aic-factory

[subtle finch]

yes

[lunar abyss]

was using that before I figured that two depo outputs should in theory achieve the same

but at the end of the day it should not matter if the bottle line gets clogged the part line will just balance out

[subtle finch]

true

[lunar abyss]

it's just frustrating

I am sure this wasn't a thing last version

stuff like this didn't happen

[sleek ibex]

what are you guys doing with the excess 30/min ferrium ores in wuling(if you are doing the 12/m t2 batts n 6/m t2 meds) ?

[subtle finch]

2.75/min t1 meds with metastorage

[nova lodge]

filling up H20 ferrium bottles :3

[sleek ibex]

i should this

[sleek ibex]

water

[nova lodge]

[solid python]

1/min HC batteries

[dark furnace]

just logged in to show how I do 55/m ferrium if you metatransfer ferrium

does apply if you only have 30/m tho

[sleek ibex]

[lunar abyss]

I am basically doing the same thing now but without the refining part lol

[waxen linden]

Thanks a lot it worked

[dark furnace]

yea

[lunar abyss]

also sorry for pinging again could you show me this?

[subtle finch]

it's probably easier if you show your production

[nova lodge]

thankie, will use this later once i have max out H20 Bottles :3

[dark furnace]

you can either

• backfeed the sewage from xircon crucible + 2 cuprium refiner, or
• add an overflow valve to crucible input, so excess sewage goes to treatment

[lunar abyss]

that's an overflow valve? does it have a limit or will it only treat when overflowing?

[dark furnace]

backfeed the sewage from xircon crucibles and 2 cuprium refiners work because xircon crucible is underperforming thanks to the crucible bug (which is also the reason why your cuprium gets clogged), feeding 1.99/s sewage make sure your xircon eff crucible won't get clogged

while you treatment the other 2 cuprium refiner sewage

[hardy drum]

crucible bug?

[uneven aspen]

this takes advantage of the converger acting strange if placed at the depot loader?

[dark furnace]

@lunar abyss either method works, I personally prefer overflow that can buffer the sewage in my xircon eff crucibles, and I like module builds so I built this

[hardy drum]

ah the offline tax

[lunar abyss]

I have 4 sets of this and 0 xiranite and cuprium in depot

in theory when I start cuprium gear production both outputs should get throttled by the same amount but cuprium alwys manages to clog up eventually

I guess it'll clog without gear production too

[lunar abyss]

the fluid tank is the result of me throwing in the towel

[dark furnace]

the right unloader with spliter is spliting 1/6 ferrium (5/m) to the left unloader. The left unloader will try to squeeze in the ferrium so it delayed it's own input from 30/m to 25/m, but after merging, the left refiner receive 30/m, while the right refiner is left with 5/6 ferrium (25/m)

so total 55/m

[lunar abyss]

so I understand that this isn't an overflow valve it's just throttling your output to 1.99/s when it's not overflowing?

I guess that's worth

don't want to redo my base tho for now

[subtle finch]

I do more factory than gacha, sooner they need to release a waifu aic facility if they want me to spend

[dark furnace]

the one I am using pump more than 2/s to the crucible until they are clogged, then overflow back to the treatments

[dark furnace]

gacha machines

with 200% efficiency

[lunar abyss]

I mean the game quite literally has nothing that could stand upto a half decent team lol

I quite literally have to switch to level 1 weapons to practice rotations

even then rhodagn manages to trigger his phase sometimes

[tight smelt]

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[lunar abyss]

the game should let you pollute the environment 😔

[tight smelt]

like a real factory

[lunar abyss]

but instead it forces you to clean up for a chest

[tight smelt]

immersion crumbled into dust

[lunar abyss]

i hope at least one guy has filled the 40k hole with xiranite

[nova lodge]

immersion -100, bad game

[dark furnace]

there was

tbf 40k liquid xiranite wouldnt take long to make even back when we could only place 2 forges

[lunar abyss]

I filled the 45 hole with xiranite the lighting engine is having a bad day

[tight smelt]

I've had that small hole filled with xiranite a day after I got access to it

I also saw a video of someone filling the 40k hole with xiranite but I wanted to wait for something worse to be added to fill it with

I guess having a pipeline of radioactive waste going through wuling will have to suffice for now

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

i wake up too early

[nova lodge]

go sleb

[wispy grove]

nah

time to open my factory

lemme see how much sewage i got after 6 and 1/2 hr

[nova lodge]

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

not a single sewage build up another win for my swastika flow

i mean anti sewage flow

why did u delete bro?

[acoustic canyon]

i figured out my problem lmao

[wispy grove]

ohhh okeee

[acoustic canyon]

it looked connected but pipes weren't connected

[hardy drum]

Is there a way to easily empty a reactor crucible

[acoustic canyon]

cos of steepness things

[acoustic canyon]

if you dont care whats in it just stash xd

[hardy drum]

Oh true

[wispy grove]

[fathom yacht]

Is there a way to increase wuling storage > 8000?

[nova lodge]

upragde your wulling depot.

[fathom yacht]

That's what it was. Forgot what I did in V4 haha

[acoustic canyon]

can you conduit connect while on ziplines

trying to figure out how to connect these two with a water conduit

[nova lodge]

nope

[wispy grove]

start from the left

[nova lodge]

not sure if you can connect conduit with teleport though....like ehe....relay towers ;3

[acoustic canyon]

wait you can do that?

[wispy grove]

[fervent spoke]

yeah you can

[nova lodge]

☝️

[wispy grove]

just start from the left then teleport to the right

[acoustic canyon]

is that only in wuling or both

[fervent spoke]

did it here

[nova lodge]

for conduits, wulling only.
normal relay towers is everywhere.

[acoustic canyon]

HOLY gamechanger

[fervent spoke]

also that just reminded me to do the tower defence XD

[wispy grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757438124791038052/1349249939934285946/image0-ezgif.com-rotate.gif

[nova lodge]

since there is nothing much to do (and i don't wanna deal with headache inducing offline tax)
maybe dealing with the mining rigs and changing them to hydro mines would be the next best thing :3

[wispy grove]

my swas- i mean my anti sewage flow will help u see an unclogged crucible but for the fluctuations? well, dont mind it

[subtle finch]

do this next, it saves more power for less effort

[wispy grove]

[nova lodge]

more like i have insufficient sewage pumping in during offline hours.
sewage got taxed instead
nothing clogged though.

[fervent spoke]

that leads to spaghetti

[subtle finch]

it does indeed

[iron stratus]

yeah im stealing this

[nova lodge]

my eyes!

[subtle finch]

sometimes, there's beauty in chaos

[wispy grove]

why is no one trying my anti sewage flow you will see 0 numbers inside crucibles if they use it

[fervent spoke]

more spaghetti

[nova lodge]

i am certain someone is using it already

[fervent spoke]

XD i use the extra slot to pass cubes through

[wispy grove]

this one looks clogged

[subtle finch]

i'm planning a similar design in the future, this would look good symmetrical

[acoustic canyon]

is there a way to connect these two so you can use 2 fluid pumps across the whole area

[ruby sorrel]

does passthrough get taxed?

[fervent spoke]

its not at all :x

[wispy grove]

bro use only 4 cubes

[fervent spoke]

more spaghetti less clog from offline XD

[wispy grove]

4 is enough to clog the cubes(lack of xircon)

[subtle finch]

that's a good question . no one has tested, but i use passthrough and balance is maintained.
my guess is no

you can leave water looping in crucible, if that's gone when you return online, then it is

[wispy grove]

i think the tax only happens during the production process

[nova lodge]

imagine fixing crucible tax only for all splitters, convergers and bridges to get taxed later

[ruby sorrel]

I think the reason I never noticed all this offline jank before is cus this is the first time I'm putting stuff in depot before taking them out to use again

all my xiranite is backing up in everything cus I'm taking it from depot instead of forges now

[wispy grove]

because if thats the case i should be experiencing lack of xiranite liquid on my crucible 4

but i can confidently say that bridges within the xiranite belts delays the belts enough to speed up the sewage build up

[fervent spoke]

definetly have slight clogs with sewage my cuprium is draining slowly like like 1-20 per day

[wispy grove]

wanna try my swas- i mean anti sewage flow?

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[fervent spoke]

the weird thing is all my cuprium refineries are at 0 sewage :x

[wispy grove]

[subtle finch]

that's what you want

[delicate seal]

Can you help me? I have this setup, but when I am offline slowly the 4 refiner piles up the cuprium and I don't know why.

[obtuse raven]

Noticed another thing. For some reason seems like my factory is producing more cuprium parts and bottles that are being consumed while offline and it leads to overflow that end up clogging cuprium refineries and Sewage underproduction 🫠

[wispy grove]

blame splitters

[obtuse raven]

There must be something wrong going on with the game's internal clock

[delicate seal]

What is wrong with the splitters?

[wispy grove]

your crucible ate your yazhen solution

[vast iron]

known bug

[wispy grove]

is it interconnected to your yazhen factory or nah??

[obtuse raven]

So at the end it all ends up being another problem with the crucibles...

[wispy grove]

yes when offline

[vast iron]

crucibles have issues when offline

and no one knows why

[wispy grove]

theres so many factors

[vast iron]

well no way to fix it

[wispy grove]

lemme list realquick

[vast iron]

besides on accident

[subtle finch]

what are you doing first with those splitters? what split ratio are you trying to make for that component

[wispy grove]

1. crucible tax
2. slow belts
3. slower belts when pass through convergers,splitters, bridges

[obtuse raven]

Dk why I thought xircon production bug was isolated instead of looking at the grand picture of a crucible bug

[vast iron]

slower belts shouldnt be an issue here i noticed they have a buffer between splitters and convergers

well not in a way that slows down the main entry belt

[wispy grove]

the slow belts is kinda miniscule compared to crucible tax

[delicate seal]

I am trying to feed the Cuprium Gearing unit with 7,5/min Cuprium part while evenly giving cuprium to the other Fitting and moding unit

[vast iron]

slow belts dont exactly "affect" rates

[obtuse raven]

Yeah, my main factory in V4 has many bridges and splitter but there I don't suffer from any visible bug

[vast iron]

the main culprit is crucibles.

[viscid plover]

Me and my neighbour dog hates crucible

[outer basin]

Friends don't let friends use crucibles

[vast iron]

me and my bros all hate on crucibles

[obtuse raven]

Still, I find it strange to be because of the crucibles because I am basically feeding the machine 60 yazheen solution from two different crucibles. Is that big of a tax?

[vast iron]

60????????

what the fuc

ok nah

[wispy grove]

[obtuse raven]

I mean, the shredder gives me 60 powder, I am gonna use it all🙃

[wispy grove]

that will only clog tho

cause production still do 1 per 2 secs

[subtle finch]

with weird split like that, you will be producing more sewage.
because you are running cuprium at 100%, while those crucibles are not at 100%, you need additional treatment unit from the min of 6 to 7, and a priority flow on your sewage.

[obtuse raven]

It shouldn't be a problem to clog on yazheen solution

[vast iron]

oops, - a bajillion power

[obtuse raven]

I am reusing the crucibles that I use to produce liquid Xiranite

[wispy grove]

i think this is better since one belt will only reduced because of tax, therefore u get less yazhen solution

[subtle finch]

here for example, i cut my forge xiranite by .25, i also need to throw that sewage away

[delicate seal]

My Curcibles work at 100% at the moment because I have 50k xiranite in my depo.

[fervent spoke]

thats how I do it :x

tho i think that ends up being 15/s

[vast iron]

uhm just clog 2 lines of cuprium slightly till its 30-3.75 each
then have a 5th unloader with a speed limited to 7.5/min

[subtle finch]

if there's nothing else wrong, then send those refinery to depot first, before splitting them.
it must be the belt that's clogging, you just need any kind of buffer, stash works too

[wispy grove]

will that reduce your production?

[subtle finch]

it does, im making 3/min comp. and 9/min bat

[wispy grove]

[delicate seal]

Thanks the help

[tropic plover]

So Valley and wuling Engraving Permits are the very limiting thing to progress in the factory system overall and upgrading characters gears, any solution for that or just keep satisfactory?

[vast iron]

engraving permits are for farming alluviums..?

its a thing that helps you get set effects

[tropic plover]

I don't know what is that but I know that I need a lot of permit for crafting gears

[vast iron]

artificing catalyst things? ah well yeah youre limited by the weekly refresh rate

but not really useful for factory expanison(?) its more just character min-maxxing

[tropic plover]

I meant these, gears money

[vast iron]

thats the alluvium farming thing

do you mean the base currency? (stock bills)

[tropic plover]

There are so far 3 currencies, the stock bills, these and Wulings permits to build the gold gears

[vast iron]

these gold things are for farming gear essences, but you dont really need to use them on every run, all they do is increase the chance of getting the stat you want but you only need 1 perfect essense per gear, since upgrading works with any random essence

[subtle finch]

the real cap is the amount you can buy weekly. you can easily buy everything out in store

[wispy grove]

thats for alluvium(weapon orbs)

gears are different

[subtle finch]

you will still have excess bills* for food or gifts at the shop/staple goods

[tropic plover]

So 4 currencies? Man Hypergryph is not short on money, I couldn't unlock deliveries, only exchange and it's still limited, and brother Wuling is so expensive in everything, they're giving us a taste of inflation

[vast iron]

its fine, dont rush trying to buy these early and focus on building factory

once you get outpost stuff running itl be stable income

[wispy grove]

only do this when your weapon reached lvl 80

[lone pebble]

send a picture of what youre talking about , it`s easyer !

[vast iron]

stock bills, artificing catalysts, engraving permit... 4? what am i missing

[tropic plover]

Wish I could, it's on PC and I just closed off the latest MQ so I'm cooling off, been trying to progress

[subtle finch]

tangtang credits

[tropic plover]

Yeah so far I'm at 70 for main dps

[vast iron]

quest relevency ofc

the true currency

[wispy grove]

you have 2 main currencies, sanity and stock bills
you use stockbills to buy gear artificing and weapon essences

the rest uses sanity

[vast iron]

i guess components count as a currency

[lone pebble]

bro there are only 2 "Currencies" - that can BUY things from shop at this moment !

[tropic plover]

Yeah, how are you that rich? You should donate at this point

[nova lodge]

we would if we could

[vast iron]

everyone is about this rich

[tropic plover]

Gold Gears is what I'm aiming for honestly, but to get there, factory has to be improved

[fervent spoke]

just hoarding stock items xD

[warped glacier]

real LMAO

[wispy grove]

wuling pretty much

[tropic plover]

I'm the poorest I guess

[lone pebble]

to "create/make/forge" GEAR for youre heros youl need 1 of this currencies ! depending on the level , and 2.nd your need to manufacture/create/make GEAR COMPONENTS PART`s , that u create in youre factory !

[vast iron]

dont even worry about artificing gear since it doesnt even work for lower tier LOL

[subtle finch]

the real secret is elastic goods prediction

[wispy grove]

max factory, dont slack it

[peak sinew]

my cuprium is instantly evaporate

[vast iron]

what are you building bro

[peak sinew]

bottle, part, component, yazen sig

[tropic plover]

I did make a few but only resources like the buck capsules, still have a long way to go

[vast iron]

yeah but 270?????

[wispy grove]

you wont get gold gear in valley 4, only in wuling. but you still need to use v4 stock bills for weapons essences

[peak sinew]

9 inputs

[wispy grove]

why would u do that bro

[tropic plover]

I did unlock all gear sets in wuling and able to equip, just need to farm, produce and craft

[peak sinew]

6 of this in main base
3 bottle in sub base

[lone pebble]

in order to reach those amount of currencies , you need to have improved REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT 12 in V4 / 8 in Wulling ! plus lvl 4 on all outpost`s !

[tropic plover]

That's a long way to go, I'll keep that in mind, especially in the valley

[lone pebble]

2.nd , do those dayly +3 more in "list of delivery"

[wispy grove]

use wuling stock bills to buy this for your gear but i dont recommend buying it(only for your dps) since its expensive

[peak sinew]

somehow the line still looking stable

it worked

[warped glacier]

you'll just get it on daily selling stuff and do the depot, it easy really

[obtuse raven]

Well, after looking as some of the factories I decided to first send my refined cuprium to storage before the transforming it into cuprium parts/bottles, hopefully this will make it more resilience to offline shenanigans

[wispy grove]

the weapon tickets only helps u have higher chance of matching essense ung your weapon, but you still use sanity on alluvium domans.

[tropic plover]

I'll start by saving and using the stocks to unlock things that helps the ROI, I'm not in hurry so far

[tropic plover]

I'll look for this next I login

[peak sinew]

valley build look way more stable that wuling

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-applause-standing-ovation-gif-15648815

thats way to go

inter connecting is a bad idea

[lone pebble]

but dont forghet to upgrade youre Outpost`s to lvl4-v4 and lvl3-in W , ussing heroes

[tropic plover]

Yeah I'll try to got on it step by step

[wispy grove]

crucibles are just that bad

[lone pebble]

it wont be off any use , if u starting building Serringe A and SC -w bat , because you cant sell them

[tropic plover]

Yeah, also, where does the ship come here, the last priority?

[tropic plover]

I noticed my goods to sell are very limited for now

[lone pebble]

the Main HUB/ AIC will be in Wulling , and the S-pac will be in Sky King Flats/Jingyu Valley !

[tropic plover]

I know about that, I meant the Digiang, between the two regions and it, should I worry about it last?

[lone pebble]

what about it !? the ship is still there !

[obtuse raven]

I just wish it would all be perfect instead of this, so that we can directly chain produce without worrying of offline taxing and subsequent overflow down the production line

[wispy grove]

[tropic plover]

I meant upgrading it

[wispy grove]

your ocd is holding u back

[obtuse raven]

To think that in the past I had nightmares trying to make a perfect alumina cycle in Satisfactory because of fluid "simulation" in the pipes... And now I have nightmares because of whatever hell is going on inside the crucibles while offline

[lone pebble]

lvl3 an nexux 5 is max !

[wispy grove]

sorry bro but i can only help u with the sewage problem. but the fluctuations nope nope

swassssssssss

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[vast iron]

reactor crucibles are the exact opposite of metatransfer
instead of creating shit out of nothing with magic
it magically turns liquids into nothing

what a beautiful thing, isnt it

i have no clue what i did, but im not really experiencing any fluctuations as of rn, well barely but still

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[vast iron]

perhaps i got lucky

[obtuse raven]

Nah, I will just wait for a bugfix, which hopefully will come sooner than later

[wispy grove]

Its a feature

[obtuse raven]

I only wanted to have more time to react to overflow while offline, and now with the new layout in place that should be solved

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[obtuse raven]

Well, enought factory for today, time to do the dailies

[vast iron]

wuling secretly taxing our xiranite production

[strong walrus]

is this suposed to look like this?

[obtuse raven]

Idk why I feel like this bug will reappear when they introduce more upgrades to the crucible or new fomulas...

[vast iron]

might be because the internal storage of the packaging unit is full

either that or some other item got into the facility and is occupying one of the slots?

[strong walrus]

oh sorry , I meant the thing on the right

it looks like an awefull lot of pipe bridges

and splitters, and conversergs

[iron stratus]

i mean it'll work perfectly fine

[vast iron]

oh yeah looks good

[iron stratus]

you could compact it a lot and cut out 2 of the treatment units

but it shouldnt have any issues that slow xircon yield

[vast iron]

the basic fluid circuiting is fine

optimizing comes later

[quick hearth]

any way i could potentially shorten this line?

[vast iron]

dont think so

[quick hearth]

oof

[vast iron]

i mean pylons dont take power anyways

theres no SUBPAC either in that area so youre not low on facility space either

[quick hearth]

true but having such a long extension is annoying to look at :P

oh well

[vast iron]

[obtuse raven]

I have a similar layout

[iron stratus]

it's so sad that ardelia isnt best for the power plateau outpost

[pulsar cypress]

Me forgot who, but someone crossing the hill wall to bypass right through..
While carrying the cable..
Not circling around..

[vast iron]

i mean if your outpost is maxed you only need 2/3 for 20% more bills earned and 20% more trade value

the 20% xp is pointless

[pulsar cypress]

Took dozens of tries.. XD

[vast iron]

interesting, im not surprised some ppl are insane

tho might need some of the old flight bugs but i think they patched no?

[pulsar cypress]

Kinda like this.. XD

[lone pebble]

still can make it !

[subtle finch]

anyone have a glitched zipline here?

[pulsar cypress]

No he just keep jumpin2 on the walls.. Climbing the side..
Sneakin thought some invisible walls..

[vast iron]

allat for like 2 pylons

they shouldve just let us drag cables across ziplines ngl

[subtle finch]

at that point, just allow xiranite relays in valley iv

[pulsar cypress]

For connecting where?

Yeaa.. Some part is real pain if not auto connect.. -_-)

[vast iron]

i have no glitched ziplins

[subtle finch]

i'm going to the delivery point, i don't wanna turn

[pulsar cypress]

Oh.. XD asia?
Lemme check mine..
Not sure..

[subtle finch]

yes

[vast iron]

just go from house roofs

those arent that hard to access

[obtuse raven]

I think everyone went through there, it also helps you to collect the materials

[real crescent]

i do have that mountain but sadly EU

[fervent spoke]

oh would you like to share eisdschungle?

[quaint solar]

I think my factory is bugged. My conduit inlet takes water but my conduit outlet doesn’t receive any

[lone pebble]

you know you have to link them togheter ! 😛

[vast iron]

can you show?

[quaint solar]

Yes I have linked them half brain

[quaint solar]

One sec

[real crescent]

ye sure, whats your uid

[lone pebble]

then right is the problem at the factory ! not the owner 😛 if we start to talk like that 😛

[fervent spoke]

6301589584

[real crescent]

never realized how tall biproduct processing was

[subtle finch]

they need to fix lod in valley iv. those rocks need more polygon

[real crescent]

OH LMFAO talking about lods, the science park main building isnt showing anymore, but the ziplines i placed on it are visible in that pic

[pulsar cypress]

Me from right side..

Passing the factory photo zip..

[vast iron]

interesting way to go at it

tho top is better cuz rare plant access no?

[real crescent]

send

[quaint solar]

Wait nvm the issue is they’re just not connected to a pipe. Weird the guy in the tutorial didn’t have this issue they just automatically connected

[fervent spoke]

thanks

[pulsar cypress]

Dont have miracle zip that at the top of hill beside the jade rock..
So the fungi and rock split way..
Fungi on the way to city recycle depot..

[quaint solar]

And there isn’t enough space to connect them

Wth

[vast iron]

you should be able to push the splitter right 1 so theres a 1 gap

splitter orientation looks correct..

[quaint solar]

Alr lemme try that

[vast iron]

its weird because it looks like that should work
i dont remember conduits needing a 1 minumum belt length

[lone pebble]

It dosent , but he made me half brain ! think we was refering to + , couse his conduit aint recieving whater ! but what do i know !

[obtuse raven]

It should autoconnect, many of my pipe inputs/outputs are like that

[vast iron]

nah its on ZZZ means it is connected

just means it isnt outputting anything since clogging is displayed on the inlet

[lone pebble]

i know , and saw it`s connected , but is not recieving !

[vast iron]

it still can receive if its zzz

its probably in zzz rn because the internal storage is full

[quaint solar]

There we go they’re all working now appreciate it

[obtuse raven]

What is strange is that it doesn't even have any fluid icon

[vast iron]

nice

[lone pebble]

if full , will have to be Cloged !

[vast iron]

thats the inlet

[pulsar cypress]

[vast iron]

the outlet is usually zzz when it isnt OUTPUTTING any fluid

which is the case

[quaint solar]

Listen man, I didn’t mean to get on your nervers but your use of emojis just pissed me off a bit

[vast iron]

could be due to zoom?

[lone pebble]

no wories 😛 , i put the emojy couse when i sad something simmilar , somewone told me i was salty ! so i hoped this time , would be taken in an easier manner and not as a "bad" remark !

[pulsar cypress]

Zoom influence the item icon..

[obtuse raven]

Max zoom

[vast iron]

oke idk

this one im unsure of

[pulsar cypress]

Oh, it doesn't have icon coz the outlet is empty..

[vast iron]

it was working tho?

[quaint solar]

Ahh no problem them. If you didn’t mean any offense then none taken

[obtuse raven]

Let me try to hook up some fresh inlet and outlets

[pulsar cypress]

If the inlet is empty also it will be like that..

[vast iron]

ive had cases where inlet was clogged and outlet was in ZZZ lol

[pulsar cypress]

Ig

[obtuse raven]

It displays zzz by default when connected

[vast iron]

tho usually its because the conduit is running below 2/s transfer rate

since then the pipe would pump out fluids faster than it fills

[lone pebble]

language barrier ! hard to translate from my point of view in english ! couse one word can have multiple meannings ! 😄

[vast iron]

making it idle a bit

[pulsar cypress]

Yea... Zzz when electric on but not working..
Don't care with the facility content..

[vast iron]

i mean the definition of "working" for conduits is weird

[lone pebble]

And for those who dossent know ! u can have 2 diffent fuild on the same pipe/converging then splitting 😉 even 3 but they will alternate deppending on the lenght of the pipe

[vast iron]

not very usable tho

[pulsar cypress]

Oh wait.. My sewage outlet didn't have icon also..
But water one have..

[obtuse raven]

I guess it is useful to save space

[obtuse raven]

Could you also send us how your inlet looks like? To have the full panorama

[quaint solar]

I could ig. But I fixed the issue with some help so it’s not really needed

[obtuse raven]

Oh, nvm then

[fathom yacht]

Anyone have a xeranite component BP? All I am finding is cuprium.

[obtuse raven]

I think I will just this here for the lols, those who know know

[vast iron]

this is the evolution of belt circle

[quasi locust]

@subtle finch i have rerouted my production to use backfeeding, after accounting for the yaxed yazhen liquid, there is no build up in the cuprium side at all (both sewage or cuprium) 👍

[pulsar cypress]

Xyranite already expired..
Its copium time..
Many maybe have full stack of xyranite type..

[vast iron]

we have extra ori anyways

[fathom yacht]

Well, LR still wants xyranite 🙁

[vast iron]

just look for older posts

[pulsar cypress]

Asia?

[fathom yacht]

NA

[pulsar cypress]

Oofff.. If asia might be i can check my old bp..
I think haven't deleted it..
Try in blueprint channel, old post..

[fathom yacht]

I'm 4 pages back on BPs, still looking through 🙂

[vast iron]

search for it

like

"components"

[fathom yacht]

I am 🙂

[vast iron]

acutally i might remember an old post

[fathom yacht]

doing in: blueprints "components" also tried "Xyranite components"

[vast iron]

thats not how you spell xiranite

[fathom yacht]

Nope 😐 still looking

[obtuse raven]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1465228516869017773

[pulsar cypress]

Xira or comp maybe better to search..
Coz peps sometimes short them..

[obtuse raven]

This one fits your needs?

[fathom yacht]

oooo ty. that should fit

[winged sinew]

Tangtang masterpiece

[fathom yacht]

I was looking in the collection and didn't see it, probably because it shows #unknown now

[obtuse raven]

Once I get through the bills I have accumulated I should start producing cuprium components...

[subtle finch]

this is only for outpost exp right? shouldn't affect bonus bills?

[shell hinge]

Just exp yes

[vast iron]

yep

[subtle finch]

i don't have yvonne for infra-station

[lone pebble]

U can use Chen for xp and a bit of bill`s

[hoary crag]

yup there's not really much choices for infra station

and if your infra is maxed, then chen is just gonna be like every other op that only boosts regen

[storm garnet]

gotta love offline bug

i guess i need two unloaders then

[north moth]

I am trying to get 27.5/m input on both these. Am I too overcomplicating it or is there an easy way?

[subtle finch]

i didn't even consider that's an issue for syringe too. cause i'm overproducing yazhen solution along with 2 liquid xiranite

[storm garnet]

ok, i'm officially turning off the components machine, i'm tired of xiranite defficiency

[solid python]

Not transferring 80k to Valley IV?

[storm garnet]

in the future, when i'm close to cap on batteries

[shell hinge]

Are you running below outpost capacity?

[subtle finch]

i enjoying balancing the system to produce comp

[pulsar willow]

I think you can do it like this?

[sly field]

well sheet, I don't think there's more resource and more to increase purity

[uneven aspen]

yup

[north moth]

much better.

[marble yarrow]

easier 55/min

(saves 1 refining)

[pulsar willow]

(5 energy)

[shell hinge]

This is a simple way to get that output

[quasi locust]

wow this is really elegant

[pulsar willow]

damn didn't think of using a protocol stash to balance out the outputs

[quasi locust]

the jamming occurs at the convergers, and the facility won't even see it

[shell hinge]

Protocol stashes make the best splitters/balancers

Just set them to storage mode and off

[pulsar willow]

I literally sat there for a couple of minutes thinking why it's done this way

[quasi locust]

yeah took me a while to fully digest the implication of crucible tax too, that my cuprium line was jamming due to yazhen getting taxed (which then caused low sewage output)

[marble yarrow]

bro is tired for work

[pulsar cypress]

[pulsar cypress]

Its sunday, it demand holiday..

[rapid kelp]

How do y'all do backup power systems? Do u use the automatic belt relay controlled thing on yt or smth else?

[upper fiber]

backup or minmaxing?

[shell hinge]

What is a backup power system in endfield?

We don't have enough logic to switch power sources to my knowledge

[pulsar willow]

DIGE you mean?

[pulsar willow]

https://dige.aunly.cn/
do you mean this thing?

[quasi locust]

I am using this one

[subtle finch]

back then backup power was sort viable because we have excess secondary battery type that can keep up
if you still have old stock of lc wuling bat, you can still do it i guess

[rapid kelp]

As in yeah when you somehow run out of the usual battery you chuck in to your power stations

Without having to constantly monitor it

[shell hinge]

How would you ever achieve backup power even in valley iv?

[quasi locust]

Hmm usually we only produce one type of battery tho

[pulsar cypress]

Something like this?

[tall thunder]

You guys monitor Batteries?

[quasi locust]

Switching battery sounds complicated

[subtle finch]

pwm is not backup, variable pwm is also not backup guys

[tall thunder]

One T1 and One T2 batteries should be 5K already

[rapid kelp]

This is more control/modulation than backup nah

[shell hinge]

Actually.......

[subtle finch]

i can't find the execute button, do i have to run it locally?

oh nvm, im blind

[quasi locust]

It’s here if anyone else is checking

[upper fiber]

you just make bat and put it in thermal bank

[shell hinge]

Okay, I'm pretty sure backup power is possible via protocol stashes

[subtle finch]

since it's harder to find pwm solution for the new battery, i wonder if there are solution that require more complex splitters, and if someone can make a blueprint solver for that too

[quasi locust]

I think we just don’t run to the issue of depot out of battery

[subtle finch]

that and dige, can only divide by half and thirds, but not selective merge

[rapid kelp]

Yeah, as in having a secondary type of battery for bank when primary somehow stops production and runs out

[subtle finch]

someone have made those before, but i couldn't find them for you

[marble yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4hnEyPCVJs

wait this is the improved version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhAKvgxINFg

[shell hinge]

Here you go, this handles that

[rapid kelp]

Yeah, I know this. Just asking if you have alternatives too

[subtle finch]

this is the one that i remember, but the backup power produce more power, so this isnt gonna work

[quasi locust]

yeah dige can only do divisions in 1/2 and 1/3. the solver above can do basically any fractions so it's more precise in small values

[subtle finch]

yeah, i just noticed that, dige only does 1/3 then all 1/2 after that, so it's even more restricted. i envy who can code this

[quasi locust]

unlike dige that need to divide a big value to reach a level of precision, the solver can divide small value (only one battery) and have a static baseline

[shell hinge]

The downside with my very simple system is that it will not self reset

However, it can also handle any items

[rapid kelp]

I have smth similar to this tho a question about item priority: would stash prio outting rightmost items or FAFO?

[quasi locust]

since the solution doesn't need to oscillate two banks, it's a very stable solution compared to dige

[quasi locust]

same tbh

[shell hinge]

It works because the stash prioritizes outputting the first item in its inventory. By priming that with the primary item, it will always output that item unless it runs out

[rapid kelp]

I see. Agreed, it's first in first out.

[subtle finch]

i thought you meant fuck around and find out

[rapid kelp]

My autocorrect fafo'd aicjwnfjc

[quasi locust]

wow i just learned a new tech

[shell hinge]

The advantage over the above video is that it does not wait for your power to run out.
The disadvantage is that it relies on manual reset.

[quasi locust]

but it has a way to go in terms of switching battery tho, since you would need more thermal bank for smaller battery to get the same power level

[shell hinge]

For the use case of keeping your base powered for long periods of being offline, I believe that is acceptable

[subtle finch]

not sure if that actually solves the problem i mentioned, it all goes to the same destination. but you need more banks for a lower tier battery

[shell hinge]

That's pretty easy to do

Priority flow should get a rough approximation, or use belt blocking

The one thing I'm not sure on is how belt blocking performs offline

[subtle finch]

nvm, i guess you can just add more banks at the end

[shell hinge]

Oh, and you can also use splitter filters

Like this

[quasi locust]

Ooh that makes sense

[subtle finch]

that is more elegant imo

[shell hinge]

The backup power video is pretty interesting though

It serves a different use case than my design, automatic resetting but also short term

[subtle finch]

i think the reason variable power didn’t catch on is it keeps trying until it finds a stable power, but while doing that, your production is affected

[shell hinge]

Yeah that's the big downside, you can only detect power failures

[upper fiber]

but different type of bat has lower output, so might need another thermal bank

[quasi locust]

yeah, so we can add more banks after a filter to power up more thermal banks

[subtle finch]

that's what i just said

[sterile stratus]

ig my zipline is done in qingbo stockade, is there any way i can optimize more

[upper fiber]

well, power shortage won't happen unless you offline for more than 1 week

[quasi locust]

is this is the priority flow?

[atomic fiber]

damn... this cost me alot of facilities limit

[upper fiber]

what are those extra 3 for at the edges

[quasi locust]

is this the oven?

[atomic fiber]

3?

[atomic fiber]

ye

[upper fiber]

oh 4

[atomic fiber]

8 zap and 7 fire

[upper fiber]

maybe the map can't show it right

[subtle finch]

i think there are two types of priority flow
one where one side gets more than others until that clogs
the other one means one side gets everything unless the input runs out
it could be confusing talking about it

[atomic fiber]

we have full priority flow on pipes?

[quasi locust]

so the other one is more like a priority switch?

[atomic fiber]

i thought that is only available for belt

[subtle finch]

i guess input side vs output side priority is how we should differentiate

[atomic fiber]

i know how to do it on belt

not on pipes tho

[subtle finch]

pipes are usually output side prio, while for belts, we care about input side priority

[subtle finch]

it's the same with pipes no? who needs different liquid in one lane anyway

well maybe that comment will age poorly later

[quasi locust]

so this is the priority of the converger?

[quasi locust]

sounds hard. since each section of pipe can only allow one type of liquid, the input rate must be much lower than the pipe flow rate or it will keep clogging

[upper fiber]

more like no extra process

[merry wagon]

I think you can optimize the route up the waterwheel

[sterile stratus]

ohh nice i'll try that

[merry wagon]

[upper fiber]

dang people full ziplining qingbo

[merry wagon]

I've already connected the entirety of wuling together with ziplines

[subtle finch]

there's only 2 nodes, and one owl, why are there so many ziplines

[upper fiber]

i would be doing that if tele not exist

that owl can be ignored anyway.... useless mats

[sterile stratus]

how did you place the waterwheel route

[merry wagon]

my phone is so bad it takes 30 seconds to load into an area, ziplining is faster for me

[subtle finch]

i didn't place ziplines yet, but im happy with my power line here

[sterile stratus]

lmao that one gap

[subtle finch]

pumps are restrictive

[sterile stratus]

rest(i chose this)
...
latch to zipline
🙏

hm

how so

[subtle finch]

can you still return to ruan yi's hideout after the mission?

[sterile stratus]

i'm lowk still trying to figure out the placement of the near last zipline to the waterwheel

[solid python]

What do we need ziplines for?

[sterile stratus]

yeah i give up i can't find that gap

[quasi locust]

it looks different

[sterile stratus]

just kidding i found that let's go

[sterile stratus]

priority flow implement?

[quasi locust]

yeah. idk what i am doing

[sterile stratus]

should make it 2 input

should be more features in the future instead of expecting players making cpus out of ts

[quasi locust]

wow the converger interaction is so inconsistent, i replaced the converger and splitter and now it behaves like this

[small creek]

does anyone have a selfclog-throttling cheat sheet

[subtle finch]

a what now?

[upper fiber]

how to screenshot full map or full factory? mine is so close

[small creek]

self clog throttling for 5/min, 10/min, etc all the way to 30/min

[quasi locust]

something like this? (it's a 1/6 divider)

[quasi locust]

does the priority flow work by input timing mismatches?

[small creek]

yes but a side by side of them all

1/6 is 5/min right?

an image with all would be nice

1/6, 2/6, etc

[tepid wigeon]

lol realizing something funny.
Just full rawdogging Cuprium for stock goods is 91% as efficient as making Yahzen syringes.

[sterile stratus]

💀 interesting
endmin should sell yazhen A for more stocks

[upper fiber]

yazhenA should price more

[tepid wigeon]

it really should

Takes 20 Cuprium to make a syringe (10 Parts and 5 Bottles) for 22 stock bills, which if you just trade the 20 cuprium straight it's 1 for 1, 20 stock bills.

Syringe has the extra overhead of filling chain

[subtle finch]

it's the same thing with buck/canned C actually.
it didnt catch on because you can easily overcap

[upper fiber]

bulkC need so many amethyst?

[quasi locust]

ah i found this but not the one picture summary

i can give it a go

[tepid wigeon]

LMAO it's actually just a straight equal efficiency of bulk c to amethyst parts

[subtle finch]

i did the math on it back then comparing selling bottles/meds

[quasi locust]

whoops

[tepid wigeon]

5 bottles/ 10 amethyst for 10 v4 stock vs 10 amethyst parts for 10 stock

or 5 bottles for 5x2 = 10

[quasi locust]

yeah

[small creek]

idk what any of these are..

[serene lodge]

Is there a hopper like facility in the game?

[quasi locust]

it's self clogging. from left to right 1/6, 1, 2/3, 1/2 and 1/3. not the exact numbers you were looking for yet

[subtle finch]

wdym

[tepid wigeon]

Bridges?

[somber snow]

First comment on a BP i made,
and the mf said it looks like a swas.

[small creek]

fuck.

i forgot to reconnect the sewage conduits before sleeping

[pulsar cypress]

Rip..

[pulsar cypress]

°-°)/*pats..

[viscid plover]

you didn't account for the cost of energy making buck C since there's more planter seeder etc in play there
which also equal to more battery cost

it will skew the number toward bottle exponentially

[quasi locust]

@small creek not the most compact, but it's stable and inline (doesn't need to be stuck right next to the depot)

[subtle finch]

yes i didn't. i switched to bottle to try it but i keep forgetting to sell before it caps my depot, so i switched back

[viscid plover]

fair enough

not selling has to be worse than the lost in power cost

[small creek]

im collecting these, thank you

[quasi locust]

ah this is a better representation for 5/6

[small creek]

i saw this earlier but havent verified https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463037619091800227/1484975696160882851/image.png?ex=69c02ee3&is=69bedd63&hm=68623f74ca0f190c19bf1d4b0a0c33819c82ad151cc558af61be63b23294b199&

[quasi locust]

oh yeah i was looking for it lmao. i can do a quick one to verify

[quasi locust]

it's good oops it wasn't

[small creek]

you tested it? nice

[ruby sorrel]

that 1/6 is 1/3 though

[upper fiber]

same result but one is 1/6 and other one 1/3

[quasi locust]

oh you are right, it was bugged 😔

as in clogged

[ruby sorrel]

maybe it works if you mirror it or sth cus of the timing

[rain schooner]

BRO WTF IS WRONG WITH THE AIC

I LOGGED IN AND EVERYTHING IS DOWN

[upper fiber]

sewage clogging likely

[quasi locust]

@small creek oops, the 1/6 earlier was clogging (and causes skips). this is a working one

[rain schooner]

everything was being used. I logged in last night and everything was grey

fucking fix your system holy fuck

[upper fiber]

i'm sorry
we can't afford better server

[rain schooner]

didnt they literally make more money than genshin when they launched

[vestal tiger]

Check when it went down
Use the time drop down

[vestal tiger]

No

Genshin still holds the crown for most money made at launch

We are unlikely to see that number again, because genshin launched during covid

[upper fiber]

just need ww3 and release of SAOVR

[rain schooner]

can you remove sewage from a facility manually or you can only do it by attaching it to a treatment thing

[vestal tiger]

From there look at the graph and try to see which resource stalled the whole time
Start at batteries, then the cubes, the sewage and the others

[vestal tiger]

Use bottles

But that's arduous

[rain schooner]

How....it only lets me remove it or add it to the slot

[quasi locust]

you can remove sewage manually in facilities except reactor crucibles

[rain schooner]

oh ffs

[vestal tiger]

Pull the bottle to the slot

[upper fiber]

maybe he tried on reactor

[vestal tiger]

Also you could just delete the facility

And replace it

[small creek]

okay thank u sm

[severe nexus]

not sure what you are doing but i havent had any problems with sewage yet

[rain schooner]

ty. i didnt think of this. Thats an "easier" fix

[rain schooner]

bruh I log out and in

thats it

its literally the games fault

[upper fiber]

issue likely happen when sc bat 12/min

[vestal tiger]

I've had a small issue

My syringe clogged and caused my battery to die

[upper fiber]

why you combine them...

[rain schooner]

They need to add the feature to let us reconnect the water lines in the over head view

[vestal tiger]

Why not?
Syringe has sewage as byproduct
And sewage is needed for xircon

[vestal tiger]

You can do that already?

[quasi locust]

you are probably encountering the crucible tax, specifically your liquid xiranite got taxed while you went offline

[rain schooner]

no you cant. Not with the inlets and outlets

[upper fiber]

you don't store up the cuprium first?

[quasi locust]

so you got an excess of sewage instead since input liquid xiranite is less

[vestal tiger]

You meant the underground thing between inlet and outlet?

[scenic swift]

yeah thats annoying

[rain schooner]

yes. i just said that lol

[vestal tiger]

No
I planned to
But there isn't enough space in the space for syringes

[upper fiber]

you're stash hater?

[vestal tiger]

No

I meant

The way I designed my base

I didn't have space to put stashes between the cuprium and the syringe

[rain schooner]

sorry I didnt mean to rage so much and deleting/replacing the facility is a "quick" fix but this shouldnt be an issue and should be fixed by now

[severe nexus]

are you looping the sewage from the crucibles?

[rain schooner]

no....everything is being filtered correctly. Sec

[severe nexus]

i genuinely dont know what is causing the simulation to work poorly for you

[rain schooner]

Bro....clearly its a server side issue. Im not the only one that has been having problems

[iron stratus]

you can loop back the sewage from each xircon crucible back to one of the xircon effluent reactors and cut 2 of the cuprium refineries

[vestal tiger]

I also wanted the syringe to be in a specific area

[rain schooner]

I believe ive tried something like that before and I run out of sewage. This is the best way to do it in my experience.

[severe nexus]

would it work better without having the sewage pass through the liquid xira crucibles?

[quasi locust]

yeah it is bugged, check this out. #1484387702903275692 message

the summary is during offline mode, crucible outputs 3 less for every 500

[vestal tiger]

I see

[warped delta]

You can send it to a fluid tank or bottle it

[rain schooner]

Im glad someone brought this up with evidence so people like the dude above can stop fucking blaming players

So annoying

[quasi locust]

if your sewage is clogging/overflowing, it's likely due to liquid xiranite getting taxed. likewise if your sewage is empty and xircon output drops, it's likely that your sewage source (likely cuprium refinery) is clogged due to yazhen getting taxed

[severe nexus]

i dont see anything in your factory that would result in it crashing due to crucible deleting a few items

[warped delta]

I have the cuprium refining in my core and the parts/bottling happens at the sub bc it's easier to have the sewage where its needed to start.

[quasi locust]

if your sewage is overflowing, sending 3 sewage to effluent crucible and backfeeding 1 from xircon helps

[severe nexus]

maybe the game just gets confused when you pass sewage in and out of a crucible without using it

[quasi locust]

if your cuprium refinery clogs, feed >1 stream of yazhen to the filling unit for yazhen A

[finite basin]

oh hell nah they even created a more compact oven

[warped delta]

It taxes it regardless of clogging or not. I have fluid tanks to buffer between all major processes and it still gets docked. It's a combination of belts slowing while offline and rounding/truncating fractions errors during the offline catchup algorithm.

[severe nexus]

are you guys looping sewage?

[quasi locust]

ye ye, regarding to sewage clogging, the input is mismatched when liquid xiranite got taxed while sewage from cuprium refinery isn't, hence sewage clogs

[warped delta]

My point is if you have a buffer tank, sewage wont back up in such a way that affects cuprium

[vestal tiger]

That's true

[quasi locust]

true

[shell hinge]

Just wondering, how is the reactor bug causing entire bases to break?

At most it should slightly slow down cuprium no?

[somber snow]

Could be that ppl just started making SCs, using them as a power source, but it clogs offline, and their factories died overnight

Or they directly connected thermals to the packaging units

[young stag]

the oven method is actually approved wtf

[rain schooner]

im not sure if Im reading some of these post correctly but having a buffer anything isnt the issue. The system is not calculating stuff correctly and should be fixed. I shouldn't have have to calculate and make up for the systems errors even if its a temporary solution. Just saying

[quasi locust]

Maybe it’s another intended but hidden mechanic

[shell hinge]

But how? How does a slight decrease in sewage consumption result in a total shutdown?

It should behave like any reduction in sewage consumption and slow down cuprium, not stop production entirely

[somber snow]

I wish i could tell u, but i genuinely have no idea,

Sometimes ppl can have problems, like community ziplines diplacing pylons, causing rigs to shut down,

Or ppl making small stupid mistakes, like connecting 5 thermals to a packaging unit

[atomic prairie]

Am I missing something? How are people having sewage issues? I have two of my cuprium sewage lines going towards my battery production and the other two going to treatment units and have had no issues, online or offline.

[torn chasm]

You can't really process it indefinetly right now. Sure you can use it for the new componetns but you will not have enough stocks to craft gear with it every day and eventually your storage will be full. You would have to dump stuff every day.

[small creek]

i connected 4 thermals to a packaging unit, but the offline belt slow made my entire factory blackout

[somber snow]

Ye, happened to me too,
I was genuinely confused,

Ever since then, i dont ever connect them directly again

I modulate my power now anyways

[small creek]

theres also other factors like my usage being at exactly 5.7k/5.7k

but anw yea

[shell hinge]

That's entirely unrelated to the question and also only occurs if you don't sell yazhen a

[small creek]

the fix was easy tho, move 1 thermal bank somewhere else

[torn chasm]

Sorry i missunderstood the question

[oak crescent]

@dapper cedar

[small creek]

basically if you are edging the power consumption, use 3 thermal bank at most for each packaging unit to account for offline belt slow

if not, 4 is fine

[somber snow]

Theres a reason why in engineering, we need leeway,

Becuz if u’re borderline on the limit, 1 small mistake, and everything shuts down,

Just like gears

[shell hinge]

How precisely are you feeding your thermal banks that they have no buffer and the <1% production loss while offline is enough to starve them?

If you just put a thermal bank on the output of a packaging unit, the thermal bank itself acts as a buffer

[small creek]

literally just 1-2 belts away

but im also 5.7/5.7k

[shell hinge]

You'd have to feed exactly 1.5/min into the thermal bank so no buffer ever exists

Your power consumption is irrelevant

[small creek]

It is

if i have less power consumption, i can afford having a few late batteries

[uneven aspen]

so right now reactor crucibles are operating at 99.9x%

xircon effu reactor eats liquid xiranite and sewage.

Now it's getting less liquid xiranite, so the unused sewage slowly builds up.

[shell hinge]

That is still predicated on having zero buffer and thus very high precision thermal bank supply

[small creek]

I make 6/min with one pacakging

4 thermal banks split evenly

so no buffer

[shell hinge]

The sewage will slowly build up until it fills cuprium refinement. However, sewage consumption hasn't stopped, just slowed by ~0.1%. As such, cuprium should not stop either, just slow by ~0.1%. That should not kill a base

[uneven aspen]

it's also why if you use xircon reactor crucible's sewage back to one of the xirconeffu reactor as a feedback loop it fails. Because only 99.9x% of sewage is produced instead of 100%.

so if you had a feedback loop it will run out of sewage

[uneven aspen]

unused sewage = refiner unit having 50/50 sewage, so it stops producing.

[shell hinge]

That also should not be true

[uneven aspen]

it is true . . . it happened me

i fixed it too . . .

[shell hinge]

It only stops until sewage is consumed again, which should be almost immediately

[uneven aspen]

99% liquid xiranite wont use up 100% of sewage

[shell hinge]

Again, that causes a slowdown of cuprium, not a full shutdown

It means you can only refine 99% cuprium

[uneven aspen]

xircon effu won't eat up the sewage because its lacking the liquid xiranite

it's suppose to be 1:1

but it's not offline

[shell hinge]

Is this with lc batteries? Otherwise 4 thermal banks at full supply should be waaaay more power

[uneven aspen]

that's why people are adding water treatment to deal with teh clogging issue

[shell hinge]

Bro, 99% =/= 0%

[finite basin]

lol we gon make sum baked aggeloi rn

[shell hinge]

Just because a cuprium refiner has 50 sewage in it doesn't mean it won't run

[uneven aspen]

if it has 50 sewage and clogged it won't run

[torn chasm]

it stops running when it's full with seawage can confirm

[shell hinge]

So long as you keep consuming sewage at a non-zero rate, cuprium will also run at a non-zero rate

The internal buffer will stay at 50 because it won't run at maximum capacity, but it won't fully shut down as long as you have consumption

Since the bug only reduces consumption a tiny amount, cuprium is hence only slowed by a tiny amount

[shell hinge]

I very much doubt it. Closed loop systems are not technically closed, since two effluent reactors feed each xircon reactor. If the loop empties by any means, only one reactor stops running. So long as the other continues running with its external sewage source, the closed loop is filled again. A continual drain, such as the reactor bug, will thus only result in slower production, not zero production

[somber snow]

From the texts, it just looks like the bug is a lot more problematic than it seems

[uneven aspen]

the xircon feedback one causes zero production

[shell hinge]

Then you have another problem

[uneven aspen]

nah more like confusing

cause the setup breaks

no one said abotu it operating at zero

[shell hinge]

You could replace the closed loop effluent reactor with a treatment plant and still get 50% production

[uneven aspen]

75%

i accidentally did this

[uneven aspen]

1 xireffu reactor running 100% the other at 0 sewage

[somber snow]

I lost tangtang to arde, yvonne and last rite,

I wasnt going for tangtang

[uneven aspen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain schooner]

lol

[shell hinge]

Not sure how you got 75% when removing one effluent reactor halves the effluent production

[rain schooner]

this gacha system feels so bad man

[uneven aspen]

2 refiner pipe converge the sewage -> pipe split at 1st reactor

then pipe split at 2nd reactor to water treatment.

leads to 1-.5-.5 split so the 2nd reactor is operating at 50% and the first reactor at 100% so 75%

[somber snow]

Id give it 6 months or so,
Too early for me to judge,

Imho, its good, comparable to wuwa, better than og ak

[torn chasm]

Im not a moderator but please keep the gacha talk out of the factory channel

[somber snow]

Sry

[shell hinge]

That is not a closed loop and therefore not what I was discussing

[uneven aspen]

same idea the 1 sewage becomes .5-.5 so 50%.

[shell hinge]

Are you using some kind of priority flow?

[uneven aspen]

no like i said 2 refiners -> converge to 1 pipe

that pipe, splitter at both reactors and ends at water treatment

[shell hinge]

So not priority flow, at least not for the 2nd reactor

[small creek]

HC

[torn chasm]

if you use 2 refiners and split the seawage to 3 sources 2 reactors and one treatment you dont have enough sewages for the reactors, no ?

[small creek]

my wuling has never died yet

[shell hinge]

HC valley batteries?

[uneven aspen]

yup like i said 1-.5-.5 split between 2 reactors and water treatment

[somber snow]

He was talking about v4

Wuling doesnt use 5.7k power,
Unless u r rly wasteful

[shell hinge]

Looks like you just need more production then. The bug does unavoidably reduce your production by a small amount

[small creek]

Im 18/18 bro

cant get any more prod than that

[shell hinge]

Yes, this is why priority flow needs more input. Typically this is achieved by looping the xircon sewage in after the 3rd reactor

[small creek]

just the packaging unit with 4 banks being under too much stress

[shell hinge]

Where are the other 12 bats going?

[small creek]

1.5 more goes in bank (1 bank)

rest to stash

[shell hinge]

Feed batteries from depot to your thermal banks then

[atomic fiber]

I finish setting up my alluviums with new tower

[small creek]

I dont wanna waste depot slot just for that

What i did was just move 1 thermal bank from a packaging unit to another

[shell hinge]

V4 is overflowing with depot slots, are you out of them?

[small creek]

no i just dont wanna waste them

[shell hinge]

Another what?

[small creek]

packaging unit..

[somber snow]

Another packaging unit

[atomic fiber]

don't fight guys, what happened

[small creek]

4-1 to 3-2

[shell hinge]

I see

[small creek]

now the one packaging unit doesnt need to be precise

[somber snow]

Talking about packaging units

[small creek]

not fighting

[shell hinge]

Are your thermal banks set up to buffer internally now?

[vale topaz]

.... just received a weird oddity, 13 hours, no sewage clog , not even a stack of sewage at crucible and everything run normal.
crucible material from liquid xiranite and sewage run normal, no random large amount of difference.
usually after 13 hours, my sewage fluid tank will have 50-100 sewage unit.

[small creek]

They will naturally buffer yes

Packaging unit produce 6
3 thermal only use 4.5

[shell hinge]

Then that should be fine

[small creek]

if i do 6 again then no buffer and i die lmao

[atomic fiber]

did they fix the bug??? OMG

[shell hinge]

Wait, so you added an entire battery line to avoid one depot slot?

[small creek]

The battery line already existed

[atomic fiber]

depot slot?

[vale topaz]

i have 0 idea x_X
was expecting turning on water treatment again as usual due to offline bug cutting down my liquid xiranite production

[small creek]

I just used the 2nd packaging unit’s output port to connect to another bank

[shell hinge]

I'm very confused. How can you be feeding the thermal banks more batteries unless those batteries are taken away from somewhere else?

[slate plume]

im surprised too 12 hours of afk and 0 sewage clog

[shell hinge]

You stated that all your packaging units are at full capacity

[slate plume]

no announcements or anything

[somber snow]

What kind of psycho makes an additional battery line, that would likely deplete resources, just to power their factory

[small creek]

I only have 1 packaging unit at full cap

The other 2 have 1 bank and 0 bank respectively

[atomic fiber]

omg they fixed it

[upper fiber]

finally less players on NA logged in, server stress calmed down

[shell hinge]

But thermal banks are not your only battery sinks no?

Unless those battery lines were partially idle before

[atomic fiber]

i think people normally make HC in Valley then transfer them to wuling, to power wuling

[vale topaz]

uhh, i'm on asia server if you think these bugs related to server load

[small creek]

wait a second

oh shit. i just realized theres a problem with this

[somber snow]

Yes, but i think we’re strictly talking about v4 rn

[upper fiber]

how is your 2hrs report?

[atomic fiber]

isn't everyone done with v4
what you guys trying out

[small creek]

the battery line only consuming 4.5 will clog

unless i stash the extra

bro

[shell hinge]

What you need is to feed each thermal bank more than 1.5/min. Moving the thermal bank to another packaging unit does not automatically achieve this, you need to actually divert more than 1.5/min from whichever packaging unit you are using.

[small creek]

can this game be normal

[somber snow]

Hjoyn said its better to use unloaders for thermals,

Qyurii dosnt wanna waste unloaders, so he connects them directly to the units

[shell hinge]

It's possible with some priority belting, but you have to actually do that belting

[vale topaz]

i stacked xircon at warehouse before redirecting xircon production straight into battery

[somber snow]

[small creek]

Fuck that shit

I am not integrating my two lines

[upper fiber]

still dip down so not fixed yet

[shell hinge]

It takes one protocol stash to achieve this no?

[vale topaz]

at least no sewage clogged or random sewage growth, everything the same as i left them 13 hours ago

[atomic fiber]

isn't connecting thermal bank directly from packaging unit the normal? it's old things yeah?

[small creek]

if i have one more stash ill be 5.705/5.7

[shell hinge]

??

[frail trail]

scrapping my base idea cause shit's downright stupid to build

[small creek]

alright that is fucking it

im just gonna turn off some buildings

[somber snow]

Its the most basic and reliable way,

Modulating with unloaders is endgame, and completely unnecessary

[small creek]

stupid ass belt slow cant be perfect

[vale topaz]

i'm happy enough if the liquid xiranite is not randomly stolen which caused oddity in sewage surplus

[atomic fiber]

i only use unloader for thermal on wuling. because i don't produce the battery for thermal on wuling

[quasi locust]

i have one big belt converging from 3 sc valley battery production

[atomic fiber]

same

[vale topaz]

hope no more liquid xiranite randomly missing again

[somber snow]

My xiranite will deplete today, and i will have to turn off my components

Yay

[atomic fiber]

[upper fiber]

the sewage extra isn't much if 3/500, that's like 108/18000/10hours
so extra 108 for 10hrs offline

[vale topaz]

or maybe the other way around, liquid xiranite is still randomly stolen, but this time, sewage too, so their number always on par....

will have to observe again for another 10-20 hours offline

[shell hinge]

It's very easy, just do this?

[atomic fiber]

why tf you use stash in there

[upper fiber]

it isn't, the random extra sewage if my assumption was right, are those sewage you dumped by stashing facility or pipes,
they came back to your facility after daily reset

[atomic fiber]

spliter too wtf

[somber snow]

Rather than a stash, might as well just use loaders

[shell hinge]

They don't want to use unloaders

[atomic fiber]

Just connect it directly to the thermal

[somber quail]

is there a guide that shows you how to optimize the factory? mine is doodoo but I want to learn not just take existing blueprints

[rocky niche]

using stash is just additional power

[atomic fiber]

i think you need at least 1 unloader in there

[shell hinge]

You need the stash anyway, this is just an easier orientation

[somber snow]

Personally, idk,
But u can stick around in this channel, and naturally ull learn

[atomic fiber]

why stash

[rocky niche]

there might be youtube videos about this

[shell hinge]

To move batteries to depot?

[atomic fiber]

oh... without unloader

[shell hinge]

The packaging units produce more than the thermal banks consume

[vale topaz]

i dunno, before daily reset, 13 hours ago, i stashed about 20 +/- unit of sewage.
via pipe cutdown

[shell hinge]

Yes, that's the main use of protocol stashes lol

[atomic fiber]

i would rather use unloader. than paying 5 power on stash

[somber snow]

Depends if the person wants to compromise or not

But i think they have to

[upper fiber]

you don't have any extra sewage at all now? not even 2?

[shell hinge]

It's quite convenient to not have to run long belts around, especially in valley iv. Power is also 99% worthless, so 5 is not a concern

[vale topaz]

Nope

[quasi locust]

i use neither and just belt them to aic

[vale topaz]

uhh still collecting mats, i'll screenshot later

[rocky niche]

you could just yeet the batteries to stash, then belt-free transfer to depot. then connect the thermal banks directly to unloader. the logic behind is that stash has max limit, and once you hit limit, you end up clogging factory line, which stops production instead of producing more

[upper fiber]

try checking inside reactor as well, if not 50 sewage then you're lacking actually

[shell hinge]

The stash will only fill up if your depot does, so the effect is essentially the same. The stash is technically a larger buffer than depot too.

[vale topaz]

nope, 0 at curpirum refinery.
crucible is 0 because i let 3-4 unit stack of liquid xiranite there, and today, that number didn't change

usually, 0 liquid xiranite and my fluid tank got random 50-100 in 10 hours

[somber snow]

Using a powered proto stash,
Increases power from 5.7k/5.7k to 5.705k/5.7k,

he also doesnt want to use unloaders and loaders,

So lets use the AIC

[rocky niche]

the problem with your statement is that stash could only activate either belt-free transfer or storage mode. your storage cant do both.

[shell hinge]

Okay? That image uses the default belt free transfer mode

That mode will not push items to depot if depot is full

[rocky niche]

the stash transfer has cooldown, so you are betting that battery inside the stash would go to thermal bank during that cooldown

also, i dont understand why you are saying the depot will be full of battery. do you not sell those in outpost?

[shell hinge]

Stashes prioritize belting out over sending to depot

[elder thistle]

When items pass through a facility it prioritizes passing the item along instead of consuming it, so it'll only consume (transfer to depot) when the banks are full

[shell hinge]

Hence using a passthrough is a convenient way of sending only excess to depot

[elder thistle]

This applies to other facilities as well like crucibles

[rocky niche]

in a sense, you could use the facilities as belt bridges instead?

[elder thistle]

If you chain them in series, the last one gets it all until it's clogged, then only do the previous ones start consuming

[elder thistle]

Pretty much

[small creek]

uses 2 stash

[somber snow]

Use AIC,
trust me,
Itll be pretty

[shell hinge]

You can easily use 1 stash, I didn't assume your battery lines were near each other

[shell hinge]

Yup, it's pretty useful. I use it here in my xircon build

[small creek]

how do i use 1 stash for 2 battery lines that are not in any way near or accessible to each other

[elder thistle]

Like this, I can't use the space to the left because the pipe bridges block the way, so I passthrough the crucible, the bottom one fills up first

[shell hinge]

Then use two stashes? You can also priority belt into depot/aic

[somber snow]

Hmm, 10 crucibles

[vale topaz]

standard formation
normal cuprium offline bug production ( random 1 extra result )
0 sewage at fluid tank, usually ended up with 50-100 sewage unit
intentionally left small amount of liquid xiranite at crucible, the number remain the same as before logout 13 hours ago, tried this one at maxed 50 and they all gone ._.

[quasi locust]

so that's how xircon production looks when not crammed

[shell hinge]

It's a very simple problem with many solutions, just pick whichever solution you want

[small creek]

again, another stash will put me over

5.705

[shell hinge]

Then priority belt.........

[somber snow]

AIC is ur calling,
Embrace it

[vale topaz]

these pipes usually ended up full due to offline bug.
but now, remain the same as i left them

[small creek]

i love putting stuff in the pac directly when i can but its js not possible for this one

[somber snow]

Fuck

[shell hinge]

Has anyone actually experienced an effect beyond a slight slowdown in cuprium as a result of the reactor bug?

[elder thistle]

(I just realised I can use the right side but whatever this is an old design anyways )

[shell hinge]

I do not currently know of any other effect that the bug would have in practical systems

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[vale topaz]

i haven't test storing refined cuprium from refinery at protocol stash and then output them at somewhere else to begin jin/yan drink.
i tested my xiranite, and found out protocol stash can be quite buggy, so i direct feed my xiranite result into AIC / depot loader.

[shell hinge]

What bugs did you encounter with stashes?

[vale topaz]

the protocol stash bug i found was sending more stuff to the warehouse then slot available at warehouse.
i.e my xiranite output is 4, at 57996, protocol stash should only send 4 units.
but my protocol stash send 5 units.
bear in mind maybe this is caused by 2 unit of protocol stash being used to store xiranite.

[somber snow]

So the inputs clash, interesting

[quasi locust]

free xiranite?

[vale topaz]

no, 1 unit randomly stolen by stash, while online

[quasi locust]

oof

[shell hinge]

Have you verified this with nothing moving xiranite out of depot?

I've seen stashes send only some of the items inside to depot due to the depot being full, so if this is a thing then it does not happen all the time

[upper fiber]

dang 248/250 xircon eff, lost 2

[vale topaz]

haven't, but my xiranite keep depleting
real time, while playing

[copper tendon]

why does this happen?

this crucible is for water + xiranite to make liquid xiranite, i unforetunately need the sewage to pass through since i dont have space

[shell hinge]

You should verify that this occurs when the item, in your case xiranite, has zero i/o into the depot.

[upper fiber]

need prevent sewage clogging