aic-factory

[dark furnace]

I only notice this when online

yea, first you need friends

[jovial breach]

10 flame + 16 sentry

[dark furnace]

but even 6 flame throwers is faster than 6 surge

I changed all to flame throwers already

[shell hinge]

Damn, looks like even shared facilities can't save the armor fragger

It's so cool but so terrible at energy alluvium

[valid fox]

What is even good there, or fool-proof?

[dark furnace]

good?

the flame thrower just melt the enemies with higher dps

[shell hinge]

Idk why people are using flamethrower

It barely helps

And/or is worse depending on your setup

[dark furnace]

for me it's way better than surge

but depends on which alluvium you are farming I guess

[shell hinge]

Any of them

[storm garnet]

i put flamethrowers on both wuling alluviums, but i haven't tried them after yet

[dark furnace]

I farm power plateau and they are way better

[jovial breach]

it helps with finishing the mobs while sentry are reloading

[shell hinge]

The hardest enemies in every alluviums are the minibosses

The trash mobs are easily handled by he grenades or any aoe turret, they just don't move much and lack hp

[dark furnace]

have you seen the flamethrowers just melt the minibosses if you trap it inside

[shell hinge]

Except you can't trap them, they phase through structures

[marble yarrow]

they just hatin

[shell hinge]

See video above

[marble yarrow]

[dark furnace]

I use tang tang

ult and good bye

[shell hinge]

This is for afk setups, which is what the video was for

[dark furnace]

I even have max ult regen build on her when I farm alluvium

[jovial breach]

like ideally you put 12 flame, 3 on each side, and the rest sentry but i just go with whatever qyurii gave me

[shell hinge]

You can see how despite the many flame turrets, the miniboss was primarily killed by surge turrets

[dark furnace]

nah I don't trust afk build, when enemies could just get out of the flamethrower range and halt your afk

especially that landbreaker lady

[storm garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R30gAYGZTJg

[shell hinge]

Wym? Afk setups work fine if you build them properly

You just need to block in your character, who can collide with structures

[storm garnet]

that video guy only tested it on that alluvium, but it looks fine

[shell hinge]

That video is definitely one of kyo's weakest, it's not very afk

[wispy grove]

Try this next. Try it with 0 sewage and liquid xiranite in crucibles

[storm garnet]

you can technically go afk

[shell hinge]

It has no healing

[storm garnet]

meh

[solid python]

afk farming the wrong one

[storm garnet]

healing tower is not that good anyways

it's only decent for when you are done

[shell hinge]

No, but it is required to make a setup truly afk

[storm garnet]

it takes forever to recharge

[shell hinge]

Yes, so you do need to combine it with a properly built character or wait for it to recharge

[storm garnet]

also, you need to connect it to the aic energy so it doesn't use up batteries too much

[shell hinge]

Yes, I assume any proper afk setup does

[jovial breach]

healing tower is garbage

ngl

[storm garnet]

i used to use healing tower before i switched my turrets to batteries

it saved me some food

[jovial breach]

it would be fine if it didnt take up turret limit

[fluid fog]

Symmetrical

[storm garnet]

b-b-b-but it's disconnected!

[fluid fog]

yeah I forgor

[storm garnet]

the belts i meant, but power too lol

[shell hinge]

It's what you need to achieve full afk, so that's what it is

[fluid fog]

not the power but its just clogged

oh w8 you mean the power energy KEKW

[storm garnet]

you can take the sandleaf powder in the middle into the depot and it's still symmetrical

[jovial breach]

add this and perfect

[storm garnet]

^

[jovial breach]

[fluid fog]

KEKW. Fine, but I really dont like putting power into depot.

[storm garnet]

sandleaf powder is the best thing to fill deliveries

cause there is always excess

[fluid fog]

I also fix relay

[thorn pike]

looks like ass

(symmetrical)

[latent gull]

Guys

I can only produce
SC and LC battery rn

And yazhen syringe A

[marble yarrow]

is this afk enough

[latent gull]

1/2 the efficiency

[jovial breach]

that's a lot of grenade turrets

i would use more flame

[nova lodge]

ok....adjusted my crucible setup a bit....no more lack of sewage issue.
instead....my xiranite got taxed instead and is slowly decreasing

[storm garnet]

all wuling roads lead to xiranite, and xiranite leads to sandleaf

[nova lodge]

effluent usage will always be capped at 112.
since some of the xiranite is being transfered away for making cuprium / xiranite components.

[storm garnet]

maybe you will have more sewage than needed now

[nova lodge]

i don't think i need to fix the crucible sewage in the 1st place
same freaking thing

not really, all crucibles are completely maxed out.
the only thing that can affect it at this point is pump more xiranite
or
crucible produce faster.
that's about it.

[vestal sparrow]

do you still need power to power the fluid pumps for cuprum mining?

[nova lodge]

yes
but you don't need to provide power for conduits

[storm garnet]

if crucibles are maxed on sewage, a lack of xiranite will clog sewage

which clogs cuprium too

[tulip yew]

How do i complete this mission of connecting the pipes ?

[storm garnet]

that's why i used an extra treatment unit myself, though i turned it off after the fixes to test it

[hidden temple]

they're not connected
make sure the pipes go into the facility

they aren't powered as well
the fluid pump I mean

[nova lodge]

haaah, this is far too annoying to deal with, i should change back later.

[storm garnet]

there was a thing with this, a bug with continuity for doing everything before the quest tells you

i can't remember the fix, but try redoing everything

[hidden temple]

their pipes aren't connected

[storm garnet]

that too

[nova lodge]

the power of wifi is astounding ;3

[tulip yew]

How is it not connecting to power when there's xiranite pylon right next it ??I'm confuse

[storm garnet]

connect the pipes

[hidden temple]

you're using an electric pylon for the fluid pump not a xira pylon

so either wire it up or swap it to xira

[storm garnet]

well, that is whatever if he wires it

but yea, use xira

[jovial breach]

He did wire it

[tulip yew]

The pipe I tried to connect from the head, but when I drag the pipeline to the direction of pump, it connect from the side

[marble yarrow]

you pipe starting with the source, to the destination

[storm garnet]

you need to move the camera and mouse until the facility glows white

well, camera only i guess since mobile

you can move the character to make it easier, be sure you are not too far

[shell hinge]

Those are packaging units no? Interesting that it blocked that enemy, have you tested against other minibosses? Still need medical turrets but a useful discovery

[storm garnet]

even jumping can help, but you have to nail the timming, so it's not worth it usually

[tulip yew]

Am I supposed to start the pipeline from the pump or the sky forge ?

[storm garnet]

pump

[marble yarrow]

packaging and same sizes work. i first saw someone using planters but its so thick that it cannot be useful for flamethrower.

yeah i tried smaller buildings (3x3 like refining and proto stash) but they dont block them

[storm garnet]

look, i did this quick video for piping the pump

[tulip yew]

But the things is pump is outside the area of core AIC , and so the pipe icon didn't appear , after i enter within the AIC area it appear , so i could only start from the sky forge

[marble yarrow]

no one escapes this area (even the jumping ones)

[storm garnet]

you need to change to aic mode

[nova lodge]

hmm....won't using planter be better? since they are bigger and taller.

[shell hinge]

Have you tested against other minibosses?

[storm garnet]

or use top view

[marble yarrow]

i tried against the other alluvium with the jelly fish, they cant escape either

and the hub alluvium with the big one, but the spawn area is large for the smaller ones so they spawn outside this tight trap

[shell hinge]

So only some tested so far

[shell hinge]

Also I don't know if you can use those to block everywhere

Iirc power plateau might not have the space

[coral orchid]

9/Mins so good

[shell hinge]

Using it in valley iv is probably slower due to the need for 1-2 medical turrets combined with lower turret limit

[jovial breach]

How did you get 9/min, running 2 packaging at 50% eff?

[marble yarrow]

i didnt setup there, im lazy for spots far from TP

[shell hinge]

That would be 6/min. 1.5 units would get you 9

[storm garnet]

it's easy to do, each needs 10 of each item as input, so you put only 5

[shell hinge]

Diff spots are needed for diff weps, so you want setups on every alluvium

[storm garnet]

which is 1 belt of each item

[jovial breach]

I mean ye could run it at 50%

I have been wondering if you could achieve it with only 1 packaging

[storm garnet]

you can't, it would clog

unless you have a enormous clock

[jovial breach]

[marble yarrow]

well if thats the reason, then i dont have to build there right now

[shell hinge]

Power plateau is the exception, you want to farm there regardless of essences

It's the place to farm ginseng stews

[storm garnet]

cause of meat?

[shell hinge]

Yeah, you get 3-4 filets per run at power plateau

[nova lodge]

because of doggo meat :3

[storm garnet]

that's nice, i haven't done that one much

is it also the fastest?

[jovial breach]

Or just go around and get some

[tulip yew]

Thank alot buddy, after AIC mode and starting the pipe flow from the pump it finally work

[jovial breach]

Going around hunting them would be faster

[tulip yew]

Yes , I change to xiranite pylon

[storm garnet]

np. next time you can also use top view, those pumps can be seen from that mode

but you need to learn to do that normally anyways for other places

[thorn pike]

i'm ughhhh

ughhhhhhh

ughhhhhh

[tulip yew]

Yah, first time playing base building, it's too much info and work , easily confuse

[thorn pike]

i'm

stu

stuttering

[storm garnet]

don't worry, take your time and have fun

[thorn pike]

no, rush everything and ruin your life

[tulip yew]

I log in today after long time today for new update main story, but got stuck to this factory tutorial 🥲

[thorn pike]

200 battery/min or you're mid ass

[storm garnet]

you'll ruin your life anyways, it's a factory game

[thorn pike]

[tulip yew]

Speaking like true gacha player

[storm garnet]

and a gacha game on top

double ruin

[thorn pike]

"i must reach endgame 0,01s after release"

[tulip yew]

The AIC core power capacity which stays at /200 , could later on upgraded this capacity?

[thorn pike]

yes

theretically it can reach 100k

[storm garnet]

you need thermal banks to get more energy

you get them in v4

[thorn pike]

but most stops at 6k (valley) and 3.5k (wuling)

but if you are crazy you can definitely reach 100k

unless the game caps it, but we dont know

[storm garnet]

don't forget to unlock all of these on both v4 and wuling

[thorn pike]

make 500k energy factory

[jovial breach]

Why only 100k

[thorn pike]

endgame content

[storm garnet]

when the wuling leader gets released as a playable character, we need to make 1m energy to use her

100k xiranite used per attack

[thorn pike]

her giant mountains pack energy inside

no factory needed

[storm garnet]

but we need to recharge them

[shell hinge]

Zhuang Fangyi's secret is the vast amounts of xiranite she chugs to fuel her powers

[storm garnet]

guys i need some money my mom is kinda homeless

[nova lodge]

ask tangtang to help 'borrow' some ;3

[storm garnet]

she is even more homeless

[iron stratus]

what are the power saving things i can do besides switching all rigs to hydro, removing protocol stashes, and using xircon crucibles to make yazhen solution

[shell hinge]

Avoid making components

Also just not care about power, but that's a different thing

[serene geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

i know some way but it's more of a troll way

remember those ore places with only 2 rigs?

[iron stratus]

making components saves hella power because i get to cut out a whole sc battery and xircon line

[serene geyser]

underground pipe the leftover water to other rigs

[iron stratus]

yeah i was thinking of doing that but i know it would take hella time

having to drag conduits all the way across the map for the one mining node

[serene geyser]

btw what's your power consumption rn

[nova lodge]

or use teleport for the conduits :3
bypass some physical walls

[iron stratus]

3005 but i havent swapped out jingyu valley nodes for hydro yet

[storm garnet]

it's for a few, you save 50 energy total from optimized originium nodes compared to mk1 rigs

[shell hinge]

What's the goal of you saving power anyway? You are losing stock bills if you cut out an sc battery line

[storm garnet]

that's if you think of all nodes as high purity though

[nova lodge]

its a fun project, less irksome than dealing with crucible tax :v

[iron stratus]

im not cutting out an sc line but im just trying to get good at optimizing

i dont want to have to spend days figuring out hc battery line optimizations

[shell hinge]

Saving power is an odd area in that it has exactly zero actual benefits, so optimizing it is just for the sake of it

[iron stratus]

if you use pwm for your thermal banks then it can save a few dozen batteries per day

[shell hinge]

Well, I guess saving power if you are above 6k power or so can yield actual benefits

But I'd guess most people not spending power for the hell of it are below that

[iron stratus]

i dont even know how i'd get above 6k

[shell hinge]

The problem is that the batteries you save are useless. It doesn't take that many to max out the outpost and beyond that, there is no use for batteries rn

[nova lodge]

i just pray that there is no water tax applied for mining offline =.=

[iron stratus]

it's 8.3 batteries/min to keep up with outpost so for stock bills it doesnt matter but it can help when stocking up on sc batteries for 1.2

[valid fox]

Well there is a use, you can shut down your batteries slightly earlier in favor of getting components slightly faster.
You can also keep the extra batteries and then go all in for components some other patch, while these extra batteries serve as sale fodder until you set up the higher tier production.

[unkempt estuary]

Is it even possible to get Wuling power usage over 5k?

[storm garnet]

so far, water seems to clog offline, even if full high purity

[shell hinge]

You can max out outpost and artificing with enough batteries for around 5k power iirc

[nova lodge]

does it impact overall mineral production though?

[storm garnet]

but if you just set it up and everything is empty, the rigs could stop sometimes at first

[storm garnet]

water wise, no

[frozen summit]

How much xiranite yield do I need to basically carry through every production line theoretically

[shell hinge]

Saving batteries for 1.2 is weird because that's not really a thing? If we get an outpost upgrade then you'd want prosperity, except that you cannot spend more batteries to get prosperity. It's still limited by outpost bill generation.

[nova lodge]

then all good, as long as the mineral production is smooth, that's the best ;3

[iron stratus]

240 theretically but we only have 120

[storm garnet]

nah.180 is enough for 2 sc machines and 1 comp machine running at full

[shell hinge]

Huh

Running the math for max power use while maxing outpost+artificing gives 7400 power

[valid fox]

Why is it weird? You can forego new battery production for a bit with a stock of lower tier batteries while you speedrun producing the next component tier, for example.

[shell hinge]

Waaaay more than any reasonable use

[iron stratus]

it takes barely under 3 days for the outpost to fill up and you need 48.15k batteries to drain that so on top of keeping up with the outpost until 4.3 days before the update you need to get power down to like 0.8/min excluding yazhen syringes which should shave off like 3 total batteries

[storm garnet]

the ideal thing to do from 1.0 to 1.1 was stocking lc batteries and having outpost tickets as high as possible, to get lvl 3 instantly

i failed in the second part lel

i forgot teehee

[iron stratus]

you need enough batteries before 3 days pre update to drain the outpost, then be able to have the 48k by update day

[shell hinge]

That doesn't really make sense to do. If you want to rapidly build a stockpile of new components for artificing, then you remain limited by artificing catalysts since you can only meaningfully stockpile components as high as you have catalysts. As a result, you are better off stockpiling the xiranite you would otherwise turn into 0.4/min components and spend that on new components.

[valid fox]

You can just save catalysts for a week or two from last patch?

[shell hinge]

Errr, what? If you make enough products to keep up with outpost bill generation it doesn't matter if you are selling them or not, you have enough to keep up

[valid fox]

Also you wanna have some new gear with some artificing day 1, you absolutely will be time gated at first by components.

[shell hinge]

Yes, so during that period when you are saving catalysts, also save xiranite. You get 0.4/min components worth of catalysts. Instead of actually crafting those while saving catalysts, store the xiranite instead so you can spend it on new components

[iron stratus]

but in order to be able to do a full drain at 1.2 you need something like 12k-20k excess batteries

[storm garnet]

so, saving something makes sense for everyone, now the debate is what to save

[iron stratus]

right now my outpost is still about 1mil away from being empty which i probably wont hit by update day which is why i need more batteries

[shell hinge]

I'm saying that saving batteries doesn't make sense because you can save xiranite instead with zero loss or change to production ratios

If you are saving catalysts, any components you make are useless anyway

[valid fox]

But the new components won't just use xiranite, they'll also use materials that would have produced something that's sold in the outposts, in that case, having a stock of batteries from last patch is useful in order to keep the outpost from filling up. Especially if you're starting the patch with full outpost bills in order to get early prosperity.

[storm garnet]

why do anything else when you can just fill the 40k courtyard with liquid xiranite

imagine if hc batteries don't use liquid xiranite but normal one

i'll kill someone

[shell hinge]

That is quite speculative. 1.1's new resource is a minor contributor to stock bill income, so if that pattern continues you will be able to expend the new resource without impacting stock bills more than new batteries can cover. The only resource we know is used for components and significantly production limited is xiranite

[jovial breach]

How much does each item of sc battery yazhen A and C sell for again

[iron stratus]

Sc for 54, yazhen A for 22, C for 16

[solid python]

I'm already approaching battery cap, so I'll need to transfer to Valley IV soon

[nova lodge]

SUBARASHI

[shell hinge]

How many you need is irrelevant so long as it is below the depot's capacity. So long as you produce enough to keep up with generation, it doesn't matter how many it takes. If you need to build up 1m stock bills at 36k/hr but also produce 36k/hr worth of products, then you will have 1m worth of products at the same time as the outpost has 1m bills

[valid fox]

Well, whether the xiranite is stored in the depot or stored inside the batteries which you stocked up and that you proceed to sell in the new outpost, it doesn't really matter ultimately, you're storing resources in order to be able to acquire components faster, since at the very start the time gate will be components. It's a niche use for the impatient people but it's there as an option.

[shell hinge]

The difference is that storing xiranite from components is free in the sense that you are unable to use those components

The margins are also pretty significant rn, so you could actually be storing twice your artificing limit while maintaining max outpost production

[valid fox]

But the same can be said for the batteries. The argument was the batteries that are saved are useless. It's not entirely true.

[shell hinge]

In your scenario using the saved batteries renders some of your components useless

The core status remains that your savings has not produced anything useful

If you want to fill up your depot for the hell of it, just do so, that's not wrong

[valid fox]

How has it not produced anything useful if the player is able to get more of the new components and thus more artificing done in the same time period?

[shell hinge]

But according to the game systems, there is no benefit

[storm garnet]

saving battery usage means reaching cap faster, which means saving other items down the line, like xiranite

it's a thing to do for people that want to cap the depot

[shell hinge]

In your scenario, you have done so at the cost of making some old components that are useless because you lack the catalysts to use them. You've simply changed the useless item from batteries to components

[storm garnet]

though you need a back up of treatment units for when batteries get capped, so sewage doesnt clog

[valid fox]

The difference is, useless batteries give no value. Useless components transfer their value to the new components, new equipment, new value.

[shell hinge]

This is the real goal for many. It's not useful to fill up the depot, but it can be fun

[nova lodge]

.stonks

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929296146497639/G6Ih57bacAITmvm.png?ex=691ff17b&is=691e9ffb&hm=91e95e84256e6e195565713e124e50b7d0551f1528c7ee8642b763175e1d9290&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=527&height=395

[nova lodge]

no. going up ish fun :3

[storm garnet]

number bigger, me happy

[nova lodge]

big number, me happy too :3

[shell hinge]

The value of components is limited by catalysts. Overproducing them generates no value because you cannot use them without catalysts

[dark furnace]

the only big number I don't want to see is energy use

[shell hinge]

At current limits, you can only utilize 0.4/min components

[jovial breach]

This is the minimum net yield of sc battery to keep up with outpost right?

[shell hinge]

That's with yazhen c? If so, you can only get 2.75/min yazhen c, not 3

[storm garnet]

if everything is capped on depot, i wouldn't mind a bigger energy number too

[dark furnace]

did you take into account some operators can make outpost yield more bill

[valid fox]

Ultimately everything in the factory is free since the ores are infinite, cost only power and produce an infinite feedback loop where we can produce more than we spend without any issues.
Proper redistribution of said resources gives us the option to get new components and gear slightly faster than usual. There's some inherent value in that, depends from person to person.

[shell hinge]

They did

[dark furnace]

like wulf and tangtang

but why do I feel like 8 SC is not enough, I have a net yield of 10 SC but I still need to use my yazhen

[jovial breach]

Well i have quite an amount of ferrium stockpile so it's 3/min for a while

[storm garnet]

that counts yazhen too

[dark furnace]

oh alright

[jovial breach]

Have you considered your sc consumption

[storm garnet]

well, i dont have the math in front of me

[shell hinge]

I'm referring to objective value, not subjective. Even in your scenario you have exactly the same value, not any higher.

[dark furnace]

need to correct that it's 9/m I forgot 2 SC is 3/m

[floral pollen]

right after a day, 1 to 1 sewage works even though i can clearly see the clog in game lmao, this game is so weird
@nova lodge @wispy grove @lapis crane

[dark furnace]

but yea they say it was after yazhen so no question anymore

[valid fox]

Well, I'm referencing the objective advantage of being able to get new gear faster, said gear having subjective value depending from player to player. To come back to the original argument, it was that the extra batteries are useless, and the counterpoint is, they are not useless to some.

[shell hinge]

If you want me to be more specific, it is more accurate to say that saving any resource while above outpost+aritificing limit is objectively useless. Batteries, components, anything beyond those limits has no use

[jovial breach]

So im making 12 sc, using 1.5, selling 7.86 for outpost, im left with 2.64/min excess, that's 26.6k sc stockpile in a week, good to know

[storm garnet]

i calculated 7.9407 sc/min to get even with outpost if using all yazhen

[jovial breach]

Well i assumed 3/min yaz c

[storm garnet]

almost the same as above, but weird it's not equal

[shell hinge]

That's the problem with any system that saves resources, we are hard limited on how many resources we can utilize

[jovial breach]

Not 2.75

[storm garnet]

i guess it's that

quite close anyways

so we have a bit above 2.5/min extra

[jovial breach]

And that is, without making any component

[storm garnet]

ye

components steal some parts, so that's less yazhen a already

[valid fox]

I just described the situation where they have a use though. Getting new gear faster. You can transfer part of the artificing limit to the new patch, which will temporarily switch the bottleneck from catalysts to components, moreso if a player saves more and more catalysts.

[storm garnet]

then less sc ofc

if i'm not wrong, 1/min component means 1 sc and 1 yazhen a /min less

[jovial breach]

I'll wait until i have at least 20k sc stockpile before starting to make component

[nova lodge]

basically you just directly channeled the sewage from refinery into crucible?
you generally won't see issues on9, only offline usually.
total item produced will be lesser than expected compared to when you are on9

[storm garnet]

up to 3/min you need 1 extra treatment unit for sewage since you are not using it for xircon

[shell hinge]

As I mentioned earlier, if you are transferring part of your artificing limit, you can also transfer the same amount of your components production in the form of stored xiranite.

[jovial breach]

Yeah lmao that's the funny thing, you have to use extra treatment unit when you reduce your production

[solid python]

The real waste is using SC batteries to provide power.

[jovial breach]

I don't have the luxury to do dijang hack

[storm garnet]

can't bother with manual transfers of hc valley

just get below 3.4k and use 1 bank

[shell hinge]

You can produce ~7400 power without cutting into outpost/artificing or transferring batteries from valley iv

It takes a lot to actually waste sc batteries on power

[storm garnet]

but with 1 bank number goes big faster

[jovial breach]

Yes we start prepping for 1.2 patch

[nova lodge]

you guys going too fast ;v

content gonna be hella dry.

[solid python]

Gives us time to play other gachas

[floral pollen]

ooh thats good to know, i do use conduits so i see a blip of clogged/idle every few seconds or so but this factory has not stopped yet offline lol

[nova lodge]

i felt that....not clogging sewage is the easy part....
optimizing for crucible tax is the painful part

[storm garnet]

that was fixed, supossedly

[nova lodge]

O.O?!?!?

was there a maintainence!?!?

[shell hinge]

What did optimizing for the reactor bug even entail? Isn't it exactly the same as optimizing for sub-maximum xircon production?

[storm garnet]

patch, server side i think

maybe there was some client side too, but it was too fast to catch it for me

[nova lodge]

i was kinda coerced into ramping up my xircon effluent usage
but it remained unchanged regardless since the xiranite input is reduced for component production

[nova lodge]

i probably should revert to me original build, less headache and cleaner ;v.

sewage consumption should not mysteriously dissapear when channeling to crucible 2 for effluent productions ;v

[shell hinge]

What did you end up using?

[storm garnet]

if these 2 are still empty after i come back from being offline tomorrow, i'll start trusting the devs

[shell hinge]

Priority flow should easily solve the issue as it can handle any level of sewage consumption

[valid fox]

58k xiranite can support 2 component producing lines for 8 hours. This is enough for 5760 components, which is 115 gears produced. This should be about 105-110 artifices depending on how much gears are changed for the specific player. This is a bit over 1 week of catalysts saved.
So, I'd say this is enough for some, and not enough for others. Being able to ignore production of things that require xiranite and sell previous tier batteries will be good if one wants to spend more than 110 catalysts as fast as possible.

[nova lodge]

duct tapped the build lmao, i should change it back later lol

[storm garnet]

i do this to get sewage into the reactors first

[shell hinge]

At that point, start manually transferring xiranite to valley iv

[valid fox]

That is significantly less time-efficient than just saving batteries and using them instead to alleviate the pressure to buy out outpost.

[nova lodge]

currently going around the map farming rare mats atm.

[shell hinge]

That gets you what, 3.45 weeks of artificing?

Most of a patch worth

For the very few people who would want to stockpile that much artificing, it'll take less time on dijiang than optimizing power.

[storm garnet]

this is the deal: why have an easy 9 when you can have 10 and torment your existence. what, you only use 8? who cares, make 10.

[valid fox]

It's just more convenient to focus produced xiranite on components alone and use extra batteries from previous patch to buy out outpost, than it is to spend time transferring xiranite back and forth and having to oversee your xiranite usage in order to not brick the factory due to xiranite running out.

[storm garnet]

wait, guys, i discovered a way to make 11!

[shell hinge]

Stockpiling xiranite also has the advantage that component production with stockpiled xiranite is not limited by forge of the sky production limits

Someone who really wanted the most components on release would be able to set up as many component lines as they have space for and convert that stockpile rapidly

[storm garnet]

so this is the way to make 12:
first step: sacrifice your first born

[valid fox]

Next patch component production will be potentially gated by the new material production, like current cuprium components are limited to 2 production lines because of cuprium.

You couldn't store cuprium since it didn't exist beforehand, so, you will be limited by it, instead of xiranite.

[nova lodge]

too many component types

[shell hinge]

Why would you need to manually adjust xiranite stockpiles? It's trivial to ensure that all xiranite in depot is excess and can thus be blindly transferred if you wish to stockpile it

Fundamentally, the game limits how quickly we can spend our resources while giving us more resources than we can spend

You can stockpile stuff for fun but it's not actually useful

[valid fox]

Current depot can store 8 hours worth of component production. Depot upgrade will store more, but again, why do all this xiranite business when you can just use stored batteries which have way larger value per unit than xiranite?

[nova lodge]

hmm.....hydro mining does comes with the cost of increased protocol capa use.....this can be a problem =.=

[shell hinge]

Do conduits cost protocol capacity?

[nova lodge]

4 points for it

[storm garnet]

how likely do you guys think it will be that we get new components types during 1.x?

xircon components maybe? but if not, what could it even be

[shell hinge]

I've covered this several times at this point, so please review above messages if you want the answer.

[storm garnet]

if we get new types of gear every patch, it would seem almost useless to care, like an mmo that gives you new gear every patch

[nova lodge]

ah sorry, WHO TOLD ME ITS 4 POINTS FOR CONDUITS!?!
its just 1 for inlet, and 1 for outlet.
pump takes 2 points though

[shell hinge]

Have we gotten all beta content yet? Afaik hydro mining and cuprium was in beta no?

[storm garnet]

i didnt play beta, idk anything about it

[valid fox]

I'm running in circles here.
Stockpiling is useful to get components and new gear faster.
Doing it with xiranite, especially with valley transfer, is essentially doing the same thing as storing batteries but with unnecessary extra steps and annoyance.
Just sell extra batteries and delay producing new higher tier ones until gear that the player wants is made.

[storm garnet]

it's just a matter of order of things you want to do

[shell hinge]

I really hope we get some kind of weekly aic challenge

[storm garnet]

stockpiling xiranite might be useful though

[shell hinge]

Building factories is fun but rn you get ~2 hrs of factory gameplay per patch

[thorny latch]

hey, do wuling plants produce more carbon or did I just invent that

[shell hinge]

Yes

[nova lodge]

you had invented it, trus :3

glitched the game systems.

[storm garnet]

nervously checks his average of 6 hours per day of factory management

[thorny latch]

odd, the recipe doesn't show in the database

[shell hinge]

The aic system just isn't that complex rn

[valid fox]

It's redistribution of resources in such a way where we minimize the amount of time it takes to get new gear produced and artificed. All sides clear outpost and buy out the shop, only this method gets you new gear the fastest.

[storm garnet]

some recipes need to be made manually to appear

[shell hinge]

The advanced stuff like blackout detection and belt priority flow are not really useful rn either

[thorny latch]

oh

[valid fox]

It is pure time-optimization

[thorny latch]

so is the recipe the usual plant into refining unit deal?

[storm garnet]

try combinations of refining and shredding things, there are a lot of recipes. also some grinding ones

[shell hinge]

Hmmmmm

[thorny latch]

I just need carbon, I'm making an SC battery line right now

[storm garnet]

shred to refine or viceversa, each work

[shell hinge]

Could I use converger input order to self reset a protocol stash for priority output?

[nova lodge]

phew....done collecting all the rares.

[shell hinge]

Priority output is probably the one trick with stashes that has a use case atm

[storm garnet]

the energy emergency setup is the only converger priority i know and use

[valid fox]

Incorrect, since this was not applicable to cuprium components. You could save up all the xiranite, ultimately you couldn't run more than 2 lines because you need 60 cuprium ore per production line and we only have 120.

[storm garnet]

i don't even like using something that is basically a bug

[thorny latch]

wait I'm confused

[nova lodge]

i accidentally make strange builds by building things left and right so.....explanation is not gonna help for my builds ;v

[thorny latch]

jincao picking produces one seed but planting makes two?

do I only need one seed picker and one planter for jincao then?

[storm garnet]

yea, reverse of v4 plants

[thorny latch]

well shit this makes things way easier

thanks

[storm garnet]

yep, just 2 buildings and they give double carbon, they are great

[nova lodge]

wulling seeds produce 2 plants per seed
wulling plants produce 2 carbon blocks per refinement
wulling carbon blocks each produce 2 carbon powder per shreeder :3

[storm garnet]

only small downside is the water

[thorny latch]

that's just carbon in general

[nova lodge]

wulling plants had been steriod injected indeed :3

[storm garnet]

you can shred the plants to make them into food powder and then refine them to make carbon powder

same deal

i prefer this order

[nova lodge]

pretty sure V4 plants only give 1 carbon per plants.

[storm garnet]

i can use the food from other places to fill the machines if something happens

[thorny latch]

sewage logistics make me want to pull my hair out

there's two sources and both bottom out

[shell hinge]

Can you transfer sc wuling batteries from valley iv to wuling?

[nova lodge]

welcome to wulling :3

[thorny latch]

I can refine cuprium, but if my cuprium depot fills up, I can't produce more sewage

I can make xircon, but that only produces one sewage and I need two

[shell hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482466765459030056
That's the easy universal solution if you want it. Pretty much every solution involves selling yazhen a before batteries though

[thorny latch]

oh right I forgot about the syringes

I was gonna make batteries first so I could just build without worry but it seems I'll have to make space for it now

[nova lodge]

if you meant meta transfer, then nope ;v

[storm garnet]

the only wuling things in v4 meta is the plants, their seeds and their powder

[shell hinge]

I mean transfer, not metatransfer

[shell hinge]

Looks like it's just yazhen

[nova lodge]

sorry, my bad, too many people just went with meta transfer when they talk about it. =.=
but yes, you can. insane transfer cost though

[shell hinge]

Yeesh

I guess protocol stash priority output is the way to go for long power

[thorny latch]

facilities can't be mirrored

space efficiency is a fucking hoax

[nova lodge]

:3

[shell hinge]

Space efficiency is mostly useless, embrace lawn base

[storm garnet]

jincao can be used too, also as powder

[storm garnet]

don't put them exactly together, put them 1 tile off in any axis to make space for pipes

[shell hinge]

Yeah idk why database doesn't have everything all the time

[storm garnet]

well, 2 tiles off if the axis is the y in the pic

[thorny latch]

what, for the 2 space thing?

it's pointless

each conduit is connected to one pump and one refining unit consuming one water

[storm garnet]

i just looked at the pic quickly, but now i noticed you actually have 3 tiles

cause of the conduit

for me, it's not a great place to put it cause you will need to use a bridge for the sewage. i hate bridges.

[nova lodge]

my setup

[shell hinge]

I see we have a conduit user

Not even pipemaxxing

[nova lodge]

[storm garnet]

buildings outside? with this protocol capacity economy?

[nova lodge]

still going stronk :3

[storm garnet]

man, give me some

[nova lodge]

🙅‍♀️

me need them too ;3, never know

[storm garnet]

i can't even dare to think to do the trick of putting effluent reactors outside

i can put 2 outside and i get cap

[nova lodge]

on another note, i am pondering hard the need for 50 zipline limit =.=;;;

[storm garnet]

yea, between the capacity and the energy, i can't even reach 40

maybe a new sub pac helps in some mysterious way

[nova lodge]

highly doubt it, since it will be in a new region ;v.

must
stay
hyrdrated!

i should work on 2.75 jinciao C 1st lul, need to catch up with outpost 1st.

[storm garnet]

i mean, by moving some things from wuling city to the new pac

but most things should be inside the aic anyways, idk

[subtle finch]

[storm garnet]

i guess i saved the capacity of 2 pumps when i put 2 xiranite lines in jingyu

[nova lodge]

gib us more protocol capacity and more build limit in aic instead ;v

50 zipline (that also need protocol capacity to place down) is just silly

[storm garnet]

yea, it's double limit basically

[thorny galleon]

Can I do Xircon and Xircon Effluent productions in the same Reactor Crucible at once?

[storm garnet]

no

[thorny galleon]

Dang

[shell hinge]

If you efficiently clock power, metatransferring dense originium powder yields more stock bills than yazhen c

[storm garnet]

everything needs its own reactor, but you can use liquid xiranite reactors to make liquid food too

that's the only way to save reactors

[thorny galleon]

Liquid Food?

[storm garnet]

yazhen and jincao

[nova lodge]

the thing is.....i am still using past 5K power
thank you for your suggestion though

[shell hinge]

This still applies past 5k power

[nova lodge]

even with nearly 12 SCwul battery production O.O?

[shell hinge]

Yes?

It means you can tune your power clocking to use less sc wuling

[thorny galleon]

Inert Xircon needs to be disposed of, right? Since it has no use?

[subtle finch]

xircon effluent and liquid xiranite can be made in the same crucible, but you need to time the rate of input.
i found this out because my sewage passthrough once overfilled the crucible.
i guess it might be viable if you're making comp, but managing the timing for that sounds complicated

[uneven aspen]

reactor tax seems to be fixed. none of my backup xircon was used

[pulsar willow]

poggers?

I can finally rebuild my factory one more time with that in mind?

[nova lodge]

ah yeah, gonna make LC wulling battery as well to balance things out. might consider it for later since that will require quite a bit of base restructuring. (xiranite usage at the limit atm)
for now, i will stick with C meds production.

[shell hinge]

Why lc wuling? It's strictly less efficient than sc

[iron stratus]

can i see the setup

[storm garnet]

until the factory can work perfectly everywhere, i won't care much about a fix here or there

[shell hinge]

Also the dense originium powder is for hc valley batteries, not any wuling ones. It doesn't use any xiranite

[storm garnet]

i mean, fixes for the game. i of course will obsessively fix my current way to make my factory until i burn out

[uneven aspen]

just xircon in some storage connected to the 2 reactors making xircon

[nova lodge]

the idea is to produce HC for usage, then sell off extra SCwul battery?

[shell hinge]

Yes

It's a slightly more efficient use of excess ferrium

[uneven aspen]

if it wasn't clear. greenline is the extra xircon

[storm garnet]

but it uses a lot of energy to make 1 hc line, no?

[uneven aspen]

if xircon reactor got taxed, the backup xirocn repalces it

[iron stratus]

product stash hell

[nova lodge]

ah, got a bit lost midway there, thank you for the explanation.
not too sure how to go about it just yet though. will go with C meds for now
(will need to adjust things from the ground up if it go with HC battery implementation lul)

[uneven aspen]

saw this earlier today before i left house.

so was curious

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[subtle finch]

im around this power use, is hc bat still feasible?

[uneven aspen]

hc valley?

[subtle finch]

hc wuling

[uneven aspen]

1 sec i gotta check sc valely bpower

[pulsar willow]

we don't have hc wuling

[uneven aspen]

i forgot how much 2 hc valley + 2 sc valley gives

[pulsar willow]

lc and sc only

[uneven aspen]

you can sustain taht and sell all sc wuiling

no syringe C

should be slightly more profitable iirc

3,040 power . . . i think it's 3sc valley then

[iron stratus]

can i get any lower than 5 thermal banks in valley 4

[uneven aspen]

so 3 sc valley + 2 hc valley for 3,460 power

idk it's based off how much sc valley you can create

metatransfer originium powder

[pulsar willow]

if you disconnect your turrets when they aren't used - yes

[iron stratus]

i forgot i still had those at my outposts for area defense

[pulsar willow]

I use 4 + some of the small capacity batteries

[storm garnet]

i have all my turrets with batteries and i still use almost 5.4k in valley

i guess all that extra is cause of extra item lines

[pulsar willow]

yeah all I do in valley is 3 hc battery lines and 3 buck capsules

that's it

[storm garnet]

i'll probably only do 3hc in the future and focus on filling the depot

with other materials i mean

[iron stratus]

no citrome c?

[pulsar willow]

I can change 1 of the planter setups to citrome, but what would it change?

[iron stratus]

nothing

you still probably wouldnt ever trade any of them

but at least your resource usage will be closer to 100%

[pulsar willow]

well I don't have any excess ferrium

Ah it's c

[storm garnet]

i think you don't need food c in valley if you only use 4 banks

[pulsar willow]

I am already collecting an ungodly amount of batteries/buck capsules

[storm garnet]

it would be just an extra then

[pulsar willow]

good enough, I will think about it.

and about making some cryston parts/components as well

I have like 50K of them already so it isn't a problem

[storm garnet]

anything below 80k is too few

[pulsar willow]

and it doesn't matter that you won't ever use that much

must have a surplus

[solid python]

All the wasted Amythest

I'm at 32k Zipline towers even with Citrome C selling

[valid fox]

[valid fox]

Zipline pylons

Or wait if it's cryston then it's towers, I'm old, forgetting Valley IV completely

[solid python]

I guess I can get those later

By the way, HC Valley batteries gives 1100 power. I take the excess from Valley IV to power Wuling and sell all SC Wuling batteries.

[thorny galleon]

Oh, just realized.. we don't have enough Originium production to get 2 SC xyranite batteries going, do we?

[solid python]

We have exactly enough to make 2 SC Wuling

[iron spoke]

should be just enough

[thorny galleon]

..Hm. brain's not mathing

[iron spoke]

maybe missing some nodes

[serene geyser]

480 originium needed for 12/min

[thorny galleon]

Okay, sounds like I'm missing nodes

I have 240/min production

[serene geyser]

regional development lvl8?

[thorny galleon]

Did we get more Originium nodes from 1.1?

[solid python]

If you haven't upgraded the region, some might be low purity

[thorny galleon]

9 in fact

[iron stratus]

just the 2 cuprium

you definitely are missing nodes

[thorny galleon]

ya I'm confused too

[serene geyser]

wher you miss half the cancer rocks

[lusty violet]

any places in the map you havent explored yet? with fog

[thorny galleon]

I don't see any fog

[iron stratus]

are there 8 or 16 nodes i forget

[solid python]

The thing in the top left usually tells you if you're missing some mines

[thorny galleon]

No luck with the notification

[lusty violet]

also, when you say 240/min production, is that the theoretical yield?

[thorny galleon]

Yeah, theoretical

I'm.. pretty confused rn. I was able to do 2x LC batteries

[iron stratus]

click on all the mineral bed symbols

check which dont have rigs

[serene geyser]

when i rebuilt factory i moved the AIC and it broke the electricity flow cuz 80m, check if the same happened

[thorny galleon]

Oh! There are a couple of rigs not work-

ahhhh one of my xyranite links got broken

lmao

[nova lodge]

time to use hydro mining instead

[lusty violet]

blackout

[thorny galleon]

Oh I did have a blackout momentarily

[solid python]

Just down for maintenance

[thorny galleon]

Was setting up my newly upgraded facilities and let it die since I had some batteries in my pocket

[storm garnet]

my liquid xiranite production is so perfect now it doesn't go up or down...

i want to fill it again...

suffering from success

[iron spoke]

i never knew where that was on the map, still don't

[solid python]

It's near the delivery depot

[vast iron]

belt lag test results are in

10 -> 0 over 5 hours, testing with 50 for exact rate

[storm garnet]

just north of the delivery depot

there is a quest to empty it once

[iron spoke]

guess I should go do that. does it give oroberyls?

[storm garnet]

maybe, cant remember. there is also a small zone to explore, with chests

[vast iron]

quite a few actually, theres some big chests down there (its a quest)

[shrewd knoll]

it might give you enough for a non fraction amount of pulls

[vast iron]

nah idk if its more than 1

[storm garnet]

if it gives half a pull it's enough to celebrate

[vast iron]

more than half a pull

[shrewd knoll]

theres like 5 or something chest inside

[vast iron]

theres a 150 chest down there i think

[shrewd knoll]

and the actual quest

[iron spoke]

I will get on that then

is there a start npc or it just opens with a puzzlew

[storm garnet]

there is a limited character selector too down there, just search deep

start npc

[shrewd knoll]

also free bottled water down

who can refuse bottled water

[vast iron]

drain the water fully to trigger
but theres an npc with a quest marker right next to the pool lol

[storm garnet]

the quest progresses slowly depending on the water level

btw, to get rid of the water. just use fluid supply to the right of the big door, there is a river there

[vast iron]

or you can drain overnight and do it all at once

[storm garnet]

it's right next to the tp point

[iron spoke]

ok thanks

[thorny galleon]

Hm.. what do I do with the leftover 30/min Ferrium?

[storm garnet]

1.0 food

[thorny galleon]

Lol, I guess that is a use for it

[serene geyser]

metastorage transfer 1500 per hour from v4 and produce 3 syringes per minute

[storm garnet]

2.75/min*

[iron spoke]

I built this for ferrium spendage. just turn off the corresponding output port depending on how much you want to spend

[vast iron]

depends if you run 11 or 12/min SC

[serene geyser]

yeah my b keep forgetting that i have 3 only cuz copium components

[storm garnet]

patch said reactors are fixed, but i have a total of 20 extra sewage today. while online.

[lusty violet]

fix your setup

[storm garnet]

i was going to test offline, but i can't even do that lol

[vast iron]

time to start doing real math

• time at start
• time at end
  amount of batteries gained
  for real rate

[storm garnet]

setup should be exact, i'm not making components

[uneven aspen]

how are you feeding your reactors sewage?

[thorny galleon]

I think I'll let the 30 ferrium rot. Not too much of a loss for me as long as I'm happy

[vapid granite]

I cant wait for 1.3 so i can restart my factory and do it all over again

[lusty violet]

i got 99.6% of expected amount for sc wbats, so seems actually fixed (before was ~97.5%)

[storm garnet]

wait, i have an idea, i think it might be from when i was fixing the xiranite line. i was pretty tight on liquid xiranite i guess

let's say it's that

[uneven aspen]

there's 4 cuprium refiners + 2 xircon sewage feedback for 6 sources when you only need 4 xirconeffu reactors so 2-3 extra sewage if you're doing less syringe A or not

[iron spoke]

does this mean backfeeding doesn't do anything anymore?

[vast iron]

assume thats from 0.3 belt then? (belt is real fuck me ig)

[lusty violet]

yea

[vast iron]

somehow its the first time i heard of it

today

[storm garnet]

i'm doing prioritizing sewage to reactors, then treatment btw

[vast iron]

ye same

[uneven aspen]

that means you have to give more sewage than what the crucibles eat to make it work

might have too much sewage taht you need more treatment

[storm garnet]

you know, i'm going to do a leap of faith and leave those extra 20 sewage just like that while offline. devs, don't dissapoint me.

[storm garnet]

6 sewage produced, 4 used, 2 treatment, that doesn't change with or without prio

[uneven aspen]

6 sewage is 3 sewage/s at max so some sewage might not move and accumulate

since pipes only move 2/s

depending on how you do the priority flow it might be too much sewage that osme don't move

[storm garnet]

i have the sewage divided in 2 parts, they only merge together at the end for the treatment

[small creek]

2 refinieries worth of sewage is enough for one prioflow xircon line

[storm garnet]

each xircon line is basically independent until it's time for treatment

[outer basin]

Where did they say this?

[storm garnet]

update

[outer basin]

Cool. Where?

The last patch notes are March 11.

[storm garnet]

not patch notes, update

[outer basin]

oh my god dude

Just post your damn source.

[storm garnet]

well, i don't want to open the game for you dude

[outer basin]

Alright, I'll just conclude you're lying then.

gg have a good day

[storm garnet]

ok dude

[keen river]

Its nowhere in game

Unless its only on asia server or something

[solid python]

or PC

[bright merlin]

Uh okay so rn I'm trying to find like ze best blueprint for valley 4 AIC that makes basic everything that I could need from it.

Rn my main aic, refugee camp, and infra station is upgraded to max

[storm garnet]

.

[lusty violet]

subsequent patches are appeneded to the March 11 notes

[storm garnet]

wasting my time

[iron stratus]

what's your regional development at

[shadow hound]

Think it's worth stocking up on Inert Xircron Affluent? Maybe it'll be used for something in a future update?

[keen river]

Ahh… would have never guessed, its not even part of version info from march 12 but part of patches from march 11, and then its on top instead of bottom for some reason

What a weird system

[storm garnet]

use a tank or 2 if you want. i don't think it's worth to use more

[keen river]

Wont tank fill in like 1 minute

Seem like a wasted effort

[storm garnet]

well, up to the individual

[bright merlin]

7 atm

Almost 8

[iron spoke]

throw some in unused excess amethyst or cryston bottles maybe

[shadow hound]

Well I got the giant pit filled with Liquid Xiranite and 58k ferrium bottles of liquid xiranite too

I figured I'd stock up on all the major liquids for future content

Guess is should do it in cuprium and steel bottles too

[keen river]

Given how factory economy works, i dont think there is any reason to stockpile anything whatsoever

You are always limited by outpost stock and currently you always produce more resources than outpost consume

[shadow hound]

Might as well use up the stock for something though

[solid python]

Stockpile to get a head start on the next factory

[shadow hound]

For all the xiranite I had saved up during the previous patch is just lying around

[iron spoke]

so much so that even sc wuling batteryx2 is overkill lol

[solid python]

Unless the next region doesn't need batteries

[shadow hound]

But why not stock up for the next Outpost?

What else am I supposed to do but prepare when I have NO SANITY

[keen river]

It will be like month+ till next outpost

You will overflow on sc batteries by then

[shadow hound]

Wait I thought more was coming when Rossi comes out

[solid python]

I'm overflowing on SC batteries now

[keen river]

Pretty sure the two new maps are part of 1.2

Is upgrade after rossi patch

[shadow hound]

[keen river]

Rossi’s patch only seem to contain her story quest to my understanding

[storm garnet]

rossi should be her quest and some events

[solid python]

That underground area that we can't get into yet

[scenic swift]

I prefer to have everything max with a line that turns on to refill afer use

[keen river]

Yeah, events too but those are somewhat on side of content patches

[solid python]

I should use my Originium overflow to max out facilities

[keen river]

They announced bunch of events

And removed the sanity discout event coz gatcha players cant login

We got bottles instead, i guess good enough

[real crescent]

i mean basically the same thing but better

[keen river]

Yeah

[solid python]

There's still a time limit on those sanity boosters

[iron stratus]

at least rossi's banner is only like 2-3 weeks so we wont have to wait long for 1.2

[keen river]

Yeah, 1.2 should be late april to my understanding

[shadow hound]

They're releasing the younger character when the content is completely dried up and you can't farm Orybels anymore.

Hmm...

[tawny bear]

always bet on geothermal banks

[solid python]

I was curious why we aren't using hydro-electric dams for power in Wuling

[shadow hound]

Isn't that what the stockade does

[keen river]

Pretty much, yeah

[shadow hound]

Wait why AREN'T we doing that?

Is Endmin incompetent?

[solid python]

Stick a Xiranite Tower on those water wheels and gain infinite power

[storm garnet]

isn't it just mechanical movement, not electricity?

[shadow hound]

Bro doesn't know how power is generated

[keen river]

You can assume AIC just needs too much power

[storm garnet]

i mean the stockade

[shadow hound]

Spinning magnets = Electricity

Waterwheels spin

[storm garnet]

i don't see where it produces/uses electricity

[keen river]

Nah, there are cables everywhere in stockade

[storm garnet]

i guess i missed them

[keen river]

Safe to assume they make power too

[storm garnet]

please, i'm not american

[solid python]

Maybe we haven't discovered magnets yet

[sharp mist]

If we thought about it - doesn't mean the devs have..

[upper fiber]

reactor fixed yet on asia?

[keen river]

Stockade isnt exactly technologically backward

[shadow hound]

Hook Perlica up to a power supply for her Electricity

Instant battery

[keen river]

Especially visible in the uncle side mission

[storm garnet]

they are mostly tinkers tbh

[unkempt estuary]

finally, 12/min sc wuling battery production done

[storm garnet]

ok, but you did it wrong, fix it

[keen river]

Well, i sort of wish the new region was bit better made

[unkempt estuary]

no

[keen river]

Its very nonsensical

It looks cool but its a massive mess

[unkempt estuary]

it also gibs 2 lines of cuprium and 2 lines of cuprium part

which I use to make yezhen syringe

somehow my cuprium ore mining is unstable

it sometimes drops to 90

idk why

purity issue?

[storm garnet]

check water on rigs

[shadow hound]

Water rigs

[storm garnet]

1 pump feeds 3 rigs

[shadow hound]

Depends on the purity of each

[bright merlin]

Ah nice valley 4 reg dev is now level 8

[unkempt estuary]

no issue there

[storm garnet]

not worth accounting for low purity

[shadow hound]

Exactly

[unkempt estuary]

in fact I'm doing one pump for two

[shadow hound]

Because one pump can't do three high purity ore

[storm garnet]

it can?

[shadow hound]

I literally tested this yesterday so

[keen river]

It can just exactly

[storm garnet]

each rig uses 1 every 3 seconds

[shadow hound]

Then why did I lose yield doing exactly that yesterday?

Pumps aren't hard to set up

[storm garnet]

you know, i'm not ingame and i'm about to go to bed

[storm garnet]

maybe offline bug

[shadow hound]

I stared at it in game

[storm garnet]

tbh, idk if i have a single pump feeding 3 high purity

i'll check tomorrow

[lusty violet]

1 pump can feed 3 high, did you look at it after some time?

[storm garnet]

btw, if you just connected the pumps, yea, they might fail at first for a bit

[lusty violet]

im also assuming it was an even 3 way split and not some kind of manifold

[storm garnet]

but they end up full after some hours

you can just stop the rigs and let them fill if you want them full asap

[shadow hound]

Yeah a single splitter

I mean it'd be good news if true though. I've been trying to save on power so I'm using only one wuling battery

[storm garnet]

i think they fill cause of offline bug

[idle zinc]

hi i was setting up the agricultural test site and i was wondering if it was necessary to set up a pump for each individual sprinkler or if i can just set up few and some pipe spliters

[real crescent]

one pump covers all

[idle zinc]

thank god i don't have to set up a bajilion pump

[upper fiber]

you just need bajilion sprinklers...

[uneven aspen]

are reactor crucibles better pipe splitters than pipe splitters?

[shrewd knoll]

if you want a 50 energy pipe splitter, why not

[ruby sorrel]

huh did they change something, my 100% SC batt line has xircon backing up in the reactor now

[inland perch]

yall know any spots where reed rye grows i need like 30 more to unlock the food recipe needed to submit today's exploration meal craft thingy

or nah i can jus wait for my plots to grow

[lusty violet]

valley pie? u can buy it here for 800 bills it seems (origin lodespring)

[inland perch]

oh cool ty

[ruby sorrel]

do you not have them from operator gifts? I have about a dozen of every food by now

[upper fiber]

not everyone like dijiang

[solid python]

I have at least 5 of the items Roman asked for so far

[hoary crag]

when the event banner had the massive cafeteria in the background, only for the actual event to take place on a small stall right across the road

[solid python]

Also, Tangtang's gift is disappointing (blue item). I hope they change that in future versions.

[hoary crag]

[valid fox]

How much trust do you have with her?

[inland perch]

maybe i do i forgot i jus store them in depot and forgot

[solid python]

Only about 120%

[valid fox]

Yeah, the gifts are upgraded to Wuling tier at 200%

[upper fiber]

they finally fixed it, no more taxes

[valid fox]

Keep going soldier make the supreme chief proud

[lusty violet]

-# almost no more taxes

[valid fox]

Did someone say, tax haven????

[hoary crag]

yes

[shrewd knoll]

taxes is part of your right, taxes are guaranteed

[hoary crag]

they fixed crucible tax

[upper fiber]

now i have to remake my factory again.... great

[iron spoke]

why is it that we can't use 1 fluid pump for 3 facilities if reactor crucibles can't produce more than .5/s anyways?

[inland perch]

there's taxes for wut

[ruby sorrel]

wait it's finally fixed?

[hoary crag]

fluid pumps only supply 1/s

[upper fiber]

iykyk

[iron spoke]

ah

[hoary crag]

the 2/s is pipe capacity

so you can have two pumps converging into one pipe

[iron spoke]

okay thank you. I understand now

[ruby sorrel]

I still like my funny pipesplitter stack though

[iron spoke]

pipes can push double but the pumps themselves still can only do half

[iron stratus]

will they refund us our lost sc batteries 🙏

[lusty violet]

i demand at least 5000 beryls as compensation, no less

[bright merlin]

Uh any recommendated valley 4 set ups?

[upper fiber]

yeah, the hole is 2x your

[iron stratus]

3 buck A lines 3 hc lines

[hoary crag]

^^^ this is more than enough to match the pace of maxed outpost profit

making amethyst pretty much useless

[upper fiber]

how about belt issue?

[ruby sorrel]

ig it explains how this happened

[iron stratus]

you can do with about 3 buck a and like 1.5 hc too but it's overly complicated for the sake of losing excess batteries

[bright merlin]

I see...

[lusty violet]

belt issue still seems around

but minor loss compared to the crucible

[ruby sorrel]

belt issue only drops production sth like 0.2%

entirely negligible in comparison

[bright merlin]

Cuz rn my reg dev is 8 (almost 9) and the only outpost that needs to be upgraded is uh. The powerplant one

And kinda wanna just set everything up before going to wuling

[hoary crag]

have you upgraded all depot nodes, stock redistrubution centers?

also recycling stations

[bright merlin]

I upgraded a few recycling stations to max (i think 4?) and unlocked all depot nodes but only one is lvl 2

[hoary crag]

hmm ic

I'll check the regional development level chart in a second

still getting more credits

[bright merlin]

My ass been hanging on a thread to get stocks by completing all the deliveries from the depots

[ruby sorrel]

idk looks like you'd mostly be waiting on outpost level anyways

[bright merlin]

And the refugee outpost is level 3

[hoary crag]

^^^

[valid fox]

So the crucible bug explains some of my conduits being filled with sewage from time to time and having to pull up some fluid tanks to alleviate it. I thought I was just skill issued while making the base.

[hoary crag]

to get the 18/min Buck A and HCV batteries, you'd need to be at regional development 11, which maxes out power plateau purity

which gives you a final output of 1080 ferrium/min and 560 originium/min once everything is rigged

the 18/min lines uses all ferrium and 540/560 originium

sandleaf can easily be farmed using planter loops

[ruby sorrel]

sewage was easily(?) solved by being silly and mixing waste into 2 units idk

[bright merlin]

Ah I see. So I should just sent up simple temporary things as I'm trying to max it out?

[ruby sorrel]

I still do 24 meds 6 batts in v4, I like burning the rest of orig on LC instead for some reason and it's practically the same stockbill output

[hoary crag]

anything that can boost profit yes

if your outposts are earning more than you produce, then a temporary line or two would do the trick, hopefully

[ruby sorrel]

if you don't have gilberta and/or yvonne you have to swap liasons to minmax

[hoary crag]

prioritize Buck A and HC valley lines

each line gives 6/min

[bright merlin]

Buck A?

[hoary crag]

Buck Capsule A

[bright merlin]

I only got access to C and B

[ruby sorrel]

well minmaxing bills, you need to swap refugee too for prosperity vs bill regen if you have no laev

[hoary crag]

then B

[shadow hound]

How much can the Waste Process Machines delete sewage per second?

[hoary crag]

also what merci said

[ruby sorrel]

go pick some sandleaf already if you have power plateau unlocked

[valid fox]

0.5/s same as 1 facility produces

[hoary crag]

1 every 2s

[ruby sorrel]

there's some by the first TP

[shadow hound]

So the equivalent of one sewage output from a reactor crucible

That sucks

[bright merlin]

I have a few sandleaves in my depot

[ruby sorrel]

should be able to make A then hmm

ig outposts might not buy it yet idr

[shadow hound]

"Endmin can you make some citrome we are starving"

"No. Have a battery."

[young igloo]

id rcm to rush thru the valley

[valid fox]

Let them eat batteries

[young igloo]

its pretty irrelevant now

[finite latch]

I don't understand what's wrong with my zircon setup why does the liquid xiranite reactor keep filling up with xiranite effluent????

[ruby sorrel]

I mean if you're just starting you still have to clear the stock redist items

[young igloo]

picture?

[ruby sorrel]

don't pass sewage through it, or just keep delete/replace until it stops that

[finite latch]

Sec

Don't pass sewage thr

OH

Bastard

[ruby sorrel]

it never does it when you want it to

[finite latch]

wasnt production formula selection MANUAL???

why

why

[young igloo]

man what is that jp censorship typa shi

[ruby sorrel]

you can also just copypaste them around until it stops doing the wrong one

[finite latch]

its me running sewage through

no i did that a few times alreay

it still spontaneously produces bloody effluent

[ruby sorrel]

it doesn't even do effluent with 1 reactor when I want it to

[finite latch]

bruh

[wispy grove]

nah its not

[upper fiber]

it will react if your xircon reactor full of sewage

[wispy grove]

i reccomend put a space filler before adding sewage

what i mean is

[ruby sorrel]

in theory you should be able to do it with 1 reactor from water xiranite to effluents if nothing ever backs up and it swaps the stock

but that never actually works sadly

[wispy grove]

water,xirainite,liquid xiranite, anything like ores, then sewage

[hoary crag]

also wait it automatically decides output now?

[young igloo]

yeah

always has been i think?

[hoary crag]

wild

nope it used to be manual

[young igloo]

owh the reactor output mb

[wispy grove]

not output

i mean production process

[bright merlin]

Welp got my uh mess of a setup for buck B and LC batteries

[finite latch]

no reactor production formula used to be manual

[young igloo]

used to?

idk

[young stag]

fah

how am i nearing limit already

[ruby sorrel]

"nearing"

[young igloo]

formula stuff is automated no?

[young stag]

have to place new ziplines to the new delivery point

[ruby sorrel]

wait there's a new delivery point?

[young igloo]

wait its increased zipline maximum

didnt noticed

[ruby sorrel]

I think I have room to hit 42 zips and that's it

protocol cap too low smh

[young stag]

new for me idk

[ruby sorrel]

nah that's been there

[young stag]

all th way over the aic

[young igloo]

nah thats 1.0 pint

[hoary crag]

ah yes, everyone's most hated delivery point

[young igloo]

and why tf u have 800 sanity

[ruby sorrel]

still takes over a min with zips lul

[lusty violet]

most sane endfield player

[upper fiber]

tele = instant

[young stag]

forgot about a handful of syringes that were expiring

[ruby sorrel]

I walked it once and it takes 15min

[vale swift]

Thought you could make two liquids at once, am I missing something???

[young igloo]

nah

lemme try

[upper fiber]

that reactor is broken, stash it and place new one

[vale swift]

o snap it works

[upper fiber]

it should

[pulsar cypress]

[young igloo]

holy i didnt know

[fervent spoke]

guess i was wrong

[young igloo]

2 more hour into the aic ig

[vale swift]

now to address the biggest issue of my Wuling Complex......the recurring power issue, seriously importing purple batteries from out of state is pain peko

[upper fiber]

well, people like me with <3.4k usage is having it easy

[young igloo]

how tf ppl achive 3.4k pow and stable prod line

i meant i do did some unrelated stuff to make stuff prettier but how

[upper fiber]

no turrets and farm

[bright merlin]

Oh my god I forgot to do the new simulations for more blueprints-

[young igloo]

agriculture is not included and im still 4.3k

[ruby sorrel]

recycle your crucibles, stop using stashes for everything, don't use more than 6 sandleaf loops

redo most of your mining with hydro...

should get it down

[young igloo]

sound like a lot of work

im in

[ruby sorrel]

I'm making SC LC med A/C and comps still under 3.4k

[fervent spoke]

don't you need 6/m yazhen A and 9/m SC Bat only to cap the outpost?

[young igloo]

12?

actually 11 bc of the bug or smth

[ruby sorrel]

yeah, but tax meant you couldn't cut it that close

I was always a few 1000s stockbills off

[severe nexus]

has tax not been fixed?

[fervent spoke]

you still have 55/m ferrium to make yahzen C or am i wrong xD?

[shell hinge]

You need 6/min yazhen a and 8.74/min sc bat

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but those are for hoarding

I still sold them ofc

[shell hinge]

Metatransfer dense originium powder and hc valley batteries are slightly more efficient than yazhen c if optimally clocking

[ruby sorrel]

the theoretical production I'm doing, post thermal bank and tax I was only getting 8.85/min sc though when taxed

when it would've cleared outpost if it was closer to 9

if it was actually 9/m + 5.8/m it's about 613bills/min out of 604.85