[leaden drift]

Thats how

[vast iron]

Which one

[leaden drift]

My xircon is 85

[mortal plinth]

Separating unit

[vast iron]

Ooh

[subtle finch]

though we probably don't know if either will be useful later, we just saw different colored liquids

[vast iron]

I honestly forgot that existed

[mortal plinth]

This thing

[vast iron]

Never used it

Lol

No wonder

[mortal plinth]

It's kinda useless 🤣

[leaden drift]

It probably wont be that usefull

[vast iron]

nearly 0 purpose

Exactly

[leaden drift]

Bot i now have 85 xircon a minute

[vast iron]

So useless i forgot it existed

[mortal plinth]

I think it was only added in case you bottle a lot of liquid but then later change your mind and want the raw liquid instead...or something

[subtle finch]

bottles are not consumed, so it's definitely one form of hoarding

[vast iron]

Its probably pretty big too

[leaden drift]

Its only good for two items atm sewage and liquid xiranite

[vast iron]

New chen circuit unlocked: seperating into filling unit

[mortal plinth]

It's like 5x4 or something

[vast iron]

6 by 4 ok ic

[leaden drift]

And if ur crazy liquid affluent

[vast iron]

Just stockpile xircon

[leaden drift]

It might use red dust in the future

So xircon could be obsolete

[vast iron]

Ya never know

What if the recipe just doesnt use effluent

You have to idk process inert with cuprium dust or smt clueless

[leaden drift]

Ill have 690k in liquid xiranite

🙂

[subtle finch]

i think it's pointless unless you set a record with it

[vast iron]

Dont forget the 40k pool!

[leaden drift]

Yup yup yup

[subtle finch]

like highest sustained output for a week

[vast iron]

Entire subpac. All fluid tanks.

[leaden drift]

I probably can do that

[mortal plinth]

I think I might place the syringe production on the sub PAC, this shit is just too ugly

It makes my eyes hurt.

[leaden drift]

Thats what I did

[mortal plinth]

Yeah fr....

[leaden drift]

Along with my xirnaite overflow protection

[vast iron]

Learn to be blind

My factory can be called a cognitohazard

[mortal plinth]

Problem is I need the sewage to mix with xiranite.....

But! Thank god for the new building og

[vast iron]

200 conduits carrying

[leaden drift]

Just do that part in the main base

And store the rest of it

[vast iron]

Just do everything in main base
We dont need to make it look good

[mortal plinth]

Oh I just had a great idea! I'll put the cuprium production in main, then the rest in sub-PAC

Thx voice inside my head

[leaden drift]

I need to get a new picture

But my base be like

[mortal plinth]

Wtf is going on with the pipes in the south east corner

[leaden drift]

Sewage overflow treatment

Its changes since then

[fervent lodge]

is that an oob zip

[leaden drift]

But because I can vary my xircon production sewage needs to be able to adapt to the usage

[mortal plinth]

Wattt......conduit inlet and outlet don't use power... Dang it

[vast iron]

That many splitters, is overkill, surely ..

[subtle finch]

you don't need it that long im sure

[vast iron]

Well no matter

Pipes dont rly take up facility space

Apparently

[mortal plinth]

But they have limited length

So pulling a pipe all the way down to the bottom of base does take facility space

Cause you need to lengthen it with bridges or spliters and stuff

[fervent lodge]

probably something to this extent

[vast iron]

Oh my god what is that

[mortal plinth]

Yeah well....idk what that is and something tells me I don't wanna know...

[vast iron]

[fervent lodge]

my poop overflow stash

[vast iron]

Surely thats overkill

My overflow is like 3 splitters

[mortal plinth]

Why you even need that?

I don't get it.

[fervent lodge]

to have a buffer for poop shortage

[mortal plinth]

It's not poop btw

[vast iron]

This is fucking genious

[fervent lodge]

I CACKLED the first time i saw it

[mortal plinth]

The real life equivalent of "sewage" is actually a highly violent acid used for processing copper irl

[fervent lodge]

i know it's industrial waste byproduct

also known as poop.

[mortal plinth]

It literally has the same colour, and dumping it into the world has catastrophic results.

[fervent lodge]

that's why i keep it in tanks

[mortal plinth]

lol yeah

The game would probably get sued if they let you dump that stuff in the world

🤣

"Arknights Endfield hit with promoting harming the environment, they are not escaping these allegations!"

[fervent lodge]

i tried the powerwash simulator event and it's an infuriating insult to everything powerwash simulator stands for
at least the factory is still good

[vast iron]

Funny you say that....

[mortal plinth]

Power wash SIM, that game is satisfying for sure

[vast iron]

Anyways lets keep selling the citizens carbonated drinks in copper bottles

[fervent lodge]

game? yeah
the event took every single satisfying thing about it and meticulously made it unsatisfying on purpose

[mortal plinth]

ferrium (iron) bottles arent much better..... lmfao....

we literally got STEEL in the game yet we use ferrium for bottles...why

[vast iron]

Jincao tea is literally carbonated drink

Its in the description

[subtle finch]

i think this is a good reminder for this psa, the inert treatment unit can handle the excess sewage, you don't need crazy setups like that

[mortal plinth]

the ferrium is carbonated too ig

[vast iron]

Im not even gonna question what a carbonated tea is...

[fervent lodge]

oh i know

i just wanted a poop stash

[mortal plinth]

wdym? there is carbonated tea

[fervent lodge]

it doesn't matter what i do to sewage lines, they'll always be balanced

[mortal plinth]

but imo thats not really tea anymore

just a soda with tea flavor

[leaden drift]

Mayb

[fervent lodge]

can i has...

[vast iron]

Why do you have this 😭

[fervent lodge]

why not

[vast iron]

Valid no further questions will be asked

[real crescent]

its a good meme

[vast iron]

The last row is just
....

[leaden drift]

This is my sewage sorting system

It also bottles sewage

[fervent lodge]

like i could have added up the lines and made sure the exact amounts are filtered

[leaden drift]

[vast iron]

Bottling sewage isnt clog detection?

[fervent lodge]

but i also can just dump it into the Sewage Buffer and take it from there

[leaden drift]

My system varies in sewage use this ensures that I will always be treating the extra

[fervent lodge]

yep

[leaden drift]

Nope its just there to bottle

If that gets clogged all of it gets treated

[subtle finch]

can you use bottled sewage in depot node?

[vast iron]

You should be able to since its an item

[subtle finch]

they better give us new bottles for every new ore

[leaden drift]

You can store it yeah

Thats how ima get 690k sewage and 690k xiranite

[fervent lodge]

💀

bro is running a pepsi plant

[real crescent]

but why

[subtle finch]

is bottled sewage tea?

[real crescent]

doubled rebel id say yes

bottled xiranite would be much better

[subtle finch]

forbidden mt dew

[fervent spoke]

There are only 4 types of bottles, or not? where are you storing the other 146.000 sewage /xiranite

[real crescent]

are you on EU/NA?

[leaden drift]

Amethyst, ferrium, crystal, steel, copium

[fervent spoke]

Ahh! I forgot about steel

[cedar phoenix]

isn't there cryston bottle too ? (wait, that's "crystal")

[fervent spoke]

And here i thought you found a secret way to store it in fangyi's office

[fervent lodge]

ye

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[real crescent]

ill add you in a few min

[fervent lodge]

@subtle finch

numbers slightly off tho