aic-factory

[young igloo]

[wispy grove]

i really dont get what u wanna say

show a vid instead

[turbid bough]

stashing worked

[wispy grove]

[wispy grove]

yeah but

its still a bug tho

[vast iron]

endfield version of "try turning it off then on again" lol

[young igloo]

it start being funny

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[turbid bough]

@tardy warren @unique gull

[storm garnet]

fk, i just discovered some cuprium refineries were clogged, but i turned them off before i saw it, so idk if it was a bug or something that happened cause i was doing things in the factory

[tiny topaz]

ok actually fixed it

[vast iron]

i mean check if your reactors multi processing broke too

[wispy grove]

clogged from?

[vast iron]

Seems to be a common issue rn..?

[wispy grove]

@fathom glade we got 2nd case here. but we still dont know the cause

[turbid bough]

and here I was wondering why my ferrium was so high after coming home.

[storm garnet]

i'm shutting down most reactors cause i'm moving many things, it was just a coincidence, just wondering the exact cause

[tacit quarry]

I just wondering, do we need to use battery saver on wuling?, since we are likely to maxout stockbill anyway and still have plenty of battery left

[jovial breach]

not that plenty if you burn like 3/min

[storm garnet]

cuprium itself not being out of the refinery, when the belt goes to depot

which is rare, what i was moving was basically pipes, so it should be the sewage being clogged and then not making cuprium

[vast iron]

on lol #do-not-post-or-get-beaned got them

Oops wrong reply

mb

[tacit quarry]

you will most likely to only use 2/min
3 is overkill even with all turret place

[storm garnet]

gotta love bots getting banned by themselves

[wispy grove]

oh right, how many facilities does your cuprium belts have?

[tiny topaz]

efficient now?

[storm garnet]

i do this for cuprium

[tiny topaz]

i mean except for the ONE sandleaf powder

[young igloo]

still too much belt

[storm garnet]

a mix of depot and direct

[wispy grove]

[tiny topaz]

its tough to avoid lol

[upbeat blade]

belted

[jovial breach]

that's good, now try to make the belts cleaner

[tiny topaz]

believe me i hate belts too

[vast iron]

First time?

[storm garnet]

refer to this for optimal belt for 2 xiranite lines

[jovial breach]

wait something is not right

[storm garnet]

(it still uses extra dense and stabilized for some reason)

[storm garnet]

lol, wuling brain got too deep

[wispy grove]

does loaders slow things up? cause im using stash and i dont have self clogging refinery

[turbid bough]

It's sandleaf, it's not yazhen or jincao. first seed/plant needs to be selfcontained

[vast iron]

have you tested how much of an increase double belting gives?

[tiny topaz]

wym

[young igloo]

try mine?

same size

[storm garnet]

if online, it should be fine. offline, it's just belt bug attacking again. idk if it was offline or not.

[jovial breach]

for sandleaf, you need 2 planters + 1 seeder

[jovial breach]

too big

[storm garnet]

extra belting helps most of the time, but it seems it's not foolproof

the items on the right should be 50 if perfect offline

those 2 are the only not working properly somehow though

everything else is perfect

[jovial breach]

wait so i should double belt everything?

[storm garnet]

if possible, yes

[wispy grove]

try not connecting your refineries to your fitting unit

[young igloo]

nah try online 24/7

it help better

[jovial breach]

so adding belts does make you get more stuff magically

crazy

[storm garnet]

the ones connected to fitting units were fine actually

[vast iron]

#1467519294836314153 mine(fully confined 24 by 29)

[storm garnet]

but don't worry guys, i was doing many things, so it's not for sure this cuprium thing was a bug

[wispy grove]

[storm garnet]

just weird for now

[vast iron]

realistically the increase is like less than a percent

do it if you wanna optimize

[young igloo]

[jovial breach]

damn now we're talking

[vast iron]

its still currently the smallest 2-xiranite design but not 4

[jovial breach]

oh wait

it's leander des

no wonder it's familiar

[vast iron]

an improved version

slightly smaller by 1

[stoic lark]

is it just my game bugging or is jincao tea not sellable?

[jovial breach]

it is not

[wispy grove]

its not sellable

[young igloo]

lmao another one

[wispy grove]

wait till next patch

[vast iron]

leanders 60min is 24 by 30

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[vast iron]

well both are outdated but still

[young igloo]

i got like 20k jincao tea too

[stoic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kanokari-anime-fall-kazuya-kinoshita-gif-26402084

[vast iron]

The new 120/min one beats both so we die anywqys

leander too goated 3:

[wispy grove]

you shouldve checked first

[jovial breach]

good thing i realized it early

[stoic lark]

i built them all before upgrading the stockade

[vast iron]

I think i have either 1.8k or 18k

[jovial breach]

man nobody would have thought of checking that ngl

[wispy grove]

just replace the items within ur planter

[turbid bough]

build it for next patch 5head

[wispy grove]

dont worry i did the same i used jincao, then asked to my self, why it doesnt look red?

all i know i need red product

[vast iron]

selling raw cuprium (loading…)

[wispy grove]

why did it turn green?

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[vast iron]

Oh and btw

you realize if you just sell the raw cuprium components

Yazhen A only costs 2 more…

so 5 bottles of liquid yazhen are 2 bucks

[wispy grove]

lemme check

[stoic lark]

lmao

[wispy grove]

how do u even sell components lmao

i know u can sell parts

[tiny topaz]

why?

[sonic summit]

the game demands that why

[upbeat blade]

rate of plant are diff

[tiny topaz]

oh i guess for time optimization

[stoic lark]

nah

more like infinite dupes

[tiny topaz]

i mean it dupes this way too just slower

[stoic lark]

if you only use 1 planter it will run out, but if you get a second planter that feeds itself to the seeder it keeps duping

[tiny topaz]

right

[jovial breach]

@vast iron bruh i tried placing that 60/min xira down and game crashed

[tiny topaz]

fitting this seems like a pain

[jovial breach]

Send it pls

[stoic lark]

you can detach the sandleaf production and feed it to depot if u wanna fit it easier

but honestly i like it it looks pretty

[vast iron]

oh god, ive created a weapon on accident

[subtle finch]

EFO01I3A5II7i59715o08

[vast iron]

Oh i meant parts mb

[jovial breach]

A bit bigger but a lot more clean

[vast iron]

just wait till you see my most unclean blueprint

[young igloo]

wait 1 pump only?

[vast iron]

here

[subtle finch]

2 merged

[vast iron]

This design is funny because if you dont use exactly 120 cuprium and 115 ferrium it will implode

[young igloo]

nah i cant

[vast iron]

in return it saves 90 power

[young igloo]

[upbeat blade]

alldat for 1 battery zmh

[turbid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[vast iron]

I love making funny blueprints…

:3

[tacit quarry]

how much resource does depot unloader use per minute? per 1 depot

[turbid bough]

30

[vast iron]

each depot outputs 30

[turbid bough]

belt rate is 1/2s

[vast iron]

1/2s

[young igloo]

belt rate is funny

not 1/2

[vast iron]

i wish it was 1/s

[young igloo]

[vast iron]

[young igloo]

but yes the loader is 30/m

[vast iron]

oh god a hybrid blueprint

[young igloo]

[stoic lark]

i wish the item control ports let you just type in the number than spam click or microdragging slider

[tacit quarry]

how much meta storage give resource? like how long until it give that amout of res

[vast iron]

they max out at 5k anyways so useless lol

like lemme set it at 1836192

[leaden drift]

they are useful for some ..... specific.... weird bps

[young igloo]

if i am dev im making it only +1 or -1 each 0.2s

[thorn vault]

why

[leaden drift]

double it and give it to the next guy

[leaden drift]

maybe wrong direction?

[young igloo]

thats an outlet

[thorn vault]

OH yea oops placed wrong one

[leaden drift]

yeah ur pipe is the wrong way

[young igloo]

you need an inlet

[jovial breach]

@vast ironbtw i should have total of 2/3 excess sandleaf right?

as in 20/min

[subtle finch]

i made a compact enough syringe production, if you're already leeching out yazhen solution from xircon crucibles

[vast iron]

for the xiranite blueprint?

0

[subtle finch]

i hate the filling unit

[vast iron]

the ratios make some farms not operate at full efficiency so, 0 excess

[thorn vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/910236094040248351.webp?size=44

[young igloo]

i hate this game in total

[vast iron]

Its the cost of running a 5-farm setup

[young igloo]

[vast iron]

[jovial breach]

no i mean for the entire wuling

[tacit quarry]

so about metastorage transfer,
it give about 25 base resource per minute right?

[vast iron]

uh you can run a 1-farm 1 planter sandleaf setup to generate 1.5 lines of powder for 0.5 lines of excess

[jovial breach]

6 farm is 18/3 sandleaf, and you need 2/3 for each xiranite, 4/3 for each sc battery

[vast iron]

6 whole setups is overkill

use 5 +2/3 sandleaf setups to save 20 power

[jovial breach]

i mean yes so you're left with 20/min sandleaf

[vast iron]

15

[jovial breach]

so that's the issue

[vast iron]

15 is half a line

[vast iron]

if you optimize you should be left with 5/min sandlead or 15/min powder of excess

thats if you use

5 full 3 farm setups

and 1 2 farm setup

[jovial breach]

huh what im missing

component?

[vast iron]

Think

wuling farm but for sandleaf

it makes enough to fuel 1 grinding unit

so you have 5 full farms fueling 15 grinding units

[jovial breach]

15?

[vast iron]

and this "half farm" fueling the 16th one instead of making a whole 3 piece setup

[jovial breach]

ur making component

dont you

[vast iron]

cuprium ones

only

i have like

40k xiranite components

[jovial breach]

then why only 15 grinders

[dark furnace]

this belt bug

[vast iron]

16

but the 16th grinder doesnt need a whole 3 sandleaf farms to make sandleaf for it

[jovial breach]

oh ok

[vast iron]

you can get away with a 1 farm 1 seeder setup

[wispy grove]

Sorry bro thats ur factory

[vast iron]

it makes 1.5 lines of sandleaf powder**

[wispy grove]

I dont have that issue

[vast iron]

just enough to fuel it

[jovial breach]

yes ok simply put, im having 2/3 sandleaf excess

[vast iron]

20/min sandleaf excess

yes?

[wispy grove]

You lack originium then since it clogged

[subtle finch]

might as well get the full efficiency for depot node

[jovial breach]

yes

[vast iron]

yes thats normal

if you run a 3 farm setup for the last grinder

[jovial breach]

2 farm

[wispy grove]

Lemme sleep

[vast iron]

3 farm i mean 2 farm 1 seed

right?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-daniel-labelle-jump-in-bed-sleep-sleep-time-gif-16384901082448291556

[jovial breach]

lol yes

[dark furnace]

I just cleaned the dense powder 6 hours ago

[vast iron]

ah i was talking about

1 farm 1 seed setup

it makes .5 sandleaf lines

Which can fuel the last 16th grinder

to use less power

[wispy grove]

Lets talk about that 6 hrs later

[subtle finch]

anyone have a zipline here for asia? i'll send you production assist for 1 year

[jovial breach]

ok lets start again all 4 xiranite is 2/3 times 4 so 8/3 sandleaf, 2 sc is 4/3 times 2 so also 8/3 sandleaf, that's 16/3, and with 5 farm i only have 15/3 sandleaf so i need somehow to get 1/3 sandleaf

[dark furnace]

dm me your UID

[vast iron]

yes, 1 farm 1 planter makes 1.5/3 sandleaf

there you go

[subtle finch]

4327927806

[jovial breach]

damn

ok

[vast iron]

lol that was simple

[jovial breach]

20 power saved

big

[vast iron]

huge

[dark furnace]

fr sent

[vast iron]

Thats 4 ziplines bro

[dark furnace]

@subtle finch sent

[young igloo]

big

how many rig 1 pump support again?

[subtle finch]

omg thanks, i can finally complete my ziplines

[dark furnace]

I can use that 1 year production assist

[vast iron]

High purity : 1/3 of a pump
Low purity: 1/6 of a pump

[young igloo]

spamming inlet is safe right

[vast iron]

safe from?

[subtle finch]

i have capped today
it's almost reset now though

[young igloo]

facility cap

[vast iron]

more efficient than dragging pipes ig

just be careful of how you split the water

that is big facility cap hurt

[storm garnet]

i fixed my factory v2 final final version this time for sur-wait, 10 energy?

[vast iron]

surely theres 2 burnable ziplines, right?

[storm garnet]

i wish

[vast iron]

did you hydro pump everything?

[storm garnet]

everything is optimized, though with high purity in mind

[vast iron]

thats rough

also whys your originium yield at 204

[storm garnet]

cause i just turned it on

[vast iron]

if youre not making 12/min batteries you can probably use 7 .5/min excess originium in a thermal right? Or are you

thatl bump you up a bit

[jovial breach]

If i stop making syringe c im losing 1280 sc a day

[storm garnet]

i'm making 12 sc

[jovial breach]

[vast iron]

dang

[tiny topaz]

okay hows it look now?

[jovial breach]

Ain't no way if i turn on component im at 3.42k/3.4k power

[tiny topaz]

actually i think i already see maybe one improvement

[jovial breach]

This is the end

[vast iron]

laugh at this user

[jovial breach]

Pls tell how do i generate 20 more power

[vast iron]

burn originium

Youre running components you should have spare

[upbeat blade]

not worth

[young igloo]

yeah its

ratio correctly

but

[vast iron]

what else you gonna do with it

[jovial breach]

Oh wait nvm im dump, i haven't take the extra treatment unit into account

[upbeat blade]

just remove 1 zipline

[vast iron]

lo

[upbeat blade]

heh

[young igloo]

still not space efficient

[jovial breach]

So it's actually 70 power

[vast iron]

1 zipline is 5 lol

[young igloo]

turn off 2 more zipline

[upbeat blade]

4 then

[jovial breach]

So i need 2 thermal banks running on originium

[young igloo]

oh 4 mb

[storm garnet]

it seems i can save 5 if i connect again the east zipline route in wuling city and disconnect the west one

[tiny topaz]

what do i need to look for to improve space wise

[young igloo]

you dont need that much zipline anyway

[young igloo]

idk

[jovial breach]

Actually yes i do have some useless ziplines

[young igloo]

i dont make the rule

[vast iron]

bro youre not using the extra originium for anything anyways
Assuming 11/min sc, you should have like 40 spare

[vast iron]

well that makes it simple

[jovial breach]

That's like only 5 or 10 power saved

[young igloo]

4 zipline

i know you got 4 useless zipline

[tiny topaz]

i think this is prob good enough?

[vast iron]

oh god the spaghetti is worse

what have you done…

[tiny topaz]

ignore that one sandleaf i did fix it lol

[young igloo]

wait

2 sandleaf shreadder?

[vast iron]

pretend one is carbon

[tiny topaz]

that one sandleaf powder was just some crossed wires i fixed

[young igloo]

owh ok

[jovial breach]

If i use 1/4 xiranite for component how much originium i use less?

[tiny topaz]

i could move the one grinder over.....

wait i got it

[vast iron]

9/min sc would be 120 spare originium

[jovial breach]

Huh

[vast iron]

100/min if xiranite component i think

[jovial breach]

No it's like 10.5

[vast iron]

10.5

uhm

[jovial breach]

Im only taking out 1/4 xiranite

[storm garnet]

fuck. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. i just deleted a shared zipline to put mine...

[vast iron]

60/min spare

[storm garnet]

it was the perfect spot too

[jovial breach]

Oh nice

[vast iron]

i can feel the pain through the screen

[lean frost]

Probably need to rework your piping system to be placed more inside your AIC area

I imagine a lot of those slots are from pipes

[storm garnet]

that's the building limit shared with inside and outside aic

[lost belfry]

Does anyone have a blueprint for HC valley batteries for an fully developed NA/EU sub-pac? I keep having drop my energy down to 200 and don´t really kow how to raise it without the power plant and batteries

[storm garnet]

nothing to do with pipes

[vast iron]

i mean are all your hydro pump pipes optimized?

[storm garnet]

yessss, high purity wise

[lean frost]

Oh damn, I didn’t realize there was a combined limit. Just protocol capacity + aic limit

[storm garnet]

well, i could use more pipes instead of conduits

but i didn't use too many

[subtle finch]

[storm garnet]

i prefer pipes

[young igloo]

man not the hybrid

too risky

[lean frost]

But yeah, either way, reworking pipes would free up facilities anyway

[vast iron]

i mean like splitter placements

Splitter immediately on the output of the pump

[young igloo]

still neat

fire

[storm garnet]

it's getting here still possible and somewhat easy?

[vast iron]

i think they fixed the swap plunge fly abuse

[storm garnet]

that too, but that's still pipe limit, not building limit

[tiny topaz]

okay maybe now?

[vast iron]

pipes count for facilities, no?

[storm garnet]

pretty sure this place is parkour only

[lean frost]

Pipes are facilities

[storm garnet]

no

pipes have their own limit

pipe splitters too

[young igloo]

atp just try a blueprint

[lean frost]

Don’t pipes also contribute to facility limits though?

[storm garnet]

they contribute to the 1152 limit

another total limit

[young igloo]

yeah suck

i tried do art using pipes and it got capped rq

[vast iron]

i mean can you move some of your production in wuling aic to subpac?

if there is space

[storm garnet]

well, tbh i only tested the 1152 with belts, but pretty sure pipes go to the 1152 too

[vast iron]

or maybe drag pipe from jingu to wuling

[storm garnet]

i did that too

[vast iron]

like put pumps in jingu valley

to connect to wuling drills

[storm garnet]

that helps more with protocol capacity than the 512 limit tbh

[vast iron]

Isnt that the same thing..?

u lost me lol

[keen river]

isnt this place just parkour and some facility as steps

[storm garnet]

kinda. what i mean is that it's not that important atm. my problem was that i couldn't fix the 512 while in an inaccessible place

since i deleted the shared zipline

[cunning obsidian]

@storm garnetare you na/eu?

[keen river]

you always want to place powerpole first tbh

[storm garnet]

nvm, i tried to do the parkour and it still works

[storm garnet]

i am, but i got it just now, thanks

i have to do the parkour again in a moment though, so i was checking if it was possible before fixing things

wdym not high enough bitch

[tawny bear]

move it like 3 tiles left and a tile forward and it should be placable :v

[keen river]

there are some invisible walls in air i guess

[vast iron]

My discord bugging gah

[storm garnet]

pretty sure for that specific place it thinks it's placing the zipline on the cave below

[keen river]

possible

[storm garnet]

what a pretty farm, it woudl be bad if someone came while starved for building capacity

[tender thistle]

Dumb question here...

Can the reactor crucible only alternate between 2 different liquid outputs (like yazhen liquid and xiranite liquid) or can we input 2 belts of 30/min yazhen and 2 pipes of 30water/min and output 2 pipes with 30 yazhen liquid each?

[vast iron]

[keen river]

tfw i only have like 4 out of bounds ziplines and people here need to discard stuff because they have too many

[vast iron]

Cant do same recipe 2x

But 2 different recipes with a common ingredient works

As long as it fits

[fathom glade]

good that i feel validated, but bad that this bug is actually a thing. Have reported the bug. It's 3am on my end so im going back to sleep

[tender thistle]

Ah okay thanks

I'm tryna cut down equipment without making making major changes to my factory but faaaark I did not plan ahead and got no place x_x

Oh well looks like I'm gonna spend another 8hrs this weekend redoing my factory from scratch 🫃

[storm garnet]

ideal is to make xiranite+food, since you need 4 xiranite reactors anyways, so you use the other unused "half" to make liquid food

ideal while online (tm)

[keen river]

fun fact, from this spot you can see all factory zones in valley

[storm garnet]

tru, 3/4*

[keen river]

nah, all 4 are visible

although the originium science park is pretty fogged

[vast iron]

3/4

Theoretically science park should be behind no?

[keen river]

well, its to the left

[pulsar steeple]

So... i've heard the zipline sale are booming

[vast iron]

Only 6k? Weak.

[keen river]

you need to zoom a bit and use the less fog filter

the view distance in this game is pretty impressive

also valley 4 map has very few view blockers, wuling has a lot of them tho

[vast iron]

Hilly region

[storm garnet]

man, if i could connect this zipline with the one on wolfgurd head's with only 1 in the middle, i could save 5 energy...

but not only is the ground locked by vision, but it makes the distance 130

why did i get this zipline shared...

wait, maybe if i got oob to the right...

[tiny topaz]

btw i just noticed you can use the reactors as glorified bridges lol

[storm garnet]

somehow worse

[storm garnet]

yep, both for liquids and solids

but they prioritize the output before using anything

[vast iron]

Im starting to wonder if i can use off state reactors as priority split

The overflow kind

Since they do have a 1 -> 2 output ratio potential

[keen river]

dunno how far this is tbh

but maybe you could place zipline here?

[storm garnet]

i would work if i could put the zipline in the air lol

[keen river]

on this rock

[storm garnet]

i tried, 120 distance from each one

that's too far

[keen river]

thats unfortunate

[storm garnet]

i wanted to delete the 2 ones that have a connection

[keen river]

yeah, seem too far i guess

[storm garnet]

i guess it will stay there just for scenery views, no routes

[keen river]

i guess the proper ground area in the middle is out of range / blocked?

[storm garnet]

the gray hazard ground in the map is blocked

it seems to even block ziplines

[keen river]

hm

[storm garnet]

i can go to the right of the hazard zone, but the distance to the zipline on top right is more than 130 meters from there

so i can't even make sure if it could go through

[keen river]

tbh that range looks like more than 220 meters in first place

[storm garnet]

yep, since it has to go way down from 2 really tall places

[keen river]

that is 110, so yeah

not feasible

[storm garnet]

i like this new route anyways, but no energy save sadly

time to turn off the west route

still 39/50 ziplines even with the turned off ones lol

[keen river]

checking that arena made me realize i put one of relays wrong

well, fixed now

i try to place all infrastructure so that it doesnt clip with ground or some big geometry

pretty annoying in wuling since you cant choose

[storm garnet]

i had 5 extra energy and i was going crazy, then remembered i had my zipline inside the aic still turned on

[solemn rock]

can anyone tell me why I can use one pipe split 4 ways to feed water to 4 facilities?

shouldn't each facility need 0.5 units per second?

[storm garnet]

1 facility usually uses 1 water every 2 seconds, or 0.5 per second

[solemn rock]

they end up all sleepy

[storm garnet]

pumps can make 1 water per second, pipes can have 2 per second

[solemn rock]

yeah and the supply is 2 units per second from 2 water pumps into the inlet thing

[keen river]

pipe can transfer 2 per second

[storm garnet]

you need 2 pumps per 1 pipe

[keen river]

so you can connect two pumps to same pipe and then split it into 4 on the other side

[solemn rock]

I did that

and yet for some reason it still got sleepy

the math isn't mathing for me

[storm garnet]

you sure it's sleepy cause of the water

[solemn rock]

yeah when I supplied two instead of 4 each it was fixed

[storm garnet]

also, maybe you are making 2 recipes in 1 reactor, that's 1 water per second

[solemn rock]

nope just one for each

[storm garnet]

idk, need pics

[solemn rock]

could it have something to do with pipe length?

[storm garnet]

nope, length just makes it take a while to start

it needs to fill the whole pipe to get to the next segment

[solemn rock]

I'll get a ss rn

[keen river]

it wont allow you to build too long pipe too

[solemn rock]

originally it would extend to the next two facilities

but production tanked so I tried supplying 2 instead and it worked

each is supplied by two pumps to the inlet

[keen river]

hmm, wasnt the inlet limited to 1.5 or something?

or was it fixed

[solemn rock]

production is tanking again for some reason

[keen river]

arent you underproducing the coal?

[storm garnet]

conduits are 2/s like pipes

[keen river]

click on the sleepy forge of the sky

how does it look inside?

[trail mirage]

fawk

[storm garnet]

what is that split going to the top

[solemn rock]

that wasn't originally there I added it after the change

just for one yahzen fluid

[keen river]

i think you have too few coal? there are gaps on the belts

[solemn rock]

but usable is less than production for the material so why?

[storm garnet]

tbh, the only thing i could tell you is advice you to actually not merge 2 pumps together so you never reach the 2/s limit of pipes and tempt any bugs for being at the limit

let it be 1 pump 1 conduit and test it

[keen river]

click on the buildins to bring their gui

and check what they are missing

for example this sand shredder looks weird

is it getting too few sandleafs?

[solemn rock]

It shouldn't since my sandleaf production is fine no?

[storm garnet]

theoretical seems bigger, so can't say for sure

[keen river]

well, your theoretical sandleaf usage is like 80 above your actual one

so cant say for sure

[solemn rock]

I have no idea what theoretical is

[keen river]

theoretical is just all factories summed up

if you have something idle it still counts there

but not to actual

[upbeat blade]

what seem to be the problem?

[solemn rock]

I just know that things slow down when they can't be supplied and I did all the math and production should be working

[solemn rock]

my aic statistics show that the supply of everthing is not red but my production is hindered

[shell bloom]

What's the problem?

[keen river]

generally those gaps that you have on the belts

seem weird

for example there is a gap here

[keen river]

same here

[storm garnet]

btw, for the pipe thing, check if all splitters and mergers are on the correct rotation position

[solemn rock]

I would get it if my sandleaf production was less than consumption but it doesn't say that I think

[keen river]

well, if you are underproducing sandleaf it would look like this

[shell bloom]

wuling battery production is the problem right?

11/min

[upbeat blade]

can you show us your sandleaf prod too?

[solemn rock]

and yahzen syringe is down one too

[solemn rock]

or do you mean the number of facilities?

[keen river]

280 doesnt divide by 30 so there is something fishy here for sure

[storm garnet]

you can't consume more than you make normally, you would need a surplus in depot for that

[keen river]

well honestly

just click on this shredder

[solemn rock]

yes that makes sense

[keen river]

and check how it looks like

is it sleeping because its full of powder or is it sleeping because its empty of sandleaf

you can also drop some sandleaf into it manually and see if it drains

[shell bloom]

1 missing sandleaf powder lol

[upbeat blade]

i meant the placement but other guy answered

[solemn rock]

it keeps going idle

[keen river]

yes i know

i mean

[solemn rock]

yeah I think I need to make another sandleaf farm

[tiny topaz]

you guys might hate me for the atrocity i just done

[keen river]

hang on, let me start the game

[storm garnet]

good news: my 2 xiranite lines in my sub pac are perfect. my 2 on the main pac could learn a thing from it...

[upbeat blade]

tell it to work harder

[shell bloom]

Can you enlarge your factory view in 2D mode and show?

[tiny topaz]

i really need to clean all this up

[shell bloom]

My factory is messier

[keen river]

for example., say you have this, some stuff is sleeping

[storm garnet]

meanwhile, my main aic... why not 50 on output...

[tiny topaz]

this is just like, i was trying to focus on getting things optimized

[shell bloom]

Ima show u mine

[keen river]

if you click on it, it clearly is missing the red chips

so you can debug from there

on the other hand, this one is clogged

it looks the same from map view

[solemn rock]

it only misses sandleaf for like half a second

I made another farm

now I wait and see

perhaps I forgot one

[keen river]

might be

[storm garnet]

make a pic of the sandleaf loop planters

[keen river]

im not sure how you are getting 280 sandleaf tbh

[solemn rock]

usage immediately went up

[keen river]

well, the farm uses some to sustain itself

[upbeat blade]

your sewage treatment plant might be overwhelmed

[keen river]

so it will always go up when you add

[upbeat blade]

that's why it's clogging, i think

[keen river]

nah, i just siphon some xiranite to make the armor parts, its by design

[storm garnet]

loop itself gets extra sandleaf usage to exist, so making another loop increases it

[solemn rock]

I am once again befuddled at how I miss such obvious things

[keen river]

not enough xiranite to make everything

its a mess but it does the job 😅

[storm garnet]

do a screenshot of the planters

[upbeat blade]

...why do you need 26k+ of 'em?

and i thought my 19k hoard is impressive enough

[storm garnet]

cause endgame is to fill the depot

[tawny bear]

artificing :v

[keen river]

pretty much to just fill the depo

[upbeat blade]

😭

[solemn rock]

they are all over the place but I have 7 in total for sandleaf

[keen river]

but you use a lot of them too, and i dont really want to manually enable/disable the parts maker each time i artifice something

[upbeat blade]

you can use green gear for artificing btw

[storm garnet]

the one feeding the shredder we were talking about is enough to check

[shell bloom]

Most elegant looking factory?

[keen river]

well, technically, you use both gears

[solemn rock]

Looks like it is fixed but it was like this many times when I checked before

[solemn rock]

not sleepy anymore

thanks friends

[keen river]

those non-set redeemer red gears have bigger stats so you get artificing bonus

[storm garnet]

using an extra sandleaf loop to fix it is not a fix

it's a bandaid

[solemn rock]

Why not?

[storm garnet]

just do the ss

[keen river]

i mean, if you were just missing the sandleaf

then it is a solution in a way

[solemn rock]

shredder is working great

[storm garnet]

of course, if you had infinite space and energy, you could just put 100000 machines making 0.1/min of each item

[solemn rock]

yield on sandleaf is now 10 more than usage

[keen river]

great success

[storm garnet]

is all your sandleaf going from loop to depot first before shredding?

[solemn rock]

looks like I blamed the pipes for nothing maybe

[solemn rock]

most of them yeah

[storm garnet]

most is not all then

[solemn rock]

yeah

[storm garnet]

sandleaf and sandleaf seed should match theoretical, if not, something is wrong

sandleaf would only go down if depot is full, or the ones not going to depot are full

[keen river]

i ended up with such setup for sandleaf

[solemn rock]

https://tenor.com/view/mhm-agreed-agree-chenqianyu-chen-gif-12230995990157223108

[tiny topaz]

i just discovered a funny idea for efficiency

[solemn rock]

mine is similar

[tiny topaz]

using the zigzag to refine stuff

[storm garnet]

@solemn rock does your sandleaf loop look like this?

[solemn rock]

yes

I learned from the one seeder and planter mistake in my valley 4 disaster

[storm garnet]

i guess the problem is the ones that don't go to depot then

btw, wuling plants are 1:1 seeder planter

[shell bloom]

Beautiful, isn't it?

[keen river]

🙇‍♂️

[solemn rock]

yeah and they make double carbon

[storm garnet]

then the depot sandleaf is fixed

[fervent lodge]

@frozen sail check pins here for the planner, the beta version supports 1.1. I tried the one on eft for wuling stuff and the water flow is broken (or idk what).

didn't link there because idk what his policy is with links

[solemn rock]

I have no idea why I needed 7 planters when I counted 6 shredders though

[storm garnet]

idk, i would need to see the whole factory

[frozen sail]

no way thank you bro didn't know there was an official one, gonna be so much easier

[keen river]

well, this thing is dropping some into the depot for example

maybe you are converting and storing excess shredded sandleaf?

[solemn rock]

Could it be the protocol transfer delay?

[fervent lodge]

it's not official
i made it
I just believe it's much better
i tried to use eft one and had an aneurism

[solemn rock]

I am but the number of shredders is the same

[storm garnet]

could be actually

[keen river]

might be

[thorn pike]

LUGOWO

.sahur2

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086699983769600/1478360593781096458/HCao2iibkAAGTBs.png?ex=69a81e18&is=69a6cc98&hm=8ed7f473711da39ea1a311179f23677b98cb3f2fb16e39b42a9da666070859b7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=558&height=558

[thorn pike]

.sahur

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086661220040774/1473785136901525525/received_2064093094380697.png?ex=699778de&is=6996275e&hm=59b1d6f4d1fbac5bf27450d31fe977ff6ecf9dfdd2605656824e78ae17ac0e55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=809&height=809

[storm garnet]

if you need exact speed, depot loader is prefered

you can also wait so the depot fills a bit, then start the shredding

[storm garnet]

so the protocol fluctiation doesn't affect it

[keen river]

you can also just manually drop a bunch of resources from valley 4 to start it up

[storm garnet]

fuck, i forgot to reconnect a pipe and half my cuprium was stopped for like an hour

[tiny topaz]

just remembered conuit stuff doesnt need to be in the AIC area

im such a clown man

🤡

[storm garnet]

it helps with reducing protocol capacity of the zone though

just 1 per conduit

[keen river]

here is my invention for wuling if someone wants to save some batteries btw

[tiny topaz]

wait really?

[storm garnet]

yep, protocol capacity doesn't go up inside the aic

[frozen sail]

ah lol i assumed so because of the clean looks, but yeah it is way better. if there was keybinds for conveyors and like a quick search menu to place facilities that would be even better, not sure how hard it would be to implement tho

[fervent lodge]

behold
my high-tech poop buffer with adaptive overflow

[storm garnet]

the 512 limit does though

[tiny topaz]

that doesnt even sound like a real issue

[solemn rock]

I just go to the dijang every few days and transfer 20k valley 4 batteries

[thorn pike]

womenji

[fervent lodge]

i'm gonna forward DM you the keybinds, haven't had the time to add the help panel

[keen river]

factories outside count to the right limit

[fervent lodge]

helped my factory not die because i miscounted the sewage ratios

holds up to 5k poop!

[storm garnet]

wtf only 156

i deleted my farm and i'm still at 318

[keen river]

i dont really have ziplines around wuling so yeah

[storm garnet]

even without ziplines, that's low

[keen river]

is it 🤔

[sacred tiger]

Why can’t I put the rig mine 2 in the curpuim?

Like does I need somthing better? And if yes where to get it

[keen river]

you need water miner to mine copium

[storm garnet]

i have 39 ziplines, that's 117 capacity

[keen river]

research ii in the tech tree

[sacred tiger]

Ohhhh

Tyyyyy

[storm garnet]

well, i guess 1 extra capacity per zipline for the pylons

but you need to put some anyways to transport energy

[keen river]

you are probably using the water miners to mine stuff in wuling arent you

i guess this uses up your capacity

[storm garnet]

yes

it's not that much though

do you have turrets?

i have 15, so it's 30 capacity

[keen river]

i dont, nothing worth turreting

[storm garnet]

alluvium is, makes it faster

[upbeat blade]

me doubling my facilities capacity (it's alright, i reduced like 10 power consumption)

[storm garnet]

but well, there it is

[storm garnet]

give me those 10, i need them

[keen river]

the alluvium dies pretty fast anyway tbh

[upbeat blade]

real

[storm garnet]

why take 30 seconds instead of 20

[keen river]

i mean, you do it like three times a day max too 🦥

might as well enjoy itt

[storm garnet]

well, if you enjoy it

[keen river]

well, there is so little to do at the end game that might as well 🦥

[tiny topaz]

Wait how do i do this....

working on the other factory shit

think i need to double the reactors

but also like

idk

yeah.... im seeing the issue here now that i look at it

[storm garnet]

use batteries on the turrets, don't connect them to the energy grid

[keen river]

yeah, i may try some time

[tiny topaz]

??? How

[tiny topaz]

Wait so like, do i need 1.5 water just to do this efficiently? Also i noticed im doing the wrong recipe....

[valid fox]

Just stick the batteries into the turret by walking up to it and entering the facility interface

[jovial breach]

1 water

[storm garnet]

you can put batteries on turrets when they are not connected to pylons

they last forever btw, it's a 1 and done thing

put 50 though

sc wuling batteries might last years

[tiny topaz]

For 2 reaction crucibles? Since the shreader makes 2 shreaded

[storm garnet]

pic has 1 reactor

0.5 per plant loop, 0.5 per crucible recipe

[frail cedar]

Hi does any body know whoever exactly the nearest mineral bed of amythst is in willing?

[serene geyser]

there is no amethyst in wuling..

480 originium 90 ferrium 120 copium

[storm garnet]

today's work

[nova lodge]

plox gib us filter for wulling delivery jobs posted by other player

[storm garnet]

almost 10k from stopping the factory to fix it

actually, more cause i filled a lot of tanks

[frail cedar]

So I have to transfer some over then

Alright thank you

[serene geyser]

why do you need amethyst even

[fleet rover]

One fluid pump can support 1 or more inlets?

[serene geyser]

pipe/conduit could handle up to 2 pump's worth of water

[frail cedar]

Amythist parts to make batteries for more power

[serene geyser]

just progress thru story and start producing one of those

[trail mirage]

Just bring batteries from v4

[shadow hound]

Store liquids in amethyst bottles

[iron stratus]

you should get around 800 cryston components while in v4 and then once you're in wuling focus on that aic until it's done

then you can go back to v4 to get 3 hc and 3 buck A lines

[atomic prairie]

Are two SC Wuling battery lines, one yazhen syringe A line, and a very inefficient yazhen syringe C line the maximum production in Wuling at the moment?

[serene geyser]

you could sac a bit of copium+xiranite to make copium comp but aside from that kinda yeah

[atomic prairie]

Way ahead of you. I stockpiled 35k of them before I got my second battery line online.

[shadow hound]

Can you store liquids in steel, amethyst, and crystal bottles too?

Could I stock on even more liquids?

Hmmmm

[atomic prairie]

You need specific bottles for crafting recipies, but you can use any bottles for general storage.

[shadow hound]

Some basic aic items have no uses yet, same with those bottles

Maybe when we get Valley 4 + 1...

[outer basin]

Valley 6 7

[shadow hound]

[lime stag]

Is it me or even after the newest update wuling bucks are extremely gated? Pretty sure I fully optimized my factory and I even have Tangtang

[somber snow]

as in, the outpost still gets emptied,
or u cant keep up

or r u talking about not having enough stocks to buy the artifices

[lime stag]

Outpost nowhere near close to being emptied

[neon ibex]

can someone help me with this part i don’t get it?

[young igloo]

use the belt

from the unit

man things gonna be alot easier with mouse and keyboard

[tender thistle]

Reteofitted crucibles for yazhen and xiranite

Witness my shitshow!

[young igloo]

yeah my eyes hurt now thank you

[tender thistle]

Misery loves company

[somber snow]

Then u didnt optimise enough

Cuz i emptied mine in 1.0,
And its still being emptied now

[lime stag]

Well crap

Ty

[pulsar cypress]

Just take ur time..

[lime stag]

Not sure how I'm screwing up if you optimize a 1.0 you need a xiranite for everything

[pulsar cypress]

What's your aic report production outcome?

[lime stag]

probably screwed up on the math somewhere

I really wish we had better conveyors 🙂

[pulsar cypress]

The max is about :
12 new battery
6 yahzen A
2.75 meds type C

Also, there's extra forge can be unlocked.
From just 2 to 4 forges, double the xyranite outcome..

[lime stag]

Let me take a look space would be an issue at least with my current designs but I think I can make it a little bit better I overdid the cuprium processing so I'd have room for expansion for the next maps

Only producing six batteries and no type a meds forgot to do the math on how much ferrium I needed

[pulsar cypress]

Ah yass.. Thats why still not clear the bills..
Barely enough to empty is when you can sell about 10 new battery and 6 yahzen A iirc..

Just build more bit by bit..
Good luck.. °-°)b

[pulsar cypress]

1 new battery plant (6/mins) use 30 yield ferrium.
1 yahzen A plant (6/mins) use all the copium..

[lime stag]

It's fun I think I spent like 4 hours on the factory when 1.1 came out and was tired during the last part finding my screw UPS

[winged oriole]

We're truly in the copium shortage economy

[pulsar cypress]

Dev be like : too much copium bad for your mental health..

[somber snow]

even though we only have enough cuprium for 1 line of meds,
i dont think we're at a shortage

i already capped my stock of cuprium

[iron stratus]

we already have syringe A so what will the 70/u med be

[solid python]

I've been transfering SC Wuling batteries back to the valley to make space.

[winged oriole]

We've got several Wuling updates ahead of us so maybe we'll get a new series of consumable at some point

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

to make space?

how crowded is your AIC bro

[peak sinew]

is there even a logical way to zip this map

[young igloo]

theres no actual reason to zip this map tbh

[peak sinew]

well normally i zip between the loot

[young igloo]

every zipline is a power cost

[peak sinew]

those two are way too far

[young igloo]

[peak sinew]

i have like 1k spare

[young igloo]

im just messing around

you could do this one

and this

[fluid furnace]

Quick PAC flex: Top Left is 4x Xiranite Top right is 2x Xircon Bottom Left is battery and Bottom right is ferrium/cuprium meds (jincao and yazhen swappable)

[young igloo]

swapable

til you realize jincao drink cant be sold

[true nebula]

can someone check if this is sane/correct ? assuming you have 2000 power of drills/zipline/turrets

[fluid furnace]

prepping early for next outpost

[young igloo]

wow wow wow

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[young igloo]

i aint reading allat

[wispy grove]

too small to read

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[true nebula]

you should be able to zoom in on the chart

[young igloo]

a spaghetti aic is easier to read yk

[solid python]

It only goes up to 58k

[wispy grove]

lemme read this

discord cant zoom it enough to read

unless i really need glasses

[young igloo]

tldr

[wispy grove]

am i getting blind?

[true nebula]

gg i png bombed myself, laptop is dying

[young igloo]

its 9 sc 6 med a 1.5 med c

[wispy grove]

i just saved it istead, it has bigger zoom lmao

[solid python]

That can't be right since you're consuming the SC Wuling batteries instead of selling them.

[true nebula]

if i had laptop perms id post the svg

[young igloo]

wait can 7.5 sc and 6 med A enough to sell?

[true nebula]

oh the production includes what you use, sell is leftovers.

[ruby sorrel]

why only 90 xiranite

[solid python]

You shouldn't consume any of it though

[young igloo]

reason?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[solid python]

Probably the other is dedicated to components

[ruby sorrel]

well it's not on the chart

[true nebula]

there might be 8 shredders doing nothing but we dont talk about that

i can make it not waste facilities

wait can you get 4 forges? i thought max is 3

[ruby sorrel]

back to the drawing board

[wispy grove]

my brotha

[true nebula]

oh no i cant read

[wispy grove]

[true nebula]

i thought something was wrong ....

[calm crow]

This whole pipe is not going anywhere lol

[wispy grove]

im pretty sure you saw people making 2 SC battery setups

[true nebula]

i thought they were future proofing

[solid python]

I'm running 11.5 SC batteries and 0.5 components

(I already geared my characters, so not much use in producing max)

[wispy grove]

Yeah scrap that again

[young igloo]

man get your ass on the aic

thats easier

[young igloo]

no inlet ?

[wispy grove]

Ngl i thought you're making a corporate presentation with that picture

[young igloo]

not my company lol

my senior will kill me

[true nebula]

ok i fixed it

wait no i didnt

[young igloo]

man what in the claude even is this website

[true nebula]

wrong assumption

that one has base load of 1000 power lol

[true nebula]

its a scuffed plan solver, theres valley and wuling on the graph to also support cross-regional transfers but ihavent gotten to that yet XD

[young igloo]

what with that selling plan anyway

[true nebula]

for 2000power

[shadow hound]

Think it's worth it to stock up on certain liquids?

[young igloo]

yes

[true nebula]

probably bottled liquid xiranite for world exploration?

[ruby sorrel]

idk..... just do some simple spreadsheeting instead

[shadow hound]

Sewage/Inert Xircon Effluent?

[young igloo]

stock sewage into a bunch of tank and demolish

no power harmed in the process

[true nebula]

it only fits 500 tho D:

[young igloo]

i said bunch of them

[true nebula]

use an entire base for sewage storage? 💀

[ruby sorrel]

there's no room for a bunch of them

[young igloo]

fill tang tang place with sewage

[shadow hound]

Also I'm at work so I can't test but can you store Xircon Effluent in the overworld?

[young igloo]

[young igloo]

nah

[true nebula]

no

[shadow hound]

So continue filling the world with Liquid Xiranite

Got it

[wispy grove]

Youre too fast brotha i think you need sleep

[young igloo]

fym you wanna dump corporate waste into ppl living enviroment

you monster

[leaden drift]

Next battery 5k

[shadow hound]

I turned that guys underground ancestral home into my Liquid Xiranite depot

[true nebula]

but then i wont know if i minmaxed, with solver, i know that it is minmaxed
(also using resources for power or using resources for selling is kinda complicated if you try to get maximum selling rating)

[shadow hound]

Thanks for the 40k units sir

[young igloo]

try jincao solution

maybe we can sell jincao drink next patch

[shadow hound]

Why is that

Oh

[wispy grove]

Remove jincao drink, use yazhen shredder and connect each crucible to make both yazhen A and C

[true nebula]

oh i have the solver, with this to change XD

[young igloo]

try 16 forge

[ruby sorrel]

...just set up some equations calculate the sell value per ore/xiranite

[shadow hound]

I feel like I should keep Inert Xircon just in case

[ruby sorrel]

maximize those

[wispy grove]

Less planter for your factory

[young igloo]

maybe

i meant

even sewage has a use

wait can they be filled with a bottle?

[peak sinew]

9 zips

[young igloo]

havent tried yet

[leaden drift]

Ye

[young igloo]

45 power wasted

[shadow hound]

Just let me fill Tianshi Zhuang's office with sewage please

[leaden drift]

And sold via depot

[ruby sorrel]

in any case it's trivial to see that SC batteries is max profit/xiranite, and yazhen A is max profit per cuprium

[young igloo]

[young igloo]

can you drain it?

[peak sinew]

[true nebula]

funnily enough (assuming my LP model is correct), you shouldnt go above 4 crucibles, i guess xiranite itself is too expensive power-wise

wait

im not reading things correctly

💀

wait no

[young igloo]

reactor crucibles?

[true nebula]

oh

6 is the limit

[shadow hound]

You should have six crucibles

[true nebula]

5.33/6 used

[young igloo]

wait 6?

what 6

[ruby sorrel]

what are you even doing

[young igloo]

its just facking plant and water

[true nebula]

6 forge of the sky

[young igloo]

basically free without the forge limitin

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but you're selling raw xiranite for no reason

[true nebula]

plants are rather power hungry tho

also water is kinda power hungry too

[young igloo]

10 power to make a pump into use

[true nebula]

for just a line of xiranite (30/min) , it is 670 power

[young igloo]

yeah i agree with the planting power consumtion but water is cheap

at least in wuling

[true nebula]

oh yeah water is cheap

[ruby sorrel]

it scales better in groups of 3 cus of sandleaf

[young igloo]

we should have petrol in some nation

[true nebula]

the planting and then all the processing is very expensive

[young igloo]

then with the story progression

[shadow hound]

Two Xircon Effluent and One Ferrium Powder make one Xircon every two seconds

So you need to be having an input of two Xircon Effluent per second into one reactor.

That's why you need 6

[young igloo]

it cost more to buy petrol

[true nebula]

if you have 3, then it is 825power; 275 power per line of xiranite

[young igloo]

we are gonna be rich

[wispy grove]

ey calm down, soon well be buying water somewhere in desert regions(if there is one)

[young igloo]

or gas

[true nebula]

wait this isnt right...

[ruby sorrel]

your calc is sus

[young igloo]

nothing is right with the planning lol

just

[ruby sorrel]

spreadsheet time

[young igloo]

start crafting an aic

csm suck btw

[peak sinew]

8 now
-1 pole -1 zip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220810810658525301/1463777942827171892/xormo.gif

min maxing

teleport reach

[young igloo]

ts is basically walking lol

[ruby sorrel]

it's k you're on the zip already at that point

[peak sinew]

that like 3 bridges to go there

[young igloo]

ok old man

im understand that after 10year in coma you dont want to walk

[peak sinew]

that literally the point of zip

[young igloo]

ur right

maybe im too harsh with my aic

[true nebula]

OHhhhhhhhhh, i forgot to uncap the depot constraint

[tiny topaz]

hey so like

[true nebula]

:^)

[tiny topaz]

is cryston just worthless???

[young igloo]

what?

component?

yes

[tiny topaz]

what am i supposed to do with my amethyst?