aic-factory

[bronze vector]

lets say that

[fluid fog]

https://klipy.com/gifs/arknights-kashchey

[bronze vector]

conveyor belts r not tps resistant

usually

idk how belts works in ef

in programming terms

[fluid fog]

Yikes, I rework Wuling now. Gonna lessen all the end product. I dont like Xiranite getting low.

[dark furnace]

this one is mine

[tawny bear]

gREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY

[valid fox]

This is a 1 day graph. Anyone know why do these variations happen while I'm offline? I have more than enough xiranite and refined cuprium in storage for these unloaders.

[fluid fog]

when accurate math needs, Excel is right answer...

[cunning obsidian]

okay sanity check

for yazen syringes a single planter line is going to make double what i need correct?

and there isn't enough cuprium for two syringe lines?

[wispy grove]

already done blueprint posting

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[valid fox]

Yes and yes.

[lusty violet]

if you have excess of both, then it's just typical offline belt slowdown

[cunning obsidian]

hope everyone likes yazen powder boxes i guess

[upper fiber]

last check before sleep time

imagine have to check factory every night....

[dark furnace]

instead of protocol stash try to use depot loader and see if there's any difference

[vale topaz]

at least you can also check about sanity points to grab upgrade resource.

[dark furnace]

what BP posting?

[valid fox]

What do you mean by excess? Also, I made this base myself, there's mega bases other people made that don't have this issue somehow

[wispy grove]

i posted my wuling blueprint in bp channel

[marble yarrow]

[lusty violet]

excess as in there isn't a bottleneck happening elsewhere, and there is sufficient material in the depot

[valid fox]

Stashing shouldn't be a problem since there's like 8 seconds of the belt being empty. Idk I'm desperate for anything but I think the problem is in either unloaders or fitting unit. Or both.

[lusty violet]

check if you're hitting a stable 6/min components when online - if you are then it's probably offline stuff

[thorn pike]

my lawyer said i shouldn't say what i would have

[valid fox]

Yeah, it's perfectly fine when I'm online.
I just filled the line with materials and will see what happens when I'm offline. If my suspicions are right, the number of materials will be maintained while I'm online and then will drop when I'm offline.

[bronze vector]

switch to 1d

[valid fox]

What kills me is that there are blueprints out there that don't suffer from this issue somehow.

[bronze vector]

the dents r barely noticeable

[valid fox]

Idk these are very annoying

[lusty violet]

if they use belts, they're affected (though it's a very minor loss in speed, like <0.3%)

[wispy grove]

i think im too late on posting my factory

[valid fox]

If I trust the graph it's more than 0.3%

[copper lily]

Is 35/minutes the maximum production of the xircon?

[dark furnace]

can you show us the graphs for cuprium and xiranite

[lusty violet]

don't completely trust the graph, track actual depot numbers if you want something more accurate
for example graph says i'm making 11/min sc bats but it's actually 11.71

[runic shell]

is there any good endgame factory to let it autofarm, i alrdy got components n stuff but idk what next

[valid fox]

1 day graphs

[dark furnace]

show 2h or 30 mins graph

1 day is too flat

[storm garnet]

Just make 12 sc, 3 yanzhen a and 2.75 yanzhen c

[bronze vector]

i can see it

1 fucking

barely noticeable dent

[runic shell]

what is that ?

[storm garnet]

Units per minute

[valid fox]

It's the same with 2h graph except it's 120 average, maybe I've been online for too long now. But you can see the 119 average on the 1d one instead of 120. It's gotta be the belts.

But the production graph is making me think the production loss is greater meanwhile it's probably counting low so 2.98 per minute looks like 2 per minute ig

[storm garnet]

Can you put the sewage too?

[dark furnace]

belt bug doesn't make thing as worse as yours, it has to be something else

[valid fox]

149 instead of 150

[storm garnet]

Should be 180 yield

[valid fox]

Xircon is 29 instead of 30

[dark furnace]

what timestamp are those graphs?

[valid fox]

One battery line is off because of components production

[dark furnace]

the ones that fluctuate

[storm garnet]

Ah, you doing 6 comp

[valid fox]

The component, battery and yazhen a is 1 day graph

Here's a 2 hour component graph

There was 1 dip while I was offline

[storm garnet]

Comp needs coprium parts, so that affects yanzhen too

And sewage

[valid fox]

I've cut half cuprium from yazhen A

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-rosa-diaz-i-dont-get-it-seems-pretty-normal-seems-normal-gif-25422754

[valid fox]

It produces at 3/m

[waxen aurora]

how long does it take to use all 58k cuprium comps

[valid fox]

Also another dip at the 2h graph

Similar timeline

[storm garnet]

Ah, right, yazhen a at 6/min is the normal rate

[marble yarrow]

edging ahh

[dark furnace]

these dip in 2h graph is normal for everyone

I don't reference to 1day graph because they round dramatically

[valid fox]

Ah fuck off

Thanks for fast action whoever did it, hate spammers

[waxen aurora]

#do-not-post-or-get-beaned funny mechanic that works well

[dark furnace]

just report the message to discord and have the account banned

[valid fox]

Guess the bot took time to post to that thread and get nuked

[dark furnace]

i think the bot posted in that channel right away, but it was the server bot that took some time to ban the user from this server

[valid fox]

You think it rounds down yeah? 5.95 would look like 5 then.

[dark furnace]

last time a bot spamming in my server, it just took them seconds to spam in all channels

[hushed blaze]

Wait so bots will post some sort of scam link in every channel

[dark furnace]

yea they don't know what channel does what

[waxen aurora]

i mean thats what happens to all those hacked accounts

they post in all channels that they can chat

[storm garnet]

It's not round down but more like a count of the last x seconds, and if in that time frame you make 2,it says 2,and if you make 4, it can say 4.

But then real average is 3

[fluid fog]

since the belt issue still exist, I will overhead my input so it guaranteed the capacity

[dark furnace]

no one knows how they draw the graphs yet unless we test in an enclosed environment to see what we consumed : produced and compare them to real time. But I don't think anyone has time for that

so don't bother too much about the graph

[storm garnet]

I just use 3 belts from refinery to grinder and it works

[dark furnace]

last time I did, I wasted like 3 days to build a buffer setup for 12/m battery

[storm garnet]

Basically, just using extra belts works

[dark furnace]

yea the graph is stable for 12/m for all timestamps

but it costed me more xiranite

[storm garnet]

Right now, my problem with xiranite lines is getting wuling plants into the shredder

[hoary crag]

this... is quite the curve 😭

[storm garnet]

I would need to move everything to get extra belts

[dark furnace]

take your time i guess

or just copy a BP

[waxen aurora]

how?

again

sure get beaned

[dark furnace]

so many spam this weekend

[sonic summit]

man i hate that the bug keep bottle necked my output that i need to do dual channel belt

[dark furnace]

i wonder what they did to get hacked

[waxen aurora]

by believing that scam i guess?

[dark furnace]

i donno that scam existed for 10 years

every hacked account be like posting those pictures

[hushed blaze]

Many things now hackable. Including entering some official games web or something

[dark furnace]

yep

[sterile topaz]

can anyone know how to increase my power grid

[storm garnet]

It still exits cause it works somehow

[waxen aurora]

use a thermal bank

[hushed blaze]

Thermal banks.

[hoary crag]

step 1: want to increase depot cuprium
step 2: make cuprium refineries

• power over capacity -
  step 3: add temporary bank using emergency HCV
  step 4: profit
• realize there's more than enough power to sustain turrets for essence farming, does it anyway -
  step 5: more profit
  step 6: remove extra cuprium cuz finished, as well as temporary bank

[hushed blaze]

If you don't have one, craft one

[storm garnet]

Use hot banks

[waxen aurora]

and put ori ores or batteries in it

[dusty snow]

Is multiple pumps needed for the sprinkler in Wuling?

[dark furnace]

no

[sterile topaz]

where should i put it

[dark furnace]

just one pump is enough

[hoary crag]

totally did not log off without forgetting to remove the pylons supporting the turrets

[waxen aurora]

you just need one

but i still prefer doing it manually

[dusty snow]

So just one for the entire plot right? They will just alternate.

[real crescent]

was it the famous youtuber or twitter owner giving away money thing again?

[storm garnet]

1 pump for the whole farm is enough

[dark furnace]

it takes some time to fill up all sprinklers the first time you set them up, but after they are all filled up, one pump is more than enough

[waxen aurora]

it takes 12 hours relax

[hushed blaze]

Wow. That was huge reference

[waxen aurora]

its not a solid yield like 3 per hour

[dark furnace]

sprinklers store enough water to water 2 plots

[waxen aurora]

its 3 per 12-24 hours depends on you

[storm garnet]

Well, sprinklers need to work every 4 hours, but that's more than enough time to fill

[waxen aurora]

can we have auto germinate 😭

[real crescent]

didnt want to say the names cos i know some servers have blacklisted the names to combat the spam (which isnt really working anymore now that they just send images)

[waxen aurora]

so sprinklers will be worth it

[dark furnace]

your teammates

[dark furnace]

tbf they worth it already for wuling plants, no way I am logging in every 4 hours to water them

[waxen aurora]

mhm

efficient

[valid fox]

I'll just assume it lies then, since the closest reliable info I have is that I produce 119 cuprium and 119 xiranite, this shouldn't affect the real production of batteries, yazhen and components nearly as much

[hushed blaze]

Forget about farms. Just why can't those plants able to grow in planting unit

[storm garnet]

Just note down your item count in depot now and check it later.

[hoary crag]

welcome to the rice fields

[hushed blaze]

But you can make it in seed picking unit

[waxen aurora]

then grow it with planting units

[daring nexus]

Help, I couldn't keep up with HC battery prod 😭🥀
Costant power outage is crazy

[waxen aurora]

itd make no sense for a plant that needs special cultivation

[waxen aurora]

you need 1080 ferrium/min

[storm garnet]

Skill issue

[dark furnace]

the reason for farming

[daring nexus]

😭🥀

[lusty violet]

show image of your hc bat setup

[valid fox]

They shortened this time by speeding up the process

[hushed blaze]

V4 has plot farms as well. Not only just wuling

[dark furnace]

yea

also bull dung

[waxen aurora]

almost similiar to pokemon when i have to use foods to increase whatever stats i want

[dark furnace]

they shortened the softlock of patting bulls

[hushed blaze]

Worse part is v4 doesn't even allow sprinkles

[waxen aurora]

you dont need reed ryes or tartpeppers that much

[valid fox]

When the wonky autoaim would make you interact with the burdenbeast you already patted

[waxen aurora]

if ur doing the food mission you can buy in origin lodespring

[daring nexus]

I made it as small as possible

[storm garnet]

But that's the only way to get 80k "fast"

[storm garnet]

Oof

Make that 3 times

[lusty violet]

uh.. ok so to make 6/min hc bat, you need 6 ori 4 ferrium depots
your sandleaf production is only 50% efficient, you need 2 planters 1 seeder for a set

[daring nexus]

Already make 2

[storm garnet]

Well, for steel just 2

Your ratios are wrong

[wispy grove]

[storm garnet]

Before telling you more, I think you should first go back and check the recipes to learn about ratios

You are making everything 1:1

Also why 3 bottles but everything else is 1 lol

[daring nexus]

I uhh

Kinda new here

😭🥀

[storm garnet]

I know, don't worry

Just take a bit of time to check the recipes

Apart from the recipe numbers, another tip: if a machine makes more than 1 item per craft, use more belts as output, don't use a splitter on a single belt. It's a common mistake for some.

[drowsy locust]

how to fix

[valid fox]

Oh yeah one more thing that happened that can definitely be related to belts only. When I was doing full yazhen A production, I kept seeing empty yazhen solution in my filling unit. Shredder was full of plants and powder, but reactor crucible was empty of powder. I'd put 2 belts into the reactor, get it up to 50 and then log off, next time I went in the game, 30 powder in the reactor crucible. There's nothing else it can be.

[drowsy locust]

need the sewage

[slate plume]

THEY HAVE FINALLY FIXED THE SEWAGE PROBLEM WOHOOO

[hushed blaze]

I feel like sandleaf powder being 1 belt output from shredding is not really good idea
Considering 1 sandleaf gives 3 powder

[storm garnet]

It's a belt issue from the planters. Ideally you want 2 belts going back to seeder and 2 to shredder.

And use all 3 outputs from shredder

[hoary crag]

?

[swift token]

what exacly?

[storm garnet]

He probably got lucky while offline

[drowsy locust]

nvm

[young stag]

497/500

[valid fox]

It causes powder to be output slower from the shredder to the reactor crucible?

[small creek]

pipes can only take at most 2 water pump worth of water right

[storm garnet]

Well, what I'm talking about can be checked if your shredder is at 0 plants when you come back online

[swift token]

still dont understand

[valid fox]

Nah, it's full of plants and powder because I'm using half of the shredder's output and it gets clogged all the time. Inefficient but whatever.

But crucible slowly loses its accumulated powder when at full production (when offline)

[quartz latch]

Does anyone have or follow a megabase blueprint for Wuling? I'm trying to remodel my base but brain too smol to understand the new explanations

[young stag]

i still don’t know or understand why this graph isn’t at 12/12

[storm garnet]

Then the problem is the belts from shredder to reactor. Sadly, you can only input 2 belts per reactor. Ideally, you want to use all 3 outputs of the shredder.

[waxen aurora]

watch a tutorial video

of that megabase bp

[vast iron]

wait they fixed crucible tax?

[quartz latch]

Can you recommend one?

[young stag]

oh AND my copium part count is being eaten

by some mysterious force

[waxen aurora]

no i cant i havent rebuilt mine yet

[quartz latch]

[vast iron]

well my name outdated now
but at least its good news

[fluid fog]

A bit exaggerated but this will do.

[swift token]

using more than 120 xiranite per minute i suppose

[unkempt estuary]

I cant find place to put my second sc battery line

Im cooked

[storm garnet]

So, can I turn off my 3rd treatment unit now and get 50 energy back?

[unkempt estuary]

I need to make it more compact

time to youtube

[young stag]

120 exactly

[swift token]

dam, then how big is your one farm?

[wispy grove]

try it first, and start every crucible from zero to test if it really work

[valid fox]

This is a pain in the ass, I'll just take the small tax on production from whatever bug, we'll be overstacked on batteries after 2 weeks anyway just like in 1.0.

[swift token]

theoretical usage?

[wispy grove]

as long asn theres dips, it means theres still tax thats all i could think of

[storm garnet]

Btw, try to get 2 tiles of belts between machines and or unloaders, so offline belts work better

They can be curved

I think

[valid fox]

I manually made my base day 2 and made it compact, doing that would force me to remake the whole thing so I'll just leave it as it is

Ironically remaking it would cost me more resources

[storm garnet]

Same kinda, I'm just doing it where I can

[lusty violet]

longer belts would be the same from my tests

[valid fox]

Well, I guess I can do it in some places

[hoary crag]

wait under which update note is this?

[lusty violet]

CN right?

[young stag]

the fuck

[trail fulcrum]

I need some advice… how many cuprium/xiranite components does it make sense to stockpile? I filled up the current wuling depot (58k) and could theoretically transfer more to the valley iv depot… but part of me would like to switch over to producing more batteries and syringes… which is better?

[wispy grove]

nah

its ingame

i saw it

[waxen aurora]

more syringes and batts

i dont think you can consume 58k comps in a month

[wispy grove]

im not sure if its asia only tho

i think u should check it urselves

[lusty violet]

im NA/EU and don't see it

is it in Updates tab?

[upper fiber]

bro those gears gonna expire in 3months

[wispy grove]

yeh

[lusty violet]

[young stag]

my sewage is clogging for whatever reason

[swift token]

then there must be something wrong with, maybe not enough water to some facilities?

[trail fulcrum]

Definitely not in a month xD I’m kinda lazy on gear artificing bc I bet the next patch or teo will yield higher lvl gear

[storm garnet]

max comp usage you can have per week is 4k

[swift token]

might as well just send ss of your factory

[wispy grove]

mine is in march 12

[young stag]

i fixed it

for some reason the sewage decided to clog

even when there shouldn’t be

[young stag]

they overturned crucible and now it doesn’t eat sewage anymore

[wispy grove]

maybe asia first

[young stag]

it clogs

[lusty violet]

WHAT

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[lusty violet]

oh 3-21

I SEE IT

guess they just append new notes

time to record numbers and check

[hoary crag]

I'll check the right fluid tank when I wake up

if it's still empty then the crucible tax has been fixed

which by then I will happily remove these tanks

[upper fiber]

rip asia

[storm garnet]

btw my setup prioritizes getting the reactors full of sewage, so i can just start the test already by turning the treatment unit off

[hoary crag]

for my reference when I wake up too as well ig:

TR reactor

xiranite: 28
water: 16-17
TL reactor
xiranite: 28
water: 15
LR reactor
sewage: 12-13
LL reactor
sewage: 10

[wispy grove]

then my swas- i mean my plumbing skills just thrown out of the window

[storm garnet]

i have 2 tanks for the sewage too before the reactors, we'll see

[vale topaz]

owh, no wonder mine is stable today

[storm garnet]

for now, when i logged in, it was all ok i think

[upper fiber]

anyone test running 497/500?

[storm garnet]

i have about 35 xiranite in depot for some reason

[young stag]

something is happening to my aic

this uses 1 sewage per second right

[cerulean whale]

I'm deleting my whole factory 🏭

[vale topaz]

oh yeah, stable just like how i left my factory 8 hours ago.... no more random sewage pile up

[upper fiber]

so people doing loopback gonna piling sewage?

[wispy grove]

try it first

[upper fiber]

go try 497/500 yazhen

i'm lazy to login

[storm garnet]

imo getting all sewage together is better

[upper fiber]

but this morning my xircon eff still lost 2 from 222, so asia not fixed

[storm garnet]

though i do it in half, 3 sewage sources in 1 pipe, 2 pipes

so it doesn't fully fill a pipe

i'd like to get them together before they hit the reactors though, they are separate rn

[young stag]

this was just at 93 5 minutes ago

where in hell am i clogging at

[storm garnet]

bottom right gets the leftover together into treatment units

[plain blaze]

Any way to bipass this?

[shell hinge]

Are people still worried about the reactor bug? Has anyone discovered a setup that suffers more than a slight slowdown as a result of the bug?

[plain blaze]

I still have a bunch of room left so its kinda annoying

[hoary crag]

@wispy grove ngl I'm starting to feel like this channel just finished a whole damn story chapter with that crucible fix

[hoary crag]

reactor bug fixed

[vale topaz]

waiting curpium component to hit 58k
still 27k

[hoary crag]

.

[lusty violet]

if it's fixed

[shell hinge]

I guess that's nice but it was such a minor issue

[hoary crag]

if you lose 1 cent every minute

you'd still lose a considerable amount of dollars per day

[shell hinge]

It was more like losing 0.01 cents that you weren't allowed to spend anyway

[upper fiber]

and you need that 1 cent to pay debt collector....

[hoary crag]

the point still stands

[lusty violet]

idk it was like 2% of production

[shell hinge]

Outpost and artificing limits are lower than producing by more than enough that the bug never impacted anything useful

[shell hinge]

You could lose around 5% and still feel no impact

[lusty violet]

true, maybe more of the differences in fluid buildup for online vs offline (tho with a proper setup it wouldn't be a problem anyway)

[swift token]

just show your factory so maybe i could help or someone else, i dont have any problems with that even after the patch they did (idk what it even was lol)

[fluid fog]

underclock, 105 xiranite liquid.

[storm garnet]

use less belt segments/splitters

[wispy grove]

if theres no impact, you wouldnt have come up with priority flow in the first place tho

[fluid fog]

w8 I forgot to split the left side XD

[hoary crag]

use less belt/pipe logistics if applicable

also, try to move the more independent production lines (e.g, planter loops) into your subpac

[shell hinge]

Idk what the issue with fluid buildup was, it's just a minor slowdown of cuprium if sewage builds up

[storm garnet]

pipes are separate, aside of tanks and conduits

[hoary crag]

pipe logistics don't count to aic facility count?

[storm garnet]

nope

[shell hinge]

I came up with it because I like optimizing. It was never critical to meet outpost caps unless you ran a very high component production rate.

[hoary crag]

ooh that's useful info

[lusty violet]

conveyor belts don't count in limit i think

[storm garnet]

you can put pipes even if you reach 512 buildings

pipes have a limit too though

[storm garnet]

they do

belts count per segment, not tile

like pipes for their own limit

[lusty violet]

👀

[valid fox]

Yeah all of this is ultimately optimization for the sake of optimization, thank god it's not mandatory even with bugs affecting production slightly.

[lusty violet]

i could hit the 512 limit but still place a belt segment after
didnt try more than 1 segment tho

[wispy grove]

[storm garnet]

arguing that x is not necessary to optimize is like arguing why do a 2k puzzle instead of a 1k one

[valid fox]

Yes, you do puzzles for the sake of doing puzzles.

[storm garnet]

you probably were using the same belt but extending it, or whatever made you hit the limit was using 2 of that limit before

like a bp

[valid fox]

To clarify, I meant trying to work around these sewage bugs and maybe belt bugs as well.

[young stag]

2x of this

4 refinery somewhere else

xiranite was also capped at 105 but that’s bc i forgot a protocol stash

[vale topaz]

wish there is a way to tell how many more factory items allowed to be placed before hitting limit

[lusty violet]

oh i think belt segments and facility count are separate

[storm garnet]

well, my experience is from v4, and when i hit max facilities, belts were maxed too and gave me errors when changing them

i'll check on wuling

[wispy grove]

negative sanity

[lusty violet]

this is pretty buggy

[storm garnet]

dude, i only put 6 splitters and i'm already at 512...

[lusty violet]

im getting parameter errors and the message pops up sometimes, but i can place more belts

oh shi-

[upper fiber]

too many pipes?

[dark furnace]

why split the belt for 2nd left xiranite when you are going to pump the same amount of xircon eff into the xircon crucible

[storm garnet]

wut, another capacity limit lol

[dark furnace]

might as well just input 35/m xiranite to the right crucible

[storm garnet]

breaking news, a new limit has hit the towers

[fluid fog]

huh? no, those are only making Liquid Xiranite.

[storm garnet]

maybe that's the limit i reached in v4

[swift token]

does it provide enough sevage?

[storm garnet]

it's about 750 in v4, more than the 512 of wuling

[dark furnace]

i skipped the step of saying liquid xiranite because they eventually turn into xircon eff based on the amount of liquid xiranite you input to them

so there's no difference saying xircon eff and liquid xiranite

[storm garnet]

i managed to get the belt error, but not the 1152

[fluid fog]

I will misunderstood it so there's difference. Anyway I did this so I can guaranteed it that it doesn't use up all Xiranite

[storm garnet]

ok, got the 1152 error

i had to remove 1 bulding to get below 512, then get more belts, then put a building

[dark furnace]

yea I get what you are trying to do, but I am just saying that 105/m can be achieved by just spliting one of your xiranite input back to loader. which won't affect your final production

[storm garnet]

i can still make existing belts longer though

[small creek]

pipes dont, pipe logistics do

[storm garnet]

that's the pipe limit yep

[upper fiber]

so we can't cover all wuling map with pipes, sadge

[valid fox]

Pipe down player

[thorn pike]

if they dont put a limit then players might crash their entire save forever after the dev patch some areas

[storm garnet]

wait, i wonder if i can put more pipes now that i hit 1152

[small creek]

pipes count toward "facilities and logistics count" which has a higher limit
pipe logistics only count towards "facility count" despite having logistics in the name lol

similar concept to belts

[fluid fog]

That's true. But I just like to it to split that way so I don't over do it in one part.

[dark furnace]

[storm garnet]

nope, 1152 is for everything

[fluid fog]

I sometimes overlook everything so I do read easily.

[valid fox]

Meanwhile my ass getting limited by the protocol capacity like a true casual

[storm garnet]

just in case, i'll go to jingyu, it might be regional (?)

[small creek]

not regional

separate between subregion

[dark furnace]

@fluid fog imo you are overdoing it already, but as long as you are happy with your creation 👍

[storm garnet]

i mean the 1152 in specific

[small creek]

i have never heard of this 1152

[storm garnet]

nope, it was per zone anyways

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[storm garnet]

check a bit above

[small creek]

nah no thanks

anyway

[wispy grove]

did just my ferrium lowered on its own??

[storm garnet]

ah hdr

[dark furnace]

are you doing 90/m?

[wispy grove]

what?

[dark furnace]

what you doing with ferrium

oh you posted the crucible

[vale topaz]

151 more facility/belt utility..... hope will be good enough

[wispy grove]

yeah, what does that have to do with it? its a separate refiner

[storm garnet]

check if your ferrium ore is full

or ferrium products

[dark furnace]

meanwhile my xircon crucible

[wispy grove]

ofc its full i didnt touch ferrium cause i know it will clog anyways

but now

it lowered to 49

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[vale topaz]

optimized your zip line and power relay ?

[dark furnace]

I hate this graph, can't be understanded

offline btw

no xiranite drop too

neither did it pile up

is it because of the bug fix I can't tell

[potent glen]

guys how do u fit a yazhen syringe a + sc wuling battery farm in 66x35?

[dark furnace]

sounds really compact if you are doing that

[upper fiber]

depend on that sc bat is from scratch or not

[wispy grove]

lemme show yah

[dark furnace]

unless you seperated the cuprium production

and input the sewage via conduit

[potent glen]

i did it and the yazhen farm is only meant to sustain the sewage requirements for the battery plant 💀

[wispy grove]

my old version

[dark furnace]

oh nvm it's achievable, my SC production without yazhen only took 55x32

[grand wren]

guess I'll keep making LC valley batteries for now

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[frail trail]

Hello chat

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/zebra-costume-running-man-running-zebra-weird-bizarre-gif-3527167

[upper fiber]

uh did you see how much stuff needed per item inside the packaging unit?

[dark furnace]

oh one SC

i thought they meant 2 SC

[wispy grove]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1485275026516213821 here use my uhh SC battery and yazhen A, u can delete my Yazhen C

[upper fiber]

that's w/o xyranite yet

[dark furnace]

because 66x35 is pretty large @wispy grove

so I assumed 2SC

[vast iron]

this image is a psycological hazard

[wispy grove]

thats the space, i made smaller than that

[dark furnace]

you don't even need half of 66x35 to build one SC + yazhen

I mean the original question

[wispy grove]

nah only 1 sc

[grand wren]

by the way the pic I sent is of the Valley IV core AIC area

[dark furnace]

so I assumed they meant 2SC

[vast iron]

SC + yazhen a is probably like
40 x 30

[upper fiber]

ori powder need 10, so you can input 2 output of shredding unit to 1 packaging unit

[grand wren]

sure

[valid fox]

Yes, what is pushing it are my sprinklers in the farm, conduits directly outside of my AIC area and conduits for hydro mining rigs

[vast iron]

i mean assume a line of originium is 30/min
to achieve full efficiency on a LC valley you would need 10 every 10s or 60/min so 2 lines of crushed originium for 1 packaging unit

[vast iron]

how many zips total?

[storm garnet]

btw, just in case, you need an extra shredder per battery packager to do this

[storm garnet]

2 belts from the same shredder won't work

[wispy grove]

thats 58x 24( if you dont include yazhen C)

[valid fox]

37/50, 33/50 if we only count the ones used for depot delivery and rare resources routes.

[vast iron]

i mean with that many you should be able to get under 3.4k definitely

[vale topaz]

uhh, screenshot your wuling map ?
seem can be optimized, also reducing dependency on intlet/outlet for hydro mining rig

[vast iron]

are your turrets battery powered?

[potent glen]

i may have built mine like a german car with no real redundancy wwww

[valid fox]

Uhh I wasn't bothered with my electricity usage at all? But yeah with 2 battery and 1 yazhen lines working I am just slightly below 3.4k used, with battery powered turrets.

[vast iron]

[valid fox]

I was just kidding around a bit, everything I want is working at just 349/350, if I ever needed the protocol capacity I would just put conduits that are outside of my AIC area, right inside.

[vast iron]

ah all good then

[vast iron]

i mean you can try reducing the pipe usage on your hydro drills

[wispy grove]

mine i just separate blueprints by product

[vast iron]

by grouping all splitters together and minimzing bridges

[wispy grove]

thats why i can duplicate factories

[vast iron]

etc

i doubt any factory fits in 1 blueprint anyways

would be a miracle

[wispy grove]

im a miracle

[valid fox]

Speaking of pipes, do splitters take protocol capacity by any chance?

[wispy grove]

except HC battery ofc

[vast iron]

y e s

[wispy grove]

[valid fox]

Well I did a lot of splitting

In order to use as little pumps as possible

[vast iron]

every single splitter, bridge, converger and segment of belt counts as a facility

segments of pipes and all pipe facilities too-

[grand wren]

sure

[valid fox]

Well they definitely don't count 1 for 1 cause I would fill up very fast then

[vast iron]

oh

yeah its each unbroken section

so a 80 length unbroken pipe has the same facility usage as a 1 long pipe

[potent glen]

do not question my sanity

[vast iron]

so you have to minimalize those too

[valid fox]

But yeah I used splitters to make the correct amount of water go into each one of them. Low purity minerals take 1 water every 6s. High purity take 1 water every 3 seconds.

[vast iron]

i dont need to, its obvious

[worthy sky]

Mmmm, no need for a bridge I guess.

[grand wren]

so something like this

[storm garnet]

yes

[vast iron]

[storm garnet]

man, after fully optimizing my 2 xirinite lines in the sub pac for offline bugs, it already takes basically half the space

the other half is dense originium

[vast iron]

yeppers

[storm garnet]

time to finish the optimization on the other 2 lines in the main pac...

[vast iron]

they already fixed the offline bug tho?

[valid fox]

Here's the zipline map, I mean, it's pretty optimized for deliveries and resource obtaining, maybe there's a place or two that can cut some distance but ultimately I doubt it would take off a zipline. Don't mind the 1 zipline for a ginseng plant or 2 ziplines in logistics section for poopmaxxing.

[storm garnet]

that's just for reactors and treatment units

there are many more bugs

if the planters and seeders bug out after i give them 2 belts, i'm going to cry

hopefully, the next weak link is not the pumps, cause that's the last thing after it

[vast iron]

no clue how thats a bug, first time i heard of it

[storm garnet]

belt speed, it's a bug since 1.0

you probably noticed the machines clogging all the time

[valid fox]

[vast iron]

yeah but clogging doesnt really affect rates especially for a source facility, and ive never had this issue either sooo

[storm garnet]

if you get extra belts, it fixes it mostly

[vast iron]

extra belts is just ratio change

[sonic summit]

can you go that zip?

[vast iron]

unless you mean priority output interaction

[storm garnet]

not ratioing with belts, i mean same ratio but more belts

[vast iron]

can you send an img?

[storm garnet]

so the belts aren't at the max of 30/min

[valid fox]

Yessir, lemme mark it properly on the map since I autoed the one for poopmaxing when I go in to the depot zipline

[vast iron]

well thats normal? if you have multiple belts the farm cant keep up..?

[storm garnet]

it's simple, just imagine 2 belts from machine to machine instead of 1

[valid fox]

Wuling express delivery

[grand wren]

looks much better now

[vast iron]

yeah obv if you output more than the farm produces it cant keep up

[sonic summit]

TBH mine goes this way its 1 way after that

[valid fox]

109m gaming

[vast iron]

wuling farms can supply 2 but valley only 1

[storm garnet]

this is what i mean

for planters and seeders, you get 2 when there is 1, and 4 when there is 2

[vast iron]

obviously a single shredder with a 1-> 1 recipe cant supply 2 belts at 30/min

it only makes 30/min so it cant output 60/min worth of belts like ???

how is this a bug

[vast iron]

oh god my eyes

[storm garnet]

oh my god, the bug is that belts don't go at 30/min speed while offline

they get less speed

[valid fox]

So your plan is to compensate for the belt slowdown by doubling the transfer rate from shredder to whatever is needed.

[storm garnet]

so you get an extra belt for extra speed so you reach 30 again

yep

[vast iron]

thats not a thing i have every facility running with 1 belt and no issues

[storm garnet]

this is what i have on xiranite atm in the main aic

[vale topaz]

my route, need to walk a bit to depot and entry to city via main city stairs

[storm garnet]

with this current setup on my last pic, my wuling plant shredder gets down to 0 plants while offline after a while

[jovial breach]

can someone share me some turrets in qingbo, im asia

[storm garnet]

it also happened for sandleaf powder before i fixed it, and with other things too

now i need to get double belts for the wuling planters too

then hopefully i'm done

[vast iron]

thats obvious?? youre inputting 30/min yazhen for 30/min powder
youre outputting 90/min from belts so it obviously drians

[vast iron]

wuling planters are 1-> 2 thats normal

[sonic summit]

you can do this to make 1 zipline route for entering city and grabbing rare site yknow?

[vast iron]

valley planters are all 1-> 1

[storm garnet]

do you understand that you can't output 90 from a machine that makes 60?

[valid fox]

Then how do we explain me leaving a reactor crucible at 50 yazhen powder, go offline for a couple of hours and I return to 30 powder in the crucible? The shredder going into the crucible is at 50 plants 50 yazhen powder inside cause it's naturally overproducing yazhen powder.

[vast iron]

you realize thats exactly what youre doing

[vast iron]

wrong bug bro, crucible is fixed

[storm garnet]

i dont even know how to explain this anymore

[valid fox]

What's crucible sewage bug got to do with the fact my crucible has gotten less powder in it than it should?

[vast iron]

because theres no explaining unecessarybelt usage

[vast iron]

sewage bug isnt actually a sewage bug, its a general crucible bug where sometimes it consumes items without producing the output

but thats fixed now

[storm garnet]

then explain to me why it worked, cause it did

[valid fox]

Even if it does, the powder should've stayed at 50, but it got reduced, which means either the powder got expended faster than 30 per minute, or the crucible got powder at a rate lower than 30 per minute.

[vale topaz]

tried it, cost same zip line, but easier at main stairs

[vast iron]

explain to me why it works without me doing any of it

[storm garnet]

let me show you how my grinders looked like before i fixed sandleaf powder being just 1 belt:

after i put in 1.5 belts, it got fixed

this one is cause of extra input though, since sandleaf is 90/min

[sonic summit]

can i see your main stair path to technological production office

[storm garnet]

the best way to do it is to just do an extra wuling plant powder loop tbh

[vale topaz]

owh the farm ? its via city outskirt, not from fangyioffice

[vast iron]

funny you say that cuz your sandleaf is literally clogging

[storm garnet]

yea, for extra reassurance. tbh, that was a bad example, i should have used the refiner after the grinder

it was the same way

and it got fixed

also, for the grinder itself, the carbon powder got fixed with 3 belts for the refiners before it

[vast iron]

you should just put a small buffer in your grinder and use 2 belts, then check if it has decreased
your current setup looks like it works because its increasing, but increasing just means youre inputting more than you use

[sonic summit]

mine is like this just go to 1 path for 3 exit and just press e

[storm garnet]

can you tell me how i'm making more carbon powder than i should?

[vast iron]

3 belt carbon is 90/min. it makes 60/min which is 2 belts, is that hard to understand? i mean look at your belts you have 2 running at 2/3 and 1 running at 1/3 (for jincao powder)

[vast iron]

your grinder is literally on 50

[somber snow]

wtf, 3 belts of carbon powder

[storm garnet]

cause i fixed it, it went down every time when it was 2 belts

[vast iron]

im getting a stroke help me

[valid fox]

There's also this that I can't explain with anything other than belts slowdown while offline. I have all the materials necessary to unload into the very simple production line, yet my graph goes down when offline.

[vast iron]

[small creek]

[vale topaz]

wait, why 38 zip line, mine is 31 x_X

[storm garnet]

can we please agree that 3 belts are needed IF belt speed bug exists?

[vast iron]

there is no speed bug

youre delusional

[somber snow]

by belt speed bug, u mean offline belt delay?

or am i tweaking

[storm garnet]

ok, you can't even agree on an IF, i can't talk with you anymore

[small creek]

there is in fact offline belt delay

[vast iron]

belt delay doesnt slow down how many each belt moves per second

[somber snow]

nah, im tweaking it good

[storm garnet]

yes

[somber snow]

oh

[small creek]

it killed my v4 factory once

[somber snow]

just use logistics, itll fix the issue

[valid fox]

Then why is my cuprium component 1 day graph like this in a very simple production line?

[storm garnet]

i do?

[valid fox]

There's something going on when we go offline

[vast iron]

rounding

[small creek]

it still has slow iirc

[valid fox]

Why does it ever go below 6 per minute when it sticks to 6 per minute perfectly while I'm online?

[somber snow]

huh

nvm then

[small creek]

my base required absolute precision, no slow, so it still died

[vast iron]

1 day ago right? the sewage bug was fixed recently so might still be old data

[storm garnet]

maybe he got like that cause i called the bug "belt speed bug"?

[vast iron]

or not updated

[small creek]

theres just a lot of conceps in this game with redundant terms

[storm garnet]

it's not necessarily the speed of the belt itself, it's probably input and output delay

[valid fox]

What sewage bug, the component line here is pulling refined cuprium and xiranite, both of which are plentiful in my storage

[somber snow]

it was mainly becuz u're inefficient with ur resources,
the term isnt a big issue

[vast iron]

is your storage still full?

and/or not empty

[sonic summit]

mine got 2 for going to farm from aic, 5 for farming daily burden beast dug, and 2 for ilegal zipline that i didnt use but too lazy to remove

[storm garnet]

how am i inefficient apart from the sandleaf?

[vast iron]

logistics space is a resource

[storm garnet]

i brought up the sandleaf as an example first, it was a bad example, but carbon powder should be a good example

[vast iron]

and space in general ig

[valid fox]

It's full of xiranite (orbiting around 57995 xiranite) and has about 1800 refined cuprium

[somber snow]

r u getting 3 belts of carbon powder from 1 shredder, or 2 shredders?

[storm garnet]

dude, we are in 1.1, space is not an issue

and we'll probably get a new sub pac in 1.2

[small creek]

it almost is tbh

[vale topaz]

owh, i didn't do fertilizer component.
also walk to farm area from aic since it is close

[storm garnet]

you think i love wasting space? i'm doing this to avoid bugs

[small creek]

if u wanna be power efficient, you have to put everything in the main AIC

[storm garnet]

not really

[somber snow]

space is an issue for ppl who like to cram everything in main AIC

[small creek]

splitting components for example to subpac uses more facs, and therefore power

[storm garnet]

how?

[small creek]

absolutely not true

there are a couple designs that use less power when integrated

[vast iron]

mainly the fact using extra belts takes a fuckton of logistics since each 1 length belt, splitter and extra belt bridge is a facility

[storm garnet]

ok, tell me which ones

[small creek]

example:
#1483729943958388796
#1483752511557992458

you can even integrate xircon and meds

to save 50 more power

[sonic summit]

except gearing and dige i do all in main aic

[vast iron]

excess sandleaf from battery and xiranite can be incorporated
yazhen a and c can share crucibles with xircon

[vale topaz]

crucible sewage bug.
during online the crucible does correct 1:1 sewage and liquid xiranite , during offline every now and then, that liquid xiranite was gone.
which made sewage piling up to the point of clogging both the crucible and cuprium refinery

[somber snow]

SC wuling bats can be isolated,
but everything else being put in 1 place saves energy,
this is true, if im not wrong

[storm garnet]

you guys talk as if i'm making 1 item per sub pac and i had unlimited sub pacs

[small creek]

6/min SCW and 120/min xiranite is better to integrate

[vast iron]

no since you can use the 1 extra sandleaf from 120 xiranite to save planters

[storm garnet]

i just have an extra sandleaf loop, that's it

i can live with that if it means it works at 100%

[somber snow]

true

[small creek]

and then the other 6/min SCW (specifically xircon part) can integrate with meds

[valid fox]

Hmm now that you mention yeah I did see my conduits get filled up with sewage. Either way, the component situation there was not affected by it.

[small creek]

so no its generally not power efficient to isolate SCW

[vast iron]

i mean have you seen visual proof (graph number going down) when you dont do it? because if the issue was big enough to be noticeable we would be hearing about this more often

[sonic summit]

soo when buffering should i stock up sewage from cuprium or should i empty my buffering instead? i water treatment the xircon sewage btw

[small creek]

bro u asked for examples of power efficiency and i gave them

as rebuttal to your claim that "space is not issue"

[somber snow]

well, not everyone wants to be super power efficient to the point where,
theyd have to treat this as a school subject,

as long as their wuling is under 3.5k. good enough,
like this guy

[small creek]

i am just answering

[vale topaz]

today the crucible bug is fixed, so even offline both sewage and liquid xiranite remain 1:1
for random component reduced by 1 if you pull 1d graphic, that's remain a bug.
a very odd one.

[storm garnet]

i asked about what you mean about energy in what i was talking about

[valid fox]

Whatever it is, I can point it out in my simple component line while I'm offline with enough materials to supply it all, yet I dip below 6 per minute in my 1 day graph. Sure, the production might be 5.95 per minute and the graph marks it as 5, but something is going on when offline either way.

[storm garnet]

i didn't ask about full bps for the whole factory

[small creek]

no one ever said anything abt full bps

[storm garnet]

you literally linked them to me

[small creek]

im talking about integrating designs to save energy, at the cost of putting everything there

[vale topaz]

i didn't do backfeed, so my xircon line has 3 water treatment.
feed sewage via 2 cuprium refinery.

[small creek]

what is this if not asking

bruh

its not even full bp

[storm garnet]

that's just obvious, that's like talking about using less unloaders and loaders

[storm garnet]

you did reply me with full bps, instead of talking about specific things

[small creek]

dude read the title

[storm garnet]

hello

[small creek]

oh my god

[somber snow]

i lost track,
what r we talking about

[storm garnet]

and?

[small creek]

and what

[vast iron]

sorry, its just more convenient to send a blueprint reference with an explanation inside than type out everything

[valid fox]

Been online for 3 hours now and the 2h graph is as flat as it gets. I go offline, I can expect dips.

[small creek]

the post even answers your "specific questions"

[storm garnet]

you expect me to read all that just to find a very specific thing

when you can just give 1 simple example in 1 phrase

[small creek]

no because the title alone is sufficient

dude

the example is the title

[sonic summit]

... i read this i think qyuri is the right here like you didnt specify the question

[small creek]

the bp is whatever

[potent glen]

with a bit of rejigging it now works properly in the same footprint

[vast iron]

bro the post is entirely about that specific thing did you even go in and look

[storm garnet]

i guess that was my problem

[vale topaz]

before the fix, i'm using liquid tank between cuprium refinery and crucible.
after +/- 20 hours, it would be filled with +/- 300 sewage unit, have to install water treatment and pipe separator to clean up the sewage before deactivating water treatment again and cut off pipe to water treatment.

[vast iron]

its literally like the top line of the blueprint

[small creek]

if you read the title, the answer to your "ok what designs can be integrated" is

[tired sundial]

is jincao tea actually untradable

[small creek]

its literally the title

[vast iron]

not yet

[somber snow]

apparently so,
maybe itll be available in the next subpac

[storm garnet]

ok, i think i'm in fault here, cause i was assumming many things

[valid fox]

I just hope that the production is realistically 5.90 per minute or something of the sort. Graph makes it look like a horror movie but it probably isn't, because my xiranite, xircon, cuprium 1d production numbers show only 1 lower than max.

[storm garnet]

like, of course you put many things together to save many things

it was too obvious, but at the same time i could still do it with the space we have and have a lot of extra space anyways

[small creek]

if you have questions abt what specific parts i integrated, you can ask and id be happy to answer

[vast iron]

you can look at stuff like the cuprium component usage to know how much youre actually missing, no?

since thats on 90 so more precise

[small creek]

but that was not the original scope

[vale topaz]

if your xiranite goes into warehouse 1st before being used by other line and the amount at warehouse remain stale, should be ok.
yeah, horror is correct term because at this point of the game, cannot overfeed xiranite into warehouse.
while valley4, everything can be overfeed.

[storm garnet]

my question tbh was what did that matter for space cause for me there is more than enough space

[rose rampart]

So Im wondering is there a loop for stuff like Reed Rye Seed and or Tartpepper seed and can plant how many u want? Or do u have to use the farm to plant them

[storm garnet]

there were some misunderstandings here

[small creek]

there is more than enough space is you use the subpac

but it is not power efficient to do so

[vale topaz]

nope, manual farm or run around the map manual picking.

[small creek]

putting everything in the main aic is a real challenge

[sonic summit]

for me i just do 4 cuprium to a buffering zone and then use each conduit intlet outlet for some 1k extra fluid tank

[storm garnet]

ok, there is the question, how is not efficient to use the sub pac

[rose rampart]

Damn x3

[small creek]

because you cannot integrate the designs

[storm garnet]

i have all dense originium in my sub pac

how is that not efficient

[small creek]

uses more facs

[storm garnet]

howwww

[small creek]

okay lets take xircon and meds for example

[sonic summit]

so i have 1,5 k buffers that chared to each conduit for extra 1k per conduit

[small creek]

i can have separate crucibles for yazhen solution and liquid xiranite

but i chose to make both with in 1 crucible

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove I just tested this new overflow buffer and it worked

[small creek]

so i can cut a crucible, saving me 50 power

[storm garnet]

that's not my question, my question is dense originium in specific

[valid fox]

You mean cuprium part, well now I was online for too long and it all got corrected to max values, but basically all was showing 1 number lower than the max, should mean marginal reduction in production and usage, probably less than 1 unit but game doesn't show decimal places for these things.

[vale topaz]

personally, really hate in/outlet for sewage : /
specially when the design is not final.
so frustrating having to re-connect them again.

[small creek]

well with dense originium its the sandleaf

[storm garnet]

i make the sandleaf in the main one

[small creek]

a standalone SCW batt design makes too much sandleaf

[thorn pike]

im tired of s*ndleaf

[vast iron]

yeah, thats realistic

[storm garnet]

you will get extra sandleaf powder no matter what

[wispy grove]

But the crucible is already patched tho

[small creek]

the thing is

[sonic summit]

eh where the patch notes?

[small creek]

you can put the extra sandleaf in xiranite instead

[valid fox]

I just took 1k xiranite and transferred it to Valley so it doesn't overflow in storage. Will see if anything changes now.

[dark furnace]

it's for buffering the sewage in the crucible in case it affects the production

[small creek]

so you dont have to use extra planter seeder shredder etc for a separate xiranite design

[sonic summit]

yeah 2 sandleaf powder can go for 1 stable carbon

[wispy grove]

Okiee

[storm garnet]

i'll be honest, that's a good point, but i can still do that with having dense originium in my sub and the sandleaf itself in my main, then divert some sandleaf to xiranite

[small creek]

well, you can i suppose

its just easier to integrate imo since you can see everything

[wispy grove]

Can you show me the whole factory chain

[small creek]

the 1 powder going to the SCW, the 2 extra going to xiranite

[storm garnet]

well, of course, having everything in the main pac means you don't need to go to the sub to check anything

[dark furnace]

though they didn't specific what fluctuation it is

[storm garnet]

but using the sub let's you have extra space on the main

[dark furnace]

it could be just meaning the sudden dip

[sonic summit]

so the bug is now only "caught lacking when offline" belt ?

[wispy grove]

Sad

[dark furnace]

but not the 3/500 tax issue

[small creek]

yes, and thats why my assumption was "if you put everything in the main AIC, space is a real issue"

[wispy grove]

Still needs testing tho

[tawny bear]

I have a sandleaf planter for every forge and reroute the extra sandleaf to the depot for sc batteriez

[storm garnet]

so, in the end, space is not an issue, it's just that you want to not use the sub space

[dark furnace]

they didn't mention belt bug

[tawny bear]

it does wonders I tell ya

[small creek]

if you choose to make the dense originium in the subpac, then that alleviates the space issue a lot

[dark furnace]

[valid fox]

So my working theory is, facilities are getting marginally less resources via belts while offline, which then leads to the 2h and 1 day graph showing small dips because at one moment they recorded the production to be 1 less than max. And instead of showing a production of 5.95, it will show just a plain 5, giving the illusion of production slipping from 6 to 5 per minute which would be a pretty bad dip. But instead it's a very marginal reduction.

[small creek]

if you use the subpac, theres obviously no space issue

[tawny bear]

me personally I think having the cuprium and xircon in the subpac leaves a lot of space in the aic :v

[small creek]

fwiw i have said that at the very start lol

[storm garnet]

so, any space issue is basically aesthetics

[wispy grove]

You need proof of the belt bug

[storm garnet]

at least for this patch

[wispy grove]

Using controled experiment

[small creek]

aesthetics and ease of use

some ppl dont wanna visit subpac

want everything in one place

lazy ahh

[vast iron]

thats pretty easy ngl

[wispy grove]

The crucible tax has a good controlled experiment

[storm garnet]

dense originium works fine and there is not need to ever check it tbh

[tawny bear]

true pioneers cram an everything factory in their pockets

[small creek]

yeah

[tawny bear]

I wonder if anyone made MAM blueprints

[vast iron]

if there is a belt bug it should mainly affect longer chains anyways

[small creek]

dense originium can do its own thing for the most part

[storm garnet]

i think one of the things that made me get 2 xiranite lines on the sub is to avoid extra protocol stashes. i use 0 stashes atm, aside for the emergency energy setup.

[tawny bear]

am using SO many stashes :v

[small creek]

i use a singular stash

[valid fox]

@wispy grove I don't know how else to explain this situation. There are enough resources in the depot for this production to be sustained. I came back to materials being at about the same level as when I left (not that I recorded exactly how much I had). Yet, my production is fluctuating from 6/min to lower than that.

[tawny bear]

they're super conveneint

[small creek]

everything else is depot loader

[tawny bear]

the extra space is also great

[storm garnet]

i could probably put the xiranite in main if i brute force it, even with 0 stashes

[wispy grove]

Try it again but dont use bridge

Just direct it to the gearing unit

[valid fox]

You think bridges cause problems offline?

[small creek]

they also slow from what i heard

[wispy grove]

You can see that if you try

Remove the bridge

[storm garnet]

i act as if all convergers, splitters and bridges are bugged and use as little as possible and 1 tile away from machines if possible

[wispy grove]

Then go offline for like an hour maybe

[valid fox]

Alright I'll give it a shot.
Rip space optimization though

[small creek]

the bad splitters are pretty goated

[storm garnet]

splitters should be mostly ok though i think

[vast iron]

converger and splitter behavior are beyond weird i wouldnt be surprised
bridge has less issues but im not sure

[small creek]

when do we talk about item control port

[vast iron]

never

[small creek]

lmao

[tawny bear]

I wanna make factory puzzles like in shapez.io

[vast iron]

no one actually uses them like

[small creek]

you know, item control port even causes slow WHILE youre online

tested this a few days ago, fkn crazy

[valid fox]

Item control port but only if we could actually set it at a daily repeating value or something.

[storm garnet]

that's like 10 times worse

[lusty violet]

belts and item control ports are slower offline
converger/splitter/bridges aren't slower offline

[somber snow]

so i was right about the logistics

[tawny bear]

item control ports are funny cuz u can just look at ur conveyors if smths wrong

[storm garnet]

what are you saying!!!! belts slow offline???????

[lusty violet]

belts are ~0.3% slower, item control ports are ~0.5

[vast iron]

easy way to test ngl

[storm garnet]

fake news!!!!!!!!!!

[lusty violet]

[tawny bear]

ferrium in a shredder only makes one ferrium powder .w.

[vast iron]

nah it loops

powder can be refined into ferrium

[storm garnet]

i didn't have that recipe lol

[tawny bear]

ohhh it's one o those infinite loop machines

[vast iron]

its hidden i think

not sure

[valid fox]

Yeah you gotta discover some on your own by doing them first

[tawny bear]

is probably one of em recipes u gotta discover, like sewage bottles

[vast iron]

well the bottom shredder has 10-11 as of rn

[dark furnace]

all recipt won't be available until you make it once

[wispy grove]

Only the upper crucibles get the benefit of the treatment plants

[vast iron]

if i come back tmrw and its lower then its proven

simple as that

[sonic summit]

belt are slower offline my dige stop working because i use belt

[storm garnet]

every 3 days i discover a new recipe i missed

[dark furnace]

that's where I was wrong. Apparently there's a priority for converger too

[storm garnet]

damn, so many liars today

[tawny bear]

the neat thing about having compact factories is that the rate at which production is slowed is very minimal cuz my conveyors are like one tile :v

[sonic summit]

is belt bridge also slower?

[vast iron]

ah yes, replace everything with belt bridges to speed up your factory ! ! ! !

[valid fox]

So, replace all belts with convergers and bridges, got it.

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove so when there's larger input from the right side, they push away the left and middle side

[tawny bear]

belt bridges count as protocols I think =3=

[lusty violet]

no, bridges are same as splitters/convergers

[dark furnace]

while for spliter it's left > middle > right

[storm garnet]

remember to put convergers at the first tile in the output for extra efficiency

[sonic summit]

i need some space for my cuprium refineries to output 5,75 syringe a tbh

[wispy grove]

imma help yah on the pipings later. Ill be back maybe 8hrs

[lusty violet]

yea, if you do this there won't be offline dips

[valid fox]

Have you done this?

[storm garnet]

wait, mmm, does amethyst powder convert to fiber too...

[lusty violet]

i've done it for hc v4 bat

[vast iron]

wait, thatl make priority outputs...

dont do that...

[valid fox]

But isn't valley 4 worthless now

[lusty violet]

yes

[storm garnet]

damn

[storm garnet]

that's the joke

[wispy grove]

Does aggeloi ore makes yazhen B?

[somber snow]

nah, v4 aint worthless,
i can use HC bats to start up a new factory in a new region,
for only like, 2 weeks, then i stop

[valid fox]

It's not surprising they created backwards compatibility, after all we have an entire facility dedicated to separating a fluid and bottle.

[storm garnet]

is there something with steel too

[vast iron]

i dont think theres steel dust

[storm garnet]

i already had the originium one

but maybe something similar

[vast iron]

maybe origocrust?

into origocrust dust

[storm garnet]

yea, that's the other one

the og

[vast iron]

maybe cuprium

[storm garnet]

that one i somehow got it like 2? weeks ago i think lol

[tawny bear]

now all we need is a facility that returns processed materials back into ores

[vast iron]

since there cuprium dust

[storm garnet]

right

[wispy grove]

Once the new region start, only 2 factory regions can be active. It means either wuling or V4 will momentarily shut down while playing the 3rd region

[valid fox]

For only 2 weeks? Weak, you must power your entire Wuling with Valley batteries, show the dominance of the UWST practicality over some fancy shiny xiranite batteries.

[storm garnet]

nope

[wispy grove]

I dont know where i got that info i saw it on yt guides

[tawny bear]

everything in wuling is powered by a single thermal back for mii

[valid fox]

All factories will work while you're online (the calculations will be done on your device) but the AIC facility in the last visited area (Valley IV or Wuling) will shut down once you turn off the game.

[tawny bear]

you can cram a lot in 3.4k power

[wispy grove]

What i mean is shut down totally, like it wont run so no more production within that region

[vast iron]

nope

ze ro

[storm garnet]

i wonder if the play will be to just remove all factories in v4 so they don't use that much of your device power

[tawny bear]

what are ye, mad?

[valid fox]

Afaik all factories in all areas will run while you are in-game

[tawny bear]

you dare halt the growth of the factory

[wispy grove]

W8 i need my sauce

[valid fox]

It's just the auto stuff when offline will work in 2 areas only, the current one of that patch and the most recently visited one

[vast iron]

im surprised they didnt just calculate the rates theoretically when offline...

[wispy grove]

Its hard to explain

[vast iron]

tho that probably leads to exploits

[tawny bear]

yooouu arreee nooo pioneeerr

[vast iron]

afk meta oh noe

[storm garnet]

new mail

[valid fox]

My Valley bills!!!

[storm garnet]

i was thinking all day it was monday...

[quasi locust]

got you covered

[tawny bear]

if it helps its gonna be monday in 4 hours where I live

[storm garnet]

i guess i need to tone down my grumpiness to sunday levels now

[lusty violet]

wdym, it is monday, dont u have work?

[valid fox]

It's just simple calculations, I bet 2 seconds of walking on stairs in-game takes more power than the AIC calculations of Valley IV

[storm garnet]

lol work eksdee

[valid fox]

There you go, auto-management

[wispy grove]

Thank you brotha

[valid fox]

Meaning, when offline

[storm garnet]

i'm a manchild

[storm garnet]

idk, the final boss of factory games is calculation optimization

this game is small compared to normal factory games, but still

[valid fox]

It's just a bunch of simple formulas as of now.

[wispy grove]

If we have 10 regions. Valley4 is dead

[storm garnet]

depends on the game optimization too

[valid fox]

Though seeing how belts get screwed while offline...

I might be talking out of my ass tbh

[storm garnet]

so far, we know server optimization is bad at least

[vast iron]

im surprised they even calculate belts offline

[storm garnet]

so client optimization is not something i'm expecting to be great

[vast iron]

just make them move to connected facilities or smt idk man

[storm garnet]

at least graphics are optimized kinda

[vast iron]

graphic load is relatively low

[wispy grove]

We need a whole ahh terabite storage just for calculation if you wanna make 10 regional factories active simultaneously

[storm garnet]

yea, idk why they didn't just make things theorical for offline

[valid fox]

Either way they do this because they don't want their servers to be overloaded with calculations, and there's also the 7 day limit when all your factories will go offline.

(though realistically you will overcap your storage long before that so who cares lol)

[storm garnet]

like, calculate how much the factory would make when you log in based on the time you were offline

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove oh nvm my brain farted

[storm garnet]

but i guess that imperfect factories need more calculations, so they did it like this

[vast iron]

i mean if you look at factorys "theoretical" yield its kinda out there but the formula for theoretical is too simple if it was more complex probably doable

[wispy grove]

Even factory blueprints will get overloaded

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[dark furnace]

I see the problem with the bottom overflow now

I tested it by clogged it intentionally

and they never drop

in the cuprium

[jovial breach]

@small creek 40s if you count from mission start

[dark furnace]

however it's interesting to find that when I clogged the cuprium intentionally, the cuprium to crucible became 1:1 despite it was supposed to merge the xircon's 0.5/s sewage

[wispy grove]

Please dont make me open my game in the middle of the night

[vast iron]

only issue is whether or not the game can account for edge cases with theoretical calculations like overflow, storage and deficits
we can just give up on complex things like dige or converger prio tho

[dark furnace]

turns out the converger prioritise right ove left input when the pipe is full

[small creek]

this looks so stupid lol

i love it

[vast iron]

power of friendship is real

[dark furnace]

because if the converger merch equally, I should see the cuprium refiners pile up sewage

but no, it didn't happen

[valid fox]

I didn't have dige destroy my power overnight so far

[wispy grove]

Unless the convergers itself is clogged

[vast iron]

belt convergers hold items, idk if thats the case for fluid

[dark furnace]

regardless, the converger is supposed to merch one by one, but the xircon sewages didn't squeeze into the pipe toward the crucible

the sewage inside the cuprium stayed the same over 3 mins

(I set it to 20)

I don't know how it works offline though

[quasi locust]

wow it's the shared facilities strat is the new flamethrower + sentry faster than surge + sentry?